The differences in the sound of these two instruments can be attributed to slight differences in the settings of the filters and volume envelopes of what are likely the identical sample files. I tend to like the PC3K.
I have uploaded sounds with with PC3K based on VAST synthesis, which did not use the keymap and Artis read them. SP5 also does not have a VAST, but with an editor, you can create Voice.
The PC3K has a warmer tonal quality. The Artis has a slightly, brighter, tonal quality to it. The both of them are quality. It depends on your preference. I like the Nord rhodes sound better than both of them but I like Kurzweil's strings above any synth, any day - period.
I agree that the levels should be the same. The PC3 is a bit louder and a bit more upfront in the mix. However, I still think the PC3 is warmer and fatter sounding. Not by much I grant you. But I would go with the PC3.
I think the reason for one particular difference in sound is very logical. The patches from the Artis often seem to be less wide (as in: a narrower stereo image) which to me seems like a smart choice in an instrument which is primarily a stage piano. After all: often it will just be DI'ed into a mixing console, panned L-R, and at the mercy of an anonymous mixing technician. The Artis' narrower sound would definitely have a better chance of sounding fine in this type of ad hoc mix.
For a lot of the sounds like woodwinds, brass, percussion, analog emulation, and other synth sounds I would expect the PC3K to be better (which it is). Essentially the new Artis is a stage piano and where it holds its ground is with pianos, electric keys, organs, pads, etc. It probably doesn't have the filters the PC3K has, but it's not bad and really darn close. Compared to the Roland RD700NX and the Yamaha S90XS I actually prefer the Kurzweil Artis. They are very close in comparison.
"Faghen Phaser" on ARTIS is one of the best e-piano sound comparing any keyboard. all other sounds in artis are lower level than Forte or Pc3K... I can also tell that in ARTIS the little loss of bass frequency and wide sound is easily compensable with the left EQ in real time and adding a little stereo chorus effect.
+Lexcoaster I notice just now the pc3k has a little reverb, a higher volume and a better stereophonic effect (maybe?). I don't if I'm saying stupid things, but my ears listen that. now the question is: are these effect on the 2 keyboards put by factory or are manipulated by the guys of muzyk?
You know what's sad? Closing my eyes, I honestly didn't recognized almost any differences between the two first concert piano...I love kurzweil and Im proud to own a K2600XS and a PC3K6, but, this new german piano doesn't sound so much better than the PC3K6's one.
compare 256 sounds vs over 1000 ... compare being able to sample in new wav or AIFF files for sound creation vs cant on the artist ... there is no comparing ... the few sounds the artist has are the same as the pc3k ...and they have the same effects but you cant edit the artist
elvc reduced polyphony, very limited sound editing, no sampling, much less fx capability, no sliders but added touch sensitive pads, less audio output, no ribbon input, same kurzweil style interface
Why that guy compares these 2 products...???They are totaly different..PC3K is a completed synthesizer workstation,the top (in my opinion) workstation in the whole market of keyboards,while Artis is more like stage piano with many sounds !!PC3K has sampler ,the whole VAST engine and many mastering eq'ing cappabilities..Artis would be perfect for gigs because it has many sounds and nice FX chains(presets) but PC3K is a MONSTER on EDITING EVERYTHING !! So its a pointless comparison!!
Artis has an editor. It is possible to edit, the same as in PC3. We compared the sound, because it's very similar machines presenting the same sound. Artis has Kore 64, all multisamples.
+Kostas Margas Yes ,right...its for people who dont know Kurzweil maybe,no,i think its interesting to compare,just for information,yo'see? Afte,(ive got a k8)...the edition without the editor is really hard with that littl screen!
+jeff “jeffbwack” wackenthal i dont have editor...can i ask something,if you connect the pc3K to your pc and you open the editor,every little change you make to the editor changes the sound in response directly or you have to save it and then import it to see what you'v done ?
Witam, Kurzwail PC3K jest lepszy, brzmi bardzo cieplo, w najblizszym czasie kupie sobie mala wersje do mojego studia, ;-). Pozdrawiam serdecznie, Tomasz Majewski
You can't say that... Artis is just more a "stage piano" and PC3 a workstation. For example the keybed (fatar TP/100LR) seems more like a real piano and PC3's Fatar TP/40LR for multiple uses (piano, organ, synths). Artis has German D and some KORE64 sounds PC3K has not.
Dałeś nierówne volume a może i twardość klawiatury . Test jest nieważny pod tym względem. Artis został zwyczajnie na starcie zdołowany przez falstart PC3, ha ha.
