>clicks on video >watches mayyybe 10 minutes of it >comments a paragraph about how rigged it is >leaves Wonder why I put all the discussion about that halfway through :)
10:24 You assume that all players are actually players ... but what if some of them are bots? That changes whole perspective ... You can make 1 player really happy, while not making countless of players miserable ...
Wargaming is the textbook example of: When something isnt broken, fix it until it is. And do your best to ignore real issues. And sacrifice all your long-time fans on the altar of greed-fueled powercreep.
I don't fully understand people who prioritize fast queue times over proper matchmaking. Isn't the quality of the game you play what is the most important? Who cares that the game find a match quickly if that match is terrible? It reminds me of that joke: "A: I am very fast at math. B: Really? What's 35x44? A: 139 B: That's not even close. A: But it was fast!"
@@bostycraiova "hur dur I can't wait longer then 2 seconds for the game to find a match that'll likely end in 2 minutes. I'm such an impacent person" lol
Amazing You had the strength to make this long video. Great content that WG will ignore, as they do about everything players have issues with. Part from crew 2.0, witch the will sneak in eventually. Thanks man, great stuff! Now to the next video.
The gold ammo thing was progressed so far that at higher tiers the tanks are balanced around enemies firing gold at them. Standard ammo is no longer the correct term, because the new standard is premium ammo and if you stubbornly refuse to use it you will put yourself at a huge disadvantage in most tanks. It is not a problem for long time players like me with premium accounts and a load of premium tanks for credit farming, but it is just another layer of hindrance thrown at new players in this so-called free to play game.
@@Electromagneticplutonium can you blame them tho? They see replays or unicums play them and are like "wow that tank looks super fun I wanna play it too".
@@shadowzone2588 same can be said for war thunder. You'll see someone play like, 11.0 or 9.7 and say "wow that looks awesome i wanna play that!" then they buy the TURMS-T and INSTANTLY EXPLODE.
@@torifin755 it's even worse when youtubers do reviews on these tanks and say "this x tank is a must have for new players cus its fun" and then they finally get it and get absolutely destroyed while playing it.
i dont think changing matchmaker would make any impact on gun marks since it averages out tanks performance of all players who played with it, if there less hitpoints to farm most likely than not requirements would drop and it would take the same amount of skill to mark it anyways. And ofc people who play t10 dont mind -2 +2 since t10 gets only -2 mm. pretty sure the only realistic change is to match tank play styles( like sniping, spoting, tanking) on both teams and make that both teams have the same amount of equal tier meds heavies and tds. map rotation needs work i think, especialy after last update
The "New Tanks" promo MM does exist and work, just pay attention each time you play the 1st battle on a tank, pretty much 100% chance to be on top tier, but the effect lasts for like 3 battles, then you start seeing +2 matches just like anyone else. And obviously if you're in a platoon the effect doesn't work too (can't give your mates better mm ;d)
Years ago, you used to seem to get a 'honeymoon' period of about first 6 games of good/winning games, then back to normal. Now my new tanks (whether Tech Tree or Premium or Bond, get put in lowest tier, & lose most of the early games. Lowest win rate got down to 13%, majority are 30-40%ish. It's as if WG say 'we have your money/credits/xp/bonds, so we'll make the tank seem as bad as possible, so you think you've made a mistake, sell it, & buy another - so we get more money/credits/xp'.
@@edgypone4011 Yes, you could be right. My main point is that you used to get good results with all new tanks (or at least I did, it was something to look forward to), but now, of my last 2 bond & 2 premium tanks, all are at around 41%. This does go up over time (I'm not a great player, about 55% win rate), but to have all 4 new tanks have losing streaks at same time? Yes, a possibility, but should it not be varied? This goes back to when I first got my E25, that went down to 19%, the lowest win rate I'd ever had on a tank until that time, & I thought the 'policy' had changed.
@@eric-wb7gj yeah true, but with the bond stuff I think it's also just the environment they live in if you get me, before you used to see whole different line up of tanks than today, so I guess there's that. Higher tier tanks are doomed from the start, that I can agree with
27:40 3 MOE requirements are determined by what other players achieve. After changing MM to +/-1 it would smooth out to a new target value quickly. Just don't 3 mark in the transition period, period. 29:40 yes, first battle in a tank will always be top tier. Probably a nice gift to people who have to play stock tanks, which is quite ridiculous considering how many battles does it take to unstock a tier 8 or tier 9 (hint: more than one). Just make the stock grind less painful, so no vehicle would be just an exp piniata with 1-2 lower tier gun. Regarding special matchmaking for wheeled lights: it's the most stupid solution to the most stupid problem WG has ever invented. There were a lot of negative emotions towards wheeled vehicles before they were introduced and of course they failed to make them even remotely balanced. The simplest solution would be tuning their stats to be comparable to other lights, but EBR 75 and WG and their stupid policy about not nerfing premium tanks. Just keep the special matchmaking for EBR 75 and tune other wheeled tanks to be matchable against regular lights. Oh, and add same policy for ELC EVEN 90. That thing deserves it. @CVS problem: just nerf CVS. And while at it - nerf food to 5% Random thought: +/- 2 matchmaking wasn't as bad until few years ago, when WG started adding bullshit premium tanks (like user in 51:50 mentioned). When limited MM premium tanks were still being introduced they were not only even comparable to tech tree tanks, they were slightly weaker. Now try to compare any tier 8 tech tree vehicle to Skoda T56 or BZ-176. It's WGs greed that's pushing us into the discussion at all. I started having problems with spread of the MM mostly after the 357 patch, both due to what 48:44 player noticed (you are more 7/3 more likely to become the -2 than +2) and due to amount of bullshit tanks being introduced. My solution would be: limit the MM to +/-1 for first 30 seconds you are in the queue. If that's not possible, player is allowed to be thrown in a +/- 2 battle. I am sure that in prime time this won't be happening too often and during night time it would ensure reasonable MM time. This would affect people fighting for MOE but if someone is sweaty enough to do grind MOE he can choose to play out of prime time.
I have always hated the new tank grace period. It is the WORST time for a tank to be top tier. Since a team only gets three top tier tanks, having one of them be stock handicaps that team's capability. And, if you load in as one of those three tanks, there's a lot of pressure to carry the team. You might as well make one team 3/5/7 and the other team 2/5/8 the way most tanks are stock. Plus everybody's shooting gold, er, "standard" ammunition at you...
@@Fishrokk You're right, I didn't even think about the consequence the grace period brings to the team in 3/5/7 MM. Balancing around someone having their first battle is somewhat impossible - premium tanks have the grace period too, tanks unstocked with free exp have it too. So again - the best option is to remove it altogether and just make stock grinds not as painful. For example, E 50 carries over a 8,8 cm gun from Panther II which is not only not bad, it's actually somewhat competitive as a gun choice against the top gun, trading alpha damage for DPM. This makes the stock grind not painfully hard, as the tank doesn't feel a tier lower (since the 8,8 cm gun has way more DPM than it has in a Panther II). Similarly, stock gun of Tiger II is not bad either, I did my top damage in this tank using that gun. Adjusting the carried over guns DPM to a higher tier seems to be a good way to make the gun still relevant. BTW - before 3/5/7 MM was introduced it could be even worse than 3/5/7 for the stock tank on top. I remember the games sometimes were ridiculous. You could be the ONLY top tier in your team, imagine driving a stock T69 as the only top tier against a Borrasque. Or stock Caernarvon against a BZ-176. I still have a screenshot of all tier 8 MM with one team getting an IS-7. The other team did not get even a tier 9, just tier 8s. It's easy to shit on 3/5/7 as a bad extreme of current MM, but it used to fart out things making 3/5/7 look like a dream MM from time to time.
I've always said Tier 7 is the Redheaded Stepchild in the Game, it's the Forgotten Tier... It see's STOCK TIER 10 TANKS, because afterall, THAT is all a Tier 9 Tank is, a Stock Tier 10... And they get Bottom Tiered ALOT, so, this Result doesn't Surprise me in the Least that it's the Least Popular Tier to Play.... Tier 6's are Facing Tier 8's and those are, as you said, Built around Surviving against Tier 10's these days... ALOT of this is WG Dumbing Down the Game for Lazy Players at the Expense OF the Game... So. Again, I'm not the Least Bit Surprised that Tier 6 is the Next Roughest Tier to Play.... Ah yes, the Tank Missions, WG's way to make the Team no longer the Reason to Play, but the Free Handout at the End of the Mission... This makes for a LOT of Selfish Play and People wanting to be Hero's on Games that they haven't the Skills to BE the Hero In... I've been here since 2014, so I've seen the Gamer Change ALOT since then, and alot of it Starts with the Missions and Chisler GFY and 252U Defender Introductions, though those have been since Rebalanced by the Newer Premium Tanks and Tank Lines that've come Since.... So I can see Many Different reasons that the Game is Going Down the Tubes, the MM just doesn't Help Matters One Bit.... Also, every Special Mode is either Tier 8 or Tier 10, so Why can't WG give the Tier 7 and 9 Tanks a Mode of their Own so they can have a Break from being Pounded On Constantly... I could also see WG doing a MM Breakdown into Historical Tanks and Experimental Tanks, having an Option in the Settings to Pick Playing only Vs Historical Tanks would give most Tech Tree Tanks, especially in the Lower Tiers, a Break... This would Eliminate alotta Premium tanks from the MM for those Tanks, but the Experimental Setting would Open up the Full Array of Tanks in the Game, or juts let the Paper Tanks go against Each Other... 4005's would still be In the Historical MM, because they actually Built 2 of them, but the Deathstar would be Paper Only as the Best I think it ever Got was a wooden Mockup, the Same would Apply to Other Tanks in the Same Situations... Just a Few Other Thoughts... lol
Pros of +1/-1 MM: Tier 4s stop getting beat up by Tier 6s, Tier 6s stop getting one shot by Tier 8s Tier 7s stop getting steamrolled by Tier 9s Tier 8s stop getting steamrolled by 279e/Chieftain enjoyers Higher quality matches where each tank has more potential to do well Less time spent raging at getting your face kicked in by tank you can't even fight in any scenario Possibility of longer battles due to the power imbalance being nonexistent at certain tiers Cons of +1/-1: Possibly longer queue times Pros of +2/-2 MM: Makes WarGaming more money Cons of +2/-2 MM: LITERALLY EVERYTHING
remove artillery, perma ban artillery players, add permanent pve mode so us normal people dont have to deal with the toxic pvp "dont cap kill all" gold spamming tryhard that ruin this game with their bounty loadout and 7 skill crew that they keep transferring to each tank and overpowered pay to win premium tanks.
