Adam Mackey Smith you are correct about sheeting and halyard lines over the solar panels. any individual panel lacking output affects the total panel plan unless you go to the expense of separating the charging on each individual panel. 1 line accross the series of a few cells reduces the solar panel by an incredible amount.
love the no-nonsense layout of things on this boat. seen how space is at a premium on a boat that's on the 'small' side, rather than having a grill and sink on the aft deck I'd much rather see the volume made into one large trunk, to store such things as scuba tanks and a compressor - already have a sink and cooker in the saloon, feet away! HH are smart enough not to duplicate showers - they might consider doing something similar here!
Wiley Sharp Catamaran Expert Now take that design and make it in a shorter owners version. Maybe not all the bells and whisels. This blows my budget by a whole much! 🥂
Randi Cook if I had 0 living expenses and 0 taxes every dollar I ever made still wouldn't be enough to buy one much less pay docking and maintenance. sure nice to look at though lol!!😊
@@catamarancentral Dear Wiley! Nobody talks about size of the beds! I think the beds are too small on this boat! The normal bed sizing for me 160-180 x 210-220 cm! Ok, i am 193 cm. :-D But so strange nobody and never talk about the size of beds! :/ Maybe you can do this in the next videos! :) Best Regards! James!
Hola Mr. Sharp. May this catamaran is in the same range of the new Mcconghy 50 and the Swisscat 48 and maybe catana 53? All of them seems to be very performance with carbon fiber structure. Anyaway this is a beautiful vessel, thank you for sharing with us.
Nice but the hulls look pretty narrow, none of the beds are walk around so you are sliding to/from the front of the bed to get in/out. Didn't look like there was much closet space either. I like the large windows in aft berths but imagine in the tropics they will get really hot..
Hey Wiley...if someone handed you $2,000,000 and told you to go buy a your *dream catamaran* ~ and would pay for your expenses to sail around the world for a year, which one do you go with and why?
Asim Ayyubi is that just the fuel cost or the cost + maintenance of the generator as well? Also means you’re tied to a schedule which has enough fuel stops ok the way not to mention how loud running a lot of gen sets is.....plus you know.....the fate of the planet
I know I said that I thought I liked the HH, but as stated in another post it seems narrow. Does the 66/77 have the more narrow hulls as well? Or will you comprise speed for luxury on the larger ones? One question I have that was asked here is, is there an owners version for the 55+ I agree that I, as an owner, would not like to share my head (get your mind out of the gutter) and have them have their own space away from me.
Which one would you consider to be the mater, or owner’s state room? If I was the owner I would definitely want a separate head, and shower. Wast that a port under the stairs I saw?
One of the best layout. where are the engines? Is there an option for hybrid. You know, it make sense in a boat like this. they have the best solarpanels "solbian", this panels are not the same like in normal house. it is a littlebit different(shadow from the sails and they work!!!!)
You were doing so good for a while! What's the price? Like another commenter pointed out, I'm interested if they have new solar technology onboard. All the solar research I've done says any shadow on a panel will significantly reduce its output. Since this is only hull #2, it's very likely they haven't worked out all the bugs. 18 knots is impressive!
Amazes me that most cats have independent heads and showers for each "room". Do builders anticipate that passengers will spend most of their time taking showers and crapping? There's gotta be better design ideas for more efficient use of the space.
Hey Wiley Vegas Bill we talked a couple times awesome looking boat I don't know if I'd want to share a shower with somebody else but I gave you a voicemail on something I was looking for as wondering if you knew what I was talking about talk to you later
OK. Back to reality. The wife and I will be in touch in 3 1/2 years when the kids graduate high school. Granted, we will have much less than 4M. Fair winds.