Mam Artis 7, robię co mogę EQ i drawbars i nigdy nie brzmi dość dobrze na nagłośnieniu. Ten i inne testy są słuchawkowe. Jest coś nie tak u Artisa na nagłośnieniu zewnętrznym jeśli chodzi o fortepiany - jakieś plastikowe , nierówne brzmienie nie pozwalające na radość grania. Co mogę zrobić, by na nagłośnieniu było lepiej ?
jeff wackenthal While the Artis has substantially less ability to be "worked" as the PC3, what it does have is shared from the PC3 series, plus there's software to adapt to the Artis to allow for serious modifications of parameters.
Eduardo Santos Sound Editor software and a laptop solves the absence of on-board VAST. All the editing I've ever had to do on my old PC3 is as simple as opening the software, connecting to my Artis via USB and making my changes and saving them to the keyboard. I gig regularly and the loss of some 12 lbs and a form factor that allows the Artis 7 to fit sideways in my trunk makes this the perfect board for me. Plus it saved and provides all my saved PC3 sounds that I ported via flash drive.
Both digital crap. The best digital keyboard is no better than the stock plug ins on a DAW. Why would you spend thousands on what is simply a computer with a midi keyboard? You can get a laptop and a nice midi keyboard for a few hundred and have much more flexibility and endless sounds.
Richard Riley Ok, i am waiting for a meeting to beggin, why not replying proper way. "Both digital crap" - Aaaahhh, your laptop+VST isn't digital? "Why would you spend thousands on what is simply a computer with a midi keyboard?" - sadly, it isnt, period! Is MacPro computer as my beloved C64? Yes! Does my C64 can produce music with ProTools - No! When you have Keyboard like this, you sit down and play. No drivers, no sample loading, no annoying popups begging to Update, only pure sound and control. i dare you go out in the wild and PLAY a gig with your laptop and midi keyboard. To get this quality sounds you need to spend thousads of $ for VST instruments, nice midi keyboard from 500-1500$ . Not to mention, build quality of these things, like Hellcat tanks! MIDI control, you name it, Kurzweil is one of the best for midi control, i have always 3 modules attached to it! Ask anything if you like i will help you, maybe my first comment was to hard.
***** Go analog, you will never look back. Maybe not the same capability, but much, much better. Digital is crap for music. I agree about the portability, but you can get plugs ins just as good as any kurzweil patch. Get a minimoog and forget about digital.
***** BULLSHIT. Seriously, I have played a virus, and lots of other VA. Actually the microkorg sounds more analog than the virus, both both not close to real analog. Just look at doepfer modular stuff, moog sub phatty, vintage ARP, all are way better than ANY digital synth. I have an original minimoog, trust me, once you go analog, you never even glance back. The sound is just so much richer and euphonic. It is NOT subtle.
The PC3K was turned up louder, but there was some warmth to it that was missing in the Artis. That New piano, in the Artis is Excellent though!
This is the same sample, but it is not the comparison because the volume is different.
The differences in the sound of these two instruments can be attributed to slight differences in the settings of the filters and volume envelopes of what are likely the identical sample files.
I tend to like the PC3K.
I have uploaded sounds with with PC3K based on VAST synthesis, which did not use the keymap and Artis read them. SP5 also does not have a VAST, but with an editor, you can create Voice.
The PC3K has a warmer tonal quality. The Artis has a slightly, brighter, tonal quality to it. The both of them are quality. It depends on your preference. I like the Nord rhodes sound better than both of them but I like Kurzweil's strings above any synth, any day - period.
Some difference, If I had the PC3K, I don't know if there is enough difference to upgrade though.
The top keyboard has reverb, the bottom doesn't. Need turn off the reverb on top unit for an accurate comparison.
Artis PIANO has level of 9-touch and PC3K without GERMAN GRAND D has only 3-touch (like Nord).
I agree that the levels should be the same. The PC3 is a bit louder and a bit more upfront in the mix. However, I still think the PC3 is warmer and fatter sounding. Not by much I grant you. But I would go with the PC3.
I think the reason for one particular difference in sound is very logical. The patches from the Artis often seem to be less wide (as in: a narrower stereo image) which to me seems like a smart choice in an instrument which is primarily a stage piano. After all: often it will just be DI'ed into a mixing console, panned L-R, and at the mercy of an anonymous mixing technician. The Artis' narrower sound would definitely have a better chance of sounding fine in this type of ad hoc mix.
