That struck me too :) I was anticipating a relatively solid performance, based on Moorcock's Hawkwind collaboration, Deep Fix et al, but *_WOW._* You might enjoy the opening seconds of Grant Morrison's Disinfo Con lecture: th-cam.com/video/l-cxBuRU09w/w-d-xo.html
Right now, as a fledgling writer, its defining ny 30s. I thought I knew it all when I turned 30, but Moorcock and phil K Dick both showed me how far I was off the mark. Ubik and Elric: Stormbringer both ripped my eyelids clean off.
A few years ago I would’ve wholeheartedly agreed with thee. Now I fear any adaptations would be filled with modern day identity politics and idealistic insecurities, without any care for the source material, thus sadly, a total shit-show! Best left in the realms of the reader’s imagination methinks.
@@chitlun This jackass is really out here bitching about "identity politics" in response to an anarchist author while tipping his fedora and writing "methinks" unironically.
I can tell you why. The witcher and sapkowski. Sadly because of hte witcher games popularity, it beat elric to the modern stage. An elric show was being made by hbo max, it was cancelled due to complaints that it was too much like the witcher. Which is incredibly ironic since we all know that the witcher aped a large part of its idea from Elric. Sad. So blame the witcher and ignorant people. Theres one silver lining here, we dont have to sit and watch hollywood ruin elric, for now it can remain our little golden nugget thats unsoiled.
This is great. A perfect Sunday morning listening experience. Two grand examples of what made my 20th century fun and enjoyable. These 2 gentlemen right here 😎😎
This is such an interesting perspective on fiction writing in the 50's-70's and even commentary on earlier writers Heinlein and Asimov. Not to mention a relevant opinion on inspiration and intellectual property, what a cool conversation.
An amazingly relevant conversation even to this day. 57:38 "I am a political writer. I couldn't not be, I'm a political person." is something more people need to respect about creators. Instead of getting upset that someone is "injecting their politics" into something, realize that's WHY stories are told throughout history. To pass on morals, ideas and beliefs. No one really hates politics in stories, they hate politics they DISAGREE WITH in stories.
I would say that what is hated is politics that is one sided and not explored from all angles, I think its that kind of cartoonish politics that winds people up as it is spoon feeding the audience rather than stimulating thoughts/conversations.
I think your comment is very misguided, and it comes across like something an over-zealous ideologue would say. The problem isn’t that people don’t like being presented with direct allegory that asks them to think. The problem comes in when people feel like they’re being told WHAT to think. Good literature should always beg the question , not try to give you the answer. There’s a big, but subtle, difference. That’s why Moorcock’s Elric stories work so well. They’re more cerebral and philosophical than your typical Sword and Sorcery stories, but they’re never overbearing. They simply ask you to question authority. Even in a multiverse where gods do actually exist, you should still probably be wary and distrustful of them, because they pose a threat to individual autonomy. Moorcock is an Anarchist, so you will inevitably see trace amounts of that in his work if you look closely at the themes, but you’d never see Elric grind the story to a halt to tell you about how great an Anarchist utopia would be. The number one priority is always to entertain. I personally wouldn’t describe myself as an Anarchist at all. Yet, his stories still resonate with me in spite of this because the questions that Elric asks himself are questions that I sometimes ask myself too. It isn’t one-sided and there’s a universal truth buried in there. It’s popular and it stood the test of time for a reason. It speaks TO you, not AT you.
@@valenluca3253 Presumptuous of you to assume you know the author's intent. Your comment was he intended ironically? Your balance of order and chaos suggests you would benefit from reading the story again.
Honestly, Pop culture or a topic about fiction should be avoided at all costs in any discourse because it would create stupid ideas. Just like what happened with famous people. Saying nonsense that does not benefit the world at all.
Not true at all, I love art which has complexity which leaves me wondering what the author thinks politically because they examine the issues with nuance and non-judgementalism.
