My daughter (now 26 years old) was a complete tom boy, and my wife and I never do anything against that, and she is very grateful with us because we let her be herself; now she never use dress, skirts, high heels, or make up; she is a very smart, wise, sane, happy and beautiful feminine sweet woman. However, if she were still a tom boy, that will be fine.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Gender can go but that doesn't mean we have to all look non descript. My husband looks great in eyeliner. Face and body paint have a history in most cultures as part of ceremonial events and rituals . One doesn't have to wear makeup in a conventional way or to appeal to the male gaze.
You can do and say things stereotypically associated with guys (males) when the mood strikes you--and still be a female. People who assert that we need to establish an entirely new category of personal identity because of varying expressions of mood, feeling, activity ARE THE PROBLEM. They are too busy trying to put us all in categories when they should just just up and mind their own business--and stay out of yours.
As an agnostic I refute the idea that you're an atheist as you've demonstrated a belief in evil. I'm not attacking you, but when you stop to think about it Atheism is a very arrogant viewpoint in the assumption that you KNOW, without fail, that there is no supreme being. You don't. That being said, I can't stand religion but I do understand the basic morality it has provided to humankind. I'm not going to church, praying or anything of the like...or believing in 'god'. I love science but it's also not my 'god', but it has the best explanations so far - so I rest with that.
I don't wear makeup and love my jeans and t-shirts. I'm a very happy, centered biological FEMALE. I live in the country and run a homestead, I'm still a biological Female. Yet if current thought were to have its way, they would say I'm really a male in a female body which is downright delusional. I love being a woman.
I do wear makeup, I like it....it is fun for me. I prefer dresses over slacks and pants. I'm a loving spouse of a very long relationship that started when I and my spouse were still in our teens (I have only ever had a relationship with one person my entire life....that is my spouse today). I'm a parent and a professional in a high tech field and have had the same job for almost twenty years. I'm a veteran having served in the US Army during a time of conflict. I'm also a transgender woman. I have been the way I am today since I could remember as early as four or five years old. I was raised in a very religious family and I was taught to be ashamed of myself and to feel a great deal of guilt over being "different". I am neither perverted or someone attempting to gain access to women spaces for evil intent (unless going to the bathroom is evil, I guess it depends on what you eat). I transitioned many years ago, before this all became political. I no more belong in a men's restroom than any of the women on this panel. After years of using the women's restroom the most common thing ever said to me is "I like your shoes". The equality act would keep people from discriminating against LGBTQ people in employment and housing. This just adds LGBTQ people to a list of people who need protection in those areas. The erasure and harm that some small number of women are complaining about just doesn't show up in any real way statistically. Transgender people have been here since recorded history. We can be found in every country in the world and from every social and economic background. My job is highly technical and I'm one of the best in my field, at what I do. There are transgender doctors, lawyers, police, scientists, even military service members.....enough to show that we are far from delusional people. As far as science goes you shouldn't have to look any further than the fact that transgender people exist.....we are telling you that we are here. If that isn't enough here is Dr. Robert Sapolsky who is a professor of neuroscience at Stanford....hear what he says about the state of being transgender and some studies that have been done on it: th-cam.com/video/Erexuu8PTo8/w-d-xo.html At the end of the day, we are human beings and worthy of fair treatment. Don't hate us because you don't understand us. I'm a good person....if I saw you in trouble and in need of help, I would stick out my hand. Would you refuse it because I'm transgender? What side of history will you be on?
Delusional? may i suggest you read the holy bible, start with the beginning of time for humans, first there was Adam, then from Adams rib, GOD TRANSITIONS eve, who was the first TRANSGENDER clone from the rib of man, also try reading Galatians 3:28 and Matthew 7:1
@@Dr_JSH AS AN ADULT YOU DO AS YOU PLEASE ...YOU DIDN'T MAKE DEMANDS OR ASK FOR LAWS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR YOU !! YOU ARE " NOT " ADDRESSING THE TRUE ISSUE HERE !! SO COME DOWN OFF OF YOUR IVORY TOWER !!! IF YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. DON'T INSERT YOUR LIFE STORY HERE !! DO YOU WANT TO GET IN A "RACE" WITH A " "WOMAN" ?? ..WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT A "FAIR" RACE !? DO YOU " REALLY " NOT UNDERSTAND THE REAL ISSUE HERE !?? NO ONE FAULTS YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS .. AND " YOU " DID NOT DEMAND THE WORLD GIVE " YOU " SPECIAL TREATMENT ...DID YOU !?
There is some serious political re-jiggering going on these days. I'm a left-leaning academic, but my Twitter feed is filling up with a lot of people who are, like the presenters here, "politically homeless." The DNC has rebranded itself as some kind of social activist organization representing the complaints of ever-smaller minority populations (which bathroom you can use without people freaking out is such a banal, pointless issue that I can't believe we're actually discussing it in the face of all the things that are actually going wrong in the world), and when people don't vote for them, they tell themselves and the world that it's because of bigotry. Meanwhile, they ignore the fact that many of Trump's talking points were CLASSICALLY LIBERAL. Things like protectionist trade practices, protecting middle and lower-middle-class industrial jobs, ensuring that the working class is protected from being outbid by foreign workers willing to settle for much less... If the Dems had any sense at all, they'd see that positions that historically would have been associated with their party are now those of people with "R" after their names. When believing in sexual dimorphism gets you kicked out of the good graces of polite, latte-liberal society, those people seek shelter elsewhere. I think we're going to see more and more of this as the Dems boil off reasonable people, leaving an ever-more-concentrated sticky syrup of batshit insane. Most people, regardless of party or stripe, are moderate. That's because most people are reasonable, thinking grownups.
It's not that surprising. Women across the political spectrum see the harm being done to women and children by transgender ideology and want to get together to discuss and act
@@g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o Leftists are basically narcissistic wolves that hide behind masks of feigned tolerance and care for minorities. The whole media has been taken over..now only just a handful of people control the media...how convenient. Weren't there laws at one point that you couldn't own so much media? Wonder why those went bye bye?? Anyways, liberalism is now GBT (The lesbians don't matter) or GTFO. Read some of the forgotten gay rights literature from gay men of the 80's...and you'll see what's getting played out right now. Look up and pass this around "The Overhauling of Straight America" (revealing the plot to normalize, set the stage for victimhood..NAMBLA is mentioned) and the hateful "Gay Revolutionary"
It’s embarrassing to this leftie that the only outlets willing to give women like Ms. Beck a hearing are FOX and - gag - the HERITAGE for chrissake. Come on, Maddow, get ahead of this madness.
@@frankiebowie6174 Nevertheless, it is completely typical that the Right will entertain the conversation, while the regressive left only wants to shut it down.
Practically the entire public sector in a nutshell "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.
Ian Paling Women’s hands. Just rights (to vote), but no any responsibility (to protect and provide). Let the men be responsible and be blamed for everything!
Wow, I cannot believe I am actually saying "well done" to the Heritage Foundation, I guess this is a bi-partisan issue after all, the speakers are amazing, what a panel, those brave women have brought tears to my eyes a number of times. Gender identity ideology is a) batshit crazy, b) taking a whole lot of casulties while endocrinologists and gender specialists line their pockets and c) a full on attack on women's sex-based rights! Keep fighting #AdultHumanFemale
Thankfully TH-cam still allows such videos and discussions to be on their platform. Social media tends to toss such views off their platforms with censorship.
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.” ― George Orwell, 1984 AND You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy. ―Charles Manson
MidNightRider2001 Not “everybody”, just feminists. Feminazzi is a criminal organization, supported by most governments, they perpetrate those crimes of making people to hate themselves and to commit self-sterilization...
@TheBlackiwid We are talking about children. Legally 17-18 are kids. They are not allowed to drink, they are not allowed to smoke or get tattoos by law. No one in the western world is drafted into war. No one wants anyone turned into a lifelong medical patient and that's what all these off-label treatments do. Why should tax payers and insurance payers have to foot the bills?
I don't know what you are saying. WHAT IS WRONG IS THAT PARENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY. THAT CHILDREN, YES 18 YEAR OF AGE IS STILL A CHILD SHOULD HAVE THERAPY BEFORE SUCH MEASURES ARE TAKEN. THAT FUCKING DOCTORS SHOULD HAVE SUCH A CHILD CHECKED MENTALLY BEFORE SUCH GRAVE MEASURES ARE TAKEN. THAT THE LAW/GOVERNMENT SHOULDNT GET INVOLVED IN MATTERS SO QUICKLY. THAT DEBATE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THAT KIDS WHO ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR GENDER BE HELPED RATHER THAN AUTOMATICALLY GIVE THEM HORMONES TO HARM THEIR BODIES. What part of that don't you get. Are you a parent? Should your child come to you and say they are transgender don't you think it is your responsibility to help assess the matter before they castrate or neuter themselves???????
Tudor Miller I think the people that never were confused about their gender don’t understand how it happens and you grow out of it. It happened to me I grew out of it. It’s not worth the risks this can ruin their life you can’t decide what you want as a child.
As much as I agree with the panel, it is unfortunate that the focus was on how detrimental the law is to women and children and there was no mention that it might be harmful to men as well. A law that erases "women" as a legal term would also erase "men" as well. I suggest the "Erasure of Women and Men Act" as a more suitable name.
Let's give them some support because if we let women down, we also let children down and the ones controlling this narrative once wrote stuff like this..look up "Gay Revolutionary" and "The Overhauling of Straight America" NAMBLA is mentioned in The Overhauling of Straight America...you think this isn't apart of a plan?
Champaign_Central_Band Nah, you can’t fight feminism, the gynocentricity is engraved in our genes. We can be empathetic only to women’s suffering. This is why feminism is a cancer: it exploits bugs in our operating system. Feminism is a cancer and it must be stopped from spreading.
Fyi when "gender neutral" bathrooms are instituted very often the men's room is kept, and the women's is turned into a free-for-all. TIFs don't pose the same danger to men that TIMs pose to women and girls. Gender ideology hurts men, yes, but the danger to girls and women is far more pressing.
Such a good video. So encouraging to see right & left come together on what is such an important issue, both for our children and for society at large. I applaud the courage of every participant involved in putting this together.
Jocky49 this only happened because a right sided platform agreed to do it. the left tried to shut them down. This is the left refusing to talk to these people and also trying to attack them. This clearly shows the right willing to engage in dialogue with people who think differently to them but willing to still engage and to also help protect 'PEOPLE AND WOMEN' no matter what their political side. This is a clear example of how the left are thugs and bullies and not willing to engage unless it gets them votes!!
Systematic brainwashing. My biggest question is to what ends? Why is this being pushed so hard these days? This is so very sad and my heart goes out to these parents.
Laura Roberts Parents!? They are crippling kids! Nazzis were killing jews, cutting off their family lines in rather straightforward fashion. We call them criminals. Now feminists (or rather social marxists - another breed of nazzis, who were socialists) cut off family lines of kids, small boys and girls, who were indoctrinated to hate themselves! Feminism is cancer, it destroys civilization, built on hard labour of mostly men...
@@ramsa01Yt What are earth are you talking about? Feminists OPPOSE the mutilation of children that is being done in the name of "gender identity affirmation." It is the people pushing transgender ideology who are behind this, telling children and youth they are "born in the wrong body" if they happen to like something society has dictated as belonging solely to the opposite sex or because they are gender non-conforming.
"Inclusivity means all voices are welcome except women's, except lesbians" I feel so bad for her watching her cry as she says this but inclusivity has never meant what she thinks it does. Were so called "homophobes" included? Should they be? If someone supported their gay friends but opposed public money being spent on celebrating gayness and LGBT issues in school, were they included? Has she learned nothing? Lesbian voices are still included as long as they *as individuals* agree with the woke trans positions. Women are still included unless they are wrongthinkers. She's looking at herself as part of a victim group based on who she is rather than what she thinks. She needs to understand that "the left", or those to the left of her, will continue to use identity politics when it favors them but will ignore the same group based victimhood when it comes to dealing with "transphobes". She has lost her victimhood power and she needs to come to terms with that - she is the evil bigot now and I'm not sure I have any useful advice about how to win from that position because one can't accept that framing but it seems powerful forces are aligned against her.
Yeah These neo Marxist lefties are mourning the loss of their perpetual victimhood and I am the most oppressed victim card Third wave feminists did no favours to women ...they were all about creating disparity to correct supposed deliberate historical oppression Radical fems advocating "positive descrimination" via affirmative actions from scholarships to promotions and politics for the sake of diversity now have to share this diverse pie with everyone .... merit and facts go to the bin and people need to be admired for their myriad labels and identities to keep everyone "happy" They opened the door for this nonsense while the moderate feminists and liberals either kept quiet or didn't do enough to counter this stupidity This carries on for a few decades and the country will face a crisis that all Marxist and their 1 cousins (socialists) societies face once the ideology gains a firm foothold in the culture, society and politics
I'm on the left, but I appreciate The Heritage Foundation giving these individuals a platform to speak. Everyone's testimony is compelling. But especially Julia's: "She had just survived a hysterectomy. Shaking and complaining of hot flashes she said she was not and had never been a woman. Quote: "It doesn't make me any less of a man that I have a vulva. It's there and it's masculine and it's a male and it's a man." As she said this my accuser snapped his fingers as if we were at a poetry reading. It was so fake and performative. He didn't care at all for what she had endured." I used to be a trans ally. Now "gender theory" has replaced trans activism. The giddiness of the snapping "ally" is a perfect example of the self-satisfied other-sacrificing aesthetisized politics of "gender theory." Contrast it with the sobriety of these speakers and you have your answer about who is being intellectually honest.
This is just one more thing the left lies about. Keep an open mind. For example, the left is consumed with wage inequality yet they want to flood the country with 3rd world labor. Do you think this will hurt the lower classes or higher classes? True compassion is not part of left wing thinking.
Gender theory has existed since the 1800s before there were even terms like homosexual and heterosexual... 😂😂😂 It's so clear nobody on this video has read a book on the matter.
Welcome to "The Fundemental CHANGE". What many are not seeing is the WHOLE picture. WHY are so many of our youth becoming Gender Confused? WHAT is behind the cause of the confusion and WHO is pushing this physical as well as psycological "Gender Confusion" that has a DIRECT impact on our ability to further reproduce MORE Western children. This is NOT about Homosexuality, as this has been a known sexual "choice" in same sex partners since the begining of time. This is about an Orchastrated ATTACK on the BIOLOGICAL functioning of the people living in Western Civilization and beyond. When you look at all the efforts being put into prohibiting the reproduction of human beings into Western Society, the entire picture becomes perfectly clear. When , without ANYONES permission, without anyones Vote, our entire food chain was replaced with Chemical saturated Genetically Modified frankenfood. Chemicals that we end up INGESTING, chemicals that run off into our water supply. These chemicals have been PROVEN to reek HAVIC in our entire bodies. They said GMO'S were the answer to WORLD HUNGER. why are children in Africa still starving/dying of malnutrition? These carefully chosen chemicals interfere with our Reproductive Systems as well as reek havic on our GastroIntestinal, Neurological and Systems. We are now seeing commercials on TV suggesting "If you have been exposed to Glyphosate, an ingredient in RoundUp, which is a KNOWN Carcinogen, you may be entitled to compensation ......" Glyphosate is a MAIN ingredient in ROUNDUP, the Chemical sprayed upon the replacment food, they are forcing us to eat. The remaining ingreduents, when combined with Glyphosate, create chemical compounds that are NOT condusive to LIFE, be it an insect, fish, birds, cattle, Domestic animals... or Humans. Another Herbicide that saturated the crops that replaced our REAL and HEALTHY "food" , contains ATRIZINE. Atrizine has been PROVEN to completely turn upside down the Reproductive System, so completely, that male frogs exposed to this chemical , start to PHYSICALLY change. They become "GENDER CONFUSED" as their hormones become totally out of sync. Eventually they loose their masculinity, upto and including the lack of scrotum/sperm production. There are videos showing male frogs attemting to have sex with other male frogs, as they can nolonger differentiate the 'female' hormone secretion of the female frogs, as it is also being secreated from the ONCE MALE frogs. These GLOBALIST Scientists ARE NOT STUPID. They KNEW this information, information they themselves witnessed in their studies. The United Nations plan for "REPLACMENT POPULATION" for the West, to "take care of" our inability/ failure to reproduce, wasn't created by chance, haphazardly. It wasn't simply the empty DESIRE to Culturally, Socially Religiously, Financially, Politically, Educationally, "Change" The West, into NWO Globalists lead, Marxist, Wahabbists. This process was a slow but sure process of cause and effect, yes. That "PROCESS" is now on steroids. If you look at the Chemicals these GMO crops are being saturated with, and include the use of the ingredients found in the MANDATED Vaccines, (Vaccines that have quadrupled in # the past 10 years) you will find toxic chemicals such as Polysorbate80, which is another name for "Tween80". Tween80, is the primary ingredient in "The Morning After" pill, designed to induce ABORTION. Lead, Mercury/Thermasol, all TOXIC heavy metals that our God Given, BloodBrain Barrier, USED to PREVENT from being able to cross over into our children's brains. Then, while they were experimenting with Parkinson meds, they discovered a chemical that could BREAKDOWN that protective Blood Brain barrier and made the CHOICE to add it to our childrens vaccinations as well as their food replacment, GMO'S, to ENSURE the TOXINS could work to their FULL capacity. Even GLOBALIST Bill Gates, said to a massive crowd, in one of his lectures, "IF WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH VACCINES, WE CAN REDUCE POPULATION GROWTH". Even the Floride, intentionally added to our drinking water, reeks HAVIC in our bodies Biological Functioning. Floride interferes with the delicate balance of Magnesium, Calcium, VitD, etc, etc, all of these are dependent on eachother. Floride completely disrputs this delcate balance.These Globalists are NOT stupid, they were/are WELL AWARE of what their onslaught of TOXIC CHEMICALS are doing to those in the Western World and beyond. All the while, Big Globalist Pharmacology, is selling us drugs to TREAT the SICKNESS, THEY themselves create. Add Globalist Eugenisist, Margeret Sanger, and her "Vision", in racial cleansing via Sterilization and ABORTION to the mix, and their vision of "Change" is nolonger a long saught out desire, but a fruitful addition, an assurity to "The Change". They evil Globalist's are even giving FALSE diagnosis to pregnant women, throughout the Western World, and encouraging them to abort their babies. These women, THOUSANDS of them, go for a second opinion, and find out, their was NOTHING wrong with their unborn child, but they were actually perfectly HEALTHY. Many Mothers and Fathers simply informed these "Doctors" they didn't care if their child would have a disabilty and REFUSED to abort.....only to give birth to ...PERFECTLY HEALTHY BABIES. If one looks at the WHOLE picture, the WHAT, WHY AND WHO are MORE then OBVIOUS
Thank you for opening up this topic to help educate parents. WE NEED A BIGGER DISCUSSION! When I was nine to eleven, I wanted to be a boy! I could beat every boy on the block at roller skating, field hockey, swimming and other sports. I wanted to be a boy and wondered why I was a girl. I was called a Tomboy and that was common for many girls! I am now a grandmother and have had an amazing life as a women. So happy I was not born in today's world. This is scary stuff for parents.
@@joggersforcake In today's world...if you aren't abiding by gender stereotypes as a kid...they declare you are transgender. If we allow this to continue...every kid that's not stereotypically doing what society dictates their gender should be doing, they will be prepped for hormones and surgery. Sound good????