@@soldier22881 Agree with you on the first part... BUT! Banning players for playing a class is too extreme and would definitely make player retention drop massively. Big no no there A permanent or semi-permanent PvE mode would be cool. but if you don't like playing a PvP Tank game why the hell are you even here?... World of Tanks is a Player vs Player Tank Battle simulator... if you didn't know that when you signed up uhh... try reading comprehension classes. Gold spamming isn't really a thing anymore, it's just a separate set of ammunition that you still have to pay for, you just pay more per shot than the regular stuff, it just eases the penetration against vehicles that are tough to pen. It's an advantage the game literally gives everyone the ability to use, so long as you have the credits to pay for it. Bounty Loadouts are are literally available to EVERYONE. you get like 3 pieces of your choice during every battlepass plus extras you can buy for BP Tokens. Besides the pieces being a few %s under Bond Equip I don't see the issue here, since practically everyone who plays the game semi-regularly will at least have 3+ pieces of Bounty Equipment by now, seeing as we have had ... how many Battlepasses now? Have you tried getting a 7 skill crew to beat other 7 skill crews... takes years to foster a crew that good. Maybe try a different game if you're so unhappy with a PvP game
No, infact alot of players would return now that justice has been served on the toxic artillery players. Most pvp and pve games have a pve or pvp mode as alternative are both successful and thriving. league a pvp game has PVE. Warframe a pve game has PVP. Warface a pvp game has pve and the game is still strong. ZMR a pvp game also has pve another popular game, counter strike also a pvp game with pve. Tons of f2p games that are pvp but also have a pvp mode. Gold spamming is a thing and its prevalent in every tier, the fact you said that means you dont play the game anymore or dont know what youre talking about. Its pay to win because only veterans that play long time and premium pay to win players can afford to spam it. Although they changed it from gold to credits it is still pay to win. Because new players will not be able to afford it. Bounty can only be gained from battle pass, which requires a ton of grind a long time, thus pay to win because vets and premium players already have them. And paying money gives you bounty from battle pass on top of other pay to win items. Tokens take forever to grind. You can pay money for free xp to spend on crews, on top of the pay to win battle pass upgrade that gives you free crew booklets to spend on crews. They way you describe issues proves you are a pay to win player that spends money on game and receives preferential treatment because you pay to win. the free to play players stand no chance in this pay to win game. Funny thing world of tanks would be ultra successfull if they went pve first to drive away the toxic pay to win pvp crowd@@K_LeShaeya
@@soldier22881 you are... actually an idiot lmfao First off. Artillery is toxic, the players playing artillery are not. Chieftains and 279es are toxic, the people who play them likely aren't. Secondly, "Gold Spamming" isn't a thing anymore, it's called "Premium Ammunition, and it's available for credits and literally anyone, new or old can afford to fire it. As long as you deal damage you make more money than the shot you fired (at least until you hit high tiers like IX-X, then you need to do more damage with your shots to generate the credits spent, but you're not really supposed to make money at tier 10) Thirdly, I do play this game regularly, pretty much daily, and I can get 3-6 battlepass stages done in 3-4 hours of play time, and I have actual other things to do during my days so it's not like it saps time from other duties. While yes the Battlepass may require you to buy into the premium pass to get the bounty equip, you can literally buy pieces of bounty equipment for 3 tokens. tokens which are spread out but quite easy to get if you do a minimum of 3 stages per day. Which is easy if you just log in and do the daily 4 missions (they give out roughly the BP Points to get 2 stages done, the third stage of points comes from you just playing your tanks and getting high on exp. I have not ever used convertible free exp to train a crew ... ever... and I've been playing this game for near on 7 years now. Crew books get dropped from every major event, battlepass, daily mission, heck you can outright buy them for 2 million silver, and come Update 1.22.2 you'll be able to purchase even more new books. The way I describe issues is that of a sane, reasonable person, with boatloads of personal experience with this game. BECAUSE i HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT FOR NEAR ON 7 YEARS. Granted I have spent money on this game, I have several of my favorite premiums in my garage, I have been getting premium time from events and what little spending money I do have I sometimes buy myself premium time, because it's the best value. I don't get special treatment from this game at all, I just know what I am talking about instead of slinging around "pay to win this" and "pay to win that" like you're doing. World of Tanks is already ultra-successful because it caters to the crowd that like the PvP battle simulator, and allows for competitiveness in an environment that allows for it. We've had PvE modes pop up here and there and while they were a nice respite from WoT usual PvP they were just fun activities. Mirny-13 for instance starts in a few hours... it's a really fun PvE experience, a break form PvP for a week or two gives you a nice refresher before heading back out on the battlefield. To be honest, your comments read like someone who has quit the game and only spends there days throwing around complaints and "pay to win" arguments. and when people challenge you with facts, you try to pin them with your projections.
@soldier22881 dude. I need you to stop. Every time you try to form a coherent sentence, I can feel my braincells trying to off themselves. If you think that the battles you are in are rigged and that you keep losing, there is one constant in those battles. You my guy. Stop complaining.
One thing to note about one of the long form answers near the end - of COURSE there will be more bottom tier matches than top tier ones. It's 3/5/7 MM, not 5/5/5, which I believe is a HUGE factor to why the matchmaking feels so ass.
Tbh, it could actually be a tier 10 quite easily, just a small HP buff and change nothing else, I am still regularly finishing top on damage even in tier 10 games with mine, it should never ve facing tier 6 and 7s.
29:35 this does exist, when you buy a new tank, your first game in it is guaranteed to be not bottom tier at the very least. i am not 100% sure about the reasoning but my guess is so that your first game is not insufferable in your stock tank, although i would agree that it is not an argument for +2/-2 matchmaking.
Just something to consider relating to tank diversity. There will be a smaller pool of available tanks by reducing tier spread but less powerful or meta tanks will become more viable and reappear in battles again slightly correcting the amount of diversity.
One thing you didn't go over is the player rating. A lot of the time especially in those 15-0 games you'll find that MM has put all the lower rating players on that losing side. You really should look at adding up both teams player ratings to see just how balanced the teams really are. Like what good is having 1to1 tanks if the players in the top tier tanks are not even in rating?. For me MM gives me a LOT of these unbalanced player matches that result in a loss with anywhere from 8k-15k HP left on the winning team. Also they should not let stock tanks or mostly stock tanks get +2 -2 MM. Next time you get a really bad loss try adding up all the player ratings on both sides to see just how balanced that game really was. Also look at what tanks the higher ranking players got compared to what you got, you'll find it's NOT fair or balanced at all.
15-0 games will still happen as often as they do now, even if the average player skill rating is perfectly identical on each team. There's really no way to balance countless random circumstances, and the same battle could end either 5-5 in a draw, or 15-0 in a win/loss. I can't say the player imbalance doesn't matter, but having matchmaker account for it wouldn't really change as much as we'd hope it would (in the grand scale of things).
@@lncoming This is why most games have a ranked mode that puts players of equal rank against each other. But I get it, MM has to match games quickly so people get into games faster. The thing is when MM does this it sorts all the good MM first, then what's left is usually the 15-0 games. I don't mind getting those games ...but when it's game after game after game after game, it's really fucking aggravating. I mean "Random Battle" should tell you everything you need to know about the MM right? All I'm asking is that it's more fair and consistent without the constant losses in a row.
Problem with +2 mm being converted to +1 mm is like opening a pandora's box as many tanks (mosty old "not op" premiums and some tech tree tanks) were balanced around having better MM. In fact, many premium tank's "Selling point" was exactly that. You got worse tank than a tech tree one, but you had preferential mm (imho way better solution to monetize the game as premium tanks that are weaker than tech tree ones are way less harmfull towards game balance). Changing mm globally imho would also mean that something would have to be done with premium tanks that already have preferential mm. There aren't many of them, but there are some. Should tanks like tier 7 TD AT 15A be buffed (since all other tanks will have same +1 mm), so that AT 15A would perform significantly worse & would lose its unique feature (tech tree TD would be better at that point since it would also have mm+1 on top of having better stats) or maybe it should also have mm reduced to +0 (always on top) ? There are also tanks that already have +0 mm, so those should either also be buffed to compensate that, or maybe should even have mm-1, so that not only those would be always on top, but would be 100% guaranteed to meet 1 tier lower tanks (as again, tanks were designed with preferential mm in mind so those have worse stats that tech tree counterpart). I think that there is a better way. MM imho should be dependent on modules you have installed. Stock tank, so mm+0 or +1. Better modules (like gun) and you get mm+2 etc. This could be even used for premium tanks (both old & new ones) so that you would have best of both worlds. Of course, there should be some exceptions, like BZ 176 or Defender or generally tanks with very good armour, so those would not have the mm+0 or +1 feature.
When I look at my matchmaking (my wot ratging is 5600) I am in games with people that have rating from 2000 to 8000. And that results in shitshow in almost every game. DOTA2 has great way of making it work, put people of similar rank against each other. So + or - 1000.
I think the queue time is an argument that is not valid - at least for me. I will happily wait a couple of minutes for a good battle than a few seconds for a battle that I will not enjoy. I can check Emails or do a bunch of other stuff while waiting for a battle to load. I play WOWS where the queue time is longer and that has never been a problem for me. I stopped playing WOT for about a year last Nov because I was tired of not enjoying the tanks that I like to play because they are most always two-tier down and not enjoyable in those scenarios. Most of the tanks that I like to play are not particularly good and they don't tier up very well. I will probably drop the game again after the Christmas season. Meanwhile, I am only playing two tanks that have preferential matchmaking so they are never two tier down and one T10.
I think giving reward tanks, those which are considerably better than their tech tree counterparts (or at least SHOULD be, looking at you 116-F3) should all be made to have apex matchmaking like the Pz.B2. There is no reason whatsoever that this can't be done and no reason that tier 8 players should be forced to fight against 260,279,chief,907 etc. Also the point about MT-15 is bang on. I know it's bringing yet another complication into it but having the MM able to give players a match where it's literally impossible to complete a mission isn't exactly good.
it always cracks me up when i see a t8 in my jagdpanzer e 100 like, tier 8s have around 1300 hp unless they are a heavy with 1700 hp then i just casually mess their vehicle up so bad i start laughing at what tf was wg smoking when they thought it was a good idea to make t8s face me in a jagdpanzer lmao OR THE IS7 RAMMING BUILD
It's not just matchmaking. Wargaming had a good idea when they started the game, but otherwise it's just a terrible development studio. They are completely incompetent to develop this game further. Any other development studio would take a better approach. They're so focused on only developing something if it makes quick money that there's no long-term plan or idea for the game. The studio won't change the MM because, according to their logic, touching it doesn't make any money. The people making the decision simply don't care whether such changes could lead to long-term success. It's all about exploiting the community
i contacted a god damn EU amdinistration member, a french like me lol it helped the conversation, he basically without directly telling me that they wont do anything
I think that today MM is even trying to balance tanks based on "subclass", which was not the case few years ago, when one team got amx50b and t57 heavy while other got kran and superkong on westfield and on top of them one tank had grille and fv4005 while other e3 and obj268-5 plus T95 at tier 9. Now this still exists because platoons are balanced weirdly, but it's better and I think that progettos and bourrasques are matched against each other. But even tier 1 MM can be rough, Imagine playing TigerI vs BZ176 - you have about the same chance against E100.
I've had cases where ive had to fight vk 100.01s in a pudel and let me tell you its definitely not fun fighting a target that you can't pin reliably. edit: another thing they could do is put a matchmaking gap between tier 7 a 8. for example, make it so the tier 7 can't see tier 8 and tier 8 can see anything below it. that way they can just buff everything in tier 8 to survive tier 9 and 10 battles while some tier 7 tanks can get slight buffs and nerfs of there own like nerfing the t29s retardily strong turret and remove its vstab. I dont think this would mess up the match making since you can still have +1 -1 with the exception of 7 getting +0 -1 while 8 gets -0 +2.
About how +2/-2 effects matchmaking time... it does not I have played THOUSANDS of battles on the australian server, where +1/-1 was enabled for ALL tiers except for tier 8/9/10s, so my tier 6s would never meet tier 8s Matchmaking time was the same for all tiers, it depended on players, and +2mm didnt make getting games in tier 8 tanks easier at all
I gotta say the +/- 2 tier MM hurts and blesses tier 6 the most since if you're in a tier 6 (let's say an Easy 8, pretty decent medium all round but keep in mind this problem can also apply to other tier 6 vehicles as well with varying degree of pain) it can hold it's own at tier 6, and is pretty good at trading with tanks below it's tier (tier 4 tanks *can* fight back against this thing reasonably well). The problem is when tanks like these are matched up against tier 8's where all the premium bullshit vehicles are swarming the match maker, just what exactly is an Easy 8 or a Churchill 7 supposed to do against a BZ 176 or a Renegade? Some people are probably gonna say "oh just flank it", good fucking luck trying to do that given the types of maps you get in WoT and how quickly bad/bold moves are punished. Also from my experience, it feels like once you play 10-20 matches in a tier 6 the matchmaker just stops being friendly and throws you into constant downtiers, so I don't really get how an average player who is playing for free, or mostly for free, with tech tree vehicles are supposed to get past tier 6 or have fun at tier 6. It also doesn't help that the skill level of players around tier 6 is extremely varied so even if a tier 6 vehicle has the ability to fight back against tier 8's, the match might have gone horrendously wrong before it can be salvaged. Personally, I feel like tiers below/above tier 6 aren't as affected as much by the +/- 2 tier MM but with how massive the premium/P2W tech tree and the power creep has gotten, tier 6 really needs some sort of fix to keep them away from the tier 8's.
turtle 1 has 230 effective armor on the front, why do people keep saying that it's impenetrable, just aim and shoot, pretty much any tier VIII with gold has 100% chance of penning it ANYWHERE, unless it's above you, it's extremely easy to kill
That's the reason I really like WOTb, I never ever struggled to pen a tank with base ammo, and if I really wanted to turn my brain off and pen everywhere, I would just fire gold ammo at the cost of damage ! When I started to play wot, I would only do good on light tanks and arty because I am stuck at T6-T7 fighting T8 that I just cannot kill and the grind is extremely boring and slow. Wargaming needs to forbid most tanks from going against tanks two tiers higher, with some exeptions T8 holds their ground properly against T10, and should probably leave T7 against T6 instead of taking them in T7-8-9 games Most T4 horribly stuggle against T5 heavies. I never enjoyed any non TD T4 tank because I would constantly find T5 and I could only tickle against KV1s or T1 heavies. Here are my changes : -Make T1 and T2 as strong as current T3, buff T3 and T4 to close the gap between them and T5 (They did something like that in blitz when they removed T1 tanks and replaced them with the old T2, weaker T3 took T2's place and same for T4 filling gaps. Led to a much more enjoyable low tier experience) -T1, T2, T3, T4 can go +2 -2 only between themselves -T4 (with high pen, or arty), T5, T6 can go +2 -2 only between themselves -T7 can only go +1 -1 but they shouldn't really struggle to find a match because they aren't played very much -T8, T9, T10 can go +2 -2 only between themselves Change to T8-T9-T10 matches : As T9 aren't played much, mm won't try to fulfill a T9 quota and instead put what's avaiable of T9 in a game with minority of T10 and majority of T8
To remove all problems. just put same tier vs same tier, no uptier, no downtier. And make tech tree tanks as good as premium tanks nowadays. Premiums are credit makers after all.
