Sued by the Government for Using Tor to Expose Them...
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Politicians and journalists not understanding computers and the internet for the billionth time.
billionth is an understatement
They have power that's scary if they cant even work a VCR
you misspelled infinite.
@@uniqueprogressive9908 yeah
and lawyers! Don't forget lawyers.
It's amazing to see how far these people would go to not admit to their mistakes and instead ruin the lives of those who call them out on it.
Not only that, but they're wasting tax dollars going after someone who was trying to help.
it wasnt a mistake, it was malicious intent. they willingly lied to people with full knowldge of the fact that the data would be exposed and innocent ppl would suffer because of it
It's because they are embarrassed
A SLAP suit made to limit a guy and the public constitutional right to free speech and information about their personal information.
@@nyx8430there's nothing worse to narcissists.
A few years ago, I was testing an app and found that sensitive data was being passed in hidden fields. The developer couldn't understand how I was able to see those hidden fields and said that "a hacker would need some very expensive tools to be able to do that." To her astonishment, I showed how I could not only see data but could also manipulate it merely by using the free browser developer tools. Not much real hacking involved. Yes, a lot of people are clueless.
But you were using expensive tools, most laptops these days don't have a dedicated F12 key!
The super scary F12 key, gotta love it
@@Zer0ji ctrl+shift+I kinda ruins the joke
@@Xnoob545 nah you just kinda ruined the joke. 🤓
@@Zer0jifor vs code F12 stands on business for viewing a definition.
So if I have a tor browser installed and can access breachforums and whatnot I'm now a scary Russian hacker man. Yeah, the lawyers can be unbelievably stupid.
Speak for yourself, I downloaded tor and immediately became a global threat.
It's not as much stupid as it is audacious. They think they can get away with this argumentation and shift the blame on the person who uncovered the full extent of the damages caused by their own neglience.
so....whistle-blowers are far worse security threat than ransomware gangs who hacked and stole the data....
yeah....right
@@Psychx_ well yeah, but it is also an unbelievably stupid argument. As I recall the US government open-sourced TOR precisely because they wanted everyone to be able to use it, so that their spies could use it and not get immediately flagged as spies.
One of the worst problems with politicians and lawyers is that they generally are quite ignorant about the world, but they still have the power and arrogance to choose things they don't understand. Every case should be reviewed by actual experts, whether it's a cybersecurity thing or a bridge collapse.
Are they essentially arguing that this security researcher committed a thought crime by knowing how to download tor and opening up a web page?
Possession and dissemination. It requiring more knowledge than a layman would have was just used to reinforce the point he didn't just accidentally stumble on the data he then sent to media outlets.
yes
These are politicians; if they CAN fearmonger for power and profit, they WILL.
Literally 1984
boomers will be boomers
no good deed goes unpunished
So true
way too acurate :(
I don't have the highest opinion of journos (always bully corporate journos) but even I feel sorry for the guy
@@dafoexyeah, he is done
I'm a former prosecutor from Illinois. The lawyers who filed this complaint should be professionally sanctioned for violating MRPC 3.1, lack of a basis in law, MRPC 3.1 (again), lack of a basis in fact, and the local equivalent of FRCP 11.
I thought a lawyer is supposed to do everything they can to defend their client.
And the judge is the one that has to pass judgement.
A lawyer also needs to know their limits and boundaries. If they have no clue what they're getting into they should probably not agree to take the job/case. You don't see a vet trying to walk into a regular hospital and start cutting into people for extra $.
@@arjix8738 I think you might be thinking of criminal law... if I understand correctly, this is a civil case brought by a city (local govt) against the researcher - ie. they are suing him.
So the guy doing the 38 min press conference is claiming that his clients (the city) were wronged by having their incompetence & gross mishandling of the hack exposed by this researcher, and that he should pay them compensation.
