Breath of the Wild: Does the Forgotten Temple PROVE the Tetraforce Theory?
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- While there have been many famous theories within the Zelda community, one has stood out ever since the days of the Nintendo 64. Through evidence found within Ocarina of Time, speculation began on the existence of a 4th triforce piece. This theory would be later dubbed "The Tetraforce Theory".
Even after Nintendo has come out and denied it's existence, people still believe that the theory is true. But does Breath of the Wild shed any light on this well-known theory? That's what I look at today as we explore the mysterious Forgotten Temple!
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maybe the real Tetraforce was the friends we made along the way
Maybe ; ) I work at Nintendo and I helped made the triforce
no u
I knew it the Triforce of courage did nothing it was the power of friendship all along
I feel like there is some hint about the tetra force we have power wisdom and courage so if we go back to four swords it says the foursword splits link into three personas of the tri force but wait there's a fourth link by looking on this theory I can actually claim but I'm not certain it is a big hint but just what if ...the fourth link ...is the tetra force but since we have power wisdom courage all what makes up the world but there's one thing missing there is spirit so what if the tetra force is actually supposed to give the user unrestricted magic since we see Zelda characters always having some item to use magic
Tori Layne Bell lmao thats priceless
The fourth piece is obviously "Charisma" and it belongs to Tingle.
Sweet merciful Hylia!
Simpsons reference received
Nathan Craft nobody cares
Oh god
daethwing188 lolololololololollololol
Maybe it’s actually a quintiforce. There’s actually five triangles. The whole triforce is another triangle.
At the bullseye...
well its impossible for someone to have one piece and someone else has the whole thing unless there are 2 quantiforces
He is too intelligent to be kept alive
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@@thegogglesfam352 petraforces
I always thought that fourth triangle on the OoT Hylian Shield was representative of Hylia, just like the others represented Din, Nayru and Farore. The three creators above, the guardian loftwing, and the goddess born mortal.
It probably is representing Hylia
Cause We see on the Shield the 3 Goddesses (Tri-Force) is above
And Hylia (The fourth) is at the bottom
As in The Goddesses left for the Heavens and left Hylia to Protect Hyrule
The reincarnation of Hylia in Wind Waker is also called Tetra.
The forth piece is the player playing the Zelda games.
The player is the Controller.
The Triforce of Control.
Lol I Iove your theory
Headcanon it now
Headcanon
If power, wisdom, and courage don’t work, try force.
Nice pun
Ha
Lol
I love triforce puns .
Oh. OH.
This is the flat earth of Zelda theory's.
Redhawk OH DEAR GOD 😂
That made me laugh harder than it should have 😂😂😂😂😂
Just because everybody involved with it is saying otherwise, they were all paid off, and I’m the smartest and everyone else is dumb
Theories*
How dare you.
I think I know what the "fourth piece" represents. Each of the pieces of the triforce resents a key personality trait, namely the ambition for power, the humility of wisdom, and the will of courage, so what possible trait would be the natural combination of all three? What trait would be powerful enough to both to be found when all three are combined, both a catalyst their unity and beholdent to their unification? A trait that represents all these aspects working in tandem and that gives the triforce the ability to grant wishes?
It's purpose.
To fulfil a purpose, you have to have the wisdom to know how, the power to be able to complete it, and the courage to act on it.
To wish upon the triforce is to grant it purpose. To assemble the triforce, one must have an ultimate purpose to their actions.
It's why its both there and missing, depending on the players interpretation, because it's their purpose that drives them to play through the game. It's why it's the only piece to not have a physical form, because while power, wisdom and courage are consistent entities, no one player has the same purpose, and each one is decided outside of the realm of the game.
It's the Zelda series as a whole, the power that comes from your arsenal, the wisdom required to outsmart a puzzle, and the courage to try and best any challenge that the game throws at you. It adds up to beating the game: the reason for playing.
It's in BOTW too, with the unification of all three pieces and players in the final battle being the ultimate purpose of the game. And with it being the most open zelda game of them all, that fourth piece is the most elusive it's ever been. It requires much more of the player to find it, and sometimes it is forgotten. The only way you'd find yourself at the forgotten temple is to have stumble so far off the beaten track your overall goals are forgotten, left at the wayside as your venture into it, only to find that giant goddess statue, and realise that maybe your purpose was forgotten after all, merely altered by your own curiosity, by your own desire for fun, your new purpose.
yours is the one that i liked the most! thanx!! also that of the time, but isn't it time you spend while pursuing your goals? :)
“The wisdom required to outsmart a puzzle”
Me: *quietly puts my phone away*
I just clicked this because I recognized Hobbes but then I just have a new headcannon I guess
The fourth piece could be Impa's, because she's been in multiple games. So she reincarnates just like Link, Zelda, and Ganon.
Wow, I never thought of that...
So is Tingle
Nukestarmaster Oh no, never mind, tingle has the last piece
She’s basically the fourth wiseman.
@@Nukestarmaster Tingle has incarnations
He doesnt reincarnate.
“Not to protect something, but to keep people out”.....isn’t that protecting something?
yea
huh....perhaps? I guess when I say "protect something" I refer to an item or valuable
Keep people does kinda mean protect something but I agree with you more Abc that's your nickname
Not to protect something, but to protect... someone. [promptly gets sliced through the chest with a laser sword]
No that guarding at that point when you want to keep people out. Protectj g means you know what it is your watching vs guarding your told watch hallway kill all that enter sorta thing.
BotW just made the original shield make sense... the fourth triangle at the bottom represented the goddess becoming one of us, a fallen goddess
TEN THOUSAND YEEEEEAAARS.....
