It was pretty trash in that it had pretty much no impact. It placed no pressure and then simply removed after a few turns from AoE. Trump would've lost the game if he didn't get to entomb Yogg and then praise him.
But to evaluate the card you need to ask what it's replacement would've accomplished in the same game. Barnes could've given more Discover value. You saw what happened the next game. He discovered a Chromaggus with Brann. I think the value of Moroes is not worth the cost of how slow the value comes. It's an interesting card but just meh.
Trey Grosvenor It's situationally useful, just like many other legendaries in the game. Believe me, I tried to make it work, but it's just too much of a tempo loss the turn you play it.
At 14:27, I don't get why he didn't attack on face with the T. Guardian. Plus, he could develop more minions that could be resistant to AoE (Blackwing Technician would be a 3/5, and the opponent would need Flamestrike with +1 spell damage - a good pressure move vs a hard combo to have at such a late stage in the game, and even then Trump would have an extra Technician at hand).
not sure why you included moroes, I used him to see why but its really useless, yes its like having the paladin button every turn for free, but its not very big for board presence especially if the deck doesnt have an cards to make it worth while like abusive or dark iron
Because value, and Trump is biased toward value, being the Mayor of Value Town. Deep in his heart he knows it's not good though. He just wants to find a good home for the card.
Does anyone know what tracker Trump uses? I've been using innkeeper but it doesn't keep track of entomb and cards that add things to your deck and I noticed his tracker showed that he had 2 sylvannas when he entombed.
How do you all feel about dragon priest vs dragon pally? I personally have been trying out dragon pally and even though I don't have chillmaw or trion (ufortuantely) I still love the deck, and have had some sucess.
The opponent cast blessing of wisdom on it so he was debating whether or not he wanted to draw his opponent a card by attacking (fatigue). He decided he didn't want the opponent to draw a card so he didn't attack.
Times Brann would've been better, or more useful than Moroes: 7:25 Brann + Azure, draw second card, live through lightning storm and have lethal 1 turn earlier. 23:24 Brann + Shield, later get a 4/6 Twilight Guardian, which doesn't die to bookwyrm and lives through elemental destruction.
Would you say dragons priest beats dragons paladin? I play a lot of dragons decks since the synergy was added (including very gimmicky ones, like dragons rogue... surprisingly not too bad!), and most of the time I disagree when people say dragons priest is better. I like dragons paladin much more, just because of the Consort that allows to put the synergy into overdrive... and besides, dragons paladin now has some interesting cards to play early.
lost 10 games straight, many times I was at half health by turn four. Too much fast aggro and this deck doesn't have much in the way of clears since it doesn't have excavated evil or auchenai+circle or even a pyromancer. it doesn't even have much in the way of healing so shamans, hunters, druids, mages can burst you down from half even if you manage to stabilize on the board.
Honestly they're nowhere near as bad as they're made out to be. It's just a combination of Priest always playing slow games which makes ladder climbing slow, and their winrate being slightly lower than other classes at high levels.
Yeah, it IS back in standard! But guess what? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BACK IN WILD BOIS! *IT NEVER LEFT BECAUSE WE DON'T LOSE CARDS LIKE ARSEHOLES!* YEAH BEST FORMAT WOOOO!
Yeah..... but the bullshit in standard gets mixed in with the bullshit in wild..... you guys get double the bullshit..... then again that's my opinion.....
Rubix Cube It cancels it out. You have so much choice in building decks that are all so strong that it doesn;t feel like you're getting beaten down by the same bullshit over and over again, because you're not! Nobody plays it so nobody is net decking because there are no decks on the net! It's a bastion of deckbuilding skill, something that doesn;t exist in standard. Where theres only a couple meta decks
nah, when you have sludge belcher, chows and healbot, you can finally build control in every class. the only real antagonist is Secret Pally, but Priest, Freeze Mage and even Malygod Shaman just dismantles that.
+Rubix Cube after Playing only Standard since the release of it wild format really is much more enjoyable. Been playing it for Few Days now and I Haven't really seen any aggro decks.
