People do this shit on spelltable all the time. I literally let somebody survive with my beamtown bullies in play making a deal not to kill his stuff if he leaves me alone for ONE TURN. He then tries to kill Beamtown with Leveler in the graveyard.... I'm like... OK bitch. You just lost the entire game for this and he got leveled.
What the heck was that? Cody makes a deal with Cameron, and then immediately breaks the deal after Cameron upheld his end of the bargain? And then shortly after uses his ressources to take him out of the game as a "spite play"? If anyone deservers the spite, it's Cody. If I was anywhere near that table, I'd never make a deal with that guy ever again.
yeah, the main rule in any game of commander is no matter how advantageous it may seem, if you make a deal with someone else, you keep that deal, because if you don't, the players won't forget it and will never trust you again. Hell, if I was in that playgroup and someone pulled that, even if I wasn't the target, I'd do everything I can to get rid of that player within that game and make sure they understand.
Smooth brain is great name for the channel with Cody playing. Doesn't attack when little to no retaliation possible. Makes stupid "deal". I only hope the deal was made after Koma was actually targeted for the steal. Even then
Being charged with the control deck, unfortunately I had to make the decision to hold back to avoid retaliation in the event of me responding to someone. It was a calculated move that just didn’t pay off in the end but was still super fun!
@@codyoliver7263 Understandable, looked fun. It's easy to judge when you can't see the hands. Making the deal isn't even bad if you don't follow the terms lol. Good break on a bad deal even if it is little scummy🤘
@@vengray8055 a little scummy? Deal breaking is the absolute no-go. I wouldn't play with that person anymore, or at least make sure he gets taken out first by everyone in the play group for the next couple of sessions, until he learned his lesson. He shouldn't have offered such a bad deal...but once he did, he should've owned it and tried to win while upholding the terms. He just generally had pretty poor decision making.
Great content! I'd recommend finding a way to make the life totals stand out against their backgrounds, cuz the white text is really hard to make out, especially on the yellow background of Cameron's yellow brain in this video. Keep it up!
Not sure if I'm reading this board state right, but could Ethan have "potentially" won on turn 11? My thought process: 1) cast flamekin 2) cast kobold - trigger get a +1/+1 counter on flamekin 3) attach skull clamp to kobold 4) repeat 1-3 allowing 3 times giving 3 +1/+1 counters to flamekin which can be used to generate 3 red mana - this process can be completed an infinite number of times at that point and allow card draw of the entire deck 5) play
The Orvar/Sakashima pairing is too fun especially when you can pull off going exponential. Too bad Cameron couldn’t start it since he needed the card draw more.
That's why you need whim of volrath and something to tutor it Create a bunch of orvar copies create infinite mana create infinite blockers/attackers then instantly win next turn
So, um, quick question... knowing the board state was getting out of hand, why didn't Cody grab Whelming Wave earlier knowing that none of his opponents (more than likely) ran no wheels? I understand having a massive board state would give you a little more safety, but it's always smart to have a backup in the event that things go terribly wrong, like having someone casting a massive token generator right before their turn. As someone who plays Koma, I keep as much protection in my hand as possible and try to get to it as fast as possible because of how big of a lightning rod Koma is. Either way, there were some great plays all around, though, I now desperately need a Deepchannel Mentor.
This why I play cedh no deals just people going for combos and us trying to stop each other way more fun that way so you don’t get screwed over by deals
He could target both orvar and sakashima with that spell to make copies of them since the legend rule didn't apply!... Edit: nevermind, orvar says create a copy of ONE of them.
Hey! I appreciate the constructive criticism and honesty in your observation. I would like to say that in cEDH it’s a test of skill from gameplay, deck building, sequencing and overall politics. Each of us sit down at that table to win, by whatever means necessary. Shortly after that deal I realized that Cameron could go pseudo-infinite and the board begged me to handle him/the problem. As for Sakashima, I felt that if I continued with playing Saka it wouldn’t have impacted the board nearly enough for the target I’d acquire in doing so. Thanks for watching and I hope this helps clear up some confusion!
@@codyoliver7263 cody you're a little b*tch. You weren't playing cedh and you betrayed their trust. I hope nobody makes a deal with an incompetent liar like you ever again.
@@codyoliver7263that’s on you then, you made a deal and you made the mistake, should have read the board state before making a deal that only hurts you.