.....will give you SUCH a crick in the NECK.
~My brain while watching this video
RIP Robin
Lol literally Ganon
This comment... just a win all around..
You just related broke neck mummy Ganondorf to Robin Williams. Go ahead and take the rest of the day off. Ya did good.
I instantly read that with Genie's/Robin Williams' voice in my head btw.
Well played clerks.
You legend
We all know who wields the fourth peace of the Tri force....
The one who wields the Master Torch.
Yes
No the master rock
MINECRAFT STEVE.
One who wields master torch would have the tri force of light that’s why he has the master torch
No its tingle
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Thank you, i was really reaching for a joke, I'm glad it made someone chuckle. :) Cheers mate.
@@shaneharvey1946 or people don't dig that far into comments. This was a neat little gem
@@godshollownutsack9272 Thank you. I promise you this is the highlight of my life. It's all down hill from here. It's lonely at the top bois.
@@shaneharvey1946 I was sober when I made my earlier comment, so plz forgive me for I am now on shrooms
It's always gonna get better man. It's downhill when you believe it's downhill
@@godshollownutsack9272 may your vision quest be insightful peaceful enlightening, and you become one with the universe. Goddamn shrooms are great for understanding the universe. My previous comment was a joke like that was my 15 minutes of fame that someone got a chuckle out of a joke I made. I was on top of the world :p
Please return back to your meditation 🙏
Did- did he just say it’s no masterpiece???
Good day, sir. I SAid GoOD dAY!!!
@@mattlawrence6077 You must be fun at parties
@@mattlawrence6077 You say you're giving your opinion, yet are treating it as if your opinion is correct, which, I mean, no one's going to change it, but I'm just going to say that most people disagree with you. Also, you saying it felt rushed feels ironic to me considering they actually delayed the game for two years to make it a Switch release game. Rushing it would have been them still trying to release it only on the Wii U. But hey, that's just my opinion, feel free to disagree
@@mattlawrence6077 I'm sorry you felt that way (please don't take that the wrong way), I wish you could've felt the joy and sense of discovery I and many others felt while playing it, but nothing can change the way you feel about a game really, so I'm hoping botw 2 will help give that to you
@@mattlawrence6077 I can't even be bothered to read that
Kt Ash I totally agree! I started with Zelda II at age 8 and I’m currently OBSESSED with BOTW! The immersion and the soundtrack are what get me the most, but the storyline really drives it home as well. Also, if the last boss fight seemed easy or incomplete, it’s probably because they’re setting it up for the sequel. I mean Calamity was obviously just another projection, and Dark Beast was pure malice, so we really didn’t even FIGHT Ganon directly. Only his essence. The sequel will fill in the gaps.
"it's.. no masterpiece"
*clicks away and throws computer out window*
I felt the same after he said that. That toddler sounding music at the end of the videos is no masterpiece either :(
so wait? does masterpiece mean perfect or something made on a master's level. because nothing is perfect, but things can be masterpieces. so, I think he mistook that for perfect, because he's wrong otherwise, it is a masterpiece, even if botw2 ends up better because they can fix flaws from botw1 criticism. if botw isn't a masterpiece, then there is no such thing as a masterpiece in gaming.
That Guy with an Umbrella if BOTW isn’t a masterpiece, then I’ve never played a masterpiece, and I’ve played a lot of games...
When he said that my jaw literally dropped and I had to go back because I thought I misheard him. What the hell??
The fourth pieve symbolizes the three individual pieces now being linked, thus becoming a working unit. There is a distinction between holding two separate pieces, and three connected pieces.
**cough** 'link'ed **cough**
The Fourth is the one who hold it, Linked to his possessor.
All Mortals possesses Force Inside of them, it's was given by the Goddesses, that's why no members of the God Tribe can utilize the Triforce, it has to be a Mortal being that can hold Force.
Demons fed of Force, like Bellum, so they can utilize the Triforce too.
Force is mentionned in many games; The Minish Cap, Four Swords Adventure, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.
There is no fourth piece when all the other parts are together, even when they're at their full giant size and actively granting wishes. Besides, we just call that completed relic the Triforce. Not the Tetraforce or the Quaddroforce or the Fource. They're sometimes referred to as the Golden Power or the Triumph Forks, though. I wish more people would pay attention to the dichotomy of the Golden Power and the Silver Arrows, which feature in a few of the early games and are necessary to beat Ganon, who generally has the Triforce of Power.
Exactly
I remember there was an interview or official statement from the makers that the Triforce and the Triforce pieces were called Triforce because of the shape, not the number of pieces. Therefor, no matter how many pieces there are, it would always be Triforce, never tetraforce or pentaforce or whatever.
If your theory of the fourth Triforce piece being formed by uniting all three pieces is true, then it would form a pentaforce, not a tetraforce, since, using your own explanation by use of the "how many squares" puzzle, there would be five triangles.
The Triforce pieces were created by the very act of the three goddesses leaving the world and the pieces appeared in the precise location where the goddesses left. The only other Goddess, the fourth Goddess, ever mentioned in the series is Hylia. She never left the world but stayed behind to protect and guide the people and protect the Triforce pieces of the other goddesses. Since she never left, no Triforce piece associated with Hylia was created. The argument can be made that Hyilia's realm of power is time, not light...but there is also enough evidence to suggest that it is light, not time...or maybe both time and light...
50%: people yelling because he said botw is no masterpiece
35% people telling him to look at zeldas necklace
15% comments he’s pinned and cares about
Hah when I first heard the theory I was like "TETRA!?! THE PIRATE ZELDA GAL!?"
