This is the fact the pro-appeasement side doesn’t recognize. If the US demands Taiwan reach an agreement, we would be asking Taiwan to abrogate its own democracy. That’s not going to happen. Either self-determination is respected, or it isn’t.
And what does the other 90% want? Most people want status quo, not a fact that the "democratic" Taiwanese government respects. When a population is deliberately kept ignorant and their opinions manipulated by the government, you can't get the true will of the people. The government is prohibiting online anti-independence speech. The Taiwanese have no clue about what kind of independence they would have after reunification. For example, they would be allowed to keep their military, all tax money would be spent on the island, etc. So your %'s mean nothing.
@@christineyoung8345 You’re using TH-cam to moan and groan about Taiwan being undemocratic when the fascist dictatorship that you want to see rule Taiwan doesn’t even allow TH-cam to operate China. Taiwan isn’t going to roll over and die all because a fringe group of white communists in the West are losing their 💩 at the sight of non white people in Asia fighting communism. Get out and go back to your side of the wall barbarian
@@christineyoung8345 Typical authoritarian argument, "the people can't be trusted to vote in their own interests!". You're also wrong by the way, some leaders of the KMT are very openly and publicly anti-independence, and the current government wants to maintain the status quo. It's mainland China that's pushing to change the island's status. I'll also need a source on your claim that Taiwan would be allowed to maintain its own military after reunification. That would essentially make reunification meaningless.
50:48 that's not actually what deterrence is, deterrence is how you prevent war and attempt to cool threats down by not presenting to the enemy a potential for winning, the fact that the USA has not resolved some issues is not the fault of the USA but the regimes they are dealing with, many of these nations are/were totalitarian, ideologically driven and not or barely rational actors, you use deterrence to prevent boil up of the situation and then work or buy time to prevent escalation towards conflict, this is the realist way of dealing with potential of war, the alternative would be to invade which is what the USA did in Korea once it beaten back the North korean forces that tried to invade south korea, what was the result of that? China joining the war and fighting the USA directly which btw almost led to nuclear strikes on China which may have forced the USSR to do the same in defence of China or simply to feel justified in using nukes on another target in the future, deterrence is key to preventing wars. if China invades Taiwan the USA has to respond in a way that prevents China from claiming victory, the best situation would be for the USA to act in such a way to make something like that not happen by for example putting nukes on Taiwan or allowing Taiwan to become a NATO member or simply daring to acknowledge Taiwan, the fact the USA does not do this makes war more likely not less, deterrence is key always has been, always will be to preventing wars, though sometimes they are still inevitable.
4:56 Seems like the CCP wrote his speech for him. Then he mixed it up a bit a few places. 12:00 He also seems to have a selective memory, the PLA's "warning" to Vietnam was ignored, not the sad consequences were to the PLA that got their arses kicked and ran home to declare a victory.
I have seen and read many comment without sufficient and correct knowledge in terms of this matter. Under CCP's regime, there is only one China, which is PRC (People's Republic of China). It is educated, or brainwashed, in the past 100 years in mainland China. ROC (Republic of China) Taiwan was never seen as a parallel political government equally. China also altered and brainwashed the world history within its domestic education, claiming it was Mao's CCP defeated Japan during WWII. In fact, it was Chiang Kai-shek's KMT government defended mainland China and defeated Japan, and was then ambushed by Mao's CCP right after, which forced Chiang Kai-shek led KMT government retreated to Taiwan as ROC Taiwan. ROC Taiwan was also one of the founding nations of UN. However, UN accepted CCP's PRC China years later, which put ROC Taiwan in a very bad spot internationally. Since then, ROC Taiwan developed and morphed as one of the most democratic and free nation in the world, without the taint of communism.
Why this people talking only Taiwan , China is claiming the whole South China Sea . No body can cross without chinas authorization or all should pay crossing South China Sea.
I have relative on both sides. The only body bags will be because the US is using my people as cannon fodders. China will never use force on Taiwan unless a formal declaration of independence commences. Both PRC and ROC Taiwan will reunite one day. Keeping the status quo now is the key but your country is trying to provoke war by supporting separatism. Keep your filthy war mongering hands of my people.
@@JD-yz4kr excellent! So the US government should do what the HK government is doing with the pro democracy protesters does but with 1000 times the righteousness and vengeance!
No commentary on the "Peaceful" reunification and destruction of Hong Kong as a prosperous and democratic territory of China. No one should agree to a unification if Hong Kong is the model!
Yeah Hong Kong was a great democracy under British rule. I think Hong Kong got their first chance to vote was in 1990 before that a lot of Chinese lived in filthy conditions and in junk boats in filthy water. If you want to go back to the early 1900 their was NO Hong Kong government.
@Eric Ke China took a wrong turn when it elected Xi as Chairman. I would say with his mentality there will be conflict continuously. You don't mention Indian conflict, Tibetan Conflict, Yugur incarceration in concentration camps. Previous war with Vietnam. Dispute over very tenuous demand for Japan's Spratley Parasol, Islands, Disputes of Islands in the South China Sea which Xi exclaimed "Will never be occupied!", Territorial Disputes with India, Tibet, Myanmar, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Russia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, South Korea, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines................Singaporean trade dependent on keeping Sea lanes open and building a formidable defense force to defend against...................America? If war may be predicted by how many international border disputes an administration has going at the same time.......................then under Xi is on the warpath and only with US backing can democracies like Taiwan prevail!
@@gryphus64 All those disputes you talk of are around China and yet you love the US wars thousands of miles away from the US which is the real trouble maker with over 800 bases around the world and now causing problems in Ukraine. The US never thinks of peaceful decisions it only knows how Militarily. Chian isn't going to invade Taiwan or India or Tibet or Vietnam or any other place tou like to mention unless it gets attacked first.
36:20 Is that idiot supposed to be an expert??? All ICBM's are hypersonic! He must be thinking if hypersonic missiles and glide vehicles. Yes, they are hard to stop and they have the potential of doing a lot of damage. There is just the problem that the missiles are not hypersonic at sea level and glide vehicles are not precise at all. The problem is that when something moves at hypersonic speed in the atmosphere they are blind and deaf. That's why we lose contact to the space capsules when they return back to earth. Hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere result in plasma formation that results in loss of signal. Sure they can be used for atomic warheads that do not have to hit a specific point or even more difficult a moving target like an aircraft carrier.
Problem is we recognized Taiwan as 'Republic' of China ( 23 million population) but wouldn't recognize Communist China as a 'NATION' ... BUT gave them VETO status in the UN..! Stupidity is the 'BASE ' of US and Western Politics.
Rejected by repubs from the chair of the National Intelligence Council by republicans, rejected by dems and repubs for defending Tiananmen, rejected by dems, repubs and indys for his appeasement of China. The only thing Chas does best is rejection
How Asia sees China 1)Japan: 90% hate 2)Phillippines:90% hate 3)South Korea:80% hate 4)India:80% hate 5)Vietnam:75% hate 6)Taiwan:70% hate 7)Indonesia:55% hate 8)Singapore:50% hate
Why India hates China 1)2020 land invasion of Ladak 2)2017 land invasion of Doklam 3)Provocations at occupied Tibet 4)Funding Naxalite terrorism 5)Funding Khalistani network 6)Funding spies 7)Colluding with anti India political parties 8)Interfering in domestic Indian journalism 9)Chinese companies Evading tax 10)Daming Brahmaputra river 11)String of Pearls strategy 12)Meddling in Indian sphere of influence. Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh 13)Pakistan-Chinese axis 14)1962 war
@@jeffchun those poll might be true, but it's so childish to quote and post it public opinion is too easily manipulated, that's why the famous saying of an ancient Greek philosopher got recognized : crowd is ignorant you gotta see what ruling elites think, and what they think is quite the opposite even Vietnam openly said that she will not join the US against China, that's usually a very strong sign on diplomatic scene
We should take Chas and Lyle’s advice to heart. Arrest all counter revolutionaries and send them to the gulags. That way we don’t have to deal with communists like Chas and Lyle anymore!!!!
The U.S. strategic objective regarding Taiwan should be to preserve its political and economic autonomy, its dynamism as a free society, and U.S.-allied deterrence-without triggering a Chinese attack on Taiwan. In respect to China’s current red lines, we deduce that they are: no declaration of independence by Taiwan and “no external interference,” which we interpret to mean no U.S. troop deployments in Taiwan and no security pact between the United States and Taiwan. The world is watching and so are the Chinese People on both side of Taiwan Straits . The US must keep its Naval Presence and continue trading in the complete Indo-Pacific Region and keep the sea lanes open. Who ever fires the first shot losses the support of the nations of the world and they lose RESPECT and that will be their decline. Successful diplomacy is to a large degree situational and takes place under changing circumstances, which requires tactical adjustments; the Biden administration’s continuing order of the day regarding policy toward Taiwan should be prudent caution, but not timidity. China CCP knows to be the aggressive and attack Taiwan with no justification except domination of the people of Taiwan is Political Suicide as they would be attacking their own Chinese People and that would cause an Internal Revolution on the main land and loss of face RESPECT in the world .
The current US congress and administration is emboldening the Taiwan administration to be more and more hawkish regarding overt moves towards independence effectively changing the status quo. Taiwan is moving towards an open declaration of independence with the full expectation that US lives and treasure will spill on their behalf. There is no one willing in the US to rein in this idea as no one in the US is willing to seem weak against China. Furthermore, the Taiwan Relations Act allows arming Taiwan and there have been increased calls to increasingly arm them with more and more advanced weapons such as F35s and Patriot battery systems which could spark the initiation of a conflict or an armed embargo. What most people fail to realize is that the Chinese consider Taiwan a vestige of the Great Power imperialism and militarization during the Century of Humiliation. This was a time of a loss of sovereignty when the sick man of Asia was carved up by France, US, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, etc. The US was involved concessions in Shanghai and Tianjin and inserted themselves into the Chinese civil war supporting the fascist KMT with weapons, supplies and training. Even when the KMT suffering heavy losses from the CCP and were surrounded within the major cities, the US air dropped weapons and supplies, but the KMT still lost. When the KMT fled to Taiwan, they did not flee to another country or invade another country, but instead fled to another section of China taking with them a large amount of the national treasury, gold, historical art and treasure. The US then sent the US Navy 7th Fleet to prevent a Taiwanese conquest and a finale to the civil war and threaten Mao with nuclear weapons if invasion occurred. The CCP never ruled Taiwan the same reason why the CCP never ruled Shanghai before the KMT was defeated in Shanghai or never ruled the largest island Hainan before the KMT was defeated in Hainan: they were a new party. The CCP never signed any end of the war and recently unclassified documents showed that the KMT was seeking US assistance to reinvade China up to the 70s. The fact that the CCP was a ground military and was too weak to invade Taiwan that became a US protectorate by no way means the civil war ended when the KMT fled to Taiwan. The fact that Taiwan is a democracy now is irrelevant to the CCP as it was a fascist state in the past and the CCP still wanted to defeat the KMT.
@@andrewareva4605 times have changed. China and the world are intertwined financially and with trade. An attack on Taiwan would be economic suicide for china. The ccp might prevail from a military point of view by creating area denial but trade sanctions would cause starvation in china.
@@rodgerhempfing2921 The international community should push for a peaceful resolution to this conflict whether it be reunification or separation. It takes two to tango and the fact that the US is moving towards conflict through aggressive rhetoric, arming Taiwan and sea war games in the area rather than urging both sides to negotiate suggests that someone wants war. The US has a lot of leverage with the Taiwanese administration and the Chinese but clearly the yachts of defense contractor executives don't buy themselves.
@@rodgerhempfing2921 The HK situation was seen as a sign by Taiwan, but by no means reflects the conditions Taiwan will face. Deng offered Taiwan autonomy, democracy, their own military, non interference in trade etc, in exchange for Beijing representation in international bodies. Taiwan refused at that time. It is unclear whether Taiwan would get similar terms now, but the lack of negotiation means that nothing could be achieved. Moreover, you should read more about the details on the ground regarding HK. This American Life did a piece that demonstrated HK protestor's xenophobic view of mainland Chinese and their open desire to kill police. Germany's DW did an interview with Joey Siu and she refused to condemn violence and could be seen as absolutely insane. The protests began benign, but later resorted to extreme violence that demonstrators would not be tolerated in the US. For example, HK used hundreds of Molotov's against police as well as arrows and killed a random bystanders with a pro-China view. In NYC during the Black Lives Matter protest, two lawyers threw a Molotov into an empty NYPD SUV and was arrested and sentenced to felonies. HK protests disrupted the city for months. Trump called in the National Guard after 2 weeks. All violence and disruption was justified as a protest for democracy. There were HK protestors openly demanding foreign military intervention waving Trump flags which would be considered treason. Imagine if BLM protestors waved Russian and Putin flags. Nevertheless, HK is still ruled by laws that differ from the mainland with HK Basic Law that enshrines certain personal freedoms. The protestors did not achieve their goals as their goals were insane (e.g. complete immunity after months of violence) and only accelerated Beijing's transition to authoritarianism with the National Security law and the Beijing's selection of candidates. Whereas a large percent of the population supported the initial protests, the violence and disruption to the city months later especially after Beijing retracted the extradition law resulted in only extremists continuing to support them.
