You have a Wartime Stanley No.4. Made during World War 2. Since brass was a premium material used for shell casings during the war, Stanley substituted a rubber wheel instead of a brass wheel.
comparisons without sharpening and tuning first are worthless. Also, you should know that the reason you can't fit your hand in is that you're supposed to use a 3 fingered grip with the index finger pointing forward & resting on the frog.
I've found Record planes always better than the similarly aged Stanleys when it comes to ergonomics and cuts. Stanley's does do a bit better on weight distribution. It maybe just me, but all the records I have have thicker soles, thus me thinking why they work better for my hands (I tend to push from the rear handle a lot more). They certainly feel different.
You have to sharpen and set these up to do a worth while comparison or all you've established is how well the previous owner looked after them. In addition I have never seen a Stanley number 4 with a plastic adjuster, when you hold the rear tote your index finger should sit off the handle down the side of the blade to aid control you will find it a lot more comfortable. Paul Sellers has a very good video showing restoration, set up and sharpening.
There's a Reckord 4 for sale near me and based on your video which I came across just today, I will ask the seller to see if the plane is available. Thank you; most informative👍
Lol for the both they are beech handle and totes, there is not rose wood. the beech was stained and varnished. record in my knoledge never make rosewood handle on theire plane, and for stanley they are only early 1900's "sweet-heart" area made in USA that they had rose wood . poor wood ID knowledge of this guy, but it make me happy because a good stains and varnish can lure people, even woodworker lol ! my secret for a rose wood stain is KMnO4 solutions. with a coat of varnish it s look like very realistic rosewood colour. KMnO4 decompose on contact of organic mater, in nice brown MnO2 and in some case oxidize some tanins that add becautiful light purple touch.
I believe both Stanley (UK) and Record made their planes using Rosewood knobs & totes before WW2 then Beech from then on, Stanley used plastic furniture from sometime in the seventy's not sure about Record though, Stanley (US) stopped making planes in 1967 the last being the type 20. The sweetheart planes were produced from around 1910 to around the 1930s types 10 to 15.
This was a bit unfair. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a trade quality Stanley plane that had a plastic adjustment knob. Sure, the Record is good but I suspect they are from different product lines. One is trade quality and the other looks more aimed at the home user.
williamn01 I have looked at both and as long as they are both from the same production tiers, I can see no difference. Sure, I like the Records too but there’s no appreciable difference between them, as long as you’re comparing like with like. Better casting? I can’t see any difference. And they weigh the same. I’ve checked.
@@thethirdman225 Yes I've always found the castings to be better, more uniformed and in my cases have felt a bit more beefier, I'm going with productions lines within the same 10 - 15 years. Also frogs have more of a contact surface aswell.
No: Six price ranges for vintage woodworking Planers is highly variable. You can get lucky occasionally and find them under $5 at local flea markets or online. However most of the time the less collectible later year or “type” # no. 4s go for around $20-$50. Outside of that. The pre world war models, the rarer, and the more specialized planes are all over the place in price ranges. Mostly because weird people like Rob Cosman “collect” every variation to set on a display shelf attracting dust, for instance the rare and useless Stanley No.1s are over $1000! My favorite, the No.6 ranges from $40 to almost $200. My recommendation is to look for a newer no.4 avoid examples from WW2(Type 17 plane 1942-45) and the handyman series. There’s cheaper well built improved planes made post WW2. Just no $$ in the eyes of a collector. The no. 4s are so common, don’t pay more than $20-$30 for a good one! Bring a checklist of things to examine rust, missing parts, length of cutter, cracks, repair etc. Paul Sellers has great video of how to restore one and what you look for. Make sure you do your research, small details cause large difference in value. If it’s in your $ range wood river and lie Nielsen make them brand new
That's one of the worst eras of Stanley planes to compare to any other planes. They only had the bakelite depth adjusters for a very short time. They made steel ones for little bit as well. Otherwise, they always had 100% brass adjusters. It seemed like your mind was made up before you even "reviewed" the two of them. 🤔
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You have a Wartime Stanley No.4. Made during World War 2. Since brass was a premium material used for shell casings during the war, Stanley substituted a rubber wheel instead of a brass wheel.
comparisons without sharpening and tuning first are worthless. Also, you should know that the reason you can't fit your hand in is that you're supposed to use a 3 fingered grip with the index finger pointing forward & resting on the frog.
i did not know about three fingered grip thanks
The handles seem to be made out of beech, not rosewood.
I've found Record planes always better than the similarly aged Stanleys when it comes to ergonomics and cuts. Stanley's does do a bit better on weight distribution. It maybe just me, but all the records I have have thicker soles, thus me thinking why they work better for my hands (I tend to push from the rear handle a lot more). They certainly feel different.