The researcher's lawyer _will_ be doing everything they can to get this thrown out, and a judge will have to decide on the matter... but I'd imagine there are plenty of arguments adjacent to Anti-SLAPP & whistle-blower laws that his lawyers can argue to get the case dismissed.
The infuriating thing is that it's going to cost the researcher in money, time & mental health because lawsuits are stressful... so hopefully one of those morons comes to his senses & drops the suit before it backfires any more on them.
After all, there would be much stronger lawsuits that the police, staff & DV victims could take _against_ the city for not adequately protecting their private data _AND_ bald-faced _lying_ about the risk, leaving them exposed to fraud & worse (for DV victims).
@@arjix8738 incorrect. Contrary to public believe, lawyers have an extensive catalogue of regulations and ethical code to follow.
A lawyer that takes a ridiculously meritless case can be sanctioned.
Your profile says your a disabled impovrished homeless person but you say now you are a former prosecutor from Illinois ? Just a question
We should be defending the security researcher above all else. Using tax money to hire this hack of a lawyer is a crime!
I am so glad more are picking up on this story since I initially covered this! It’s so disappointing this happened in my state.
Nice humble brag- we know you aren’t actually proud of them for covering it… you’re more jealous they’re not giving you credit as the first to cover it 😂
(I would be, too!)
@@mason96575lol
literally no one cares. ur not giving kudos lmao.
I'm sorry you have to live there. 😅
@@Ufgbja my comment? Or the guy making it known to everyone that he’s the first one that covered the story?
Politicians need age limits 🤦♀️
nah, what they need is knowledge checks and the inability to stay in office past certain amount of years. that some positions can be held far longer than the presidental term should be a giant, wacky, inflating neon danger sign.
term limits
Age limits, term limits, and knowledge checks.
@@LokiScarletWasHere I feel like people should start requiring their politicians to be experts in a field and have restrictions for overlaps. I understand that technically that's not a free democracy, but it makes no fucking sense how voting somebody in political office just because they're chosen by their party to be there regardless of what they were/did before is also dumb. Reminds me of a funny story from earlier this year where in my country a guy who used to run a barbershop was placed as Chairman of the National Gambling Committee, basically the guys that make the laws about gambling. The man had literally no experience nor anything to do with gambling, had no clue about any laws or directives and was simply a puppet meant to fill the seat and keep the racket going. The person who had that position before him held it for 3 years and it just so happened that every year they had about 50k euro++ net positive gambling winnings declared on their public wealth statement from 1 singular national chain (that's easily 2x the annual salary of an avg person here) ; what corruption? nah, they just wanted to pass stupid laws and somehow they're winning gamblers with absolute zero track record of doing any of it prior to being in power. Barbershop guy got fired one week later because the media outed how incompetent and unqualified he was and he dug his own grave answering some interviews in the first few days of taking office, but next guy in line took the paycheck to keep the status quo.
@@KillahEU yes, regardless of what some think its not the age that matters, or rather, it can be beneficial in some cases, but knowing how to fill your seat intelligently does. there are people twice and probably three times my age with more knowledge than the people saying limit by age will ever understand.
that and keeping corruption out, of course, which would have benefitted your story ...
Remember kids, if you have the conscience to report something, do it anonymously.
Trust me. They can track your IP and what device it was sent off of if you contact anonymously. Theyll bug and wire tap your device even when innocent if they aren't illegally survielling as is. Which is exactly whabhappene to me unbeknownst to me
@@SpartanFitnessMma1take a burner phone to mcdonalds and use orbot lol.
in a police state no one reports anything willingly.
We're almost there.
@@SpartanFitnessMma1 The one anonymous tip I sent to police was done through a burner email service on a public WiFi
Brave browser has "the sophisticated dark web access tools" built in to it. Lol
I wonder if the mobile phone version of it does too?
@@Abdega Brave mobile (Android , ios) does not currently support Tor functionality
@@Abdega Tor Browser for Android works ... so they say ;)
I really hate it when people without any knowledge of how technology works, tries to make themselves experts. This is why we get so many idiotic TV shows and movies.