LMAO since WW came right after OoT, the name Tetra was definitely Nintendo screwing with the Tetraforce theorists
Yeah, I kinda wondered why they chose a name like Tetra, since it sounds blatantly symbolic but doesn't match up with the established Zelda symbolism. It was especially unusual since it was right after Sheik, whose name was about as subtle as a kick to the illusionary Sheikah groin.
That said, did the Tetraforce theories start springing up after OoT was released?... The internet was in its infancy at the time and I hadn't yet begun to frequent the Zelda corner of the internet, do I don't know firsthand.
I believe so yes. Cause in the original Ocarina of Time the Hylian Shield had a picture of the Triforce with a separate upside down piece falling away from it on the bottom of the shield. After people started using this as evidence they changed the shield to not have the other piece.
Ikr
CrikeyMations! woah dude it 4th bit might belong to he- Oh. Tetra is Zelda isn't she? 😱😭 I knew that and forgot.Theory= Ruined.
There’s actually 5 triangles in the Triforce.
Nothing But The Austin no! Don't start that
TurboCMinusMinus it was all broken up in wind waker too.
Nothing But The Austin what your proof?
Hyper Drip the complete triangle, the three parts, and the space in the middle. 5
Shane Ellis still doesn’t make sense to me at all the full triangle is just all four pieces put together it doesn’t mean it’s the fifth one. And also Nintendo didn’t actually announce this theory to be true so
WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Is that...
Palutena!
Autobot Renegade XD I noticed that too
MollyTheFrog AWESOME, ISN'T IT!!!!!!!
Autobot Renegade Iiiii
Dark Pit just had to crash the party. Also, listen to the way Pit says her name in Sm4sh. Lay dee Pal uh Tay nuh! Lul.
Palutena is Hylia confirmed.
6:35 look at zeldas "belt" there is a smaller fourth piece in the middle
The tetraforce is power, wisdom, courage, and physics
That doesn’t exist in the Zelda universe
@@radiish1122 holy shit thats true
Some people are remembered for thzir courage or their wisdom or even their force
Some are remembered by their physics
I like to think the fourth piece is 'Justice', one force that would hold the other three pieces together and balance them out by giving them a common goal to strive for. Justice would intentionally be depicted as a 'missing piece' because it can only exist if the other three are together.
The Triforce has no sense of Justice, remember, Bad or Good, it didn't matter.
The fourth Triforce ... it would be the Force that is everywhere, given to mortals by the Goddesses.
Justice is too blind and neutral to be a virtue. I believe that the fourth piece is Heart cause of how Love also plays a huge role in the series than just wisdom, power, and courage. Also that the fourth piece would also act as like a core for the complete Triforce, hence the name Triforce of Heart.
Not to mention the fourth piece is proven to exist physically. This theory about optical illusions is wrong.
lets say it does exist. what could it mean?
justice? possible, but doesnt connect to the story very well.
balance? highly possible. you cant have 1 piece and not the others. one cannot exist without the other. also why the triforce split up when gannondorf touched it in ocarina as he wasnt as brave as link (was going to steal ocarina and/or kill to acquire), or as smart as zelda (who saw through his ruse).
light force? again, plausible as they might have had the thought planned out, and a lot of zeldas attack involve a triangle.
completion or being whole? very possible as in order to be complete you need all 3 in your life; power to fight for belief, knowledge to know what and how to say something, and the courage to face the world for what you belive is right. you need all 3 to be complete. could also represent the story being a whole world on its own. different from balance as balance is required to obtain triforce while having all three makes you feel complete.
Considering the Judeo-Christian parallel of the three goddesses, and the Christian iconography in the early games. While not literally something that exists, I'm going to say love is the metaphoric core of the Triforce. The thing that will make it used for good instead of evil.
LuckyKoneko
More like Order?
Without it, its Chaos
So I took a look at the map of Breath of the Wild and started to draw some lines on it. Connecting the Goron, Zora, Gerudo and Rito settlements and drawing two diagonal lines I ended up in a place just east of Hyrule Castle with the eastern-most pillar sticking out, nothing there. Then I tried connecting the three mazes whose center point is in a spot just to the north-east of that area, in the small lake that's the farthest south-west of the Woodland Tower. Connecting the Kakariko, Hateno and Lurelin statues and I ended with a triangle whose center is almost exactly Hateno Tower. So I tried connecting those three center points and I ended up in the Lanayru Wetlands, rather close to Kakariko once again.
So finally I drew lines between the three Springs of Power and determined its center, which turned out to be Vah Ruta. Vah Ruta is an ancient Divine Beast shaped like an elephant, but what does that have to do with the Tetraforce? Well, back in the Miocene there was a genus of elephantoids (some 10.9 million years ago) related to the Gomphothere, which had double the number of tusks that today's elephants have. Now, these particular elephantoids had large teeth (six times the size of human teeth) with a quartet of ridges to easily gring vegetative material. Because this paticular animal was identified by its teeth it was named after its four-ridged tooth: _Tetralophodon._
That's right. _Tetra._ Right in the center of the gathering of the power of the gods. So does that mean that Vah Ruta is the Tetraforce? No, it means that just like Vah Ruta the Tetraforce is an ancient relic of the past.
Ok thats impressive 😂, did u read my response to ur one hit question on the previous video?
Beriorn nicely done
That's a lot of research to connect the Tetraforce to Vah Ruta! I'm pretty impressed even though I'm not sure we can really draw any conclusions from this.
You made me read all ofbthat just to say no
wow a super long and very complex yet very awesome theory... cool
6:34 watch zelda's belt....
EL JC how did he not mention or catch this??
OH MY GOD YOUR RIGHT! NBC GET ON THIS
i couldn't see it what is it..?
