Just a heads up it was not the Prime Ministers wife, it was a MP's wife which is a Member of Parliament which I think is kind of like a Senator for you guys.
Thank you for allowing Dr. Honda share your platform. He is by far the most ethical, compassionate, expert I have come across on YT. It’s very frustrating to hear people call all a-wholes narcissistic when they’re not, and allowing Dr. Honda explain it on your channel is sooo important. Dr. Honda educates his viewers about mental health in a very respectful and honorable way.
Yay! Gotta love a crossover with Dr. Honda. I thought this was just going to be a reaction to one of his videos from the thumbnail and was pleasantly surprised to see it’s an actual interview.
I was stalked by a woman-who “fell in love with me”- for nearly six years. I’m still recovering. The stress certainly messed my mental health and exacted a hefty price on my physical wellbeing, as well.
I had a dude who gaslighted me for just under two years, it was great then he isolated me te tried to mkultra me but hg tudour woke me up and freedom prevails, peace and quiet also, epicness, these stalker types and delissioals and weird behaviour, the word needs reset button imo
So sorry to hear this. The good thing about this show is it brought awareness to men experiencing harassment/abuse and I think I read somewhere that after this tv show went viral, report of harassment/abuse to authorities had skyrocketed to 57% or something.
On the legal side, I'm not so sure she could make any claims of defamation being she "claims" she hasn't watched the Netflix series. How does she know all of the "lies" and the betrayal if she hasn't seen it! I believe she has watched it.
When she mentions how normal it is for her to have 6 emails and 4 phones.... then in the show it shows her drawer full of burner phones... very odd that she hasn't watched it.
YESS! I’ve been dying for someone to bring dr Honda on to discuss this incredibly nuanced and serious topic. So glad to see this! Edit: just realized it was your video I commented on to look into him, I’m definitely not the reason you did but glad that others were commenting the same that you did see!
If you watched the Piers Morgan show it was said that the show portrays parts of her too well and people already figured out it was her. That’s why she came forward.
@@Swansong321how does she do that when she insists she neever watched the show? He's 💯 correct. If I had never seen the show and someone asked me questions about it, I certainly couldn't answer questions if I'd never seen it.
Let's remember what stalking behaviour does to people's mental and physical health. I'm more worried for her victims. This woman should be monitored daily. She is a huge threat to people. The safe place for us is her locked up. If this was a male do you think it would get this kind of attension. Now she's being offered money for her story. If she gets money it should go to her victims for treatment.
I'm hoping the grifter law firm offering to act pro bono manage to get her some cash off Netflix. She only has to get 16k and she loses all her welfare benefits. Bet they won't be around to help manage her finances for her after that and it will serve her right.
i felt from interview she was doing it for the money ., i wouldn't matter to me if online sleuths found out who i was i would not be doing interviews , genuinely believe if she did do this there will be a history of more victims .somewhere .
As long as she's getting attention, it's all the same to her. She just craves attention so badly that OF COURSE she was going to soak up the spotlight.
Once she was outted she had more negative attention than anyone would want. There's his truth her truth and the real truth is somewhere in between. Regardless of how much of this is true Netflix and Gad were wrong to make this show and so thinly veil her privacy. By him playing himself it would have been a dead giveaway who she is through everyone who knew them. Fiona's level of sanity should not figure into her privacy being breached especially for monetary gain for others.
@ryan131rm That's not what I said - please re read my post. Gad and Netflix start the show by saying this is a TRUE story. Then Gad says he changed the names and certain places to protect the privacy of others. He then proceeds to play himself so anyone who knew him would instantly know who, what and where he was talking about. Clearly neither he nor Netflix gave two shakes about protecting anyone or anything. This to me is a lie. Had he used real names and real places it would have been truthful. So if they played fast and loose with this "truth" what other truths are now suspect ?? They cast doubt on their own credibility. If you're going to tell a truth and potentially damage someone's reputation you better make DA*M sure you crossed all your "T's" and dotted all your "I's". For instance where is Fiona's arrest records - public records and yet no one can locate them. One must be careful when weaponizing the truth.
Especially considering that psycho woman who kept interrupting!!!! There were so many comments speculating if she was on drugs ... cocaine in particular.
Ohmygosh! This is the guy I was recommending! 😂 he did the best commentary and figured out Richard was SA from the way he acted before it was revealed in the show. He spotted everything before it was revealed. He's really good!
Having been in a 14 year marriage with a narcissist and now free for nearly 5 years (I left him) I've seen the Netflix show and the Piers interview. It is uncanny to see a familiar pattern with my ex and Fiona. Scary really! Always the victim and always better than anyone else, far cleverer than anyone could ever imagine and the entitlement they think they deserve! They are dangerous, delusional souls. Help us all!!!
She tried to explain that she did ordinary degree which is unclassified. He kept going on so she thought he ment units which why would you remember that after over 30 years.
I have a friend who is very like 'Martha' both on the show and in the interview, and she has been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. It can be very difficult being her friend. She does not read the room, her mood swings are extreme and often violent, and she sees offense everywhere. Then she turns on a dime and is the most pleasant person you could meet. She desperately wants friends but doesn't trust them. I would hate to be plagued by such an awful illness. It must be daily torment.
Dr Kirk Honda is correct about everything. When you yourself experience a Martha in your life, you stop having empathy for them, it's really really hard to feel empathetic towards them. I am in awe that Richard does hold empathy towards her, I wish I could do the same.
