Should Persona 6 Be a Dark Game?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- If rumours are to be believed, Persona 6 will release at some stage next year. The first three Persona games are also some of the darkest in gaming. Persona 4 and 5 took on far lighter tones. For this video essay we'll explore what the vocal minority want Persona 6 to be, how all of the Persona games have a dark edge to them and if Persona 6 should be a dark game or not.
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Persona 6 needs to be based on fear with the moral message of stepping out of comfort zone the arcana theme needs to be the hermit and the color theme green
I quite like the idea of fear and stepping out of ones comfort zone. Though, I have to ask, wouldn't that tread similar territories to P5 in some ways?
@@ColinLack definitely would follow more Futaba's places a bit I feel (with different styles of horror) it being a story based on hermit but think persona 4 (Character growth) mixed with persona 1 (taking cues form horor culture form all areas)for atmosphere and persona 5 play style
@@Raiko_Star I love that idea and would love to hear more of what you'd like to see in P6!
It’s been confirmed that the color theme for P6 is the green
Always have been dark, and it is definitely traditional
And so Persona 6, definitely should and most likely will follow that tradition. Just not in the way the “edgelords” imagine.
Exactly and that's what I wanted to point out with this video.
No, I want it to be more similar to Persona 4 with a lighter tone but I guess having a dark story would be cool if it doesn’t make the whole vibe of the game depressing and sad
Which is a totally valid view point! I pointed out in the video how P4 and 5 are the most popular in franchise history and they're ones where the games are generally speaking lighter hearted but touch on darker subjects. I think that's Persona at its best
The neo persona games definitely has a dark plot, but the delivery made it suave. It can't be compared to p2 (which imo is the darkest game in the series) and It's okay to acknowledge that, the developers wanted to add humor and light elements to the plot (maybe even a bit too much) in order to appeal to the new fanbase and prevent the game from being constantly dark, which might not resonate with the targeted audience.
This has happened with p3r. If you played the og first you’d notice that they made the remake much lighter in terms of atmosphere & vibes. P3 concept is probably the darkest in the series but the execution of the story falls short, so its between old persona and neo persona in terms of the dark concept.
As for P4, I cant even call it a murder mystery. The game is filled with humor and fun, and the atmosphere is peaceful about 80% of the time. Many people actually prefer its party members (among the entire series) because of how much the game focused on their relationship together rather than the main story’s concept.
Personally, I feel that p5 had the potential to be one of the darkest games in the series, but it ended up being too suave. The developers decided to have most of the 'dark stuff' happen off screen due to the age rating. It's not the game the fans were expecting when they first saw that chair trailer.
P1 story wasn't as dark as P5 (at least imo) but the atmosphere and the delivery of the story in p1 made the game feel much darker than it actually was.
This is all my opinion that i wanted to share. I'm sure I would enjoy p6 either way, I'm just hoping they deliver the story right instead of ruining it in the middle with bad execution. Like if they’re gonna call it for example a murder mystery, MAKE IT A REAL MURDER MYSTERY.
Well said and you're always welcome to share your thoughts in my channel. I appreciate well thought out, eloquently written comments. I actually agree, that going too middle of the road is not the way to go. I definitely think the lighter tone might be a good idea, but something with more grit to it would also work. Either way, I'm excited for Persona 6!
I think P6 should be as dark as it needs to be. Part of what makes Persona so engaging is the jovial moments you get with your friends, contrasted against the dark moments that test your bonds. It's been a staple since P1.
You definitely understand what I mean!
It would be interesting to see Persona 6 tackle themes of revenge and forgiveness, and how leading a vindictive path can and will ultimately lead to the very destruction of your soul. Maybe the protagonist is a young adult foreigner who comes to Japan looking for someone who screwed him over in a very terrible way and seeks to take revenge on them. At first, the game has you committing morally questionable acts in order to find the villain by any means necessary. However, along the way, the protagonist eventually realizes that a path of hatred and vengeance isn't one that should be walked, and forgiveness is a more powerful (but albeit more difficult) path. I feel like that could be done in a way that isn't too edgy, while still exploring some darker themes.