Actually, with all the bells and whistles the HH55 (as shown) retails for approx. $2.8M. We are building a 50' that will come in at about $1.8M fully optioned. Food for thought... Hope to hear from you in a few years :)
You can always check the ratings boat's have !! You can sail many boat's short handed, if you got the experience. I think you should look at this video "The Philosophy of sailing" Hawaii return 2017. A fun 75 year old sailor, who don't have to impress anyone. Take the 9 min it takes to see the video. Then you will see how most people are sailing around the world. Have a great day 👋
There is no getting away from the fact that China have a reputation for producing very sub standard things in general, Maybe the laminates and carbon fiber are made well, but what about the nuts & bolts, all those chines made electrical contacts and jubilee clips etc holding things together etc. I wouldn't feel safe flying on a Chinese built Jet or trust a Chinese made wrist watch to last as long as a Rolex.
no so sure about the salon looks more like a office to me especially for 2018 model i much prefer a privilege 585 2006 12 years younger and more wow factor :)
Solar is designed to have the sun shine on them. Even partial shadowing of a single cell reduces the power delivered off the whole row that cell is on.
Those are Solbian SP panels. They have integrated active bipass diodes that minimize the effects of partial shading. You pay a lot more for those panels, but I've seen tests performed on them and lines running across the panel will have little effect on their output.
Yeah, definitely stupid design, especially for boat from this price range. These lines must be recessed UNDER the panels, and panels should have hinges - to pick them up if line inspection or replacement is needed.
Noticed this myself, cover any cells and the panels performance drops dramatically. Tbf tho that attention to detail or rather the total lack of it shows throughout the boat.
Seriously?!?! That's your response to Andrew's legitimate observation regarding most every solar panel known to man? And you're in Yacht sales? You do realize that most people who are going to purchase a boat like this will make this and many other observations. You should probably come up with a more informed response meant to address the statement and explain it intelligently without a hint of sarcasm. Incidentally, as an electrical engineer dealing with solar electrical designs frequently, I can also add that I would have designed in an air gap between the solar panel and the hull that it's adhered to. Solar panels need to dissipate heat for continued stated efficiency. So, as far as the design and installation of this solar system, I would not pay a penny for it because somewhere down the road, the new owner will have to pay a small fortune to someone to retrofit in a system that actually functions as it should. "Scuttle the whole boat" you said in jest. But this one serious flaw makes me wonder what other flaws are embedded within this design and build. I say this with certain authority since I have the means and am in the market for boat like this but not This one.
Sounds Legit.. I got banned from S/A because as it's rife with a bunch of P.C. trolling idiots. I have no love for S/A but i digress.. Peter Johnstone (IMO) did too much too soon. I'm not sure where his company went off the rails (financially) but it's really a crying shame ..It upsets me to this day.. . Some of the best boat designs in the world were spawned here in the U.S.A.
A popular myth perpetuated by Gunboat fanboys, but not true. Nothing was stolen. The company is Taiwanese. The designers are Californian (MM also designed the HH Catamarans.) Take a look through the SA chat forums to really see what Peter Johnstone did to those who trusted him with their cash.
To be fair, the term "stolen" is sometimes mis-appropriated. However, it is true that many (Asian) based companies have seldom come up with their own (original) designs. They often make "knock offs" or copies of just about everything and then undercut the competition. Suffice to say the HH designs look too much the M&M Peter Johnstone's designs which were unique to him and his company. As for being a "Fanboy" there isn't anything wrong with being a fanboy .. you love what you love... But The HH 66 looks very much like a GB 66 knock off. Re using a design then slapping another label on it can calling it "original" is not disingenuous, its a shoddy and immoral business practice IMO. Personally I prefer the TAG-60 and Chris White designs myself. . The HH66 looks like a variation of the GB Morrelli&Melvin design is too much of a similarity to be a coincidence.
So, classic Chinese quality, boats fall apart, HH doesn't do the warranty work, shorts gunboat production by two, and then starts building knockoffs...
Nice boat with great attention to detail. But they lack forward facing seating in the saloon, andl the sheets running through jammers is dangerous in a boat designed to do 20+ knots ( an unfortunate trait of production boats ). So if you want a real blue water cruising cat go custom made...