> The CCP says they are going to attack the US carriers preemptively and then Taiwan. > The shepherds flock was threatened by the wolf, so the shepherd got a dog. The dogs’ teeth were not sharper or its bite more vicious than the wolf, but the wolf would rather go hungry than face the dog. > The free world cannot afford to let the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) take Taiwan. Taiwan is strategically located at the center of the first island chain. It would complete their control of the chain less Japan. It would become yet another island military base and give the CCP a deep-water Pacific port to conceal their nuclear subs threatening the U.S. Japan knows it would be next, if not targeted at the same time and after that the Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, Vladivostok and eventually the US. The CCP would use Taiwan to cut the trade routes and threaten free countries who do not yield to its’ will or relinquish territory and resources. Japan would be first. Appeasement “Peace in our time” did not work for Chamberlain it will not work now. [Maybe they should be called the NAZI party, except for the symbols it is hard to tell the difference.] > The CCP believes it is on the verge of global domination. The Quad Alliance (Australia, India, Japan, United States) and now others is the only organization that could stand up to the CCP. If the Quad+ does nothing other countries will say the Quad+ ether could not or would not stop the CCP and so they cannot. They would have to aqueous to all the CCPs demands and over time lose their sovereignty to the CCP. Eventually the CCP would become so powerful that the free world would have to do so too. The CCP would impose its propaganda/censorship/surveillance empire not just to Mongolia, Turkestan, Tibet, Hong Kong and now Taiwan, and later the rest of the world. Free speech would evaporate globally. Democracy would become a distant memory. Concentration camps would proliferate worldwide. > IT WILL START LIKE THIS: The CCP assumes the Quad+ alliance will help Taiwan. In their version of the NAZI “OPERATION SEA LION” the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) attacks the Quad+ carriers and air force bases with 100s of missiles each preemptively in the belief that a demoralized Quad+ will withdraw or be delayed leaving Taiwan defenseless. If they are wrong this is economic suicide. If wrong, at great cost the Quad+ destroys the PLA navy, the maritime militia, takes the military islands, and closes the Strait of Malacca to the CCP. The Quad+ maintains constant military and economic pressure on the CCPs” Military Industrial Complex” with standoff weapons and in time, more available and less expensive gravity, or glide bombs. The CCP has alienated every country on its border. Sum would see opportunity and attack China once the PLA has been weekend, for reasons of their own. With their massive numerical advantage invading mainland China is not an option. It would result in massive casualties, lots of collateral damage, risk a nuclear exchange and become a protracted war without further achievement. Regime change might be a little too ambitious. Inflicting casualties on the PLA would only make them stronger as they already have more people than their land will support (1.4 billion, four times the US population and four times the number of mouths to feed with the same amount of land). China is not self-sufficient in oil, coal, natural gas, food, water, iron ore, rare earth ore, agricultural seed, and other things. A war in China’s front yard would in and of itself stop all Chinese trade and maritime poaching operations. The Chinese economy would collapse and maybe their trading partners as well. You would think that would be enough to deter them and MAYBE IT HAS? A negotiated peace or even a cease fire would not work as the CCP would never honor any deal it made, rearm, and try again. The only thing that would stop the CCP is the inability to attack. Containment would be the order of the day, the decade or longer. There would be no exit strategy. Perpetual war? With all deference to Binkov’s Battlegrounds the object of the exercise would be to protect Taiwan, stop CCP “Lebensraum” (expansionism), keep the international sea lanes open, and eliminate the threat to and theft of resources from other countries, NOT the conquering of China. As tempting as regime change would be that is an extremely ambitious goal requiring an uprising of the Chinese people, who all have Stockholm Syndrome against their CCP masters. > The CCP is watching the Quad+ reorganize, reprioritize, reequip with new technology, build capability and alliances in the SCS. This might be enough to deter them. If not, maybe the US should dust off the 1941 “Lend-Lease Act” or Canada the “Mutual Aid Act”? What ever happened to “The Arsenal of Democracy”? Does the free world really need to charge Taiwan the full price for the military supplies and equipment they are buying? Should little Taiwan wildly overmatched bear the burden of defending freedom and democracy worldwide? If there is a war, there will be no winners only losers. An economic war or cold war is a lot less expensive and a lot less bloody. The only way to really win a war is not to fight one. The CCP has been fighting a cold war with the free world for the last 50 years. I wonder if an arms race might help bankrupt the CCP the same way it did the Soviet Union? Maybe the CCP thinks it can bankrupt the Quad or at least Taiwan? > The CCP cannot leave power gracefully. They have broken too many of their own laws and done too many horrendous things to the Chinese people. Right now, the CCP has Sovern immunity abroad and institutional immunity at home. They will destroy the Chinese people before they leave power.
Your thinking is totally mixed up. They are advising caution & realism against involving the US in any military interference. If you disagree, then YOU should enlist - far be it for them with their rationale to do so.
@@spidermann1256 lol realism? What realism? the one that recommended surrender to the Nazis when they were pillaging and raping their way through Europe?
@@zephonnohpez ?Huh? The 2 situations are poles apart! Just for starters, WW2 was because mainly the Germans were smarting over the reparations imposed on them after WW1 & the Jews were convenient scapegoats + the concept of Lebenstraum. The territories comprised separate sovereign states, with one invading others. Whereas the PRC & Taiwan is a continuation of an unresolved civil war over ONE SOVEREIGN state, which would have been resolved had the US not intervened in the Korean civil war, which forced the PRC away from the Taiwan theatre to protect her flank with N. Korea. You clearly do not understand even the basics.
He says that Australia won't be sufficiently armed for 20 years, so won't be able to do anything. Australia's allies would arm them. America would arm them to the teeth and make them immediately formidable. I'm suprised he didn't think of it.
@@gti500 they do not want to be invaded by a communist country, so all democracies care. And organ harvesting of prisoners is a crime against humanity.
Arming Taiwan "to the teeth" would change the current status quo and likely trigger an immediate Chinese invasion. Would you think the Chinese would sit idly by as this happens?
When Chas Freeman shared his misunderstanding that China has been reluctant to form alliances (1:18;50), the whole talk fell apart. China has established an alliance with Pakistan, a terrorist nation. China (the CCP) is giving Pakistan warships to have an ally in controlling the Indian ocean. China has also pledged to give Pakistan missiles equipped with nuclear warheads. China is actively preparing for war, not merely building a military in general terms, and the war will be on multiple fronts, not only in the South-China Sea. The ugliest part of it all: China is gambling on radicalized Islamists being the ones to launch the first nuclear strike.
U really dont know anything about geopolitic in asia. The fact is china dont give a shit about taking over japan. Go study the history… and stop making these ignorant comment!
@@yongdeng1813 What about the Diaoyu islands? Sure, China doesn't care about other countries because it will just claim all their territory as its own. Like in the South China Sea- Philippines. Duh, The CCP has no credibility.
@@yongdeng1813 Huh, they have tried to invade Japan in History, they keep trying to take over Japanese islands. History tells us that giving in to totalitarian regime's territorial ambitions just end up leaving them wanna have more and thinking they can get it with force.
Why is the USA a mafia state with the blind leading the blind? Can't those losers see that their dreams of never ending war is stupid & suicidal? Could someone please tell them about karma/inescapable divine justice?!
The Ambassador is dead wrong and sees no further than his legacy. If he's not an unwitting fool, then he's gone native. He spent too much time in China and has lost his perspective. The Chinese are experts as they themselves say in managing barbarians. The diplomacy of the past and strategic ambiguity does not and will not work anymore nor should it simply because China is now in a position to take. Contrary to his claims of being a realist, the Ambassador shows his true idiocy by his remarks of mutual respect and cooperation. This kind of language used in conjunction with Taiwan is appeasement and a surrender of vital political, economic and military US interests. Should the US abandon Taiwan, the US will lose Asia and be permanently removed from it. China will not only gain a political victory at home and abroad but a military asset that will reinforce its plan to dominate the Western Pacific. With its region pacified, China will be free to roam abroad and intrude upon American interests elsewhere. Those who seek to avoid war will only fight a war later at a time and place not of their choosing with no friends while being greatly disadvantaged. People can stand hypocrites. People do not forgive losers. The abandonment of Taiwan will be America's Waterloo. If the goal of these idiots and fools is to avoid nuclear war, what's there to stop China from doing whatever it wants conventionally? Are these idiots and fools willing to resort to nuclear war should the US lose conventionally to China? Because of America's failure to act now, the US could become the Russia of tomorrow. A whole lot of nukes to wave about but not much else. After listening to the Q&A, this ambassador is even more infuriating. He talks nonstop about how the Chinese no longer believes or trusts the US anymore. About how the situation between the US and China is deteriorating. Ambassador! Consider the diplomacy of the past that was either initiated by China or agreed to by China as a ploy to buy time until China could establish a technological and economic foundation to challenge the US. They told the world their plans and the world did not listen. Hide and bide. Now, they no longer need to hide. So, they take. Are people that stupid to take on faith the words of an authoritarian let alone an authoritarian state? Whether through peaceful means or through force, Taiwan loses its democracy either way. So, why the insistence on the US being consistent with the One China policy and a diplomatic solution knowing full well the outcome of that decision? The US may have avoided war but in turn has condemned twenty million. In such a scenario, the people of the world will see it for what it is despite America's attempt to convince itself and the rest of the world otherwise. The US has only postponed a conflict with China but with a massive hit to morale at home and abroad with no credibility and a weaker position militarily in the Western Pacific. America and Americans had better get their shit together and get their asses on the job. Despite America's failings and there are many, the US is still the best country for its freedoms and persistence that the world be as well. No other country does it and has the power to do so. As humans come into the world kicking and screaming, the world too needs a cop on the beat to make the world a better place.
I had to go back and check to make sure I didn't misshear and he was actually the Chinese ambassador to the US. He spent too much time there and is obviously in their pocket at this point. He even confused the other speaker onto thinking that he was advocating a US lead reunification process. He talked about "the US solved it's independence by itself" it kinda ignores all the help we got from the french. *Maybe we shouldn't have liberated western Europe from Germany twice. It wasn't our problem.* Like minded freedom loving people have to look out for each other. When we don't, we lose. This man's a tool of the PRC and this institute lost credibility by hosting him.
100% this. America stepping down to let another liberty respecting democratic rejime take it's shot on the world stage is plausabe, but ceeding that to an autocratic rejime that still is stuck in a 1930's mentality? No. It's no longer about Taiwan. It's about preventing THAT and THAT is what we would be willing to fight die loose cities and vanquish the enemy over. That's a far stronger need than reunifying with some bit of territory.
Freeman served on the international advisory board of the state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corp. He joined the board in 2004, one year before the company made an unsuccessful bid to purchase the American energy company Unocal. Since then, CNOOC has been a source of worry for lawmakers from both Democrats and Republicans for money laundering and undermining US sanctions
@@timneaves519 if he was calling for defending Taiwan and served on the board of a US government company you’d be crawling all over it like maggots over garbage. Don’t act like you wouldn’t
@@karmy5358 I’ve noticed in life that racist people have very low IQs that’s why they can’t debate you on an issue they always have to use derogative talk.
Ambassador Freeman give a very frank views and assessment on the US,China and Taiwan issues.Make very good and sound recommendations how how it could be handle without the risk of nuclear war. The most frank and informative discussion.
Mr. Freeman and Mr. Goldstein are rare voices of rationality. Unfortunately they are not on main stream press so American people can't hear them. US is poking China on Taiwan just like US and NATO had been poking Russia on Ukraine before Russia decided to fight a war. Ukraine is an independent country recognized by Russia and Russia still decided to go to war. Taiwan is part of China and China has always insisted on her sovereignty over Taiwan. Anyone who think China can let Taiwan go without a fight is crazy.
will China’s illegal involvement in Myanmar’s Civil War cause the CCP to end with a bang or a whimper? Will China’s illegal involvement in Korean Civil War cause the CCP to end with a bang or a whimper? Maybe they should ask those questions first!
C. Freeman has the best understanding of US China Taiwan situation! He is courageous and very helpful in sharing his brilliant observations! Many thanks!
I agree. Who in their right mind would fall for that ploy again. The CCP has a credibility problem, big time. They are actually responsible for creating the dangerous situation today. It seems they wanted this all along.
@@johnmyers6117don't think so, think Xi wanted more than one thing and thought he could have his cake and eat it too. Think that is something he has got away with too often already, in other areas. For instance, they are still a developing country and therefore have to get money from their nations to support them grow, while they are playing that they are the strongest economy and use it to force others do they bitting. They are part of the WTO and the open market, they buy a lot of companies an invest and sell their products cheaply, While they are self a close market, there are lots of restrictions on imports, and difficulties in investing there on equal terms.
@Eric Ke After the CCP abolished freedoms and reneged on their promises in Hong Kong, cultural genocide in Xinjiang and the initial covering up of COVID-19, and the Tiananmen Square massacre, how much CREDIBILITY does the CCP have in this world? What happened to all those missing drivers drown in the tunnel in Zhengzhou? I hear people are starving inside their homes in Xi'an. Quit lying to yourself and your family. Stop treating your own countrymen like cattle. Learn to be a real human being. Quit the CCP!
_”The US needs to recognize that China has red lines which have to be respected”_ And since when has China ever respected the “red lines” of other countries? Kashmir is a red line for India but that does not stop China from ganging up with Pakistan to build roads and bridges on land that India claims. The South China Sea is a red line for Philippines and Vietnam but that does not stop China from plundering their resources in THEIR eez. By all means talk about red lines but let’s be fair about whose red lines we are talking about
You Hindutva nutters are truly out to lunch. Nobody in Kashmir and Jammu wants to be Indian...so what right have you to tell them? Imperialist pigs, like your British masters!
You seem to be one of those brainwashed rats who watches CNN , BBC , Fox News . At least your narratives are 100% aligning with their rhetoric . Vietnam took built islands on South China Sea, and took away islands, despite bilateral dialogues and agreements between China Abdullah Vietnam. The same situation goes to the Philippines, not to mention that it’s the US who are behind those unilateral actions by Vietnam and the Philippines to break their agreement with China , which prompted China to build more islands to assert itself. Yet this behaviour was reported on BBC and the CNN without any context. India has been supporting Dalai Lama and Tibetan separatist. Of course China would support Pakistan . It’s laughable that a county as backwards as India still think they are a influential country, while even among Taiwanese business community it’s common knowledge that Indians are opportunist, corrupt and untrustworthy who can call off any contract or agreement at anytime if there’s no contract law in places putting severe punishment onto breaking any contracts. Lastly, if you can read English, which I assume you can , which part of ‘ South China Sea’ don’t you recognize that it is part of China. And don’t just reply saying that in that sense , then ‘ Indian Ocean ‘ should be part of India. It’s laughable to even hear such counter-argument lol 😂
I'd jus question all these so-called "experts." If you don't speak proper Chinese and understand Chinese culture/history in depth, then your interpretation of the relation between China and Taiwan is most likely biased. Based upon the geo-political development throughout the past few decades in the Indo-Pacific region, the American policies dictated by short-sighted Kissinger/Nixon school has been proven a huge failure and pose a huge threat to the US interests nowadays. Chas W. Freeman, Jr. appears to be serving as a mouthpiece for the CCP. You haven't done any good to the US. But your ignorance of the geopolitical significance of Taiwan to the US is misleading the audience to believe China isn't a threat to the US by annexing Taiwan.