Step 1: Install Tor.
Step 2: Copy and Paste the URL link
Step 3: Click "Download" on the data
Such sophistication
Watch out, you might get sued for sharing this L33T hacker knowledge.
so sophisticated that you need to be 5 years old to pull this off
@@relo999 that's so leet that's 1337
Step 1 isn't a step really is it?
@@timballam3675😂oh no it's a very important step it's very advance expensive tool that you can get on the impossible app store everyone has access to it lol
What's worse is the researcher took it to the city first, but they didn't do anything and tried to continue to keep it quiet. That was their golden opportunity to get a team together who could alert as many people in the breach as possible to protect themselves (by closing bank accounts, etc.), but the city squandered it.
How dare the researcher cause widespread concern about a widespread issue. We were all meant to be blissfully ignorant. With governments like that, who needs criminals?
typical non compliance. nobody wants to pay the geeksquad until after the damage is done.
Are security researchers not allowed to research security?
What do you expect from windows users? Never been hacked using openbsd or GNU/linux.
“Not on my watch!” - lobotomized city officials
@EmmettBrown8 🙄 Linux is routinely hacked. It's where the term "getting root" comes from.
It is baffeling that people with this little technical knowledge are allowed to work behind a computer storing sensitive data.
Yeah! They won’t let the ones with skills do anything. Instead they’ll lay them off because why need all those tech boys anyway? Crap world
Government only hires dei.
The level of sophistication that is needed
Level 0> Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v, URL
Level 1> Read
Level 3> Tell the Reporter what u discovered
Level -1> Open brave and Press Alt + Shift + N to open private window with Tor.
They truly are clueless.
I really don't thik they are in this case. I think they're malicious.
nah there the real bad guys
The Attorney for the City needs to be disbarred.
He needs to be sitting in a jail cell praying to God he doesn't die there.
It's not the lawyer's fault he's paid to to argue for his client. It's the mayors fault for filing this frivolous lawsuit agent the messenger, wasting tax payer money and lying about the extent of the breach to the people.
@JorgeLopez-qj8pu Every human has the ability to say no. Period. If I came to you with a shit sandwich would you eat it?
@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu Really though, it should be a stain on your career to engage in frivolous lawsuits. People don't hate lawyers because they do their jobs, they hate them because they accept bullshit jobs like this. I would be embarrassed to go to law school just to end up helping geriatric morons cover up their incompetence. It's just so weird how nobody seems to care if you participate in disingenuous litigation. If not made illegal, it should at least be looked down upon.
@@Kwauhn. Not saying your wrong about looking bad. But imagine if you couldn't get legal reparation just because everyone giving you a preemptive guilty verdict, a lawyer can sometimes choose clients, but also not without actions agents them. Their job is to defend you and your claims its the judges job is to judge you and your claims.
Of course a white hat hacker needs to access it through tor. Its just hilarious.
Or download the actual data to see if its encrypted or not.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 yeah.. with their logic, if a police investigation would done this they would be have done the same.
This is just sad 😂 The lawsuit is a total knee jerk reaction to being caught in a lie. If they we're willing to lie about the ransomware attack, WHAT ELSE HAVE THEY LIED ABOUT? 🤣 See I'M THE LAWYER NOW.
US Justice and Law system getting misused is so common it's insane.
and the guys who were supposed to fix it makes their own loophole to exploit instead.
how nobody has sued the city for malicious intent and deception as well as misshandling private data is beyond me.
Bruh, I wouldnt be worried about the white/grey hat getting the info and bringing it to light. I'd be worried the government were going to let black hats spread it around with out telling the public they are at risk!
The city can double down but they are wasting their money. Also if it's so important than why wasn't the data encrypted hm city?
I feel like the mayor consulted the IT head and in an attempt to not lose his job he told him the data was encrypted lol.