Very nice, and only one "Pano" call out, Which by the way what you are calling out as a "Pano", (panoramic) shot is in all actuality just a "sweeping" shot since the lens on the DSLR camera you're using is merely a 4:3 aspect ratio and not 4:1 Panoramic lens aspect ratio not to mention a single frame of panoramic lens has a 160 degree field of view. Meaning one frame of a "Pano" shot would encompass everything visible from the begging of your sweeping shot to the end of it, like the peephole in your front door except with a thinner upper and lower viewing limit. You could call it a "Sweepo" shot. That would definitively justify the super coolness of your edgy persona... along with not having to button up your shirt.
to add this is former gunboat - the company basically was bankrupt in a sense of all people left - unbearable management - aggressive unprofessional - so basically the right for the hull shape stayed - and a little e australian crew tries to carry on simply because the taiwanese owner is paying a nice salary - if you hear them talking or see them at the boatshows you simply realize they have nothing to do with sailing - hard try - yacht production is a dedication a culture - and hard core engineering ! i would never !rent such a boat - uncertified - besides that the design is totally outdated - and very bad in detail - and quality - lets see what the french can do with the core idea - not sure if it will be much better -
there is a reason why the designers left the company - its produced in xiamen - not reliable factory - carbon needs a very special work ethics and professional knowledge ! its not given in that factory - so they moved away - and the entire company was bought by the french - now produced in france the rest of the kind of fake proud crew - including the taiwanese owner - who became simply rich by producing cheap fake leather baseball bags - stayed in xiamen - altogether they produced may be 10 boats - if you look at the boats after 6-12 month the entire gel coating is already broken - details are terrible - and i doubt that its fun for the western people to work in such a slave driven company - simply fake -
Adam Mackey Smith you are correct about sheeting and halyard lines over the solar panels. any individual panel lacking output affects the total panel plan unless you go to the expense of separating the charging on each individual panel. 1 line accross the series of a few cells reduces the solar panel by an incredible amount.
wow, my oldest comment is two years old, and still no other cat in this class comes near, in my view. I loooooove this cat!
Email me for pricing and to place your order.
I would like to see more shared shower stalls in 4 cabin boats. It's something I've often wondered about converting to in an older boat.
I've rolled back n forth on those shared showers, but ultimately I like the idea. So much real estate invested in bathrooms on modern boats.
Best video showing the new salon layout. Excellent. Thank you.
love the no-nonsense layout of things on this boat. seen how space is at a premium on a boat that's on the 'small' side, rather than having a grill and sink on the aft deck I'd much rather see the volume made into one large trunk, to store such things as scuba tanks and a compressor - already have a sink and cooker in the saloon, feet away! HH are smart enough not to duplicate showers - they might consider doing something similar here!
One of the first two boats I ran to see. Really looking forward to seeing the specs on the new HH48
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Great looking cat although the lines on the solar panels ain't so great. Shadowing over just one cell and you loose charging. Thanks Wiley
wonder whether HH would consider sticking the galley in an aft cabin...
If you dream they will build it. That being said, it'll cost you.
Awesome design!
Wiley Sharp Catamaran Expert
Now take that design and make it in a shorter owners version. Maybe not all the bells and whisels. This blows my budget by a whole much! 🥂
Randi Cook if I had 0 living expenses and 0 taxes every dollar I ever made still wouldn't be enough to buy one much less pay docking and maintenance. sure nice to look at though lol!!😊
Great Boat, great video, thanks for sharing.
@@catamarancentral
Dear Wiley!
Nobody talks about size of the beds!
I think the beds are too small on this boat!
The normal bed sizing for me 160-180 x 210-220 cm!
Ok, i am 193 cm. :-D
But so strange nobody and never talk about the size of beds! :/
Maybe you can do this in the next videos! :)
Best Regards!
James!
Very nice layout!! Thanks for sharing, Wiley! 😍⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
*Gorgeous design just beautiful thought out.*
Hola Mr. Sharp. May this catamaran is in the same range of the new Mcconghy 50 and the Swisscat 48 and maybe catana 53? All of them seems to be very performance with carbon fiber structure. Anyaway this is a beautiful vessel, thank you for sharing with us.
Nice life you have Wiley.
One word... WOW!!!
Hoping to get on one at Annapolis.
Nice but the hulls look pretty narrow, none of the beds are walk around so you are sliding to/from the front of the bed to get in/out. Didn't look like there was much closet space either. I like the large windows in aft berths but imagine in the tropics they will get really hot..
I believe it's the price you pay for the performance. Literally 18 knots with these beds or 9 with walkaround ones :-)
Hey Wiley...if someone handed you $2,000,000 and told you to go buy a your *dream catamaran* ~ and would pay for your expenses to sail around the world for a year, which one do you go with and why?