China is not the problem. The U.S. is the problem. The Chinese government is a problem to the Chinese... The U.S., as the #1 Rogue-and-Terrorist-State, in this Galaxy, if not the Universe, is a problem, for every one...
US had a been giving weapons to Taiwan since 1979. It’s law guaranteed by ‘ Taiwan relations act ‘ passed by congress in 1981, which clearly says that the US would provide Taiwan weapons to protect itself.
these two “academics” are living in fantasyland. Peace between Taiwan and PRC is something that takes two to tango. When you have the Chinese President constantly rambling on about how its China’s historical mission to reunify Taiwan, how it is “inevitable” it will happen and how reunification is key to China’s “national rejuvenation” even though the vast majority of Taiwanese don’t want it, then it’s obvious China never cared for peace in the first place. Just because the Chinese President isn’t a white man doesn’t mean he isn’t serious about the things he says. The world does not just revolve around white people and it’s time we stop thinking that it dies
Take a look at the constitution of Republic of China which includes Taiwan, Daoyudo (Japan calls it senkaku), South China Sea and all the islands, Mongolia, the entire China mainland. This is Chinese civil war, not an international affair. Both sides were in peace for a long time until the current Taipei government intents to change current status, intends to abandon this two China recognition It is Taipei refused to negotiate peaceful unification with Beijing which is fueled by US. I was born and raised in Taiwan and I’m a Chinese NOT just Taiwanese.
so was ww2 when Germany wanted to take back lands it lost in ww1 but which had german citizens within the borders of others, Taiwan would be invaded regardless on whatever Taiwan does because China wants Taiwan and does not care what the people there want and the USA is there because it is in US interest to have a potential other China to replace the communist chinese state if it ever imploded like the soviet union did. the USA will act in it's own interest as will any other nations.
You're wrong wrong and wrong. Taiwan has never been, Taiwan is not, and Taiwan will never be China territory... It's de facto the same for Senkaku. But China behavior is becoming a show of expansionism, which is long outdated behavior in nowadays. Japan, Australia, and U.S. will rise by all mean to crack down China. China is behaving like Germany prior WWII, looking for survival means, because China has grown to an extent it needs resources to sustain its development...and we are not looking at only Taiwan in a forseeable future here, south china sea is status now is a projection of what to come. China must be stopped even crippled down now.
taiwan was is and will always remain a part of china and there is nothing that the west can do to stop it US is by far the biggest threat to global security
Lol...Now I got it. Freeman was addressing to (or appeasing) a particular audience with mindset in line with CCP agenda. Fortunately Folks in DC, either from Trump admin or Biden admin, aren't as clueless as these people. Talking about the strategic significance of Taiwan for American international affairs, one can't ignorantly overlook Taiwan's dominance of global semiconductor supply chains. Semiconductor chips to the 21th century is what oil to the 20th century. Unfortunately it would take at least 10 years at best, more likely DECADES for us to catch up from behind unless the US is determined to steal the technology and talents from Taiwan as China has been doing for years. Examining these speakers' background and training which obviously is lacking in technology and economics, I wonder if they have sufficient knowledge of what the real stakes are for American Indo-Pacific policies. Please hire someone with better understanding of the issues to conduct important analyses. Knowing Chinese isn't enough to convince knowledgeable audience.
Although TSMC's dominance in the global semiconductor supply chains should be concerning to US policymakers as a consideration of the costs of a war in the Taiwan Straits, it is extremely unlikely to play a pivotal factor in whether or not the Chinese Civil War will resume, since the most cutting-edge chips are more useful for consumer products than military hardware. Political and cultural issues are likely to play far more of a role in the decisionmaking of Chinese and Taiwanese leaders than the presence of semiconductor plants. The lack of significant semiconductor manufacturing in the US (and the decline of US manufacturing in general) certainly should be seen as a condemnation of past policymakers for their lack of foresight. I should point out that semiconductors did appear on one of the slides that Goldstein had up at 17:30, if there wasn't as much time pressure I assume he would have mentioned it. It is certainly prudent to point out the intellectual blind spots (we all have 'em!) of public figures, but to dismiss them and their decades of experience because of a single issue they didn't devote as much time to is, I think, fairly ignorant.
Chas Freeman he served on "China National Offshore Oil Corporation's" international advisory board, From 2004 to 2008. His views/ Analysis may be bias. Freeman's justifying view of the CCP Tiananmen Square massacre. Now, Hong Hong crack down! Do yours own research!
I live in Hong Kong and his analysis of the 2019 protest is nuanced and correct, unlike the simplistic black and white caricature the world got from mainstream Western media. Most people here supported democratic protest initially, but the protesters’ indiscriminate violence proofed a bridge too far.
Who the F#ck do you think you are to tell a patriot/ public servant Amb Chas Freeman to do his own research ? He was in the NSA and kept the country safe. How about you do YOUR own research before spewing your ignorance BS around.
@@Itthew Is stating the facts "ignorance BS"?! Luckily we do have freedom in the State to do our own research. As for "Patriot", we do have many Patriot in this country! But many of us do not agree with his past and current viewpoint regarding CCP in China! NSA appointment, "Eighty-seven Chinese dissidents wrote a letter to President Obama asking him to reconsider the appointment". Hence, was not appointed to the National Intelligence Council.
For years I have been asking proof of Tiananmen "Massacre". Can you provide links and pictures so I can understand better? I found some interviews given by the students and leaders of the protest that debunks the massacre rumour. They are in Chinese though, but I can send it to you if you are interested.
The Taiwan issue is very simple, open the constitution of Taiwan Province of the Republic of China and take a look at the territorial scope stipulated in the constitution, including the Chinese mainland (People's Republic of China), Taiwan Province, Kinmen County and Matsu County in Fujian Province, and Mongolia! PROC and POC are two regimes competing for the legitimacy of ruling China. This game, China has been playing for more than 2,000 years, is a civil war, and no peace agreement has been concluded with it until now. It is still in a period of civil war. Taiwan Province is a province of the Republic of China and is also a province of the People's Republic of China. The two regimes have overlapping sovereignty and different governance powers! You always refer to Taiwan = the Republic of China, then parts of Fujian Province are also governed by the Republic of China, why don't you call Kinmen in Fujian Province the Republic of China? Your so-called democracy and freedom is to deny the Constitution of the Republic of China? Forcibly separate Taiwan Province of the Republic of China from the two regimes? BTW, I support Mexico's territorial claim to the United States for stealing his New Mexico state!🤗🤗🤗
America and the west must defend the democratic state of Tiawan. I would happily send 5 of my adult sons to defend Tiawan..Our youngest children are 13.
Must?!?! It is sad u would send your sons to defende something u know nothing about its history….but do as u please, 100 years from now u will realize what u just said is pretty stupid!
@@yongdeng1813 We understand when promises have been broken and when human rights have been abused. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" MLK Jr.
Support Taiwan anti-vassalage movement Support Japanese anti-tributary state movement Support Korean anti-tributary state movement Support Myanmar anti-tributary state movement Support Philippines anti-vassalage movement Support Vietnam anti-vassalage movement
Regarding Hong Kong, USA should admit that they were directly involved in fomenting color revolution using the CIA and NED affiliates. The Hong Kong protests were not Beijing's fault.
But Hong Kong, the Uyghur genocide, and Taiwan aggression are just a few of the lies that Washington uses to sell the gullible on its fake "Humanitarian Intervention" scam. They used the same scam for Libya, and Syria as well. Do you really expect those with a military background to acknowledge they were butchering innocents in far-off lands in the interests of Wall Street and the City of London? They much prefer to live in the cult where Iraqi WMDs never existed, where whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden couldn't be heard, and that pesky video of the US military slaughtering innocents on the ground never existed.
@@monitoradiation : f you understand the background of Orwell, that's not quite correct. Orwell hated fascists; he fought in the Spanish civil war against the fascist Franco. If you want irony; I once saw an Austrian-Libertarian call himself "Smedley Butler". I tried to explain to this fool that Butler also hated fascists and exposed the plutocrat coup (1933) against Roosevelt and the New Deal, but he also didn't understand. It's amazing how those embedded in these plutocratic cults and listen intently to the corrupt mainstream media, so willingly believe the plutocrats' version of history. I wonder why they only believe what is pumped out of plutocrat think-tanks instead of thinking for themselves? Maybe they are paid for their treachery; who knows?
@@monitoradiation : If you wish to understand this scam further, may I suggest you research the Nazi's "Operation Himmler". The German fascists used this scam to push for war with Poland (1939) just as the American fascists now use it to push for war against China. These Anglo-American fascists (CIA & MI6) always use the same scam over and over again; like clockwork. And the Rubes fall for it every time.
Mr. Freeman is a good example of smart man. You can see his speech is very clear and objective. Unfortunately, his smart idea is not the main stream in Washington. I am a Taiwanese, and hope his smart idea can become the main stream in Washington.
Do you also feel, China should have a say about the relationship of the US and Guam? What makes you think, the US has a right to intervene in national matters of China? Guam is a colony of the US, but they don't have the same rights as US citizens, they are an occupied nation... Should China arm Guam and sanction the US for not respecting the human rights of the people of Guam? Nobody has voted and elected the US as the Police and Judge of the world...
Yes, I always look up to someone who wears a face covering that has never been proven to stop you from getting infected by a "virus". It is good for virtue signaling and demonstration of global rule following.
I am a Goan Indian American & halfway thru this excellent presentation of China’s potential Military strength, the following thoughts occurred to me. 1) The Indian Armed Forces need to make this a compulsory viewing by its top military brass 2) Prime Minister Narendra Modi & the Indian Government should have NO doubt that after Taiwan, India will be next on PLA China’s menu. 3) The USA- irrespective of its military might will be NO match for China in the South China seas or the Taiwan Straits & therefore needs India as a partner & countermeasure to China at a second front in North India in the Himalayas where Chinese & Indian troops, (about 100,000) are facing each other eyeball to eyeball. The US and India desperately need each other if they are to prevail against a determined China. India’s 1.4 million people with a very disciplined army lacking up to date armaments, will be a great equalizer to 330 million Americans with superior armaments available to the Indian Armed Force, that can convince China not to disturb the Status quo, as nothing else can. Like China- India should now be Proactive & Not reactive about its “One India Policy” with Chinas claims on Aksai Chin/ Galwan/ Kashmir/ Arunachal Pradesh etc in the Himalayas. Why are Narendra Modi & the BJP so timid about intimidating the PLA when they don’t care a damn about the “One India Policy” but are so sensitive about the “One China Policy”? A great “Thank You” to brave Nancy Pelosi from this Indian- American, for bringing forward a dangerous issue to US & Indias future. Hopefully this will generate a “ Mutual Defense Pact” between India & US to come to each other’s help in the event of China’s adventurism Sydney Desouza
Only if India stops being the lying troublemaker along the border with China only then hostility can stop. Don't think too highly India that China is interested to invade it. This was revealed by Avtar Singh Bhasin, former history head for 30 years. Glad there are honest Indian intellectuals who are interested in truth and justice. th-cam.com/video/zaM0C9NunEg/w-d-xo.html
For the same reasons America has no real interest in a inter Korean peace treaty, it has no intention of “giving back” Taiwan to China. Why would it cede what it sees as leverage and military access to the first Island chain.
The US isn't about improving Taiwan lives or any target lives. It's about corporate interests and leverage. If things don't go their way they are happy to destroy instead. Destry and control.
How long does Taiwan have to be functionally independent and dealing with its own affairs in a democratic way before the civil war is in reality over? I think over 70 years is long enough. - analogy - If a couple is divorcing and one does not sign the divorce papers, then after 15 years, the one that did not sign the papers goes back to the other partner, who has been living independently with a different partner over those 15 years, and claim they are still married and claims marital rights, what would any court say about that? The real problem is with the CCP's movement away from liberalization and back to Maoist ways under Xi. They want Tiawan, the South China Sea and possibly other territories. Think of Hitler pre-WWII. ( I would think that South Korea is appreciative that we meddled in their civil war.)
@@edl653 Countries keep their sovereignty at all costs, especially China which still suffers from her broken sovereignty during the century of humiliation, Why the US did not let the confederation cede but fought a bloody civil war to keep them in the country? Trust me, Texas, Bavaria and Catalonia have much better chances of becoming independent state than Taiwan.
@@alexlazar4738 I see your point. But if the Union had not won the war, then there was a ceasing of hostilities that lasted 70 years, I doubt the Union would have tried again to defeat the confederates. I would agree that under the Xi lead CCP, Taiwan does not have a chance of becoming independent. However, if a military takeover of the Taiwan can be averted for at least 10 years, along with changes is China's regime, demographic and economic (massive recession), an opportunity for Taiwan to claim independence may come about. Timing is key, and today is not it.
I think your analysis that Beijing has no other options except military force and violence, ignores that kindness and friendship can change hearts and change politics. Beijing could begin to act responsibly and consider Taiwan's democracy and accomplishments since the civil war. The CCP could cease to be a bully and begin to think of other's concerns other than its own (South China Sea). The CCP could realize that it has reniged its promises to Hong Kong and change course restoring freedoms there. The CCP could dismantle the detention prisons in XinJiang and lossen its plan for cultural genocide. The CCP could then begin to show that its economic might can benefit ALL nations it deals with and not be a coercive weapon, such as it is using around the world now. This would show that the CCP is responsible and considerate. This might begin to change the Taiwanese people's (and the world's) view that peaceful reunification could be a possibility. The CCP has caused this dangerous situation to begin with, and is only using military force as justification while ignoring it has caused the problem in the first place by becoming the big bad bully that no one likes or wants to play with. With the CCP and Xi in power, it is unlikely that this will happen. Nevertheless, this option is still there and could prove more powerful and effective than military force. But, just because the CCP has gone down the road of war and force, doesn't mean we or the world should give in to the CCP. If we do, the CCP will take over as much of the world as they can. First Taiwan, then into the Pacific. If we don not stop the CCP in Taiwan, it will only embolden them and threaten Asia and the entire world. It's time to step up and do the work to prevent China from becoming the next warring state.
