@@TheHardys01 Since you got offended by such an "outdated" term (wonder why...) let me rephrase what I said. Wrestling community/pro wrestling fans are so dense, toxic and obnoxious Hope you don't get offended now
@@PaxBisonica89 You're a hypocrite. You're a WWE fan yet you generated tribalism by commenting that. WWE fans are the tribalistic ones. There's more of you, so you're the aggressors. Which makes WWE the biggest source of tribalism, statisitcally speaking it's a fact.
@@ArtsyAllAround Exactly, I hate people like this who say we should “enjoy all wrestling”, when it’s known people just have preferences. It’s like the Xbox vs PlayStation war, you really think one person saying “we should enjoy all consoles” would solve the war? No.
@@jeice2226 no he didn’t, he could’ve been talking about a bunch of diff ppl, wee lil Willy is the least likely of all the potential targets. What would they even do with him in WWE? He’s barely bigger than Finn, he belongs in AEW and independents, he doesn’t belong on the big stage, not if he wants to be a top star. Yea, that lil elbow is gonna take out Bron or a Samoan, sure.
Ospreay is a Hypocrite then because he just swapped from New Japan to AEW If there was a monopoly, he wouldn't have had New Japan to begin with and would still be jobbing in AEW to this day.
@@CynicalGamingBlogTerry309 I can’t stand him myself. My first time seeing him ever was the Chris Van Vliet interview and I thought he came across as a giant bag of douche. Like he’s so much better than everyone, just a wicked douchey attitude, especially for someone that’s never drawn here in the states. His storytelling in the ring sucks, one second his fighting for his life and the next he’s doing all kinds of flippy dippy power moves without a hint of pain. His finisher is the worst too. Oh no, and elbow to the head. How will they ever live thru that, meanwhile he did 50 way more devastating things during the match, things that should be finishers.
Agree with Adam Copeland. Tribalism is pathetic. I love AEW. But if you love WWE good on you. Just can’t take the no it alls, who have nothing better to do than spew negativity and nonsense.
@@Hardvengence Perfect description, i always ask myself the same thing: why can't they just enjoy wrestling? You litterally read my mind. What do i do about that? I enjoy wrestling and mind my own wrestling.
I used to enjoy AEW.....but the product forced me to wwe....which has improved alot in the HHH era. TNA is killing it, MLW is ok.....there's plenty out there to watch. It's all just ice cream, some people just like different flavors.
@@ipv-gachaedition103there's a big subsection of the IWC who's belief is "enjoy all wrestling" or "enjoy anything but WWE" To me, liking ALL wrestling; the statement specifically is dumb. To me, there's people who like Death match Wrestling (I'm one of them), but a lot who doesn't Not everyone needs to like everything, and that's okay. Enjoy what wrestling you like, simple as that
@redrick8900 good comeback. Ya nailed it. Give me some evidence of being wrong. Is it the staggering television ratings or is it the full houses they are performing in front of? I'll wait clown.
@elmerinase5734 can't enjoy AEW right now because it indeed sucks right now. Plus Tony Khan is unlikable and so is 95 percent of his roster. If you like it more power to you but I'm not gonna eat garbage and call it ice cream. And just so anyone calls me a WWE shill or whatever, they had a terrible product too before and after AEW started. WWE has gotten alot better recently though.
For me it's not an issue of tribalism. I'm just not a fan of AEW. Believe me, I wish there was another company that I enjoyed because when I was a kid, it was so much fun watching WWF, WCW, and ECW.
I still watch shows from every wrestling league I like. Although I realize that not everyone does it that way. But it would be a shame if there was just one big promotion that everyone followed. Furthermore, it would be bad for wrestling, because there would only be one style.
I think most people are just upset at the fact that they thought Adam was a WWE for life guy like HBK and Undertaker but forgetting he kinda started or made his appearance first in WCW back in 1996, gonna miss Edge in WWE a lot, but Adam so far has been in my opinion the best thing on AEW, elevating the TNT championship further.