@@rxblackpill true or it was a very easy to crack encryption
It just wasn't encrypted. Or it was encrypted at rest only, or some other specious argument like "the backup was encrypted"
Because Russian Hackers can't decrypt it? Let's think this through morons. If the mayor and his cronies are this stupid to let this happen, and even dumber to double down and attack an innocent civilian, they are probably wayy to stupid to encrypt files in any meaningful fashion. Everyone involved in this should be facing life in prison, the mayor should be in prison for life. I'm getting so FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE WE VOTE FOR FUCKING US OVER FOR LITERALLY NO GOOD REASON. The mayor could have came out amd said "yea Russia hacked us" and it literally would have been it, nothing would happen and nobody would be pissed off. These politicians are all a bunch of fucking babies, they are too cowardly to do the right thing.. embarrassing, this country has gone to complete shit.
Rule #1 of cyber security. NEVER sue a security researcher. they know what they are doing and have more power than anyone trying to sue them.
Ah yes, the sophistication of downloading a browser and navigating to a web page.
first step not even needed if you use brave
Well the security researcher will win this suit and should counter sue them.
For what? Governments have a strong presumption of immunity even when they're doing stupid and unethical things. If they don't win there's no basis for damages, other than some extremely unlikely allegations like that the TRO violated his civil rights as a journalist.
Don’t underestimate the level of corruption that may be in play.
If he has the correct attorney who also must be a cybersecurity specialist or hire an "Expert Witness" cybersecurity expert he will win.
@@jaimeortega4940 This would be the outcome for sure. The most difficult part would be getting the jury to understand what the heck they are even talking about. Both sides will have expert witnesses but which one would make the most sense to the jury? They should televise this trial.
They either need an attorney familiar with security research or someone like me that can explain these complex things to anyone. This and to create the simplified scripted language and examples for the attorneys and researchers to use, to have maximum impact, with minima jury, and judge misunderstanding(s). Both parties should have this although the prosecution is at a disadvantage with this case. It's what happens when you prosecute before you know what you are doing. In this case someone like me could also assist a prosecutor, help with these types of issues to see if a case is warranted. In this case I would have told the prosecutor no he needs more investigation and more real direct and undisputable evidence connecting them to some crime. Short of this, no prosecution.
Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent
Yep, he is screwed.. judge will decide his faith and restitution
It's perfectly understandable and forgivable that accessing tor sounds mysterious and more involved to boomers than it actually is, but it's so shameful and incredibly sad that after it's been explained to them why they're wrong, they would put their fingers in their ears and try to financially ruin an innocent security researcher just to save face.
I think that if his lawyers are ANY good they will be able to easily win this case. It would be as simple as submitting any one of a number of 3-10 minute videos on TH-cam showing how to download and install TOR to defeat their claim that it was an activity that took knowledge and expertise. The goal of his defense shouldn't be to try to deny the actions he took but rather to prove that the actions he took are extremely easily replicated. That's what their lawyers are doing is trying to hype up how sophisticated it was and preying on the fact that the vast majority of the public in the legal sector has little to no technical prowess and get people emotionally invested. That being said I'm not sure I'd want to fight the government in court because it's corrupt as fuck and even if you didn't do anything wrong they'll figure out a way to get you to cave to the pressure... almost like ransomware.
1. Installing a browser: TheOnionRouter
2. install qbittorremt do download the file.
Just two fast and easy duckduck searches 🫣
Like said, politicans are juat stupid af.
Tor*
Well, what they might do is simply ask TH-cam to remove the related videos so that “normal” people cannot even get access to Tor, while still not even try to admit their mistakes and solve the issue. 😂
The politicians simply don’t care. That’s why more people in the city should be aware of this and protest and sue their government for any damages the gov caused and ask for any kind of effective resolution.
All people in the city should be made aware of this as much as possible.
@@xxfloppypillowxx I would have thought the EFF would be very interested in this case, as would their team of extremely tech savvy lawyers.