I notice that the lines are on top of the solar panels.
Very good presentation.
And the solar panels brings enough power for all of the electric om board?
Asim Ayyubi is that just the fuel cost or the cost + maintenance of the generator as well? Also means you’re tied to a schedule which has enough fuel stops ok the way not to mention how loud running a lot of gen sets is.....plus you know.....the fate of the planet
Thanks P.C Principal
A nice bedroom or speed. Buying a cat next year and I still can't decide.
Love the HH Design --- Great Cat ...
The HH49 in the configuration of the 55 - now that would definitely be the one I would go for ... :-)
Great - tks for the info --- that will make it easier on the pocket :-) Love your vids - thanks Wiley !!!
I know I said that I thought I liked the HH, but as stated in another post it seems narrow. Does the 66/77 have the more narrow hulls as well? Or will you comprise speed for luxury on the larger ones?
One question I have that was asked here is, is there an owners version for the 55+ I agree that I, as an owner, would not like to share my head (get your mind out of the gutter) and have them have their own space away from me.
I dont understand how all the lines can come back to both helms. Don't the sides interfere with each other?
Which one would you consider to be the mater, or owner’s state room? If I was the owner I would definitely want a separate head, and shower.
Wast that a port under the stairs I saw?
Ah, the toys we have today. I like cats but the Boss´s cabin is always lacking. The Serie 6 and up do a great job of a master suite.
I don't like the aft helms , I really like the in cabin helm ,it's just awsome , please don't change
Nice boat , but small gally . Looking for one which is s tad bigger than this with a extra birth ,
Thanks for sharing 😎
This is a good reason for me to get rich :)
Is that glass between the stairs? 5:34
And if it is, did you just over look it, or is it an everyday thing on catamarans within this dollar figure?
michael575538 : escape window....in the unlikely possibility that the cat knock out.
Thank you. There are too many options out there. Almost bought a Bavaria 542. Ill buy one of these.
Very nice. Should have walked through one of the heads though to show more detail.
One of the best layout. where are the engines? Is there an option for hybrid. You know, it make sense in a boat like this. they have the best solarpanels "solbian", this panels are not the same like in normal house. it is a littlebit different(shadow from the sails and they work!!!!)
Are dread nought bows a fashion trend or are there valid reasons for them?
Are those made in China?
Yes sir.
Yes, what's the price tag? I see you're not answering you TH-cam constituency.
www.cruisingworld.com/hh55-catamaran-review/ here u go big price but this link answers your question
The one thing I wished he would've done was when he was on top deck would've pointed the camera looking up at the mast
How much a boat like this is worth ? thx
nice video mate. what is the song?
You were doing so good for a while! What's the price?
Like another commenter pointed out, I'm interested if they have new solar technology onboard. All the solar research I've done says any shadow on a panel will significantly reduce its output. Since this is only hull #2, it's very likely they haven't worked out all the bugs.
18 knots is impressive!
Wiley Sharp, I guess I'll let you off the hook then. You've been doing good putting prices and specs up.
well you can easy say "this boat price start at xxxUS$" ;)
Amazes me that most cats have independent heads and showers for each "room". Do builders anticipate that passengers will spend most of their time taking showers and crapping? There's gotta be better design ideas for more efficient use of the space.
I agree. 4 and 5 room cats having 4 and 5 bathrooms with showers is just unnecessary and a waste of space.
Hey Wiley Vegas Bill we talked a couple times awesome looking boat I don't know if I'd want to share a shower with somebody else but I gave you a voicemail on something I was looking for as wondering if you knew what I was talking about talk to you later
Price is ??????????????
3-4M Eur
What is the asking price?
What's the Price Tag?
I know, I know, "if ya gotta ask, you can't afford it", but I'm still curious. What's the price range?
OK. Back to reality. The wife and I will be in touch in 3 1/2 years when the kids graduate high school. Granted, we will have much less than 4M. Fair winds.
Per Cruising World's boat of the year competition, with their standard configuration the HH55 comes in at $2.7M and the HH66 is $4.1M
Thanks Mr. Banks.
In moments of frustration my wife has used the term "boarding school" when arguing with the kids . . . maybe she's onto something!