Hahaha just like the USA will give up its occupation of the Kingdom of Hawaii, return seized lands to Mexico, honor its signed tresties with the native Americans, return seized territories to Spain etc etc...hahahaha
@@motowntaiwan9079 "What aboutism does little to solve problems. In your view an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth only makes the world more harmful. There is no win win result in this thinking. The fact still remains that you attract more flies with honey than salt. The CCP is using salt. It can't seem to use honey because it only cares about itself, not the people.
There is no Chinese naval boats in the Gulf Of Mexico, there are no Chinese naval boats announced or known or even asserted by the United States anywhere near US territorial waters. But the US navy is busy in the South China Sea 10,000 miles away at the border of China. Together, who is aggressing whom would you imagine ? If you make trouble for China this is an entirely different animal here. This is and has to be understood by the American people that when you're going around rattling your sabre in the face of the Chinese, you are taking chances and making blunders on a scale that will make history, what we did in Iraq where we failed, or in Afghanistan where we failed or in Vietnam where we failed, look like child play in comparison ~Richard Wolf
Wrong way around chump. Taiwan isn’t looking to anyone but itself to achieve self determination. Others can help but Taiwan is the one who has to help itself. This is something that has been said explicitly by the Taiwanese president herself, Taiwan’s top generals and also the reason why Taiwan’s military spending is at a record level. This is all freely available and easily accessible information that you would have known by now if you weren’t so busy using youtube to bat for a country that’s blocked it
By India being “Proactive” I meant -Since China has reneged on all the understandings that China had with India since India’s Independence in 1947 & India’s recognition of the then unrecognized internationally, Govt of Mao vs Chaing- Kai shek ROC, India should: -1) Change it’s “ One China” Policy to a “ Two China” Policy & recognize the ROC ( Taiwan) as the other China, since the two are still technically at war & have not surrendered to each other. 2) Start what China was/is clandestinely doing in the Himalayan & Eastern Naxalite regions of India. Do the same In Tibet, Sinkiang & Outer Mongolia to get China out of Tibet so India & Tibet can mutually solve their Himalayan border issues without Chinas interference. China should go back to its recognized borders after WW2 that is North of the Northern Tibetan Plateau- that I still remember from my High School “ Atlas” in India. Sydney Desouza This will remind India. USA, & the world that Taiwan is or was never was a part of Communist China & all its hype & bluster should be counteracted by the US & India. China will not rashly risk all that it has achieved since WW2 by a rash invasion of Taiwan
Please keep speaking and spread your message as wide as you can. Taiwan should solve this by themselves, not to risk the lives of the sons and daughters of Americans.
@@MrM.P well, unfortunately, your source of information is full of inaccuracies. To start, there is no such thing as CCP. The fake news sources can't even get the most basic information right. Pathetic!
@@MrM.P Don't be stuipd. Even US don't have democracy. US let 800k die from COVID and refuse to do anything. Everyone wants to live, but US "democracy" tell people to die so that they can have freedom. What's the difference between US democracy and a medieval church which rejects science in the name of God?
I enjoyed this presentation, but in general I’ve noticed that academics tend to get… scared… and overestimate the import of quality over quantity. How many of these units are cohesive and tested? None. How many of these new toys are battle ready? Despite lots of quiet testing in Africa and the Middle East, still few. The rocket force is the bellwether, and recent shakeups and very public corruption cases give me reason to pause… The roc governments own worst enemy will be domestic, I agree. The psychout of potential collaborators may very well do more than actual pla combat capability.
We as American don't seem to learn from history. Take for example the VIETNAM WAR for which we had a very hard time winning. We subsequently had to give up and come back home. If we engaged in a hot military war with CHINA, the casualty and difficulty can be ten times more. Remember that China is willing to sacrifice millions of casualties to achieve its goals. In addition the country produce their own armaments and may get assistance or even direct military involvement as an ally from RUSSIA. And if the war evolved into nuclear weapons then the continued existence of HUMAN CIVILIZATION will be highly doubtful. May God save our souls !
Think you westerners in general lack any sense of reality from the recent episode from Afghanistan. A Taiwanese should be in the panel to speak for Taiwan and its people. Not you people living in a bubble to comment with some random memes.
Many thanks to the two very wise and knowledgeable guests for the informative and insightful presentation as well as Q&A. I've always admired Mr. Chas Freeman as he's a true diplomat which is a specie extinct in Washington now. I love Lyle's speech and responses too. This video needs to be spread out as much as possible.
For China there is only one acceptable outcome, the total surrender of Taiwan and the population forced into reeducation camps, so they can learn that there is only one force under the sun, namely the fascist CCP.
@@urduib Please try to get some education first so that you won't post such superficial comments any more. And stop being a product of the anti-China propaganda machine. What you're saying are the lies that they want you to believe. Btw have you even read about Beijing's offers to Taipei? For example Mr. Freeman mentioned about Jiang's proposal in 90's, part of it was as follows, "After Taiwan is reunified with the mainland, China will pursue the policy of "one country, two systems". The main part of the country will stick to the socialist system, while Taiwan will retain its current system. "Reunification does not mean that the mainland will swallow up Taiwan, nor does it mean that Taiwan will swallow up the mainland." After Taiwan's reunification with the mainland, its social and economic systems will not change, nor will its way of life and its non-governmental relations with foreign countries, which means that foreign investments in Taiwan and the non-governmental exchanges between Taiwan and other countries will not be affected. As a special administrative region, Taiwan will exercise a high degree of autonomy and enjoy legislative and independent judicial power, including that of final adjudication. It may also retain its armed forces and administer its party, governmental and military systems by itself. The Central Government will not station troops or send administrative personnel there. What is more, a number of posts in the Central Government will be made available to Taiwan." ..."on the premise that there is only one China, we are prepared to talk with the Taiwan authorities about any matter".
Worst case scenario would be for Taiwan to declare independence believing in U.S. support, then the U.S. deploys troops to the island resulting in China necessarily invading. This would be China’s worst nightmare and America’s worst provocation. Full-scale war would result.
1. you cannot invade your own country, Taiwan is part of China, separatists are criminal treason in all countries, so stop being double standards; 2. the US won't fight a hot war with a nuclear power.
When you analyze the current status of China, you can't ignore the vulnerability inside the CCP. Once the PLA launches attack on Taiwan, the current regime in Beijing may also be toppled. You can't talk about China from military perspectives alone without taking into account many economic breaking points inside China once the PLA takes actions against Taiwan's current status quo. Man proposes, but God disposes !! Respect God, Mr. Freeman !!!!
Fact 1: the PLA defeated u.s. + 26 nations in Korean war. Fact 2: the u.s. were defeated in Vietnam where China provided full supported to Vietnam during Vietnam war. In both occasions, the u.s. were defeated and I still remember seeing the marines were weeping big time during the interviews about the wars. So .....what give you the illusions?
Yea, aren't you glad any calm, rational discussions and thoughts on things of very important consequence won't reach the current mob of partisan, semi political fundamentalist clowns in DC who are CLEAR LIABILITIES to a future prosperous and united America? *rolls eyes* This would be ...lets say...just a tinny tinny tinny bit funnIER if it doesn't involve (another) possible (useless) war US have to fight and even nuclear Armageddon. What's with US CONSTANTLY getting into conflicts abroad anyway? Maybe have something to do with those that have produced useless and disastrous conflicts for the US that ended badly almost always got off with out real harm for themselves? Anyone took appropriate responsibility for Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan for the blood and treasure US lost? Maybe...oh I don't know...start skewer those responsible on a tiiiiny pointy stick and hang them from the poles while beating them like a badly filled pinata for once or twice will help inject more imperative to get things right or find alternative workable solutions? Yes? Perhaps?
@@qiandeng1296 had Americans signed up to take in all the war refugees they’d displaced instead of dumping them onto Europe, I’m sure they’d think twice before starting more wars.
The informative lecture expounded by Chaz Freeman was one well rehearsed for memories as the papers in front of him were just reminders of importance during incremental stages of his speech... Very impressively, poignantly, and well presented. Thank you!
This guy (Mr. Freeman) is Brillian! Why doesn't someboby put him in charge? Instead of what's regressing to that of a child. So Polar from the burned-out man Joe used to be once, but allows THIS WISE Silver-grandfather type understanding Gentleman who knows the history, culture, knowledge, military capabilities, having temperment, would be favored to vs others, current & future plans of China, Russia, Allies & Adversaries. He OUGHT TO BE diplomatic czar, if not run for President. We need to draw from ourself the best to solve solutions, for all by Those who know, vs figure out on the job (again, again & again, w/exception)
10% of Taiwanese want unification. By the looks of it that‘a probably higher than the percentage of the room that was filled
This is the fact the pro-appeasement side doesn’t recognize. If the US demands Taiwan reach an agreement, we would be asking Taiwan to abrogate its own democracy. That’s not going to happen.
Either self-determination is respected, or it isn’t.
And what does the other 90% want? Most people want status quo, not a fact that the "democratic" Taiwanese government respects.
When a population is deliberately kept ignorant and their opinions manipulated by the government, you can't get the true will of the people. The government is prohibiting online anti-independence speech. The Taiwanese have no clue about what kind of independence they would have after reunification. For example, they would be allowed to keep their military, all tax money would be spent on the island, etc. So your %'s mean nothing.
@@christineyoung8345 You’re using TH-cam to moan and groan about Taiwan being undemocratic when the fascist dictatorship that you want to see rule Taiwan doesn’t even allow TH-cam to operate China. Taiwan isn’t going to roll over and die all because a fringe group of white communists in the West are losing their 💩 at the sight of non white people in Asia fighting communism. Get out and go back to your side of the wall barbarian
@@christineyoung8345 Typical authoritarian argument, "the people can't be trusted to vote in their own interests!".
You're also wrong by the way, some leaders of the KMT are very openly and publicly anti-independence, and the current government wants to maintain the status quo. It's mainland China that's pushing to change the island's status.
I'll also need a source on your claim that Taiwan would be allowed to maintain its own military after reunification. That would essentially make reunification meaningless.
@@PlaYer--sn5or I second that,I agree totaly white communist are losing their sight of non white people wanting to get out of communist dictatorship.
1:21:13 Strategic position?
Do as the Chinese and deport Freeman and Goldstein to Guantanamo
*Lyle Goldstein and Chas Freeman thinking*
USA: jump
Non white person: how come?
China: jump
Non-white person: how high?
Encouraging China to fire nuclear weapons at Australia is not a wise move mr smart. This is dumb
I think you failed the class on irony
Where was ANTIFA? Working with the Chinese embassy to provide them personal security?
50:48 that's not actually what deterrence is, deterrence is how you prevent war and attempt to cool threats down by not presenting to the enemy a potential for winning, the fact that the USA has not resolved some issues is not the fault of the USA but the regimes they are dealing with, many of these nations are/were totalitarian, ideologically driven and not or barely rational actors, you use deterrence to prevent boil up of the situation and then work or buy time to prevent escalation towards conflict, this is the realist way of dealing with potential of war, the alternative would be to invade which is what the USA did in Korea once it beaten back the North korean forces that tried to invade south korea, what was the result of that? China joining the war and fighting the USA directly which btw almost led to nuclear strikes on China which may have forced the USSR to do the same in defence of China or simply to feel justified in using nukes on another target in the future, deterrence is key to preventing wars.
if China invades Taiwan the USA has to respond in a way that prevents China from claiming victory, the best situation would be for the USA to act in such a way to make something like that not happen by for example putting nukes on Taiwan or allowing Taiwan to become a NATO member or simply daring to acknowledge Taiwan, the fact the USA does not do this makes war more likely not less, deterrence is key always has been, always will be to preventing wars, though sometimes they are still inevitable.
Locke them up and send them back
Freedom of speech?
What kind of crimes did they commit ?
Who’s going to do that?
Why is it race treason for Taiwan to accept support from the West but race loyalty for Russia to accept support from the East?
what are you on about, maybe you could explain better.
"Race" is literally some made-up European shit, Marcus. Congratulations! You have now spewed white supremacism!
P.S. Russia has long been framed as Asian, which makes at least logical sense when you look at a map. Try it!
4:56 Seems like the CCP wrote his speech for him. Then he mixed it up a bit a few places.
12:00 He also seems to have a selective memory, the PLA's "warning" to Vietnam was ignored, not the sad consequences were to the PLA that got their arses kicked and ran home to declare a victory.
Yes, but they also destoryed almost half of Vietnam's industrial capability during the process*
I have seen and read many comment without sufficient and correct knowledge in terms of this matter.
Under CCP's regime, there is only one China, which is PRC (People's Republic of China). It is educated, or brainwashed, in the past 100 years in mainland China. ROC (Republic of China) Taiwan was never seen as a parallel political government equally. China also altered and brainwashed the world history within its domestic education, claiming it was Mao's CCP defeated Japan during WWII. In fact, it was Chiang Kai-shek's KMT government defended mainland China and defeated Japan, and was then ambushed by Mao's CCP right after, which forced Chiang Kai-shek led KMT government retreated to Taiwan as ROC Taiwan. ROC Taiwan was also one of the founding nations of UN. However, UN accepted CCP's PRC China years later, which put ROC Taiwan in a very bad spot internationally. Since then, ROC Taiwan developed and morphed as one of the most democratic and free nation in the world, without the taint of communism.
Why this people talking only Taiwan , China is claiming the whole South China Sea . No body can cross without chinas authorization or all should pay crossing South China Sea.
Don’t spread BS!
Does Chad plan to volunteer to fight for Emperor Xi or is he going to send Kyle to die for him?
Kyle would be asking Chad to die for him
Chas Freeman is to the West what Wang Jingwei is to the East
This is quite an apt comparison
Chas is into saving American and the world 🌍. Wang Jin Wei is to betraying Kuomintang China.
Send Goldstein and Chas to the front. I bet their views on Taiwan will change by the time they see all those body bags
I have relative on both sides. The only body bags will be because the US is using my people as cannon fodders. China will never use force on Taiwan unless a formal declaration of independence commences. Both PRC and ROC Taiwan will reunite one day. Keeping the status quo now is the key but your country is trying to provoke war by supporting separatism. Keep your filthy war mongering hands of my people.
Ukrainian Nazis have killed 14,000 Russian civilians in 8 years, jagoff. Where was the outrage then???