You have to sharpen and set these up to do a worth while comparison or all you've established is how well the previous owner looked after them. In addition I have never seen a Stanley number 4 with a plastic adjuster, when you hold the rear tote your index finger should sit off the handle down the side of the blade to aid control you will find it a lot more comfortable. Paul Sellers has a very good video showing restoration, set up and sharpening.
There's a Reckord 4 for sale near me and based on your video which I came across just today, I will ask the seller to see if the plane is available. Thank you; most informative👍
These are not new "straight out of the box." Testing them without sharpening and setting properly is silly.
Lol for the both they are beech handle and totes, there is not rose wood. the beech was stained and varnished.
record in my knoledge never make rosewood handle on theire plane, and for stanley they are only early 1900's "sweet-heart" area made in USA that they had rose wood .
poor wood ID knowledge of this guy, but it make me happy because a good stains and varnish can lure people, even woodworker lol !
my secret for a rose wood stain is KMnO4 solutions. with a coat of varnish it s look like very realistic rosewood colour. KMnO4 decompose on contact of organic mater, in nice brown MnO2 and in some case oxidize some tanins that add becautiful light purple touch.
I believe both Stanley (UK) and Record made their planes using Rosewood knobs & totes before WW2 then Beech from then on, Stanley used plastic furniture from sometime in the seventy's not sure about Record though, Stanley (US) stopped making planes in 1967 the last being the type 20. The sweetheart planes were produced from around 1910 to around the 1930s types 10 to 15.
This was a bit unfair. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a trade quality Stanley plane that had a plastic adjustment knob. Sure, the Record is good but I suspect they are from different product lines. One is trade quality and the other looks more aimed at the home user.
Most of the Records are made better than stanley either US or UK made ones, better castings.
williamn01 I have looked at both and as long as they are both from the same production tiers, I can see no difference. Sure, I like the Records too but there’s no appreciable difference between them, as long as you’re comparing like with like. Better casting? I can’t see any difference. And they weigh the same. I’ve checked.
@@thethirdman225 Yes I've always found the castings to be better, more uniformed and in my cases have felt a bit more beefier, I'm going with productions lines within the same 10 - 15 years. Also frogs have more of a contact surface aswell.
williamn01 What do you mean by “better”? As for “beefier”, they are the same weight for a given size.
You're not supposed to hold it with all four fingers, that is why it doesn't feel comfortable.
Yep
For the record, tote and knob is stained beech, not rosewood. No pun intended
for the both they are in beech. man in the video had a poor wood knowledge.
You are supposed to sharpen them and set them up first but very entertaining nontheless.
Old Records with rosewood is the best for quality and price for me.
QC = Quality Control
What can one expect to spend for each?
No: Six price ranges for vintage woodworking Planers is highly variable. You can get lucky occasionally and find them under $5 at local flea markets or online. However most of the time the less collectible later year or “type” # no. 4s go for around $20-$50. Outside of that. The pre world war models, the rarer, and the more specialized planes are all over the place in price ranges. Mostly because weird people like Rob Cosman “collect” every variation to set on a display shelf attracting dust, for instance the rare and useless Stanley No.1s are over $1000! My favorite, the No.6 ranges from $40 to almost $200. My recommendation is to look for a newer no.4 avoid examples from WW2(Type 17 plane 1942-45) and the handyman series. There’s cheaper well built improved planes made post WW2. Just no $$ in the eyes of a collector. The no. 4s are so common, don’t pay more than $20-$30 for a good one! Bring a checklist of things to examine rust, missing parts, length of cutter, cracks, repair etc. Paul Sellers has great video of how to restore one and what you look for. Make sure you do your research, small details cause large difference in value. If it’s in your $ range wood river and lie Nielsen make them brand new
@@jakemccracken347 why is the no1 useless?
Just really small so most people wouldnt have a use for one. They are similar to a block plane size
@@willc9978 He was only saying they are useless because people pay over £1000 for them and he hasn't got one 👍.
@Mase Mason yeah definitely. I do have a 4 ½ too but I prefer the no 4 for sure. I think it been lighter is nicer to use for long periods of time
That's one of the worst eras of Stanley planes to compare to any other planes. They only had the bakelite depth adjusters for a very short time. They made steel ones for little bit as well. Otherwise, they always had 100% brass adjusters. It seemed like your mind was made up before you even "reviewed" the two of them. 🤔
Are they of the same year
Colin Taylor yeah they are around the same year
Ok…………..
The handles seem to be made out of beech, not rosewood.