5:05 misplay - Trump should've attacked first and then Holy Nova'd so the Twilight Guardian would have 1 extra health. Pretty big deal because otherwise it wouldn't have died to Azure Drake.
I made a dragon priest deck this morning and I made the exact same conclusions as trump... I should put in brann with netherspite I do feel bad about having only 2 four drops though
Well Shadow word: Despair from the original warcraft TCG that hearthstone was based from was a 1 mana deal two damage to your opponent and they mill 2.
Hi, it seems you're new here Trump doesnt actually answer any comments here, if ever, it would his editor, Jens. If anything, visit his twitch, he has a FAQ on it
come on trump, use your hero power when you have mana to spare. you never know when your opponent is going to play nexus champion Saraad, hero power, mulch, and give you a frost giant.
All of these comments immediately trashing moroes. And I totally understand, I don't really like it either. But that game against mage was INSANE value. If I was more awake I'd count up all the pings spent on the 1/1's, not even counting the arcane blast 'wasted' on one. In a class with no chance of a ping, and relatively weak single-target damage (smite being the only cheap one, then you jump to holy fire), I can see his value.
With my Dragon Priest deck, which has substantially less late game in order to run 2 Holy Nova and 2 Excavated Evils, I still lost to 3 aggro decks in a row while drawing good curves. I can't imagine this deck doing any better with the dragon discovery card (way too slow in the only meta that ever exists in Hearthstone {SMOrc SMOrc SMOrc SMOrc}) and not even 1 Excavated Evil, oh and only 1 Shadow Word Pain. Winning against aggro with the deck Trump is using is all luck, if they get a good draw he'll lose almost every game.
gotta wonder why trump didnt just drop deathwing on turn 10 after he saw the polymorph especially when he had both ysera and chillmaw in hand.... i feel like the game vs the reno mage was long for no reason at all
Tyler H yea sure but he even played ysera itself... seems senseless to me deathwing also pops block anyway, would have just meant reno heals for 18 instead of 29.... a completely meaningless difference
Look at that Moroes - Chilledmaw combo.
22:10 that Yogg-Saron laugh (If it is him laughing) is truly chilling.
It is, original audio from his encounter in WoW. It's amazing.
oh :D I though it was ben brode
On this day, I saw Moroes actually be good. Surely, such a blessed event can never come again.
It was pretty trash in that it had pretty much no impact. It placed no pressure and then simply removed after a few turns from AoE. Trump would've lost the game if he didn't get to entomb Yogg and then praise him.
LiiChinHo It basically gave him a free mage hero power per turn. That's OK. The real problem is, best-case Moroes is "OK".
You mean a free guy. every turn get 2 mana 1/1 for free. Value town
But to evaluate the card you need to ask what it's replacement would've accomplished in the same game. Barnes could've given more Discover value.
You saw what happened the next game. He discovered a Chromaggus with Brann.
I think the value of Moroes is not worth the cost of how slow the value comes. It's an interesting card but just meh.
Madness has consumed Jens!
Nice editing.
Moroes is the best Dragon in the deck.
In Warcraft's Lore, Moroes is the most powerful dragon in Azeroth.
+Álvaro Peralta WTF no? Morgl the Oracle is the most powerful dragon
You need to brush up on your lore, everyone knows Morgl is a Titan.
+Fengar Dragon Murloc Titan Old God Dragon Aspect*
Trump puts so much faith in moroes to the point where it's almost annoying
Not almost, it is annoying. :P
Replacing Priest of the Feast instead of Moroes... smh
it won him that game. everyone says it is horrible and he makes it work
Trey Grosvenor It's situationally useful, just like many other legendaries in the game. Believe me, I tried to make it work, but it's just too much of a tempo loss the turn you play it.
