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Kemper Effects VS Real Pedals - Do I Still Need A Pedalboard?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2022
- As I am doing more and more silent stage gigs, I recently purchased a Kemper Profiler. I want to know is whether I still need to carry around a pedal board, or are the effects inside the Kemper good enough?
In this video, I compare a Tube Scream and a Klon-style pedal against the models built into the Kemper.
The Studio Rats are core band members Paul Drew on guitar/production/mixing, drummer James Ivey and Dan Hawkins on bass. They collaborate with singers and musicians to produce radio-ready songs.
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Excellent Paul. Useful as always. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing Paul. I just purchased myself a Kemper. Would love to buy your Matchless profile. Great tone.
you will notice even more of a difference if the pedals are before the Kemper. While it is true that you can change the order of the effects loop in the Kemper, the pedals are still placed after a whole A/D/A conversion, which makes them react differently than if they were seeing the signal straight from your guitar or even through true bypass pedals. When I had the Kemper, I had a small board with my wah and boosts out front and used the Kemper for Amps/Cabs and post effects( mod/delay/reverb). I think that's the best of the both worlds. Yes the Kemper boosts will do it in a pinch but having an analog chain with your boosts in front of it is still the best way to go.
good idea
Wow. Kemper have almost same tones, impressive!
Great vid Paul, thanks. I use a Kemper stage with headphones for home practice. I'm lucky 'cos I'm just an amateur doing this for fun. I don't try to make my Kemper sound like anything else, I just try to get good sounds out of it. Best tip I can give to any Kemper user is to go into the amplifier section & push the sag right up.
I’ll try that cheers Steve.
Sometimes I haven’t liked the tones from Kemper but this demo/vid was refreshing as that is the best dynamics I have heard from Kemper in a long time.
So I just learned today about something that was referred to as the "headroom trick", taking a higher gain amp profile and turning the gain knob down to a clean level can result in a better sounding amp with the external pedals than using a simple clean amp with the same pedals
In a band with a speaker cab and with drummer etc these tonal nuances are lost. And they are nuances. We are sitting here with headphones trying to discern tiny differences. Believe me in a band there is no difference. It boils down to what you want. Modellers are much cheaper and flexible than amps effects pedal boards etc. they are also faster to set up and so forth. Much more convenient. However you need to spend time with them up front to model the sound. They are not plug n play. Good Amps are heavier and much more expensive. Repairs and service are expensive. But they are more plug n play. Less faffing about up front. However the future is modelling. Make no mistake. Hardly any companies making tubes any longer. It’s considered a dirty industry. So many pros have switched already to modelling because they are cheaper more convenient faster and more reliable. It’s about efficiency. Like I said tonal nuances will not be apparent at your local club gig.
Because we all play gigs. The majority of us are home guitarists. And believe it or not, some of started playing as children for the love of guitar not adulation. So if your famous and you lose your fame do you give up playing? No you play for you because you love guitar. Stop with the tube bs. There’s plenty of amp builders still around and in business. Yes the tube price has gone up but they’re available. I have both amps and digital. I prefer my amps and I’m not giving them up. I’ll use my quad. I don’t like my Kemper or helix.
Agree 100%. The only pedal I need with my Kemper is a wah. I got rid of my pedalboard because I got tired of lugging it around, tap dancing, bad cables, etc. It is about simplicity and consistency for me.
Agreed. That being said, one of the advantages of pedals is tweakability in real time with no menu diving. There are times where a small amp and a couple pedals beats a modeler but 90+% of the time I just bring a Kemper and the producer is happy.
Wrong just wrong. Amps aren’t going anywhere and sales data proves so along with the myriad of boutique amp makers. Maybe for ppl who are too lazy to set up their rig with pedals etc. Guitar is a combination/culmination of small incremental “nuances” that make the end final result better. Most “professional” musicians are still using pedals and amps. Haven’t watched too many rig runs downs at all where professional players are using kempers/modeling. There’s a few but they’re far from the majority. Never mind that “nuanced” vibrato either, in a full band it’ll just get lost right 🤦🏻♂️
@@mmatthewias280 which productions do you work on? Amps are selling and will continue to probably, but I assure you, Kempers and the like are everywhere in the pro world.
I kinda like the Kemper effects better for me since the have more options like mixing in a clean signal, definition etc on the dirts and ducking on delays and reverbs. It’s odd you’re ignoring those knobs on the Kemper. I’ve heard and this could be totally wrong but actual tube screamers have about 25% of the clean signal going through.