BIG ERROR. Of the transgender students in the UK, are 69% born female identifying as male and 31% born male identifying as females? What is the reality? The transgender community uses the identity as the gender name. When studies are done, we need to have a standard of terms that relies on biology, not the vagaries of identity.
I am not looking forward to the spike in healthcare costs to pay for these lifetime patients who have already undergone HRT and surgery. This was never sustainable long term, even without the push back.
Proud of what. Why cant gay people be gay and live your lives without shoving it down our throats or the throats of our children. Do we have pride party for being straight? Many, many people are so sick and tired of this bullshit but say nothing and are thinking it. Especially when you have pride march in a public space with grown effing men having rubber dicks all over their bodies while children watch. I for one DONT WANT TO SEE THIS FUCKING CRAP. Do whatever you want, identify as a rock for all I care but I don't need to hear about it.
@@tudormiller8898 this radical feminist are hypocrites they just women to be an oppressed class, since trans people are highly marginalist this resentful women are afraid that trans people steal their victim privilege
The House is finished with hearings and have now passed this into law. I think you are right, though; most people have no idea. If you were hoping that Congress would be your bulwark against this kind of craziness then your trust is misplaced.
@@TofeldianSage Yes, the House held hearings and Julia Beck and other feminists were there pointing out how the so-called Equality Act erases women, is ruining women's sports, etc., but few House members were listening. You're right that it passed the House; it did not however pass the Senate or get signed into law by the Executive branch, so it is in limbo currently, thankfully.
As women's health provider I have been involved in many discussions regarding tubal sterilization. Federally funded insurances require an age of 21 to make that decision. Even then, it's almost impossible to find a physician willing to do this surgery for any women under 25 years old. Many will not do this under 30 years old. So it is astounding to me that radical surgeries and sterilizations can be performed on children under 18!
. [ Diane Justusson ], "sterilization" happens with cancer treatment too, do you propose denying cancer treatment for people under 25? Emancipation happens for children as young as 12, do you propose that emancipated children-as-adults not really be legally emancipated, because ... YOU object to their freedoms equal to your own? .
@@peterblaise That's not germane to the topic at hand. Cancer treatment wreaks havoc on the body, but we do it because there's no other choice; it's either that, for a chance at living a long(er) life, or it's death by cancer. You're likely to counter that a trans person will kill themselves if they don't get these elective procedures done, because that's the narrative we've been presented, but: 1) Most people who have gender dysphoria don't kill themselves. 2) Lots of people kill themselves for lots of reasons, but we don't and wouldn't recommend life-threatening surgery because they were at risk for that. 3) Suicide is homicide perpetrated upon the victim by him/herself. It is an intentional act, not the natural result of a disease. The trans medical debate is actually part of the much larger problem of the medicalization of the human experience. I fully support adults making these choices. I do not support children doing so, or medical practitioners carrying them out. I think it's a violation of medical ethics.
. [@@tarolantern9729 ], you wrote "... Thank you for sharing your perspective ..." but I asked questions that you did not respond to, repeat: [ Q1 ] "sterilization" happens with cancer treatment too, do you propose denying cancer treatment for people under 25? [ Q2 ] Emancipation happens for children as young as 12, do you propose that emancipated children-as-adults not really be legally emancipated, because ... YOU object to their freedoms equal to your own? Thanks in advance for your considered and exploratory reply. .
As somebody who at one point had two times the amount of testosterone of a typical male on medical laboratory tests (30 years ago), I did not grow one hair on my chin but merely had a low voice I loved the sound of. I know more than anybody how peoples' testosterone levels are either natural or completely phony and a mutilation of all naturalism-- an actual proactive aggressive avengement of other peoples' natural testosterone. I also know that a lot of people 'choosing' to take testosterone through 'medical monitoring' are total phonies trying to corner the authentic 'out of the market' for sexual and ego purposes. My unnatural doses of natural testosterone fizzed out when I had a baby and that was that. I think these people taking 'transgender' hormones are egotistical narcissist PHONIES-- in a competitive 'war' with the real thing and just getting their sadistic needs accommodated by a system out for $$$$$$$$$
Glad to see Heritage Foundation host these speakers. Sad situation we are faced with. However, why are there no men speaking on this topic? I think there are many gay men, straight men and fathers who would fit on this panel too.
36:02 It is just so freekin convenient, an actually heterosexual man, pretending to be a woman pretending to be homosexual, allowing him to come full circle and actually still be a heterosexual man, except now he is legally allowed to come into female only spaces and to arrogate the superior rights of women for himself as well. If I didn't know better (and I don't), I would say he perfectly trolling the whole feminist and homosexual communities, as well as the corrupted legal system that gives them presumptive rights above others.
What an eye opener, it was informative from both sides of the fence. I am a conservative christian but I am now willing to combine forces with Hands Across the Isle and anyone else that would work towards stopping this train wreck from hitting our society, this is truly a powerful example of manipulation and social engineering by power and money. Why cant people accept who we are and take what we are born with and build around these principles, instead we develop new social constructs to support our personal whims because the Grass is Always Greener Over the Septic Tank and we will be happier if we just ...........Guess what, same crap, different day.... I also concur with the comment on induction versus true biological need such as hermaphrodites. Make the best of what you are born with, and if impoverished by any circumstances them strive to improve yourself and surroundings without self mutalization to seek happiness and acceptance, a slippery slope.
NOTHING will change. NOTHING. The uber left hijacked the democratic party and they will do whatever it takes to regain power in the white house. Oh, speaking of white house are you aware that they want to do away with calling the white house WHITE? This means that nothing will be done because the gay lobby is enormous and very, very powerful.
. Yeah, [ LOC ], you're saying "... thank for initiating the fight for MY rights, all you trans gender people, but I've got MINE now, so screw you! ..." You're so grateful and kind ... not. Willfully ignorant, too. .
. [@@markmacpherson90 ], correct, gender is not a sexual orientation. But you confuse yourself by looking at those who are discriminated against, wondering who deserves discrimination, and who deserves relief. No, instead, the common thread is the one's doing the discriminating, look to them, as they cut a wide swath through any population, and they are never satiated, and it is their generational bigotry that is the sickness that needs attention and remedy. Regardless, LGBTQIAS+ are overlapping minorities who are non-conforming in their gender identification and presentation, but if you do not want to be associated with anyone, please don't, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. .
@@peterblaise I really don't have a problem with Transsexuals. The issue is keeping men out of women's spaces. Men are not women and never will be however life your life how you see fit, just leave women alone.
Energetically as a spiritual being having a human experience we are both yin and yang meaning both feminine and masculine energy. To reach our full potential in life we need a balance of both energies. However have said that Biologically you are born either male or female. It does not matter how you identify in your mind and body, in medical terms in scientific terms you are either male or female. It is great to be all inclusive, yet at the same time women’s and children’s rights need to be protected. Men should not be in women’s locker rooms with perhaps little girls present. Men should not be competing against women in competitions. This has gotten way out of control.
also these feminists need to understand the relationship between feminism and queer theory, feminist ideas are foundational to queer ideas, they are interrelated.
I am woe to say, in the spirit of cooperation with feminists on this issue, that the very same tactics that were used to not only achieve equality in law for women -- and then went on to demand/effectuate superior rights for women over men -- is now being used against the very feminists who exploited those tactics. The equality argument that then leads to removal of rights of other classes is the same here for transgenderism vs women, is the same as it was for women's rights vs men. As any MRA can show you, men have been relegated to second class status in society and effectuated law to women, and that is exactly what the feminists here are complaining about in the ascendancy of transgendered people's claimed rights, and what they will do to women's rights when the legal class of women is extinguished by any man who self-identifies as a woman. In fact they will claim superior rights as a transgendered woman to naturally gendered women. As it was pointed out, when men can take the very same superior rights women have won in law, it will minimize, actually equalize, those superior rights women have attained.
This discussion has to be in the mainstream. Most of the transgender ideology has thrived in privacy. Legislators need to feel the heat of their electorates, that this isn't something they are allowed to sleep walk through and sign off on because on the surface it seems fair. Quietly, quietly, whilst the western world has been preoccupied with Trump, Brexit, Macron, ISIS, the Syrian refugee crisis, the women who have been the truth tellers for years have been marginalised, bullied, no platformed, called bigots, been abused, harassed, threatened and been silenced. That is why the mainstream has been oblivious. And they need to keep it away from the mainstream, because their ideology just doesn't add up, as the panellists said. Their power over government and the medical profession, education and institutions exists because its been in a bubble with zero opposition or critical analyses. It has been confused with gay rights, civil rights, human rights. So the mainstream can also be the "cover" the panellists mentioned. Too many men are sitting back and crowing and thinking this is about bringing down the feminists. No. They have been the only line of defence thus far. This is about daughters, wives, mothers, sisters, friends. And there is definitely evidence coming in that its many conservative families that will have trans children because of homophobia and strict gender stereotypes. So there needs to be a big think from those who see themselves as traditionalists and conservatives. Any conservative family can fall prey to a daughter doing exactly what the first panellist described. Its RAPID. There is a medical infrastructure being built, waiting for the masses of trans people to start coming through. The gender clinics, the hospitals. They NEED people becoming trans. As Posie Parker, a UK woman who was a wife and mother became aware as she investigated what was happening in her surrounds, all our societal structures have already been groomed. Diversity training. The Girl Guides in the UK is starting to crack. They automatically bowed to instruction that they were to be gender inclusive. That means any man identifying as a woman can become Leaders. It means girls have to share space with boys who identify as girls. Parents were not informed of this. The first people to speak up against this have been dismissed. That's how its been working. So the right of a girl to enjoy the experience of learning and camping and socialising with other girls, free from sex, free from societal pressures, striving for merit and strength, have to sacrifice that to make a boy feel good about himself and include him. Girls who question this are considered to be bigoted and are removed. Boy wins. Girl loses. This girl Alexis... truly brave and had the guts where so many adults haven't.
We crow because the feminists created the groundwork for this, including by infiltrating public institutions and subverting their purpose to their ideology. The feminist movement spawned transgenderism, for goodness sakes. All that crap about patriarchy just got generalised to complaining about straight people and non-transgenders. That said, crowing is entirely unproductive, so you're still half right.
@@SeanusAurelius The feminist movement did not spawn transgenderism. That's a myth. MRA's aren't our friends. The LGBT, HRC is pushing this and medical boards. Modern day feminism is a joke, an infiltrated joke. This is why those women look so stupid in 3rd wave feminism because it's put women at the bottom and allow lgbt to call the shots. The LGBT uses it as a mask so if criticized they can blame feminism when really LGBT is heavily pushing this out using their media pals, lobbying. Gay men have the most clout in that movement and you don't see any gay men protesting against it for a reason. Look at what was written in the 80s by gay male activists. "Gay Revolutionary" and "The Overhauling of Straight America" They are very good at manipulating and if you think men's rights activism and any spot for mostly men haven't been infiltrated with goals to get straight men to turn on straight women (turn on families) ...you'd be shocked.
I'm gonna have to push back on men just standing back. The current rhetoric vilifies men. You say feminists are the only line of defense. Yes, maybe true from a certain point if view. But I cannot speak my mind without being called sexist or transphobe. Feminism has created a world where men "just don't understand your lived experience". Our opinion is not valid in the public space. The world of intersectionality has taken our voice away because of "patriarchy" and "power structures". The only time a man can be heard is when hes an "ally". Congratulations, and now "cis" women are next on the chopping block.
@@avocado6623Men have been standing back, only more recently are they lifting their head and smelling the coffee. Feminists have been the only line of defence, Radical Feminists, not intersectional, not liberal feminists, they have been silenced for YEARS, no platformed. Julie Bindel has felt the full brunt of the vindictive cult that is transgenderism. HAVE BEEN. Notice the past tense. Modern feminism, that there are different branches, that are contradictory to each other is problematic. Victim culture, identitarianism has made many people loathe "feminism". But all I can do is reiterate that this is a big enough problem, what those families are going through, its no longer about what feminists are doing. This is for everyone who questions queer theory and post modernism as a basis for our societies to be framed around. And mate, we're all bigots and transphobes now and that shit only holds weight for insecure twits who live in a bubble. Sorry, I don't have an issue of feminism being captained by women only. That men play the role of ally... yeah... great... and as trans identified males have shown, men just do not know what women are talking about what it is to grow up female. And I say that not as a "feminist". But you need to do some research on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd waves of feminism. Germaine Greer... famous 2nd waver, radical feminist... currently can't show her face publicly without protest from trans and intersectional feminists. See? There is conflict within feminism over this. I don't agree with a lot of modern feminism, either... but this is bigger than that. So you either want this version of reality or you don't. And conservatives are against it, too... a lot of traditional leftist warriors are speaking out now. Especially gay men. So... if you need to be validated by someone, somewhere first to care about this issue, look around. There is an identity somewhere you should be able to relate to... even though you hate that stuff, right? Otherwise... fuck off. You sound like a whiny MRA. And don't use the word "cis". For women or for men. The trans lobby DO NOT get to choose labels for the rest of us, thank you very much.
@@SeanusAurelius Yeah, Clorox Bleach is right and again, this jaundiced and unfortunately, ignorant idea of what feminism did/does was about... feminism centred the cause of women. Whether you agree with the stages of it, the methods used, whatever, its all up for grabs, obviously, I believe in free discussion, but feminism has been the same as racial civil rights... a class of people deemed to be second class. Women looked around at burgeoning democracy post enlightenment and saw they were left out in the cold. So they began the argument that they weren't second class citizens. If you have a problem with that... then, yeah, join the trans lobby because they have done the best job so far of undermining women as a class of people since the suffrage movement began. What is it? First they came for the radical feminists (aka TERFs), then women in general... and then they came for me... and tore apart biological reality. And queer theory... then you'll be thick in the argument of why no one has the right to have sex with your 8 year old child, even if they consented to sex. Ya hearing me?
Although I am traumatically sick of this whole issue, it is Very refreshing to listen to those who are taking an objective, realistic response and approach to this bizarre epidemic, that I fear the real causes of are so complex that I am not sure if language can fairly accommodate them. I have always HATED the LGBT equation, feeling that LGB is the OPPISITE of T and it has alienated and cornered me out of an active community. I am relieved to hear some people with good heads on their shoulders about this confusing epidemic in our culture these days. Strange, that the two cruelest people I ever knew in my life. closely, one who I was best friends with for ten years and the other I accidentally had sex with once which followed with a threat of false accuse of rape, both became F2M transgender and so I can not separate the narcissistic sadism from their 'cause.' Neither of them is a true male, neither of them can handle their testosterone, and both of them are confusing their sadistic cruel unforgivable natures for "being male."
Thank you. I hope you are being sincere. Sometimes people get so nasty and sarcastic towards my honest upfront views that they twist it all up into condescending sarcasm. I appreciate your approval of my proven opinion. Honestly, thank you very much; I am glad somebody agrees with me and has bothered to tell me.
@@Paisley26 Even more puzzling and disturbing is how does a female "accidentally" have "sex" with another female???!!! Never mind. Too repulsive to fathom.
Please sign the petition and share. Brown Univ. made an investigation on transgenders and because it doesn't fill the trans agenda they got bullied and took it out. Defend academic freedom and scientific inquiry. Please sign www.ipetitions.com/petition/brown-university-and-plos-one-defend-academic
. [ @@limepiper3650 ], no Brown University did NOT make an "investigation on transgenders" as that's not what universities do. A professor did a non-academic non-scientific "report", then represented it as scientific, then peer reviews at first blush accepted it, but subsequent reviews tossed it as non-scientific, the professor has not been censored or silenced or prevented from publishing, it's available wherever the professor self publishes. Science deniers seem ardent in their "reports" in spite of being non-scientific ... oh well. .
I just shared on Facebook. Not sure how many people will look at it, though. Most people seem more interested in sound bytes than in hour long videos actually examining issues.
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Quite possibly one of the most eye opening videos that I think everyone on either side of the political spectrum should take the time to at least listen to.
i love the fact that only the moment girls are affected, that anyone is taking some kind of action. should say alot about what our society is interested in protecting and helping.
Lord MentaLxx not sure what you mean when medical "professionals" are clearly targeting boys as well as girls. Maybe you could expand on your idea because the demographics of the subjects of this experiment seriously interests me.
You may not give up your rights willingly, but you will give them up. The same as cops, soldiers and firefighters. We are all equal under the law. Live with it!
This panel was spot on and the entire presentation was eye opening. However they failed to also demonstrate how this is going affect Christian institutions. Scary path we are headed on.
Count me in as skeptical to say the least of this movement. My biological daughter is a near similar story as she got T so easily...12:15 we have a similar story but not as extreme as this one...but similar.
Welcome to "The Fundemental CHANGE". What many are not seeing is the WHOLE picture. WHY are so many of our youth becoming Gender Confused? WHAT is behind the cause of the confusion and WHO is pushing this physical as well as psycological "Gender Confusion" that has a DIRECT impact on our ability to further reproduce MORE Western children. This is NOT about Homosexuality, as this has been a known sexual "choice" in same sex partners since the begining of time. This is about an Orchastrated ATTACK on the BIOLOGICAL functioning of the people living in Western Civilization and beyond. When you look at all the efforts being put into prohibiting the reproduction of human beings into Western Society, the entire picture becomes perfectly clear. When , without ANYONES permission, without anyones Vote, our entire food chain was replaced with Chemical saturated Genetically Modified frankenfood. Chemicals that we end up INGESTING, chemicals that run off into our water supply. These chemicals have been PROVEN to reek HAVIC in our entire bodies. They said GMO'S were the answer to WORLD HUNGER. why are children in Africa still starving/dying of malnutrition? These carefully chosen chemicals interfere with our Reproductive Systems as well as reek havic on our GastroIntestinal, Neurological and Systems. We are now seeing commercials on TV suggesting "If you have been exposed to Glyphosate, an ingredient in RoundUp, which is a KNOWN Carcinogen, you may be entitled to compensation ......" Glyphosate is a MAIN ingredient in ROUNDUP, the Chemical sprayed upon the replacment food, they are forcing us to eat. The remaining ingreduents, when combined with Glyphosate, create chemical compounds that are NOT condusive to LIFE, be it an insect, fish, birds, cattle, Domestic animals... or Humans. Another Herbicide that saturated the crops that replaced our REAL and HEALTHY "food" , contains ATRIZINE. Atrizine has been PROVEN to completely turn upside down the Reproductive System, so completely, that male frogs exposed to this chemical , start to PHYSICALLY change. They become "GENDER CONFUSED" as their hormones become totally out of sync. Eventually they loose their masculinity, upto and including the lack of scrotum/sperm production. There are videos showing male frogs attemting to have sex with other male frogs, as they can nolonger differentiate the 'female' hormone secretion of the female frogs, as it is also being secreated from the ONCE MALE frogs. These GLOBALIST Scientists ARE NOT STUPID. They KNEW this information, information they themselves witnessed in their studies. The United Nations plan for "REPLACMENT POPULATION" for the West, to "take care of" our inability/ failure to reproduce, wasn't created by chance, haphazardly. It wasn't simply the empty DESIRE to Culturally, Socially Religiously, Financially, Politically, Educationally, "Change" The West, into NWO Globalists lead, Marxist, Wahabbists. This process was a slow but sure process of cause and effect, yes. That "PROCESS" is now on steroids. If you look at the Chemicals these GMO crops are being saturated with, and include the use of the ingredients found in the MANDATED Vaccines, (Vaccines that have quadrupled in # the past 10 years) you will find toxic chemicals such as Polysorbate80, which is another name for "Tween80". Tween80, is the primary ingredient in "The Morning After" pill, designed to induce ABORTION. Lead, Mercury/Thermasol, all TOXIC heavy metals that our God Given, BloodBrain Barrier, USED to PREVENT from being able to cross over into our children's brains. Then, while they were experimenting with Parkinson meds, they discovered a chemical that could BREAKDOWN that protective Blood Brain barrier and made the CHOICE to add it to our childrens vaccinations as well as their food replacment, GMO'S, to ENSURE the TOXINS could work to their FULL capacity. Even GLOBALIST Bill Gates, said to a massive crowd, in one of his lectures, "IF WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH VACCINES, WE CAN REDUCE POPULATION GROWTH". Even the Floride, intentionally added to our drinking water, reeks HAVIC in our bodies Biological Functioning. Floride interferes with the delicate balance of Magnesium, Calcium, VitD, etc, etc, all of these are dependent on eachother. Floride completely disrputs this delcate balance.These Globalists are NOT stupid, they were/are WELL AWARE of what their onslaught of TOXIC CHEMICALS are doing to those in the Western World and beyond. All the while, Big Globalist Pharmacology, is selling us drugs to TREAT the SICKNESS, THEY themselves create. Add Globalist Eugenisist, Margeret Sanger, and her "Vision", in racial cleansing via Sterilization and ABORTION to the mix, and their vision of "Change" is nolonger a long saught out desire, but a fruitful addition, an assurity to "The Change". They evil Globalist's are even giving FALSE diagnosis to pregnant women, throughout the Western World, and encouraging them to abort their babies. These women, THOUSANDS of them, go for a second opinion, and find out, their was NOTHING wrong with their unborn child, but they were actually perfectly HEALTHY. Many Mothers and Fathers simply informed these "Doctors" they didn't care if their child would have a disabilty and REFUSED to abort.....only to give birth to ...PERFECTLY HEALTHY BABIES. If one looks at the WHOLE picture, the WHAT, WHY AND WHO are MORE then OBVIOUS
I'm proud of the Heritage Foundation for giving these Feminists a platform to speak. But as a conservative and a traditionalist, I can't help but notice the glaring irony of the situation. Feminists and Leftists have labored for decades to create our "modern", dysfunctional cultural and political environment. And now that the dystopian madness is threatening to consume them, they seek comfort and assistance from the very people they have maligned for so long. It's difficult to offer sympathy to the unrepentant arsonist, who is remorseful for the forest fire she has set, only because the flames are now consuming her house.