@@Megadeth7811 could be neat!
Persona 6 should be about a bunch of internet personalities (Streamers, vtubers, clout chasers, video essayists, digital artists, etc...) that tackles concepts of identity and what it means to put on a 'mask' when performing for an audience. Each of the main characters would struggle with their own hardships (losing popularity, being unable to grow their views, being cancelled, selling out for sponsors, struggling to pay bills, getting hate dogpiled, etc...). Their Persona awakens when they decide to stop performing for for the sake of their view counts and sponsors and instead decide to refocus on their love of their craft that got them started in the first place.
The main character's persona would be Pewdiepie.
Nah, just kidding. Make the personas be famous performers, artists, and writers. Each main character could have their persona be based on a different media. Like shakespeare for plays.
I love this idea! I feel like you've had this in your head for a while!
@@ColinLack Nah I randomly came up with it yesterday after making a shitpost about how Persona 6 should have the main characters personas be Pewdiepie, Markiplier, and Ego Raptor lmao. The concept just works so well that it flowed easily.
Well the idea is super cool dude! I think that would be a great follow up to P5 in a lot of ways since it'd de-construct society in a similar but different manner!
Also because it's obvious that Persona 6's color theme would be green, i think it will fit best with a dark atmosphere. I was kinda unsure as how will the color green will work, i've seen P5 opening but purple, it sill works good, but green just doesn't fit. But then i remembered FNAF 3, a horror game with green color theme, and then i remembered Tartarus, i swear Tartarus's so green it's Persona 6. So yea, i think green color theme will fit best for a dark atmosphere
Maybe we’ll get a smaller scale more melancholic story akin to P3?
Persona has always been dark and we love it! Great video💪
Thanks! Hope you're doing well!
I mean Persona 3 exist I thought that game was pretty dark and goes on some deep things about life and death and how we deal with grief some things I can even relate to my personal life
Same. But if you look at the general wish list for Persona 6? Most people want grim dark edge lord crap.
@@ColinLack I mean maybe because I'm still in the age demographic for Persona I guess but I don't know Persona 3 hit me pretty hard to send the fact that I lost my grandma a few years ago and I learned what true grief felt like and Persona 3 hits me hard of the game because you know I've had a lot of people close to me die and I've had to learn how to deal with reflect that is the one thing that still gives me to this day is the part where akihiko friends passes away as I had a friend who died at only 28 so I really related to the messaging and themes of Persona 3 I hate to say that game gives me a bit emotional with the themes cuz it's all realities I've dealt with
@@ColinLack if there's any less than I took from all those experiences and playing Persona 3 itself here's what it says in the beginning of the game remember you will die so you need to enjoy life to your fullest while you have it because it's a gift and for the longest time I didn't view it that way till I experienced all those things for myself why also connected with the P3 protagonist a lot because of that
I connect with the themes as well because of multiple close friends and family have died
No, i think P6 should be the opposite, and be more whimsical and light hearted, with a fairy tale feel. Basically more akin to P4 Golden i.e more light hearted but with a few darker and somber moments
The themes should revolve around nature and environmentalism set in a British inspired rural garden town
I agree! I want whimsical but thought provoking!
I would like to see college students and yeah dark, and these games have always had mature themes
I would like to see at least a few college age characters.
@@ColinLackmaybe 3rd years or fresh out of high school characters
@@akai3974 I like that idea a lot :)
@@ColinLack I hope they use the theme of the 3rd semester of persona 5 royal since I feel like it should have been its own thing
Yeah that would have been great as its own thing
At least darker than 4 maybe
I imagine that would be the case
The Persona games before P6 have always been dark.
Yep! But people don’t seem to realize that!
No they try to tackle dark themes and fail miserably (excluding p1, p2, and p3). This is coming from someone who loves the series btw.