@@maybenst there is a triforce but in the triforce in the middle there is an inverted black triangle instead of it being yellow it may denote the existance of another one
Yes, Zelda's belt does have a fourth piece, but it was probably for design purposes. The Tetraforce does not exist anywhere else in the game, that includes on Zelda's hand.
What if the 4th wasn't involved in the world Creation? That will explain why is not mentioned at the Hyrule folkloric tales. This concept can be used in a game where the 3 goodness (power included) will fight against the 4th
maybe the fourth could be the evil in the world, where the malice comes from, possible underground (Hint Hint Hylian sheild)
The Triforce was made when the 3 other goddesses left. Hylia didn't leave--she reincarnated to Zelda to hold off Malice. No exit (yet) = no 4th piece. If Nintendo would just let us purify Gannon (hydrate?) separating him from Malice, the 3 heroes would have a chance at defeating Malice once and for all, breaking the curse, the cycle of reincarnation, allow Hylia to pass on from this world / leave, creating the 4th piece, and ending one of Nintendo's most lucrative franchises. I'm just kidding, you can totally tell more of the same story with some new baddie stealing the 4th piece, and 3 heroes using the power of the remaining 3 to stop them. See? You can crank this out forever, and we'll still buy it (especially me).
LINK in the description
Somebody has GOT to make a video, putting a "link in the description" and having every link just be to various pictures or gifs of Link.
Mario Gamer12345 on it
Well there was supposed to be a Light Temple in OOT but the idea was scrapped. So maybe there is a forgotten shard. The Tetraforce of Light. Also, have we forgotten Tetra from Wind Waker. Possibly the biggest clue there is.
Drewsefer89 the pieces are coming together. This makes sense 🤔
Omg! Tetra yes! 😍
I always forget about Tetra! And, since all of the Zelda’s are reincarnations of Hylia, it’s even more interesting - Hylia taking on the name of Tetra - I definitely think the middle triangle represents her.
There's also the countless references to upside-down triangles in Skyloft, which focuses on Hylia.
Those are all great ideas. It’s almost like Nintendo keeps throwing little teasers of it into many of their games but don’t want to confirm anything.
“It’s no masterpiece”
Dude.....
I can’t even find words...except for these
“*_thats where you’re wrong kiddo_*
The dungeons are repetitive, the final boss is easy, and it rains too much. Way WAY to much. Those are my three main problems with the game, and anyone of them means it's no masterpiece.
@@nootdreamnoot1684 Something need not be flawless to be a masterpiece.
I think he forgot the last half of that statement.
"Its no masterpiece.......until it's completed by its sequel"
Thats better
LoreOfTheGame - its just not zelda, people like us who grew up on the old zelda games it’s hard to just switch to a whole new combat system and style in itself
BigDadDirtbag II no- straight from a game design perspective, there’s a lot of flaws. Exploring the overworks is fun but repetitive. Shrines repeat themselves and the lack of themes makes them monotonous and eventually uninteresting once all the complex ones are beaten. NONE of the divine beasts were big enough and imo Ruta was the only one that felt like a dungeon. It was clear that the game was developed with the sandbox thing in mind but the game’s greatest asset is the physics and the size of the world map. The actual combat is very plain and the weapons break so fast players end up hoarding their best weapons so they don’t break, instead of using them. The lack of music COULDVE been poignant but instead it was just lackluster.
Even disregarding all of that, a game should ALWAYS be made with bias in mind. Changing the Zelda formula doesn’t mean making a game stop frog like Zelda. And that’s exactly what happened- the game stopped having that feeling, and that, that’s the kinda thing that fans will notice 100% of the time. They might not be able to say more than ‘it doesn’t feel like Zelda’ but as a game designer, that’s enough of a problem in and of itself when the whole reason people buy Zelda games is because of the Zelda feeling.
I always figured it was a reference to Lorule since they have their own Triforce so they would reference each other
Or it can reference a version of the lightforce
except lorule didnt exist then, it was made by ganon after he was banished to the sacred realm in the downfall timeline
I always figured it was the Wind Temple. It's pretty damn forgotten. One of the only times I can think of that we see it is in Wind Waker. And, it's also buried underground.
There ARE big geysers of wind shooting out of the ground.
It could just as easily be something from skyward sword. The first temple of time maybe? Since that’s northeast of the sand sea.
A triforce theory! I always wanted to know about the tetraforce
The Fourth Triforce is ... everywhere, the Force that is inside all living beings.
Nonoctoro... so you are saying its like the Force in Star Wars?
agentchuckles76 Life Force, Force Gem, Light Force; all are just called Force in Japanese.
Sort of ... but, moving something with your mind is more like magic or psychic power.
Ganondorf can summon lightning too ... oh !
Zelda hyrule wt
And yet your name is zelda hyrule
The upside down triangle could be the dark wold from a link to the past, or lorule from a link between worlds.
or Termina-
Couldn’t the fourth piece just represent how the goddess Hylia gave up her divine form to become Zelda?
At first when you said there was a "six year gap" between MC and OoT, I thought you meant in the timeline. For a second there I thought you were CRAZY!
Since we know there are 4 Goddesses, the triangle pointing down sign would to me just mean the Goddess who remains on earth as Zelda has the blood of Hylia.
Well if we want to get all metaphysical/symbolic, with the triforce we could have a pentaforce
1. Wisdom
2. Power
3. Courage
4. Void/darkness (upside down middle)
5. Balance(whole)
Note how in this model to get balance you must also have the darkness _contained_ within in negative pointing the opposite way
It should also be noted: that twilight princess does suggest that darkness need not be evil, and that many easter philosophies have the concept of the sacred darkness and/or the power of nothingness, so having the upside down triangle representing nothingness/darkness, and having it be a necessary part of the greater whole would fitting in it's way, and strictly speaking there would still only be three actual pieces of the triforce
With him having said that, and with the picture of the light force showing a full upright triangle with no space in it, I only thought,
triforce=light force.