I tried to watch TNA on television the other day until I saw a commercial for TNA+ for $9.99 per month and realized that I did not want to invest in watching the television show if I was not going to watch the premium live event that it was building to. I watch multiple police shows like The Rookie and Chicago PD but they do not lead to a culminating event that I have to pay for. So since I pay for Peacock (I used to have WWE Network) I watch WWE and when Edge left WWE it really was a loss because the AEW pay-per-views are not in my budget and also time is a factor because instead of watching another show like 911 Lonestar I would have to invest more time in another wrestling show on top of paying for another pay-per-view streaming service if I wanted to follow a wrestler that went to another company.
When you have to do a cringe rah-rah speech to explain that you love wrestling and AEW, your company probably ain't at its best. I think people have become tired of Tony's booking and the show's overall silliness. The numbers back that up, too. Edge said in his first presser that being in AEW is like being in the indies. That's the problem. I wasn't tribal about WWE vs AEW until the gap between the 2 became so wide that I couldn't take AEW seriously anymore.
This , he can say whatever he wants but the booking on that show is abysmal and if we call it out we “hate wrestling “ and we’re tribalism, like bruh let’s not sit here and act like the Copeland v Christian feud was something special cuz it wasn’t 😂
Edge thinks people were pissed at him for joining AEW. MAYBE they thought he had more to do in WWE as far as putting younger talent over since he won every feud he had, beat DEMON Finn at Wrestlemania, beat Grayson on smackdown, beat sheamus on smackdown, etc. so maybe people thought there wasn’t enough giving back done. But also, Edge goes online and sits on his porch and polices the fans by saying they shouldn’t speculate on whether or not he’s joining a different company, and then he DOES which justifies fan speculation. And then he says him in AEW is a “new character” even though he’s literally being called the Rated R Superstar and shirts were made that said “LEDGENdary” on them. So maybe it’s not so much tribalism but people having a natural reaction to their intelligence being insulted. And nobody wants to hear what an AEW wrestler thinks of tribalism when their boss is the worst example in media. “The fans are to blame, the fans are to blame” - look at your boss lol
alot of the negativity is fostered by the owners obsession with deflecting criticisms of his product, citing its either 'bad faith takes' or colluding bots. alongside monthly twitter meltdowns about 'bald assholes' in the fed
Ive always been wwf,e fan but also have watched wcw tna impact NJPW if my favourite wrestlers have gone there,but that's me.they are along time retired see them when you can
Wrestling is at the best it’s been in decades and we got a bunch of idiots who would rather be miserable about it than enjoy it. Wresting fans are so damn weird sometimes man.
The problem with todays fans is that they have only used to WWE for the last 20 years that their not used to seeing another company on a major TV network
AEW = Arena Empty Wrestling. If he’s happy wrestling in half empty arenas every night then good for him. WWE is on fire right now and it’s the absolute show to be at. AEW is only going to get worse and it starts with that idiot Tony Con. Nobody cares or even talks about AEW anymore because WWE has completely taken over the picture.
No tribalism with me I just think WWE is boring. 3 hours is an eternity to watch a tv show. Ruthless aggression era is one of my favorite times in wrestling
I use to watch tna and wwe and had no problems with either but when aew says there the best and constantly takes shots at a way better company it gets annoying especially when the company is a indie gathering and matches consist of infinite finishers with with infinite near falls and tiger drivers the promotions is a joke and is just there for free money to and indie wrestler whack production worse story telling aew is terrible
I personally wasn't angry he left. It's HOW he left. Dude announced his retirement in like early 2022 and said it would probably be in Canada in 2023. Then he won literally every single feud he was in except Reigns, which included a Rumble and a Main Event Mania spot. He literally put nobody over. Buried Demon Balór, every Judgement Day member, Miz, Rollins, beat Sheamus in his last match with the company too. He came back took everything except the World Championship and left giving IMO nothing back.
@@dannyknightblade4592 Ah yes. Who could forget Edge returning to "New Day Rocks! New Day Rocks!" Coming out playing the 🎺. He made The Judgement Day, it was terrible with him in it and then he got over on the entire group twice lol. Buried the lot of them.
