"The multi hit skills in endgame raids are generally things you don't want to tank" - have to disagree with this. Quoting kayangel and akkan as end game raids isnt really accurate, and i can think of many examples where you do want to tank hits (abuse your push immunity while in sura attacking) - voldis g4 big yellow triangle, thaemine g2 before 160 when he's hitting three small triangle cones on an aggro target, even thaemine g3 sword rain/155 statue mech if you have aggro - all these are examples which multihit and yet you want to be in there bashing away. also, have you considered that sometimes you want to press X to get your shield up at some point while punching in order to mitigate a certain hard hitting attack? if you rely on your X to restore 1 adrenaline stack, but do that AFTER you've already taken damage, then your shield is only up for 2s and unavailable for the remaining 8s. all in all, for the extremely marginal damage ceiling increase (if following community guide's calculation), i dont think master has a lot of worth to deliberately aim for. sure, if you dont get to cut critical on your elixirs, then master is fine, but like you said, (1) if you're looking to main it then you want to eventually aim for 5x3+2 and critical, and (2) if its an alt then you would rather get not so high quality accessories, in which case EP1 + critical would be the far better choice.
You also Need to Consider that critical will Shift your dps a Bit more towards to all Skills and Master boosts Identity Quite alot but your normal Skills dont gain mich from holen from 93 to 100%crit Chance also critical also increases your Identity damage just a Little less than Master stacks
Yes this is also a consideration but i also think whoever goes master will need to aim to max quality gear. And yeah there is also a good damage outside of asura state that is nice portion of overal dps.
When you compare dps for master vs critical, how much crit do you have? I found that I need 1845 crit to get 100% crit rate with master but for critical it only needs 1761. So it seems to me that critical is a lot cheaper to build. I ended up going master because of elixir RNG on my breaker but I will need to replace my bracelet to get 1845 crit
@@MisoxShiru 22 entropy, 7master, 5 adren, max from crit stat is 66 so you end up on 100. I personaly made my one build in the end. I play KBW3 Adren3 and RC1. For me it performs more consistent than ep1 becouse no need for stacks but i have also ep1 build for proging i used it on theaming g3 now after sencod clear i will ditch it and use RC1. I decided to go adren3 sinc i rolled excelent bracelet but wih lower side crit, and if you want to save some gold deff go for adren3 and critical. Why i also consider master not worth it (only if it is given to you free or good rng) couse ij the end if you chose it as main eventualy you will aim for 97 stone and critical. If it is alt save some gold and go cheaper build better to invest in level 10 gem.
@@MisoxShiru also what i forgot to mention i teste buidl diff betwen kbw3 and RC3. There is small margin that RC3 wins but i tested that without full critcital elixir. When i craft full set i will test again i think that crit elixir scales better on kbw3 than RC3 i am now talking if you use Adren3.
@@MisoxShiru in terms of damage, yes, you still needs to fit 100% crit rate to maximize asura's Path engraving, so, yes, You need teorical 1845 crit stat. He's right.
@@rguinucci to maximize yes but what’s the breakpoint where Master is worse than Crit? I don’t think Saint was expecting everyone to have 1845 crit when he made the statement that Master with Adren 1 is stronger than Crit elixir. I’ll ask him later tonight when I interview him if we have time.
Well this clears alot there is actualy a table of exact damage difference, 5x3+1 critical+ep1 is 16.69% damage increase over 5x1 and master+adren1 is 16.98% so yeah it is higher cieling but i tought that keeping master uptime will be much worse than this. Anyway seams both are pretty much close will more likle be decided by player uptime than elixirs
Its actually not as simple as that as I've learned more. With Master set, you are using Adren and KBW whereas with critical you use EP + Adren 3, which means that: 1 - KBW + Adren are just better scaling to begin with and will not be subject to as much diminishing returns compared to EP + Adren 2 - with EP, you have to stack to max EP for max efficiency, so overall you end up losing even more compared to Adren because Adren is locked and loaded right out the gate. Additionally there are many raids where EP is removed between gates so you end up having to stack it up again. Again at the end of the day it is preference but it is pretty clear that if you are able to upkeep at least 4 stacks of Master at all time, you are doing quite a bit more damage than Crit Elixir + EP 1.
@@MisoxShiru my breaker is 5x3+1adrenaline with critical set because of Sainto's vid and loawa stat. I haven't tested master set myself. think for Akkan it might be ok to go master but thaemine probably not viable because u will get hit alot especially for front attackers
I disagree with your comment that it is easy to upkeep master stack. I dont think you're playing your breaker at full potential since majority of the dps window in end game raids has a high chance for you to get hit not once but multiple times. So critical is the way to go.
Thanks for the clarification. I think Im still going to go critical because it's one less thing to manage, and Im a boomer with no hands, lmao.