For a lot of the sounds like woodwinds, brass, percussion, analog emulation, and other synth sounds I would expect the PC3K to be better (which it is). Essentially the new Artis is a stage piano and where it holds its ground is with pianos, electric keys, organs, pads, etc. It probably doesn't have the filters the PC3K has, but it's not bad and really darn close. Compared to the Roland RD700NX and the Yamaha S90XS I actually prefer the Kurzweil Artis. They are very close in comparison.
pc3k nice sound....sharp reverb surround....overall kursweil product real tone
"Faghen Phaser" on ARTIS is one of the best e-piano sound comparing any keyboard. all other sounds in artis are lower level than Forte or Pc3K...
I can also tell that in ARTIS the little loss of bass frequency and wide sound is easily compensable with the left EQ in real time and adding a little stereo chorus effect.
If the Artis is about the same price as a Kurzweil PC3K I'd go for the PC3K, 4 times as many sound patches and you can edit them.
Well Artis has GERMAN GRAND D as Basis but this is also for PC3K8 as an additional extension still available, isn't it?
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I don't know if is a difference of volume or some effects applied on the sounflds, but I listen that pc3k have a more "open" sound
+MasSyntesium I would have to agree. It sounds to me as if it's a volume issue.
+Lexcoaster I notice just now the pc3k has a little reverb, a higher volume and a better stereophonic effect (maybe?). I don't if I'm saying stupid things, but my ears listen that. now the question is: are these effect on the 2 keyboards put by factory or are manipulated by the guys of muzyk?
+MasSyntesium *I don't know
yep.... the output levels of both seems to be different.....PC3K some dB's louder ,altough at the end clavinet demo was in balance.
You know what's sad? Closing my eyes, I honestly didn't recognized almost any differences between the two first concert piano...I love kurzweil and Im proud to own a K2600XS and a PC3K6, but, this new german piano doesn't sound so much better than the PC3K6's one.
I think its a matter of output volume. Pc3k's got a hotter signal.
What about the "Triple strike piano" program/setup?
I can't find it in my PC3 programs/setup list.
PC3K even better!
have you kept all synthesizer settings in same manner where we can justify that both are on same platform to start test?
How about the keybed action? I'm a piano player
How is the Keybed in the Artis?
Fatar TP/100LR
PC 3 A/K/LE and the Forte have the FATAR TP40/L
compare 256 sounds vs over 1000 ... compare being able to sample in new wav or AIFF files for sound creation vs cant on the artist ... there is no comparing ... the few sounds the artist has are the same as the pc3k ...and they have the same effects but you cant edit the artist
Who has better action?
I like the PC 3 better
sorry but PC3 is better...warmer, deeper...the sounds are "more than..."
Artis has V.A.S.T. You can read his tone of PC3. Editor will come soon.
A jak wrażenia z odczucia klawiatury?
takie same?
What are the differences in sound between the pc3le and pc3k series?
elvc reduced polyphony, very limited sound editing, no sampling, much less fx capability, no sliders but added touch sensitive pads, less audio output, no ribbon input, same kurzweil style interface
another fine comparison
Kupiłem pc3k . Jak to jest z tą pojemnością sampli ile wejdzie brzmień różnego typu ?
128mb zerknij na moją stronę www.megapreset.com znajdziesz tam brzmienia do pc3k
Kurzweil PC3K rules!!!
Sounds good
kurzweil pc3le vs kurzweil artis se
Sound of Artis like 3D effect
EFX Processor differences
pc3k better!
Why that guy compares these 2 products...???They are totaly different..PC3K is a completed synthesizer workstation,the top (in my opinion) workstation in the whole market of keyboards,while Artis is more like stage piano with many sounds !!PC3K has sampler ,the whole VAST engine and many mastering eq'ing cappabilities..Artis would be perfect for gigs because it has many sounds and nice FX chains(presets) but PC3K is a MONSTER on EDITING EVERYTHING !! So its a pointless comparison!!
Artis has an editor. It is possible to edit, the same as in PC3. We compared the sound, because it's very similar machines presenting the same sound. Artis has Kore 64, all multisamples.
muzykujkropkacom Artis + PC3K = PC3A :-)
+Kostas Margas Yes ,right...its for people who dont know Kurzweil maybe,no,i think its interesting to compare,just for information,yo'see?
Afte,(ive got a k8)...the edition without the editor is really hard with that littl screen!
+Hugues Lignian dont go for pc3A instead of pc3K ,pc3K is the flagship , clearly
+jeff “jeffbwack” wackenthal i dont have editor...can i ask something,if you connect the pc3K to your pc and you open the editor,every little change you make to the editor changes the sound in response directly or you have to save it and then import it to see what you'v done ?