To me, that means Mr. Chas Freeman is acting for the best interest of USA. GOP and DEM care the result of next election only.
The U.S government should take notes from this video and pass a National Security Law that matches the exact same one the CCP passed in Hong Kong
Hardly a good idea to make themself even closer to a totalitarian state than they already are.
@@mwtrolle Yup, that's the reality.
The Chinese National Security law is actually modeled after the US National Security Act.
@@JD-yz4kr Yup. Just plain vanilla security law.
@@JD-yz4kr excellent! So the US government should do what the HK government is doing with the pro democracy protesters does but with 1000 times the righteousness and vengeance!
No commentary on the "Peaceful" reunification and destruction of Hong Kong as a prosperous and democratic territory of China. No one should agree to a unification if Hong Kong is the model!
Yeah Hong Kong was a great democracy under British rule. I think Hong Kong got their first chance to vote was in 1990 before that a lot of Chinese lived in filthy conditions and in junk boats in filthy water. If you want to go back to the early 1900 their was NO Hong Kong government.
@Eric Ke China took a wrong turn when it elected Xi as Chairman. I would say with his mentality there will be conflict continuously. You don't mention Indian conflict, Tibetan Conflict, Yugur incarceration in concentration camps. Previous war with Vietnam. Dispute over very tenuous demand for Japan's Spratley Parasol, Islands, Disputes of Islands in the South China Sea which Xi exclaimed "Will never be occupied!", Territorial Disputes with India, Tibet, Myanmar, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Russia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, South Korea, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines................Singaporean trade dependent on keeping Sea lanes open and building a formidable defense force to defend against...................America? If war may be predicted by how many international border disputes an administration has going at the same time.......................then under Xi is on the warpath and only with US backing can democracies like Taiwan prevail!
@@gryphus64 All those disputes you talk of are around China and yet you love the US wars thousands of miles away from the US which is the real trouble maker with over 800 bases around the world and now causing problems in Ukraine. The US never thinks of peaceful decisions it only knows how Militarily. Chian isn't going to invade Taiwan or India or Tibet or Vietnam or any other place tou like to mention unless it gets attacked first.
@@utubeforme2u Tibet?? Bhutan? Get your facts correct!
36:20 Is that idiot supposed to be an expert???
All ICBM's are hypersonic!
He must be thinking if hypersonic missiles and glide vehicles.
Yes, they are hard to stop and they have the potential of doing a lot of damage. There is just the problem that the missiles are not hypersonic at sea level and glide vehicles are not precise at all. The problem is that when something moves at hypersonic speed in the atmosphere they are blind and deaf. That's why we lose contact to the space capsules when they return back to earth.
Hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere result in plasma formation that results in loss of signal.
Sure they can be used for atomic warheads that do not have to hit a specific point or even more difficult a moving target like an aircraft carrier.
If we never gotten into this in the 1970 this would not be a issue
Problem is we recognized Taiwan as 'Republic' of China ( 23 million population) but wouldn't recognize Communist China as a 'NATION' ... BUT gave them VETO status in the UN..! Stupidity is the 'BASE ' of US and Western Politics.
@@braxtonshrianandan2438 since you are late to conversation and don’t know how world war 2 ended. I will say your half right!
Rejected by repubs from the chair of the National Intelligence Council by republicans, rejected by dems and repubs for defending Tiananmen, rejected by dems, repubs and indys for his appeasement of China. The only thing Chas does best is rejection
How Asia sees China
1)Japan: 90% hate
2)Phillippines:90% hate
3)South Korea:80% hate
4)India:80% hate
5)Vietnam:75% hate
6)Taiwan:70% hate
7)Indonesia:55% hate
8)Singapore:50% hate
Why India hates China
1)2020 land invasion of Ladak
2)2017 land invasion of Doklam
3)Provocations at occupied Tibet
4)Funding Naxalite terrorism
5)Funding Khalistani network
6)Funding spies
7)Colluding with anti India political parties
8)Interfering in domestic Indian journalism
9)Chinese companies Evading tax
10)Daming Brahmaputra river
11)String of Pearls strategy
12)Meddling in Indian sphere of influence. Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh
13)Pakistan-Chinese axis
14)1962 war
@@jeffchun Actually, Singapore should be 60% hate.
@@jeffchun those poll might be true, but it's so childish to quote and post it
public opinion is too easily manipulated, that's why the famous saying of an ancient Greek philosopher got recognized : crowd is ignorant
you gotta see what ruling elites think, and what they think is quite the opposite
even Vietnam openly said that she will not join the US against China, that's usually a very strong sign on diplomatic scene
@@jeffchun Only 8 countries in Asia now? Cool beans.
XJP, Lyle Goldstein and Chas Freeman. Sick men of the world
Seems like Goldstein and Freeman like the whip and chains
We should take Chas and Lyle’s advice to heart. Arrest all counter revolutionaries and send them to the gulags. That way we don’t have to deal with communists like Chas and Lyle anymore!!!!
The U.S. strategic objective regarding Taiwan should be to preserve its political and economic autonomy, its dynamism as a free society, and U.S.-allied deterrence-without triggering a Chinese attack on Taiwan. In respect to China’s current red lines, we deduce that they are: no declaration of independence by Taiwan and “no external interference,” which we interpret to mean no U.S. troop deployments in Taiwan and no security pact between the United States and Taiwan. The world is watching and so are the Chinese People on both side of Taiwan Straits . The US must keep its Naval Presence and continue trading in the complete Indo-Pacific Region and keep the sea lanes open. Who ever fires the first shot losses the support of the nations of the world and they lose RESPECT and that will be their decline. Successful diplomacy is to a large degree situational and takes place under changing circumstances, which requires tactical adjustments; the Biden administration’s continuing order of the day regarding policy toward Taiwan should be prudent caution, but not timidity. China CCP knows to be the aggressive and attack Taiwan with no justification except domination of the people of Taiwan is Political Suicide as they would be attacking their own Chinese People and that would cause an Internal Revolution on the main land and loss of face RESPECT in the world .
The current US congress and administration is emboldening the Taiwan administration to be more and more hawkish regarding overt moves towards independence effectively changing the status quo. Taiwan is moving towards an open declaration of independence with the full expectation that US lives and treasure will spill on their behalf. There is no one willing in the US to rein in this idea as no one in the US is willing to seem weak against China. Furthermore, the Taiwan Relations Act allows arming Taiwan and there have been increased calls to increasingly arm them with more and more advanced weapons such as F35s and Patriot battery systems which could spark the initiation of a conflict or an armed embargo.
What most people fail to realize is that the Chinese consider Taiwan a vestige of the Great Power imperialism and militarization during the Century of Humiliation. This was a time of a loss of sovereignty when the sick man of Asia was carved up by France, US, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, etc. The US was involved concessions in Shanghai and Tianjin and inserted themselves into the Chinese civil war supporting the fascist KMT with weapons, supplies and training. Even when the KMT suffering heavy losses from the CCP and were surrounded within the major cities, the US air dropped weapons and supplies, but the KMT still lost. When the KMT fled to Taiwan, they did not flee to another country or invade another country, but instead fled to another section of China taking with them a large amount of the national treasury, gold, historical art and treasure. The US then sent the US Navy 7th Fleet to prevent a Taiwanese conquest and a finale to the civil war and threaten Mao with nuclear weapons if invasion occurred. The CCP never ruled Taiwan the same reason why the CCP never ruled Shanghai before the KMT was defeated in Shanghai or never ruled the largest island Hainan before the KMT was defeated in Hainan: they were a new party. The CCP never signed any end of the war and recently unclassified documents showed that the KMT was seeking US assistance to reinvade China up to the 70s.
The fact that the CCP was a ground military and was too weak to invade Taiwan that became a US protectorate by no way means the civil war ended when the KMT fled to Taiwan. The fact that Taiwan is a democracy now is irrelevant to the CCP as it was a fascist state in the past and the CCP still wanted to defeat the KMT.
@@andrewareva4605 times have changed. China and the world are intertwined financially and with trade. An attack on Taiwan would be economic suicide for china. The ccp might prevail from a military point of view by creating area denial but trade sanctions would cause starvation in china.
@@rodgerhempfing2921 The international community should push for a peaceful resolution to this conflict whether it be reunification or separation. It takes two to tango and the fact that the US is moving towards conflict through aggressive rhetoric, arming Taiwan and sea war games in the area rather than urging both sides to negotiate suggests that someone wants war. The US has a lot of leverage with the Taiwanese administration and the Chinese but clearly the yachts of defense contractor executives don't buy themselves.
@@andrewareva4605 well, one party, two systems in HK turned out to be a lie, so there is little trust in what the ccp promises.
@@rodgerhempfing2921 The HK situation was seen as a sign by Taiwan, but by no means reflects the conditions Taiwan will face. Deng offered Taiwan autonomy, democracy, their own military, non interference in trade etc, in exchange for Beijing representation in international bodies. Taiwan refused at that time. It is unclear whether Taiwan would get similar terms now, but the lack of negotiation means that nothing could be achieved.
Moreover, you should read more about the details on the ground regarding HK. This American Life did a piece that demonstrated HK protestor's xenophobic view of mainland Chinese and their open desire to kill police. Germany's DW did an interview with Joey Siu and she refused to condemn violence and could be seen as absolutely insane. The protests began benign, but later resorted to extreme violence that demonstrators would not be tolerated in the US. For example, HK used hundreds of Molotov's against police as well as arrows and killed a random bystanders with a pro-China view. In NYC during the Black Lives Matter protest, two lawyers threw a Molotov into an empty NYPD SUV and was arrested and sentenced to felonies. HK protests disrupted the city for months. Trump called in the National Guard after 2 weeks. All violence and disruption was justified as a protest for democracy. There were HK protestors openly demanding foreign military intervention waving Trump flags which would be considered treason. Imagine if BLM protestors waved Russian and Putin flags. Nevertheless, HK is still ruled by laws that differ from the mainland with HK Basic Law that enshrines certain personal freedoms. The protestors did not achieve their goals as their goals were insane (e.g. complete immunity after months of violence) and only accelerated Beijing's transition to authoritarianism with the National Security law and the Beijing's selection of candidates. Whereas a large percent of the population supported the initial protests, the violence and disruption to the city months later especially after Beijing retracted the extradition law resulted in only extremists continuing to support them.
13:35 Taiwan don't say they aren't part of China, just that they are not part of the PRC and never have been so!
Grammar!
> The CCP says they are going to attack the US carriers preemptively and then Taiwan.
> The shepherds flock was threatened by the wolf, so the shepherd got a dog. The dogs’ teeth were not sharper or its bite more vicious than the wolf, but the wolf would rather go hungry than face the dog.
> The free world cannot afford to let the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) take Taiwan. Taiwan is strategically located at the center of the first island chain. It would complete their control of the chain less Japan. It would become yet another island military base and give the CCP a deep-water Pacific port to conceal their nuclear subs threatening the U.S. Japan knows it would be next, if not targeted at the same time and after that the Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, Vladivostok and eventually the US. The CCP would use Taiwan to cut the trade routes and threaten free countries who do not yield to its’ will or relinquish territory and resources. Japan would be first. Appeasement “Peace in our time” did not work for Chamberlain it will not work now. [Maybe they should be called the NAZI party, except for the symbols it is hard to tell the difference.]
> The CCP believes it is on the verge of global domination. The Quad Alliance (Australia, India, Japan, United States) and now others is the only organization that could stand up to the CCP. If the Quad+ does nothing other countries will say the Quad+ ether could not or would not stop the CCP and so they cannot. They would have to aqueous to all the CCPs demands and over time lose their sovereignty to the CCP. Eventually the CCP would become so powerful that the free world would have to do so too. The CCP would impose its propaganda/censorship/surveillance empire not just to Mongolia, Turkestan, Tibet, Hong Kong and now Taiwan, and later the rest of the world. Free speech would evaporate globally. Democracy would become a distant memory. Concentration camps would proliferate worldwide.
> IT WILL START LIKE THIS: The CCP assumes the Quad+ alliance will help Taiwan. In their version of the NAZI “OPERATION SEA LION” the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) attacks the Quad+ carriers and air force bases with 100s of missiles each preemptively in the belief that a demoralized Quad+ will withdraw or be delayed leaving Taiwan defenseless. If they are wrong this is economic suicide. If wrong, at great cost the Quad+ destroys the PLA navy, the maritime militia, takes the military islands, and closes the Strait of Malacca to the CCP. The Quad+ maintains constant military and economic pressure on the CCPs” Military Industrial Complex” with standoff weapons and in time, more available and less expensive gravity, or glide bombs. The CCP has alienated every country on its border. Sum would see opportunity and attack China once the PLA has been weekend, for reasons of their own. With their massive numerical advantage invading mainland China is not an option. It would result in massive casualties, lots of collateral damage, risk a nuclear exchange and become a protracted war without further achievement. Regime change might be a little too ambitious. Inflicting casualties on the PLA would only make them stronger as they already have more people than their land will support (1.4 billion, four times the US population and four times the number of mouths to feed with the same amount of land). China is not self-sufficient in oil, coal, natural gas, food, water, iron ore, rare earth ore, agricultural seed, and other things. A war in China’s front yard would in and of itself stop all Chinese trade and maritime poaching operations. The Chinese economy would collapse and maybe their trading partners as well. You would think that would be enough to deter them and MAYBE IT HAS? A negotiated peace or even a cease fire would not work as the CCP would never honor any deal it made, rearm, and try again. The only thing that would stop the CCP is the inability to attack. Containment would be the order of the day, the decade or longer. There would be no exit strategy. Perpetual war? With all deference to Binkov’s Battlegrounds the object of the exercise would be to protect Taiwan, stop CCP “Lebensraum” (expansionism), keep the international sea lanes open, and eliminate the threat to and theft of resources from other countries, NOT the conquering of China. As tempting as regime change would be that is an extremely ambitious goal requiring an uprising of the Chinese people, who all have Stockholm Syndrome against their CCP masters.