I will start with that i agree with all the points. BUT. I think that one aspect of WoT is missing here. This game is about look at techtree pick a t10 and grind for it. +/-2 mm can give you nice boost for grind but also can make you waste time. i can go with example of t7 in +2mm if that t7 is maxed it has in some cases chance to do something. But you can get as t7 to +2mm with stock tank. How are such games supposed to play out? You can as stock tank play with tier lower components like guns. Thus making that now +3mm. Which can be painfull for any new or casual player. i can go with games on equal tiers one side techtree tanks so some can be stock or not fully upgraded other side premium tanks. Then you can just hope those players make mistakes so that you can have some fun. Point i want to make is when it come to mm level of upgrades of tanks should be taken into consideration by mm. Before sending them to battle of one side winning without any sweat.
Does this game, PC WoT, still have +2/-2 MM? Console does and I’m finding it not fun when going up against tier VIII heavies with a tier VI one. Especially a slow lumbering super heavy that can be outmaneuvered by some of the tier VIII heavies as well as out damaged by them.
hey - slight necro comment to your video which i have been enjoying btw. Your point about why would the MM rig a game just to benefit one player.. unless you change your stance on this in the last half hour as I have only go 30 mins in at the moment.. I would counter this with.. I think its more if they do it they do it for 15 players not one. Which makes more sense. Purely annecdotal but it does feel like you can make a pretty solid prediction of which team will win or loose right off the bat before the game has even begun. Especially with the "new" Elite tags they put in now, you can see a glaring inbalance and bang your team has either won convincinly or been roflstomped as per predicted. Best games are when you have no one with 100's of elite points and you get a 5-0 victory for one team at the end.. or there abouts. Anyway. I will carry on and see what else you have to say. I also have a tin foil hat though here with me... if that helps ;D
CVS was the worst thing they added to this game with French wheelies a close second. There is no counter for it. Plus, no tanks that don't get Field Upgrades, should have to face ones that do. They always talk about "balance", but they actually have none.
Yet the VK 100.01P is swiss cheese once it sees same tiered tanks because of the turret being so weak, especially with all the gold spam now. Perfect example of old vs new tanks as well
+-2 or +-1 don't affect the moe, but +-1 makes low tier so much better, up to t6 I think. I am on asia server where mostly delivers +-1 matches. And que time on asia server is quick too, even though there are less players than eu server. Anyway I am quite curious why other servers don't use it. And gun mark is almost identical.😅
thats why me and all my clanmates quitted this game like 8 years ago and went to play war thunder insted, true war thudner isnt without its flaws but i have far more fun in WT then i ever had in WOT
Things like marks, bonus to exp and the advantage of being top tier once in a while are all worth sacrificing for a MM with a lower tier spread and high consideration for tank roles. Fairness is always better, and the tank diversity argument is just plain bullshit. Queue times remain the strongest counterpoint IMO, but it wouldn't need to be a theoretical discussion anymore if Wargaming just gave it to us for, let's say, a month or two. If it works everyone wins, if it doesn't then we go back to the old status quo and that's it. It's so tiring and frustrating that we still need to talk about it so many years later knowing that it probably won't be fixed until the servers shutdown for good.
Personally I think WG just nerfs or OPs tanks when they want on a daily basis.You can have great day grinding do the same the next day and have different results.
WoT Blitz has had +1 -1 Matcmaking for years, it works perfectly, there was a massive rebalance at first, they also changed gold ammo, so it costs about the same as standard, but has a different function, faster for less damage with APCR, no loss of pen with HEAT, but slower and gets absorbed, and dpes less damage, there are others as well, you find due to standard ammo normally doing the most damage, the best players are the ones that learn to aim at weakspots, gold spammers are basically getting 30% less dpm.
Blitz is a significantly less chokepointed game than PC/console wot clients are, which is something they actually do better there than anywhere else. I don't think I'll mention it in great detail in my series of videos about the maps, but it's interesting for sure. The reason PC could never do that is because the maps are designed for passive play, the vast majority of the time. An IS-3-II already cannot kill a Maus with gold frontally besides the lower plate, so it doing 30% less damage would increase that issue. Likewise the opposite is true, where tanks that have almost the same pen on standard and gold rounds, would have ridiculously OP standard rounds. This is fine for the player's economy of playing the tank, but tanks like the Obj 263 (270 AP, 300 APCR) would deal 715 damage per shot, which would two-shot a lot of tier 8s.
I always congratulate war gaming MM and RNG on their one sided games. I have had fully aimed shots at less then 100 meters miss and fully aimed shots on a weak spot do no damage or bounce. Then have a game pulling off 360 no scopes across the map for an ammo rack and bounce a jagaroo with the 4005s turret side
Yes. A decent number of good tanks in those that they got rid of for some reason. KV-13 still deserves a video but I've not gotten around to it (and my crew is still in the Obj 416).
why we even speculating with +1/-1, why not only same tier against each other and i believe if the MM take all tier 8 which are in battles +2,+1,-1,-2 and put them together in one battle there will be not big waiting time
You'll never find battles on smaller servers or low playercount hours. I don't remember the last time I had a match of all tier 7s. Besides that, doesn't sound too bad.
I don't understand the point of marking tanks being an argument for +2 -2 mm, because everyone else marking the tank will also deal with the same environment of matchmaking like getting top tiered where you can't farm as much or getting -2 where you can't do much which lowers the general requirements. If there was a +1 -1 mm the requirements would probably raise which again affects all players in the same way.
Hey, ASIA server player here. In ASIA 01 server (formally HK) its rare to get T6 match when you play a T8 tank and same goes for T9 you almost never see T7 tanks. I'm an above average player play over 30 battles a day and I cant remember the last time I got to play against T6 tanks when I'm playing in a T8 tank. Does the MM work differently for each server ??
This is something I was thinking about whilst making this video, as it would make sense if NA didn't have the matching roles system in place, just for faster queue times. While it seemed very true at first, the most staggeringly stacked screenshots also came from EU. Ultimately I couldn't be sure, so I didn't really mention it in the video. Also I heard Asia matchmaking got really bad when they tried to lower queue times, which is mildly funny until it remains that way longer than a couple days...
Not sure about MM on different server's but tier 6 against tier 8 MM on the NA server is very normal and is a lot of fun...if you're a tier 8, not so much as a tier 6. i.e. T34-85 vs BZ-176 🤣🤣
@@lncoming Yeah that whole queue lowering thing happened on HK sever was pretty bad players were getting 10v10 every time and gameplay changed so drastically because the maps were too big for 20 players 90% of the time team that yolo 1 side of the map won the game it was like playing clan wars and it became very hard complete campaign missions and even some daily missions that required you to damage certain number of individual enemy tanks. Btw in ASIA 1 server you will never get to play against T7 tanks when playing T9 tanks.
imo the biggest issue is t8 having op premium tanks that are easily more impactfull than t9 tanks in the hands of anyone with 2 braincells... edit: another big issue is stock tanks, first of all this mechanic should be removed its outdated and literally makes so many new players quit the game, most of my friends quit at t8 because they had their tier 7 gun and couldnt do shit. Its also horrible for mm since a tank that is counted as a certain tier is actually one tier lower...
On the current maps, definitely not. It also makes a lot of tanks entirely useless, due to the brawling format. I don't know what would happen to marks and aces. 7v7 isn't a great format for random queue battles either.
2011, Wot is dying. Random imbalance is not the case now, obviously stronger tanks are the problem, gold ammo dependent on significantly increased premium income is other significant issue.
Thanks, but I strongly feel one argument going for the match making as it is, at least from the WG perspective. Money. Create a game that is inherently unfair to an extent that does not make people quit immediately, give them some incentives, make them believe, buying premium would change their performance significantly. In case you think, there is no other way to earn money enough with a massive online game, think again, about Fortnite. You can buy skins there, but not helpful for your success. You cannot buy anything helpful with respect to that, as far as I know. I stopped playing WoT and probably will never touch a game of theirs again. I was tired of getting spat in the face by their constant chance to the disadvantage of the casual tomato like me. I would be happy to pay money for a balanced game, but surely not for getting bent over.
Lets be Honest, who wants to play Tier6 at the moment? You get thrown into Tier8 matches in 9/10 Games and then you have to face Tanks like Bourrasque, BZ or any other broken Premium that just annihilates Tier6 Tanks. If you get a +-1MM then Tier6 would at least be Playable again. Tier7 is also a very hard spot because of the Flatout really bad Performance Curve that separates Tier7 and 8. Just with the added factor of meeting also Tier9 tanks that are even stronger with their TierX Guns. Everything below Tier8 is just a Wreckfest and i guess that WG doesnt even care about that anymore.
The game gets balanced around tier 10. Unfortunately, large parts of tier 10 gameplay suck, so the game inherits those problems as well. Edit: That's why the maps are the way that they are, which is a good example.
Why +2/-2 MM exist?? Simple to mask shitty balancing done by WG. Best case example the OG obj. 268 which was nerfed to oblivion and objectively even if it has better penetration, more hp, mobility and accuracy than tier IX of the tree the obj 704 it still a worse tank because Obj 704 has 1 degree more of gun depression, somewhat more reliable armor, is somewhat better at sniping at longer ranges because of better shell velocity of APCR and HE shells and it is slightly smaller aka harder to aim at. Obj 268 is bush sniper while with obj 704 is so versatile that i can sometimes go brawl with tier X heavy tank which does not make any sense at all.
I also think a problem you missed is players using mods to see your team and the enmey teams ELO level. It not only leads to toxic play, but its down right cheating. While it may not happen that much it still happens. It's like your video where experienced players go into low tiers and seal club. Because 9/10 times when a player with these mods know your elo they will rush you or only target you because they know your not a skilled player. And yes you can hide your ELO in game, but most new players dont even know what ELO is. And I had a scummy friend that used the mod and he said if someone hides their ELO he will still 9/10 times go after them because most good players won't bother to hide their ELO. Like you said seal clubbing ruins the game and bullying new players or less experienced players just causes them to quit not want to get better. They just give up.
I wonder why WOT has zero new player retention and the playerbase is leaving in droves.. It couldn't be that new players in a T-34-85 can meet a veteran player in a VK 100 01 P... Or an O-I can meet an Iron Arnie... Literally the definition of rigging. Or maybe it is the 3 minute, 15-0 rigged matches where one team gets bad players and bad tanks and the other team gets veteran players and OP tanks. The top tier tanks get all the damage, XP and credits while the bottom tier tanks get zero xp, no damage and no credits while going into massive debt from firing premium rounds in vain, forcing them to buy gold in order to convert it to credits. The +2/-2 matchmaking system is objectively bad and horrible for the game in every universe and is one of the most hated parts of the game but WG does nothing about it and only makes it worse for a reason i can only surmise is malice. It is actually unreal how bad WOT is in all aspects, WG is intentionally killing their game and is exploiting and milking their playerbase as much as they can before the whole rotten structure comes collapsing down.
And WG is wondering why Frontline is something people like well its beacuse its tier 8 vs tier 8. Now that being said its not just that but credits but its still full on tier 8 tanks vs tier 8 tanks so its preety balanced. Not saying it doesnt have its op stuff well yes it does like bz176 and so on but well maps are bigger a lot of options to push and kill it. In normal games maps are designed as front assault mostlly corridored into 3 lines and 1 lines win the´n u can flank but in Frontline Crossfire is huge asspect of the game even if u dont push a flank down unlike in random maps. I said it WG make a Frontline type for tier 10 so u respawn and ofc u play more tanks u spend more credits and tell me people wont jump at it like its best shit there is. Tier 8 is good beacuse it is balanced kinda and u canhave fun regardless. For mentioning it I grinded both VK10001p VK4502A and T34-2 all in frontlines having fun. Most of XP grinded in frontline not all but most. so yeah. Now I wait for it to grind Bt12t as well. so yeah try to add frontline part for tier 9 and 10 as well and look if its sucess or not. Maybe it will be shit maybe it wont but I bet u would see more type5 heavys and so on and not having to deal with obj279E from the front but having crossfire makes it much better XP IMO.
im old player enough to remember when malinovka and himmels was tier 1 map, premium tanks where balanced. Then came the super pershing and type 59 the two very op and still op to this day. All because people didn't close their wallets to get artillery removed. sigh..... and then it got worse, more op premium vehicles, then they added frustrating and overpowered tier 10 derp tanks like fvb 183 and then replaced by an equally frustrating but H.E. penable 4005. its like wg hates fun and wants their game to fail. sigh....... oh then instead of rebalancing gold rounds, they simply made them cost credits, so basically pay to win players and long term players will be able to spam while new players are at a huge disadvantage.
match maker.. +1, 0, -1 for tech tree tanks only.. Premiums keep +2 -2 match maker.. Pref mm tanks get 0, -1, 279e and reward tanks only can see same tier.. Arty: remove stun, give ap shells base damage of 700+ instead of 300 lol, boost HE pen by double, arty gets faster reload and more accuate.. or revert the nerfs of arty back to 7.0 days.. Revert HE mechanics on tanks that dont have HESH.. keep new mechanics onto HESH shells.. wg should give the most shit tier 8 tank in the lootboxes to everyone for free.. as everyones christmas gift..