What a perfect comment, sir. These feminist should not be treated as friends, because we never will be, but as tools for us to dismantle the left's control on our nation.
@@ulrichgray5497 Thank you, Ulrich. To be honest, I'm struggling to understand why they find this issue so offensive. For decades, Feminists have enthusiastically supported the "right" of a minor girl to obtain an abortion with ZERO parental consent. They drone on endlessly about "rape culture", but seem utterly unwilling to acknowledged that some one inseminated that minor girl, and it most likely was some form of rape. We are simply witnessing the logical progression of a multi-generational compounding of really bad ideas and philosophies.
@@BoffinGrusky I know why, because they are no longer seen as the main victim group that will receive all the benefits of protection by the state. Now sexually confused men have taken their spotlight, and these white cisgendered women are at the bottom of the victimhood ladder, no longer a priority for the modern intersectional feminism. And why they come to us to be heard, because us conservative and traditional men made the mistake of allowing this to happen, will we continue a new cycle?
@@ulrichgray5497 I think you are spot-on with your assessment. It's the Victim Olympics in full bloom. And just so you know, I didn't allow this to happen - I was grossly outnumbered. :) In most circles, I'm known as a regressive misogynist, and I've always been very proud of the label.
They know feminism is dying in the west so now they’re bargaining with the right. Now is the time to discuss what they’ll give up for us to work with them
You have to be 18 to buy cigarettes and 21 to buy alcohol, but an eight year old can change gender without parental consent? Yep, the world has gone batshit crazy.
All I can say is... they were all warned. Many times. If they are serious enough about this one issue... then I think that they need to show that they are serious enough to actually revisit their stances and positions... where they used political trickery, manipulation of the language, and coordinated activism to achieve all of the goals they personally wanted to achieve... without respect for broader consequences... some of which are affecting them now. They were told that traditional structures have a reason for their existence. They were told that the accumulated wisdom of many thousands of years... even hundreds of thousands, is somewhat beyond our comprehension and that transitory political fads are inherently dangerous experiments which have to be approached carefully and honestly. They were told in no uncertain terms that identity politics was inherently evil. Inherently dangerous. Maybe now they get it. Then again, maybe not. The left has a peculiar talent of assuming conflicting beliefs on a situational basis... telling themselves (and everyone else) whatever they need to say to get what they want. Those lesbians think it's ok that they corrupted the very notion of marriage... the mating pair of our species. They think it's ok that they got hold of a child that really belongs with its mother and father... corrupting the very notion of family. And in all of this they did not mind. Now people more radical and thoughtless than they've been have come along and corrupted the very notion of gender, and suddenly they don't like it. Well, you taught those radicals that came after you how to be radical. You taught them how to successfully corrupt the structures and ideas that have survived millennia... and to do so without concern or serious reflection. After all, activism is about action, not reflection. If you want to save more children then you have to denounce that which imperils them... the thoughtless mob of activists known as the political left. You've been busy silencing everyone unlike you... in a display of profound intolerance. How ironic that those that you've silenced with your politics... now are the only people that will listen to you in your time of need. They call the capitulation of mental health professionals pathetic. Well, they didn't when that same mental health professionals capitulated to gay activists too. You *were* warned. I am sympathetic... BUT HAVE YOU LEARNED A LESSON HERE?
You're conflating a lot of disparate trends here. > Those lesbians think it's ok that they corrupted the very notion of marriage... the mating pair of our species You're right that the mating pairbond is one of the distinctive traits of our species which separates us from the rest of the primates. It's observed in all human cultures (despite what the polyamorists claim). It exists because our species gives birth to its young when it is really still a fetus, and therefore requires much more care than one parent can provide. But: That isn't what the marriage debate was about. That's an incorrect conservative conflation as well. The same-sex marriage debate was not about breeding, or cultural/religious marriage. It was about LEGAL marriage. It was about the right of an adult to designate another adult as his/her LEGAL PARTNER. -Someone who can visit them in the hospital without permission, someone who can make financial and medical decisions for them if incapacitated, someone who inherits all of their stuff if they die suddenly, someone who can file joint taxes... If you're against allowing an adult to designate whomever they want to fill that role, you are against personal freedom and liberty. No one was ever suggesting that a church could not legally refuse to carry out a same-sex wedding. No one was ever suggesting that religions had to edit their scriptures to allow homosexuality. No one was even suggesting that people couldn't roll their eyes when they heard a woman refer to another woman as her "wife." You're free to do all those things, and that was never in question. Even as an atheist, I would be resolutely against the first two hypotheticals, if they arose, and would protect your right to the last, even though I think it's rude. The easy way out of that debate, I always thought, was to rename ALL legal marriages "civil unions," since there is a fundamental difference between the cultural/religious institution of marriage, and the legal institution of the same name. > Now people more radical and thoughtless than they've been have come along and corrupted the very notion of gender, and suddenly they don't like it. Again, you're conflating. Their issue is NOT over whether people should have the right to start dressing and acting like the gender that is traditionally associated with the opposite set of genitals from what they were born with. Their issue is with ALLOWING CHILDREN TO EMBARK ON DANGEROUS MEDICAL JOURNEYS WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS' PERMISSION. Again, it's about LEGALITY. If a kid comes out as homosexual, that's actually pretty low-impact, and if it turns out to be a phase (like it is with many girls, although my fellow lefties would not like me pointing that out), they just switch teams later. All it is is behavior. However, if a kid comes out as trans, a doctor wants to step in and pump them full of hormones and cut off parts of their body. What happens if it turns out to be a phase or (what I suspect), a fad? That's the issue. If an adult wants to do that, then fine. But a kid should not have the ability to fundamentally alter his/her body without parents' permission. We do this not because we're meanies, but because humans aren't really good at conceptualizing long-term consequences until their 20s. There is plenty of cognitive science to back that up. There is also a biological/anthropological angle to this: Homosexuality (especially male) occurs in every society, just like marriage does. And there are men who act more feminine and women who act more masculine in every society, too. But this idea that up to 5 people out of every 100 are "born as the wrong gender?" No. That doesn't happen. That number is way off, and therefore can only really be accounted for by cultural differences. Furthermore, there has been VIRTUALLY NO cognitive/neuroscience support for this idea that transgender people were "born in the wrong body." Gender roles, however, DO show up in almost identical forms in all human societies, and in the womb, male and female fetuses are treated differently by the mother's body, in the number/intensity of testosterone washes. It is very clear that gender identity is NOT socially-constructed, but, rather, is biological. So how do we LEGALLY handle transgender people in a free country that values personal liberty? -The same way we have been: When you're old enough to be considered competent, you can choose to undergo dangerous hormone treatments and have parts of your body lopped off. You can change your name (although I'm not sure about legally changing gender, for health reasons-a transgender body is still the original body with some technological modifications, and EMTs/doctors need to know what hardware they're actually working with). The issue is when we start using LAW to enforce CULTURE. As a liberal, one of the main reasons I oppose a lot of conservative policy positions is that I believe they are overstepping the bounds of what the government has any right to control. The government of the US is supposed to protect freedom without taking sides. Denying people the right to choose their own legal partner because religion says that those people shouldn't be having sex is an abuse of governmental power. The religious angle is irrelevant. However, denying parents the right to make medical decisions for their kids because a social movement (that is indistinguishable from religion) believes it's wrong to question the whims of teenagers is ALSO an abuse of governmental power. I think that gender tracks almost 1:1 to biological sex, but I also believe in freedom, and if an adult feels happier presenting as the opposite gender, or no gender at all, then I will defend that right. But I can't defend doctors making irrevocable changes to developing bodies based on their personal values. Mister Fusion, since you bring up "learning a lesson" in your closing, allow me to continue the analogy: Here's your homework: Go through your ideas on what policies you support and ask yourself why. If the answer is not "it provides for more personal liberty without costing anyone else's," then it's just a personal value, and doesn't belong in law. The only way that any of us can be free is if we respect and protect the freedom of others, even if we don't like those people or their beliefs.
@@g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o You're simply confused. Example... you think you understand the marriage debate. You do not. All you understand is the one sided conversation that gay activists forced into the courts. You're just parroting what THEY say the issue was... when in fact it was fake. False. Bogus. Making someone a "legal partner" is utter bullshit. Marriage is ********OLDER******** than LAW. What you witnessed, but simply don't comprehend, is that someone used the modern constructs of LAW to assert itself OVER THE ANCIENT REALITIES OF MARRIAGE. Marriage is NOT a legal concept (again, reference that it is much older than law). You might understand this better if you reflect on a case where the LAW proclaimed a man was deceased (as he was missing) The man eventually went before the courts to remedy this, but the courts held firm. They said "you are still dead", in effect, directly to his face. Courts can say ****ANYTHING****. But courts can not change reality. Marriage is the name we give to the mating pair of our species. Period. Then con-artists went before a court and got away with a big lie... one that you repeat here. Law can declare the skies neon green if it wants to. It's still a lie. The issue is, why would you agree to such a lie?
@@RyderSpearmann I'm afraid it's you who is confused, as you're muddling up disparate concepts and treating them as a single thing. The only aspect of marriage over which a governing body has any power is the legal aspect. That is the only aspect that the legal debate was about. Again, if you want to believe there's some aspect of marriage that transcends what it is legally defined as, then that's your right. I agree that every human culture practices some form of it (serial monogamy is the norm, as it is in our culture as well, and most people settle down with some partner who doesn't change around the time that the hormones die down, as is the case in our culture as well), so we're in agreement that it is "ancient." I'd rephrase that as "biologically driven," because "ancient" doesn't imply that it's right or appropriate, only that it's old. Sacrificing children to make it rain is ancient as well, but I doubt you are in support of it. As for the "deceased" argument... Well, it's not an argument. It's an anecdote, sans citation. I fully expect that such a thing has happened, but even then... The courts are not telling him he's dead; they're telling him he's LEGALLY dead. Dead in the paperwork. If the law declared the skies green, the skies would be legally green. Yes. It would not change the color of the sky (although you've picked a very bad example, because colors themselves are a cultural construct-different language groups parse the spectrum of visible light into named colors differently; here in Japan, much of what we English speakers would consider "green" is considered "blue"-those boundaries are entirely artificial), however, for matters of legality, the sky would be understood to be green. No one denies that law is a human construct. In fact, that is precisely the point. Legal marriage is a wholly human construct, and as such, can be freely altered as desired. In our society, we value freedom and liberty, and to deny some people the right to selecting a legal partner because they can't procreate... is a violation of their liberties. The fact that you don't agree with the philosophy of same-sex marriage is wholly beside the point. The fact that same-sex couples can't naturally procreate is also beside the point. If you have a hard time differentiating between law, nature, and philosophy, you've got bigger problems than simply using too many asterisks.
@libertydefined31 I definitely take your point about jurisdiction, since marriage licenses are granted by the states. It definitely was a gray area. In general, in stark contrast to most liberals, I'm in favor of states' rights. The argument was, therefore, much more about discrimination, which is handled by the federal government. But even if it were a state issue, all it takes is one state to do them, and the rest of the states would have had to honor those marriages because of the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution. Just as you can drive in Nebraska if you're from Colorado, you are married in South Carolina if you're married in Oregon. As for illegal immigration, I think that gets muddied up as well. 1) Immigration has been shown time and again to boost the economy. More people doing more work means more money being generated. As an American, unless you're 100% indigenous (whether that be Native American or Latin)-and no one is-you are the descendant of immigrants. And a lot of us are pretty recent, even. The British side of my family emigrated right after the Civil War, and my great-grandfather emigrated from Germany just after the turn of the 20th century, and married another recent German immigrant. The rise of the US economy was due to a massive influx of labor. This has been studied to death. Immigration, no matter whether it's legal or not, boosts the economy. But... 2) What "boosts the economy" means is always up for debate. More people = more money = bigger economy. Any study of this needs to look at real wages and see if that "boost" is shared fairly. As a left-leaner, I'm gonna promise you that it's not (Support for "open borders"-which is utter nonsense, by the way-has NOT been a traditionally left-leaning policy!). Who benefits when there's a massive influx of people who are willing to work for much less than the local population-a population expects crazy things like not sleeping 12 dudes on the floor of a one-bedroom apartment so they can Western Union most of their paycheck back home to support their wives and kids? Well, duh, it's whomever is employing them. Lower labor costs mean more profits for them. This also, I strongly suspect, exerts downward pressure on wages for workers in industries where much of the work can be carried out by people who barely even speak the local language. Where once someone could graduate high school (or not!) and get a decent-paying job in a beef plant and work long enough that they figure out that school was better than this, or that they move into management, now companies like that can essentially hire a slave class of people who will take lower pay and worse conditions because they know that if they speak up, they'll be ICE'd the night before payday. I strongly, strongly suspect that illegal immigration does boost corporate profits, and therefore appears to boost the economy, but does so at the expense of the working class. I don't consider myself a socialist (much of socialist ideology is indistinguishable from religion), but come on: That's a textbook case of proletariat vs. bourgeoisie. 3) What also gets muddled into this, though, is racism and xenophobia. It's true that a lot of "build the wall" people feel that way because they don't like brown people who speak Spanish at Walmart. People who oppose immigration on racial/ethnic grounds actually hurt the controlled-immigration cause because they are so easy to dismiss. The overwhelming majority of people sneaking over the border are not rapists or drug dealers. They're coming to do crappy manual labor because the US dollar is stronger than the peso, and they need to support people back home. They're willing to work insanely hard for relatively little because they love their families. These are good people making a desperate choice because their own countries' economies are jacked. The immigration question must be wholly divorced from questions of race/ethnicity if it is to be discussed rationally. It doesn't matter who the people are or what they look like or what they speak. The questions are simply: "Have they gone through the proper channels to immigrate to this country", "Have they secured the proper visa to work", and "Is that visa still valid?" It is not racist to insist that people respect the laws of the country they are moving to, and avail themselves of the policies and procedures set up to allow them in. Neither is it racists to expect someone who expects to live in a country permanently to speak the local language at at least an intermediate level. -And I'm saying this as a guy who has lived in Japan for most of the past 20 years. You have to do your paperwork. You have to apply. You have to be accepted. You have to report to immigration to renew your visa. And eventually, you may be able to apply for permanent residency so you don't have to keep going down to the office every year or three to renew. There are procedures and policies, and it is not racist to expect people to adhere to them. 4) Finally, The Wall (not the Pink Floyd masterpiece): The question for me is simply: "Would it be worth the money?" Would it curtail illegal immigration enough, hopefully (and I suspect this is true, but so far the research on this suggests otherwise) raising low-skilled workers' wages and therefore improving the Main Street economy, to offset the massive expenditure necessary to build the darn thing? Again, the research so far suggests that it would not. The problem, though, is that I suspect the research has likely been carried out by neo-con/neo-lib think tanks, etc., and might have been designed in such a way as to ensure that outcome. Until the anti-illegal-immigration stance can be purged of its racist xenophobia and focused on economic effects, it won't get anywhere. We're coming off of three presidential administrations (Clinton, Bush II, Obama) whose economic policy, when you strip the rhetoric, has been exactly the same (well, actually, Obama was the strictest with regard to deportations). I think the only way forward for us as a nation (and I may not live there now, but I still want a nice place to move back to some day!) is to reject the lie that we are at odds with each other. We're not. Polls of American opinion on many of the big issues of the day show that public opinion is pretty unified, even across party lines. Many of the things Trump got his support from saying are classically ECONOMICALLY LEFTIST positions. What makes me optimistic these days, though, is that I feel like people are waking up. I feel like people are starting to notice that people "on the other side" are saying the same things they are. I think that people are starting to realize that, since deregulation of the media has resulted in 5 companies controlling ALL the "news," the "news" is better understood as "oligarchs' talking points." We've been manipulated for decades at this point. The scary thing, though, is that it gets very hard to tell what to believe. Finally, as for the political correctness, remember that none of this is law. It's culture. The only real danger is that a handful of moonbats are trying to make their philosophies/cultural values into policy or law, and yes, we must fight that. But the reason we must fight that is not that they're wrong (they are, but that's not the reason), but because in America, no one has the right to wield the power of government to ENFORCE his/her own little vision of utopia. That doesn't matter if it's "evangelical Christians" (full disclosure: I'm an atheist raised evangelical, but what I was raised believing about right and wrong and how to treat my fellow children of God bears no resemblance to what I see being labeled "evangelical" now), or ivory-tower queer theorists (full disclosure: I'm a university professor in the humanities, but more on the quantitative end). We all gotta live here, and the promise of America is that the government is not going to get in your way unless you're actively, materially damaging someone. Hurt feelings are outside the scope of government; sorry. The government does not exist to provide its citizens with happiness, validation, or other warm fuzzies. It's there to provide economic and military services. The government is not God.