> The CCP is watching the Quad+ reorganize, reprioritize, reequip with new technology, build capability and alliances in the SCS. This might be enough to deter them. If not, maybe the US should dust off the 1941 “Lend-Lease Act” or Canada the “Mutual Aid Act”? What ever happened to “The Arsenal of Democracy”? Does the free world really need to charge Taiwan the full price for the military supplies and equipment they are buying? Should little Taiwan wildly overmatched bear the burden of defending freedom and democracy worldwide? If there is a war, there will be no winners only losers. An economic war or cold war is a lot less expensive and a lot less bloody. The only way to really win a war is not to fight one. The CCP has been fighting a cold war with the free world for the last 50 years. I wonder if an arms race might help bankrupt the CCP the same way it did the Soviet Union? Maybe the CCP thinks it can bankrupt the Quad or at least Taiwan?
> The CCP cannot leave power gracefully. They have broken too many of their own laws and done too many horrendous things to the Chinese people. Right now, the CCP has Sovern immunity abroad and institutional immunity at home. They will destroy the Chinese people before they leave power.
I am glad I am not a coward like this so called expert!
Chas Freeman reminded me of Josef Goebbels. Lyle Goldstein reminded me of Lord Haw Haw
You remind me of Bernays...or Hoover. Nice dress.
these two need to show up and enlist
Your thinking is totally mixed up. They are advising caution & realism against involving the US in any military interference. If you disagree, then YOU should enlist - far be it for them with their rationale to do so.
@@spidermann1256 lol realism? What realism? the one that recommended surrender to the Nazis when they were pillaging and raping their way through Europe?
@@zephonnohpez What has surrendering to the Nazis in Europe got to do with anything discussed here? What planet are you on?!
@@spidermann1256 because that’s the kind of sh!t you are arguing for! Taiwan surrendering to China is the same as Europe surrendering to Nazis!
@@zephonnohpez ?Huh? The 2 situations are poles apart! Just for starters, WW2 was because mainly the Germans were smarting over the reparations imposed on them after WW1 & the Jews were convenient scapegoats + the concept of Lebenstraum. The territories comprised separate sovereign states, with one invading others.
Whereas the PRC & Taiwan is a continuation of an unresolved civil war over ONE SOVEREIGN state, which would have been resolved had the US not intervened in the Korean civil war, which forced the PRC away from the Taiwan theatre to protect her flank with N. Korea.
You clearly do not understand even the basics.
What bunch of absolute BS!
After listening to such a large bunch of cowards I need a bath.
He says that Australia won't be sufficiently armed for 20 years, so won't be able to do anything.
Australia's allies would arm them. America would arm them to the teeth and make them immediately formidable. I'm suprised he didn't think of it.
Taiwan is none of Australia's business.
@@gti500 Yes it is
@@gti500 they do not want to be invaded by a communist country, so all democracies care. And organ harvesting of prisoners is a crime against humanity.
Arming Taiwan "to the teeth" would change the current status quo and likely trigger an immediate Chinese invasion. Would you think the Chinese would sit idly by as this happens?
@@MaroonedInDub What makes you think Australia would be willing to lose Sydney and Melbourne into rubble just to defend Taiwan?
A lot of fancy words, but not a lot of real solutions.
When Chas Freeman shared his misunderstanding that China has been reluctant to form alliances (1:18;50), the whole talk fell apart. China has established an alliance with Pakistan, a terrorist nation. China (the CCP) is giving Pakistan warships to have an ally in controlling the Indian ocean. China has also pledged to give Pakistan missiles equipped with nuclear warheads. China is actively preparing for war, not merely building a military in general terms, and the war will be on multiple fronts, not only in the South-China Sea. The ugliest part of it all: China is gambling on radicalized Islamists being the ones to launch the first nuclear strike.
Pakistan is an American alley; you know that don’t you?
@Eric Ke China's turn for what?
@Eric Ke China is Pakistan’s biggest supporter. I don’t know what you want to say
Roti curry is nice in India 🇮🇳
I am glad Chas Freeman was not in the Roosevelt administration during WWII. Neville Chamberlain would be proud.
Is Taiwanreally a internal affair, because if it falls, what falls next? Japan believes they will he next.
U really dont know anything about geopolitic in asia. The fact is china dont give a shit about taking over japan. Go study the history… and stop making these ignorant comment!
@@yongdeng1813 history has never had a rising CCP with increasing nationalism being used to replace slowing living standards.
@@yongdeng1813 What about the Diaoyu islands? Sure, China doesn't care about other countries because it will just claim all their territory as its own. Like in the South China Sea- Philippines. Duh, The CCP has no credibility.
@@yongdeng1813 Huh, they have tried to invade Japan in History, they keep trying to take over Japanese islands. History tells us that giving in to totalitarian regime's territorial ambitions just end up leaving them wanna have more and thinking they can get it with force.
@@rodgerhempfing2921 Actually we have, the CCP is much like the Nazis or the Soviets.
Why isn’t Chas Freeman in jail yet?
Because America is not a totalitarian country like China
why isn't Biden in jail yet?
Why is the USA a mafia state with the blind leading the blind? Can't those losers see that their dreams of never ending war is stupid & suicidal? Could someone please tell them about karma/inescapable divine justice?!
I feel I lost braincells listening to this drivel.
The Ambassador is dead wrong and sees no further than his legacy. If he's not an unwitting fool, then he's gone native. He spent too much time in China and has lost his perspective. The Chinese are experts as they themselves say in managing barbarians. The diplomacy of the past and strategic ambiguity does not and will not work anymore nor should it simply because China is now in a position to take. Contrary to his claims of being a realist, the Ambassador shows his true idiocy by his remarks of mutual respect and cooperation. This kind of language used in conjunction with Taiwan is appeasement and a surrender of vital political, economic and military US interests. Should the US abandon Taiwan, the US will lose Asia and be permanently removed from it. China will not only gain a political victory at home and abroad but a military asset that will reinforce its plan to dominate the Western Pacific. With its region pacified, China will be free to roam abroad and intrude upon American interests elsewhere. Those who seek to avoid war will only fight a war later at a time and place not of their choosing with no friends while being greatly disadvantaged. People can stand hypocrites. People do not forgive losers. The abandonment of Taiwan will be America's Waterloo.
If the goal of these idiots and fools is to avoid nuclear war, what's there to stop China from doing whatever it wants conventionally? Are these idiots and fools willing to resort to nuclear war should the US lose conventionally to China? Because of America's failure to act now, the US could become the Russia of tomorrow. A whole lot of nukes to wave about but not much else.
After listening to the Q&A, this ambassador is even more infuriating. He talks nonstop about how the Chinese no longer believes or trusts the US anymore. About how the situation between the US and China is deteriorating. Ambassador! Consider the diplomacy of the past that was either initiated by China or agreed to by China as a ploy to buy time until China could establish a technological and economic foundation to challenge the US. They told the world their plans and the world did not listen. Hide and bide. Now, they no longer need to hide. So, they take. Are people that stupid to take on faith the words of an authoritarian let alone an authoritarian state? Whether through peaceful means or through force, Taiwan loses its democracy either way. So, why the insistence on the US being consistent with the One China policy and a diplomatic solution knowing full well the outcome of that decision? The US may have avoided war but in turn has condemned twenty million. In such a scenario, the people of the world will see it for what it is despite America's attempt to convince itself and the rest of the world otherwise. The US has only postponed a conflict with China but with a massive hit to morale at home and abroad with no credibility and a weaker position militarily in the Western Pacific. America and Americans had better get their shit together and get their asses on the job. Despite America's failings and there are many, the US is still the best country for its freedoms and persistence that the world be as well. No other country does it and has the power to do so. As humans come into the world kicking and screaming, the world too needs a cop on the beat to make the world a better place.
I had to go back and check to make sure I didn't misshear and he was actually the Chinese ambassador to the US. He spent too much time there and is obviously in their pocket at this point. He even confused the other speaker onto thinking that he was advocating a US lead reunification process. He talked about "the US solved it's independence by itself" it kinda ignores all the help we got from the french. *Maybe we shouldn't have liberated western Europe from Germany twice. It wasn't our problem.* Like minded freedom loving people have to look out for each other. When we don't, we lose. This man's a tool of the PRC and this institute lost credibility by hosting him.
100% this. America stepping down to let another liberty respecting democratic rejime take it's shot on the world stage is plausabe, but ceeding that to an autocratic rejime that still is stuck in a 1930's mentality? No. It's no longer about Taiwan. It's about preventing THAT and THAT is what we would be willing to fight die loose cities and vanquish the enemy over. That's a far stronger need than reunifying with some bit of territory.
Black people have Uncle Ben
Yellow people have Uncle Chan
Brown people have Uncle Juan
White people have Uncle Chas+Lyle
And Andrew has Nazi jokes.
Freeman served on the international advisory board of the state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corp. He joined the board in 2004, one year before the company made an unsuccessful bid to purchase the American energy company Unocal. Since then, CNOOC has been a source of worry for lawmakers from both Democrats and Republicans for money laundering and undermining US sanctions
It really doesn’t matter whether he works for the Chinese or not, tell me what he said that is incorrect and then dispute that
@@timneaves519 if he was calling for defending Taiwan and served on the board of a US government company you’d be crawling all over it like maggots over garbage. Don’t act like you wouldn’t
Thanks, makes sense. Dudes even reading the entire speech.
I knew he was a CHICOM mole
@@karmy5358 I’ve noticed in life that racist people have very low IQs that’s why they can’t debate you on an issue they always have to use derogative talk.
Traitors
Chad Freeman and Lyle Goldstein. Two servants, one master
China is so bad : th-cam.com/video/AzelLBYsPFo/w-d-xo.html
@@guestonearth1274 fully agreed China is terrible. Another example th-cam.com/video/IZNudcvdzXo/w-d-xo.html
Chas and Lyle. Tweedledee and tweedledumb
China wants to do Taiwan what Japan did to China, so Taiwan has every right to do to China what America did to Japan
Nonsense. Do you know what civil war means?
Looking at the arrogance and ignorance of the average American scares me. I don't see any hope of peace in US.
Ambassador Freeman give a very frank views and assessment on the US,China and Taiwan issues.Make very good and sound recommendations how how it could be handle without the risk of nuclear war. The most frank and informative discussion.
If supporting democracy means supporting white supremacy, then doesn’t this also mean that supporting communism means supporting yellow supremacy?
you make no sense, neither have got any color. Communism was invented in the UK and was mainly spread by the USSR both mainly white nations.
@@mwtrolle I think Marcus meant "Communism with Chinese characteristics"
@@johnmyers6117 :P
@@mwtrolle Communism was invented in the UK-> You didn't go to school
Yes
Mr. Freeman and Mr. Goldstein are rare voices of rationality. Unfortunately they are not on main stream press so American people can't hear them. US is poking China on Taiwan just like US and NATO had been poking Russia on Ukraine before Russia decided to fight a war. Ukraine is an independent country recognized by Russia and Russia still decided to go to war. Taiwan is part of China and China has always insisted on her sovereignty over Taiwan. Anyone who think China can let Taiwan go without a fight is crazy.
will China’s illegal involvement in Myanmar’s Civil War cause the CCP to end with a bang or a whimper? Will China’s illegal involvement in Korean Civil War cause the CCP to end with a bang or a whimper? Maybe they should ask those questions first!
Who wrote the laws you're alleging muh See See Pee is breaking, putz? 🤔
C. Freeman has the best understanding of US China Taiwan situation! He is courageous and very helpful in sharing his brilliant observations! Many thanks!
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China: bark
Lyle: woof!
Chas: woof woof!
great counter arguments
12:48 The changes in Taiwan's stands mainly come from the population seeing what happened in HK and how the CCP's words are worthless.
I agree. Who in their right mind would fall for that ploy again. The CCP has a credibility problem, big time. They are actually responsible for creating the dangerous situation today. It seems they wanted this all along.
@@johnmyers6117don't think so, think Xi wanted more than one thing and thought he could have his cake and eat it too.
Think that is something he has got away with too often already, in other areas. For instance, they are still a developing country and therefore have to get money from their nations to support them grow, while they are playing that they are the strongest economy and use it to force others do they bitting.
They are part of the WTO and the open market, they buy a lot of companies an invest and sell their products cheaply, While they are self a close market, there are lots of restrictions on imports, and difficulties in investing there on equal terms.
Also, all the NED money and CIA types finally conceded on HK and shifted to Taiwan. And Myanmar.
@Eric Ke After the CCP abolished freedoms and reneged on their promises in Hong Kong, cultural genocide in Xinjiang and the initial covering up of COVID-19, and the Tiananmen Square massacre, how much CREDIBILITY does the CCP have in this world? What happened to all those missing drivers drown in the tunnel in Zhengzhou? I hear people are starving inside their homes in Xi'an. Quit lying to yourself and your family. Stop treating your own countrymen like cattle. Learn to be a real human being. Quit the CCP!
LOL TWese intelligence did a lot of heavy lifting in HK to help Tsai get re-elected.
_”The US needs to recognize that China has red lines which have to be respected”_
And since when has China ever respected the “red lines” of other countries? Kashmir is a red line for India but that does not stop China from ganging up with Pakistan to build roads and bridges on land that India claims. The South China Sea is a red line for Philippines and Vietnam but that does not stop China from plundering their resources in THEIR eez. By all means talk about red lines but let’s be fair about whose red lines we are talking about
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You Hindutva nutters are truly out to lunch. Nobody in Kashmir and Jammu wants to be Indian...so what right have you to tell them? Imperialist pigs, like your British masters!
You seem to be one of those brainwashed rats who watches CNN , BBC , Fox News . At least your narratives are 100% aligning with their rhetoric . Vietnam took built islands on South China Sea, and took away islands, despite bilateral dialogues and agreements between China Abdullah Vietnam. The same situation goes to the Philippines, not to mention that it’s the US who are behind those unilateral actions by Vietnam and the Philippines to break their agreement with China , which prompted China to build more islands to assert itself. Yet this behaviour was reported on BBC and the CNN without any context. India has been supporting Dalai Lama and Tibetan separatist. Of course China would support Pakistan . It’s laughable that a county as backwards as India still think they are a influential country, while even among Taiwanese business community it’s common knowledge that Indians are opportunist, corrupt and untrustworthy who can call off any contract or agreement at anytime if there’s no contract law in places putting severe punishment onto breaking any contracts. Lastly, if you can read English, which I assume you can , which part of ‘ South China Sea’ don’t you recognize that it is part of China. And don’t just reply saying that in that sense , then ‘ Indian Ocean ‘ should be part of India. It’s laughable to even hear such counter-argument lol 😂
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46:00 But the brits did not have nuclear weapons, missiles, and planes. Also, they didn't have a huge numerical advantage.