@@HydratedChampionI like p4 seeking out the truth and trusting your inner self but people have different opinions and this is coming from someone who enjoys the series also
@@HydratedChampion I don't know if you love the games. This comment feels more like a fundamentalist evangelical Christian saying they "love" their gay child even though they think they're going to hell. Come on, let's look back at both Persona 2s they're goofy as hell, at the level of Persona 4 even considering all of the Eikichi and Lisa scenes in P2IS and Baofu and Katsuya scenes in P2EP. There is ALWAYs comedic relief in these games (Brown and Masao for example in P1),
it's not my fault if you wanted to ignore the fact that a group of teenagers and a few adults including a Nazi themed rock band member fought a group of astrology themed cosplayers that are inspired by a fictional super sentai super hero group that are the start of a sequence of events containing noodle arm aliens controlled by (not)Hitler who is secretly a tentacle alien god that turns memes into reality scammed a million people in a fictional city in Japan with a wacky book before turning it into a massive UFO and creating the New World Order that is secretly behind a mirror version of the wacky events that occurred in the game prior that only became just margianally less absurd leading to a scenario where no one that died in the previous game is dead in the main timeline.
That's dark as hell man I know I'm so scared and darkened just from recounting that plotline (this is how P2 elitists break down modern Persona games so I decided I could do it to but with this sacred game, I love it but we can NOT treat it as some ultimately superior work just because less people talk about it and makes you feel special). Now let me do the same but in reverse for Persona 5.
You are Slave, Want Emancipation?
Persona 5 is a video game about a prison reality where people are born just die under the foot of those who are more fortunate, the ruler of this reality proves this point by creating the perfect incarnations of the seven deadly sins and placing them in the most conveniant situations as to maximize suffering the most.
The main victims of this ontologically built system of oppression are kids that cannot yet determine their own fates, they and those around them are also made victim to the most heinous of crimes you could imagine through this exploitation of the apathy that is created through the sheer banality of these evil individuals. No one cares unless they themselves or someone they love are the victim, but by that point it's already too late.
A secret group of individuals studying the functionality of reality in an experimental field of scientific study called Cognitive Pscience (a parallel to the real life field of Parapsychology) come across a breakthrough. The son of the most power hungry and egoistic of these agents has the ability to access this previously hypothetical space known as the cognitive world, previously considered a merely subjective world, has objective affects on reality, almost too objective.
With this he can become the most prized individual in the organization, the reason as to why this is is due to one simple fact. His colleague Wakaba Ishiki has made a breakthrough, she figured out how to bring this Cognitive Pscience field to the public and how to make it accessible to the average person. Humanity would be forever changed if this breakthrough was allowed to go public, but the other day that egoistic agent got a phone call asking for that Wakaba Ishiki to be his son's first target, as an experiment.
It turns out this phone call was from a mysterious individual tied to what he knew only publicly as the SIU, in actuality it's really an Antisocial Personality Group (criminal organization) that legaly defends and insures that certain powerful and corrupt members of society can continue with their ill-gained successes uninterrupted and unbothered.
This is what led the young Goro Akechi which he did not raise personally down his inevitable path of corruption. He does not represent any sin in particular yet he represents the ultimate form of suffering, separation/isolotion. Having been neglected at a young age by his dead beat dad his will of rebellion had been to take out his anger onto those in which those above him order him to kill, it's irrational but it keeps him at bay.
Years later the agent now flaunts his money he gained from this secret success and uses it to party. One night while really drunk after almost having sexually assaulted who had to have been his sixtieth person in this lifetime one curious country boy decided to but in and ruin the fun. "Damn brat I'll sue!". That boy was arrested and put on probation just because he couldn't mind his own business. If only there were something he could do to make all of this fair.
Oh wait, the human soul has access to unlimited potential and can do many wondrous things (just as seen with the IS cast creating an entirely new timeline, Randolph Carter single handedly imprisoning Nyarlathotep a long time ago, Makoto Yuki along with SEES defying the request of Erebus to Nyx down onto humanity's Collective Unconscious, Yu Narukami overwriting humanity's will to hide behind comfortable lies that allow murders and sexual assaults to take place uncorrected, etc.) singehandedly harnessing a specific emotion or thought pattern allows a group of individuals to work together and become bonded through even the toughest of struggles.