I don't understand, if the science and medical studies aren't conclusive, why would any medical professional open themselves up to this sort of malpractice litigation or negligence suit?
'Attacked very personally and very viciously if you don't go along with it' - I don't understand how these people would be in a position to object. Do you remember what would happen to someone if they didn't think gay marriage was a good idea? Or you didn't think a woman would make just as good a fireman as a man? Or you thought a child should be raised by a married man and woman? You were attacked personally and viciously until you went along with it. All those ideas were rammed down our throats in previous decades, and to the satisfaction of each of these panelists. Now that they have yet another group trying to ram ideas down their own throats they feel that its somehow not right to do that? They are turning to the public for some sympathy, and getting a deadpan look in reply. I wouldn't dare stick out my neck to help any of these people. They're on their own. But when it comes to raising my own children and their children, I am very aware of which ideas people have attempted to ram down my throat over the years, and they are all defeated quietly in my family. My children are 100 % normal, and so are my grandchildren. I ignore the lot of you, and always have.
@@gmeister03, these people have been diligently picking at the social fabric for decades, and feeling like it has had an all-positive effect on our society. Now that they would like to rely on the social fabric to enforce some normalcy they're finding the fabric is in poor condition and not really able to help them. You kind of wait for the light to come on, but it never does. They never seem to make the connection. They're so used to being the beneficiaries of these artificial social advances that they have no experience of being the ones called on to pay for it. As I said above, my solution had always been to go off-grid. Publicly I say nothing, privately I regard them as lunatics and dangerous to my family. I suspect I am not alone.
Anyone find it ironic that hyper feminist are rooting for women to turn into men? Or that trans men are dominating women in their own sports? Seems like the very thing they didn’t want.
reminds me of a quote from Marcus Aurelius, "To receive the impressions of forms by means of appearances belongs even to animals; to be pulled by the strings of desire belongs both to wild beasts and to men who have made themselves into women, and to a Phalaris and a Nero"
Colin Ely You mean like leading with the premise that trans-women aren’t women? When you have pre-conceived notions about the validity of trans-women, there is no logical avenue for a discussion of substance. How can you level with me, when you’re never on it? Now bow to me, simpletons.
@@yahoohotmail4127 in Samoan culture they have Males , Females and Fa'afafine,who are neither Males nor Females. It's just like no one is 'Assigned Male at Birth, Doctors keep making decisions just like they always have ☺
This breaks my heart I feel so helpless with so many things. Maybe they are pushing it because they are unhappy and they want everybody to change to feel more accepted.
I am a radfem and as leftist as they come. I am also a desistor who considered transitioning but decided against it, both for medical reasons and because I realized one cannot change their sex.
I agree that men in general are not thinking about the issue properly, because they have lived different lives, and have never experienced the fear that women can feel on a daily basis when doing things which men take for granted. My partner gets angry with me when I bring up the issue of men being allowed access to women's spaces, yet when I tried to explain the issues he shuts me up saying he doesn't care. Yesterday I excluded him from a social meeting with a friend because I want to be able to express my views and discuss them without experiencing intolerance. Today he listened to me for the first time while I described part of the sheer volume of rapes, sexual assaults, harassment, bullying, stalking, groping and mysogeny I have endured and witnessed other females being subjected to. Added to that is my horror at the growing sexualisation anbd indoctrination of youngsters around an ideology they are far too young to comprehend. He had no idea that girls and boys are being placed on puberty blockers, hormones which are inappropriate for their bodies, then having sexual organs removed, or the phenomena of teenage girls being groomed online by trans ideology, leading to an explosion of the numbers of youngsters seeking "gender reassignment treatments", which are a total misnomer, and surely must be breaking the trades descriptions laws. We as tax payers are funding costly procedures which are sterilising and mutilating youngsters, and disabling them for life. This is not acceptable. Women need to be listened to for a change, and men need to listen and stand by us. If someone wants to be trans, then men who "identify as women" should be called trans men; and women who identify as men should be called "trans women". That would remove at least some of the confusion which some people appear to experience over defining what a woman is.
Parents used to not let kids get tattooed until they turn 18. Now they are applauded for letting minors have elective surgery and hormone therapy with serious and permanent consequences. Adults need to act like adults until children mature to be able to make their own decisions.
. [ Chris Rose ], doctors used to decide FOR a baby born with ambiguous genitals and operate without hesitation, parents STILL get all kinds of plastic surgery for their kids, nose jobs, ear tucks, chin lifts, parents and doctors cut off parts of a baby boy's penis, and parents often get baby girl's ears pierced ... and your attention to those realities is? NO ONE in support of a trans gender child is giving hormones with serious and permanent consequences to minors, please look stuff up and read current worldwide references for support of trans gender children and educate yourself with some facts. I learned a lot from a search for: Spack how I save transgender teen's lives There's way more out there, please report back after you have studied current protocols, and please correct your errant posts -- thanks. .
@@peterblaise I'm always willing to find out I'm wrong, but you're telling me that no minors are being given hormones or hormone blockers? For the record I'm for adults making whatever well considered choice they want to make, however I think it would be difficult for anyone to make an informed choice because the only research that seems to be currently allowed around the topic supports a particular POV.
. [@@chrisrose2803 ], you don't understand research, it does not support a point of view, it's research. Opinion supports a point of view, hence "opinion" is defined as "belief not based on fact". Fear not to read research and make up your own mind. Start with the hundreds of references at the bottom of Wikipedia articles ... see you back here in 5 years. .
. [@@chrisrose2803 ] read worldwide standards of care for trans gender youth. Also read what puberty blockers are ( first used for early-onset puberty, such as 3 and 4 year olds, by the way, having nothing to do with being trans gender, and a safe and well established protocol, and NOT a hormone ) -- enjoy your research. .
@@peterblaise The method of science (propose a hypothesis and test it) aims to be free of bias, but it is never performed in an environment free of bias. I'm not aware of all the research you mentioned (and I don't have 5 years to dedicate to it), but my perspective potentially flawed as it is comes from when I hear legitimate inquiries being shut down because it supports a different view. Dr. Kenneth Zucker, who had been a leading clinician in this field had his clinic in Toronto, shutdown in 2015 because he was advocating a wait and see protocol with gender dysphoric individuals. From his experience a majority of patience grow to be comfortable with their identities as cis gender homosexuals, rather than transgender individuals. Furthermore recent research on rapid-onset gender dysphoria has been attacked and deemed "pseudo-scientific". No doubt the Littman research isn't the most rigorous study, relying on self reported surveys, but this is not uncommon for exploratory research. The backlash it received didn't seem to be focused on its scientific merits but rather a moral condemnation to signal that this was not a valid area of inquiry to follow. These moral attacks and stifling of inquiry makes it less likely that people and institutions will be willing to keep studying these difficult topics.
One thing missing from this discussion is that there are literally millions of people alive today who were prenatally exposed to high doses of artificial female hormones (estrogens and progestins), usually as part of treatment aimed at reducing the likelihood of the mother miscarrying or giving birth prematurely. From my own experiences and from talking to other people with a known or suspected history of exposure to these drugs, the male assigned children from these pregnancies often end up permanently feminized, both physically and psychologically. Doctors have been hiding the physical anomalies by reclassifying things that are actually signs intersexed development has taken place (e.g. hypospadias and undescended testicles), as "genital anomalies of unknown etiology", and usually operating on the affected children soon after birth to make them look more like ordinary males. A second effect of these drugs is that they can prevent the brain from masculinising fully (or at all), producing people who look male enough to have been assigned male at birth, but have intersexed or female brains. Unsurprisingly, these people with feminised brains often have a strong inner sense of being a woman, despite having a body with male genitals and being regarded as male by everyone around them. Hardly any of the children from pregnancies where hormones were used know they were exposed, which has helped obscure the connection, but nonetheless, the link between the earliest and best known of these drugs, diethylstilbestrol (or DES), and transgender, is something that's been talked about within the transgender community for years. A study published in 2005 found that 150 of the 500 DES "sons" participating in the study identified as women rather than men. Here's some personal stories of people who were prenatally exposed to DES: facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/a-tragic-des-intersex-story/1910413039261661/ facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/medical-incompetence-causes-gender-dysphoria/1910445085925123/ facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/des-and-the-other-half-of-it/1910852755884356/ facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/a-transsexual-biography-parts-1-and-2/1911708495798782/
That's actually interesting, albeit of limited application to millennial transgenders. I'm a hardcore conservative on transgenderism (I think self-ID is a load of crap) but could accept that a brain could have its gender profoundly influenced by hormones or drugs during gestation.
@@Maksie0 Things can be true in medicine for a long time before being proven by large number studies. The idea that synthetic estrogens during gestation might profoundly influence the brain is plausible on the face of it. Let the DES people share their stories and if it looks plauisble enough, test it with real science. As long as they accept that it's not proven yet and not going to be the basis of policy until it's proven it's all good by me.
@w reed There are apparently now such a thing as "transtrenders": "The typically female, present-day equivalent of what every other "bisexual" girl in the 00's actually was. (A straight white privileged girl who wanted to seem ~edgy~.) " "Transtrenders are basically gender-conforming cisgender people pretending to be transgender and using different pronouns because they think it makes them special, and want to be able to say that they are oppressed by being in the transgender community because they think it makes them look cool. Transtrenders are incredibly disrespectful to real transgender people, making a mockery of what transgender people experience, invalidating the problems and hurt that real transgender people face, and turning these people's identity into a fashion trend." www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transtrender So a small part of what you say may be true. However, just because there are may be a few bandwagon jumpers (who will grow out of it, it's no fun living in a body opposite to the sex you identify as), doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people who are genuinely transgender. From my own experiences and from talking to other people with a known or suspected history of being prenatally exposed to doctor prescribed synthetic female hormones, I can tell you that being trans is a real phenomenon that results from the wrong hormones being present during the critical time the brain is developing, preventing the brain from masculinizing (MTFs), or causing it to become inappropriately masculinized (FTMs). Many of us have physical symptoms of intersex as well, something that gets completely glossed over by the transgender healthcare industry.
This is all so tragic.... One thing I wish these women would understand that they and so many others do not seem to, is that title IX and the 'Civil Rights Act', were and are evil. Two wrongs do not make a right, they exacerbate a bad situation and we are where we were destined to be when we accepted these evils as the solutions to problems, when in fact they ultimately created larger problems. As they correctly mention a few times, many people have not thought things through. Indeed. We are fighting a losing battle.... reason will not work with the enemy that we are dealing with. Look around, it hasn't yet in 100+ years, and we're on the precipice of an unprecedented societal disaster. Feminists may correctly understand the power and money they are up against. They mistakenly think that a great many men do not. That same power backed their movement not long ago, and has turned on them. Promoting women's rights has never been this power's agenda, nor is promoting 'trans rights' the goal now. The goal is confuse, divide, and conquer. The money backing these movements has never cared about the people who believe in them that are used as pawns to promote a larger agenda. There are very evil people in power pulling the strings. All that said, I applaud the attempt and it is a noble and valiant one. In the end though, so long as they hold some evils dear, they will not be able to escape the coming bigger evils. What are they? Well... a few were mentioned, but think this all through.... the erasure of women (and men!) is just part of what is coming. Until these women stop fighting for only women, their cause is lost. Women and men must stand together, and stop allowing the very evil that is threatening to erase them, to divide them, as has been the case for so many decades now.
The woman at 35-45mins has no self-awareness, she's speaking at the Heritage foundation and trying to make the same arguments we've been telling them FOREVER.. We sympathize with women and Lesbianism but when she said inclusivity includes everyone except lesbians I was really hoping someone would have shouted out "Heterosexual Healthy Young White Christian Men", more hate points for as many of those labels fit your innate being.
Funny, we know how society influences (Urie Bronfenbrenner's, "Ecology of Human Development"), nature vs. nurture (it is both) but we refuse to talk about the "influences" of media, liberal education, absence of or abusive parents (especially fathers), emasculation of men (presented as "toxic masculinity") and the plethora of other social influence. Add to this the hyper-sexualization of children and sexual imprinting (which includes first sexual experiences) and we think this is something that is ONLY determined by biology... even though the DNA clearly points to a child's gender. If it were "natural", we would not need all the gender reassignment surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, social readjustment and all the other things that have to happen, the presuppositions based on fallacious science are incredibly damaging to the "natural" argument.
. [ Chapel Hill UMC Rom ], we ALL self-identify our own gender around age 3 according to our own self-awareness of the gender of our own brain, and none of us need to first consult our birth certificate, no DNA test needed, no social exposure to conservative or progressive pamphleteering, no Bibles, no peer pressure ( consider twins where one is trans gender and one is cis gender ), your speculative suppositions are inexcusably naive, please web and library search to develop some informed empathy: gender development in the womb before birth gender self-identification in children Spack how I save the lives of transgender teens register sex gender Social Security Administration my transgender story. In a world wide web of endless information, with 20+ years of settled and evolving science, biology, medicine, psychiatry, genetics, ENDOCRINOLOGY especially, and of course LAW by which we all get along equally under Constitutional law, willful ignorance is inexcusable. .
Julia Beck is wrong at the end, when she says "get off the Internet". Giving up the Internet is giving up the world. IRL doesn't mean anything anymore, online is as much real life as talking to someone on the street. This should never be underestimated because it's what 's shaping the world, without the Internet none of this would be happening at all.
The same thing that is happening in the climate debate... "the science is settled" and any evidence or discussion to the contrary brings the various "phobia" or "ist" labels.
"My wife and I are lesbians, and liberal in our politics " then later: "my husband wrote to planned parenthood"... "= lack of masculine identity, and structure, fragile mental state, overall permissiveness, lack of responsibility, etc... I feel for you 3.
You are aware that the woman in that part of the vid was reading stories from parents who did not want to be on camera, who are worried about their transitioned children? The lesbian couple and the "my husband" woman are different stories she was reading.
Wasn’t there something on Planned Parenthood on The Corbett Report dot org about how Planned Parenthood used to be focused on Phrenology and sterilization of minorities before they changed their name?
Thank you to the panelists and the Heritage foundation for creating a space for this conversation. I too have no political home, not after this issue was brought to my attention by a dear friend. I used to be a democrat, now, I'm not sure. I have no political home, this issue is FAR too important to be ignored. FAR too important to be dismissed as insignificant.
People on both sides feel that way. We need more options. One side is all about shutting you down and the other side doesn’t really get anything done. 🤦🏽♀️ I was a Democrat, became a Republican in 2008 and now I want to change to independent.
WATCH >>> Former Transgender Activist: Transitioning Is Dangerous-Especially For Youth: th-cam.com/video/dJMMqREtQJc/w-d-xo.html
As a tomboy, I’m glad this issue is being addressed.
Drixenol86 I’m an adult human female and I love climbing trees. I wear make up. I’m heterosexual. This is vile. Poor children 😞
Makeup looks fucking stupid on anyone. Gender can go now. We're evolving Beyond it. Sex however is biological.
My daughter (now 26 years old) was a complete tom boy, and my wife and I never do anything against that, and she is very grateful with us because we let her be herself; now she never use dress, skirts, high heels, or make up; she is a very smart, wise, sane, happy and beautiful feminine sweet woman. However, if she were still a tom boy, that will be fine.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Gender can go but that doesn't mean we have to all look non descript. My husband looks great in eyeliner. Face and body paint have a history in most cultures as part of ceremonial events and rituals . One doesn't have to wear makeup in a conventional way or to appeal to the male gaze.
You can do and say things stereotypically associated with guys (males) when the mood strikes you--and still be a female. People who assert that we need to establish an entirely new category of personal identity because of varying expressions of mood, feeling, activity ARE THE PROBLEM. They are too busy trying to put us all in categories when they should just just up and mind their own business--and stay out of yours.
As an atheist I find what is being done to very young vulnerable and impressionable children not just reprehensible but PURE EVIL!!
What does that have anything to do with u being atheist. U sound like a vegan. It's the first thing we get to know about u.
@@pichun6556, what he means is that even though there is no such thing as evil in his system of belief, he believes in evil anyway.
LOL. I was thinking the same thing. religion is even being mentioned.
@@ataraw.6142 actually I have seen a few comments saying things like "this is what happens when you live without God".
As an agnostic I refute the idea that you're an atheist as you've demonstrated a belief in evil. I'm not attacking you, but when you stop to think about it Atheism is a very arrogant viewpoint in the assumption that you KNOW, without fail, that there is no supreme being. You don't.
That being said, I can't stand religion but I do understand the basic morality it has provided to humankind. I'm not going to church, praying or anything of the like...or believing in 'god'.
I love science but it's also not my 'god', but it has the best explanations so far - so I rest with that.
I don't wear makeup and love my jeans and t-shirts. I'm a very happy, centered biological FEMALE. I live in the country and run a homestead, I'm still a biological Female. Yet if current thought were to have its way, they would say I'm really a male in a female body which is downright delusional. I love being a woman.
I do wear makeup, I like it....it is fun for me. I prefer dresses over slacks and pants. I'm a loving spouse of a very long relationship that started when I and my spouse were still in our teens (I have only ever had a relationship with one person my entire life....that is my spouse today). I'm a parent and a professional in a high tech field and have had the same job for almost twenty years. I'm a veteran having served in the US Army during a time of conflict. I'm also a transgender woman. I have been the way I am today since I could remember as early as four or five years old. I was raised in a very religious family and I was taught to be ashamed of myself and to feel a great deal of guilt over being "different". I am neither perverted or someone attempting to gain access to women spaces for evil intent (unless going to the bathroom is evil, I guess it depends on what you eat). I transitioned many years ago, before this all became political. I no more belong in a men's restroom than any of the women on this panel. After years of using the women's restroom the most common thing ever said to me is "I like your shoes". The equality act would keep people from discriminating against LGBTQ people in employment and housing. This just adds LGBTQ people to a list of people who need protection in those areas. The erasure and harm that some small number of women are complaining about just doesn't show up in any real way statistically. Transgender people have been here since recorded history. We can be found in every country in the world and from every social and economic background. My job is highly technical and I'm one of the best in my field, at what I do. There are transgender doctors, lawyers, police, scientists, even military service members.....enough to show that we are far from delusional people.
As far as science goes you shouldn't have to look any further than the fact that transgender people exist.....we are telling you that we are here. If that isn't enough here is Dr. Robert Sapolsky who is a professor of neuroscience at Stanford....hear what he says about the state of being transgender and some studies that have been done on it: th-cam.com/video/Erexuu8PTo8/w-d-xo.html
At the end of the day, we are human beings and worthy of fair treatment. Don't hate us because you don't understand us. I'm a good person....if I saw you in trouble and in need of help, I would stick out my hand. Would you refuse it because I'm transgender? What side of history will you be on?
Good for you
Delusional? may i suggest you read the holy bible, start with the beginning of time for humans, first there was Adam, then from Adams rib, GOD TRANSITIONS eve, who was the first TRANSGENDER clone from the rib of man, also try reading Galatians 3:28 and Matthew 7:1
I’m an adult human female and I love climbing trees. I wear make up. I’m heterosexual. This is vile. Poor children 😞
@@Dr_JSH AS AN ADULT YOU DO AS YOU PLEASE ...YOU DIDN'T MAKE DEMANDS OR ASK FOR LAWS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR YOU !! YOU ARE " NOT " ADDRESSING THE TRUE ISSUE HERE !!
SO COME DOWN OFF OF YOUR IVORY TOWER !!!