Minotauro has 130 HE pen, I would not like to be fighting 260 HE pen minotauros. This, of course, is ignoring tanks with hesh (like cent 7/1 getting 420 HE pen) Edit: Just read the "Arty" before it, my bad. I do plan on making a video on SPGs at some point, just because it is a large point of contention. The other reason is because most people aren't willing to make a neutral video about them, as they strongly lean one way or the other. I am.
OP Turret armor? Dont be a moron and dont Fight him in the position he is Holding with hull down, just give up, lure them further back and abandon their position, you dont have to Fight on the "important spots" on the map, just let them "win" the hull down location by default , and that will force em out of the hulldown positions. i see too often morons fighting enemy on hull down position or sidescraping position, you know how u deal with that? Dont fight in a position where they can do that
Ok your chart about how many players like or dislike MM how many players were surveyed and how many are in top tier clans because with war gaming on all of their platforms money talks
@@lncoming Yes it does you slow one.. WG posted how the MM works 13 years ago.. It's never changed. Other then they allowed XVM in the game. So go read more. It's simply based on Tier, Type, HP, and Weight..If it can't meet that. It will either time out or one team gets less or more HP..
@@lncoming It's never changed.. Read WG post..As they know you would wait forever to get in a game. If they changed it. So please no Special Pleading..As you people seem dense on how things work and why. Hell most of the damn "Analysis" are done with such a small sample rate. It's not even funny. You need at least 1500 minimum. Why WG sticks with good old fashion Casino odds. They know they have a 1.06% edge in ever bet. Some even more..As it only takes a small change to affect the outcome. Not some massive % change. Why players with a high WR are rated higher. They live till the end. As win or lose. They keep their WR up. They also know which tanks to play and Platoon. To get a better MM. Hell they even time in. to see if they can get 2 platoons in the same MM. On the same side.. And you would never notice it. Unless you are the one counting the winnings to payouts..
@@WizzRacing I'm not dense enough to pretend this video doesn't exist on the official WG page. th-cam.com/video/Ql4tDHfQeRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_2WS4gseVxSDkJ-C This simply isn't up for debate. Tier 6/7 heavies don't fight tier 10s anymore. Neither do tier 4/5 light tanks.
The matches are rigged though, and they can get away with it with something called "plausible deniability" as well as sunk cost fallacy. they make the pay to win players that have bought premium time or wot plus win more games and better rng/mm, they have all the reason to do this system as its no secret they catter to the p2w crowd and always have.
tomato.gg/stats/NA/POLIZEI110=1002065433 - tomato.gg/stats/NA/Jimmyvp%3D1019877871 By that logic, these people have better RNG and matchmaking than either of us, and yet they still don't seem to do too well on average. I didn't go out looking for them either, I picked two random names from my blacklist in-game. There is zero incentive to rig matches for their highest buyers. You may say "oh it's not all the time, just some games." I've played 43,000 games on my account, and I can assure you I get NO such treatment. The phrase "If you leave a monkey at a typewriter long enough, it will write War & Peace" applies quite heavily to world of tanks. If you sit someone at the back of the map enough times, the stars will at some point align, and allow literally anyone to have a good game. This is how people get Kolobanov medals while AFK in an assault match. Nothing was rigged for that to happen, it just happens. I don't set a Russian medium tank on fire because I spend $250 on two Fort Knox bundles before I clicked "Battle!" The only rigging of any kind is done by the players, and thinking the devs have any incentive to do it is just flat-out wrong. Please stop watching Claus. P.S. The point of showing tomato,gg profiles is not to stat shame these individuals, but instead show that, despite them buying and playing only tier 8 premiums, they are still average players.
I'm glad you showed me these 2 individuals. If you look at the first one "Polizei" his survival rate and other stats are very low, which means in his games he plays incredibly aggressive and Yolo's into the enemy team, but the moment he plays more passive like in his tiger1 or vk36 his score improves dramatically thus he gets matches/rng rigged in his favor but because he throws away his tanks and most likely most of those type59 the op tank he gets top tier and throws away his top tier thus leaving his team down a very powerful pay to win tank, his stats reflect those actions. As for the second player "jimmy" is a more interesting case although his survival rate is decent it seems he plays very passively, which suggests this player is playing the game casually and picks bad spots for his tanks to be in, the fact that he has low stats but high survival rate means that although he doesn't contribute much in the match, his team carries him thanks to that premium match making, if he tried he would have easily been at 50% winrate since his hit ratio is very good (thanks to premium) How do you know there is no incentive when there are tanks like bz176? or kv 2 r which strangely gets better rng than the already op tech tree kv2? looking at the premium tanks released, borrasque, skoda t56, elc 90, 13 57, bz176, obj 703 2, su 2 122, super pershing, type 59, what do they have in common? very strong stats, very good guns and armor or mobility and camo better than tech tree counter parts which goes against their previous precedent of having premiums be slightly weaker than tech tree but making credits as compensation. They have every reason to cater to the pay to win by giving paying customers better rng and mm. And they have plausible deniability because they can claim its "random". When you play this game and you win or lose one sided match check the teams tanks, how many premiums do they have? do they have wot plus? Ever notice how the curb stomp battles one team gets better rng where the other gets low rolls and misses? They made the system, and have every reason to rig it, just like a casino the house wins, in this case the more premium tanks and more money spent team will win against the team that doesnt spend money on game. Those who pay have better time and "fun" because of better rng and mm thus more profit and spending on game, not to mention they also have gambling in form of lootboxes, althought the game itself is also gambling since so much success depends on rng. Until they reveal how their mm and rng works they cannot be disproven nor denied. But given the overpowered premiums, and people complaining about bad match making i think its obvious the devs are rigging the game, after all its pay to win why wouldnt they? they got away with releasing the bz176 @@lncoming
@@soldier22881 They genuinely do not have any incentive to do anything you just said. The Type 59 is not OP, and hasn't been since it got nerfed a decade ago. Rigging a match for like 3/30 people because they paid more is simply not a thing. There's no such thing as premium matchmaking. People don't have higher hit ratios in tanks because of their increased RNG. I have yet to see a single example for the game rigging a match for someone to ensure they have a good game. In 11 years of playing, nobody has been able to show me one. That's not because it's "plausible deniability," it's because it doesn't exist. As for WoT+, TS-54 drivers tend to do more questionable things than most other tanks I see on the battlefield, so there goes that theory. Also, claiming players still have better RNG but just "throw it away" is the hardest confirmation bias I have ever seen. This idea relies on the fact of them playing better = them doing better, but somehow that's entirely because the game LET them get good enough RNG, vs a rigged team, to have said good game? Additionally, even if there was a single ounce of incentive to boost their whales, don't you think the queue times would be significantly longer, in an attempt to perfectly match said person into their own game (which is a hilarious sentence for me to write out). It's just not a thing, and anything WG can claim as "plausible deniability" gets hit with some pretty strong confirmation bias by some people in the playerbase.
True the type 59 was nerfed along with the super pershing but they got re buffed and are back to their full strength a few patches later, infact they are back to being op since wg buffed them some more not long ago. And its not 3/30 people you do realize most of the player base buys premium and wot plus right? And how can you prove those with pay to win tanks and premium dont have higher hit rates? explain then how teams will often get a bunch of op premiums on one side yet none on the other, explain how mm puts low skilled players with less battles and winrates up against higher winrates and higher skilled players? And from my experience wot plus ts 54 drivers annihilate other teams, because ts 54 has insane dpm thanks to its fast reload and double barrel. Youve only shown me 2 players, there are probably a few more, but the common theme is premium tanks and wot plus win more and have better win ratio than free to play accounts. what evidence do you have that premium does not do that? They already have a premium matchmaking, and whichever team has most premiums or spends most money wins, sometimes premium players will face others and again whoever pays most will win. Thats how they make it seem like there is no favoritism for the pay to win. So you do not deny that there are over powered tanks then? Most of the player base has figured out the scam already. I understand why you would be a bit hesitant about this, looking at your stats you seem to have good mm and own premiums, are we sure we are not the only ones being biased here? I do not pay a single cent yet my experience along with others i know that dont pay are far different from yours, its like where playing different games. @@lncoming
@@soldier22881 That feeling when me improving over 11 years gets trumped by an evidence-less set of theories. Any of my evidence gets disproven by what you feel, and your lack of evidence can be easily disproven, but then you'll say its "plausible deniability." Any counter argument I have made is simply responded to with "but they have premium time so it's rigged" or similar. This is like people using the Bible to justify doing dumb stuff. It's not some big conspiracy about how money = results despite how hard some people may think. What you've not considered is how much wargaming has to lose if they make a system like that. What you think is the case, is that they've made a "clearly rigged" system that is so undetectable that there isn't any evidence of it whatsoever? Just no. No. What you're willing to put up against logical reasoning shows why it doesn't exist, but I will never convince you, because you refuse to be convinced. End of story. Edit: since you asked. How does matchmaking put lower skilled opponents vs higher skilled ones? BECAUSE IT'S RANDOM
>clicks on video
>watches mayyybe 10 minutes of it
>comments a paragraph about how rigged it is
>leaves
Wonder why I put all the discussion about that halfway through :)
10:24 You assume that all players are actually players ... but what if some of them are bots?
That changes whole perspective ...
You can make 1 player really happy, while not making countless of players miserable ...
chems made a good video about how rigged wot is ;)
This would have gotten much better traction as a 12-20 minute video. Just sayin.
Wargaming is the textbook example of: When something isnt broken, fix it until it is. And do your best to ignore real issues. And sacrifice all your long-time fans on the altar of greed-fueled powercreep.
I don't fully understand people who prioritize fast queue times over proper matchmaking. Isn't the quality of the game you play what is the most important? Who cares that the game find a match quickly if that match is terrible?
It reminds me of that joke:
"A: I am very fast at math. B: Really? What's 35x44? A: 139 B: That's not even close. A: But it was fast!"
@@bostycraiova "hur dur I can't wait longer then 2 seconds for the game to find a match that'll likely end in 2 minutes. I'm such an impacent person" lol
Amazing You had the strength to make this long video. Great content that WG will ignore, as they do about everything players have issues with. Part from crew 2.0, witch the will sneak in eventually. Thanks man, great stuff! Now to the next video.
Crew 2.0 is a tiny chance yet I still need to pay for 75% crew
Matchmaker was why I quit, sick of unbalanced teams
The gold ammo thing was progressed so far that at higher tiers the tanks are balanced around enemies firing gold at them. Standard ammo is no longer the correct term, because the new standard is premium ammo and if you stubbornly refuse to use it you will put yourself at a huge disadvantage in most tanks. It is not a problem for long time players like me with premium accounts and a load of premium tanks for credit farming, but it is just another layer of hindrance thrown at new players in this so-called free to play game.
well tbh new players should stay away from tier 10 if possible and learn how to fight tier 10s at tier 9 or 8 but no they got to have the leopard 1
@@Electromagneticplutonium can you blame them tho? They see replays or unicums play them and are like "wow that tank looks super fun I wanna play it too".
@@shadowzone2588 same can be said for war thunder. You'll see someone play like, 11.0 or 9.7 and say "wow that looks awesome i wanna play that!"
then they buy the TURMS-T and INSTANTLY EXPLODE.
@@torifin755 it's even worse when youtubers do reviews on these tanks and say "this x tank is a must have for new players cus its fun" and then they finally get it and get absolutely destroyed while playing it.
Was firing standard rounds in my IS7 ever since i got it, after 300 games it has a 46% winrate, what a joke tbh
Whoever says "I like trains" probably like participating in lemming trains.