Well, all of the signal when the TS is on, is passing through both the in/out buffer and the 4558 clipping stage. Even though at low gain stages it might sound like "clean signal" is coming through, you can always hear that the 4558 chip is in the path. Very distinct sound. Some chip/opamps sound more or less full range and less colorful, but the 4558 is kindda nasal, which is exactly what you want when using a TS.
Another great video from the rats....love it. I agree with Bill Lima's comments re: putting FX before the Kemper but either way sounded great to me. I also agree with the other comment, in the mix, I doubt these nuances will ever be heard but the Studio Rats are anal about tone like I am and I'm sure a lot of us will appreciate this video nonetheless!
Pedals win hands down, thanks for the video
Excellent comparisons.
That is without doubt the most beautiful gold top I've seen 😉😎👍
Cheers Richard, It’s a new edition to the collection. If you look at my TH-cam channel I did a vid on it a couple of weeks ago.
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Yes...watched that one while drooling. 😂😎👍
A few years back, Epiphone offered their '56 Les Paul dark back which was in my affordability price range...
I'm a single coil guy as well, so yes...pulled the trigger.
Some Lollar P90'S later, and a happy camper was I....Except for the greenish tint in the gold😐
Unfortunately...somehow the guitar fell out of its wall hanger onto a hardwood floor...and that was that😞
This your R6 is beautiful in every way😁👍
Thanks for the video. I am not 100% sold on the dirt type pedals on the Kemper yet. They will do in a pinch and in a band setting sound wise but the feel is not there yet for me at least.
I’d like to see an analog effects board that looks like the stage but contains several actual units combined into one interior but with the same independent controls. Even better, design a modular form of the effect unit that can be plugged into an open port.
Big fan- love your content! 🎸
Cheers Bud, I’d love to see your amps as well as the pedals available in the UK.
With YT compression through crappy speakers in this screen i hear no difference! Yet to try a Kemper, but i did just buy one so tonight i will find out. Lovely tone (and playing) from that goldtop LP! Not a huge Gibson fan but i do fancy a p90 Goldtop one day.
I'm a Kemper owner. My only issue is with the Kemper drives. I can tweak the settings to make it sound like any pedal - no problems there. My issue is that if I decide I want more or less gain on a certain song, the 'knobs' won't necessarily react the same way as certain pedals (like for instance the gain knob on a Nobels ODR-1). It just 'blooms' differently. Some people like to just set it and forget it and for that it's great. Unfortunately, I'm a tweaker! ;-)
I can't understand guitarists that only use the Klon as a boost. I'm happy that Paul uses his with some gain on too! The Kemper sounds good, but still there is no beating real pedals, at least in a direct comparison.
Yeah, I too think the Kemper Drives are not good as real pedals. Wished Kemper was better and updating their software to fix the Kemper Drives.
Need? Probably not. But, I prefer them because I sometimes play into an amp and sometimes into the kemper. The same pedalboard works for both. It's simpler to use the same board. I like simpler.
That Klon sounds great with the gain dialed back. May I ask what brand it is?
It’s a RYRA Klone.
"It's not the gear; It's the player!" - Rooster :)
Hi great video it is possible to do a preset without amps just pedals on the Kemper Stage please let me know thanks 🙏
Whats the p90 pickups model?
make sure you are adjusting the tone and definition to EAR! not just to eye. every potentiometer is different. I would say increase the definition control on the Klon in the Kemper. Keep in mind you can "BAKE" in those pedals and profile them into different patches and get the best of both worlds.
Cheers for the tips Michael.
Also remember the stomps in the Kemper are set to preamp. Obviously the ones you used were in the effects loop. Which is which is obviously fine. Just different. Keep in mind it’s better to pick a profile that has a higher gain setting then turn down the gain in that profile before hitting it with a preamp in the Kemper. That way it already has a snapshot of a higher Gaines, setting. Give that a go
@@michaelaugust3126 Good tips, so much to learn about these new fangled things, its not a normal amp and i suspect its when people try to treat them as such they get disappointed with the results. Im looking forward to jumping headfirst into Kemper land myself, never thought id buy a non tube amp but i have...
Great video. So for me, if you are going with a Kemper at a gig, you have to go 100 percent. In other words, find the tones that you like and work for you for your show and be committed. If the actual pedals sound better, then might as well just bring the Matchless and use the real thing since you will need your pedalboard. Thanks for all you do.