I was on holiday and bought "Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius" and a copy of Heavy Metal Magazine. I was about 12 or 13.. Made me feel very confused and a little bit strange
New interview www.perun.hr/michael-moorcock-famous-uk-sf-writer-and-a-successful-recording-musician-known-for-contributions-with-hawkwind-and-blue-yster-cult
The flipping back and forth between black & white and color isn’t artistic, creative, novel, intelligent, thoughtful, imaginative, or useful in any way. It’s annoying, distracting, and entirely stupid at best. Pretentious at worst.
I would agree with you but using a mono version of the two stage based cameras turned out to be the only way the recorded images could be seen almost clearly. We were given only one hour to set up for the shoot and weren't allowed to have operators on the two stage cameras so they couldn't be controlled and adjusted during the interview. Our other two cameras were forced to be high up in the theatre so also not ideal. We also weren't allowed to use our own sound and mic system to record so it's a miracle that we came away with anything as good as we did.
Really enjoy Moorcock's writing and novels, but was disappointed to hear ( or thought I did) him describe himself as an anarchist. Here in the US anarchist are regime change loving liberals doing cosplay while licking the boots of the state department.
That could just be the interpretation given by the MSM and other bad actors, to discredit those who might challenge the hegemony of corporate control over every aspect of our lives. Here is a basic definition : "Anarchy is a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body. It may also refer to a society or group of people that entirely rejects a set hierarchy. Anarchy was first used in English in 1539, meaning "an absence of government". ...and number of widely used terms to describe "anarchists" : nihilist, insurgent, agitator, subversive, guerrilla, terrorist, bioterrorist, narco-terrorist, ecoterrorist, cyberterrorist, agroterrorist, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, rebel, revolutionary, revolutionist, Bolshevik, mutineer, insurrectionist, frondeur. So... BLM, The Jan 6 rioters, Extinction Rebellion, Waco, Timothy McVeigh, The Proud Boys, Cliven Bundy and his family, Occupy Wall St., etc, etc, COULD all be classified as "anarchists", depending on your political persuasion.
It's always enlightening to be reminded once more that America's definition of any political term is almost always at odds with what it means everywhere else.
![[MV] A leap of faith...ความเชื่อใจครั้งสุดท้าย (From "Petrichor the series")](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1piZH2CNXA/mqdefault.jpg)
This is like one of those stories where two aspects of the Eternal Champion meet up.
The change in Moorcock's voice when he starts reading is mesmerising...
That struck me too :) I was anticipating a relatively solid performance, based on Moorcock's Hawkwind collaboration, Deep Fix et al, but *_WOW._*
You might enjoy the opening seconds of Grant Morrison's Disinfo Con lecture:
th-cam.com/video/l-cxBuRU09w/w-d-xo.html
Moore and Moorcock, just what I like.
Moorcock's writing defined my teens & Moore's my 20's.
Right now, as a fledgling writer, its defining ny 30s. I thought I knew it all when I turned 30, but Moorcock and phil K Dick both showed me how far I was off the mark.
Ubik and Elric: Stormbringer both ripped my eyelids clean off.
A trick: watch series at flixzone. Been using it for watching loads of movies lately.
@Orion Franklin yea, I have been using Flixzone} for since november myself :)
Michael Moorcock’s Elric series is one of my favorite fantasy epics. I have all of the Daw copies with the Whelan covers. Love those books
I look high and low for those Daw Elric books. I've only gotten two. They're as rare as unicorns.
I have the Grafton book ones. picked them up for like 3 bucks each.
love them.
Moorcock is an astounding writer, I'm amazed we haven't seen an Elric movie or TV show yet, there's an untapped wealth of material there.
A few years ago I would’ve wholeheartedly agreed with thee. Now I fear any adaptations would be filled with modern day identity politics and idealistic insecurities, without any care for the source material, thus sadly, a total shit-show! Best left in the realms of the reader’s imagination methinks.