What the hell was that? Cody makes a deal just to break it on his turn? I wouldn’t play with him again. He was infuriating to watch play Koma as he was missing so many attacks, bad pilot and a bad mtg player. Would not be welcomed in my games.
How you gonna make a deal and then immediately break that deal? This is why I don't make deals anymore. So happy that dude lost lol
Right. That was scummy
making a deal then breaking it sounds like grounds to instantly lose
In my playgroup it happened a couple of times.. both players were never trusted again by anybody.
I absolutely engage in politics and make deals. But I never forget a broken deal.
People do this shit on spelltable all the time. I literally let somebody survive with my beamtown bullies in play making a deal not to kill his stuff if he leaves me alone for ONE TURN. He then tries to kill Beamtown with Leveler in the graveyard.... I'm like... OK bitch. You just lost the entire game for this and he got leveled.
Top Anime Betrayals: Cody
I’m out here playing Chess, while they’re playing Raid Shadow Legends.
@@codyoliver7263 Going back on deals may help in the short run but no one ever wants to make deals with you again in future games
@@TH3L3M0N Yeah it's never worth it.
What the heck was that? Cody makes a deal with Cameron, and then immediately breaks the deal after Cameron upheld his end of the bargain? And then shortly after uses his ressources to take him out of the game as a "spite play"? If anyone deservers the spite, it's Cody. If I was anywhere near that table, I'd never make a deal with that guy ever again.
This has been the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals.
Yeah Cody is the villain of this game
@@codyoliver7263 voldemort himself has graced this comment section
I guess he just drew the Deepchannel Mentor and went for it.
yeah, the main rule in any game of commander is no matter how advantageous it may seem, if you make a deal with someone else, you keep that deal, because if you don't, the players won't forget it and will never trust you again. Hell, if I was in that playgroup and someone pulled that, even if I wasn't the target, I'd do everything I can to get rid of that player within that game and make sure they understand.
Smooth brain is great name for the channel with Cody playing. Doesn't attack when little to no retaliation possible. Makes stupid "deal". I only hope the deal was made after Koma was actually targeted for the steal. Even then
Being charged with the control deck, unfortunately I had to make the decision to hold back to avoid retaliation in the event of me responding to someone. It was a calculated move that just didn’t pay off in the end but was still super fun!
@@codyoliver7263 Why’d you break your deal dude ?
@@codyoliver7263 Understandable, looked fun. It's easy to judge when you can't see the hands. Making the deal isn't even bad if you don't follow the terms lol. Good break on a bad deal even if it is little scummy🤘
@@vengray8055 a little scummy? Deal breaking is the absolute no-go. I wouldn't play with that person anymore, or at least make sure he gets taken out first by everyone in the play group for the next couple of sessions, until he learned his lesson.
He shouldn't have offered such a bad deal...but once he did, he should've owned it and tried to win while upholding the terms. He just generally had pretty poor decision making.
Love the Orvar the all form gameplay! Can't wait to see more!
Love your channel! Found it by accident, so I am very happy!
You guys are quickly becoming my favorite Commander channel.
Great content! I'd recommend finding a way to make the life totals stand out against their backgrounds, cuz the white text is really hard to make out, especially on the yellow background of Cameron's yellow brain in this video. Keep it up!
Bad on Cody for the deal betrayal but also bad on him for not getting into a free +40 damage earlier on in the game.
Cody is such a liar. No honour
Snakes are deceitful creatures, luckily I had like twenty :)
@@codyoliver7263 haha, at least you are owning it!
@@codyoliver7263 it's not cute, that's a bitch move. People won't like playing with you when you play like a coward.
@@codyoliver7263type of person nobody likes to play with in lgs
Guess you can never trust Cody, never take a deal from him ever.
Crazy game, it felt like at any point any of the decks could've pulled out ahead and won.
This whole game felt so dirty. Cody's word means nothing. Cringe 😬
Betting on the squirrel. Let's see who wins
Good bet
Didn‘t cameron miss out on a huge play with his sway of illusion not targeting sakashima and orvar? As the legend rule doesnt apply due to sakashima
Great edition!
Cody really didn't tap sklamp down with serpent after the first loop and that baffled me
Not sure if I'm reading this board state right, but could Ethan have "potentially" won on turn 11?