Cheers Evan.
I really appreciate your videos on the Kemper content! I need to find your Matchless profile(s) if you pushed them to Rig Exchange.
Hi Scott, yes they are up there. Cheers P
@@TheStudioRats What are they called on Rig Exchange or what is your (author) name on there to search?
Great video! Thank you! Just wondering if you have experimented with Modulation, Reverbs and Delays? Also how do I get that wonderful Matchless profile? Beautiful!
Yes
Great demo as always! Do you think the pedals in the Boss GT-1000 match the hardware better then the pedals in the kemper?
I absolutely hated the kemper because of rig manager and having 4 different procedures you had to know to load effects rigs performances and presets sucks big ones , but the iOS app made it much easier for me I never do rig manager tho or load new stuff. Hate computers!
Hello Paul,
what strings are you using.
You always have a great sound, no matter what guitar or amp/modeller you play.
And yes, I know the sound comes mainly out of the fingers.
When you turned on that tube screamer (built in kemper effect) was it at the default settings? it sounds alot better than the TS I've heard built into my kemper. Sounds great!
It was yes.
Can you upload your amp profile to rig manager it would be nice to hear them, thanks : )
You mention you are doing more "silent" gigs. Do you mean taking a line out from the Kemper as opposed to having an amp on stage? Would be great to see and hear you using the Kemper in a Live situation. I'm London based so please do let me know where, when, and if you are playing Live using the Kemper. I'd love to check it out. Thanks for the post.
Cheers FX. Yes I’d be taking a line out instead of having an amp on stage. If there are any public gigs I’ll be sure to let you know.
What is the white guitar next to the matchless give it a whirl I’d like to know your thoughts on it I have almost every guitar you own also love the videos
th-cam.com/video/b8an9zfNLnI/w-d-xo.html there’s the guitar
May I ask how old your Tube Screamer is? It sounds wonderful and you always do a tremendous job with your videos. Cheers!
Cheers Andrew, it’s a mid 90s one
I have the Kemper Stage, but also with a big pedalboard. I sorta feel like the drives in the Kemper are really good, and i don't *_need_* all the drive pedals i have, but i just prefer clicking on a real hardware device and adjusting real knobs vs cursoring and mousing in Rig Manager. It's the other pedals, though, that shine vs the Kemper. Kemper doesn't do a decent Univibe, so i had to shell out for the JAM. Fuzzes just aren't the same, so i have five fuzz pedals. Delays and reverbs are good, but they never amaze me. So, i have an Eventide H9, Boss DD-200, and now the Keeley HALO, plus a UA Golden Reverberator. And for chorus, even the H9 doesn't do the magic of the Boss Dimension-C waza. It might seem like idiocy, to buy a Kemper, that has all the effects inside, and then add a pedalboard that now probably costs twice what i paid for that Kemper. But, when i bought into the Kemper, it was with the mindset that i'd treat it only like an amp and cab, and if i used pedals outside of it, it would help me to feel more like i was playing an 'old school' rig-and not a computer.
I think you’ve got the perfect setup. I completely agree about the internal vibe pedal and also have the jam one. I’m guessing you run your drives in the front and use the stereo loop for your time based effects?
@@TheStudioRats Yessir. Not sure about "perfect," as it is a crazy amount of money. When i started the 'project,' i thought i'd maybe spend a grand on pedals. I don't want to do the math now, though:
Kingtone Mini Fuzz Ge > EP Booster > Land Devices HP-2 > Fredric Effects Super Unpleasant Companion > Wampler Ego(big) > Keeley Moon Fuzz > Vertex Dynamic Distortion > Kingtone Duellist > Vemuram Jan Ray > Danelectro Roebuck > Vemuram Shanks ODS-1 > TC Electronic Zeus > Jam Retrovibe v3? > Keeley Red Dirt > Walrus Iron Horse v3 >>> into the 'front' of the Kemper. Keeley Halo > Eventide H9 > Boss Dimension C Waza > Boss DD-200 > UA Golden Reverberator >>> into the Effects Loop: KEMPER Stage >> Focusrite… iMac.
The good news is that i feel like i'm done. GAS has subsided to an appreciable degree, although i did just try the new Tim (kept the Vemuram) and just ordered a Snouse BlackBox2, thinking maybe it'll replace the Kingtone's left side.... It's never 'over,' i guess. But, it has slowed!