"The multi hit skills in endgame raids are generally things you don't want to tank" - have to disagree with this. Quoting kayangel and akkan as end game raids isnt really accurate, and i can think of many examples where you do want to tank hits (abuse your push immunity while in sura attacking) - voldis g4 big yellow triangle, thaemine g2 before 160 when he's hitting three small triangle cones on an aggro target, even thaemine g3 sword rain/155 statue mech if you have aggro - all these are examples which multihit and yet you want to be in there bashing away.
also, have you considered that sometimes you want to press X to get your shield up at some point while punching in order to mitigate a certain hard hitting attack? if you rely on your X to restore 1 adrenaline stack, but do that AFTER you've already taken damage, then your shield is only up for 2s and unavailable for the remaining 8s.
all in all, for the extremely marginal damage ceiling increase (if following community guide's calculation), i dont think master has a lot of worth to deliberately aim for. sure, if you dont get to cut critical on your elixirs, then master is fine, but like you said, (1) if you're looking to main it then you want to eventually aim for 5x3+2 and critical, and (2) if its an alt then you would rather get not so high quality accessories, in which case EP1 + critical would be the far better choice.
You also Need to Consider that critical will Shift your dps a Bit more towards to all Skills and Master boosts Identity Quite alot but your normal Skills dont gain mich from holen from 93 to 100%crit Chance also critical also increases your Identity damage just a Little less than Master stacks
Yes this is also a consideration but i also think whoever goes master will need to aim to max quality gear. And yeah there is also a good damage outside of asura state that is nice portion of overal dps.
When you compare dps for master vs critical, how much crit do you have? I found that I need 1845 crit to get 100% crit rate with master but for critical it only needs 1761. So it seems to me that critical is a lot cheaper to build. I ended up going master because of elixir RNG on my breaker but I will need to replace my bracelet to get 1845 crit
Critical will definitely be cheaper to build but I don't think you need 100% crit on Master to hit the same damage as Crit elixirs.
@@MisoxShiru 22 entropy, 7master, 5 adren, max from crit stat is 66 so you end up on 100. I personaly made my one build in the end. I play KBW3 Adren3 and RC1. For me it performs more consistent than ep1 becouse no need for stacks but i have also ep1 build for proging i used it on theaming g3 now after sencod clear i will ditch it and use RC1. I decided to go adren3 sinc i rolled excelent bracelet but wih lower side crit, and if you want to save some gold deff go for adren3 and critical. Why i also consider master not worth it (only if it is given to you free or good rng) couse ij the end if you chose it as main eventualy you will aim for 97 stone and critical. If it is alt save some gold and go cheaper build better to invest in level 10 gem.
@@MisoxShiru also what i forgot to mention i teste buidl diff betwen kbw3 and RC3. There is small margin that RC3 wins but i tested that without full critcital elixir. When i craft full set i will test again i think that crit elixir scales better on kbw3 than RC3 i am now talking if you use Adren3.
@@MisoxShiru in terms of damage, yes, you still needs to fit 100% crit rate to maximize asura's Path engraving, so, yes, You need teorical 1845 crit stat. He's right.
@@rguinucci to maximize yes but what’s the breakpoint where Master is worse than Crit? I don’t think Saint was expecting everyone to have 1845 crit when he made the statement that Master with Adren 1 is stronger than Crit elixir. I’ll ask him later tonight when I interview him if we have time.
Well this clears alot there is actualy a table of exact damage difference, 5x3+1 critical+ep1 is 16.69% damage increase over 5x1 and master+adren1 is 16.98% so yeah it is higher cieling but i tought that keeping master uptime will be much worse than this. Anyway seams both are pretty much close will more likle be decided by player uptime than elixirs
Its actually not as simple as that as I've learned more. With Master set, you are using Adren and KBW whereas with critical you use EP + Adren 3, which means that:
1 - KBW + Adren are just better scaling to begin with and will not be subject to as much diminishing returns compared to EP + Adren
2 - with EP, you have to stack to max EP for max efficiency, so overall you end up losing even more compared to Adren because Adren is locked and loaded right out the gate. Additionally there are many raids where EP is removed between gates so you end up having to stack it up again.
Again at the end of the day it is preference but it is pretty clear that if you are able to upkeep at least 4 stacks of Master at all time, you are doing quite a bit more damage than Crit Elixir + EP 1.
@@MisoxShiru my breaker is 5x3+1adrenaline with critical set because of Sainto's vid and loawa stat. I haven't tested master set myself. think for Akkan it might be ok to go master but thaemine probably not viable because u will get hit alot especially for front attackers
forgot to mention that even in akkan, some patterns are good z window but boss keep hitting front (g1 counter pattern)
what if i have adr 1 and bracelet whit 5% precision, should i go for crit or master is ok?
how much crit % do you have in the end is the question.
precision doesnt work on asura engrv
Sadge juat built my 5×3+1ep. I thought it only worth going Adrenaline as 6th engaving if I had can get a 9/7 stone
That is not sadage since diff is realy small and you will probably be more consistent with ep1 critical then adren1 master.
I disagree with your comment that it is easy to upkeep master stack. I dont think you're playing your breaker at full potential since majority of the dps window in end game raids has a high chance for you to get hit not once but multiple times. So critical is the way to go.
Tbh use whatever the game gives you. They're both viable.
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