With all due respect to Edge, him leaving for AEW wasn’t a betrayal to all his WWE fans and the company that gave him everything, but it was also a horrible career move. He’s going to retire in an half empty arena instead of in front of thousands at WrestleMania. I really hope it was worth it Edge because in my mind and millions of others, it wasn’t.
It doesn't matter if Adam Copeland wrestles in front of 20 thousand people or just 20 people. As long as he's safe, having a good time, having solid matches and entertaining the fans, that's what matters.
Tribalism is everywhere from Coke vs Pepsi, Windows vs Mac, Xbox vs PlayStation vs Nintendo, etc. I have no problem with people who prefer one brand over another, However, people that want certain brands to fail because they don't like the brand but then complain about monopolies.
I want aew to succeed but it's not even the same aew from 2019. It's slowly morphing into WCW 2000-01 and it's only a matter of time before it goes under . It's just reality
I gave up arguing with people who Only know WWE and hate on AEW.... Adam said it best "I wanted to see everything I could" thats how most of us OG pro wrestling fans are.
I will never understand being upset at someone for going to another company to try something new. It’s happens all the time in sports when a player gets traded to another team, but if you go to a different wrestling company “you’re a traitor”
I love WWE and AEW, there's great wrestlers in both companies. Both of them are putting on some great matches. As a wrestling fan I feel like we're spoiled these days with all this wrestling available to watch every week. (In the best way possible)
What is this obsession great matches? The product, stories, and characters are the most important to success and quality. Great matches come add to these things. AEW is garbage.
@@SefniAsheforr Look at your response. A wrestling fan comes in, says he enjoys watching both companies and likes the matches both companies are putting on. And your only response is to call something 'garbage.' You're exactly the problem.
Adam comparing people only watching one wrestling show to going to only one restaurant is 100% accurate and true! You are going to get tired of it eventually. Variety is a good thing!
Ngl when Adam went to AEW I felt super excited because I knew he was going to work with Christian Cage. They did NOT disappoint. What truly matters is that the wrestler, wherever they might go, is happy and healthy. And that's coming from somebody who primarily watches WWE nowadays. Best wishes to Adam!
Tribalism is currently so bad, worse than it's ever been, that I was even hesitant to look at the comments here since I'm so used to tribalistic WWE fans going "aEw BaD!" by their NPC default setting. Thankfully, this comment section is one of the saner ones in the wrestling space.
The power of talking trash to someone online that can't hit you back. We are living in this digital age where every wrestling company, every company, big or small is available at our fingertips. Indies, Japan, WWE, AEW, sit back and enjoy.
The tribalism is because of trolls, marks and former wrestlers all having their own opinions on the internet. I've watched wrestling since the mid nineties and I'm sure if we went back in time you could find tribalism. Adam makes a good point that isolating yourself to one team doesn't make you a fan of the sport itself. I love wrestling and primarily only watch AEW at this point. I would watch AEW and WWE but WWE just doesn't do anything for me in regards to entertainment so I just stopped it. Doesn't mean I am team AEW, I just like it more than what else is shown
The whole idea of AEW was they were supposed to be the alternative to WWE. But they're making the same mistakes TNA made post-2009. They're become WWE junior and hiring all these ex WWE guys isn't helping.
There is the WWE that has Sami turn on Roman at the Royal Rumble. There is the WWE that has a giant Cinnamon Toast Crunch dance Rey Mysterio to the ring for what is supposed to be a serious match. &There is the WWE that allows things like the Janel Grant & Ashley Massaro incidents to take place. Very rarely is it the first one. AEW is the more reliable/higher quality product.