I’m a huge fan of Dr. Honda. I love and admire his professional perspective on many things. Even if I don’t agree with him at times, he always seems to make common sense of very intricate psychological issues. I’m so glad he was invited on the Andy’s show. I hope this lady get the help she needs.
I think people should also talk about the mental state of the people who went looking for her Tweets to share. That is not normal at all. I watched the show and it never even crossed my mind to look her up.
In this day it’s perfectly normal & goes on every day! They’re like private eyes seeing if they can can find out who the people are doing what they’re doing. Sorta like a game to them to see who can find them first. Guess they don’t have anything better to do lol
Absolutely. I binge watched the show and found it riveting. Did I then go on social media to hunt down the real Martha? Never even occurred to me to do so. There are some sick people out there. I'm becoming bored with the whole thing now. I'm moving on to Bridgerton!
Glad you are addressing this Andy - when I saw her on the PM show I had grave concerns about her mental health and how she might cope with this media attention and I expressed my worries.
Laura Wray’s husband was MP not PM. The surname Fiona used to go under in Scotland is Muir, several articles written about her stalking Laura & husband. Fiona even called CPS on them. She also stalked another gov official as well. I believe her nephew (last name Muir) has come forward to say she’s not well at all.
But they may not come forwards cos it could start all over again. The best thing I would recommend is staying low as the saying goes ‘out of sight out of mind’. X
DBT has been shown to put narcissism, BPD and other treatment resistant personality disorders into remission, so that's not true. What is true is most won't seek or lean into the help because the disorder prevents them from even seeing that there's a need for change because they're already “perfect”.
She is calculating and very smart. She has some rage issues, no doubt from her childhood. Issues that she has gotten better at keeping in check. That's probably less true with her obsessions but obsessions can be concealed, as long as her behavior stays within the social norms. Whatever diagnosis is secondary to how she manages it. If she has insight on to her own behavior then I'm not worried about Martha. She's not a narcissist. It's a different motivation and pay off. More likely Borderline Personality Disorder & Depression. She likely feels at her best when she is researching people. If afforded more of a like minded community she could have avoided lots of trauma. I hope something positive comes from this story.
I was staked by my ex. It got to a serious point wer I was in fear for my life I got an injunction and family moved in with me to keep him away. I would wake in the night and he would be beside my bed with a knife. Some real scary stuff happened and now it causes me ptsd certain things can trigger it. Yes they need help but they do so much damage to their victims
I agree with Dr Honda as working with adults for 20 years personality disorders are most complex. Not severe enough to not have capacity or be in crisis and detained. But generally stuck in an inability to move on and engage in support and therapy ❤
I'm so glad I found Dr. Kirk bc of this whole debacle. His insight is very much appreciated on many subjects. Thanks for being a great psychologist and person, Dr. Kirk!
It's true! I catch my pinky finger sticking out from time to time when I'm drinking and I'm completely 🤯 usually I hide it before anybody notices me doing it.
I was with my ex for 13 years and when he cheated on me he decided it was because I cheated first and then he started stalking me even though he had a new girlfriend. Everywhere I went he would ride by on his motorcycle and I don't know how he found me. But I still can't hear a 4-stroke go by and not get anxiety
Apparently people did accuse and go after a writer and they've all been reported to the police, which is exactly what Fiona would have done unless she wanted the spotlight. Apparently everyone in the industry knows exactly who the writer is.
When your narcissism is so bad they make a globally famous show about you. Imagine the first conversation with the therapist: “so when did you suspect you might have narcissism ?”
I read an article this morning where Gadd, stated this was “based on a true story” and he used the words, parts were fictionalized. After the interview you had with Piers Morgan and the ride psycho lady there, I was surprised to see that this morning. He also said that they changed the identity enough that the woman likely would not recognize herself. Yet how many stalkers would one guy have!?!😂 I think she’d know if it was the guy she stalked. Apparently people are after Terri from the show as well, according to this story I read. Personally I think she is the real Martha. But, I do think Netflix should have done more to protect her, as well as the character Terri, who is trans and could be in danger.
Yes she does, but it's not working very well. My sister has been in the system for years and has only been sectioned when she's become EXTREMELY dangerous to herself and others by proxy. Often times, she stops taking her medication and dismisses mental health care. If you're deemed to have mental capacity, there's not a lot anyone can do
As someone who is dealing with a stalker, I feel they should be called out, NO OTHER PERSON should be subjected to the harm that a stalker causes and it will deter future stalking incidents because they can be exposed for their horrible and harmful choices. Healthy coping skills is a good thing and providing those is a good strategy. Stalking is a preventative problem I believe. Real consequences are effective. If you don’t want the results, then don’t make the choices that lead to them. Stalkers are also notorious for lying and denying the conscience choices they make. 😔😔😔
Jessica Dunning did a brillant job on her role as Martha. Chapeau! I hope she will be highly demanded after that breathtaking show. She has deserved it. Also Richard Gadd performed brilliantly. I'm not sure if it is easy to play oneself, although it was you yourself who made those scaring experiences.
If you search NHS UK employment you will see that it’s not without issues, but the system is only breaking because it’s so underfunded, they are all brill.
Be so careful folks if you are ever in a stalking situation. ...I was numerous years ago , and it took for that individual to dumbly threaten a sitting Judge!! Guess what NEVER heard from that person again...Thank God❤.
Not Prime Minister, it was an MP... Member of Parliament - this would be all over the news in the UK if it was the Prime Minister's wife being stalked...