+/- 1 MM would be good for all tanks up to tier 7. 8s should get -1/+2 cause they can handle it.
marks are changing of how many damage people do, so even if it were +1/-1 - overall marks wouldn't change
wanted to say the same. Same goes for mastery class, all the requiered values would readjust in a few days.
i dont think changing matchmaker would make any impact on gun marks since it averages out tanks performance of all players who played with it, if there less hitpoints to farm most likely than not requirements would drop and it would take the same amount of skill to mark it anyways. And ofc people who play t10 dont mind -2 +2 since t10 gets only -2 mm. pretty sure the only realistic change is to match tank play styles( like sniping, spoting, tanking) on both teams and make that both teams have the same amount of equal tier meds heavies and tds. map rotation needs work i think, especialy after last update
I've been seeing a lot of tank stacking at tier eight. 3 un-platooned Borats on one side with none on the other.
Omg, thank you, I thought I was the only person who noticed this problem, again thank you so much. You are not alone.
The "New Tanks" promo MM does exist and work, just pay attention each time you play the 1st battle on a tank, pretty much 100% chance to be on top tier, but the effect lasts for like 3 battles, then you start seeing +2 matches just like anyone else. And obviously if you're in a platoon the effect doesn't work too (can't give your mates better mm ;d)
Years ago, you used to seem to get a 'honeymoon' period of about first 6 games of good/winning games, then back to normal. Now my new tanks (whether Tech Tree or Premium or Bond, get put in lowest tier, & lose most of the early games. Lowest win rate got down to 13%, majority are 30-40%ish. It's as if WG say 'we have your money/credits/xp/bonds, so we'll make the tank seem as bad as possible, so you think you've made a mistake, sell it, & buy another - so we get more money/credits/xp'.
@@eric-wb7gj yeah it may seem so but let's be honest, not really realistic, it's probably a "loosing streak"
@@edgypone4011 Yes, you could be right. My main point is that you used to get good results with all new tanks (or at least I did, it was something to look forward to), but now, of my last 2 bond & 2 premium tanks, all are at around 41%. This does go up over time (I'm not a great player, about 55% win rate), but to have all 4 new tanks have losing streaks at same time? Yes, a possibility, but should it not be varied?
This goes back to when I first got my E25, that went down to 19%, the lowest win rate I'd ever had on a tank until that time, & I thought the 'policy' had changed.
@@eric-wb7gjyou really think they sacrifice resources for that?
@@eric-wb7gj yeah true, but with the bond stuff I think it's also just the environment they live in if you get me, before you used to see whole different line up of tanks than today, so I guess there's that. Higher tier tanks are doomed from the start, that I can agree with
the tags on tanks are a priority in match making, just a low one. That's one of the probably many reasons you're seeing more tank stacking as well.
27:40 3 MOE requirements are determined by what other players achieve. After changing MM to +/-1 it would smooth out to a new target value quickly. Just don't 3 mark in the transition period, period.
29:40 yes, first battle in a tank will always be top tier. Probably a nice gift to people who have to play stock tanks, which is quite ridiculous considering how many battles does it take to unstock a tier 8 or tier 9 (hint: more than one). Just make the stock grind less painful, so no vehicle would be just an exp piniata with 1-2 lower tier gun.
Regarding special matchmaking for wheeled lights: it's the most stupid solution to the most stupid problem WG has ever invented. There were a lot of negative emotions towards wheeled vehicles before they were introduced and of course they failed to make them even remotely balanced. The simplest solution would be tuning their stats to be comparable to other lights, but EBR 75 and WG and their stupid policy about not nerfing premium tanks. Just keep the special matchmaking for EBR 75 and tune other wheeled tanks to be matchable against regular lights.
Oh, and add same policy for ELC EVEN 90. That thing deserves it.
@CVS problem: just nerf CVS. And while at it - nerf food to 5%
Random thought: +/- 2 matchmaking wasn't as bad until few years ago, when WG started adding bullshit premium tanks (like user in 51:50 mentioned). When limited MM premium tanks were still being introduced they were not only even comparable to tech tree tanks, they were slightly weaker. Now try to compare any tier 8 tech tree vehicle to Skoda T56 or BZ-176. It's WGs greed that's pushing us into the discussion at all. I started having problems with spread of the MM mostly after the 357 patch, both due to what 48:44 player noticed (you are more 7/3 more likely to become the -2 than +2) and due to amount of bullshit tanks being introduced.
My solution would be: limit the MM to +/-1 for first 30 seconds you are in the queue. If that's not possible, player is allowed to be thrown in a +/- 2 battle. I am sure that in prime time this won't be happening too often and during night time it would ensure reasonable MM time. This would affect people fighting for MOE but if someone is sweaty enough to do grind MOE he can choose to play out of prime time.
I have always hated the new tank grace period. It is the WORST time for a tank to be top tier. Since a team only gets three top tier tanks, having one of them be stock handicaps that team's capability. And, if you load in as one of those three tanks, there's a lot of pressure to carry the team. You might as well make one team 3/5/7 and the other team 2/5/8 the way most tanks are stock. Plus everybody's shooting gold, er, "standard" ammunition at you...
@@Fishrokk You're right, I didn't even think about the consequence the grace period brings to the team in 3/5/7 MM. Balancing around someone having their first battle is somewhat impossible - premium tanks have the grace period too, tanks unstocked with free exp have it too. So again - the best option is to remove it altogether and just make stock grinds not as painful.
For example, E 50 carries over a 8,8 cm gun from Panther II which is not only not bad, it's actually somewhat competitive as a gun choice against the top gun, trading alpha damage for DPM. This makes the stock grind not painfully hard, as the tank doesn't feel a tier lower (since the 8,8 cm gun has way more DPM than it has in a Panther II). Similarly, stock gun of Tiger II is not bad either, I did my top damage in this tank using that gun. Adjusting the carried over guns DPM to a higher tier seems to be a good way to make the gun still relevant.
BTW - before 3/5/7 MM was introduced it could be even worse than 3/5/7 for the stock tank on top. I remember the games sometimes were ridiculous. You could be the ONLY top tier in your team, imagine driving a stock T69 as the only top tier against a Borrasque. Or stock Caernarvon against a BZ-176.
I still have a screenshot of all tier 8 MM with one team getting an IS-7. The other team did not get even a tier 9, just tier 8s. It's easy to shit on 3/5/7 as a bad extreme of current MM, but it used to fart out things making 3/5/7 look like a dream MM from time to time.
Ewven when you sold tank and buy it again you play as top tier....
I've always said Tier 7 is the Redheaded Stepchild in the Game, it's the Forgotten Tier... It see's STOCK TIER 10 TANKS, because afterall, THAT is all a Tier 9 Tank is, a Stock Tier 10... And they get Bottom Tiered ALOT, so, this Result doesn't Surprise me in the Least that it's the Least Popular Tier to Play....
Tier 6's are Facing Tier 8's and those are, as you said, Built around Surviving against Tier 10's these days... ALOT of this is WG Dumbing Down the Game for Lazy Players at the Expense OF the Game... So. Again, I'm not the Least Bit Surprised that Tier 6 is the Next Roughest Tier to Play....
Ah yes, the Tank Missions, WG's way to make the Team no longer the Reason to Play, but the Free Handout at the End of the Mission... This makes for a LOT of Selfish Play and People wanting to be Hero's on Games that they haven't the Skills to BE the Hero In... I've been here since 2014, so I've seen the Gamer Change ALOT since then, and alot of it Starts with the Missions and Chisler GFY and 252U Defender Introductions, though those have been since Rebalanced by the Newer Premium Tanks and Tank Lines that've come Since.... So I can see Many Different reasons that the Game is Going Down the Tubes, the MM just doesn't Help Matters One Bit....
Also, every Special Mode is either Tier 8 or Tier 10, so Why can't WG give the Tier 7 and 9 Tanks a Mode of their Own so they can have a Break from being Pounded On Constantly... I could also see WG doing a MM Breakdown into Historical Tanks and Experimental Tanks, having an Option in the Settings to Pick Playing only Vs Historical Tanks would give most Tech Tree Tanks, especially in the Lower Tiers, a Break... This would Eliminate alotta Premium tanks from the MM for those Tanks, but the Experimental Setting would Open up the Full Array of Tanks in the Game, or juts let the Paper Tanks go against Each Other... 4005's would still be In the Historical MM, because they actually Built 2 of them, but the Deathstar would be Paper Only as the Best I think it ever Got was a wooden Mockup, the Same would Apply to Other Tanks in the Same Situations... Just a Few Other Thoughts... lol
and dont forget removing artillery from game, its not a tank and it promote camping. most unfun stressful and frustrating class to deal with in game
I literally just described tier 7 as the "redheaded step child" tier compared to the others a few days ago, huh.
Pros of +1/-1 MM:
Tier 4s stop getting beat up by Tier 6s,
Tier 6s stop getting one shot by Tier 8s
Tier 7s stop getting steamrolled by Tier 9s
Tier 8s stop getting steamrolled by 279e/Chieftain enjoyers
Higher quality matches where each tank has more potential to do well
Less time spent raging at getting your face kicked in by tank you can't even fight in any scenario
Possibility of longer battles due to the power imbalance being nonexistent at certain tiers
Cons of +1/-1:
Possibly longer queue times
Pros of +2/-2 MM:
Makes WarGaming more money
Cons of +2/-2 MM:
LITERALLY EVERYTHING
remove artillery, perma ban artillery players, add permanent pve mode so us normal people dont have to deal with the toxic pvp "dont cap kill all" gold spamming tryhard that ruin this game with their bounty loadout and 7 skill crew that they keep transferring to each tank and overpowered pay to win premium tanks.
@@soldier22881 Agree with you on the first part...
BUT!
Banning players for playing a class is too extreme and would definitely make player retention drop massively. Big no no there
A permanent or semi-permanent PvE mode would be cool. but if you don't like playing a PvP Tank game why the hell are you even here?... World of Tanks is a Player vs Player Tank Battle simulator... if you didn't know that when you signed up uhh... try reading comprehension classes.
Gold spamming isn't really a thing anymore, it's just a separate set of ammunition that you still have to pay for, you just pay more per shot than the regular stuff, it just eases the penetration against vehicles that are tough to pen. It's an advantage the game literally gives everyone the ability to use, so long as you have the credits to pay for it.
Bounty Loadouts are are literally available to EVERYONE. you get like 3 pieces of your choice during every battlepass plus extras you can buy for BP Tokens. Besides the pieces being a few %s under Bond Equip I don't see the issue here, since practically everyone who plays the game semi-regularly will at least have 3+ pieces of Bounty Equipment by now, seeing as we have had ... how many Battlepasses now?
Have you tried getting a 7 skill crew to beat other 7 skill crews... takes years to foster a crew that good.
Maybe try a different game if you're so unhappy with a PvP game
No, infact alot of players would return now that justice has been served on the toxic artillery players.
Most pvp and pve games have a pve or pvp mode as alternative are both successful and thriving. league a pvp game has PVE. Warframe a pve game has PVP. Warface a pvp game has pve and the game is still strong. ZMR a pvp game also has pve another popular game, counter strike also a pvp game with pve. Tons of f2p games that are pvp but also have a pvp mode.
Gold spamming is a thing and its prevalent in every tier, the fact you said that means you dont play the game anymore or dont know what youre talking about. Its pay to win because only veterans that play long time and premium pay to win players can afford to spam it. Although they changed it from gold to credits it is still pay to win. Because new players will not be able to afford it.
Bounty can only be gained from battle pass, which requires a ton of grind a long time, thus pay to win because vets and premium players already have them. And paying money gives you bounty from battle pass on top of other pay to win items. Tokens take forever to grind.
You can pay money for free xp to spend on crews, on top of the pay to win battle pass upgrade that gives you free crew booklets to spend on crews.
They way you describe issues proves you are a pay to win player that spends money on game and receives preferential treatment because you pay to win. the free to play players stand no chance in this pay to win game. Funny thing world of tanks would be ultra successfull if they went pve first to drive away the toxic pay to win pvp crowd@@K_LeShaeya
@@soldier22881 you are... actually an idiot lmfao
First off.
Artillery is toxic, the players playing artillery are not.
Chieftains and 279es are toxic, the people who play them likely aren't.
Secondly, "Gold Spamming" isn't a thing anymore, it's called "Premium Ammunition, and it's available for credits and literally anyone, new or old can afford to fire it. As long as you deal damage you make more money than the shot you fired (at least until you hit high tiers like IX-X, then you need to do more damage with your shots to generate the credits spent, but you're not really supposed to make money at tier 10)
Thirdly, I do play this game regularly, pretty much daily, and I can get 3-6 battlepass stages done in 3-4 hours of play time, and I have actual other things to do during my days so it's not like it saps time from other duties.