Actually, with all the bells and whistles the HH55 (as shown) retails for approx. $2.8M. We are building a 50' that will come in at about $1.8M fully optioned. Food for thought... Hope to hear from you in a few years :)
Lines run right over the top of solar panels!?! With a mistake that obvious you have to wonder what else they missed...
how do you change the sheets on the beds??
ed plow : if you can afford that kind of boat, it’s the maid problem....
Do they make the 66 in the same layout ?
Have you have and idea of monthly note on this ?
Everything appears to be built into a composite frame so there are no noticeable add on's.
love to pay for it ! Can't afford it yet.
Would this boat be capable of circumnavigation safely?
You can always check the ratings boat's have !!
You can sail many boat's short handed, if you got the experience.
I think you should look at this video "The Philosophy of sailing"
Hawaii return 2017. A fun 75 year old sailor, who don't have to impress anyone.
Take the 9 min it takes to see the video.
Then you will see how most people are sailing around the world.
Have a great day 👋
Power? Solar capabilities?
There is no getting away from the fact that China have a reputation for producing very sub standard things in general, Maybe the laminates and carbon fiber are made well, but what about the nuts & bolts, all those chines made electrical contacts and jubilee clips etc holding things together etc.
I wouldn't feel safe flying on a Chinese built Jet or trust a Chinese made wrist watch to last as long as a Rolex.
Thanks @klaus baller
Nice catamaran. What's playing in the background?
2and half million right?
what is price of the 2018HH carbon catamaran ?
JERRIE DENISE Blue more then you can afford pal.
no so sure about the salon looks more like a office to me especially for 2018 model i much prefer a privilege 585 2006 12 years younger and more wow factor :)
lol i'm a carbon fiber weaver my plant prolly made the fabric for this boat
Lookz liek Rio from Vice City in the thumbnail
Solar specs?
lol, all those lines over the solar panels. may as well just leave them out.
Solar is designed to have the sun shine on them. Even partial shadowing of a single cell reduces the power delivered off the whole row that cell is on.
Those are Solbian SP panels. They have integrated active bipass diodes that minimize the effects of partial shading. You pay a lot more for those panels, but I've seen tests performed on them and lines running across the panel will have little effect on their output.
Yeah, definitely stupid design, especially for boat from this price range. These lines must be recessed UNDER the panels, and panels should have hinges - to pick them up if line inspection or replacement is needed.
Noticed this myself, cover any cells and the panels performance drops dramatically. Tbf tho that attention to detail or rather the total lack of it shows throughout the boat.
Seriously?!?! That's your response to Andrew's legitimate observation regarding most every solar panel known to man? And you're in Yacht sales? You do realize that most people who are going to purchase a boat like this will make this and many other observations. You should probably come up with a more informed response meant to address the statement and explain it intelligently without a hint of sarcasm.
Incidentally, as an electrical engineer dealing with solar electrical designs frequently, I can also add that I would have designed in an air gap between the solar panel and the hull that it's adhered to. Solar panels need to dissipate heat for continued stated efficiency. So, as far as the design and installation of this solar system, I would not pay a penny for it because somewhere down the road, the new owner will have to pay a small fortune to someone to retrofit in a system that actually functions as it should.
"Scuttle the whole boat" you said in jest. But this one serious flaw makes me wonder what other flaws are embedded within this design and build. I say this with certain authority since I have the means and am in the market for boat like this but not This one.
catamaran lindo , cade a protecao para o piloto !!!!!!!!!! na chuva , a noite !!!!
How much $$
Def a performance cat, def not much storage space. Not a great live aboard, still nice tho if you want to race lol
0:40 I'm sorry but those tiniest steps ever look like a massive safety hazard for any rough seas and the lack of proper railing on deck is a big nono.
Are they competing with GunBoat ?
Sounds Legit..
I got banned from S/A because as it's rife with a bunch of P.C. trolling idiots. I have no love for S/A but i digress.. Peter Johnstone (IMO) did too much too soon. I'm not sure where his company went off the rails (financially) but it's really a crying shame ..It upsets me to this day.. . Some of the best boat designs in the world were spawned here in the U.S.A.
What, a Chinese company copying / stealing designs? I have have never heard of that in my life!
Luc Mula true story ...