She pulled the Streisand Effect out when she did that interview. I used to have a friend like her, not as bad, her mother was worse, but yeah, that interview reminded me of her sooo much. I hope everyone is olay and heals from this, it looks like everyone involved suffered 😑
Stalkers know the harm they are causing, that’s why they deny and lie. They are fully aware of the damage they do and will continue, even if they get caught and are now faced with their own behavior. They’re desperate, delusional, and need to be punished. The innocent folks who get abused by these people have rights too. All stalkers are ‘victims’, especially of themselves.
I have not heard any experts suggest the possibility of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) or Other Specified Dissociative Disorder (OSDD). As a specialist in treating dissociative conditions, I observed several indicators during her interview suggesting this diagnosis could be possible. Most with these conditions use the plural "we" instead of "I." This was evident when she stated, "We were congratulating him on his show," and "We were trying to encourage him because with the..." - both instances occurring in contexts that typically warrant singular pronouns. Additionally, switches between alters might manifest as incongruent emotional expressions or sudden shifts in personality. We observed this sudden, incongruent emotional shift during the interview when she laughed and immediately shifted to a still facial expression. Also, her portrayal in the series displayed sudden, extreme shifts that were uncharacteristic and shocking like when she suddenly became rageful and other times when she was child-like. In cases of DID and OSDD, we may see inconsistencies in skill levels such as reading, writing, and spelling as they shift between alters, especially when shifting to a child alter. This phenomenon was noted in the series when referring to her spelling. Finally, we see the portrayal of her being in an unresponsive, dissociated state at a bus stop which is congruent with dissociative conditions. Overall, her behavior during the interview and the portrayal in the series struck me as potentially indicative of DID or OSDD. Although this specific case portrays harmful behavior, it should not be generalized to all individuals diagnosed with DID or OSDD. The problematic stigma and stereotype often depicted in media of DID or OSDD involving dangerous alters is inaccurate and harmful.
She had some good points when she was calm, I agreed with her about artistic license. However her unruly behaviour stopped her message getting through. She perhaps was on some kind of medication or alcohol.
@@mymai5859 she was wrong though. They didn’t say artistic license, they said true story. And she changed her attitude when she got to Tatum. All that I see you business, she thought he was going to slide in there and help her out. Out of all the men though Andy had me giggling at his facial expressions the whole time. 😂
Stalking is dangerous, criminal behaviour, she needs to be held accountable. The majority of people who berate Donny Dunn for giving her a cup of tea (encouraging her) are falling into the same trap of feeling sorry for her now. Stalkers are dangerous! I don’t rate this therapist; NPD cannot be fixed.
@@wildmeadows8495tried to watch that. It’s from 3 years ago, and the comments were really disturbing. People felt so sorry for Meghan and believed that she had been mistreated in the UK. Some couldn’t understand that we have such strong feelings about our Monarch in the UK. I fear a lot of Americans still confuse Royalty with celebrity, which is understandable if they have never been to Europe and seen and experienced the ancient culture and architecture here.
@@ibme6073 So many channels in the US are now exposing the Markle’s lies and grifts especially after the South Park episode. Me - I have a soft spot for the Monarchy, but understand the colonialism complaints.
I like how he offers a different perspective on this issue. People with disorders and mental health issues didn't choose this, they suffer, they are also victims and most times they don't have resources available to address these issues even if they have the desire to. Many of these issues stem from childhood and need to be recognised and tended to already then. It's a sad and unfair scenario for all parties.
I loooooove Dr. Honda. I have barely Seen such a Passionate, Empathie, caring professional. His point of views as a Professional are impeccable and really impressive. I trust a lot on his opinion. Thanks Dr Honda, and take care of yourself, because you deserve it. You really, really do. ❤
I was really confused after clicking on the thumbnail, thought it was going to be Psychology in Seattle's channel for some reason and my brain couldn't comprehend how Andy was there lol. Time for coffee...
I had a girl in my life like this for many years they really mess with your life and even when you think you cut them out for good come back into it again in ways you wouldn't even think of where you feel out of control they copy your style intrests, go after your friends, relationships, you childrens lives and they gas light you and everyone around you into thinking they are innocent.
If Fiona Harvey truly appeared in a Borough of London Court, then she would've been psychologically tested for EVERY type of personality disorder known to mankind, way before being sentenced for stalking. Absolutely anything to help her defense in a psychological manner would've been considered. If she was imprisoned (as I highly suspect) it was because she was considered criminally responsible throughput the length of her crimes and the thousands of pieces of admitted evidence pointed firmly right back at her. 😊
I read that Fiona Harvey's nephew stated that she was imprisoned for four months in regard to a previous stalking conviction and used her other surname, Muir, which she'd dropped, so the plot thickens, as the old saying goes! 🧐
If she hadn't come forward and identified herself, nobody would have known the real person behind Martha. She chose for it to happen; she could have remained anonymous and not verified her identity, leaving people to guess. Perhaps she has her own story to tell, and maybe the series was only partly true for cinematic purposes. Who knows? Maybe she wants to share her side of the story and believes that some people might sympathize with her.
Thank you for this. I am seeing a lot of people try to armchair diagnose Martha with BPD... and as someone with BPD; I do not agree with this. There are traits that overlap BPD and NPD, which is why they are both cluster B personality disorders; but again, as someone with BPD and as someone who was stalked for over 3 years... the way Martha behaved is not the way we behave. There is something seriously disturbing about martha. If she does have NPD, she may have other comorbidities along with it. As someone with BPD, peolle like Martha/Fiona terrify me.