The Will of Rebellion in this specific case being the perfect channel to correct the egregious wrongs of this world. The hope of humanity was created to facilitate the fostering of this pure Will of Rebellion so that humanity could subconsciously come together to overthrow their overlord in their own unique ways. This will of Rebellion would then create a world that is not really a prison but moreso a school where humanity can learn from their mistakes on their own and progressively get better without having to be controlled.
But after all that, at the end of the day Persona 5 is just Lupin III x Death Note x JoJo's Bizarre Adventure x Jungian Psychology made into a 120+ hour video game
Persona 4 would like a word with you.
Persona 6 will be as dark as any anime rpg tarket toward Japanese teens will be
For sure. It's just a case of seeing the fanbase discussing it and wanting to weigh in with my own thoughts.
I mean... people die in all persona games so depends on what people mean by "dark"?
Exactly
Green is a positive color. It should be darker than p4 but less than p5
That would certainly work!
I watched thr vid anyway. I'll leave up my first comment for the algorithm tho
Thanks I appreciate that :)
Great video, Colin! When have you seen burnout and disillusionment from characters in a Persona game before, out of curiosity?
Frequently. But I can't say because it would spoil the games for people.
@@ColinLack That's fair.
@@SilverStonefish so yeah just do some research or play them :P
@@ColinLack I'll consider maybe watching some gameplay via playthroughs/walkthroughs.
@@SilverStonefish cool
I would like Persona 6 to be about sleep and dreams, and that we can enter each other's dreams and stuff, that would be amazing
So basically using a similar narrative framing as Catherine?
@@ColinLack Yeah, something like That
@jatlistheoctopusofficial I would be interested in that
@@ColinLack hell Yeah
Does this have spoilers for Royal? I've played original P5. I know it's like 4 years old, but I've been doing this thing where I'm playing every MegaTen game in order and I'm only just now getting to Royal spoiler free.
It's spoiler free. All of my content is unless I say there are spoilers :)
Darker sounds better to me but what I want most is young adults or older so we can explore deeper human psychology and situations than teens issues and friendship power. If they keep the high school setting can we at least have an older character like a teacher joining the group ...
I get where you're coming from. Though I would argue some of the deeper issues are reserved for SMT. I get the feeling Metaphor is going to be the middle ground.
A lot of ideas I see get passed around for P6 end up being rewashed plot points that other games already addressed. I would be interested in something more vague or unexpected. The code name "Carbon" along with the color green lead me to believe it's something environmental.
I definitely think environmental would be a great choice!
Should Persona 6 take a darker tone and change up the formula since last time? Yes absolutely I hope we see more variation. Sadness, Happiness, Frustration, And now hopefully fear
Those could all be cool themes to cover!
i descibe these games as easy on the fingers but hard on the mind
That's a cool way to do it!
Anyone who thinks the Persona games haven't always been dark either haven't played them, or hasn't been paying attention.
No kidding!
Of course, but not only dark. The Persona games have been great at capturing a lot of everything.
Exactly! That’s why Persona is such a special franchise!
I trust Atlus. JUST GIVE ME P6 ALREADY 😫😫
I imagine we're going to see it within Q2 or Q3 next year
How dark are Persona 1,2 and the spin-offs?
Pretty dark
Here
How would you make it dark
Ofc
What topics and themes would you like to see them cover
P3 seemed a bit too dark for me
Just play it man. It's not super crazy dark. Just the darkest mainstream Persona game.
@@ColinLack why so
@@peculiar_pharaoh P3 really isn't that dark when considered as a whole. It deals with mature themes like the unforgiving nature of death, grief, regret, etc. but ultimately it carries a very positive message of living life to it's fullest while acknowledging that one day you will pass on from this world. It certainly has its heavy moments, but its presentation as a whole (especially in reload with its more saturated artstyle) doesn't give me the impression that the game is broody or "dark" but more so melancholic in tone imo
@sonarufa480 I agree with you! It’s more melancholic