The card is terrible, there's no way around it. He's the only one that thinks it's good
Great tension yogg's Jens nice to see edited clips :)
At 14:27, I don't get why he didn't attack on face with the T. Guardian. Plus, he could develop more minions that could be resistant to AoE (Blackwing Technician would be a 3/5, and the opponent would need Flamestrike with +1 spell damage - a good pressure move vs a hard combo to have at such a late stage in the game, and even then Trump would have an extra Technician at hand).
not sure why you included moroes, I used him to see why but its really useless, yes its like having the paladin button every turn for free, but its not very big for board presence especially if the deck doesnt have an cards to make it worth while like abusive or dark iron
Because value, and Trump is biased toward value, being the Mayor of Value Town. Deep in his heart he knows it's not good though. He just wants to find a good home for the card.
14:33 why didn't he attack face with guardian? Did I miss something?
This season card back is so cool
The best one so far
He wasn't using the season's cardback though, that one is for Heroic.
The one in the thumbnail?
Vexious Bear Ah, didn't even remember there is a cardback in the thumbnail. Now that I see it, it looks really cool.
It's called *LEGION* for all of you who don't know :P
Im confused, why is he not hitting face woth drake at 15:40?
always wanted to play dragons... how essential are the epic twilight guardians and ysera though...
I legit thought that laugh at 22:10 was Ben Brode having a good cackle.
What would be a good replacement for Chillmaw ? Alexstrasza ? Nefarian ?
Bow down before the editing of Jens
Song used on Yogg action? :D
Darud.... ehm..
I dare you..
DUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUD
+Razertire DARUDE SAMDSTORM
I'm curious as well...
Does anyone know what tracker Trump uses? I've been using innkeeper but it doesn't keep track of entomb and cards that add things to your deck and I noticed his tracker showed that he had 2 sylvannas when he entombed.
hey trump any alternatives for ysera, sylvanas and chill maw? i aint got those lol
@jens @trumpsc the links are missing at the end of the video
what thing does he use to get the yogg counter and decklist and winrate
Guys I'm confused, what is Aleppos?
It's a place in Gary Johnson
It's a magical place, where 3rd party candidates are relevant
What could I put instead of Chillmaw and maybe Moroes?
is this deck viable on ladder? and after the rotation?
Any suggestions to replace Chillmaw?
Any budget type of this deck?
How do I get that overlay you have for Hearth?
How do you all feel about dragon priest vs dragon pally? I personally have been trying out dragon pally and even though I don't have chillmaw or trion (ufortuantely) I still love the deck, and have had some sucess.
Damn get tirion asap, it's like auto include in any paladin deck, even aggro ones. Just like playing hunter without call of the wild, insanity
plays paladin without tirion you poor soul
Moroes is a proud member of the value club! Treat him with equality!
Q: In the second game (vs Mage), why not attack face with Twilight Guardian?
The opponent cast blessing of wisdom on it so he was debating whether or not he wanted to draw his opponent a card by attacking (fatigue). He decided he didn't want the opponent to draw a card so he didn't attack.
It had blessing of wisdom on it
I cannot click on any of the 4 recommended videos. Please fix.
could you replace chilmaw/sylvannas with rag? and what about barnes?
Chilmaw is pretty good for a board clear/dragon synergy and rag doesn't give that. You could try swapping rag with sylvannas i suppose
Is chillmaw really needed? I don't have him. Should I still try this deck?
Not really, you could substitute it with escavated evil if you want the 3 DMG
thx
Could someone tell me why Dragon priest ever left. I mean Blackrock Mountain is still in standard
Times Brann would've been better, or more useful than Moroes:
7:25 Brann + Azure, draw second card, live through lightning storm and have lethal 1 turn earlier.
23:24 Brann + Shield, later get a 4/6 Twilight Guardian, which doesn't die to bookwyrm and lives through elemental destruction.
really nice editing Jens
what overlay do you use??
Replacement for chillmaw?
What deck tracker is that
Whats a good sub for chillmaw?
Would you say dragons priest beats dragons paladin? I play a lot of dragons decks since the synergy was added (including very gimmicky ones, like dragons rogue... surprisingly not too bad!), and most of the time I disagree when people say dragons priest is better. I like dragons paladin much more, just because of the Consort that allows to put the synergy into overdrive... and besides, dragons paladin now has some interesting cards to play early.