I recommend HG Tudor series. People like Fiona (NPD) take what they use from therapy to further manipulate. Edit to add: she will NOT get intense therapy on NHS, she needs to be sectioned for that. Fingers crossed 🤞
Harry says the click of camera s trigger him then takes up with a woman who can’t live without cameras? Should we not let them in the public eye because they are ill? Using your same logic??
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Just a heads up it was not the Prime Ministers wife, it was a MP's wife which is a Member of Parliament which I think is kind of like a Senator for you guys.
Yipe it was an MP wife , she caused that MP all sorts of issues and his wife .ALLEDGEDLY [need to keep myself right)
Interesting. How very tolerant?! It sounds like there are problems or lack of stalking laws over, just like over here. 🤔
this would be huge if it was the prime minister
Yeah, Americans covering UK cases without a UK perspective always get something wrong 😂
It was also Donald Dewar who was Scotlands first minister.
Thank you for allowing Dr. Honda share your platform. He is by far the most ethical, compassionate, expert I have come across on YT. It’s very frustrating to hear people call all a-wholes narcissistic when they’re not, and allowing Dr. Honda explain it on your channel is sooo important. Dr. Honda educates his viewers about mental health in a very respectful and honorable way.
I know, right? 👏👏👏 Dr. Honda!
Yay! Gotta love a crossover with Dr. Honda. I thought this was just going to be a reaction to one of his videos from the thumbnail and was pleasantly surprised to see it’s an actual interview.
Me tooooo
I actually think Dr. Honda does not want to cover this. He hasnt really jumped on this and done a lot of analysis on this. Only one I believe.
I was stalked by a woman-who “fell in love with me”- for nearly six years. I’m still recovering. The stress certainly messed my mental health and exacted a hefty price on my physical wellbeing, as well.
I had a dude who gaslighted me for just under two years, it was great then he isolated me te tried to mkultra me but hg tudour woke me up and freedom prevails, peace and quiet also, epicness, these stalker types and delissioals and weird behaviour, the word needs reset button imo
That must be terrifying to go through. I hope you're doing well with healing
Sorry to hear that, i hope you are coping now, not a nice situation to go through..
So sorry to hear this. The good thing about this show is it brought awareness to men experiencing harassment/abuse and I think I read somewhere that after this tv show went viral, report of harassment/abuse to authorities had skyrocketed to 57% or something.
I’m so sorry !! I can’t even imagine what you’ve gone through and I hope youve gotten the support you deserve!!
I'm freaking out, it's Dr. Kirk Honda!!!! Yay! 🎉
On the legal side, I'm not so sure she could make any claims of defamation being she "claims" she hasn't watched the Netflix series. How does she know all of the "lies" and the betrayal if she hasn't seen it! I believe she has watched it.
When she mentions how normal it is for her to have 6 emails and 4 phones.... then in the show it shows her drawer full of burner phones... very odd that she hasn't watched it.
YESS! I’ve been dying for someone to bring dr Honda on to discuss this incredibly nuanced and serious topic. So glad to see this!
Edit: just realized it was your video I commented on to look into him, I’m definitely not the reason you did but glad that others were commenting the same that you did see!
This man is talking sense !! She shouldn't have identified herself.
Yep. The attention she gets from it overrides the consequences.
The action of a true narcissist.
If you watched the Piers Morgan show it was said that the show portrays parts of her too well and people already figured out it was her. That’s why she came forward.
Why shouldn't she have a right to reply...to correct issues that she feels are wrong?
@@Swansong321 Absolutely, unfortunately for her she’s a terrible liar, but clever and manipulative with it.
A dangerous combination indeed.
@@Swansong321how does she do that when she insists she neever watched the show?
He's 💯 correct. If I had never seen the show and someone asked me questions about it, I certainly couldn't answer questions if I'd never seen it.
Let's remember what stalking behaviour does to people's mental and physical health. I'm more worried for her victims. This woman should be monitored daily. She is a huge threat to people. The safe place for us is her locked up. If this was a male do you think it would get this kind of attension. Now she's being offered money for her story. If she gets money it should go to her victims for treatment.
I'm hoping the grifter law firm offering to act pro bono manage to get her some cash off Netflix. She only has to get 16k and she loses all her welfare benefits. Bet they won't be around to help manage her finances for her after that and it will serve her right.
i felt from interview she was doing it for the money ., i wouldn't matter to me if online sleuths found out who i was i would not be doing interviews , genuinely believe if she did do this there will be a history of more victims .somewhere .
100% 🎯 This would never get the same attention if it was done by a man. Stalking ain't no joke for the ones being stalked/harassed.
But more men are stalkers than women @@xxrachxx1704
Yes!
Fiona Harvey should never had drawn attention to herself! It only solidified the truth about her!
This. Yes
As long as she's getting attention, it's all the same to her. She just craves attention so badly that OF COURSE she was going to soak up the spotlight.
Once she was outted she had more negative attention than anyone would want. There's his truth her truth and the real truth is somewhere in between. Regardless of how much of this is true Netflix and Gad were wrong to make this show and so thinly veil her privacy. By him playing himself it would have been a dead giveaway who she is through everyone who knew them. Fiona's level of sanity should not figure into her privacy being breached especially for monetary gain for others.
@@susanelrawi7080 this implies he isn't allowed to tell his own story because it might hurt the person who caused it
@ryan131rm That's not what I said - please re read my post. Gad and Netflix start the show by saying this is a TRUE story. Then Gad says he changed the names and certain places to protect the privacy of others. He then proceeds to play himself so anyone who knew him would instantly know who, what and where he was talking about. Clearly neither he nor Netflix gave two shakes about protecting anyone or anything. This to me is a lie. Had he used real names and real places it would have been truthful. So if they played fast and loose with this "truth" what other truths are now suspect ?? They cast doubt on their own credibility. If you're going to tell a truth and potentially damage someone's reputation you better make DA*M sure you crossed all your "T's" and dotted all your "I's". For instance where is Fiona's arrest records - public records and yet no one can locate them. One must be careful when weaponizing the truth.