My thought process:
1) cast flamekin
2) cast kobold - trigger get a +1/+1 counter on flamekin
3) attach skull clamp to kobold
4) repeat 1-3 allowing 3 times giving 3 +1/+1 counters to flamekin which can be used to generate 3 red mana - this process can be completed an infinite number of times at that point and allow card draw of the entire deck
5) play
The Orvar/Sakashima pairing is too fun especially when you can pull off going exponential. Too bad Cameron couldn’t start it since he needed the card draw more.
That's why you need whim of volrath and something to tutor it
Create a bunch of orvar copies create infinite mana create infinite blockers/attackers then instantly win next turn
I LOVE YOU GUYS 💯
Cameron should’ve won this. He could’ve had four orvars after he cast that Sakashima and just gone nuts from there
Thought so too, but orvar specifically says you get one copy per spell.
@@drorian yeah but he had two orvars in play at that point I believe
So the ovar list has 159 cards on the link. Is that intentional because that makes the deck illegal
the link to the Toski deck list is broken
I think it's working now
When can we ban koma?
So, um, quick question... knowing the board state was getting out of hand, why didn't Cody grab Whelming Wave earlier knowing that none of his opponents (more than likely) ran no wheels? I understand having a massive board state would give you a little more safety, but it's always smart to have a backup in the event that things go terribly wrong, like having someone casting a massive token generator right before their turn. As someone who plays Koma, I keep as much protection in my hand as possible and try to get to it as fast as possible because of how big of a lightning rod Koma is. Either way, there were some great plays all around, though, I now desperately need a Deepchannel Mentor.
Great game
is it me or ethan have the combo to win? in the early stage
Cody now knows how it feels to be the reality show hated character.
The Drannith Magistrate Theft 😂
Cameron had that game but got back stabbed
having 3 people with similar names is quite confusing xD
Wow never saw Gigadrowse in Orvar yet.
Why not tap down more stuff
I hate that mono blue deck XD
yoooo my names cameron and im making an orvar deck too. :D
wow fuck you cody. goin' back on a deal in commander is unforgivable.
This reminds me of the mana cave
Adding to everyone else's observation. Dumb plays like cody's backtracking on the deal is just cringe worthy.
This why I play cedh no deals just people going for combos and us trying to stop each other way more fun that way so you don’t get screwed over by deals
He could target both orvar and sakashima with that spell to make copies of them since the legend rule didn't apply!... Edit: nevermind, orvar says create a copy of ONE of them.
Cody is so dumb for making a deal and then breaking it and also not casting his revealed shakashima
Hey! I appreciate the constructive criticism and honesty in your observation. I would like to say that in cEDH it’s a test of skill from gameplay, deck building, sequencing and overall politics. Each of us sit down at that table to win, by whatever means necessary. Shortly after that deal I realized that Cameron could go pseudo-infinite and the board begged me to handle him/the problem. As for Sakashima, I felt that if I continued with playing Saka it wouldn’t have impacted the board nearly enough for the target I’d acquire in doing so. Thanks for watching and I hope this helps clear up some confusion!
@@codyoliver7263 cody you're a little b*tch. You weren't playing cedh and you betrayed their trust. I hope nobody makes a deal with an incompetent liar like you ever again.
@@codyoliver7263 you just come across as a prick for break a deal u just made. You make the games less fun
@@codyoliver7263that’s on you then, you made a deal and you made the mistake, should have read the board state before making a deal that only hurts you.
cody pretty much is a sucker. deals are deals !
Whenever i see a 17 minute EDH video i get sad
Poor cameron ;{
I cannot abide a player that does not honor the deal, I insta scoop and go find someone else to play with as I do not play with oathbreakers!
Toski power
Ascetism should return after Cameron dies because the control effect is over. Truly the smoothest brain.
The asceticism was destroyed before Cameron died
Yeah, also when a player dies with your permanents under their control (they get exiled)
Had a reddit comment lead me to this cringe deal breaking shit, did not fail to dissapoint
What the hell was that? Cody makes a deal just to break it on his turn? I wouldn’t play with him again. He was infuriating to watch play Koma as he was missing so many attacks, bad pilot and a bad mtg player. Would not be welcomed in my games.
Gigadrowse can only make 1 copy.
Pretty sure Sakashima was copying Orvar, so that's why they made two copies.
@@solidmasterdante fair point!
This is far from "big brain play". I'd change the name of the channel. lol
Dislike for broken deal.