32:20 practically says Taiwan needs to get nukes.
I'd jus question all these so-called "experts." If you don't speak proper Chinese and understand Chinese culture/history in depth, then your interpretation of the relation between China and Taiwan is most likely biased. Based upon the geo-political development throughout the past few decades in the Indo-Pacific region, the American policies dictated by short-sighted Kissinger/Nixon school has been proven a huge failure and pose a huge threat to the US interests nowadays.
Chas W. Freeman, Jr. appears to be serving as a mouthpiece for the CCP. You haven't done any good to the US. But your ignorance of the geopolitical significance of Taiwan to the US is misleading the audience to believe China isn't a threat to the US by annexing Taiwan.
China is not the problem. The U.S. is the problem. The Chinese government is a problem to the Chinese... The U.S., as the #1 Rogue-and-Terrorist-State, in this Galaxy, if not the Universe, is a problem, for every one...
Chas Freeman should have his citizenship revoked and all his military awards auctioned off to a charity
Oh, so you have opinions about other countries and who should be citizens of them? How very interesting... 😂😂😂
these two insignificant give out talks to nobodies and in return the United States give out weapons to Taiwan hahahahahaha
The laughs' on you. US do not 'give out weapons'. They make you by old models at exorbitant prices. It's what keeps their MIC going. Dummy.
US gave weapons to Afghanistan too
US had a been giving weapons to Taiwan since 1979. It’s law guaranteed by ‘ Taiwan relations act ‘ passed by congress in 1981, which clearly says that the US would provide Taiwan weapons to protect itself.
Tell that to the uyghurs
Run from a bully/Devil and he will chase you.
This talk is the sort of nonsense that gets Asians beat up in the West
Taiwan voted to leave china tough cookies for china I would rather ally with Taiwan than china.
these two “academics” are living in fantasyland. Peace between Taiwan and PRC is something that takes two to tango. When you have the Chinese President constantly rambling on about how its China’s historical mission to reunify Taiwan, how it is “inevitable” it will happen and how reunification is key to China’s “national rejuvenation” even though the vast majority of Taiwanese don’t want it, then it’s obvious China never cared for peace in the first place. Just because the Chinese President isn’t a white man doesn’t mean he isn’t serious about the things he says. The world does not just revolve around white people and it’s time we stop thinking that it dies
the us is in Taiwan at Taiwan’s request unlike the student spies that China sends to Taiwan or the US without requests from either
@Eric Ke we can introduce your PLA to such “toys” and we can also introduce them to some excellent funeral services
Taiwan isn't even a sovereign government. This would be like if the Cleveland Browns asked the PLA to bomb Soldier Field! 😂😂😂
Take a look at the constitution of Republic of China which includes Taiwan, Daoyudo (Japan calls it senkaku), South China Sea and all the islands, Mongolia, the entire China mainland. This is Chinese civil war, not an international affair. Both sides were in peace for a long time until the current Taipei government intents to change current status, intends to abandon this two China recognition It is Taipei refused to negotiate peaceful unification with Beijing which is fueled by US. I was born and raised in Taiwan and I’m a Chinese NOT just Taiwanese.
funny to think that weather you are Chinese or Taiwanese, is a decision you can make as an individual.
so was ww2 when Germany wanted to take back lands it lost in ww1 but which had german citizens within the borders of others, Taiwan would be invaded regardless on whatever Taiwan does because China wants Taiwan and does not care what the people there want and the USA is there because it is in US interest to have a potential other China to replace the communist chinese state if it ever imploded like the soviet union did.
the USA will act in it's own interest as will any other nations.
You're wrong wrong and wrong. Taiwan has never been, Taiwan is not, and Taiwan will never be China territory... It's de facto the same for Senkaku.
But China behavior is becoming a show of expansionism, which is long outdated behavior in nowadays. Japan, Australia, and U.S. will rise by all mean to crack down China.
China is behaving like Germany prior WWII, looking for survival means, because China has grown to an extent it needs resources to sustain its development...and we are not looking at only Taiwan in a forseeable future here, south china sea is status now is a projection of what to come.
China must be stopped even crippled down now.
@@africaplus351 some one is in denial
taiwan was is and will always remain a part of china and there is nothing that the west can do to stop it
US is by far the biggest threat to global security
Disappointing I was hoping for an academic debate. Seems really one sided from china view not USA Balanced would be better and more credible
Do you also demand "balance" of Amerikkkan agitprop outlets like MSMBC, Fock Snooze and See-An-N? Or just when it's off-message?
Chas was in a really one-sided talk, pity on him.
I agree, he sounds like he is reading from a script. .... ... :) from ccp.
@@nkristianschmidt yes, at least 90% of the time.
Lol...Now I got it. Freeman was addressing to (or appeasing) a particular audience with mindset in line with CCP agenda. Fortunately Folks in DC, either from Trump admin or Biden admin, aren't as clueless as these people.
Talking about the strategic significance of Taiwan for American international affairs, one can't ignorantly overlook Taiwan's dominance of global semiconductor supply chains. Semiconductor chips to the 21th century is what oil to the 20th century. Unfortunately it would take at least 10 years at best, more likely DECADES for us to catch up from behind unless the US is determined to steal the technology and talents from Taiwan as China has been doing for years. Examining these speakers' background and training which obviously is lacking in technology and economics, I wonder if they have sufficient knowledge of what the real stakes are for American Indo-Pacific policies. Please hire someone with better understanding of the issues to conduct important analyses. Knowing Chinese isn't enough to convince knowledgeable audience.
Although TSMC's dominance in the global semiconductor supply chains should be concerning to US policymakers as a consideration of the costs of a war in the Taiwan Straits, it is extremely unlikely to play a pivotal factor in whether or not the Chinese Civil War will resume, since the most cutting-edge chips are more useful for consumer products than military hardware. Political and cultural issues are likely to play far more of a role in the decisionmaking of Chinese and Taiwanese leaders than the presence of semiconductor plants. The lack of significant semiconductor manufacturing in the US (and the decline of US manufacturing in general) certainly should be seen as a condemnation of past policymakers for their lack of foresight.
I should point out that semiconductors did appear on one of the slides that Goldstein had up at 17:30, if there wasn't as much time pressure I assume he would have mentioned it. It is certainly prudent to point out the intellectual blind spots (we all have 'em!) of public figures, but to dismiss them and their decades of experience because of a single issue they didn't devote as much time to is, I think, fairly ignorant.
Taiwans is strategicaly important because of where it is. An unsinkable aircraft carrier right on Commie China’s doorstep
Chas Freeman he served on "China National Offshore Oil Corporation's" international advisory board, From 2004 to 2008. His views/ Analysis may be bias. Freeman's justifying view of the CCP Tiananmen Square massacre. Now, Hong Hong crack down! Do yours own research!
I live in Hong Kong and his analysis of the 2019 protest is nuanced and correct, unlike the simplistic black and white caricature the world got from mainstream Western media. Most people here supported democratic protest initially, but the protesters’ indiscriminate violence proofed a bridge too far.
Who the F#ck do you think you are to tell a patriot/ public servant Amb Chas Freeman to do his own research ? He was in the NSA and kept the country safe. How about you do YOUR own research before spewing your ignorance BS around.
@@Itthew Is stating the facts "ignorance BS"?! Luckily we do have freedom in the State to do our own research. As for "Patriot", we do have many Patriot in this country! But many of us do not agree with his past and current viewpoint regarding CCP in China! NSA appointment, "Eighty-seven Chinese dissidents wrote a letter to President Obama asking him to reconsider the appointment". Hence, was not appointed to the National Intelligence Council.
For years I have been asking proof of Tiananmen "Massacre".
Can you provide links and pictures so I can understand better?
I found some interviews given by the students and leaders of the protest that debunks the massacre rumour.
They are in Chinese though, but I can send it to you if you are interested.
@@poseidon61 th-cam.com/video/kMKvxJ-Js3A/w-d-xo.html
The Taiwan issue is very simple, open the constitution of Taiwan Province of the Republic of China and take a look at the territorial scope stipulated in the constitution, including the Chinese mainland (People's Republic of China), Taiwan Province, Kinmen County and Matsu County in Fujian Province, and Mongolia! PROC and POC are two regimes competing for the legitimacy of ruling China. This game, China has been playing for more than 2,000 years, is a civil war, and no peace agreement has been concluded with it until now. It is still in a period of civil war. Taiwan Province is a province of the Republic of China and is also a province of the People's Republic of China. The two regimes have overlapping sovereignty and different governance powers! You always refer to Taiwan = the Republic of China, then parts of Fujian Province are also governed by the Republic of China, why don't you call Kinmen in Fujian Province the Republic of China? Your so-called democracy and freedom is to deny the Constitution of the Republic of China? Forcibly separate Taiwan Province of the Republic of China from the two regimes? BTW, I support Mexico's territorial claim to the United States for stealing his New Mexico state!🤗🤗🤗
Chas Freeman isn’t a “distinguished guest”. The only thing distinguished about him is how terrible his ideas are
Because they are different from what you are familiar with?
@@leesophie2678 since when does China tolerate different views?
@@rmarsden5610 Haha, I can not be scared away by your BS.
@@leesophie2678 Why would any one be scared of you?
@@rmarsden5610 Ask yourself, if you do want to know.
China has all the time in the world and not in a hurry.
Taiwan would have plenty of time to prepare and turn its beaches into a bloodbath for the PLA. It’s called open source intel
@Eric Ke 50 cent army is the toughest soldier anyone can find behind a screen 😂
Time, yes proabably, but where comes the money?*
@@sheli6619 Is that how much you make per (short, meaningless) comment?
@@sheli6619 _Joined 3 months ago ¤ No subscribers_ 🤔🤔🤔
America and the west must defend the democratic state of Tiawan. I would happily send 5 of my adult sons to defend Tiawan..Our youngest children are 13.
Must?!?! It is sad u would send your sons to defende something u know nothing about its history….but do as u please, 100 years from now u will realize what u just said is pretty stupid!
@@yongdeng1813 history repeats ,I would much rather fight the Devil/CCP in the Pacific than in North America!!
@@yongdeng1813 =This channel doesn't have any content=bot..
@@yongdeng1813 We understand when promises have been broken and when human rights have been abused. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" MLK Jr.
What? America talking about promise? Stop pretend that you don't know how your government works.
They need to see a doctor for their Stockholm syndrome. It’s embarrassing even for a chinese apologist
Support Taiwan anti-vassalage movement
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Chad Freeman and Lyle Goldstein. Two apologist, one payroll
These trophy wives make me sick
Regarding Hong Kong, USA should admit that they were directly involved in fomenting color revolution using the CIA and NED affiliates. The Hong Kong protests were not Beijing's fault.
@Richard you are right they totally dare not mention it just the brain death stupid youngers
But Hong Kong, the Uyghur genocide, and Taiwan aggression are just a few of the lies that Washington uses to sell the gullible on its fake "Humanitarian Intervention" scam. They used the same scam for Libya, and Syria as well. Do you really expect those with a military background to acknowledge they were butchering innocents in far-off lands in the interests of Wall Street and the City of London? They much prefer to live in the cult where Iraqi WMDs never existed, where whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden couldn't be heard, and that pesky video of the US military slaughtering innocents on the ground never existed.
@@animalfarm7467 Ironic comment, given your moniker.
@@monitoradiation : f you understand the background of Orwell, that's not quite correct. Orwell hated fascists; he fought in the Spanish civil war against the fascist Franco. If you want irony; I once saw an Austrian-Libertarian call himself "Smedley Butler". I tried to explain to this fool that Butler also hated fascists and exposed the plutocrat coup (1933) against Roosevelt and the New Deal, but he also didn't understand. It's amazing how those embedded in these plutocratic cults and listen intently to the corrupt mainstream media, so willingly believe the plutocrats' version of history. I wonder why they only believe what is pumped out of plutocrat think-tanks instead of thinking for themselves? Maybe they are paid for their treachery; who knows?
@@monitoradiation : If you wish to understand this scam further, may I suggest you research the Nazi's "Operation Himmler". The German fascists used this scam to push for war with Poland (1939) just as the American fascists now use it to push for war against China. These Anglo-American fascists (CIA & MI6) always use the same scam over and over again; like clockwork. And the Rubes fall for it every time.
Mr. Freeman is a good example of smart man. You can see his speech is very clear and objective. Unfortunately, his smart idea is not the main stream in Washington. I am a Taiwanese, and hope his smart idea can become the main stream in Washington.
But as he said, it is up to Taiwanese people, not Washington, to solve the problem. Washington is just there to sell the weapons.
Do you also feel, China should have a say about the relationship of the US and Guam? What makes you think, the US has a right to intervene in national matters of China?
Guam is a colony of the US, but they don't have the same rights as US citizens, they are an occupied nation... Should China arm Guam and sanction the US for not respecting the human rights of the people of Guam?
Nobody has voted and elected the US as the Police and Judge of the world...
@@kaimanyu586 totally agree my man😁😁👍👍😃😃👍👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳
Yes, I always look up to someone who wears a face covering that has never been proven to stop you from getting infected by a "virus". It is good for virtue signaling and demonstration of global rule following.
Maybe Lyle has committed war crimes so he cover his history by joining Chinese Mainland Army
So he's like the Nazis who did Katyń, and Polish nationalists covered for? Cool.
I am a Goan Indian American & halfway thru this excellent presentation of China’s potential
Military strength, the following thoughts occurred to me.
1) The Indian Armed Forces need to make this a compulsory viewing by its top military brass
2) Prime Minister Narendra Modi & the Indian Government should have NO doubt that after Taiwan, India will be next on PLA China’s menu.
3) The USA- irrespective of its military might will be NO match for China in the South China seas or the Taiwan Straits & therefore needs India as a partner & countermeasure to China at a second front in North India in the Himalayas where Chinese & Indian troops, (about 100,000) are facing each other eyeball to eyeball.
The US and India desperately need each other if they are to prevail against a determined China.
India’s 1.4 million people with a very disciplined army lacking up to date armaments, will be a great equalizer to 330 million Americans with superior armaments available to the Indian Armed Force, that can convince China not to disturb the Status quo, as nothing else can.