You did very good on Piers Morgan show the other day. We are very proud! 🎉😊
So so proud
Yessss, even commented 😊
I'm sorry you had to put up with the crazy woman
Especially considering that psycho woman who kept interrupting!!!! There were so many comments speculating if she was on drugs ... cocaine in particular.
@@melfreemansOr at the very least a ton of vodka!
Ohmygosh! This is the guy I was recommending! 😂 he did the best commentary and figured out Richard was SA from the way he acted before it was revealed in the show. He spotted everything before it was revealed. He's really good!
So happy for you for achieving the interview with Piers. I love when you put up the split screen. Great job! 🎉
Having been in a 14 year marriage with a narcissist and now free for nearly 5 years (I left him) I've seen the Netflix show and the Piers interview. It is uncanny to see a familiar pattern with my ex and Fiona. Scary really! Always the victim and always better than anyone else, far cleverer than anyone could ever imagine and the entitlement they think they deserve! They are dangerous, delusional souls. Help us all!!!
"I was top of the class I have a photographic memory.."
What grades did you get?
"I can't remember"
😂😂she got mad about him asking multiple times about the 41,000 emails too
Haha didn't she also say something like: except for math and science. What?? That is a wild photographic memory. 😂
She tried to explain that she did ordinary degree which is unclassified. He kept going on so she thought he ment units which why would you remember that after over 30 years.
Maybe you should listen to that again. 🤣
@@babs66 either way she clearly lied throughout the whole interview
I have a friend who is very like 'Martha' both on the show and in the interview, and she has been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. It can be very difficult being her friend. She does not read the room, her mood swings are extreme and often violent, and she sees offense everywhere. Then she turns on a dime and is the most pleasant person you could meet. She desperately wants friends but doesn't trust them. I would hate to be plagued by such an awful illness. It must be daily torment.
Dr Kirk Honda is correct about everything. When you yourself experience a Martha in your life, you stop having empathy for them, it's really really hard to feel empathetic towards them. I am in awe that Richard does hold empathy towards her, I wish I could do the same.
Thanks for having Dr. Honda on the show Andy ❤
Andy you did great on the Piers Morgan show but that woman!?!?! Wow, I can see how it would hard to keep it together.
She is called shouty shola by name 😂
It's a shame that Iman couldn't control herself. If anyone needed cancelling it's this woman
@@jandavid5833shouty is not her, she’s iman but same sort of foolishness yes
@jandavid5833 that's a different lady
I’m a huge fan of Dr. Honda. I love and admire his professional perspective on many things. Even if I don’t agree with him at times, he always seems to make common sense of very intricate psychological issues. I’m so glad he was invited on the Andy’s show. I hope this lady get the help she needs.
I love Dr. Honda’s channel. Thank you for having him!
Yeeesss, I'm so happy to see Dr. Kirk Honda here. LOVE THIS!
Kirk Honda’s content has taught me so much. I’m so glad you had him as a guest!
I think people should also talk about the mental state of the people who went looking for her Tweets to share. That is not normal at all. I watched the show and it never even crossed my mind to look her up.
In this day it’s perfectly normal & goes on every day! They’re like private eyes seeing if they can can find out who the people are doing what they’re doing. Sorta like a game to them to see who can find them first. Guess they don’t have anything better to do lol
obv just losers with no jobs...studies ...exams... friends bills ...they're REALLY hating on her but need to look after themselves irl!🙄
@@Bhoneyb355but it’s not a game, that’s the thing. It’s not a game at all.
@@Treeangel45 yeah I know. People are really just plain mean in the world! I don’t understand people anymore 🥲
Absolutely. I binge watched the show and found it riveting. Did I then go on social media to hunt down the real Martha? Never even occurred to me to do so. There are some sick people out there. I'm becoming bored with the whole thing now. I'm moving on to Bridgerton!
Andy so impressed by how you did on Piers and love Dr. Honda! Great interview!
Glad you are addressing this Andy - when I saw her on the PM show I had grave concerns about her mental health and how she might cope with this media attention and I expressed my worries.
Laura Wray’s husband was MP not PM. The surname Fiona used to go under in Scotland is Muir, several articles written about her stalking Laura & husband. Fiona even called CPS on them. She also stalked another gov official as well.
I believe her nephew (last name Muir) has come forward to say she’s not well at all.
I heard that was a joke. He wasn't the nephew.
I bet there will be more victims than ex boyfriends coming forward
But they may not come forwards cos it could start all over again.
The best thing I would recommend is staying low as the saying goes ‘out of sight out of mind’. X
Dr. Honda always brings such amazing analysis to mental health topic 🙌🏽
You can’t help a narcissist, they are what they are. They make everyone around them suffer. There is no pill, no therapy, no fix.
100% right ✅
DBT has been shown to put narcissism, BPD and other treatment resistant personality disorders into remission, so that's not true. What is true is most won't seek or lean into the help because the disorder prevents them from even seeing that there's a need for change because they're already “perfect”.
@@bobbie-jenehenderson7824 love your profile pic. 😻
It is in hard drive- cannot be reprogrammed.
@@bobbie-jenehenderson7824 In reality they know they're not perfect. Far from it. But reality is WRONG! That's how they think.
