What some people seem to forget about the 2006 Tour de France is that Landis' competition was really, really mediocre, from an all-time perspective. The whole top 5 from the previous 2005 Tour de France - which is Armstrong, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and Vinokourov - didn't participate. Joseba Beloki had also fallen off, due to his 2003 crash. Tyler Hamilton, another top guy, had fallen off due to doping shit. Landis' biggest threat to the title was Oscar effin Pereiro. 2005 was basically the end of that particular era, and 2006 was a really shitty intermediate year before Albert Contador came along as the new big stage race guy.
Also, while yes, everyone's doping, not everyone is doping to the exact same degree. Lance Armstrong for instance was most certainly at the absolute forefront in getting the absolute best and max out of the PEDs.
@@okyouknowwhatever True. Before him, Indurain was on a different level than anybody else. Recently, the Ineos dominance in doping has ended, now it seems to be a Slovenian connection.
Thanks for the upload, before this I'd seen only a few short clips of Floyd's races, and very brief glimpses in support of Armstrong. Landis had such a short peak (before the injuries and doping scandal) he's almost forgotten now, but he was a heckuva good rider and much better time trialist than most of his peers from that era.
honestly, unlike Armstrong, Floyd seems to be a genuine nice dude. relatively easy going, always talking to journalists etc... that kinda pains me up to see how dumb he's been on that move. i'm sure he could've been a great rider without that mistake. i still can't comprehend why they decided to pull such move without thinking of the tommorow. how did their doctor couldn't hide that doping regimen that was easy to hide. knowing what was achievable by these doctors. feels off. it's like riding a motorcycle straight into a wall without protection gear. what did they expect??!
Power void opened up after Lance exited. Predictably, chaos ensued. This stage looked exactly like the crazy shit you’d see from the mega-dopers back in the 90’s.
Landis failed a dope control. That's the main difference. He did win with his legs. Of course it's not the same as with Armstrong. Armstrong is suspected of "micro-dosing" with drugs that would have also been prescribed during his cancer treatment. He didn't fail any doping controls. He got harassed by his teammates and then sued by the US government for "fraud" in the USPS sponsorship. And Landis was in on the action as a whistleblower (looking for a 10% reward plus revenge, we must assume) rather than a defendant even though Landis didn't really have any criminally actionable evidence. The whole thing is just pathetic. Landis was a great rider but also a massive blame-shifting hypocrite.
@@EMC2Scotia "Very selective reading" in a passive voice means what, exactly? Armstrong experienced things nobody else experienced. I don't feel the need to demonize anyone. But I do know what Landis did and why. I know a lot more about him. I don't feel the need to pontificate beyond things that I have a clear handle on. To support my point on Armstrong, he could have argued for Therapeutic Use Exemptions while recovering from cancer. I wish he would have done that. I think a lot of problems with "doping" are caused by demagogues and not the athletes themselves. A lot of athletes tried to lobby for "truth and reconciliation" to fix the regulatory regime that athletes face beyond what ordinary people face when they seek medical help to stay healthy and strong. It is the culture and the regulatory regime that got out of control in the Armstrong era. Mostly because of "globalization" of professional sports. Landis's main problem is that he went along with it up until he got caught. He denied using the drug that he got accused of taking based on the race's doping control tests but then pivoted to testifying against Armstrong based on "syringes" and unspecified "doping" accusations when he could not save his own reputation. The two cases are not really similar at all. What they have in common is that they're both US citizens and both raced under US licenses and are subject to US judicial system.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 Landis 'did what he did' when, around 2009 or 2010 he spoke to Bruyneel and Armstrong about a place on their team, and was rejected? Vindictive perhaps, but this adds an additional layer to his motivations, one of which was to unburden himself of lying about what he had done (advice Lance actually gave him in 2006), which you say you know well? There is a very clear distinction being made of Lance being victim (if he was victim of a corrupt system, weren't they all?), and Landis as actively cheating the system and acting hypocritically thereafter.
2:01:00 he'd be giving a different sort of interview a week later & much, much worse than talking about cracking on a stage. Floyd my dude, you should have known when to quit. Losing the TdF is way better than losing your career & reputation.
Great ride Floyd. They were all doping.
Probably all are now (y)
To bad they got him. I also liked his riding very much. He deserved a TDF win 👌(sry bout my poor english)
What some people seem to forget about the 2006 Tour de France is that Landis' competition was really, really mediocre, from an all-time perspective. The whole top 5 from the previous 2005 Tour de France - which is Armstrong, Basso, Ullrich, Mancebo and Vinokourov - didn't participate. Joseba Beloki had also fallen off, due to his 2003 crash. Tyler Hamilton, another top guy, had fallen off due to doping shit.
Landis' biggest threat to the title was Oscar effin Pereiro.
2005 was basically the end of that particular era, and 2006 was a really shitty intermediate year before Albert Contador came along as the new big stage race guy.
Also, while yes, everyone's doping, not everyone is doping to the exact same degree. Lance Armstrong for instance was most certainly at the absolute forefront in getting the absolute best and max out of the PEDs.