Like China- India should now be Proactive & Not reactive about its “One India Policy” with Chinas claims on Aksai Chin/ Galwan/ Kashmir/ Arunachal Pradesh etc in the Himalayas.
Why are Narendra Modi & the BJP so timid about intimidating the PLA when they don’t care a damn about the “One India Policy” but are so sensitive about the “One China Policy”?
A great “Thank You” to brave Nancy Pelosi from this Indian- American, for bringing forward a dangerous issue to US & Indias future. Hopefully this will generate a “ Mutual Defense Pact” between India & US to come to each other’s help in the event of China’s adventurism
Sydney Desouza
Only if India stops being the lying troublemaker along the border with China only then hostility can stop. Don't think too highly India that China is interested to invade it. This was revealed by Avtar Singh Bhasin, former history head for 30 years. Glad there are honest Indian intellectuals who are interested in truth and justice. th-cam.com/video/zaM0C9NunEg/w-d-xo.html
The Chinese Civil War will end with a bang from the gunshot to Ping Pong’s head
What's your address, big mouth?
One would think that the US would have learned by now that meddling in the civil wars never ends well for them.
For the same reasons America has no real interest in a inter Korean peace treaty, it has no intention of “giving back” Taiwan to China. Why would it cede what it sees as leverage and military access to the first Island chain.
The US isn't about improving Taiwan lives or any target lives. It's about corporate interests and leverage. If things don't go their way they are happy to destroy instead. Destry and control.
How long does Taiwan have to be functionally independent and dealing with its own affairs in a democratic way before the civil war is in reality over? I think over 70 years is long enough. - analogy - If a couple is divorcing and one does not sign the divorce papers, then after 15 years, the one that did not sign the papers goes back to the other partner, who has been living independently with a different partner over those 15 years, and claim they are still married and claims marital rights, what would any court say about that? The real problem is with the CCP's movement away from liberalization and back to Maoist ways under Xi. They want Tiawan, the South China Sea and possibly other territories. Think of Hitler pre-WWII. ( I would think that South Korea is appreciative that we meddled in their civil war.)
@@edl653 Countries keep their sovereignty at all costs, especially China which still suffers from her broken sovereignty during the century of humiliation, Why the US did not let the confederation cede but fought a bloody civil war to keep them in the country?
Trust me, Texas, Bavaria and Catalonia have much better chances of becoming independent state than Taiwan.
@@alexlazar4738 I see your point. But if the Union had not won the war, then there was a ceasing of hostilities that lasted 70 years, I doubt the Union would have tried again to defeat the confederates. I would agree that under the Xi lead CCP, Taiwan does not have a chance of becoming independent. However, if a military takeover of the Taiwan can be averted for at least 10 years, along with changes is China's regime, demographic and economic (massive recession), an opportunity for Taiwan to claim independence may come about. Timing is key, and today is not it.
I think your analysis that Beijing has no other options except military force and violence, ignores that kindness and friendship can change hearts and change politics. Beijing could begin to act responsibly and consider Taiwan's democracy and accomplishments since the civil war. The CCP could cease to be a bully and begin to think of other's concerns other than its own (South China Sea). The CCP could realize that it has reniged its promises to Hong Kong and change course restoring freedoms there. The CCP could dismantle the detention prisons in XinJiang and lossen its plan for cultural genocide. The CCP could then begin to show that its economic might can benefit ALL nations it deals with and not be a coercive weapon, such as it is using around the world now. This would show that the CCP is responsible and considerate. This might begin to change the Taiwanese people's (and the world's) view that peaceful reunification could be a possibility. The CCP has caused this dangerous situation to begin with, and is only using military force as justification while ignoring it has caused the problem in the first place by becoming the big bad bully that no one likes or wants to play with. With the CCP and Xi in power, it is unlikely that this will happen. Nevertheless, this option is still there and could prove more powerful and effective than military force. But, just because the CCP has gone down the road of war and force, doesn't mean we or the world should give in to the CCP. If we do, the CCP will take over as much of the world as they can. First Taiwan, then into the Pacific. If we don not stop the CCP in Taiwan, it will only embolden them and threaten Asia and the entire world. It's time to step up and do the work to prevent China from becoming the next warring state.
Who?
Hahaha just like the USA will give up its occupation of the Kingdom of Hawaii, return seized lands to Mexico, honor its signed tresties with the native Americans, return seized territories to Spain etc etc...hahahaha
@@motowntaiwan9079 "What aboutism does little to solve problems. In your view an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth only makes the world more harmful. There is no win win result in this thinking. The fact still remains that you attract more flies with honey than salt. The CCP is using salt. It can't seem to use honey because it only cares about itself, not the people.
There is no Chinese naval boats in the Gulf Of Mexico, there are no Chinese naval boats announced or known or even asserted by the United States anywhere near US territorial waters. But the US navy is busy in the South China Sea 10,000 miles away at the border of China. Together, who is aggressing whom would you imagine ? If you make trouble for China this is an entirely different animal here. This is and has to be understood by the American people that when you're going around rattling your sabre in the face of the Chinese, you are taking chances and making blunders on a scale that will make history, what we did in Iraq where we failed, or in Afghanistan where we failed or in Vietnam where we failed, look like child play in comparison ~Richard Wolf
The Taiwanese don't seem to see how ridiculous and hypocritical it is to have another country achieve SELF-determination for them.
Wrong way around chump. Taiwan isn’t looking to anyone but itself to achieve self determination. Others can help but Taiwan is the one who has to help itself. This is something that has been said explicitly by the Taiwanese president herself, Taiwan’s top generals and also the reason why Taiwan’s military spending is at a record level. This is all freely available and easily accessible information that you would have known by now if you weren’t so busy using youtube to bat for a country that’s blocked it
By India being “Proactive” I meant
-Since China has reneged on all the understandings that China had with India since India’s Independence in 1947 & India’s recognition of the then unrecognized internationally, Govt of Mao vs Chaing- Kai shek ROC, India should:
-1) Change it’s “ One China” Policy to a “ Two China” Policy & recognize the ROC ( Taiwan) as the other China, since the two are still technically at war & have not surrendered to each other.
2) Start what China was/is clandestinely doing in the Himalayan & Eastern Naxalite regions of India. Do the same In Tibet, Sinkiang & Outer Mongolia to get China out of Tibet so India & Tibet can mutually solve their Himalayan border issues without Chinas interference.
China should go back to its recognized borders after WW2 that is North of the Northern Tibetan Plateau- that I still remember from my High School “ Atlas” in India.
Sydney Desouza
This will remind India. USA, & the world that Taiwan is or was never was a part of Communist China & all its hype & bluster should be counteracted by the US & India.
China will not rashly risk all that it has achieved since WW2 by a rash invasion of Taiwan
Please keep speaking and spread your message as wide as you can. Taiwan should solve this by themselves, not to risk the lives of the sons and daughters of Americans.
That won't be up to you
@@orneryokinawan4529 you are right, it is obviously up to you!
@@MrM.P well, unfortunately, your source of information is full of inaccuracies. To start, there is no such thing as CCP. The fake news sources can't even get the most basic information right. Pathetic!
@@MrM.P Sounds like you are just fear mongering. Why not just say that Xi intends to enslave the Africans? There is no basis for your claims.
@@MrM.P Don't be stuipd. Even US don't have democracy. US let 800k die from COVID and refuse to do anything. Everyone wants to live, but US "democracy" tell people to die so that they can have freedom. What's the difference between US democracy and a medieval church which rejects science in the name of God?
I enjoyed this presentation, but in general I’ve noticed that academics tend to get… scared… and overestimate the import of quality over quantity.
How many of these units are cohesive and tested? None. How many of these new toys are battle ready? Despite lots of quiet testing in Africa and the Middle East, still few.
The rocket force is the bellwether, and recent shakeups and very public corruption cases give me reason to pause…
The roc governments own worst enemy will be domestic, I agree. The psychout of potential collaborators may very well do more than actual pla combat capability.
We as American don't seem to learn from history. Take for example the VIETNAM WAR for which we had a very hard time winning. We subsequently had to give up and come back home. If we engaged in a hot military war with CHINA, the casualty and difficulty can be ten times more. Remember that China is willing to sacrifice millions of casualties to achieve its goals. In addition the country produce their own armaments and may get assistance or even direct military involvement as an ally from RUSSIA. And if the war evolved into nuclear weapons then the continued existence of HUMAN CIVILIZATION will be highly doubtful. May God save our souls !
So America should just roll over and let China rape Taiwan is what you're saying?
@@echelon2k8 What did US done when Russia annexed Crimea ?
@@kaiyim8597 They imposed heavy sanctions, some of which still continue to this day.
@@echelon2k8 You do understand they are technically still in a civil war right?
Think you westerners in general lack any sense of reality from the recent episode from Afghanistan. A Taiwanese should be in the panel to speak for Taiwan and its people. Not you people living in a bubble to comment with some random memes.
I’d take all of China’s political prisoners in exchange for Lyle Goldstein and Chas Freeman 🎓🔄🗑
Many thanks to the two very wise and knowledgeable guests for the informative and insightful presentation as well as Q&A. I've always admired Mr. Chas Freeman as he's a true diplomat which is a specie extinct in Washington now. I love Lyle's speech and responses too. This video needs to be spread out as much as possible.
For China there is only one acceptable outcome, the total surrender of Taiwan and the population forced into reeducation camps, so they can learn that there is only one force under the sun, namely the fascist CCP.
@@urduib Please try to get some education first so that you won't post such superficial comments any more. And stop being a product of the anti-China propaganda machine. What you're saying are the lies that they want you to believe.
Btw have you even read about Beijing's offers to Taipei? For example Mr. Freeman mentioned about Jiang's proposal in 90's, part of it was as follows,
"After Taiwan is reunified with the mainland, China will pursue the policy of "one country, two systems". The main part of the country will stick to the socialist system, while Taiwan will retain its current system. "Reunification does not mean that the mainland will swallow up Taiwan, nor does it mean that Taiwan will swallow up the mainland." After Taiwan's reunification with the mainland, its social and economic systems will not change, nor will its way of life and its non-governmental relations with foreign countries, which means that foreign investments in Taiwan and the non-governmental exchanges between Taiwan and other countries will not be affected. As a special administrative region, Taiwan will exercise a high degree of autonomy and enjoy legislative and independent judicial power, including that of final adjudication. It may also retain its armed forces and administer its party, governmental and military systems by itself. The Central Government will not station troops or send administrative personnel there. What is more, a number of posts in the Central Government will be made available to Taiwan."
..."on the premise that there is only one China, we are prepared to talk with the Taiwan authorities about any matter".
Chas and Goldstein would feel right at home making minimum wage at a Chinese takeaway since they have perfected the art of taking orders for 50 cents
Think from what they say they would be right at home in the PRC, and the food is much cheaper there. That also shorten their chain of command.
@@mwtrolle the food suits them too. Full of msg just like the salt in their comments!!!
@Eric Ke usa has lots of Chinese takeaway so the minimum wage is 50 cents
Worst case scenario would be for Taiwan to declare independence believing in U.S. support, then the U.S. deploys troops to the island resulting in China necessarily invading. This would be China’s worst nightmare and America’s worst provocation. Full-scale war would result.
1. you cannot invade your own country, Taiwan is part of China, separatists are criminal treason in all countries, so stop being double standards; 2. the US won't fight a hot war with a nuclear power.
When you analyze the current status of China, you can't ignore the vulnerability inside the CCP. Once the PLA launches attack on Taiwan, the current regime in Beijing may also be toppled. You can't talk about China from military perspectives alone without taking into account many economic breaking points inside China once the PLA takes actions against Taiwan's current status quo.
Man proposes, but God disposes !! Respect God, Mr. Freeman !!!!
If they are so vulnerable, why you don't fight them?
are you the second Gordon Chang who keep on ranting about the fall of China?
@@jamaljyf well, you have to see that he made a lot of money from that book.
Never saw such a domphaq
Fact 1: the PLA defeated u.s. + 26 nations in Korean war.
Fact 2: the u.s. were defeated in Vietnam where China provided full supported to Vietnam during Vietnam war.
In both occasions, the u.s. were defeated and I still remember seeing the marines were weeping big time during the interviews about the wars.
So .....what give you the illusions?
Excellent speakers, moronic comments section aside.
I'm glad these folks can only talk but have no influence in Washington DC.
Yea, aren't you glad any calm, rational discussions and thoughts on things of very important consequence won't reach the current mob of partisan, semi political fundamentalist clowns in DC who are CLEAR LIABILITIES to a future prosperous and united America? *rolls eyes*
This would be ...lets say...just a tinny tinny tinny bit funnIER if it doesn't involve (another) possible (useless) war US have to fight and even nuclear Armageddon.
What's with US CONSTANTLY getting into conflicts abroad anyway? Maybe have something to do with those that have produced useless and disastrous conflicts for the US that ended badly almost always got off with out real harm for themselves? Anyone took appropriate responsibility for Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan for the blood and treasure US lost? Maybe...oh I don't know...start skewer those responsible on a tiiiiny pointy stick and hang them from the poles while beating them like a badly filled pinata for once or twice will help inject more imperative to get things right or find alternative workable solutions? Yes? Perhaps?
You'll be less glad when a mushroom cloud envelops your city and there are not even bones left to identify you.
@@qiandeng1296 had Americans signed up to take in all the war refugees they’d displaced instead of dumping them onto Europe, I’m sure they’d think twice before starting more wars.
The informative lecture expounded by Chaz Freeman was one well rehearsed for memories as the papers in front of him were just reminders of importance during incremental stages of his speech...
Very impressively, poignantly, and well presented. Thank you!
This guy (Mr. Freeman) is Brillian! Why doesn't someboby put him in charge? Instead of what's regressing to that of a child. So Polar from the burned-out man Joe used to be once, but allows THIS WISE Silver-grandfather type understanding Gentleman who knows the history, culture, knowledge, military capabilities, having temperment, would be favored to vs others, current & future plans of China, Russia, Allies & Adversaries. He OUGHT TO BE diplomatic czar, if not run for President. We need to draw from ourself the best to solve solutions, for all by Those who know, vs figure out on the job (again, again & again, w/exception)