Hi Andy thank you for a fantastic interview with piers Morgan you did fantastic
Stalking is more in line with Borderline personality disorder than narcissistic personality disorder with traits belonging to both disorders.
She is calculating and very smart. She has some rage issues, no doubt from her childhood. Issues that she has gotten better at keeping in check. That's probably less true with her obsessions but obsessions can be concealed, as long as her behavior stays within the social norms.
Whatever diagnosis is secondary to how she manages it. If she has insight on to her own behavior then I'm not worried about Martha.
She's not a narcissist. It's a different motivation and pay off. More likely Borderline Personality Disorder & Depression.
She likely feels at her best when she is researching people. If afforded more of a like minded community she could have avoided lots of trauma.
I hope something positive comes from this story.
I like that Andy did this video. It shows him to be a true journalist and have the ability to be non-bias. Great works!
The way he starts describing a "stalkers" diagnosis seems like the same woman that was on the piers Morgan panel you were on 😬
Be careful!! For someone that doesn't watch TV or look at the internet, she may see this and start stalking you!!
They’re both Americans. She’s all the way in the UK. She would most likely stalk Piers Morgan next and not them.
Dr. Honda, I'm so happy to see you here! ❤❤❤
My girlfriend thinks I’m a stalker,well she’s not exactly my girlfriend yet.😂
If you're stalking, she's your gf now. 😆
Wow
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😂🤣😅hmmmmmmm. You sure your not stalking her. 😂🤣
I was staked by my ex. It got to a serious point wer I was in fear for my life I got an injunction and family moved in with me to keep him away. I would wake in the night and he would be beside my bed with a knife. Some real scary stuff happened and now it causes me ptsd certain things can trigger it. Yes they need help but they do so much damage to their victims
I had a similar experience.
I agree with Dr Honda as working with adults for 20 years personality disorders are most complex. Not severe enough to not have capacity or be in crisis and detained. But generally stuck in an inability to move on and engage in support and therapy ❤
Damn my sis had a stalker it was so bad the police were involved.. to the point where the fam was being stalk.... and he would try to enter our house.
Narcissistic people seem always to portray themselves as victims, Harry and Meg spring to mind as almost identical personalities?
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Yes
Everyone else is at fault and they are the victim. See that's what I said she wanted all the attention, she thrives on it.
So excited to watch this video especially with this topic!
I loved that series though I was haunted by episode four! 😮
Me too it was horrible
Andy.
Great choice for a commentator.
Lights years better than your typical co-hosts.
This makes you look legit.
Just a quick note mp isnt prime minister, its an elected official for each county of britain. Just wanted to correct that
I'm so glad I found Dr. Kirk bc of this whole debacle. His insight is very much appreciated on many subjects. Thanks for being a great psychologist and person, Dr. Kirk!
I never expected my two favourite but very different you tubers would do a video together 😂
She has the capacity to recognize right from wrong.
100%
Excellent interview. Dr was sensitive and compassionate and shared good information on treatment
Here's the deal, anybody that drinks water like Fiona does, with her pinky finger stuck out, is completely off their rocker.
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The Association of Upper Crust Professional Tea-Drinkers takes great offence at this comment, have at you!
@@harryhill8543 Tea and water, two different things.
It's true! I catch my pinky finger sticking out from time to time when I'm drinking and I'm completely 🤯 usually I hide it before anybody notices me doing it.
@@SpaceFrawg Not by much according to ChatGPT, "Typically, tea is almost entirely water, usually over 99%".
Congratulations on being on Piers Morgan show 🎉🥳
She doesn't have to afford therapy. It's free on the NHS
@jtrastan4607 Unfortunately only if you're prepared to waitva few years.
I was with my ex for 13 years and when he cheated on me he decided it was because I cheated first and then he started stalking me even though he had a new girlfriend. Everywhere I went he would ride by on his motorcycle and I don't know how he found me. But I still can't hear a 4-stroke go by and not get anxiety
Maybe you shouldn’t have ruined the relationship and trust in the first place.
@@woowah32wtf 😳
@@lyndseyculver3057 True though, isn’t it.
Breaks the bond and trust then blames her partner.
You reap what you sow.
@woowah32 she didn't say she broke her partners trust , she said he cheated and then blamed her. Pos 💚✌️
@woowah32 You can't read can you.
I was more disturbed by Darrien’s behavior than Martha’s, But there seems to be 1000 times more attention on Martha. Am I missing something?
Yes. Martha/Fiona stalked him?
Apparently people did accuse and go after a writer and they've all been reported to the police, which is exactly what Fiona would have done unless she wanted the spotlight. Apparently everyone in the industry knows exactly who the writer is.
He went to her house and looked in her windows ! He encouraged the relationship ? Why ?
Both of them are flawed but the writter at least now owns up to their actions the good, bad, and the ugly. However, Fiona does not.
@@sharfalor4244very interesting…. Sounds guilty. I’m sure if Fiona had that influence/mindset she would do the same
When your narcissism is so bad they make a globally famous show about you.
Imagine the first conversation with the therapist: “so when did you suspect you might have narcissism ?”
Every time I see this lady, I can only think of Mad TV’s Mrs. Swan.
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I knew there was something familiar with her👍. I've watched a lot of mad tv lately....and who doesn't love Stuart😂😂😅😅😂
I would like the Behavouri Panel boys to look at the interview.
Oh, most absolutely!
@@hannahreynolds7611@hannahreynolds7611 You must have been watching a different show to me. Not once did I hear them say that.