Cool deck! I'd like to try it.
so priest no longer meme class?
Of course it is, it just happens to have Dragon synergy.
nah, Dragon's happen to have priest synergy. every non-priest dragon > priest class
lost 10 games straight, many times I was at half health by turn four. Too much fast aggro and this deck doesn't have much in the way of clears since it doesn't have excavated evil or auchenai+circle or even a pyromancer. it doesn't even have much in the way of healing so shamans, hunters, druids, mages can burst you down from half even if you manage to stabilize on the board.
run molten giant and sunfury
Honestly they're nowhere near as bad as they're made out to be.
It's just a combination of Priest always playing slow games which makes ladder climbing slow, and their winrate being slightly lower than other classes at high levels.
At 4:07, the Shaman fucks up. Could have tapped then played Thing from Below
Why no justicar?
BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH.
Seriously though, both Yoggs were so good in the second game, it was amazing.
Yeah, it IS back in standard! But guess what? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BACK IN WILD BOIS! *IT NEVER LEFT BECAUSE WE DON'T LOSE CARDS LIKE ARSEHOLES!* YEAH BEST FORMAT WOOOO!
fuck yeah ! priest is the best class in wild lel :) !
Yeah..... but the bullshit in standard gets mixed in with the bullshit in wild..... you guys get double the bullshit..... then again that's my opinion.....
Rubix Cube It cancels it out. You have so much choice in building decks that are all so strong that it doesn;t feel like you're getting beaten down by the same bullshit over and over again, because you're not! Nobody plays it so nobody is net decking because there are no decks on the net! It's a bastion of deckbuilding skill, something that doesn;t exist in standard. Where theres only a couple meta decks
nah, when you have sludge belcher, chows and healbot, you can finally build control in every class. the only real antagonist is Secret Pally, but Priest, Freeze Mage and even Malygod Shaman just dismantles that.
+Rubix Cube after Playing only Standard since the release of it wild format really is much more enjoyable. Been playing it for Few Days now and I Haven't really seen any aggro decks.
That was some crazy games you had there.
5:05 misplay - Trump should've attacked first and then Holy Nova'd so the Twilight Guardian would have 1 extra health. Pretty big deal because otherwise it wouldn't have died to Azure Drake.
Can you science out dragon shaman too? It looks cool. Maybe run the guy that when you deal damage he heals you
I made a dragon priest deck this morning and I made the exact same conclusions as trump...
I should put in brann with netherspite
I do feel bad about having only 2 four drops though
That laughter at 22:20
Id so would like to pay inner fires in this deck, as there is four 3/6 and e 4/12 + two power word shields
I feel like moroes shouldn't be in a deck with chillmaw and ysera (you know how she likes to awaken).
He probably just shouldn't be in any competitive deck to be honest.
Liberty Prime Also True
both of those yoggs were nuts
Glad to see im not the only one who likes Moroes in priest, its like a free paladin hero power each turn. opopopop
25:45 Valuegasm
Why the fuck would you play moroes, Barnes is better ever time but another shadow word of your choice is infinitely better
Shadow word: despair
Shadow word: concede
Shadow Word: Despair
Destroy all minions on your side of the board, draw a card.
Well Shadow word: Despair from the original warcraft TCG that hearthstone was based from was a 1 mana deal two damage to your opponent and they mill 2.
Barnes into all those battlecry minions Kappa
Moroes? Again? Just stop ....
It's like his struggle to fit the Curator into every single deck he makes. It's just not worth the slot.
+HardyWiz curator has no synergy with Moroes .
No, but him having Moroes is LIKE his struggle to fit Curator into every deck.
+like2upload3videos lmao you're dumb
Charle Magne That's rude...
chillmaw and entomb replacement?
Was i the only one who shout "fuck yeah mage!!!" When Trump beat that reno-mage?
Netherspite Historian " once upon a time.." nozordomu comes up in the discoveries lol
any skipperino trumperino?
A replacement for Chillmaw?
excavated evil
Last time I was this early, I forgot to make a comment on the video before I watched it so I could prove how early I'd gotten here.