IF YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. DON'T INSERT YOUR LIFE STORY HERE !! DO YOU WANT TO GET IN A "RACE" WITH A " "WOMAN" ?? ..WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT A "FAIR" RACE !? DO YOU " REALLY "
NOT UNDERSTAND THE REAL ISSUE HERE !?? NO ONE FAULTS YOUR PERSONAL DECISIONS .. AND " YOU " DID NOT DEMAND THE WORLD GIVE " YOU " SPECIAL TREATMENT ...DID YOU !?
We live in strange times: a radical feminist organization being hosted and APPLAUDED at the Heritage foundation.
There is some serious political re-jiggering going on these days. I'm a left-leaning academic, but my Twitter feed is filling up with a lot of people who are, like the presenters here, "politically homeless." The DNC has rebranded itself as some kind of social activist organization representing the complaints of ever-smaller minority populations (which bathroom you can use without people freaking out is such a banal, pointless issue that I can't believe we're actually discussing it in the face of all the things that are actually going wrong in the world), and when people don't vote for them, they tell themselves and the world that it's because of bigotry.
Meanwhile, they ignore the fact that many of Trump's talking points were CLASSICALLY LIBERAL. Things like protectionist trade practices, protecting middle and lower-middle-class industrial jobs, ensuring that the working class is protected from being outbid by foreign workers willing to settle for much less...
If the Dems had any sense at all, they'd see that positions that historically would have been associated with their party are now those of people with "R" after their names.
When believing in sexual dimorphism gets you kicked out of the good graces of polite, latte-liberal society, those people seek shelter elsewhere. I think we're going to see more and more of this as the Dems boil off reasonable people, leaving an ever-more-concentrated sticky syrup of batshit insane.
Most people, regardless of party or stripe, are moderate. That's because most people are reasonable, thinking grownups.
It's not that surprising. Women across the political spectrum see the harm being done to women and children by transgender ideology and want to get together to discuss and act
@@g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o Leftists are basically narcissistic wolves that hide behind masks of feigned tolerance and care for minorities. The whole media has been taken over..now only just a handful of people control the media...how convenient. Weren't there laws at one point that you couldn't own so much media? Wonder why those went bye bye?? Anyways, liberalism is now GBT (The lesbians don't matter) or GTFO. Read some of the forgotten gay rights literature from gay men of the 80's...and you'll see what's getting played out right now. Look up and pass this around "The Overhauling of Straight America" (revealing the plot to normalize, set the stage for victimhood..NAMBLA is mentioned) and the hateful "Gay Revolutionary"
It’s embarrassing to this leftie that the only outlets willing to give women like Ms. Beck a hearing are FOX and - gag - the HERITAGE for chrissake.
Come on, Maddow, get ahead of this madness.
@@frankiebowie6174
Nevertheless, it is completely typical that the Right will entertain the conversation, while the regressive left only wants to shut it down.
Practically the entire public sector in a nutshell
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Thomas Sowell.
Ian Paling Women’s hands. Just rights (to vote), but no any responsibility (to protect and provide). Let the men be responsible and be blamed for everything!
Yeah but you can't let a child decide to transition until they're older. Jazz Jenkins and Desmond is amazing is child abuse.
Ra Sa you do know women work, right? Shut the fuck up
Wow, I cannot believe I am actually saying "well done" to the Heritage Foundation, I guess this is a bi-partisan issue after all, the speakers are amazing, what a panel, those brave women have brought tears to my eyes a number of times. Gender identity ideology is a) batshit crazy, b) taking a whole lot of casulties while endocrinologists and gender specialists line their pockets and c) a full on attack on women's sex-based rights! Keep fighting #AdultHumanFemale
Correction: it's an attack on children, both girls and boys
Adult human female here too. A feminine one. Who loves to climb trees. And is horrified by this atrocity to our species.
ah, I see you're yet another paranoid, misinformed TERF
@gam mal go back to your mama's basement you disgusting fuckwit misogynistic shit
@@backwatersandbackroads women as well.
Thankfully TH-cam still allows such videos and discussions to be on their platform. Social media tends to toss such views off their platforms with censorship.
Not much longer. They just banned my favorite gender critical content creator with no warning. This gender craze is such a CULT.
@John A THEY ARE a private company after all.
@@Clementine_D probably for being too over the top.
Thank you for speaking up and making those of us who feel similarly alienated a little more included and cognizant!
Haha they were supportive of this movement until it does not benefits them anymore😂
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”
― George Orwell, 1984 AND You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy. ―Charles Manson
MidNightRider2001 Not “everybody”, just feminists. Feminazzi is a criminal organization, supported by most governments, they perpetrate those crimes of making people to hate themselves and to commit self-sterilization...
"The path to hell is built on good intentions"
Mauricio Vargas I think the good intentions are minor at best and long gone at worst.
"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions."
I've always been supportive of transgender people. But letting children. Transition is just sick and wrong
@TheBlackiwid We are talking about children. Legally 17-18 are kids. They are not allowed to drink, they are not allowed to smoke or get tattoos by law. No one in the western world is drafted into war.
No one wants anyone turned into a lifelong medical patient and that's what all these off-label treatments do. Why should tax payers and insurance payers have to foot the bills?
If you ask most Trans people, they'll tell they knew were born the wrong gender from a young age.
I don't know what you are saying. WHAT IS WRONG IS THAT PARENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY. THAT CHILDREN, YES 18 YEAR OF AGE IS STILL A CHILD SHOULD HAVE THERAPY BEFORE SUCH MEASURES ARE TAKEN. THAT FUCKING DOCTORS SHOULD HAVE SUCH A CHILD CHECKED MENTALLY BEFORE SUCH GRAVE MEASURES ARE TAKEN. THAT THE LAW/GOVERNMENT SHOULDNT GET INVOLVED IN MATTERS SO QUICKLY. THAT DEBATE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THAT KIDS WHO ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR GENDER BE HELPED RATHER THAN AUTOMATICALLY GIVE THEM HORMONES TO HARM THEIR BODIES. What part of that don't you get. Are you a parent? Should your child come to you and say they are transgender don't you think it is your responsibility to help assess the matter before they castrate or neuter themselves???????
Tudor Miller I think the people that never were confused about their gender don’t understand how it happens and you grow out of it. It happened to me I grew out of it. It’s not worth the risks this can ruin their life you can’t decide what you want as a child.
They should be allowed but neither allow puberty blockers. They should just wait till they are older
As much as I agree with the panel, it is unfortunate that the focus was on how detrimental the law is to women and children and there was no mention that it might be harmful to men as well. A law that erases "women" as a legal term would also erase "men" as well. I suggest the "Erasure of Women and Men Act" as a more suitable name.
Let's give them some support because if we let women down, we also let children down and the ones controlling this narrative once wrote stuff like this..look up "Gay Revolutionary" and "The Overhauling of Straight America" NAMBLA is mentioned in The Overhauling of Straight America...you think this isn't apart of a plan?
They're playing it smart though. No body will support a bill that talks about men as anything other than a problem.
Champaign_Central_Band Nah, you can’t fight feminism, the gynocentricity is engraved in our genes. We can be empathetic only to women’s suffering. This is why feminism is a cancer: it exploits bugs in our operating system. Feminism is a cancer and it must be stopped from spreading.
What ? So Transmen, GenderQueer Nonbinary Transwomen Skoliosexual can't coexist alongside cis men and cis women ?
Fyi when "gender neutral" bathrooms are instituted very often the men's room is kept, and the women's is turned into a free-for-all. TIFs don't pose the same danger to men that TIMs pose to women and girls. Gender ideology hurts men, yes, but the danger to girls and women is far more pressing.
Such a good video. So encouraging to see right & left come together on what is such an important issue, both for our children and for society at large. I applaud the courage of every participant involved in putting this together.
Jocky49 this only happened because a right sided platform agreed to do it. the left tried to shut them down. This is the left refusing to talk to these people and also trying to attack them. This clearly shows the right willing to engage in dialogue with people who think differently to them but willing to still engage and to also help protect 'PEOPLE AND WOMEN' no matter what their political side. This is a clear example of how the left are thugs and bullies and not willing to engage unless it gets them votes!!
@@martin2514 There are both left and right who are fanatics, lets not point fingers!
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj you might as well point fingers, because they will betray you when they get what they want from you.
@@tudormiller8898 reference?
LOL, these people are not at all on the "left." They're bigots who believe they're radical feminists, but are actually just transphobes.
Systematic brainwashing. My biggest question is to what ends? Why is this being pushed so hard these days? This is so very sad and my heart goes out to these parents.
Laura Roberts Parents!? They are crippling kids! Nazzis were killing jews, cutting off their family lines in rather straightforward fashion. We call them criminals. Now feminists (or rather social marxists - another breed of nazzis, who were socialists) cut off family lines of kids, small boys and girls, who were indoctrinated to hate themselves! Feminism is cancer, it destroys civilization, built on hard labour of mostly men...
Find Yuri Bezmenov and you will understand everything.
true brainwashing is religious groups pushing their beliefs on others everyday, people should first try living their own lives
It is ultimately part of a greater sterilization and depopulation agenda.
@@ramsa01Yt What are earth are you talking about? Feminists OPPOSE the mutilation of children that is being done in the name of "gender identity affirmation." It is the people pushing transgender ideology who are behind this, telling children and youth they are "born in the wrong body" if they happen to like something society has dictated as belonging solely to the opposite sex or because they are gender non-conforming.
"Inclusivity means all voices are welcome except women's, except lesbians"
I feel so bad for her watching her cry as she says this but inclusivity has never meant what she thinks it does. Were so called "homophobes" included? Should they be? If someone supported their gay friends but opposed public money being spent on celebrating gayness and LGBT issues in school, were they included? Has she learned nothing? Lesbian voices are still included as long as they *as individuals* agree with the woke trans positions. Women are still included unless they are wrongthinkers. She's looking at herself as part of a victim group based on who she is rather than what she thinks. She needs to understand that "the left", or those to the left of her, will continue to use identity politics when it favors them but will ignore the same group based victimhood when it comes to dealing with "transphobes". She has lost her victimhood power and she needs to come to terms with that - she is the evil bigot now and I'm not sure I have any useful advice about how to win from that position because one can't accept that framing but it seems powerful forces are aligned against her.
Yeah
These neo Marxist lefties are mourning the loss of their perpetual victimhood and I am the most oppressed victim card
Third wave feminists did no favours to women ...they were all about creating disparity to correct supposed deliberate historical oppression
Radical fems advocating "positive descrimination" via affirmative actions from scholarships to promotions and politics for the sake of diversity now have to share this diverse pie with everyone .... merit and facts go to the bin and people need to be admired for their myriad labels and identities to keep everyone "happy"
They opened the door for this nonsense while the moderate feminists and liberals either kept quiet or didn't do enough to counter this stupidity
This carries on for a few decades and the country will face a crisis that all Marxist and their 1 cousins (socialists) societies face once the ideology gains a firm foothold in the culture, society and politics
Wrongthinker? Authoritarian much?
Man this society is in big trouble. It would be laughable as hell if it was t so freakin sad
I'm on the left, but I appreciate The Heritage Foundation giving these individuals a platform to speak. Everyone's testimony is compelling. But especially Julia's:
"She had just survived a hysterectomy. Shaking and complaining of hot flashes she said she was not and had never been a woman. Quote: "It doesn't make me any less of a man that I have a vulva. It's there and it's masculine and it's a male and it's a man." As she said this my accuser snapped his fingers as if we were at a poetry reading. It was so fake and performative. He didn't care at all for what she had endured."
I used to be a trans ally. Now "gender theory" has replaced trans activism. The giddiness of the snapping "ally" is a perfect example of the self-satisfied other-sacrificing aesthetisized politics of "gender theory." Contrast it with the sobriety of these speakers and you have your answer about who is being intellectually honest.
This is just one more thing the left lies about. Keep an open mind. For example, the left is consumed with wage inequality yet they want to flood the country with 3rd world labor. Do you think this will hurt the lower classes or higher classes? True compassion is not part of left wing thinking.
Gender theory has existed since the 1800s before there were even terms like homosexual and heterosexual... 😂😂😂 It's so clear nobody on this video has read a book on the matter.
Welcome to "The Fundemental CHANGE". What many are not seeing is the WHOLE picture. WHY are so many of our youth becoming Gender Confused? WHAT is behind the cause of the confusion and WHO is pushing this physical as well as psycological "Gender Confusion" that has a DIRECT impact on our ability to further reproduce MORE Western children. This is NOT about Homosexuality, as this has been a known sexual "choice" in same sex partners since the begining of time. This is about an Orchastrated ATTACK on the BIOLOGICAL functioning of the people living in Western Civilization and beyond. When you look at all the efforts being put into prohibiting the reproduction of human beings into Western Society, the entire picture becomes perfectly clear. When , without ANYONES permission, without anyones Vote, our entire food chain was replaced with Chemical saturated Genetically Modified frankenfood. Chemicals that we end up INGESTING, chemicals that run off into our water supply. These chemicals have been PROVEN to reek HAVIC in our entire bodies. They said GMO'S were the answer to WORLD HUNGER. why are children in Africa still starving/dying of malnutrition? These carefully chosen chemicals interfere with our Reproductive Systems as well as reek havic on our GastroIntestinal, Neurological and Systems. We are now seeing commercials on TV suggesting "If you have been exposed to Glyphosate, an ingredient in RoundUp, which is a KNOWN Carcinogen, you may be entitled to compensation ......" Glyphosate is a MAIN ingredient in ROUNDUP, the Chemical sprayed upon the replacment food, they are forcing us to eat. The remaining ingreduents, when combined with Glyphosate, create chemical compounds that are NOT condusive to LIFE, be it an insect, fish, birds, cattle, Domestic animals... or Humans. Another Herbicide that saturated the crops that replaced our REAL and HEALTHY "food" , contains ATRIZINE. Atrizine has been PROVEN to completely turn upside down the Reproductive System, so completely, that male frogs exposed to this chemical , start to PHYSICALLY change. They become "GENDER CONFUSED" as their hormones become totally out of sync. Eventually they loose their masculinity, upto and including the lack of scrotum/sperm production. There are videos showing male frogs attemting to have sex with other male frogs, as they can nolonger differentiate the 'female' hormone secretion of the female frogs, as it is also being secreated from the ONCE MALE frogs. These GLOBALIST Scientists ARE NOT STUPID. They KNEW this information, information they themselves witnessed in their studies. The United Nations plan for "REPLACMENT POPULATION" for the West, to "take care of" our inability/ failure to reproduce, wasn't created by chance, haphazardly. It wasn't simply the empty DESIRE to Culturally, Socially Religiously, Financially, Politically, Educationally, "Change" The West, into NWO Globalists lead, Marxist, Wahabbists. This process was a slow but sure process of cause and effect, yes. That "PROCESS" is now on steroids. If you look at the Chemicals these GMO crops are being saturated with, and include the use of the ingredients found in the MANDATED Vaccines, (Vaccines that have quadrupled in # the past 10 years) you will find toxic chemicals such as Polysorbate80, which is another name for "Tween80". Tween80, is the primary ingredient in "The Morning After" pill, designed to induce ABORTION. Lead, Mercury/Thermasol, all TOXIC heavy metals that our God Given, BloodBrain Barrier, USED to PREVENT from being able to cross over into our children's brains. Then, while they were experimenting with Parkinson meds, they discovered a chemical that could BREAKDOWN that protective Blood Brain barrier and made the CHOICE to add it to our childrens vaccinations as well as their food replacment, GMO'S, to ENSURE the TOXINS could work to their FULL capacity. Even GLOBALIST Bill Gates, said to a massive crowd, in one of his lectures, "IF WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH VACCINES, WE CAN REDUCE POPULATION GROWTH". Even the Floride, intentionally added to our drinking water, reeks HAVIC in our bodies Biological Functioning. Floride interferes with the delicate balance of Magnesium, Calcium, VitD, etc, etc, all of these are dependent on eachother. Floride completely disrputs this delcate balance.These Globalists are NOT stupid, they were/are WELL AWARE of what their onslaught of TOXIC CHEMICALS are doing to those in the Western World and beyond. All the while, Big Globalist Pharmacology, is selling us drugs to TREAT the SICKNESS, THEY themselves create. Add Globalist Eugenisist, Margeret Sanger, and her "Vision", in racial cleansing via Sterilization and ABORTION to the mix, and their vision of "Change" is nolonger a long saught out desire, but a fruitful addition, an assurity to "The Change". They evil Globalist's are even giving FALSE diagnosis to pregnant women, throughout the Western World, and encouraging them to abort their babies. These women, THOUSANDS of them, go for a second opinion, and find out, their was NOTHING wrong with their unborn child, but they were actually perfectly HEALTHY. Many Mothers and Fathers simply informed these "Doctors" they didn't care if their child would have a disabilty and REFUSED to abort.....only to give birth to ...PERFECTLY HEALTHY BABIES. If one looks at the WHOLE picture, the WHAT, WHY AND WHO are MORE then OBVIOUS
Thank you for opening up this topic to help educate parents. WE NEED A BIGGER DISCUSSION! When I was nine to eleven, I wanted to be a boy! I could beat every boy on the block at roller skating, field hockey, swimming and other sports. I wanted to be a boy and wondered why I was a girl. I was called a Tomboy and that was common for many girls! I am now a grandmother and have had an amazing life as a women. So happy I was not born in today's world. This is scary stuff for parents.
Roller skating and field hockey?? And you think you were butch? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Being a tomboy doesn't mean feeling gender dysphoria. You people are so dense.
@@joggersforcake In today's world...if you aren't abiding by gender stereotypes as a kid...they declare you are transgender. If we allow this to continue...every kid that's not stereotypically doing what society dictates their gender should be doing, they will be prepped for hormones and surgery. Sound good????
@@joggersforcake I agree being a tomboy is not the same as having gender dysphoria!
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj and how do YOU know !???
BIG ERROR. Of the transgender students in the UK, are 69% born female identifying as male and 31% born male identifying as females? What is the reality?
The transgender community uses the identity as the gender name. When studies are done, we need to have a standard of terms that relies on biology, not the vagaries of identity.
I am looking forward to massive law suites to help stop this barbaric practice!
I am not looking forward to the spike in healthcare costs to pay for these lifetime patients who have already undergone HRT and surgery. This was never sustainable long term, even without the push back.
I agree with Julia Beck 100%!
So GenderQueer people shouldn't exist ? So it should be LGB not LGBTQ ? Happy Pride Month!!!
Proud of what. Why cant gay people be gay and live your lives without shoving it down our throats or the throats of our children. Do we have pride party for being straight? Many, many people are so sick and tired of this bullshit but say nothing and are thinking it. Especially when you have pride march in a public space with grown effing men having rubber dicks all over their bodies while children watch. I for one DONT WANT TO SEE THIS FUCKING CRAP. Do whatever you want, identify as a rock for all I care but I don't need to hear about it.
@@tudormiller8898 this radical feminist are hypocrites they just women to be an oppressed class, since trans people are highly marginalist this resentful women are afraid that trans people steal their victim privilege
@@rajiveharvani5502
Hahaha
Is there any way to get CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS on this bill? Televised? Most people have no idea.
Think they already did that, mahd it can be found here on YT
Julia was invited to this hearing by GOP congressmen and congresswomen
The House is finished with hearings and have now passed this into law. I think you are right, though; most people have no idea.
If you were hoping that Congress would be your bulwark against this kind of craziness then your trust is misplaced.