@@chitlun damn shame, one there will be an adaptation that does the work justice
@@chitlun This jackass is really out here bitching about "identity politics" in response to an anarchist author while tipping his fedora and writing "methinks" unironically.
I can tell you why. The witcher and sapkowski. Sadly because of hte witcher games popularity, it beat elric to the modern stage. An elric show was being made by hbo max, it was cancelled due to complaints that it was too much like the witcher. Which is incredibly ironic since we all know that the witcher aped a large part of its idea from Elric. Sad. So blame the witcher and ignorant people. Theres one silver lining here, we dont have to sit and watch hollywood ruin elric, for now it can remain our little golden nugget thats unsoiled.
@@jonathansoko1085 Good to know, maybe a videogame one day on par with God of War (2018)?
I love both of these guys but I'd take a bullet for Moorcock, he has been one of my biggest influences for almost four decades bless his soul
I want more Moore and Moorcock.
Careful how you say that....😂
This is great. A perfect Sunday morning listening experience. Two grand examples of what made my 20th century fun and enjoyable. These 2 gentlemen right here 😎😎
"I couldn't find anything else that wouldn't go on for about three hours" . . . Walks onto the stage with Alan Moore.
I love this conversation. Long live Moorcock and Moore!
Two much cherished British greats.
This is like watching the gods on Mount Olympus.
I love how their legs are mirroring.....they respect each other.....brilliant
I loved this so much. Thank you for publishing it!
Close encounter of genius kind... I love them.
Two genius : great (sorry for my english).
Few anglophones get it right either. Thank you for spending foreign coin on British culture (the economy).
loved his hawk moon books too and Elric now listening to corum audio play he's one of the best
Thank you for sharing this treasure.
Thank you very much for the upload. The quality is great, and it's a fascinating conversation.
Fantastic 🎉
This is the best thing I’ve ever watched!
This is such an interesting perspective on fiction writing in the 50's-70's and even commentary on earlier writers Heinlein and Asimov. Not to mention a relevant opinion on inspiration and intellectual property, what a cool conversation.
Both The Whispering Swarm & Jerusalem were my best reads 2019-2021
Two great men.
Much appreciated. Thank you for sharing.
I'm fascinated by the unexplained arrival of the chair.
Alan More lives outside the Matrix he only pops in from time to time to expand the minds of the enslaved
Don't be so dramatic, he lives in Northampton.
@@nodiggity9472 Life in Northampton is the most opposite to dramatic that you can ever imagine.
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@@valenluca3253 no.
+No Diggity Because theres too much progressives over there?
Seems like a lovely et clever Guy. Be happy
This was very enjoyable thank you for the upload!
Why have no more come to see this do they not remember or no this couple
Thank you. Thank you so much for this.
Grettings.
Thank you for the upload
An amazingly relevant conversation even to this day. 57:38 "I am a political writer. I couldn't not be, I'm a political person." is something more people need to respect about creators. Instead of getting upset that someone is "injecting their politics" into something, realize that's WHY stories are told throughout history. To pass on morals, ideas and beliefs. No one really hates politics in stories, they hate politics they DISAGREE WITH in stories.
I would say that what is hated is politics that is one sided and not explored from all angles, I think its that kind of cartoonish politics that winds people up as it is spoon feeding the audience rather than stimulating thoughts/conversations.
I think your comment is very misguided, and it comes across like something an over-zealous ideologue would say. The problem isn’t that people don’t like being presented with direct allegory that asks them to think. The problem comes in when people feel like they’re being told WHAT to think. Good literature should always beg the question , not try to give you the answer. There’s a big, but subtle, difference.
That’s why Moorcock’s Elric stories work so well. They’re more cerebral and philosophical than your typical Sword and Sorcery stories, but they’re never overbearing. They simply ask you to question authority. Even in a multiverse where gods do actually exist, you should still probably be wary and distrustful of them, because they pose a threat to individual autonomy.