@@CentaurusRelax314 daayyyymmmn that’s a lot of pedals
@@TheStudioRats Yep. Unfortunately, none of them is labeled "Talent."
Could you do a video explaining how to plug in the pedals into the effects loop and how many you can run? Thanks!
Maybe just read the manual instead of asking a stranger to invest many hours into making a video for you.
@@sjaakvandam2170 yea how dare someone offer up another video content idea that will be sure to gather an audience 🙄
@@IanAbelBand You mean its sure to gather your audience wich isnt much of an audience by any standard. Also, kemper and many others have made this video years ago. Just read the manual dude. You might even learn something about your gear.
@@sjaakvandam2170 🥱
Is your profile on the rig exchange?
Ive had 2 kempers and a Helix. Played them for years and was pretty happy. Now I got a 2 tube amp setup, and a pedalboard with fanzy pedals. Wow the tones I got now. Maybe the Audience dont hear it, but I satisfi myself in a degree that is allmost disgusting :-)
Played a festival a few weeks back and heard 4 other bands with modellers, and my sound blew them of the stage. Not finished with modellers but im damn happy where I am now
On stage or in a tracking room the modelers just don’t compare but when recording I usually can’t tell which tracks were my amp or my profiles of the amp.
@@louderthangod yes you are right, theres seems to be no difference, but i beginning to prefer amp in a room more and more. I think many pros who are starting to use modellers will go back eventually. Chris Buck have been a big fan of modellers but it seems he have gone all valve now.
Pedals for that more tangible attack and feel.
Why didn't you profil your full chain... Your matchless + your réal pedal ?
Nice guitar! 👌
I’m a helix user with real drive pedals before it. I feel like all of the modellers/profilers out now are getting exceptional with amp and post drive effects but there’s still a little way to go before they really mail drive pedals. I doubt it’ll be too long to be fair though 😊
That was really interesting. I was thinking their built in fx would be better. Now I don’t need to buy a Kemper, Cheers Paul.
There definitely not bad, it just that using pedals for me is better.
Nobody but you will hear it. Normal people cant hear the tiny subtle details. I had a hard time with the TS myself and Ive got a pretty good ear, you could dial them in so close, close your eyes blind sound test. I wouldn’t be able to tell. AND if Im spending almost 2k on a 12yr + old tech, I am not buying any other pedals. Thats the rig, for that much money just deal with subtle differences. The TS was really close man. The Klon clone, was noticeable, but two different clones of a pedal, which klon clone did they clone? It was seriously good enough, better than good enough. It just didnt sound like yours. Thats all I heard. Nice gold top BTW I have the same, its a tone machine. Cheers!
Cheers Simon.
It’s got nothing to do with the sounds to me, I don’t like complicated programming and just prefer using pedals!
The pedal better🏆
There is absolutely no reason, and I repeat that again, absolutely no reason to be still playing heavy ass tube amps in 2022 besides nostalgia.
I dare you to blindly distinguish between a tube amp, the Kemper, the Helix or the Quad Cortex.
Don‘t get me wrong, tube amps are cool and everything but they‘re unpractical, heavy and outdated for most live use/recording situations.
Be a purist all the way you want but the future can‘t and won‘t be stopped.
What you're saying is definitely true in terms of a blind sound test.. I own a Kemper, axe fx 3 and many tube amps.. I can get absurdly close with the modelers but.... Give me a blindfolded test on the feel and I'll immediately be able to tell which ones are models vs tubes
@@ajk326 I never felt that way, but this video was pretty cool to watch about that subject. Not saying you don't feel what you feel at all, but this vid goes there for those guys. th-cam.com/video/k6AwTp4ZUm0/w-d-xo.html
@@MikeDevo it's only with high end tube amps that I can tell.. there's a certain bloom to notes on really dynamic amps that modelers haven't gotten right yet.. by all means the axe fx, Kemper etc are absolutely incredible and in a mix it's virtually impossible to tell the difference.. for example I have a Fuchs ods and the model on the axe fx is damn near perfect, but there's certain livelihood that the real amp has that the axe is missing, just affects how you play
That Kemper Interface on the front of the unit gives me anxiety. Endless menu diving...And that GUI in the Computer....All this faff for inferior tone. Just give me a pedal an amp and a few real knobs....Dont get the Kemper one bit....(shudder)
The pedals sound best. The Kemper sounds very synthetic.
Honestly I think that the profile in general seemed to be very compressed and yeah, the Kemper never went on top with modeling.
They sound the same.