Behaviour Panel's video was posted today. Long but really good.
@@Speedmo Yeah I watched thank you x
Saw u on the Piers Morgan show , you had the patience of a Saint when that woman kept interrupting you and the other members of the panel!!
Im so glad to see Dr. Honda on here! 🎉❤
I love Dr Honda, really worth watching his stuff. Great guest.
I read an article this morning where Gadd, stated this was “based on a true story” and he used the words, parts were fictionalized. After the interview you had with Piers Morgan and the ride psycho lady there, I was surprised to see that this morning. He also said that they changed the identity enough that the woman likely would not recognize herself. Yet how many stalkers would one guy have!?!😂 I think she’d know if it was the guy she stalked. Apparently people are after Terri from the show as well, according to this story I read. Personally I think she is the real Martha. But, I do think Netflix should have done more to protect her, as well as the character Terri, who is trans and could be in danger.
she lives in the UK, we have the NHS so she does have accsess to free mental health care, if she wishs to use it that is
There's a very long waiting list.
Yes she does, but it's not working very well. My sister has been in the system for years and has only been sectioned when she's become EXTREMELY dangerous to herself and others by proxy. Often times, she stops taking her medication and dismisses mental health care. If you're deemed to have mental capacity, there's not a lot anyone can do
As someone who is dealing with a stalker, I feel they should be called out, NO OTHER PERSON should be subjected to the harm that a stalker causes and it will deter future stalking incidents because they can be exposed for their horrible and harmful choices. Healthy coping skills is a good thing and providing those is a good strategy. Stalking is a preventative problem I believe. Real consequences are effective. If you don’t want the results, then don’t make the choices that lead to them. Stalkers are also notorious for lying and denying the conscience choices they make. 😔😔😔
Jessica Dunning did a brillant job on her role as Martha. Chapeau! I hope she will be highly demanded after that breathtaking show. She has deserved it. Also Richard Gadd performed brilliantly. I'm not sure if it is easy to play oneself, although it was you yourself who made those scaring experiences.
I love love love Dr Honda!! Been listening to Psychology in Seattle for years, I’ve learned so much.
In england you dont have to pay for medical things, including therapy... so the help is there for free if she wants it
If you search NHS UK employment you will see that it’s not without issues, but the system is only breaking because it’s so underfunded, they are all brill.
Our tax money goes into the NHS, so we don't pay medical bills after treatment like America and other countries.
Be so careful folks if you are ever in a stalking situation. ...I was numerous years ago , and it took for that individual to dumbly threaten a sitting Judge!! Guess what NEVER heard from that person again...Thank God❤.
Love Dr Kirk! Great to see your collab
Not Prime Minister, it was an MP... Member of Parliament - this would be all over the news in the UK if it was the Prime Minister's wife being stalked...
She pulled the Streisand Effect out when she did that interview.
I used to have a friend like her, not as bad, her mother was worse, but yeah, that interview reminded me of her sooo much.
I hope everyone is olay and heals from this, it looks like everyone involved suffered 😑
Omgggg Dr Honda! Hes my absolute favorite
Stalkers know the harm they are causing, that’s why they deny and lie. They are fully aware of the damage they do and will continue, even if they get caught and are now faced with their own behavior. They’re desperate, delusional, and need to be punished. The innocent folks who get abused by these people have rights too. All stalkers are ‘victims’, especially of themselves.
I have not heard any experts suggest the possibility of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) or Other Specified Dissociative Disorder (OSDD). As a specialist in treating dissociative conditions, I observed several indicators during her interview suggesting this diagnosis could be possible. Most with these conditions use the plural "we" instead of "I." This was evident when she stated, "We were congratulating him on his show," and "We were trying to encourage him because with the..." - both instances occurring in contexts that typically warrant singular pronouns. Additionally, switches between alters might manifest as incongruent emotional expressions or sudden shifts in personality. We observed this sudden, incongruent emotional shift during the interview when she laughed and immediately shifted to a still facial expression. Also, her portrayal in the series displayed sudden, extreme shifts that were uncharacteristic and shocking like when she suddenly became rageful and other times when she was child-like. In cases of DID and OSDD, we may see inconsistencies in skill levels such as reading, writing, and spelling as they shift between alters, especially when shifting to a child alter. This phenomenon was noted in the series when referring to her spelling. Finally, we see the portrayal of her being in an unresponsive, dissociated state at a bus stop which is congruent with dissociative conditions. Overall, her behavior during the interview and the portrayal in the series struck me as potentially indicative of DID or OSDD. Although this specific case portrays harmful behavior, it should not be generalized to all individuals diagnosed with DID or OSDD. The problematic stigma and stereotype often depicted in media of DID or OSDD involving dangerous alters is inaccurate and harmful.
Interesting
Piers tweeted today about Fiona being in cash war over appearance fee “Get an Agent “!! $250 vs wants $1m 😮
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We LOVE Dr Kirk 💐
I appreciate this interview Andy. Now y’all talk about that narcissist who talked over y’all on Piers show.
She had some good points when she was calm, I agreed with her about artistic license. However her unruly behaviour stopped her message getting through. She perhaps was on some kind of medication or alcohol.
@@mymai5859 she was wrong though. They didn’t say artistic license, they said true story. And she changed her attitude when she got to Tatum. All that I see you business, she thought he was going to slide in there and help her out.