Moorcock is an Anarchist, so you will inevitably see trace amounts of that in his work if you look closely at the themes, but you’d never see Elric grind the story to a halt to tell you about how great an Anarchist utopia would be. The number one priority is always to entertain.
I personally wouldn’t describe myself as an Anarchist at all. Yet, his stories still resonate with me in spite of this because the questions that Elric asks himself are questions that I sometimes ask myself too. It isn’t one-sided and there’s a universal truth buried in there.
It’s popular and it stood the test of time for a reason. It speaks TO you, not AT you.
@@valenluca3253 Presumptuous of you to assume you know the author's intent. Your comment was he intended ironically? Your balance of order and chaos suggests you would benefit from reading the story again.
Honestly, Pop culture or a topic about fiction should be avoided at all costs in any discourse because it would create stupid ideas. Just like what happened with famous people. Saying nonsense that does not benefit the world at all.
Not true at all, I love art which has complexity which leaves me wondering what the author thinks politically because they examine the issues with nuance and non-judgementalism.
Alan Moorcock.
Epic beard authors!
I was on holiday and bought "Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius" and a copy of Heavy Metal Magazine.
I was about 12 or 13..
Made me feel very confused and a little bit strange
alan moore blushing oh man lol
New interview
www.perun.hr/michael-moorcock-famous-uk-sf-writer-and-a-successful-recording-musician-known-for-contributions-with-hawkwind-and-blue-yster-cult
Why 2/3 through does an extra chair get added?
..."well it was the 50s, the grayest period of all time..."😂
What a genius.
Edmund Cooper another British great. Wyndham still the best though...
Aren't they the same person?
"It's (sic) content"... good grief, what would Moore and Moorcock have to say about that?
Pseudo-intellectual champagne socialist baby boomers unite!
The flipping back and forth between black & white and color isn’t artistic, creative, novel, intelligent, thoughtful, imaginative, or useful in any way. It’s annoying, distracting, and entirely stupid at best. Pretentious at worst.
Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and only stupid people like you thinks his subjective opinion is objective
I would agree with you but using a mono version of the two stage based cameras turned out to be the only way the recorded images could be seen almost clearly. We were given only one hour to set up for the shoot and weren't allowed to have operators on the two stage cameras so they couldn't be controlled and adjusted during the interview. Our other two cameras were forced to be high up in the theatre so also not ideal. We also weren't allowed to use our own sound and mic system to record so it's a miracle that we came away with anything as good as we did.
Why so triggered by that?
Really enjoy Moorcock's writing and novels, but was disappointed to hear ( or thought I did) him describe himself as an anarchist. Here in the US anarchist are regime change loving liberals doing cosplay while licking the boots of the state department.
That could just be the interpretation given by the MSM and other bad actors, to discredit those who might challenge the hegemony of corporate control over every aspect of our lives.
Here is a basic definition :
"Anarchy is a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body. It may also refer to a society or group of people that entirely rejects a set hierarchy. Anarchy was first used in English in 1539, meaning "an absence of government".
...and number of widely used terms to describe "anarchists" :
nihilist, insurgent, agitator, subversive, guerrilla, terrorist, bioterrorist, narco-terrorist, ecoterrorist, cyberterrorist, agroterrorist, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, rebel, revolutionary, revolutionist, Bolshevik, mutineer, insurrectionist, frondeur.
So... BLM, The Jan 6 rioters, Extinction Rebellion, Waco, Timothy McVeigh, The Proud Boys, Cliven Bundy and his family, Occupy Wall St., etc, etc, COULD all be classified as "anarchists", depending on your political persuasion.
@@curmudgeon1933 Yes basically, I don't want the gay homeless man to die because he's gay, I want him to die because he's poor and homeless.
Thank God the world is not America.
@@hypatia4754 no matter where they are anarchists are still a bunch of cosplaying children. That shit you leave behind in college.
It's always enlightening to be reminded once more that America's definition of any political term is almost always at odds with what it means everywhere else.