While yes the Battlepass may require you to buy into the premium pass to get the bounty equip, you can literally buy pieces of bounty equipment for 3 tokens. tokens which are spread out but quite easy to get if you do a minimum of 3 stages per day. Which is easy if you just log in and do the daily 4 missions (they give out roughly the BP Points to get 2 stages done, the third stage of points comes from you just playing your tanks and getting high on exp.
I have not ever used convertible free exp to train a crew ... ever... and I've been playing this game for near on 7 years now. Crew books get dropped from every major event, battlepass, daily mission, heck you can outright buy them for 2 million silver, and come Update 1.22.2 you'll be able to purchase even more new books.
The way I describe issues is that of a sane, reasonable person, with boatloads of personal experience with this game. BECAUSE i HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT FOR NEAR ON 7 YEARS.
Granted I have spent money on this game, I have several of my favorite premiums in my garage, I have been getting premium time from events and what little spending money I do have I sometimes buy myself premium time, because it's the best value. I don't get special treatment from this game at all, I just know what I am talking about instead of slinging around "pay to win this" and "pay to win that" like you're doing.
World of Tanks is already ultra-successful because it caters to the crowd that like the PvP battle simulator, and allows for competitiveness in an environment that allows for it. We've had PvE modes pop up here and there and while they were a nice respite from WoT usual PvP they were just fun activities. Mirny-13 for instance starts in a few hours... it's a really fun PvE experience, a break form PvP for a week or two gives you a nice refresher before heading back out on the battlefield.
To be honest, your comments read like someone who has quit the game and only spends there days throwing around complaints and "pay to win" arguments. and when people challenge you with facts, you try to pin them with your projections.
@soldier22881 dude. I need you to stop. Every time you try to form a coherent sentence, I can feel my braincells trying to off themselves.
If you think that the battles you are in are rigged and that you keep losing, there is one constant in those battles. You my guy. Stop complaining.
They totally ignore player skill They do not even attempt it.
One thing to note about one of the long form answers near the end - of COURSE there will be more bottom tier matches than top tier ones. It's 3/5/7 MM, not 5/5/5, which I believe is a HUGE factor to why the matchmaking feels so ass.
Came for the ranty(albeit correct) video, stayed for the great taste in music(gotta go fast!)
How to fix matchmaking: put bz176 into tier 11
Tbh, it could actually be a tier 10 quite easily, just a small HP buff and change nothing else, I am still regularly finishing top on damage even in tier 10 games with mine, it should never ve facing tier 6 and 7s.
@@johnfarscape i like bullying it with 128mm+ guns (you overmatch the roof)
29:35 this does exist, when you buy a new tank, your first game in it is guaranteed to be not bottom tier at the very least. i am not 100% sure about the reasoning but my guess is so that your first game is not insufferable in your stock tank, although i would agree that it is not an argument for +2/-2 matchmaking.
Just something to consider relating to tank diversity. There will be a smaller pool of available tanks by reducing tier spread but less powerful or meta tanks will become more viable and reappear in battles again slightly correcting the amount of diversity.
Making fighting player a comparison to fighting an OP boss = Elden Ring PTSD flashbacks
One thing you didn't go over is the player rating. A lot of the time especially in those 15-0 games you'll find that MM has put all the lower rating players on that losing side. You really should look at adding up both teams player ratings to see just how balanced the teams really are. Like what good is having 1to1 tanks if the players in the top tier tanks are not even in rating?. For me MM gives me a LOT of these unbalanced player matches that result in a loss with anywhere from 8k-15k HP left on the winning team. Also they should not let stock tanks or mostly stock tanks get +2 -2 MM. Next time you get a really bad loss try adding up all the player ratings on both sides to see just how balanced that game really was. Also look at what tanks the higher ranking players got compared to what you got, you'll find it's NOT fair or balanced at all.
15-0 games will still happen as often as they do now, even if the average player skill rating is perfectly identical on each team.
There's really no way to balance countless random circumstances, and the same battle could end either 5-5 in a draw, or 15-0 in a win/loss. I can't say the player imbalance doesn't matter, but having matchmaker account for it wouldn't really change as much as we'd hope it would (in the grand scale of things).
@@lncoming This is why most games have a ranked mode that puts players of equal rank against each other. But I get it, MM has to match games quickly so people get into games faster. The thing is when MM does this it sorts all the good MM first, then what's left is usually the 15-0 games. I don't mind getting those games ...but when it's game after game after game after game, it's really fucking aggravating.
I mean "Random Battle" should tell you everything you need to know about the MM right? All I'm asking is that it's more fair and consistent without the constant losses in a row.
Problem with +2 mm being converted to +1 mm is like opening a pandora's box as many tanks (mosty old "not op" premiums and some tech tree tanks) were balanced around having better MM. In fact, many premium tank's "Selling point" was exactly that. You got worse tank than a tech tree one, but you had preferential mm (imho way better solution to monetize the game as premium tanks that are weaker than tech tree ones are way less harmfull towards game balance).
Changing mm globally imho would also mean that something would have to be done with premium tanks that already have preferential mm. There aren't many of them, but there are some.
Should tanks like tier 7 TD AT 15A be buffed (since all other tanks will have same +1 mm), so that AT 15A would perform significantly worse & would lose its unique feature (tech tree TD would be better at that point since it would also have mm+1 on top of having better stats) or maybe it should also have mm reduced to +0 (always on top) ? There are also tanks that already have +0 mm, so those should either also be buffed to compensate that, or maybe should even have mm-1, so that not only those would be always on top, but would be 100% guaranteed to meet 1 tier lower tanks (as again, tanks were designed with preferential mm in mind so those have worse stats that tech tree counterpart).
I think that there is a better way. MM imho should be dependent on modules you have installed. Stock tank, so mm+0 or +1. Better modules (like gun) and you get mm+2 etc. This could be even used for premium tanks (both old & new ones) so that you would have best of both worlds. Of course, there should be some exceptions, like BZ 176 or Defender or generally tanks with very good armour, so those would not have the mm+0 or +1 feature.
When I look at my matchmaking (my wot ratging is 5600) I am in games with people that have rating from 2000 to 8000.
And that results in shitshow in almost every game. DOTA2 has great way of making it work, put people of similar rank against each other. So + or - 1000.
using the minecraft music disc was very nice and fitting somehow :D
I think the queue time is an argument that is not valid - at least for me. I will happily wait a couple of minutes for a good battle than a few seconds for a battle that I will not enjoy. I can check Emails or do a bunch of other stuff while waiting for a battle to load. I play WOWS where the queue time is longer and that has never been a problem for me.
I stopped playing WOT for about a year last Nov because I was tired of not enjoying the tanks that I like to play because they are most always two-tier down and not enjoyable in those scenarios. Most of the tanks that I like to play are not particularly good and they don't tier up very well. I will probably drop the game again after the Christmas season. Meanwhile, I am only playing two tanks that have preferential matchmaking so they are never two tier down and one T10.
4:52 The fact that you changed LefH18B2's name to Satan lmao
I think giving reward tanks, those which are considerably better than their tech tree counterparts (or at least SHOULD be, looking at you 116-F3) should all be made to have apex matchmaking like the Pz.B2. There is no reason whatsoever that this can't be done and no reason that tier 8 players should be forced to fight against 260,279,chief,907 etc.
Also the point about MT-15 is bang on. I know it's bringing yet another complication into it but having the MM able to give players a match where it's literally impossible to complete a mission isn't exactly good.
it always cracks me up when i see a t8 in my jagdpanzer e 100 like, tier 8s have around 1300 hp unless they are a heavy with 1700 hp
then i just casually mess their vehicle up so bad i start laughing at what tf was wg smoking when they thought it was a good idea to make t8s face me in a jagdpanzer lmao
OR THE IS7 RAMMING BUILD
It's not just matchmaking. Wargaming had a good idea when they started the game, but otherwise it's just a terrible development studio. They are completely incompetent to develop this game further. Any other development studio would take a better approach. They're so focused on only developing something if it makes quick money that there's no long-term plan or idea for the game. The studio won't change the MM because, according to their logic, touching it doesn't make any money. The people making the decision simply don't care whether such changes could lead to long-term success. It's all about exploiting the community
i contacted a god damn EU amdinistration member, a french like me lol it helped the conversation, he basically without directly telling me that they wont do anything
I think that today MM is even trying to balance tanks based on "subclass", which was not the case few years ago, when one team got amx50b and t57 heavy while other got kran and superkong on westfield and on top of them one tank had grille and fv4005 while other e3 and obj268-5 plus T95 at tier 9. Now this still exists because platoons are balanced weirdly, but it's better and I think that progettos and bourrasques are matched against each other.
But even tier 1 MM can be rough, Imagine playing TigerI vs BZ176 - you have about the same chance against E100.
I've had cases where ive had to fight vk 100.01s in a pudel and let me tell you its definitely not fun fighting a target that you can't pin reliably.
edit: another thing they could do is put a matchmaking gap between tier 7 a 8. for example, make it so the tier 7 can't see tier 8 and tier 8 can see anything below it. that way they can just buff everything in tier 8 to survive tier 9 and 10 battles while some tier 7 tanks can get slight buffs and nerfs of there own like nerfing the t29s retardily strong turret and remove its vstab. I dont think this would mess up the match making since you can still have +1 -1 with the exception of 7 getting +0 -1 while 8 gets -0 +2.
About how +2/-2 effects matchmaking time... it does not
I have played THOUSANDS of battles on the australian server, where +1/-1 was enabled for ALL tiers except for tier 8/9/10s, so my tier 6s would never meet tier 8s
Matchmaking time was the same for all tiers, it depended on players, and +2mm didnt make getting games in tier 8 tanks easier at all
I gotta say the +/- 2 tier MM hurts and blesses tier 6 the most since if you're in a tier 6 (let's say an Easy 8, pretty decent medium all round but keep in mind this problem can also apply to other tier 6 vehicles as well with varying degree of pain) it can hold it's own at tier 6, and is pretty good at trading with tanks below it's tier (tier 4 tanks *can* fight back against this thing reasonably well).
The problem is when tanks like these are matched up against tier 8's where all the premium bullshit vehicles are swarming the match maker, just what exactly is an Easy 8 or a Churchill 7 supposed to do against a BZ 176 or a Renegade? Some people are probably gonna say "oh just flank it", good fucking luck trying to do that given the types of maps you get in WoT and how quickly bad/bold moves are punished.
Also from my experience, it feels like once you play 10-20 matches in a tier 6 the matchmaker just stops being friendly and throws you into constant downtiers, so I don't really get how an average player who is playing for free, or mostly for free, with tech tree vehicles are supposed to get past tier 6 or have fun at tier 6. It also doesn't help that the skill level of players around tier 6 is extremely varied so even if a tier 6 vehicle has the ability to fight back against tier 8's, the match might have gone horrendously wrong before it can be salvaged.
Personally, I feel like tiers below/above tier 6 aren't as affected as much by the +/- 2 tier MM but with how massive the premium/P2W tech tree and the power creep has gotten, tier 6 really needs some sort of fix to keep them away from the tier 8's.
Also the power gap between Tier 7 and 8 feels like 2 or even 3 tier diffrence instead of the 1 tier it should be
turtle 1 has 230 effective armor on the front, why do people keep saying that it's impenetrable, just aim and shoot, pretty much any tier VIII with gold has 100% chance of penning it ANYWHERE, unless it's above you, it's extremely easy to kill
That's the reason I really like WOTb, I never ever struggled to pen a tank with base ammo, and if I really wanted to turn my brain off and pen everywhere, I would just fire gold ammo at the cost of damage ! When I started to play wot, I would only do good on light tanks and arty because I am stuck at T6-T7 fighting T8 that I just cannot kill and the grind is extremely boring and slow.
Wargaming needs to forbid most tanks from going against tanks two tiers higher, with some exeptions
T8 holds their ground properly against T10, and should probably leave T7 against T6 instead of taking them in T7-8-9 games
Most T4 horribly stuggle against T5 heavies. I never enjoyed any non TD T4 tank because I would constantly find T5 and I could only tickle against KV1s or T1 heavies.
Here are my changes :
-Make T1 and T2 as strong as current T3, buff T3 and T4 to close the gap between them and T5 (They did something like that in blitz when they removed T1 tanks and replaced them with the old T2, weaker T3 took T2's place and same for T4 filling gaps. Led to a much more enjoyable low tier experience)
-T1, T2, T3, T4 can go +2 -2 only between themselves
-T4 (with high pen, or arty), T5, T6 can go +2 -2 only between themselves
-T7 can only go +1 -1 but they shouldn't really struggle to find a match because they aren't played very much
-T8, T9, T10 can go +2 -2 only between themselves
Change to T8-T9-T10 matches : As T9 aren't played much, mm won't try to fulfill a T9 quota and instead put what's avaiable of T9 in a game with minority of T10 and majority of T8
To remove all problems. just put same tier vs same tier, no uptier, no downtier. And make tech tree tanks as good as premium tanks nowadays. Premiums are credit makers after all.