I got so fed up with the fandom recently that I stopped following wrestling news and stopped participating in the discourse. I legit had a moment where I contemplated giving up wrestling, but then I thought that I'm not going to let others ruin my enjoyment of something that's been a big part of my life. It's been so nice being removed from everything, and I can just watch wrestling. I don't really care about initials. If I'm interested in a product, then I'll watch it or at least keep up with it. AEW is the only product I watch on a weekly basis at the moment. I watch WWE's PLEs and sometimes catch TNA's PPVs, but I don't watch week to week. That can always change though. The amount of times people online have accused me of being a tribalist or hating certain products says a lot about the community. I'm glad to be out, if you reply to this comment, I will not respond. :)
Finding TNA was like a miracle for me. As a kid who was tired of the formula, seeing that 6 sided ring and the superstars made me so happy I had another option out there.
Wrestlers can go to whatever company they want. There shouldn't be this split between fans as there is. Edge/Adam is the same amazing performer no matter what company he works for.
I love Adam's positivity. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I am a wrestling fan. I didnt stand it with WCW vs. WWF vs. ECW., i didnt understand it with TNA vs. WWE, and I dont understand it with AEW vs. WWE. It's just rediculous to me. Absolutely absurd.
Back in the day with WCW and WWF it was understandable, they aired at the same time. Now, there is no excuse. You can watch all wrestling programs at your own convenience.
Come on. Let’s be honest…the biggest tribalist of them all is Tony Khan. He constantly attacks WWE by calling it the Evil Empire. Hell, he was just doing that a few weeks ago.
@@hyperchord they have been around a lot longer and know how to grow their fanbase. aew needs to take pointers from them. otherwise they will disappear like all the rest
I rely a lot on TH-cam for any wrestling that's not WWE or AEW cause those 2 are aired weekly on cable. I like watching independent wrestling, CMLL, ROH, TNA, NJPW. During covid I watched pretty much every will ospreay matches that were available. I stopped watching WWE from 2013-2022 after I got cable post covid I started watching WWE again and was able to watch weekly AEW not just watch Dark and highlights from dynamite/ rampage
I’ve said this many times now.. I’m like Adam was or still is with wrestling. If you think about it, wrestling is available to be watched a guaranteed 6 DAYS A WEEK. Sometimes 7 if there’s a PPV (or PLE), 10 years ago, it was what? 4 days a week including PPVs? We as fans have so much wrestling contest at the click of a button what is there to complain about? Like they’ve said in basketball, “ Just shut up and dribble.” Well, just shut up and watch wrestling. 🎤 drop
Tribalism exists because of quality control issues. When I was younger, I was able to watch TNA and WWE and enjoyed them equally. TNA had a lot of homegrown stars like Bobby Roode, James Storm, Abyss, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe, with a good mix of established WWE names like Sting, Booker T, Kurt Angle, Christian, etc. So, it made for compelling TV, at least from a kid's perspective. However, I think AEW would be much better if Tony stopped booking the show. Also, I think these smaller wrestlers aren’t much of a draw besides MJF. So, I guess it all comes down to a matter of preference. I think many people like WWE presentations and creative direction more than AEW. Which creates this feeling of being WWE or bust within IWC. So that’s where the tribalism comes from. It’s like NFL vs UFL.
Thats not a problem for me ill watch any wrestling that is good but i cant watch aew anymore. That ship has sailed for me i think. I do check out what edge/Copeland is doing because he i a childhood favourite of mine. I always knew he would be a main eventer and people thought I was crazy lol he was my favourite from 99 and finally after the ladder match at mania people started seeing it more and more. When i would tell people he was my favourite they would always say but the rock is better or this guy is better and he will never be champion and my own big brother who was a few years older and understood wrestling more even said it wouldn't happen but i never lost faith. The night he finally cashed in i felt so vindicated for my years of belief. But even if he didn't win it he was still gonna be my favourite and im glad he is still doing what he loves. But going back to what i was saying about aew i will check out his stuff but cant sit through the whole show i just cant stand some of the wrestlers too much to watch.. its not heel heat either i just groan when certain people come on screen. Anyway good luck adam/edge ill check out your stuff always dude you were a big part of my childhood.
I like AEW but I just can’t support Tony Khan and The Bucks after the mismanagement of CM Punk. Their TV can be great but I just see a boss who isn’t fit for the industry and 2 troublemakers.