A popular myth perpetuated by Gunboat fanboys, but not true. Nothing was stolen. The company is Taiwanese. The designers are Californian (MM also designed the HH Catamarans.) Take a look through the SA chat forums to really see what Peter Johnstone did to those who trusted him with their cash.
To be fair, the term "stolen" is sometimes mis-appropriated. However, it is true that many (Asian) based companies have seldom come up with their own (original) designs. They often make "knock offs" or copies of just about everything and then undercut the competition. Suffice to say the HH designs look too much the M&M Peter Johnstone's designs which were unique to him and his company. As for being a "Fanboy" there isn't anything wrong with being a fanboy .. you love what you love... But The HH 66 looks very much like a GB 66 knock off. Re using a design then slapping another label on it can calling it "original" is not disingenuous, its a shoddy and immoral business practice IMO.
Personally I prefer the TAG-60 and Chris White designs myself. . The HH66 looks like a variation of the GB Morrelli&Melvin design is too much of a similarity to be a coincidence.
So, classic Chinese quality, boats fall apart, HH doesn't do the warranty work, shorts gunboat production by two, and then starts building knockoffs...
Wiley Sharp Catamaran Expert so start talking then? What is the story? I hear it's a good one... LMAO
Is there a 3 room owner's version?
A boat is a dream, dreams shouldn't be made in china.
Made in China?
That solar is completely useless with all those lines running across it.
There is a loss of efficiency, but not a total loss
@@catamarancentral ... a *huge* loss of efficiency...
The boat looks kinda plain, not really luxurious....
Did Stevie Wonder design this? It might be quick in the water for a cat but that layouts a joke!
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Hey
Nice boat with great attention to detail. But they lack forward facing seating in the saloon, andl the sheets running through jammers is dangerous in a boat designed to do 20+ knots ( an unfortunate trait of production boats ). So if you want a real blue water cruising cat go custom made...
Very nice, and only one "Pano" call out, Which by the way what you are calling out as a "Pano", (panoramic) shot is in all actuality just a "sweeping" shot since the lens on the DSLR camera you're using is merely a 4:3 aspect ratio and not 4:1 Panoramic lens aspect ratio not to mention a single frame of panoramic lens has a 160 degree field of view. Meaning one frame of a "Pano" shot would encompass everything visible from the begging of your sweeping shot to the end of it, like the peephole in your front door except with a thinner upper and lower viewing limit.
You could call it a "Sweepo" shot. That would definitively justify the super coolness of your edgy persona... along with not having to button up your shirt.
I'd prefer drawings and numbers.
displacement
You don't need the music takes away from your commentary
For 55' it's cramped, especially in the hulls. So much wasted space in the salon. Too expensive for what it offers.
Prof. Michael O. Zeee JCD ECS
Yup. That’s the issue with “performance” models
to add this is former gunboat - the company basically was bankrupt in a sense of all people left - unbearable management - aggressive unprofessional - so basically the right for the hull shape stayed - and a little e australian crew tries to carry on simply because the taiwanese owner is paying a nice salary - if you hear them talking or see them at the boatshows you simply realize they have nothing to do with sailing - hard try - yacht production is a dedication a culture - and hard core engineering ! i would never !rent such a boat - uncertified - besides that the design is totally outdated - and very bad in detail - and quality -
lets see what the french can do with the core idea - not sure if it will be much better -
* @ off my mark...
there is a reason why the designers left the company - its produced in xiamen - not reliable factory - carbon needs a very special work ethics and professional knowledge ! its not given in that factory - so they moved away - and the entire company was bought by the french - now produced in france the rest of the kind of fake proud crew - including the taiwanese owner - who became simply rich by producing cheap fake leather baseball bags - stayed in xiamen - altogether they produced may be 10 boats - if you look at the boats after 6-12 month the entire gel coating is already broken - details are terrible - and i doubt that its fun for the western people to work in such a slave driven company - simply fake -
Cc
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who the hell are those stragglers on the boat lol gtfo
......... MADE IN CHINA....... BOO!
Zzzz. Not the boat
min 3:44 its "made in CHINA" :P
中國廈門製造，設計老土。毫無現代感。
美国设计，daggerboard catamarans 都是高速船，船体狭窄，daggerboard占空间，给设计师发挥的余地有限