You wont hear of it because the MSM isn't informing us. Also congress is DEMOCRATS so no you wont hear about it.
@@TofeldianSage Yes, the House held hearings and Julia Beck and other feminists were there pointing out how the so-called Equality Act erases women, is ruining women's sports, etc., but few House members were listening. You're right that it passed the House; it did not however pass the Senate or get signed into law by the Executive branch, so it is in limbo currently, thankfully.
As women's health provider I have been involved in many discussions regarding tubal sterilization. Federally funded insurances require an age of 21 to make that decision. Even then, it's almost impossible to find a physician willing to do this surgery for any women under 25 years old. Many will not do this under 30 years old. So it is astounding to me that radical surgeries and sterilizations can be performed on children under 18!
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[ Diane Justusson ], "sterilization" happens with cancer treatment too, do you propose denying cancer treatment for people under 25? Emancipation happens for children as young as 12, do you propose that emancipated children-as-adults not really be legally emancipated, because ... YOU object to their freedoms equal to your own?
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Thank you for your sharing your perspective
@@peterblaise Thank you for sharing your perspective
@@peterblaise That's not germane to the topic at hand. Cancer treatment wreaks havoc on the body, but we do it because there's no other choice; it's either that, for a chance at living a long(er) life, or it's death by cancer.
You're likely to counter that a trans person will kill themselves if they don't get these elective procedures done, because that's the narrative we've been presented, but:
1) Most people who have gender dysphoria don't kill themselves.
2) Lots of people kill themselves for lots of reasons, but we don't and wouldn't recommend life-threatening surgery because they were at risk for that.
3) Suicide is homicide perpetrated upon the victim by him/herself. It is an intentional act, not the natural result of a disease.
The trans medical debate is actually part of the much larger problem of the medicalization of the human experience.
I fully support adults making these choices. I do not support children doing so, or medical practitioners carrying them out. I think it's a violation of medical ethics.
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[@@tarolantern9729 ], you wrote "... Thank you for sharing your perspective ..." but I asked questions that you did not respond to, repeat: [ Q1 ] "sterilization" happens with cancer treatment too, do you propose denying cancer treatment for people under 25? [ Q2 ] Emancipation happens for children as young as 12, do you propose that emancipated children-as-adults not really be legally emancipated, because ... YOU object to their freedoms equal to your own?
Thanks in advance for your considered and exploratory reply.
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As somebody who at one point had two times the amount of testosterone of a typical male on medical laboratory tests (30 years ago), I did not grow one hair on my chin but merely had a low voice I loved the sound of. I know more than anybody how peoples' testosterone levels are either natural or completely phony and a mutilation of all naturalism-- an actual proactive aggressive avengement of other peoples' natural testosterone. I also know that a lot of people 'choosing' to take testosterone through 'medical monitoring' are total phonies trying to corner the authentic 'out of the market' for sexual and ego purposes. My unnatural doses of natural testosterone fizzed out when I had a baby and that was that. I think these people taking 'transgender' hormones are egotistical narcissist PHONIES-- in a competitive 'war' with the real thing and just getting their sadistic needs accommodated by a system out for $$$$$$$$$
and Hitler thought Jews were the cause of Germany's problems. Well see where your ignorant thought process takes society
Glad to see Heritage Foundation host these speakers. Sad situation we are faced with. However, why are there no men speaking on this topic? I think there are many gay men, straight men and fathers who would fit on this panel too.
One of the panelists who spoke is a man!!
BayOctopus Walt Heyer is one such man who instantly comes to my mind but I am pretty sure there are many more.
There are men and woman only........I’m butch lesbian and sick of being asked if I’m trans😡😡😡
Vegan Forever trans isnt a gender
Gender is male or female....
No one can change that....I don’t buy into all these new age modern terms I stick to the true ones
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It is just so freekin convenient, an actually heterosexual man, pretending to be a woman pretending to be homosexual, allowing him to come full circle and actually still be a heterosexual man, except now he is legally allowed to come into female only spaces and to arrogate the superior rights of women for himself as well. If I didn't know better (and I don't), I would say he perfectly trolling the whole feminist and homosexual communities, as well as the corrupted legal system that gives them presumptive rights above others.
Hahaha grow up. These are the consequences of their own actions. They have to admit defeat 😂
What an eye opener, it was informative from both sides of the fence. I am a conservative christian but I am now willing to combine forces with Hands Across the Isle and anyone else that would work towards stopping this train wreck from hitting our society, this is truly a powerful example of manipulation and social engineering by power and money. Why cant people accept who we are and take what we are born with and build around these principles, instead we develop new social constructs to support our personal whims because the Grass is Always Greener Over the Septic Tank and we will be happier if we just ...........Guess what, same crap, different day.... I also concur with the comment on induction versus true biological need such as hermaphrodites. Make the best of what you are born with, and if impoverished by any circumstances them strive to improve yourself and surroundings without self mutalization to seek happiness and acceptance, a slippery slope.
NOTHING will change. NOTHING. The uber left hijacked the democratic party and they will do whatever it takes to regain power in the white house. Oh, speaking of white house are you aware that they want to do away with calling the white house WHITE? This means that nothing will be done because the gay lobby is enormous and very, very powerful.
All I want is the T to be dropped from LGB. 👍👏
And that is why you are a sack of shit.
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Yeah, [ LOC ], you're saying "... thank for initiating the fight for MY rights, all you trans gender people, but I've got MINE now, so screw you! ..." You're so grateful and kind ... not. Willfully ignorant, too.
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@@peterblaise Trans is not a sexual orientation. Has no place with LGB. If you are the opposite sex then you should be joined with heterosexuals.
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[@@markmacpherson90 ], correct, gender is not a sexual orientation. But you confuse yourself by looking at those who are discriminated against, wondering who deserves discrimination, and who deserves relief. No, instead, the common thread is the one's doing the discriminating, look to them, as they cut a wide swath through any population, and they are never satiated, and it is their generational bigotry that is the sickness that needs attention and remedy.
Regardless, LGBTQIAS+ are overlapping minorities who are non-conforming in their gender identification and presentation, but if you do not want to be associated with anyone, please don't, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
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@@peterblaise I really don't have a problem with Transsexuals. The issue is keeping men out of women's spaces. Men are not women and never will be however life your life how you see fit, just leave women alone.
Energetically as a spiritual being having a human experience we are both yin and yang meaning both feminine and masculine energy. To reach our full potential in life we need a balance of both energies.
However have said that
Biologically you are born either male or female. It does not matter how you identify in your mind and body, in medical terms in scientific terms you are either male or female.
It is great to be all inclusive, yet at the same time women’s and children’s rights need to be protected. Men should not be in women’s locker rooms with perhaps little girls present. Men should not be competing against women in competitions. This has gotten way out of control.
This was very informative. Thank you for sharing.
also these feminists need to understand the relationship between feminism and queer theory, feminist ideas are foundational to queer ideas, they are interrelated.
You think feminism is just one set of theories? You don't know that some strains of feminist thought are not interrelated with queer theory at all?
I am woe to say, in the spirit of cooperation with feminists on this issue, that the very same tactics that were used to not only achieve equality in law for women -- and then went on to demand/effectuate superior rights for women over men -- is now being used against the very feminists who exploited those tactics. The equality argument that then leads to removal of rights of other classes is the same here for transgenderism vs women, is the same as it was for women's rights vs men.
As any MRA can show you, men have been relegated to second class status in society and effectuated law to women, and that is exactly what the feminists here are complaining about in the ascendancy of transgendered people's claimed rights, and what they will do to women's rights when the legal class of women is extinguished by any man who self-identifies as a woman. In fact they will claim superior rights as a transgendered woman to naturally gendered women. As it was pointed out, when men can take the very same superior rights women have won in law, it will minimize, actually equalize, those superior rights women have attained.
This discussion has to be in the mainstream. Most of the transgender ideology has thrived in privacy. Legislators need to feel the heat of their electorates, that this isn't something they are allowed to sleep walk through and sign off on because on the surface it seems fair. Quietly, quietly, whilst the western world has been preoccupied with Trump, Brexit, Macron, ISIS, the Syrian refugee crisis, the women who have been the truth tellers for years have been marginalised, bullied, no platformed, called bigots, been abused, harassed, threatened and been silenced. That is why the mainstream has been oblivious.
And they need to keep it away from the mainstream, because their ideology just doesn't add up, as the panellists said. Their power over government and the medical profession, education and institutions exists because its been in a bubble with zero opposition or critical analyses. It has been confused with gay rights, civil rights, human rights.
So the mainstream can also be the "cover" the panellists mentioned.
Too many men are sitting back and crowing and thinking this is about bringing down the feminists. No. They have been the only line of defence thus far. This is about daughters, wives, mothers, sisters, friends. And there is definitely evidence coming in that its many conservative families that will have trans children because of homophobia and strict gender stereotypes. So there needs to be a big think from those who see themselves as traditionalists and conservatives. Any conservative family can fall prey to a daughter doing exactly what the first panellist described. Its RAPID.
There is a medical infrastructure being built, waiting for the masses of trans people to start coming through. The gender clinics, the hospitals. They NEED people becoming trans. As Posie Parker, a UK woman who was a wife and mother became aware as she investigated what was happening in her surrounds, all our societal structures have already been groomed. Diversity training.
The Girl Guides in the UK is starting to crack. They automatically bowed to instruction that they were to be gender inclusive. That means any man identifying as a woman can become Leaders. It means girls have to share space with boys who identify as girls. Parents were not informed of this. The first people to speak up against this have been dismissed. That's how its been working. So the right of a girl to enjoy the experience of learning and camping and socialising with other girls, free from sex, free from societal pressures, striving for merit and strength, have to sacrifice that to make a boy feel good about himself and include him. Girls who question this are considered to be bigoted and are removed. Boy wins. Girl loses.
This girl Alexis... truly brave and had the guts where so many adults haven't.
We crow because the feminists created the groundwork for this, including by infiltrating public institutions and subverting their purpose to their ideology. The feminist movement spawned transgenderism, for goodness sakes.
All that crap about patriarchy just got generalised to complaining about straight people and non-transgenders.
That said, crowing is entirely unproductive, so you're still half right.
@@SeanusAurelius The feminist movement did not spawn transgenderism. That's a myth. MRA's aren't our friends. The LGBT, HRC is pushing this and medical boards. Modern day feminism is a joke, an infiltrated joke. This is why those women look so stupid in 3rd wave feminism because it's put women at the bottom and allow lgbt to call the shots. The LGBT uses it as a mask so if criticized they can blame feminism when really LGBT is heavily pushing this out using their media pals, lobbying. Gay men have the most clout in that movement and you don't see any gay men protesting against it for a reason. Look at what was written in the 80s by gay male activists. "Gay Revolutionary" and "The Overhauling of Straight America"
They are very good at manipulating and if you think men's rights activism and any spot for mostly men haven't been infiltrated with goals to get straight men to turn on straight women (turn on families) ...you'd be shocked.
I'm gonna have to push back on men just standing back. The current rhetoric vilifies men. You say feminists are the only line of defense. Yes, maybe true from a certain point if view. But I cannot speak my mind without being called sexist or transphobe. Feminism has created a world where men "just don't understand your lived experience". Our opinion is not valid in the public space. The world of intersectionality has taken our voice away because of "patriarchy" and "power structures". The only time a man can be heard is when hes an "ally". Congratulations, and now "cis" women are next on the chopping block.
@@avocado6623Men have been standing back, only more recently are they lifting their head and smelling the coffee. Feminists have been the only line of defence, Radical Feminists, not intersectional, not liberal feminists, they have been silenced for YEARS, no platformed. Julie Bindel has felt the full brunt of the vindictive cult that is transgenderism. HAVE BEEN. Notice the past tense.
Modern feminism, that there are different branches, that are contradictory to each other is problematic. Victim culture, identitarianism has made many people loathe "feminism". But all I can do is reiterate that this is a big enough problem, what those families are going through, its no longer about what feminists are doing. This is for everyone who questions queer theory and post modernism as a basis for our societies to be framed around.
And mate, we're all bigots and transphobes now and that shit only holds weight for insecure twits who live in a bubble.
Sorry, I don't have an issue of feminism being captained by women only. That men play the role of ally... yeah... great... and as trans identified males have shown, men just do not know what women are talking about what it is to grow up female. And I say that not as a "feminist".
But you need to do some research on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd waves of feminism. Germaine Greer... famous 2nd waver, radical feminist... currently can't show her face publicly without protest from trans and intersectional feminists. See? There is conflict within feminism over this.
I don't agree with a lot of modern feminism, either... but this is bigger than that. So you either want this version of reality or you don't. And conservatives are against it, too... a lot of traditional leftist warriors are speaking out now. Especially gay men. So... if you need to be validated by someone, somewhere first to care about this issue, look around. There is an identity somewhere you should be able to relate to... even though you hate that stuff, right? Otherwise... fuck off. You sound like a whiny MRA.
And don't use the word "cis". For women or for men. The trans lobby DO NOT get to choose labels for the rest of us, thank you very much.
@@SeanusAurelius Yeah, Clorox Bleach is right and again, this jaundiced and unfortunately, ignorant idea of what feminism did/does was about... feminism centred the cause of women. Whether you agree with the stages of it, the methods used, whatever, its all up for grabs, obviously, I believe in free discussion, but feminism has been the same as racial civil rights... a class of people deemed to be second class. Women looked around at burgeoning democracy post enlightenment and saw they were left out in the cold. So they began the argument that they weren't second class citizens. If you have a problem with that... then, yeah, join the trans lobby because they have done the best job so far of undermining women as a class of people since the suffrage movement began.
What is it? First they came for the radical feminists (aka TERFs), then women in general... and then they came for me... and tore apart biological reality. And queer theory... then you'll be thick in the argument of why no one has the right to have sex with your 8 year old child, even if they consented to sex. Ya hearing me?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Like the host said at the beginning, these are polarized times!
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No. It is how it should be
Although I am traumatically sick of this whole issue, it is Very refreshing to listen to those who are taking an objective, realistic response and approach to this bizarre epidemic, that I fear the real causes of are so complex that I am not sure if language can fairly accommodate them. I have always HATED the LGBT equation, feeling that LGB is the OPPISITE of T and it has alienated and cornered me out of an active community. I am relieved to hear some people with good heads on their shoulders about this confusing epidemic in our culture these days. Strange, that the two cruelest people I ever knew in my life. closely, one who I was best friends with for ten years and the other I accidentally had sex with once which followed with a threat of false accuse of rape, both became F2M transgender and so I can not separate the narcissistic sadism from their 'cause.' Neither of them is a true male, neither of them can handle their testosterone, and both of them are confusing their sadistic cruel unforgivable natures for "being male."
I really like how you state that "sadistic cruel unforgivable natures" are not inherently male!
Thank you. I hope you are being sincere. Sometimes people get so nasty and sarcastic towards my honest upfront views that they twist it all up into condescending sarcasm. I appreciate your approval of my proven opinion. Honestly, thank you very much; I am glad somebody agrees with me and has bothered to tell me.
@@julialuber3767 Sincere, absolutely yes.
Hahaha that's just Karma. Mother nature is the best
@@Paisley26 Even more puzzling and disturbing is how does a female "accidentally" have "sex" with another female???!!! Never mind. Too repulsive to fathom.
This needs to be heard everywhere.
Please sign the petition and share. Brown Univ. made an investigation on transgenders and because it doesn't fill the trans agenda they got bullied and took it out. Defend academic freedom and scientific inquiry. Please sign www.ipetitions.com/petition/brown-university-and-plos-one-defend-academic
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[ @@limepiper3650 ], no Brown University did NOT make an "investigation on transgenders" as that's not what universities do.
A professor did a non-academic non-scientific "report", then represented it as scientific, then peer reviews at first blush accepted it, but subsequent reviews tossed it as non-scientific, the professor has not been censored or silenced or prevented from publishing, it's available wherever the professor self publishes.
Science deniers seem ardent in their "reports" in spite of being non-scientific ... oh well.
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Bow to me you plebeians.
I just shared on Facebook. Not sure how many people will look at it, though. Most people seem more interested in sound bytes than in hour long videos actually examining issues.
Peter Blaise wrong. Just a lie.
So a woman who is raising her daughter in a lesbian household didn't think that her lifestyle may have caused any conflict on her daughter's psyche?
Less government = more freedom, get government out of our families
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This is scary.
Quite possibly one of the most eye opening videos that I think everyone on either side of the political spectrum should take the time to at least listen to.
sad but not surprised to see there is no discussion of the harm to boys and men regarding this topic as well.
You didn't watch it then.
Sharing everywhere
The snake eats its own tail.
i love the fact that only the moment girls are affected, that anyone is taking some kind of action. should say alot about what our society is interested in protecting and helping.
Lord MentaLxx not sure what you mean when medical "professionals" are clearly targeting boys as well as girls. Maybe you could expand on your idea because the demographics of the subjects of this experiment seriously interests me.
You may not give up your rights willingly, but you will give them up. The same as cops, soldiers and firefighters. We are all equal under the law. Live with it!
This panel was spot on and the entire presentation was eye opening. However they failed to also demonstrate how this is going affect Christian institutions. Scary path we are headed on.
@chicken nugget yeah because churches are just snatching away kids from their parents... smh
No public healthcare for all
astounding! Just when i thought i could never have common ground with radical feminists
Neither can feminists and they are standing up for women's rights and those poor young women's rights.
Frightening!
Count me in as skeptical to say the least of this movement. My biological daughter is a near similar story as she got T so easily...12:15 we have a similar story but not as extreme as this one...but similar.
@Black Knight Fool You are a MRA. Your main role is to hate women for real. MRA narratives sound gay.