I think Book wyrm is gonna end up as a one of in dragon priest, but a consistent 2 of in dragon pally.
This deck is good enough to take you all the way to rank 16.
I was expecting a steward counter Jens. Please do it next time!
replacement for chillmaw?
That laugh at the end though
With yogg I feel like at the start of the turn there should be a coinflip to decide who wins. It is basically like that anyway.
Why don't you use golden cards?
He doesn't have the golden variant of each card, thus he doesn't want to mix stuff up, it's either go full golden deck or nothing for him.
Unless he's playing Malygos. :P
Hi, it seems you're new here
Trump doesnt actually answer any comments here, if ever, it would his editor, Jens.
If anything, visit his twitch, he has a FAQ on it
As an acolyte of yogg I agree that this video has a great yogg use
>Trump
>Make Priest great again
We're gonna build a good deck,and make the face hunters pay for it!
Following those paralels, in the end hunters diddnt pay for it, and priest still sucks...
PRAISE YOGG!
Chillmaw replacement?
come on trump, use your hero power when you have mana to spare. you never know when your opponent is going to play nexus champion Saraad, hero power, mulch, and give you a frost giant.
"Brann is good in this deck but I don't know what to replace him with."
I can think of a certain bad 3 mana card that would be perfect to replace.
Honestly, you don't even need Chillmaw or Ysera in the deck, you can just discover them with Netherspite Historian lol
Has he tried a deck based around Moroes and Djinni of Zephyrs?
The Yogg laugh was perfect
I really liked the Moroes! Keep it up!
7:30
Trump: It's time for Moroes to win the game :(
Praise Yogg the great Master ! We are nothing before him !
Just made the deck! Got destroyed by a OTK worgen Warrior, first game! Good times! :D
All of these comments immediately trashing moroes. And I totally understand, I don't really like it either. But that game against mage was INSANE value. If I was more awake I'd count up all the pings spent on the 1/1's, not even counting the arcane blast 'wasted' on one.
In a class with no chance of a ping, and relatively weak single-target damage (smite being the only cheap one, then you jump to holy fire), I can see his value.
"I need to add in Brann Bronzebeard into this deck... Who to remove... Moroes who is also a 3-drop? Nah... Gotta be Priest of the Feast..."
Yogg music was a nice touch
This deck seems pretty fun and good. Maybe we have a unicorn.
That evil laugh on game 2 tho..
All I know is that "dragon in hand" cards are really OP.
With my Dragon Priest deck, which has substantially less late game in order to run 2 Holy Nova and 2 Excavated Evils, I still lost to 3 aggro decks in a row while drawing good curves. I can't imagine this deck doing any better with the dragon discovery card (way too slow in the only meta that ever exists in Hearthstone {SMOrc SMOrc SMOrc SMOrc}) and not even 1 Excavated Evil, oh and only 1 Shadow Word Pain. Winning against aggro with the deck Trump is using is all luck, if they get a good draw he'll lose almost every game.
Last time I was this early
Priest was still an unviable class
Trump cmom, moroes is bad.
when will he learn :/
But, but it's infinite value !
...only The Mayor would understand.
But value...you just needa wait 4 turns in order for the value to start
there is clearly no aoe, ever , and you wont be over runned by then anyways
/s
Not Visible My thoughts exactly!
whenever someone plays doomsayer, i hear a u instead of a o
that laugh at the end XD
gotta wonder why trump didnt just drop deathwing on turn 10 after he saw the polymorph especially when he had both ysera and chillmaw in hand.... i feel like the game vs the reno mage was long for no reason at all
discarding ysera and chillmaw is not great
oops wrong deathwing XD
popping ice block is just better than playing deathwing
Tyler H yea sure but he even played ysera itself... seems senseless to me deathwing also pops block anyway, would have just meant reno heals for 18 instead of 29.... a completely meaningless difference
I only want to see a Brann Yogg-Saron combo.
Why wasn't this in my sub box?
Really Trump? You release this video when I have to go to work in seven minutes?