This raises the question, how was it split into three? or are all three a three in one and the light force is the bigger triangle and the space is either to small due to scaling or the space is irrelevant to the symbolism?
This seems to make sense, I thought of the 4th as emptiness but because the fourth thing in Zelda always is the sky. There are many evidence
The creating a champion book says that the Forgotten Temple was built at the same time as the Springs of Courage, Wisdom, and Power, but was a temple used to document the heroes that defended Hyrule against Ganon. It explicitly states it was meant to have the same architecture as buildings from Skyward Sword, which I found interesting. It also says the guardians were put there during it's construction to defend the temple.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Horned Statue.
I've had my own theories about that extra triangle in the past. However, what if, much like some discarded stories in the Torah, this horned statue was a 4th goddess at one point? This nameless goddess decided to take advantage of the creatures to gain worship or the like to gain power over the other goddess'. This turned her into a demon. Thus resulting in Hylia revoking her god-like powers and sealing her away as a statue. Thus, the symbol of the triforce (or tetraforce in this case) served as a reminder of the fallen, but still existing, nameless goddess.
Now, granted, this statue has no mention in OoT or...any other game, really, but she was sealed away long long ago, and was eventually regarded as a myth. Could be a reason why you never saw her in any other game.
Theories are fun.
The horned Statue was just some Demon fellow that deal with Life Force of Mortals for money.
Did you not know it’s demon
Of course, thus the bit where I said she became a demon. It's just a theory.
There are stories in mythology where godly beings become demons for one reason or another.
There are several minor deities in Zelda lore. Such as the Goddess of Sand that used to be worshipped by the Gerudo in OoT; Majora, the spirit sealed inside its eponymous mask; Hylia herself, who didn't exist until Skyward Sword retconned everything (and she's represented by the bird under the Triforce on Hyrule's flag, not by anything to do with the Triforce itself); the Sages probably count as apotheosed deities (again, until Skyward Sword retconned them out of existence); the Fierce Deity sealed in his eponymous mask; Oshus, the guardian god of an alternate world's sea, the "spirits" from Spirit Tracks (who lived in a land far away from Hyrule that Tetra's pirates settled after Phantom Hourglass); and the list goes on.
Equally numerous are one-off tribes that only appear in one game, but clearly existed long enough to leave sprawling ruins, such as the Tribe of Darkness from Four Swords Adventures that were sealed into the Dark Mirror; the "demon tribe" ruled by Ghirahim, which may just refer to common monsters such as Bokoblins; the Wind Tribe from The Minish Cap; the Twili, the yetis, and whoever built that mountain fortress in Twilight Princess; and of course the Sheikah, who were always conveniently wiped out (all except for Impa) before the events of every game except Breath of the Wild.
@@iancomtois9832 I personally thought the red bird under the triforce was just referring to crimson loft wing SS link rides in skyward sword, and since it’s highly suggested that SS link and Zelda were the founders of the hyrulean royal family
So that’s the red bird had a big significance on hyrulean royal family and that’s why it’s on their emblem
But now I read your own speculation it also makes a ton of sense that the red bird can be seen as hylia protecting the triforce.
Based on this wouldn't it make more sense that the big triangle (the one formed on the outside border of the three peices) represents hylia and unity and togetherness and the upside down empty triangle represent Ganon and malice seen as you need all three peices to seal Ganon away with the three peices bordering each side of basically an exact opposite version of the normal peices (being upside down and only formed from a negative) just my thoughts on the matter
robert cosgrave very good job there and I can guarantee your idea as it has been written and backed by an immense amount of lore if you hop over to what I have previously posted
I think the empty space should belong to Midna. As it's lost in the shadows. Quite fitting for her and the way that Zelda was so keen on the princess of the Twili. Ganon already has the triforce of power so...I think that if the 4th exists, it exists in a paralel universe that's in the shadows
But Ganon is power? Maybe the ubside down triforce that doesn't exist stands for lorule?
Idk this Zelda might be my favorite. I'd consider it a master piece even among plenty of other open world games.
It’s cool how he used some of ace attorney’s sound track in this video
"It's no masterpiece." I tend to disagree, especially with all the attention it's still getting - such as this video.
Citrus Architect *wins game of the year award* yeah it’s no masterpiece
COD won a GOTY in 2003 its still not a masterpiece.
BOTW is an awesome game but a master piece? no just no, as a Zelda game its even one of the worst ones
Citrus Architect While it's a game we can talk about for years to come in terms of the impact it had on the gaming community and in regards to lore, it has plenty of flaws that in my opinion doesn't make it a masterpiece. Is it a fantastic game, of course. But there are many issues that need to be fixed for future Zelda games with this kind of formula.
Personally, I think Zelda is a masterpiece. Compared to other Zelda games, it strays kinda far away. And that’s what I don’t like about the game. But if a game isn’t like its previous games, that shouldn’t keep it from being a masterpiece. I’d like to hear your guys side about it either being a masterpiece or not. I’m up for discussion :)
At this point, it’s considered a masterpiece by the majority, I’m sure. To state that it isn’t is bold.
I love unrelated jokes
*Will I don't feel so good...*
Mangle Foxy what?
The fourth piece is an infinity stone.