@@BPL-Whipster Maybe they'll get wind of it with more videos like this.
Reminds me of Kevin Mitnick. "He can whistle into a pay phone and launch a nuclear warhead"
Lol. Well, even though there was a lot of hyperbole about Mitnick and the danger of hackers, he DID actually break into Sun's private network and steal their source code. While some of the things he did were relatively harmless, he did also, legitimately commit crimes. But your point still stands.
Sounds like they had a combination of a very bad lawyer and a bunch of stubborn politicians
I'm confused. Did the security researcher download the data dump and send it to the media, or did he just notify what was inside of it? Also yeah getting a browser, going to a link, and clicking a button are surely hacker tasks
I love local governments wasting tax money!
Its a clear example of: You are at our mercy and if we choose to protect you, which we often do not, then and only then will you be protected. At all other times, you WILL be kept in the dark. You will obey us and you will not ask questions or have expec6ationsof anything outlined in the founding documents of this country, from the past or the future or anywhen between.
Are we certain they don't know or pretending because it creates legal power to punish unjustly? I mean the complaints they had boiled down too: You shouldn't see our cover-up and if you did you need to report it directly to the people hiding this info so we can more effectively plug the leak.
"it's difficult for people to know how badly we fucked up, sonits fine, right?"
I remember that html "hack" very well XD these politicians are soo incompetent
Reminds me of the journalist sued for HTML "hacking".
3:20 dude could just as easily describe searching for restaurant reviews here and telling a friend, jesus. He doesn't even understand the internet is a series op tubes.
Dear CITIES ACROSS AMERICA....STOP LEAVING OPEN ETHERNET PLUGS IN COMMON AREAS 😂
Those pigs have the energy to fight for themselves, but not to support the guy who exposed the case?? (Btw, im off to google the "dark web")
Watching the lawyer say bullshit like that genuinely made me angry.
Gov. Has no accountability and how is any of that valid.
I can’t program. But getting crypto and some lsd from the dark web is something a 16 year old can do
tor is the easiest tool on the internet, i dont use it but i used to play around with it as a kid, as a KID. these adults sure are embarrassing
When you fear integrity and accountability, you are no longer the good guys.
They should be offering this data researcher a job instead of suing him. Sounds like they could use someone with his talents, they obviously don't know what they are doing.
Thanks for summing up the new episode of idiocracy
Utterly clueless.
Who?
@@NorthernChimpthe state
That's common
I was able to access the dark web when I was 13, the stupidity of government officials will always surprise me.
Ironic that the government doesn't understand a product that they made.
I’ve never thought of myself as sophisticated before, but I’ll take it
1:51 - LMFAO 🤣Hell Nah... When your own job and career gets you sued and probably locked up.
No no no this guy is way ahead of the game. Give it a few years. You will get a few years for anything VPN, darkweb, encryption etc etc etc
With the trend of how things are going, im afraid yes and that is scary. Look at the legislation the EU wants to pass.
Das Internet ist Neuland 😂
We unfortunately have quite a law on the books in the Netherlands which treata this kind of data as stolen property and which can carry criminal penalties for downloding and possessing such data.
That these people have even the slightest control over anything at all is a tragedy that needs to be rectified by any means necessary.
The government doesn't understand "RTFM" 😂😂
Please release the name of the Judge doing this. Corrupt officials like this need to be stopped.
A judge isn't responsible for bring this lawsuit, it's the city's lawyers suing the researcher. So the corrupt individuals involved were named & shamed in the video... and now plastered all over the media & internet too. A judge probably hasn't even been assigned the case yet.
A city doubling down when they are in the wrong???? No way!
They are the type of people to write a confidential message on the OUTSIDE of an envelope and not understand how others can see and read it. Suing people for being more intelligent than you will surely pay off in the long run
I'm so glad this city brought up charges for domestic violence against me when I did nothing wrong. Now putting me into this bullshit.