Out of all the men though Andy had me giggling at his facial expressions the whole time. 😂
I watch Dr Honda often! Great guest
I think the woman that was on the Piers Morgan panel is much crazier than Fiona!
that was fiona
Stalking is dangerous, criminal behaviour, she needs to be held accountable. The majority of people who berate Donny Dunn for giving her a cup of tea (encouraging her) are falling into the same trap of feeling sorry for her now. Stalkers are dangerous! I don’t rate this therapist; NPD cannot be fixed.
Maybe he could give his views on Megan Markle and her narcissism?
Her narcissism is is out of control
WHY BRING MEGHAN MARKLE INTO THIS YOU MUST HAVE SOME SORT OF HATE OBSESSION 🤔
He has some videos on the Oprah interview.
@@wildmeadows8495tried to watch that. It’s from 3 years ago, and the comments were really disturbing. People felt so sorry for Meghan and believed that she had been mistreated in the UK. Some couldn’t understand that we have such strong feelings about our Monarch in the UK. I fear a lot of Americans still confuse Royalty with celebrity, which is understandable if they have never been to Europe and seen and experienced the ancient culture and architecture here.
@@ibme6073 So many channels in the US are now exposing the Markle’s lies and grifts especially after the South Park episode. Me - I have a soft spot for the Monarchy, but understand the colonialism complaints.
I like how he offers a different perspective on this issue. People with disorders and mental health issues didn't choose this, they suffer, they are also victims and most times they don't have resources available to address these issues even if they have the desire to. Many of these issues stem from childhood and need to be recognised and tended to already then. It's a sad and unfair scenario for all parties.
Thank you
I loooooove Dr. Honda. I have barely Seen such a Passionate, Empathie, caring professional. His point of views as a Professional are impeccable and really impressive. I trust a lot on his opinion. Thanks Dr Honda, and take care of yourself, because you deserve it. You really, really do. ❤
Yay! Kirk is fantastic
I was really confused after clicking on the thumbnail, thought it was going to be Psychology in Seattle's channel for some reason and my brain couldn't comprehend how Andy was there lol. Time for coffee...
I had a girl in my life like this for many years they really mess with your life and even when you think you cut them out for good come back into it again in ways you wouldn't even think of where you feel out of control they copy your style intrests, go after your friends, relationships, you childrens lives and they gas light you and everyone around you into thinking they are innocent.
4:58 the villain is the hero of his own story
4:50 is where you should have set the time stamp. (You set it after he already said what you are referring to.)
We should have empathy for every person on this planet. Everyone is flawed everyone has problems.
Maybe she just wants some of the money that this amazing series is making. Jessica Gunning's performance is truly incredible! ❤
If Fiona Harvey truly appeared in a Borough of London Court, then she would've been psychologically tested for EVERY type of personality disorder known to mankind, way before being sentenced for stalking. Absolutely anything to help her defense in a psychological manner would've been considered. If she was imprisoned (as I highly suspect) it was because she was considered criminally responsible throughput the length of her crimes and the thousands of pieces of admitted evidence pointed firmly right back at her. 😊
I read that Fiona Harvey's nephew stated that she was imprisoned for four months in regard to a previous stalking conviction and used her other surname, Muir, which she'd dropped, so the plot thickens, as the old saying goes! 🧐
Mental health care and therapy is free in England.
It's also few and far between. I don't see any illness. I work in MH. She must be under alot of stress though at the moment.
What mental health care? And the waiting list is years to see a therapist in training.
All the characters in the show opened up a can of worms for psychological analysis not just Martha
If she hadn't come forward and identified herself, nobody would have known the real person behind Martha. She chose for it to happen; she could have remained anonymous and not verified her identity, leaving people to guess. Perhaps she has her own story to tell, and maybe the series was only partly true for cinematic purposes. Who knows? Maybe she wants to share her side of the story and believes that some people might sympathize with her.
Or she wants some of that netflix money. As a narcissist she probably feels entitled to it.
she thinks everyone should side with her, she doesnt think she did anything wrong, she down plays all the msgs and says it was all a joke!
Thank you for this. I am seeing a lot of people try to armchair diagnose Martha with BPD... and as someone with BPD; I do not agree with this. There are traits that overlap BPD and NPD, which is why they are both cluster B personality disorders; but again, as someone with BPD and as someone who was stalked for over 3 years... the way Martha behaved is not the way we behave. There is something seriously disturbing about martha. If she does have NPD, she may have other comorbidities along with it. As someone with BPD, peolle like Martha/Fiona terrify me.
I was married to a narcissist. And he would always present himself like she did on TV. His point was to make himself look better than me.
How is it that narcissists always deny they are narcissists. Rather they claim you (as in the person they are talking to) are the narcissist?
Come on doc, she looked as guilty as heck, and I’ve got no qualifications! Something was really off?🤔
I heard someone say "I'm not a veterinarian but I know a dog when I see one".
Dr. Honda is a responsible clinician. He only speaks on the data points that he can know and see. It would be unethical for him to do so.
@@ashleymcquirk5108 same with Dr Grande.... he's very careful to say it's only his opinion...
Oh boy. Dr. Kirk participating in this?! I feel like he would HATE the thumbnail
True, I that he’s here, but the thumbnail is really not him.
I recommend HG Tudor series.
People like Fiona (NPD) take what they use from therapy to further manipulate.
Edit to add: she will NOT get intense therapy on NHS, she needs to be sectioned for that. Fingers crossed 🤞
HG has not said Fiona is a narcassist he nearly poses the question.
@@babs66 I think you mean merely. I didn't mention what he did or didn't say she is.
Harry says the click of camera s trigger him then takes up with a woman who can’t live without cameras? Should we not let them in the public eye because they are ill? Using your same logic??