I completely understand where Adam is coming from I don't have allegiance to inetales I personally only watch wwe cause I find it truly entertaining like I don't watch tna anymore cause it wasn't entertaining anymore just like I don't watch aew it's not entertaining to me love you Adam hope the rest of your career turns out how you want 😊❤
@@dylansetright3359 That's not what he's saying. Those who say "Where the best wrestle" means they believe the best wrestle in AEW. Doesn't mean the other places are shitty, doesn't mean the other places are not worth watching. And of course you would root for your own place. Nobody would say "Our program is good but go watch the other one too.". No one would ever do that.
🤔 dunno, Adam ...have you ever seen or heard one of your boss's media scrums...maybe you should be talking to him about the "negativity of tribalism"...that dude reeks of it every time he opens his mouth...
It would be so nice if AEW would form a partnership with WWE like TNA did instead of them taking shots at each other especially AEW which I got to admit I really haven’t really been seeing them do lately. I love seeing two different wrestling companies working together just like what WWE and TNA Wrestling are doing right now. As professional wrestlers regardless if they’re in WWE, TNA or AEW they all do it for the love of the sport at the end of the day.
The Irony though is that his boss Tony Khan STARTED the Tribalism and taking pathetic shots at WWE for the past 5+ years and is PART of the Tribalism between "WWE vs AEW". I want to agree with Edge (there's apart of me that agrees with him. don't care that he's going with his real name, to me he's edge) about the Tribalism and how everyone should just enjoy wrestling but it's kinda hard to enjoy it when his boss was the one that started it, having pointless arguments with "WWE drones" on X (which him unknowingly giving them the satisfaction of attention), his obsession with whatever WWE'S doing (especially expanding their WWE product and Tony Khan refusing to take valid criticism to make the AEW product grow and do better. What I find funny is that even though he hates WWE, he sure loves promoting them during their live television apparently 😂) and "fearing for his life" when pretty much nothing happened when they aired the "Incident" between CM Punk and Jack Perry. His promo about Tribalism in professional wrestling definitely didn't age well and most likely wouldn't, because there's always gonna be pointless WWE vs AEW arguments between "fans" regardless. (Keep in mind that he cut that promo a day later because of what Punk said during his time in AEW, which wasn’t really that bad when he was talking about it from his Point of View) Edited: to the people I offended, I just want to say....Thank you for proving my point that Tony khan STARTED and is PART of the Tribalism between "WWE vs AEW" that has been going on for 5+ years (in delusional "fans" heads), Adam's promo not aging well, and to STOP taking whatever Tony Khan/ Dave Meltzer says so SERIOUSLY for whatever reason (they both make excuses whenever they got something wrong, stayed delusional that everything "is fine" instead of improving their product FOR THE BETTER) and instead of trying to be in pointless arguments about "why this company is better than this one etc" that isn't nor ever resolved, maybe.....I don't know, GET A LIFE! Who I'm kidding, it's IWC that we're talking about. They easily get offended, stay in their delusional minds, (NOT) thinking whenever someone critize AEW to improve and grow the product, they attacked because they don't understand the differences between hating a company they support and giving valid criticism to have and make the company successful so they can actually be more supported in the future, making up excuses instead of facing facts and NOT WANTING to IMPROVE the company they "supposingly Support" and once said that AEW was gonna be the reason WWE goes out of business...all because the IWC don't know how to get a life.....Dang, that's sad.