0.3% of tier 9 battles on the NA server are single-tier. It's not feasible unfortunately.
The match making is so crooked and unfair.I just played a game where the their heavyweight tanks were tier 7 while ours were tier 6.It is so unfair.
I will start with that i agree with all the points. BUT.
I think that one aspect of WoT is missing here. This game is about look at techtree pick a t10 and grind for it. +/-2 mm can give you nice boost for grind but also can make you waste time. i can go with example of t7 in +2mm if that t7 is maxed it has in some cases chance to do something. But you can get as t7 to +2mm with stock tank. How are such games supposed to play out? You can as stock tank play with tier lower components like guns. Thus making that now +3mm. Which can be painfull for any new or casual player.
i can go with games on equal tiers one side techtree tanks so some can be stock or not fully upgraded other side premium tanks. Then you can just hope those players make mistakes so that you can have some fun.
Point i want to make is when it come to mm level of upgrades of tanks should be taken into consideration by mm. Before sending them to battle of one side winning without any sweat.
Does this game, PC WoT, still have +2/-2 MM? Console does and I’m finding it not fun when going up against tier VIII heavies with a tier VI one. Especially a slow lumbering super heavy that can be outmaneuvered by some of the tier VIII heavies as well as out damaged by them.
Yes, it does.
@@lncoming That sucks. Though +1/-1 MM won’t fix every issue. Especially not immediately. More would need to be done afterward to balance things out.
My AMX 50 120 cries for ANY improvement
Seems like QB has taught drapsm well😂
you forgot the +/- 25% on penetration and damage after penetration on the matchmake
I'd wait 2-3 minutes if it made the game slightly more balanced in a +1/-1 MM
hey - slight necro comment to your video which i have been enjoying btw. Your point about why would the MM rig a game just to benefit one player.. unless you change your stance on this in the last half hour as I have only go 30 mins in at the moment.. I would counter this with.. I think its more if they do it they do it for 15 players not one. Which makes more sense. Purely annecdotal but it does feel like you can make a pretty solid prediction of which team will win or loose right off the bat before the game has even begun. Especially with the "new" Elite tags they put in now, you can see a glaring inbalance and bang your team has either won convincinly or been roflstomped as per predicted. Best games are when you have no one with 100's of elite points and you get a 5-0 victory for one team at the end.. or there abouts. Anyway. I will carry on and see what else you have to say. I also have a tin foil hat though here with me... if that helps ;D
CVS was the worst thing they added to this game with French wheelies a close second. There is no counter for it. Plus, no tanks that don't get Field Upgrades, should have to face ones that do. They always talk about "balance", but they actually have none.
Yet the VK 100.01P is swiss cheese once it sees same tiered tanks because of the turret being so weak, especially with all the gold spam now. Perfect example of old vs new tanks as well
Coinflip. Perfectly balanced, simple rules.
3:33 Lol I've had fun top tier as the AT-2
+-2 or +-1 don't affect the moe, but +-1 makes low tier so much better, up to t6 I think.
I am on asia server where mostly delivers +-1 matches. And que time on asia server is quick too, even though there are less players than eu server. Anyway I am quite curious why other servers don't use it. And gun mark is almost identical.😅
MM is screwed. Playing a T7 heavy, highest tier heavy in the match, enemy team got TWO Turtles. Yeah, gg
3-5-7 refers to the most common matchmaking template that was in the game a couple years or so, today this or similar almost never happens
You're just wrong, there's never more top than mid, or mid then lower, so 3 5 7 or close to that is the only way if there is 3 tiers
This game makes me wanna break my own hands sometimes.
thats why me and all my clanmates quitted this game like 8 years ago and went to play war thunder insted, true war thudner isnt without its flaws but i have far more fun in WT then i ever had in WOT
Things like marks, bonus to exp and the advantage of being top tier once in a while are all worth sacrificing for a MM with a lower tier spread and high consideration for tank roles. Fairness is always better, and the tank diversity argument is just plain bullshit. Queue times remain the strongest counterpoint IMO, but it wouldn't need to be a theoretical discussion anymore if Wargaming just gave it to us for, let's say, a month or two. If it works everyone wins, if it doesn't then we go back to the old status quo and that's it. It's so tiring and frustrating that we still need to talk about it so many years later knowing that it probably won't be fixed until the servers shutdown for good.
Personally I think WG just nerfs or OPs tanks when they want on a daily basis.You can have great day grinding do the same the next day and have different results.
WoT Blitz has had +1 -1 Matcmaking for years, it works perfectly, there was a massive rebalance at first, they also changed gold ammo, so it costs about the same as standard, but has a different function, faster for less damage with APCR, no loss of pen with HEAT, but slower and gets absorbed, and dpes less damage, there are others as well, you find due to standard ammo normally doing the most damage, the best players are the ones that learn to aim at weakspots, gold spammers are basically getting 30% less dpm.
Blitz is a significantly less chokepointed game than PC/console wot clients are, which is something they actually do better there than anywhere else. I don't think I'll mention it in great detail in my series of videos about the maps, but it's interesting for sure.
The reason PC could never do that is because the maps are designed for passive play, the vast majority of the time. An IS-3-II already cannot kill a Maus with gold frontally besides the lower plate, so it doing 30% less damage would increase that issue. Likewise the opposite is true, where tanks that have almost the same pen on standard and gold rounds, would have ridiculously OP standard rounds. This is fine for the player's economy of playing the tank, but tanks like the Obj 263 (270 AP, 300 APCR) would deal 715 damage per shot, which would two-shot a lot of tier 8s.
I always congratulate war gaming MM and RNG on their one sided games. I have had fully aimed shots at less then 100 meters miss and fully aimed shots on a weak spot do no damage or bounce. Then have a game pulling off 360 no scopes across the map for an ammo rack and bounce a jagaroo with the 4005s turret side
Speaking of matchmaking, Wargaming nuked the low tier matchmaker with the tech tree streamlining.
Yes. A decent number of good tanks in those that they got rid of for some reason. KV-13 still deserves a video but I've not gotten around to it (and my crew is still in the Obj 416).
Every tank in the game your very first game will be top tier unless queue is over 1 min or platooned
This no longer exists, but we're not sure when it was removed.
why we even speculating with +1/-1, why not only same tier against each other and i believe if the MM take all tier 8 which are in battles +2,+1,-1,-2 and put them together in one battle there will be not big waiting time
You'll never find battles on smaller servers or low playercount hours. I don't remember the last time I had a match of all tier 7s.
Besides that, doesn't sound too bad.
I don't understand the point of marking tanks being an argument for +2 -2 mm, because everyone else marking the tank will also deal with the same environment of matchmaking like getting top tiered where you can't farm as much or getting -2 where you can't do much which lowers the general requirements. If there was a +1 -1 mm the requirements would probably raise which again affects all players in the same way.
Hey, ASIA server player here. In ASIA 01 server (formally HK) its rare to get T6 match when you play a T8 tank and same goes for T9 you almost never see T7 tanks. I'm an above average player play over 30 battles a day and I cant remember the last time I got to play against T6 tanks when I'm playing in a T8 tank. Does the MM work differently for each server ??
This is something I was thinking about whilst making this video, as it would make sense if NA didn't have the matching roles system in place, just for faster queue times. While it seemed very true at first, the most staggeringly stacked screenshots also came from EU. Ultimately I couldn't be sure, so I didn't really mention it in the video.
Also I heard Asia matchmaking got really bad when they tried to lower queue times, which is mildly funny until it remains that way longer than a couple days...
Not sure about MM on different server's but tier 6 against tier 8 MM on the NA server is very normal and is a lot of fun...if you're a tier 8, not so much as a tier 6. i.e. T34-85 vs BZ-176 🤣🤣
@@lncoming Yeah that whole queue lowering thing happened on HK sever was pretty bad players were getting 10v10 every time and gameplay changed so drastically because the maps were too big for 20 players 90% of the time team that yolo 1 side of the map won the game it was like playing clan wars and it became very hard complete campaign missions and even some daily missions that required you to damage certain number of individual enemy tanks. Btw in ASIA 1 server you will never get to play against T7 tanks when playing T9 tanks.
Tier 7-9 battle.
1 tier 9 per team.
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Enemy has T95
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Gg thanks MM great battle.
imo the biggest issue is t8 having op premium tanks that are easily more impactfull than t9 tanks in the hands of anyone with 2 braincells...
edit: another big issue is stock tanks, first of all this mechanic should be removed its outdated and literally makes so many new players quit the game, most of my friends quit at t8 because they had their tier 7 gun and couldnt do shit. Its also horrible for mm since a tank that is counted as a certain tier is actually one tier lower...
should there be a 7v7 +1 -1 mode for tiers 4-7?
On the current maps, definitely not. It also makes a lot of tanks entirely useless, due to the brawling format. I don't know what would happen to marks and aces. 7v7 isn't a great format for random queue battles either.
2011, Wot is dying. Random imbalance is not the case now, obviously stronger tanks are the problem, gold ammo dependent on significantly increased premium income is other significant issue.
i think they should try plus 1 minus 1 on one server just to try
+2 mm is the only reason I don't play WoT
Thanks, but I strongly feel one argument going for the match making as it is, at least from the WG perspective. Money. Create a game that is inherently unfair to an extent that does not make people quit immediately, give them some incentives, make them believe, buying premium would change their performance significantly. In case you think, there is no other way to earn money enough with a massive online game, think again, about Fortnite. You can buy skins there, but not helpful for your success. You cannot buy anything helpful with respect to that, as far as I know.
I stopped playing WoT and probably will never touch a game of theirs again. I was tired of getting spat in the face by their constant chance to the disadvantage of the casual tomato like me. I would be happy to pay money for a balanced game, but surely not for getting bent over.
Lets be Honest, who wants to play Tier6 at the moment? You get thrown into Tier8 matches in 9/10 Games and then you have to face Tanks like Bourrasque, BZ or any other broken Premium that just annihilates Tier6 Tanks. If you get a +-1MM then Tier6 would at least be Playable again. Tier7 is also a very hard spot because of the Flatout really bad Performance Curve that separates Tier7 and 8. Just with the added factor of meeting also Tier9 tanks that are even stronger with their TierX Guns.
Everything below Tier8 is just a Wreckfest and i guess that WG doesnt even care about that anymore.
The game gets balanced around tier 10. Unfortunately, large parts of tier 10 gameplay suck, so the game inherits those problems as well.
Edit: That's why the maps are the way that they are, which is a good example.
That is why T3 is the best tier. Never see T5s. I'm joking of course ... Then again, maybe I should...
Why +2/-2 MM exist?? Simple to mask shitty balancing done by WG. Best case example the OG obj. 268 which was nerfed to oblivion and objectively even if it has better penetration, more hp, mobility and accuracy than tier IX of the tree the obj 704 it still a worse tank because Obj 704 has 1 degree more of gun depression, somewhat more reliable armor, is somewhat better at sniping at longer ranges because of better shell velocity of APCR and HE shells and it is slightly smaller aka harder to aim at. Obj 268 is bush sniper while with obj 704 is so versatile that i can sometimes go brawl with tier X heavy tank which does not make any sense at all.
I also think a problem you missed is players using mods to see your team and the enmey teams ELO level. It not only leads to toxic play, but its down right cheating. While it may not happen that much it still happens. It's like your video where experienced players go into low tiers and seal club. Because 9/10 times when a player with these mods know your elo they will rush you or only target you because they know your not a skilled player. And yes you can hide your ELO in game, but most new players dont even know what ELO is. And I had a scummy friend that used the mod and he said if someone hides their ELO he will still 9/10 times go after them because most good players won't bother to hide their ELO. Like you said seal clubbing ruins the game and bullying new players or less experienced players just causes them to quit not want to get better. They just give up.
great vid
I wonder why WOT has zero new player retention and the playerbase is leaving in droves.. It couldn't be that new players in a T-34-85 can meet a veteran player in a VK 100 01 P... Or an O-I can meet an Iron Arnie... Literally the definition of rigging.
Or maybe it is the 3 minute, 15-0 rigged matches where one team gets bad players and bad tanks and the other team gets veteran players and OP tanks.
The top tier tanks get all the damage, XP and credits while the bottom tier tanks get zero xp, no damage and no credits while going into massive debt from firing premium rounds in vain, forcing them to buy gold in order to convert it to credits.