Welcome to "The Fundemental CHANGE". What many are not seeing is the WHOLE picture. WHY are so many of our youth becoming Gender Confused? WHAT is behind the cause of the confusion and WHO is pushing this physical as well as psycological "Gender Confusion" that has a DIRECT impact on our ability to further reproduce MORE Western children. This is NOT about Homosexuality, as this has been a known sexual "choice" in same sex partners since the begining of time. This is about an Orchastrated ATTACK on the BIOLOGICAL functioning of the people living in Western Civilization and beyond. When you look at all the efforts being put into prohibiting the reproduction of human beings into Western Society, the entire picture becomes perfectly clear. When , without ANYONES permission, without anyones Vote, our entire food chain was replaced with Chemical saturated Genetically Modified frankenfood. Chemicals that we end up INGESTING, chemicals that run off into our water supply. These chemicals have been PROVEN to reek HAVIC in our entire bodies. They said GMO'S were the answer to WORLD HUNGER. why are children in Africa still starving/dying of malnutrition? These carefully chosen chemicals interfere with our Reproductive Systems as well as reek havic on our GastroIntestinal, Neurological and Systems. We are now seeing commercials on TV suggesting "If you have been exposed to Glyphosate, an ingredient in RoundUp, which is a KNOWN Carcinogen, you may be entitled to compensation ......" Glyphosate is a MAIN ingredient in ROUNDUP, the Chemical sprayed upon the replacment food, they are forcing us to eat. The remaining ingreduents, when combined with Glyphosate, create chemical compounds that are NOT condusive to LIFE, be it an insect, fish, birds, cattle, Domestic animals... or Humans. Another Herbicide that saturated the crops that replaced our REAL and HEALTHY "food" , contains ATRIZINE. Atrizine has been PROVEN to completely turn upside down the Reproductive System, so completely, that male frogs exposed to this chemical , start to PHYSICALLY change. They become "GENDER CONFUSED" as their hormones become totally out of sync. Eventually they loose their masculinity, upto and including the lack of scrotum/sperm production. There are videos showing male frogs attemting to have sex with other male frogs, as they can nolonger differentiate the 'female' hormone secretion of the female frogs, as it is also being secreated from the ONCE MALE frogs. These GLOBALIST Scientists ARE NOT STUPID. They KNEW this information, information they themselves witnessed in their studies. The United Nations plan for "REPLACMENT POPULATION" for the West, to "take care of" our inability/ failure to reproduce, wasn't created by chance, haphazardly. It wasn't simply the empty DESIRE to Culturally, Socially Religiously, Financially, Politically, Educationally, "Change" The West, into NWO Globalists lead, Marxist, Wahabbists. This process was a slow but sure process of cause and effect, yes. That "PROCESS" is now on steroids. If you look at the Chemicals these GMO crops are being saturated with, and include the use of the ingredients found in the MANDATED Vaccines, (Vaccines that have quadrupled in # the past 10 years) you will find toxic chemicals such as Polysorbate80, which is another name for "Tween80". Tween80, is the primary ingredient in "The Morning After" pill, designed to induce ABORTION. Lead, Mercury/Thermasol, all TOXIC heavy metals that our God Given, BloodBrain Barrier, USED to PREVENT from being able to cross over into our children's brains. Then, while they were experimenting with Parkinson meds, they discovered a chemical that could BREAKDOWN that protective Blood Brain barrier and made the CHOICE to add it to our childrens vaccinations as well as their food replacment, GMO'S, to ENSURE the TOXINS could work to their FULL capacity. Even GLOBALIST Bill Gates, said to a massive crowd, in one of his lectures, "IF WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH VACCINES, WE CAN REDUCE POPULATION GROWTH". Even the Floride, intentionally added to our drinking water, reeks HAVIC in our bodies Biological Functioning. Floride interferes with the delicate balance of Magnesium, Calcium, VitD, etc, etc, all of these are dependent on eachother. Floride completely disrputs this delcate balance.These Globalists are NOT stupid, they were/are WELL AWARE of what their onslaught of TOXIC CHEMICALS are doing to those in the Western World and beyond. All the while, Big Globalist Pharmacology, is selling us drugs to TREAT the SICKNESS, THEY themselves create. Add Globalist Eugenisist, Margeret Sanger, and her "Vision", in racial cleansing via Sterilization and ABORTION to the mix, and their vision of "Change" is nolonger a long saught out desire, but a fruitful addition, an assurity to "The Change". They evil Globalist's are even giving FALSE diagnosis to pregnant women, throughout the Western World, and encouraging them to abort their babies. These women, THOUSANDS of them, go for a second opinion, and find out, their was NOTHING wrong with their unborn child, but they were actually perfectly HEALTHY. Many Mothers and Fathers simply informed these "Doctors" they didn't care if their child would have a disabilty and REFUSED to abort.....only to give birth to ...PERFECTLY HEALTHY BABIES. If one looks at the WHOLE picture, the WHAT, WHY AND WHO are MORE then OBVIOUS
Now you know how life is on my side of the argument. I hope you guys learn the right lesson...
I'm proud of the Heritage Foundation for giving these Feminists a platform to speak. But as a conservative and a traditionalist, I can't help but notice the glaring irony of the situation. Feminists and Leftists have labored for decades to create our "modern", dysfunctional cultural and political environment. And now that the dystopian madness is threatening to consume them, they seek comfort and assistance from the very people they have maligned for so long. It's difficult to offer sympathy to the unrepentant arsonist, who is remorseful for the forest fire she has set, only because the flames are now consuming her house.
What a perfect comment, sir. These feminist should not be treated as friends, because we never will be, but as tools for us to dismantle the left's control on our nation.
@@ulrichgray5497 Thank you, Ulrich. To be honest, I'm struggling to understand why they find this issue so offensive. For decades, Feminists have enthusiastically supported the "right" of a minor girl to obtain an abortion with ZERO parental consent. They drone on endlessly about "rape culture", but seem utterly unwilling to acknowledged that some one inseminated that minor girl, and it most likely was some form of rape. We are simply witnessing the logical progression of a multi-generational compounding of really bad ideas and philosophies.
@@BoffinGrusky I know why, because they are no longer seen as the main victim group that will receive all the benefits of protection by the state. Now sexually confused men have taken their spotlight, and these white cisgendered women are at the bottom of the victimhood ladder, no longer a priority for the modern intersectional feminism. And why they come to us to be heard, because us conservative and traditional men made the mistake of allowing this to happen, will we continue a new cycle?
@@ulrichgray5497 I think you are spot-on with your assessment. It's the Victim Olympics in full bloom. And just so you know, I didn't allow this to happen - I was grossly outnumbered. :) In most circles, I'm known as a regressive misogynist, and I've always been very proud of the label.
They know feminism is dying in the west so now they’re bargaining with the right. Now is the time to discuss what they’ll give up for us to work with them
You have to be 18 to buy cigarettes and 21 to buy alcohol, but an eight year old can change gender without parental consent? Yep, the world has gone batshit crazy.
All I can say is... they were all warned. Many times. If they are serious enough about this one issue... then I think that they need to show that they are serious enough to actually revisit their stances and positions... where they used political trickery, manipulation of the language, and coordinated activism to achieve all of the goals they personally wanted to achieve... without respect for broader consequences... some of which are affecting them now.
They were told that traditional structures have a reason for their existence. They were told that the accumulated wisdom of many thousands of years... even hundreds of thousands, is somewhat beyond our comprehension and that transitory political fads are inherently dangerous experiments which have to be approached carefully and honestly.
They were told in no uncertain terms that identity politics was inherently evil. Inherently dangerous.
Maybe now they get it. Then again, maybe not.
The left has a peculiar talent of assuming conflicting beliefs on a situational basis... telling themselves (and everyone else) whatever they need to say to get what they want. Those lesbians think it's ok that they corrupted the very notion of marriage... the mating pair of our species. They think it's ok that they got hold of a child that really belongs with its mother and father... corrupting the very notion of family. And in all of this they did not mind. Now people more radical and thoughtless than they've been have come along and corrupted the very notion of gender, and suddenly they don't like it.
Well, you taught those radicals that came after you how to be radical. You taught them how to successfully corrupt the structures and ideas that have survived millennia... and to do so without concern or serious reflection. After all, activism is about action, not reflection.
If you want to save more children then you have to denounce that which imperils them... the thoughtless mob of activists known as the political left.
You've been busy silencing everyone unlike you... in a display of profound intolerance. How ironic that those that you've silenced with your politics... now are the only people that will listen to you in your time of need.
They call the capitulation of mental health professionals pathetic. Well, they didn't when that same mental health professionals capitulated to gay activists too. You *were* warned.
I am sympathetic... BUT HAVE YOU LEARNED A LESSON HERE?
Ryder Spearmann 🤣😂😂👌👍
You're conflating a lot of disparate trends here.
> Those lesbians think it's ok that they corrupted the very notion of marriage... the mating pair of our species
You're right that the mating pairbond is one of the distinctive traits of our species which separates us from the rest of the primates. It's observed in all human cultures (despite what the polyamorists claim). It exists because our species gives birth to its young when it is really still a fetus, and therefore requires much more care than one parent can provide.
But:
That isn't what the marriage debate was about. That's an incorrect conservative conflation as well. The same-sex marriage debate was not about breeding, or cultural/religious marriage. It was about LEGAL marriage. It was about the right of an adult to designate another adult as his/her LEGAL PARTNER. -Someone who can visit them in the hospital without permission, someone who can make financial and medical decisions for them if incapacitated, someone who inherits all of their stuff if they die suddenly, someone who can file joint taxes... If you're against allowing an adult to designate whomever they want to fill that role, you are against personal freedom and liberty.
No one was ever suggesting that a church could not legally refuse to carry out a same-sex wedding. No one was ever suggesting that religions had to edit their scriptures to allow homosexuality. No one was even suggesting that people couldn't roll their eyes when they heard a woman refer to another woman as her "wife." You're free to do all those things, and that was never in question. Even as an atheist, I would be resolutely against the first two hypotheticals, if they arose, and would protect your right to the last, even though I think it's rude.
The easy way out of that debate, I always thought, was to rename ALL legal marriages "civil unions," since there is a fundamental difference between the cultural/religious institution of marriage, and the legal institution of the same name.
> Now people more radical and thoughtless than they've been have come along and corrupted the very notion of gender, and suddenly they don't like it.
Again, you're conflating.
Their issue is NOT over whether people should have the right to start dressing and acting like the gender that is traditionally associated with the opposite set of genitals from what they were born with. Their issue is with ALLOWING CHILDREN TO EMBARK ON DANGEROUS MEDICAL JOURNEYS WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS' PERMISSION. Again, it's about LEGALITY.
If a kid comes out as homosexual, that's actually pretty low-impact, and if it turns out to be a phase (like it is with many girls, although my fellow lefties would not like me pointing that out), they just switch teams later. All it is is behavior.
However, if a kid comes out as trans, a doctor wants to step in and pump them full of hormones and cut off parts of their body. What happens if it turns out to be a phase or (what I suspect), a fad? That's the issue.
If an adult wants to do that, then fine. But a kid should not have the ability to fundamentally alter his/her body without parents' permission. We do this not because we're meanies, but because humans aren't really good at conceptualizing long-term consequences until their 20s. There is plenty of cognitive science to back that up.
There is also a biological/anthropological angle to this: Homosexuality (especially male) occurs in every society, just like marriage does. And there are men who act more feminine and women who act more masculine in every society, too. But this idea that up to 5 people out of every 100 are "born as the wrong gender?" No. That doesn't happen. That number is way off, and therefore can only really be accounted for by cultural differences. Furthermore, there has been VIRTUALLY NO cognitive/neuroscience support for this idea that transgender people were "born in the wrong body." Gender roles, however, DO show up in almost identical forms in all human societies, and in the womb, male and female fetuses are treated differently by the mother's body, in the number/intensity of testosterone washes. It is very clear that gender identity is NOT socially-constructed, but, rather, is biological.
So how do we LEGALLY handle transgender people in a free country that values personal liberty?
-The same way we have been: When you're old enough to be considered competent, you can choose to undergo dangerous hormone treatments and have parts of your body lopped off. You can change your name (although I'm not sure about legally changing gender, for health reasons-a transgender body is still the original body with some technological modifications, and EMTs/doctors need to know what hardware they're actually working with).
The issue is when we start using LAW to enforce CULTURE.
As a liberal, one of the main reasons I oppose a lot of conservative policy positions is that I believe they are overstepping the bounds of what the government has any right to control. The government of the US is supposed to protect freedom without taking sides. Denying people the right to choose their own legal partner because religion says that those people shouldn't be having sex is an abuse of governmental power. The religious angle is irrelevant. However, denying parents the right to make medical decisions for their kids because a social movement (that is indistinguishable from religion) believes it's wrong to question the whims of teenagers is ALSO an abuse of governmental power.
I think that gender tracks almost 1:1 to biological sex, but I also believe in freedom, and if an adult feels happier presenting as the opposite gender, or no gender at all, then I will defend that right. But I can't defend doctors making irrevocable changes to developing bodies based on their personal values.
Mister Fusion, since you bring up "learning a lesson" in your closing, allow me to continue the analogy:
Here's your homework: Go through your ideas on what policies you support and ask yourself why. If the answer is not "it provides for more personal liberty without costing anyone else's," then it's just a personal value, and doesn't belong in law. The only way that any of us can be free is if we respect and protect the freedom of others, even if we don't like those people or their beliefs.
@@g2DN2aTYHzNsVR6o You're simply confused. Example... you think you understand the marriage debate. You do not.
All you understand is the one sided conversation that gay activists forced into the courts. You're just parroting what THEY say the issue was... when in fact it was fake. False. Bogus.
Making someone a "legal partner" is utter bullshit.
Marriage is ********OLDER******** than LAW.
What you witnessed, but simply don't comprehend, is that someone used the modern constructs of LAW to assert itself OVER THE ANCIENT REALITIES OF MARRIAGE.
Marriage is NOT a legal concept (again, reference that it is much older than law).
You might understand this better if you reflect on a case where the LAW proclaimed a man was deceased (as he was missing) The man eventually went before the courts to remedy this, but the courts held firm. They said "you are still dead", in effect, directly to his face.
Courts can say ****ANYTHING****. But courts can not change reality.
Marriage is the name we give to the mating pair of our species. Period. Then con-artists went before a court and got away with a big lie... one that you repeat here.
Law can declare the skies neon green if it wants to. It's still a lie. The issue is, why would you agree to such a lie?
@@RyderSpearmann I'm afraid it's you who is confused, as you're muddling up disparate concepts and treating them as a single thing.
The only aspect of marriage over which a governing body has any power is the legal aspect. That is the only aspect that the legal debate was about.
Again, if you want to believe there's some aspect of marriage that transcends what it is legally defined as, then that's your right. I agree that every human culture practices some form of it (serial monogamy is the norm, as it is in our culture as well, and most people settle down with some partner who doesn't change around the time that the hormones die down, as is the case in our culture as well), so we're in agreement that it is "ancient." I'd rephrase that as "biologically driven," because "ancient" doesn't imply that it's right or appropriate, only that it's old. Sacrificing children to make it rain is ancient as well, but I doubt you are in support of it.
As for the "deceased" argument... Well, it's not an argument. It's an anecdote, sans citation. I fully expect that such a thing has happened, but even then... The courts are not telling him he's dead; they're telling him he's LEGALLY dead. Dead in the paperwork.
If the law declared the skies green, the skies would be legally green. Yes. It would not change the color of the sky (although you've picked a very bad example, because colors themselves are a cultural construct-different language groups parse the spectrum of visible light into named colors differently; here in Japan, much of what we English speakers would consider "green" is considered "blue"-those boundaries are entirely artificial), however, for matters of legality, the sky would be understood to be green.
No one denies that law is a human construct.
In fact, that is precisely the point. Legal marriage is a wholly human construct, and as such, can be freely altered as desired. In our society, we value freedom and liberty, and to deny some people the right to selecting a legal partner because they can't procreate... is a violation of their liberties. The fact that you don't agree with the philosophy of same-sex marriage is wholly beside the point. The fact that same-sex couples can't naturally procreate is also beside the point.
If you have a hard time differentiating between law, nature, and philosophy, you've got bigger problems than simply using too many asterisks.
@libertydefined31 I definitely take your point about jurisdiction, since marriage licenses are granted by the states. It definitely was a gray area. In general, in stark contrast to most liberals, I'm in favor of states' rights. The argument was, therefore, much more about discrimination, which is handled by the federal government.
But even if it were a state issue, all it takes is one state to do them, and the rest of the states would have had to honor those marriages because of the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution. Just as you can drive in Nebraska if you're from Colorado, you are married in South Carolina if you're married in Oregon.
As for illegal immigration, I think that gets muddied up as well.
1) Immigration has been shown time and again to boost the economy. More people doing more work means more money being generated. As an American, unless you're 100% indigenous (whether that be Native American or Latin)-and no one is-you are the descendant of immigrants. And a lot of us are pretty recent, even. The British side of my family emigrated right after the Civil War, and my great-grandfather emigrated from Germany just after the turn of the 20th century, and married another recent German immigrant. The rise of the US economy was due to a massive influx of labor. This has been studied to death. Immigration, no matter whether it's legal or not, boosts the economy. But...
2) What "boosts the economy" means is always up for debate. More people = more money = bigger economy. Any study of this needs to look at real wages and see if that "boost" is shared fairly. As a left-leaner, I'm gonna promise you that it's not (Support for "open borders"-which is utter nonsense, by the way-has NOT been a traditionally left-leaning policy!). Who benefits when there's a massive influx of people who are willing to work for much less than the local population-a population expects crazy things like not sleeping 12 dudes on the floor of a one-bedroom apartment so they can Western Union most of their paycheck back home to support their wives and kids? Well, duh, it's whomever is employing them. Lower labor costs mean more profits for them. This also, I strongly suspect, exerts downward pressure on wages for workers in industries where much of the work can be carried out by people who barely even speak the local language. Where once someone could graduate high school (or not!) and get a decent-paying job in a beef plant and work long enough that they figure out that school was better than this, or that they move into management, now companies like that can essentially hire a slave class of people who will take lower pay and worse conditions because they know that if they speak up, they'll be ICE'd the night before payday. I strongly, strongly suspect that illegal immigration does boost corporate profits, and therefore appears to boost the economy, but does so at the expense of the working class. I don't consider myself a socialist (much of socialist ideology is indistinguishable from religion), but come on: That's a textbook case of proletariat vs. bourgeoisie.
3) What also gets muddled into this, though, is racism and xenophobia. It's true that a lot of "build the wall" people feel that way because they don't like brown people who speak Spanish at Walmart. People who oppose immigration on racial/ethnic grounds actually hurt the controlled-immigration cause because they are so easy to dismiss. The overwhelming majority of people sneaking over the border are not rapists or drug dealers. They're coming to do crappy manual labor because the US dollar is stronger than the peso, and they need to support people back home. They're willing to work insanely hard for relatively little because they love their families. These are good people making a desperate choice because their own countries' economies are jacked. The immigration question must be wholly divorced from questions of race/ethnicity if it is to be discussed rationally. It doesn't matter who the people are or what they look like or what they speak. The questions are simply: "Have they gone through the proper channels to immigrate to this country", "Have they secured the proper visa to work", and "Is that visa still valid?" It is not racist to insist that people respect the laws of the country they are moving to, and avail themselves of the policies and procedures set up to allow them in. Neither is it racists to expect someone who expects to live in a country permanently to speak the local language at at least an intermediate level. -And I'm saying this as a guy who has lived in Japan for most of the past 20 years. You have to do your paperwork. You have to apply. You have to be accepted. You have to report to immigration to renew your visa. And eventually, you may be able to apply for permanent residency so you don't have to keep going down to the office every year or three to renew. There are procedures and policies, and it is not racist to expect people to adhere to them.
4) Finally, The Wall (not the Pink Floyd masterpiece): The question for me is simply: "Would it be worth the money?" Would it curtail illegal immigration enough, hopefully (and I suspect this is true, but so far the research on this suggests otherwise) raising low-skilled workers' wages and therefore improving the Main Street economy, to offset the massive expenditure necessary to build the darn thing? Again, the research so far suggests that it would not. The problem, though, is that I suspect the research has likely been carried out by neo-con/neo-lib think tanks, etc., and might have been designed in such a way as to ensure that outcome.
Until the anti-illegal-immigration stance can be purged of its racist xenophobia and focused on economic effects, it won't get anywhere. We're coming off of three presidential administrations (Clinton, Bush II, Obama) whose economic policy, when you strip the rhetoric, has been exactly the same (well, actually, Obama was the strictest with regard to deportations). I think the only way forward for us as a nation (and I may not live there now, but I still want a nice place to move back to some day!) is to reject the lie that we are at odds with each other. We're not. Polls of American opinion on many of the big issues of the day show that public opinion is pretty unified, even across party lines. Many of the things Trump got his support from saying are classically ECONOMICALLY LEFTIST positions.