Hahahahahah memes
I think it says in the Creating a Champion book that the Forgotten Temple was originally going to be a library where the history and secrets of the royal family were kept (hence why it is well guarded) but the idea was scrapped. I always thought the temple was the part of Skyloft that fell to down at the end of Skyward Sword.
I feel like if there was a tetraforce in TLOZ, the peice would of been forgotten.
This how i think it would work, so there’s a fourth golden goddess that helped create the world of hryule but she forgotten long ago along with the fourth peice.
I have one more theory for this
The first Zelda game for N64 had a lost DLC
it was done but it never came out because the N64DD Failed
Maybe will the triangle you talk about be in that lost game
Very interesting video. Now is it actually a tetraforce? With the missing piece being whitespace created by the collective power of the main three or a separate but forgotten idea that works along side the others in harmony? If the triforce works like that puzzle, the total triangles would actually be five; the main three, the center, and the whole. So is it actually a Pentaforce? If so, Hylia would probably be one, but what deity/concept would be the other? You kept expressing your thoughts like the center piece represents what the whole piece would be. Is there anything in Zelda symbolism that could lead to a -Pentakill- Pentaforce?
Would you mind making a video going over the missing Gerudo kings of BotW? They're supposed to have a male born every hundred years. They can't all be connected to the curse of Demise. Or are they just immediately exiled to avoid affiliation from the mistakes caused by when Ganondorf was a Gerudo?
Second video idea. Is there anything, between these other theories, new material in BotW, and such, that would connect back to the forgotten Goddess of the Sands? The goddess carved out of the Desert Colossus and within the Spirit Temple in OoT, and is most likely the same entity of the two statues in TP? Would be delightful.
Breath of the Wild was the second Zelda game I ever played, the Link’s Awakening remake being the first. So I have no knowledge of the other games, and you explain it very well. Thanks you for that.
I honestly never thought about the shield design possibly referencing the Light Force. That’s pretty cool!
I left class to watch this
I think the forgotten temple was still pretty much in use at the time of the calamity.
For instance, there are sooo many guardians!! And guardians showed up in important places were battle took place. And IF you take a closer look, all guardians have lost their legs, so a big battle was held in the forgotten temple.
Maybe the name of the temple has another meaning. The place could have been a huge canvas to tell the story of Hyrule, but was erroded due to the battle.
The goddess statue in that temple is yet the biggest, and goddess statue size is linked to the place importance.
So maybe the guardians were sent there to destroy the "stone memory" of hyrule so that the Malice could prevail...
The canyon were it is build is also and important landmark... since one of the 3 dragon spirits goes through it... I am thinking of a sacred place... made for pilgirmage. There might be other small structures around to serve as inns of restaurants.
What do you think ?
It's look like Skyward Sword architecture, it's actually older than you think it is.
This Temple, I believe it is the second Temple of Time.
We are told that there is only 2 Gates of Time in Skyward Sword like there was only two sacred Springs, we have now Lanyaru Spring of Wisdom in BOTW.
I believe there is also a third Gate of Time hidden in the forgotten Temple, the Gate of Time symbol is in the Throne Room at the Castle.
Sheikah Monks, their Technology, they were from a far away past when Hylia was still a Goddess, they mention her name multiple times.
The forgotten Temple is were I believe, they had built the Divine Beasts and Guarduians and sent them to the Futur by the Gates, piece by piece.
In the road to Mount Lanayru, there are ruins of the same type, I believe it was a Sheikah City.
Nice! I will take a closer look at that. But it makes sense about the use of such area.
Nonoctoro, that's actually a good and substantial theory. It looks like you put a lot of thought into it. Perhaps you should make a video, or do a collab with NintendoBlackCrisis? It would be cool to explore it in greater depth.
Why the quotes around "stone memory"? Is that a recognized term in-universe somewhere?
I’ve seen comments online referring to loftwing statues at the front of the temple and carved inside as well as other comments detailing the similarities to the Great Palace in Zelda II....a video analysing these would be good to see.
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„Yes“
At about 6:30 you show BotW Zelda. One thing I have noticed is the necklace she is wearing bears a tetraforce. The reason I point this out is because each individual triangle is colored black including the center one. Just wanted to point that out as it clearly shows 4 instead of 3 triangle. Also keep up the solid work
If all the colors are black, then there's no Golden Power there at all. Which lines up with every line of dialogue from her being about how she can't harness the "sealing power" she was supposed to be born with. In fact, the word "Triforce" is never mentioned anywhere in the game. Why argue for a fourth piece when there might not even be a first?
Ian Comtois Damn, got me there.
Yay! Another video! So refreshing
Miyamoto: "there is no tetraforce."
Fans: *"Are you sure about that?"*
I remember having a theory about the Tetraforce as well, back in the day. And it tied in pretty well with both the image on the shield and another theory I had about Kaepora Gaebora. I know Hyrule Historia now states that Kaepora Gaebora is the sage Rauru, but at the time all we had to go off of was statements from Gossip Stones and other characters. All the information we had said Kaepora Gaebora was the reincarnation of an Ancient Sage, and that he was very light-hearted. My theory basically stated that he was the previous Sage of Light, but worked as a double agent for the Goddess of the Sand (worshipped by the Gerudo). She tasked him with stealing the 4th Triforce piece, which is why it's shown between his talons on the shield. He was caught in the process though and turned into an owl as punishment. It was believed that he knew he was being followed and hid the Triforce piece somewhere before he was captured, and it's location was never discovered. Kaepora Gaebora was replaced as the Sage of Light, and after centuries of punishment he wanted to redeem himself. He started working with Rauru and Link to thwart the plans of the Gerudo leader, Ganondorf.