The +2/-2 matchmaking system is objectively bad and horrible for the game in every universe and is one of the most hated parts of the game but WG does nothing about it and only makes it worse for a reason i can only surmise is malice. It is actually unreal how bad WOT is in all aspects, WG is intentionally killing their game and is exploiting and milking their playerbase as much as they can before the whole rotten structure comes collapsing down.
Amx 50-100 vs bz-176 no issues here both heavy
Iv been in a game where yhe enemy had 13 tier 10s and our team had two, and somehow....someway, we steamrolled hhem with our tier 9s
am a close beta player 2009 baby good old days RIP 2013 goldspam for free
And WG is wondering why Frontline is something people like well its beacuse its tier 8 vs tier 8. Now that being said its not just that but credits but its still full on tier 8 tanks vs tier 8 tanks so its preety balanced. Not saying it doesnt have its op stuff well yes it does like bz176 and so on but well maps are bigger a lot of options to push and kill it. In normal games maps are designed as front assault mostlly corridored into 3 lines and 1 lines win the´n u can flank but in Frontline Crossfire is huge asspect of the game even if u dont push a flank down unlike in random maps. I said it WG make a Frontline type for tier 10 so u respawn and ofc u play more tanks u spend more credits and tell me people wont jump at it like its best shit there is. Tier 8 is good beacuse it is balanced kinda and u canhave fun regardless. For mentioning it I grinded both VK10001p VK4502A and T34-2 all in frontlines having fun. Most of XP grinded in frontline not all but most. so yeah. Now I wait for it to grind Bt12t as well. so yeah try to add frontline part for tier 9 and 10 as well and look if its sucess or not. Maybe it will be shit maybe it wont but I bet u would see more type5 heavys and so on and not having to deal with obj279E from the front but having crossfire makes it much better XP IMO.
im old player enough to remember when malinovka and himmels was tier 1 map, premium tanks where balanced. Then came the super pershing and type 59 the two very op and still op to this day. All because people didn't close their wallets to get artillery removed. sigh.....
and then it got worse, more op premium vehicles, then they added frustrating and overpowered tier 10 derp tanks like fvb 183 and then replaced by an equally frustrating but H.E. penable 4005. its like wg hates fun and wants their game to fail. sigh.......
oh then instead of rebalancing gold rounds, they simply made them cost credits, so basically pay to win players and long term players will be able to spam while new players are at a huge disadvantage.
btw this 703 ll was me xd
Well they are losing players every day so keep it up wargaming...
match maker.. +1, 0, -1 for tech tree tanks only.. Premiums keep +2 -2 match maker.. Pref mm tanks get 0, -1, 279e and reward tanks only can see same tier..
Arty: remove stun, give ap shells base damage of 700+ instead of 300 lol, boost HE pen by double, arty gets faster reload and more accuate.. or revert the nerfs of arty back to 7.0 days..
Revert HE mechanics on tanks that dont have HESH.. keep new mechanics onto HESH shells..
wg should give the most shit tier 8 tank in the lootboxes to everyone for free.. as everyones christmas gift..
Minotauro has 130 HE pen, I would not like to be fighting 260 HE pen minotauros. This, of course, is ignoring tanks with hesh (like cent 7/1 getting 420 HE pen)
Edit: Just read the "Arty" before it, my bad. I do plan on making a video on SPGs at some point, just because it is a large point of contention. The other reason is because most people aren't willing to make a neutral video about them, as they strongly lean one way or the other. I am.
OP Turret armor? Dont be a moron and dont Fight him in the position he is Holding with hull down, just give up, lure them further back and abandon their position, you dont have to Fight on the "important spots" on the map, just let them "win" the hull down location by default , and that will force em out of the hulldown positions. i see too often morons fighting enemy on hull down position or sidescraping position, you know how u deal with that? Dont fight in a position where they can do that
Ok your chart about how many players like or dislike MM how many players were surveyed and how many are in top tier clans because with war gaming on all of their platforms money talks
Most people in top tier clans don't care, and play only tier 8 or 10. There is no connection.
Clearly wot players don’t play league, cries in 30 mins of queue time into lobby dodge into 30 min queue into 15 min forfeit
WG MM only cares about two things. Tank weight and Tank HP.. So forget about balancing.. It's never going to happen..
It doesn't care about either of those things whatsoever
@@lncoming Yes it does you slow one.. WG posted how the MM works 13 years ago.. It's never changed. Other then they allowed XVM in the game.
So go read more. It's simply based on Tier, Type, HP, and Weight..If it can't meet that. It will either time out or one team gets less or more HP..
Cool story dude. Here's a 50 minute analysis of when they changed it. th-cam.com/video/hNH68oQd8pw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=C4uu7BYowPqG8QrH
@@lncoming It's never changed.. Read WG post..As they know you would wait forever to get in a game. If they changed it.
So please no Special Pleading..As you people seem dense on how things work and why. Hell most of the damn "Analysis" are done with such a small sample rate. It's not even funny. You need at least 1500 minimum. Why WG sticks with good old fashion Casino odds. They know they have a 1.06% edge in ever bet. Some even more..As it only takes a small change to affect the outcome. Not some massive % change. Why players with a high WR are rated higher. They live till the end. As win or lose. They keep their WR up. They also know which tanks to play and Platoon. To get a better MM. Hell they even time in. to see if they can get 2 platoons in the same MM. On the same side..
And you would never notice it. Unless you are the one counting the winnings to payouts..
@@WizzRacing I'm not dense enough to pretend this video doesn't exist on the official WG page. th-cam.com/video/Ql4tDHfQeRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_2WS4gseVxSDkJ-C
This simply isn't up for debate. Tier 6/7 heavies don't fight tier 10s anymore. Neither do tier 4/5 light tanks.
World of tanks players complaining they want the game to be War Thunder again
Not even close
Silly noob. Every free to play game, without exception, has rigged matchmaking. It's literally free money for the devs.
>It's literally free money for the devs.
Literally how?
The matches are rigged though, and they can get away with it with something called "plausible deniability" as well as sunk cost fallacy. they make the pay to win players that have bought premium time or wot plus win more games and better rng/mm, they have all the reason to do this system as its no secret they catter to the p2w crowd and always have.
tomato.gg/stats/NA/POLIZEI110=1002065433
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tomato.gg/stats/NA/Jimmyvp%3D1019877871
By that logic, these people have better RNG and matchmaking than either of us, and yet they still don't seem to do too well on average. I didn't go out looking for them either, I picked two random names from my blacklist in-game.
There is zero incentive to rig matches for their highest buyers. You may say "oh it's not all the time, just some games." I've played 43,000 games on my account, and I can assure you I get NO such treatment. The phrase "If you leave a monkey at a typewriter long enough, it will write War & Peace" applies quite heavily to world of tanks. If you sit someone at the back of the map enough times, the stars will at some point align, and allow literally anyone to have a good game.
This is how people get Kolobanov medals while AFK in an assault match. Nothing was rigged for that to happen, it just happens. I don't set a Russian medium tank on fire because I spend $250 on two Fort Knox bundles before I clicked "Battle!"
The only rigging of any kind is done by the players, and thinking the devs have any incentive to do it is just flat-out wrong. Please stop watching Claus.
P.S. The point of showing tomato,gg profiles is not to stat shame these individuals, but instead show that, despite them buying and playing only tier 8 premiums, they are still average players.
I'm glad you showed me these 2 individuals. If you look at the first one "Polizei" his survival rate and other stats are very low, which means in his games he plays incredibly aggressive and Yolo's into the enemy team, but the moment he plays more passive like in his tiger1 or vk36 his score improves dramatically thus he gets matches/rng rigged in his favor but because he throws away his tanks and most likely most of those type59 the op tank he gets top tier and throws away his top tier thus leaving his team down a very powerful pay to win tank, his stats reflect those actions.
As for the second player "jimmy" is a more interesting case although his survival rate is decent it seems he plays very passively, which suggests this player is playing the game casually and picks bad spots for his tanks to be in, the fact that he has low stats but high survival rate means that although he doesn't contribute much in the match, his team carries him thanks to that premium match making, if he tried he would have easily been at 50% winrate since his hit ratio is very good (thanks to premium)
How do you know there is no incentive when there are tanks like bz176? or kv 2 r which strangely gets better rng than the already op tech tree kv2? looking at the premium tanks released, borrasque, skoda t56, elc 90, 13 57, bz176, obj 703 2, su 2 122, super pershing, type 59, what do they have in common? very strong stats, very good guns and armor or mobility and camo better than tech tree counter parts which goes against their previous precedent of having premiums be slightly weaker than tech tree but making credits as compensation.
They have every reason to cater to the pay to win by giving paying customers better rng and mm. And they have plausible deniability because they can claim its "random". When you play this game and you win or lose one sided match check the teams tanks, how many premiums do they have? do they have wot plus? Ever notice how the curb stomp battles one team gets better rng where the other gets low rolls and misses? They made the system, and have every reason to rig it, just like a casino the house wins, in this case the more premium tanks and more money spent team will win against the team that doesnt spend money on game. Those who pay have better time and "fun" because of better rng and mm thus more profit and spending on game, not to mention they also have gambling in form of lootboxes, althought the game itself is also gambling since so much success depends on rng. Until they reveal how their mm and rng works they cannot be disproven nor denied. But given the overpowered premiums, and people complaining about bad match making i think its obvious the devs are rigging the game, after all its pay to win why wouldnt they? they got away with releasing the bz176 @@lncoming
@@soldier22881 They genuinely do not have any incentive to do anything you just said. The Type 59 is not OP, and hasn't been since it got nerfed a decade ago. Rigging a match for like 3/30 people because they paid more is simply not a thing. There's no such thing as premium matchmaking. People don't have higher hit ratios in tanks because of their increased RNG. I have yet to see a single example for the game rigging a match for someone to ensure they have a good game. In 11 years of playing, nobody has been able to show me one. That's not because it's "plausible deniability," it's because it doesn't exist.
As for WoT+, TS-54 drivers tend to do more questionable things than most other tanks I see on the battlefield, so there goes that theory. Also, claiming players still have better RNG but just "throw it away" is the hardest confirmation bias I have ever seen. This idea relies on the fact of them playing better = them doing better, but somehow that's entirely because the game LET them get good enough RNG, vs a rigged team, to have said good game?
Additionally, even if there was a single ounce of incentive to boost their whales, don't you think the queue times would be significantly longer, in an attempt to perfectly match said person into their own game (which is a hilarious sentence for me to write out).
It's just not a thing, and anything WG can claim as "plausible deniability" gets hit with some pretty strong confirmation bias by some people in the playerbase.
True the type 59 was nerfed along with the super pershing but they got re buffed and are back to their full strength a few patches later, infact they are back to being op since wg buffed them some more not long ago. And its not 3/30 people you do realize most of the player base buys premium and wot plus right? And how can you prove those with pay to win tanks and premium dont have higher hit rates? explain then how teams will often get a bunch of op premiums on one side yet none on the other, explain how mm puts low skilled players with less battles and winrates up against higher winrates and higher skilled players?
And from my experience wot plus ts 54 drivers annihilate other teams, because ts 54 has insane dpm thanks to its fast reload and double barrel. Youve only shown me 2 players, there are probably a few more, but the common theme is premium tanks and wot plus win more and have better win ratio than free to play accounts. what evidence do you have that premium does not do that?
They already have a premium matchmaking, and whichever team has most premiums or spends most money wins, sometimes premium players will face others and again whoever pays most will win. Thats how they make it seem like there is no favoritism for the pay to win.
So you do not deny that there are over powered tanks then? Most of the player base has figured out the scam already. I understand why you would be a bit hesitant about this, looking at your stats you seem to have good mm and own premiums, are we sure we are not the only ones being biased here? I do not pay a single cent yet my experience along with others i know that dont pay are far different from yours, its like where playing different games. @@lncoming
@@soldier22881 That feeling when me improving over 11 years gets trumped by an evidence-less set of theories.
Any of my evidence gets disproven by what you feel, and your lack of evidence can be easily disproven, but then you'll say its "plausible deniability." Any counter argument I have made is simply responded to with "but they have premium time so it's rigged" or similar.
This is like people using the Bible to justify doing dumb stuff. It's not some big conspiracy about how money = results despite how hard some people may think.
What you've not considered is how much wargaming has to lose if they make a system like that. What you think is the case, is that they've made a "clearly rigged" system that is so undetectable that there isn't any evidence of it whatsoever?
Just no. No. What you're willing to put up against logical reasoning shows why it doesn't exist, but I will never convince you, because you refuse to be convinced. End of story.
Edit: since you asked. How does matchmaking put lower skilled opponents vs higher skilled ones?
BECAUSE IT'S RANDOM