What makes me optimistic these days, though, is that I feel like people are waking up. I feel like people are starting to notice that people "on the other side" are saying the same things they are. I think that people are starting to realize that, since deregulation of the media has resulted in 5 companies controlling ALL the "news," the "news" is better understood as "oligarchs' talking points." We've been manipulated for decades at this point. The scary thing, though, is that it gets very hard to tell what to believe.
Finally, as for the political correctness, remember that none of this is law. It's culture. The only real danger is that a handful of moonbats are trying to make their philosophies/cultural values into policy or law, and yes, we must fight that. But the reason we must fight that is not that they're wrong (they are, but that's not the reason), but because in America, no one has the right to wield the power of government to ENFORCE his/her own little vision of utopia. That doesn't matter if it's "evangelical Christians" (full disclosure: I'm an atheist raised evangelical, but what I was raised believing about right and wrong and how to treat my fellow children of God bears no resemblance to what I see being labeled "evangelical" now), or ivory-tower queer theorists (full disclosure: I'm a university professor in the humanities, but more on the quantitative end). We all gotta live here, and the promise of America is that the government is not going to get in your way unless you're actively, materially damaging someone. Hurt feelings are outside the scope of government; sorry. The government does not exist to provide its citizens with happiness, validation, or other warm fuzzies. It's there to provide economic and military services. The government is not God.
These people will only wake up when it's their own child.
There are older people that regret taking hormones now . We don't need that on the markets ! There are natural alternatives
I don't understand, if the science and medical studies aren't conclusive, why would any medical professional open themselves up to this sort of malpractice litigation or negligence suit?
Because this video is mostly baloney my dude
@@joggersforcake how is it baloney? Men cannot be women and women cannot be men. Reality isn't hate speech.
This is what happens when you go against Gods laws. Everything we do has repercussion down the road. Wake up!
'Attacked very personally and very viciously if you don't go along with it' - I don't understand how these people would be in a position to object. Do you remember what would happen to someone if they didn't think gay marriage was a good idea? Or you didn't think a woman would make just as good a fireman as a man? Or you thought a child should be raised by a married man and woman? You were attacked personally and viciously until you went along with it. All those ideas were rammed down our throats in previous decades, and to the satisfaction of each of these panelists.
Now that they have yet another group trying to ram ideas down their own throats they feel that its somehow not right to do that? They are turning to the public for some sympathy, and getting a deadpan look in reply.
I wouldn't dare stick out my neck to help any of these people. They're on their own. But when it comes to raising my own children and their children, I am very aware of which ideas people have attempted to ram down my throat over the years, and they are all defeated quietly in my family. My children are 100 % normal, and so are my grandchildren. I ignore the lot of you, and always have.
TofeldianSage yes! I agree with the message but I stepping back and letting these evil witches deal with the consequence of their own actions
@@gmeister03, these people have been diligently picking at the social fabric for decades, and feeling like it has had an all-positive effect on our society. Now that they would like to rely on the social fabric to enforce some normalcy they're finding the fabric is in poor condition and not really able to help them. You kind of wait for the light to come on, but it never does. They never seem to make the connection. They're so used to being the beneficiaries of these artificial social advances that they have no experience of being the ones called on to pay for it.
As I said above, my solution had always been to go off-grid. Publicly I say nothing, privately I regard them as lunatics and dangerous to my family. I suspect I am not alone.
Jeff yes.
That definition of gender, was absolutely not the scientific definition of gender.
Woman creates monster.
Monster bites woman.
Woman wonders why.
They wanted to create disorder and chaos and are now demanding order. Hahaha
Anyone find it ironic that hyper feminist are rooting for women to turn into men? Or that trans men are dominating women in their own sports? Seems like the very thing they didn’t want.
What's also ironic is the the non-scholaristic competions women can compete in will be beauty related.
Heartbreaking society we live in today! Utter MADNESS!
reminds me of a quote from Marcus Aurelius, "To receive the impressions
of forms by means of appearances belongs even to animals; to be pulled
by the strings of desire belongs both to wild beasts and to men who
have made themselves into women, and to a Phalaris and a Nero"
TheSmokingNug Lol so the transgender conversation reminded you of this? Simpletons 🤣
combing the trans movement with Men's rights is utterly ridiculous, wow, hateful lies.
Julia was quite brilliant! Highly intelligent, and I felt for her because her views and pain are quite obvious. Go Julia!!
A million claps for this video 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
What are the names of the panelists and their field of expertise?
All have Doctorates in field of bullshit.
@@yahoohotmail4127 when people cant rationally argue a case they resort to Ad Hominim!
Colin Ely You mean like leading with the premise that trans-women aren’t women?
When you have pre-conceived notions about the validity of trans-women, there is no logical avenue for a discussion of substance. How can you level with me, when you’re never on it? Now bow to me, simpletons.
@@yahoohotmail4127 in Samoan culture they have Males , Females and Fa'afafine,who are neither Males nor Females. It's just like no one is 'Assigned Male at Birth, Doctors keep making decisions just like they always have ☺
@@yahoohotmail4127 No-one is "trans." And you're a man, always, now and forever. The end.
Social contagion: that's it in a nutshell. And those most prone to it are most resistant to seeing that fact. True in other things also.
This breaks my heart I feel so helpless with so many things. Maybe they are pushing it because they are unhappy and they want everybody to change to feel more accepted.
There are no open minded Democrats. Why do you think you are speaking at The Heritage Foundation?
I am a radfem and as leftist as they come. I am also a desistor who considered transitioning but decided against it, both for medical reasons and because I realized one cannot change their sex.
Intersectional REALITY. Well done. Great discussion and panel.
So where do intersex people fit into this whole discussion around Gender Identity ?
@@tudormiller8898 what EXACTLY is your definition of the word "intersex"?
Kanfachan. Intersex is someone who is born with both male and female sex organs.
Tudor Miller Intersex people are the exception not the rule. No need to even bring them up because they’re not the ones causing all these problems.
Heartbreaking, devastating. 🙏 Lord please heal this suffering world.
Men are picking up "slowly"....because we are shut down every time we try to speak ;)
Nah. I support this act.
#EqualityAct
I agree that men in general are not thinking about the issue properly, because they have lived different lives, and have never experienced the fear that women can feel on a daily basis when doing things which men take for granted. My partner gets angry with me when I bring up the issue of men being allowed access to women's spaces, yet when I tried to explain the issues he shuts me up saying he doesn't care. Yesterday I excluded him from a social meeting with a friend because I want to be able to express my views and discuss them without experiencing intolerance. Today he listened to me for the first time while I described part of the sheer volume of rapes, sexual assaults, harassment, bullying, stalking, groping and mysogeny I have endured and witnessed other females being subjected to. Added to that is my horror at the growing sexualisation anbd indoctrination of youngsters around an ideology they are far too young to comprehend. He had no idea that girls and boys are being placed on puberty blockers, hormones which are inappropriate for their bodies, then having sexual organs removed, or the phenomena of teenage girls being groomed online by trans ideology, leading to an explosion of the numbers of youngsters seeking "gender reassignment treatments", which are a total misnomer, and surely must be breaking the trades descriptions laws. We as tax payers are funding costly procedures which are sterilising and mutilating youngsters, and disabling them for life. This is not acceptable. Women need to be listened to for a change, and men need to listen and stand by us. If someone wants to be trans, then men who "identify as women" should be called trans men; and women who identify as men should be called "trans women". That would remove at least some of the confusion which some people appear to experience over defining what a woman is.
Parents used to not let kids get tattooed until they turn 18. Now they are applauded for letting minors have elective surgery and hormone therapy with serious and permanent consequences. Adults need to act like adults until children mature to be able to make their own decisions.
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[ Chris Rose ], doctors used to decide FOR a baby born with ambiguous genitals and operate without hesitation, parents STILL get all kinds of plastic surgery for their kids, nose jobs, ear tucks, chin lifts, parents and doctors cut off parts of a baby boy's penis, and parents often get baby girl's ears pierced ... and your attention to those realities is?
NO ONE in support of a trans gender child is giving hormones with serious and permanent consequences to minors, please look stuff up and read current worldwide references for support of trans gender children and educate yourself with some facts.
I learned a lot from a search for:
Spack how I save transgender teen's lives
There's way more out there, please report back after you have studied current protocols, and please correct your errant posts -- thanks.
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@@peterblaise I'm always willing to find out I'm wrong, but you're telling me that no minors are being given hormones or hormone blockers?
For the record I'm for adults making whatever well considered choice they want to make, however I think it would be difficult for anyone to make an informed choice because the only research that seems to be currently allowed around the topic supports a particular POV.
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[@@chrisrose2803 ], you don't understand research, it does not support a point of view, it's research. Opinion supports a point of view, hence "opinion" is defined as "belief not based on fact". Fear not to read research and make up your own mind. Start with the hundreds of references at the bottom of Wikipedia articles ... see you back here in 5 years.
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[@@chrisrose2803 ] read worldwide standards of care for trans gender youth. Also read what puberty blockers are ( first used for early-onset puberty, such as 3 and 4 year olds, by the way, having nothing to do with being trans gender, and a safe and well established protocol, and NOT a hormone ) -- enjoy your research.
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@@peterblaise The method of science (propose a hypothesis and test it) aims to be free of bias, but it is never performed in an environment free of bias. I'm not aware of all the research you mentioned (and I don't have 5 years to dedicate to it), but my perspective potentially flawed as it is comes from when I hear legitimate inquiries being shut down because it supports a different view. Dr. Kenneth Zucker, who had been a leading clinician in this field had his clinic in Toronto, shutdown in 2015 because he was advocating a wait and see protocol with gender dysphoric individuals. From his experience a majority of patience grow to be comfortable with their identities as cis gender homosexuals, rather than transgender individuals. Furthermore recent research on rapid-onset gender dysphoria has been attacked and deemed "pseudo-scientific". No doubt the Littman research isn't the most rigorous study, relying on self reported surveys, but this is not uncommon for exploratory research. The backlash it received didn't seem to be focused on its scientific merits but rather a moral condemnation to signal that this was not a valid area of inquiry to follow. These moral attacks and stifling of inquiry makes it less likely that people and institutions will be willing to keep studying these difficult topics.
WONDERFUL INFORMATION!!! The true, evidence and science is there. Thank for your service and effort.
The transgender trend among teen females is similar to the teen pregnancy trend three decades ago.
They have got to start saying equality of opportunity not just equality because that word alone implies equality of outcome which is ridiculous.
One thing missing from this discussion is that there are literally millions of people alive today who were prenatally exposed to high doses of artificial female hormones (estrogens and progestins), usually as part of treatment aimed at reducing the likelihood of the mother miscarrying or giving birth prematurely. From my own experiences and from talking to other people with a known or suspected history of exposure to these drugs, the male assigned children from these pregnancies often end up permanently feminized, both physically and psychologically. Doctors have been hiding the physical anomalies by reclassifying things that are actually signs intersexed development has taken place (e.g. hypospadias and undescended testicles), as "genital anomalies of unknown etiology", and usually operating on the affected children soon after birth to make them look more like ordinary males. A second effect of these drugs is that they can prevent the brain from masculinising fully (or at all), producing people who look male enough to have been assigned male at birth, but have intersexed or female brains. Unsurprisingly, these people with feminised brains often have a strong inner sense of being a woman, despite having a body with male genitals and being regarded as male by everyone around them. Hardly any of the children from pregnancies where hormones were used know they were exposed, which has helped obscure the connection, but nonetheless, the link between the earliest and best known of these drugs, diethylstilbestrol (or DES), and transgender, is something that's been talked about within the transgender community for years. A study published in 2005 found that 150 of the 500 DES "sons" participating in the study identified as women rather than men.
Here's some personal stories of people who were prenatally exposed to DES:
facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/a-tragic-des-intersex-story/1910413039261661/
facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/medical-incompetence-causes-gender-dysphoria/1910445085925123/
facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/des-and-the-other-half-of-it/1910852755884356/
facebook.com/notes/protect-the-unborn-child-from-synthetic-hormones/a-transsexual-biography-parts-1-and-2/1911708495798782/
That's actually interesting, albeit of limited application to millennial transgenders.
I'm a hardcore conservative on transgenderism (I think self-ID is a load of crap) but could accept that a brain could have its gender profoundly influenced by hormones or drugs during gestation.
Anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence. You are dabbling in pseudoscience.
@@Maksie0 Things can be true in medicine for a long time before being proven by large number studies. The idea that synthetic estrogens during gestation might profoundly influence the brain is plausible on the face of it.
Let the DES people share their stories and if it looks plauisble enough, test it with real science. As long as they accept that it's not proven yet and not going to be the basis of policy until it's proven it's all good by me.
@w reed Amen. If it was administered to women from 1940-1970 it's got nothing to do with the insane self-ID movement of today.
@w reed There are apparently now such a thing as "transtrenders":
"The typically female, present-day equivalent of what every other "bisexual" girl in the 00's actually was. (A straight white privileged girl who wanted to seem ~edgy~.) "
"Transtrenders are basically gender-conforming cisgender people pretending to be transgender and using different pronouns because they think it makes them special, and want to be able to say that they are oppressed by being in the transgender community because they think it makes them look cool. Transtrenders are incredibly disrespectful to real transgender people, making a mockery of what transgender people experience, invalidating the problems and hurt that real transgender people face, and turning these people's identity into a fashion trend."
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=transtrender
So a small part of what you say may be true. However, just because there are may be a few bandwagon jumpers (who will grow out of it, it's no fun living in a body opposite to the sex you identify as), doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people who are genuinely transgender. From my own experiences and from talking to other people with a known or suspected history of being prenatally exposed to doctor prescribed synthetic female hormones, I can tell you that being trans is a real phenomenon that results from the wrong hormones being present during the critical time the brain is developing, preventing the brain from masculinizing (MTFs), or causing it to become inappropriately masculinized (FTMs). Many of us have physical symptoms of intersex as well, something that gets completely glossed over by the transgender healthcare industry.
Great information. I love this.
This is all so tragic....
One thing I wish these women would understand that they and so many others do not seem to, is that title IX and the 'Civil Rights Act', were and are evil. Two wrongs do not make a right, they exacerbate a bad situation and we are where we were destined to be when we accepted these evils as the solutions to problems, when in fact they ultimately created larger problems. As they correctly mention a few times, many people have not thought things through. Indeed.
We are fighting a losing battle.... reason will not work with the enemy that we are dealing with. Look around, it hasn't yet in 100+ years, and we're on the precipice of an unprecedented societal disaster.
Feminists may correctly understand the power and money they are up against. They mistakenly think that a great many men do not. That same power backed their movement not long ago, and has turned on them. Promoting women's rights has never been this power's agenda, nor is promoting 'trans rights' the goal now. The goal is confuse, divide, and conquer. The money backing these movements has never cared about the people who believe in them that are used as pawns to promote a larger agenda. There are very evil people in power pulling the strings.
All that said, I applaud the attempt and it is a noble and valiant one. In the end though, so long as they hold some evils dear, they will not be able to escape the coming bigger evils. What are they? Well... a few were mentioned, but think this all through.... the erasure of women (and men!) is just part of what is coming.
Until these women stop fighting for only women, their cause is lost. Women and men must stand together, and stop allowing the very evil that is threatening to erase them, to divide them, as has been the case for so many decades now.
The woman at 35-45mins has no self-awareness, she's speaking at the Heritage foundation and trying to make the same arguments we've been telling them FOREVER.. We sympathize with women and Lesbianism but when she said inclusivity includes everyone except lesbians I was really hoping someone would have shouted out "Heterosexual Healthy Young White Christian Men", more hate points for as many of those labels fit your innate being.
Funny, we know how society influences (Urie Bronfenbrenner's, "Ecology of Human Development"), nature vs. nurture (it is both) but we refuse to talk about the "influences" of media, liberal education, absence of or abusive parents (especially fathers), emasculation of men (presented as "toxic masculinity") and the plethora of other social influence. Add to this the hyper-sexualization of children and sexual imprinting (which includes first sexual experiences) and we think this is something that is ONLY determined by biology... even though the DNA clearly points to a child's gender. If it were "natural", we would not need all the gender reassignment surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, social readjustment and all the other things that have to happen, the presuppositions based on fallacious science are incredibly damaging to the "natural" argument.
Chapel Hill UMC Rome That was pretty gay.
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[ Chapel Hill UMC Rom ], we ALL self-identify our own gender around age 3 according to our own self-awareness of the gender of our own brain, and none of us need to first consult our birth certificate, no DNA test needed, no social exposure to conservative or progressive pamphleteering, no Bibles, no peer pressure ( consider twins where one is trans gender and one is cis gender ), your speculative suppositions are inexcusably naive, please web and library search to develop some informed empathy:
gender development in the womb before birth
gender self-identification in children
Spack how I save the lives of transgender teens
register sex gender Social Security Administration
my transgender story.
In a world wide web of endless information, with 20+ years of settled and evolving science, biology, medicine, psychiatry, genetics, ENDOCRINOLOGY especially, and of course LAW by which we all get along equally under Constitutional law, willful ignorance is inexcusable.
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It's the lesbian mother's fault for trying to raise her daughter to be masculine and lesbian
The owners of the media outlets and our politicians agree with these perversions so any type of conversation is in vain.
Julia Beck is wrong at the end, when she says "get off the Internet". Giving up the Internet is giving up the world. IRL doesn't mean anything anymore, online is as much real life as talking to someone on the street. This should never be underestimated because it's what 's shaping the world, without the Internet none of this would be happening at all.
The same thing that is happening in the climate debate... "the science is settled" and any evidence or discussion to the contrary brings the various "phobia" or "ist" labels.
"Denier"
@Black Knight Fool That's pretty ignorant IMO.
"My wife and I are lesbians, and liberal in our politics " then later: "my husband wrote to planned parenthood"... "= lack of masculine identity, and structure, fragile mental state, overall permissiveness, lack of responsibility, etc... I feel for you 3.
You are aware that the woman in that part of the vid was reading stories from parents who did not want to be on camera, who are worried about their transitioned children? The lesbian couple and the "my husband" woman are different stories she was reading.
The slippery slope of sexual deviancy has accelerated to a horrifying speed.
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[ Dixie Hall ], BEING any gender has nothing to do with BEHAVIOR, you are on the wrong thread.
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Warp Speed
The people who are making the most noise about equality are the ones who need to raise their standards.
Off to the Goolag for this panel and audience!
Thank you, guys, we need more people like you in this world!!!! God bless you.
Lesbians seem to be the only ones with common sense left. Delia Morris
Most gay men too.
its really hard to believe that this country has become so insane…my fear is my 13 year old is going to suddenly want this too
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price
Walter Kirchner I’m fighting the vegan agenda. It goes along with this conversation.
Wasn’t there something on Planned Parenthood on The Corbett Report dot org about how Planned Parenthood used to be focused on Phrenology and sterilization of minorities before they changed their name?
Thank you to the panelists and the Heritage foundation for creating a space for this conversation. I too have no political home, not after this issue was brought to my attention by a dear friend. I used to be a democrat, now, I'm not sure. I have no political home, this issue is FAR too important to be ignored. FAR too important to be dismissed as insignificant.
People on both sides feel that way. We need more options. One side is all about shutting you down and the other side doesn’t really get anything done. 🤦🏽♀️ I was a Democrat, became a Republican in 2008 and now I want to change to independent.
Self-absorption seems to be the hallmark of the panellists, not much else. Their maturity level (not the mask they wear) is that of a preschooler.