@@FL3MSH4DY let's see the difference. 1) Not as much as AEW, they (WWE) do it in a subtle way (and they do it....maybe once in a while) where 2) AEW keeps mentioning or referencing WWE every week on their live shows for the past 5+ years (even you got to admit, it's tiring at this point) giving free publicity/advertising to WWE, not to mention that 3) WWE is literally doing its own thing to improve their product and has been doing well eversince Endeavor TAKEOVER WWE (and before that Nick Khan- the SUPERIOR Khan 😂). Where 4) AEW (mainly Tony Khan) refuses to focus on doing its own thing to grow it's audience and improve their product and keep taking shots at WWE to "prove they're the best Wrestling company." Thank you for proving my point of Adam's promo about Tribalism in Wrestling and how his promo didn't nor will ever age well mark, I appreciate it. 👍 Have a nice day 😊 👍
@@thepunisherclub6442 yeah when WWE take shot on AEW is mostly on commentary or subtle jab in promo and mostly in the interview not the whole segment on live TV
@@sanyadev97 I'm sorry that you need everything spelled out to you to understand things, it much be very difficult for you. Literally the only person in the time he made that comment that he could have been talking about was Ospreay. A man who negotiated with him in good faith and then got shit on for choosing to work elsewhere.
I understand what Edge is saying, but the one who is contributing to the growth of this tribalism is Tony Khan himself. When he compares WWE to a criminal, as he has been doing lately, that's ridiculous. And wrestling fans who only follow WWE are creating more and more contempt for AEW. Even AEW fans are realizing how ridiculous Tony Khan's behavior, always attacking WWE, is one of the reasons why AEW's ratings are dropping. Therefore, most of the blame for this tribalism lies with Tony Khan himself.
@@IntoxicatedGhost1 You're right. The two parties most responsible for all this simple minded tribalism are big mouth Tony Khan and the hateful wwe stans.
@@IntoxicatedGhost1 I didn't say it's all Tony Khan's fault, I said a lot of it is his fault and I haven't seen anyone in WWE comparing AEW to a criminal. I'm a wrestling fan and watch different companies like TNA, Triple AAA, WWE and even AEW. but from your comment I already realized that you are a fan of Aew and can't bear to hear the truth. You're a crybaby like Tony Khan
@@certezaabsoluta or is it that you can't handle the truth that TK has started acting like this because of the last 4 years of having a constant barrage of insult trown his way from WWE fans? What IntoxicatedGhost1 said is the truth. From the moment the company was announced WWE fan have been treating the guy like he ran over all of their dogs. The pure amount of toxcitity and vile that has been thrown his way would make anyone crack. I don't agree with how he has been acting, but don't sit there and act like there isn't a reason why.
@@certezaabsolutaWWE hasen't compared AEW to a criminal, no. But they have tried to shut them down from the start with contract tampering and pushins ppv's to same weeknds. WWE dod not make it easy to like WWE before 2023.
Well, that promo about tribalism and 'enjoy wrestling' should be for your boss and that should have happened on the backstage not in the middle of the ring.
See, this is exactly my problem with CVV. You've got a dude sitting here saying "i dont understand tribalism etc etc", and not once does Van Vliet say "well you know, the dude you work for is easily the biggest source of said tribalism these days and that doesn't help" But not, we get the wrestling equivalent of "i watched the movie last night and OMG u were amaaaaaazing"
@deathmauler181 it's not antagonizing a wrestler to speak facts about the owner of said company. It's like saying vince is the reason wwe was more or less nonsense and weird during the pg era because Vince didn't know how to book shit, Tony is bad about dragging drama through the mud because he was made fun of for his pathetic "I was fearing for my life" then made his top talent talk shit about wwe and cm punk because viewers don't bring in money, the Dave Meltzer ratings do
@@Ownerz4life7 it will actively antagonize and put them off from coming back. Assuming he has to clear his appearances with Tony, that will also get in the way. You can't get answers from people who will shut down. Honestly have you spoken to anyone on things that they were unwilling to talk to at first, brute forcing a conversation isn't always a good way to get answers.
@@deathmauler181 then what are we even watching if any questions people want to be asked aren't going to be like as pathetic as I think halwani sometimes is I have to give him that he asks all the questions that are out there
@@trollfacemafiagaming6036 someone asking questions on recent events You build up a connection with people then you ask the questions that may rock the boat. If people are more comfortable with you addressing topics that are more spicy becomes alot easier
This is bs. Like which aew fan doesn't know edges work in WWE? That's a stupid statement. Then Adam says he doesn't understand tribalism? He grew up in the era of tribalism. Ok as he said he more than likely did take in every wrestling to him available but the era was literally called the Monday night wars FFS. Also his opinion is based on now being on the b team. If it's close enough to even qualify as a B operation. It's kinda like TNA, most WWE fans CBA with watching another wrestling companies 5(or whatever) hours on top of the wwes 5 hours of weekly Tele, more if they watch NXT. Also I think you'll find the tribalism actually comes from aew fans who try to convince themselves that they are witnessing a better product.