@@okyouknowwhatever True. Before him, Indurain was on a different level than anybody else. Recently, the Ineos dominance in doping has ended, now it seems to be a Slovenian connection.
So this is where "pulling a Landis" comes from; bonk a day before included 🤔 thanks for the upload
2:53:03 is where the fun begins. The nod of the head to follow me is epic and will go down as the legend nod of the head. 2:53:58 is the nod.
Thanks for the upload, before this I'd seen only a few short clips of Floyd's races, and very brief glimpses in support of Armstrong. Landis had such a short peak (before the injuries and doping scandal) he's almost forgotten now, but he was a heckuva good rider and much better time trialist than most of his peers from that era.
I'm 53 and I bonk getting ready to ride 🤪
honestly, unlike Armstrong, Floyd seems to be a genuine nice dude. relatively easy going, always talking to journalists etc... that kinda pains me up to see how dumb he's been on that move. i'm sure he could've been a great rider without that mistake. i still can't comprehend why they decided to pull such move without thinking of the tommorow. how did their doctor couldn't hide that doping regimen that was easy to hide. knowing what was achievable by these doctors. feels off. it's like riding a motorcycle straight into a wall without protection gear. what did they expect??!
Power void opened up after Lance exited. Predictably, chaos ensued. This stage looked exactly like the crazy shit you’d see from the mega-dopers back in the 90’s.
DESTRUCTION MASSIVE!!!
Floyd was the most aero in the TT, he was an intelligent bike rider
yes, epo
-Un Tour dificil, donde se nota la lucha contra el dopaje.
"Carlos De Andres"
Because of this era, clean riders can now compete and win.
😂😂😂😂😂 yeah, ok 😅😅😅😅
@@drvonnostrum2671 😆😆
@@JohnSmith-pn1vv he believes in Santa Claus, too!
You don't get many 'Floyd won the Tour' comments, similar to the belief Lance is a 7 time TDF winner.
Landis failed a dope control. That's the main difference. He did win with his legs. Of course it's not the same as with Armstrong. Armstrong is suspected of "micro-dosing" with drugs that would have also been prescribed during his cancer treatment. He didn't fail any doping controls. He got harassed by his teammates and then sued by the US government for "fraud" in the USPS sponsorship. And Landis was in on the action as a whistleblower (looking for a 10% reward plus revenge, we must assume) rather than a defendant even though Landis didn't really have any criminally actionable evidence.
The whole thing is just pathetic. Landis was a great rider but also a massive blame-shifting hypocrite.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 Very selective reading, but if it is all just pathetic, Landis is a hypocrite, what does that make Armstrong?
@@EMC2Scotia "Very selective reading" in a passive voice means what, exactly?
Armstrong experienced things nobody else experienced. I don't feel the need to demonize anyone. But I do know what Landis did and why. I know a lot more about him. I don't feel the need to pontificate beyond things that I have a clear handle on. To support my point on Armstrong, he could have argued for Therapeutic Use Exemptions while recovering from cancer. I wish he would have done that. I think a lot of problems with "doping" are caused by demagogues and not the athletes themselves. A lot of athletes tried to lobby for "truth and reconciliation" to fix the regulatory regime that athletes face beyond what ordinary people face when they seek medical help to stay healthy and strong. It is the culture and the regulatory regime that got out of control in the Armstrong era. Mostly because of "globalization" of professional sports.
Landis's main problem is that he went along with it up until he got caught. He denied using the drug that he got accused of taking based on the race's doping control tests but then pivoted to testifying against Armstrong based on "syringes" and unspecified "doping" accusations when he could not save his own reputation. The two cases are not really similar at all. What they have in common is that they're both US citizens and both raced under US licenses and are subject to US judicial system.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 Landis 'did what he did' when, around 2009 or 2010 he spoke to Bruyneel and Armstrong about a place on their team, and was rejected? Vindictive perhaps, but this adds an additional layer to his motivations, one of which was to unburden himself of lying about what he had done (advice Lance actually gave him in 2006), which you say you know well? There is a very clear distinction being made of Lance being victim (if he was victim of a corrupt system, weren't they all?), and Landis as actively cheating the system and acting hypocritically thereafter.
Made them ride beyond themselves , legend still O/O°
Haha @ 2:09:21 'Get me some IV's, get me some recovery'' If only they knew back then....
I think "they" all did know.
They are all winners 🏆...I'm just saying ...ya got beat ya got beat
Le Tour de EPO. The bike race of master dopers. May the best doper win the bike race!
@Maxton Cairo You're right. No one gives a shit. Go away scammer.
@@roadracer1584 He DID go away and took his comment, whatever that was, with him. Funny.
Nothing have changed since. They just don't talk about it anymore
2:01:00 he'd be giving a different sort of interview a week later & much, much worse than talking about cracking on a stage.
Floyd my dude, you should have known when to quit. Losing the TdF is way better than losing your career & reputation.
Desperately wanted the limelight like Armstrong. Failed miserably.
Landis is trash