Ah?? Pc3k sounds better to my ear... While artis pretty good also though..
PC3k
Artis sound so grat !
Kurzweil PC3K +1
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Artis!!!
Witam,
Kurzwail PC3K jest lepszy, brzmi bardzo cieplo, w najblizszym czasie kupie sobie mala wersje do mojego studia, ;-).
Pozdrawiam serdecznie,
Tomasz Majewski
Artis is just a cheaper version of PC3k
You can't say that... Artis is just more a "stage piano" and PC3 a workstation. For example the keybed (fatar TP/100LR) seems more like a real piano and PC3's Fatar TP/40LR for multiple uses (piano, organ, synths).
Artis has German D and some KORE64 sounds PC3K has not.
PC3K is warmer
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Raczej Pc3k8 brzmi nieco lepiej, głębiej:)
Artis seems to be a bit "plastic"
Dałeś nierówne volume a może i twardość klawiatury . Test jest nieważny pod tym względem. Artis został zwyczajnie na starcie zdołowany przez falstart PC3, ha ha.
Spróbuj zagrać na dwóch innych klawiaturach tym samym velocity :) poza tym one maja inne fortepiany :) artis ma więcej layerow :)
Mam Artis 7, robię co mogę EQ i drawbars i nigdy nie brzmi dość dobrze na nagłośnieniu. Ten i inne testy są słuchawkowe. Jest coś nie tak u Artisa na nagłośnieniu zewnętrznym jeśli chodzi o fortepiany - jakieś plastikowe , nierówne brzmienie nie pozwalające na radość grania. Co mogę zrobić, by na nagłośnieniu było lepiej ?
It's hard to believe that the PC3K is almost twice as much as the Artis.
The artis is just a great scene kb.The pc3K is a workstation.
jeff wackenthal
While the Artis has substantially less ability to be "worked" as the PC3, what it does have is shared from the PC3 series, plus there's software to adapt to the Artis to allow for serious modifications of parameters.
MotownRockinroller Yes,you're right.
MotownRockinroller No onboard VAST tho, chopped FX editting and, this one I think it's brutal, no Aftertouch on the keybed.
Eduardo Santos Sound Editor software and a laptop solves the absence of on-board VAST. All the editing I've ever had to do on my old PC3 is as simple as opening the software, connecting to my Artis via USB and making my changes and saving them to the keyboard. I gig regularly and the loss of some 12 lbs and a form factor that allows the Artis 7 to fit sideways in my trunk makes this the perfect board for me. Plus it saved and provides all my saved PC3 sounds that I ported via flash drive.
Pc3k mejor
PC 3 K MILLE VOLTE MEGLIO!!!
Triple stink piano...
ARTIS é bemmmmmmm melhor!!!
Both digital crap. The best digital keyboard is no better than the stock plug ins on a DAW. Why would you spend thousands on what is simply a computer with a midi keyboard? You can get a laptop and a nice midi keyboard for a few hundred and have much more flexibility and endless sounds.
*****
Great argument, up there with "What-ever".
Richard Riley
Ok, i am waiting for a meeting to beggin, why not replying proper way. "Both digital crap" - Aaaahhh, your laptop+VST isn't digital? "Why would you spend thousands on what is simply a computer with a midi keyboard?" - sadly, it isnt, period! Is MacPro computer as my beloved C64? Yes! Does my C64 can produce music with ProTools - No! When you have Keyboard like this, you sit down and play. No drivers, no sample loading, no annoying popups begging to Update, only pure sound and control. i dare you go out in the wild and PLAY a gig with your laptop and midi keyboard. To get this quality sounds you need to spend thousads of $ for VST instruments, nice midi keyboard from 500-1500$ . Not to mention, build quality of these things, like Hellcat tanks! MIDI control, you name it, Kurzweil is one of the best for midi control, i have always 3 modules attached to it! Ask anything if you like i will help you, maybe my first comment was to hard.
***** Go analog, you will never look back. Maybe not the same capability, but much, much better. Digital is crap for music. I agree about the portability, but you can get plugs ins just as good as any kurzweil patch. Get a minimoog and forget about digital.
Richard Riley
I have Access Virus, it is digital, but 99% close to analog! Monster, no VST can come close.
*****
BULLSHIT. Seriously, I have played a virus, and lots of other VA. Actually the microkorg sounds more analog than the virus, both both not close to real analog. Just look at doepfer modular stuff, moog sub phatty, vintage ARP, all are way better than ANY digital synth. I have an original minimoog, trust me, once you go analog, you never even glance back. The sound is just so much richer and euphonic. It is NOT subtle.