These lawyers and polititions have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what Tor is and how easy it is to download. There is no high level knowledge needed.
Remember the one...'There is nothing to see folks, keep moving on'... Shame on the town politics.
this is the first time I actually genuinely cringed at a government
😄 You're quite fortunate! Give it time, as it happens more often as you get older! 😎✌️
You’ll cringe more and more often as time goes
First time?
You haven't followed politics enough then
Oh, there's much more to come...pucker up 😂
pathetic reality we live in, even a kid from pre-school can do this... it's basically right-click & save-as, with all the tutorials on youtube I'm sure even they can do it.
& I think they're getting sue because it can bring the goverment more money and not justice.
It's time to sue the city. The city should pay damages to the consultant.
They still think they can control sht at this point in time?! There are laws that people must be informed upon a data breach. Were they?
Throw that case out and counter sue. That's why we have whistleblower laws.
man love you news update
according to the city the data was corrupted so then the can only charge him for downloading random files with "no data" / "corrupted data" 😂
I work in the incident response side of things... this is nuts. That city attorney is a meat sack, and I really really hope the IFF has contacted the guy they are suing and agree to represent him.
Town Mayor and some others should change their working place to Mcdonalds.
They'll get fired on the first day... fast food jobs are tough 😂
I don't understand how any of this is legal. These people know absolutely nothing.
No good deed goes unpunished.
He did not sign an NDA, and the government should get Sue for mishandling private personal data.
Any city officials involved in the cover-up should go to jail and be forced to pay back their salaries
Comment for the YT Gods!
"this guy has our info? better start a lawsuit and post every second of it on instagram, facebook, and youtube"
@3:00 That is Zac Klein, the "Do nothing, except prosecute Police Officers", city attorney. He is as worthless as the mayor...
Hopefully, he files a counter suit against the city, for a much larger amount.
🤣😂🤣 I think it makes sense to know how to securely surf the web! Trust has boundaries, and when these are violated, it necessitates action.
3:17 I rephrased the lawyer to include what the whole administration is thinking:
Computer users these days don't have the same skills to use basic tools like the computer kids in the 90s therefor we need you to conflate this concept with what the bad actors actually did this, side with us on this because we're an embarrassment and he proved we were lying.
How Dumb can you be:
"Yes"
In Soviet America, enemy helps you
"Here, your honor:"
*Boots windows*
*Downloads tor*
*Opens website*
"That sooo hard, wasnt it?"
When can we get elected officials that actually understand how technology works? Yeah, upon reading the story on Techdirt, my mind also immediately went to the Missouri HTML “hacking” story from a few years ago. The governor or some political group linked to him even made a political ad explaining how going after the security researcher for “decoding HTML code” was an attempt to go after the “woke media” (his words, not mine) for reporting on the story and encouraging criminal behavior. Needless to say, the video had a massive dislike-to-like ratio back when dislikes were still visible.
They hardly know how to check their own e mails and the public is just a little bit better off
What would be the legality in a case where some public person gets their phone hacked and nudes stolen and distributed in the dark web while publicly claims otherwise. Then some security researcher comes along, acquires said nudes and sends them to journalists to prove them wrong?
There is a difference in the impact on the public and other people.
Level of sophistication: 14Yr old with access to dad's computer.
I hate to break it to that lawer, but when I wanted to take a peek, I did just google.
Lawyer: ahah! I knew it! You're a co-conspirator.. guilty as charged!! 😅
it should be standard protocol that if something like this is found its disclosed via anonymous means a to trusted third parties to reduce the risk of getting sued and the finders identity is never known.
Maybe local authority should stop using their i phone for official business...... investigations etc......
Today I learned I was a super expert hackerman at the ripe age of 8 when I downloaded TOR :D
he disclosed the useless data. At least based on story provided by city officials. So, why he would be sued? Furthermore, that was publicly available at that moment, if you know how to find.
Starting to get real sick of this censorship