The answer to the missing Triforce piece is more than what people thought, though. Where did it actually go, and why would a Goddess seek to steal it? I believed the 4th piece was made by the Goddess of Time (mentioned in Majora's Mask), and when she saw how much it was sought after even by other Goddesses, she split it into two pieces. One half she put in the Master Sword, and the other she put in the Ocarina of Time. It's stated in game that whomever holds both pieces is the master of Time, and can travel its flow like traveling a river. The Goddess of the Sand can't manipulate time, but if she had the Triforce of Time she could rewrite history and make herself the most powerful and beloved Goddess, instead of the ones who created the Triforce/Tetraforce. Now knowing the history of Skyward Sword and the Master Sword, it's possible that the Goddess of Time could have given it to Hylia for safekeeping, and Hylia is the one who split it up and put it into the two relics.
So yeah, that was my theory. Either way, I'm totally in agreement! I feel like there's definitely a 4th Triforce piece, and Nintedo should seriously consider the idea, rathe than just try and debunk the theory.
6:36 I saw four pieces in Zelda's clothes.
What if the Forgotten Temple is a reference to a game that wasn't popular? Like Zelda 2?
Probably not, but it's got to be referencing *something*.
Remember Zelda's alibi in Wind Waker?
She's called Tetra.
She doesn't really represent wisdom, but willpower
"did nintendo really plan that far away"
Just reminding you that in ocarina of time the master sword's guard resembles a bird and the hylian shield has a red bird even though birds had no significance before skyward sword
The forgotten temple was likely uncovered during the excavations that would turn up the Divine Beasts.
Am I the only one that thinks the Forgotten Temple in Botw is the sealed temple from Skyward Sword?
That is what I thought too
I've always just assumed the 4th piece represented Hyrule itself. I mean if you look at it you have the triforce thats ontop of the shield, then you have a Loftwing flying up which can resemble the sacred realm where the Triforce is or Skyloft the place that Goddess Hylia sent the hylians after Demise attacked. Then you have the upside down piece that resembles the surface.
Alternatively you could take this same meaning and change the meaning of the upside down piece to resemble Demise as a homage of the battle that occured.
The editing in the beginning of how much you know about Breath of the Wild and other Zelda is pretty much how I felt.
Now I have Breath of the Wild so I know a lot more
The placement of the four shrines around the triangle-y temple in the great plateau is really suspicious.
Ok but are we not going to talk about how one of Hylia/Zelda's reincarnations is literally named Tetra
Ikr XD
The third "force" space is pointing downward like the piont of a sword taking a shape resembling the mastersword 🤔
The fourth piece is most likely representative of will. Wisdom, Courage, and Power can only be used through the will to use them. Without the will to use them, these pieces cannot be used. So this piece remains missing until a person with the will to use it appears.
honestly i really like the idea that the tetraforce exists in a symbolic way as opposed to a physical one. its a cooler way of looking at it than just another macguffin
*did someone mention skyward sword*
YuRp, Jazzy Cat
*did some carbon-based lifeform just say... skyward?*
Did someone said [Thunderfyry, Blessed blade of the windseeker]?
Hey Nintendo Black Crisis, I have a question I was hoping you could answer. So in Ocarina of time, we learn that there is a Gerudo KING born every hundred years. I recently discovered that this is not the case in breath of the wild. We learn from links memories and the champions ballad, that Urbosa was the chief 100 years ago. We can only assume that the next chief was Riju’s mother, who then passed away, leading to riju’s appointment of chief. But in that 100 year gap, no male gerudo was born, and every hundred years when a male gerudo is born, he is automatically appointed king. So my question is (and it will be hard to answer) why was there no gerudo king in that hundred years? Also, would love to do a colab video (I am starting a Nintendo channel, and you discuss the kind of topics I would love to talk about on my channel), although I would rather you answer the question first 😂
John Ballard OH MAH
Actually, there is .... his name is Villia.
Male were banished of the town after how the previous males, Ganondorf one and two were Danger for the Gerudo-Hylian alliance and peace, and in attempt to stop another Ganondorf to be born again.
THANK YOU!!!
I have been trying to figure this out forever
If you don’t mind me asking, where did you find this info 😂
Ty for putting your subscribe plug at the end. It made me subscribe.
Zeltic did a theory video about the forgotten temple being sky loft and he’s got some pretty convincing evidence (besides the completely inconsistent Zelda geography)
I don’t think it exists at all really. There being more than three deities doesn’t correlate to a fourth piece, it just means there’s more than three deities. I think the complete power of the triforce is just that, the complete power of the triforce. That being said, great video
If there were Triforce pieces for every minor deity in Zelda lore, we'd need at least twelve pieces!
Well Plato concept of virtue as stated in Protagoras is composed of 4 elements - Wisdom, Courage, Temperance and Justice. The first 3 are related to the 3 parts of the soul as stated in Republic- logical, spirited and appetitive and the fourth is achieved by having the other 3 in their right places. I believe the power part of the triforce relates to Temperance as the tyrant is a person without temperance that does anything to achieve power. So there is some truth to the tetraforce teory.
Plato, like most of the ancient Greek philosophers, was later proven wrong about basically everything he ever said...
Ian Comtois there is no such thing as wrong in philosophy, there is only diferent points of view and and well or ill founded arguments
The editing of these videos is top notch
hey, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your videos and that I probably watched every single one in the last few months haha
anyway, I wanted to point out that i watched another video abt the forgottrn temple (maybe the one from Zeltik but idk anymore) where for example architectual similarities between the sealed temple from skyward sword and the forgotten temple were shown. I dunno if you maybe saw it or not but since you didnt talk abt it I thought imma tell you :)
i hope to see more videos soon, i think you are doing great and have a nice day :)
So this is basically the flat earth theory of legend of Zelda
No that would be the fused shadow and majoras mask being the same artifact.
I appreciate that you say Hylian correctly now.
I'm not alone, mrgodliak
But then he says AK-kala. /cringe
That is actually really really cool. I love your take on it.
You know, (despite this being over a year old) I would like to think the "fourth piece is the manifestation of the Godess Hylia's (aka the full Triforce's) power. Neither of the individual triforces power are gold, but Hylia's power and the physical forms of the triforces are. So in a sense, yes, the fourth one is the balance of all three. We don't see anyone obtain the triforces in BotW, but we do see Zelda having the Goddess' power. There's no "oh hey I have the Wisdom triforce" but just "I have the full power," so there aren't any individual users with the triforce. It's just the Goddess and her Champion.
Plus, look where you get 'The Tunic/Boots/Cap of the Wild.' It's in the Forgotten Temple. Now why would you put endgame gear that's supposedly this game's signature look for the reincarnated hero in the Forgotten Temple? Because it'll be cool? Oh I don't think so. I would like to propose this is the Hylia temple the people worshiped until it was forgotten in favor of the Deity Goddesses (henceforth the Springs).
Why I bring this up? Well, what if the people originally worshiped the Triforce as a whole until they decided (or certain events that caused them) to worship them as three different pieces? The only time we see the triforce power as a whole other than (BotW) is Skyward Sword and Minish Cap. So, Somewhere between the events of Minish Cap and Ocarina of TIme (we don't really count Four Swords rn), either the Triforce was figuratively 'divided' into three pieces, or the people had changed their beliefs to a supposed 'improved' ideology of the Triforce, thus possibly making the Forgotten Temple irrelevant, as it simply worships Hylia rather than Din, Nayru, and Farore.
Now there is the possibility that the kingdom reverted back into the 'Hylia' belief in BotW, but by that time they would have no idea of the Forgotten Temple as we can obviously tell no one even went there. Not even a cutscene or reference in any of the Story. Not even the Champions Ballad either. Is it possible that someone may have discovered it? Maybe, but right now let's assume that it is still unknown to the people.
Now with the Guardians inside the temple, I with stuff pointed out, I would kinda like to assume that the battle 10,000 years ago was, what, maaaaaaaaybe after Skyward Sword and before Minish Cap? Other than that, I really can't explain much about how or why the Guardians are there.
So yeah that's my hour-long thinking of scrambled thoughts a Zelda Crackpot Theory
If there is a " fourth piece " its Time
We have Goddess of Power - Din , Goddess of Wisdom- Nauru & Goddess of courage - Farore
Making the 3 piece around the " Guardian " at the center Goddess of Time - Hylia
I believe the game is a masterpiece.
Most people don't understand that masterpieces aren't perfect, but they show elegance through their imperfections.
I'm think that the fourth triangle could represent the balance of the three forces. It could also represent focusing the three into a single force. This could also explain why Hylia is often portrayed in a more important way, seeing as she would represent the most powerful iteration of the Triforce.
In the secret end in botw, if you look at zelda's clothes, you Will see a triforce, but in it middle of it there's an inverted triangle representing the tetraforce tetraforce
Palutena is the 4th goddess.
An_Annoying_Cat Triforce of Angel Land
Me watching the intro
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Agree
I like to think that the fourth piece of the tri(tetra)force is the Master Sword, or at least inside of it.
My reasoning? Each piece was made by each goddess; Courage made by Farore, Wisdom made by Nayru, Power made by Din.
Hylia made the master sword.
And not just that, in oot, the pedastal you pull the master sword from has a triforce insignia, and the Master Sword is directly in the middle.
You are the one youtuber I consistently like and try to comment on. Keep it up bud.
Thanks!
6:38 see Zelda's necklace, it has a teraforce on it
How can it be a Tetraforce if they never even confirm that there's a Triforce? Besides, all the marks on that necklace are black, and the Triforce is supposed to be the "Golden Power". When talking about the Triforce, black triangles generally symbolize missing or destroyed pieces. And if she doesn't have any of the original three, we can't say anything about the status of the middle...so she defaults to not having anything there.
The triforce on her belt could just be a design thing. I mean look at the triforce on her attire. The blue triangles are all of the four triangles with an inverted triange outline splitting the triangles apart. Infact most of the triforces encircled with a, well circle has the triangle a single color and an inverted triangle outline splitting the triangle to make it look like the triforce.
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2:36 excellent choice of music moldorm battle
Throwing in a little nod to the Tetraforce I found in BotW. Inside Hyrule Castle, you can find a Triforce symbol with the three Goddess symbols in the Triforce pieces... But the Hylian Royal Family symbol in the center. Goddess Hylia confirmed to represent the fourth piece?
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Legit, I saw that and was like, “holy crap” 😂
in the thirteenth memory in botw Zelda has a necklace with FOUR TRIFORCE PIECES ON IT
At 6:35 look at Zelda’s belt thing. It has a extra piece of the reinforce on the middle, where the tetraforce would go!!
Oh my gosh good eye! It is specifically triangle-shaped...that's a really significant design choice since they've NEVER added a separate triangle in the middle like that. I already loved the Tetraforce theory after seeing the fourth piece in the Monk's hands in the Owa Dam Shrine--it's crazy they added the fourth piece here, too!
When looking at the fourth piece on the oot shield it looks like the bird left it behind
So let's assume it is a loftwing who carried the triforce up to skyloft but didn't have enough power to lift up the fourth piece which maybe is the piece which keeps the fates of the characters (Ganon, Zelda and Link) deeply intertwined until it gets found somehow? Maybe it represents time?