But wrestlers are causing this, using their influence as icons to stick to one product, Nash, Austin, Taker. Then you have Legends like Kurt Angle that even though made a good career in TNA, not going to AEW just to please his status with WWE. Olus Booker T, cause he wirks there. Bully Ray with his legends contract. DDP & Luger didn't appear in Sting last match cause of the WWE influence. Then if someone like RVD goes to AEW, he gets punished from appearing in certain WWE events. RVD said this himself, olus Kurt Angle, Luger and DDP. Then you have someone like HHH persuading AEW talent to go just cause its WWE, xause they fear if AEW keeps it young talent, theres no stopping it. Thats why WCW got ahead, legend were willing to go to WCW, cause WWE hadn't created this monopoly, they gave them an advantage. After 20 years of no real competition, now you'll never see the biggest legends go to another company. Like when Gogan, Savage & Piper left. WWE legends contract, plus outside Hollywood gigs keeps them happy. If Cena had gone to AEW or Brock, now that would beeak the internet & some of the tribalism. Cause their fans would be forced to watch them. So what AEW can only do, is continue to make new stars when WWE picks up their top talent cause they have that legendary advantage AEW doesn't have. However WWE can't push them all. But their good at pushing 1 , 2 3 new arrivals. But hiw woukd that nake their loyal rister feel? In Wrestling their more talent to move up cause there's just a few wrestling companies in comparison to sports teams.
Ashley Massaro still deserves justice. As does countless other victims of McMahon. But NO ONE can convince me that Vince and Laurinaitis were the only people who knew anything about (or was involved in) this stuff going on for decades! I love watching lot's of different promotions (always have). But WWE can piss off!
It’s fucking depressing reading the comment section on any story about AEW. It’s just WWE fans hijacking it. I remember Booker T when WWE was doing badly a couple of years ago saying They’re my team, I want my team to do well. And I thought, Jesus, you’re talking about a corporation, Book.
Personally I haven't been a fan of WWE since 2005, and haven't watched a full event from them since Mania 21. I just don't like how they present wrestling. However, I'm happy they exist, I think they're moving in a better direction without Vince, but it's still story driven as the #1 priority. Look at WM XL, lots of people liked it. It was just mid to me. Most matches that I saw were ok, nothing special. I prefer action as the #1 set piece. But I am not tribalistic to one brand. I like pretty much all wrestling.
History repeats itself and what i mean by that is tribalism within the wrestling community has always been a thing it's just more amplified with social media being relevant. There were people who strictly watched WCW, ECW, and WWE back in the 90s however it wasn't as "in your face" as it is today
Competition is good, competition is NECESSARY, competition makes everyone better. Saying that, I lost respect for him doing that BS rahrah speech, which others have gotten decimated for, especially since his boss turned around and then insulted the locker room he claims to love. No longer a fan. Christian is awesome though!
Imagine attacking a friend who goes from a Tesco cashier to be a Walmart cashier. It's literally just a job and these people are workers. The internet really desensitized you all, these are not imaginary characters. Also how do you know he isn't happier here than in WWE? I don't watch AEW at all (ok I must tune in for MJF and Ospreay) but maybe it has everything he needs. Great money, lighter schedule, and maybe even other benefits he prefers. He is a made damn man, let him enjoy wrestling with Christian.
What I compare the wrestling tribalism to is sports tribalism. In some places if you like the Toronto Maple Leafs you can’t like or even respect the Montreal Canadians.
This whole term of "tribalism" seems to only be used and spoken about commonly by AEW employed people. Morgan Freeman once stated the best way to fight racism as an example is to quit talking about it; the white and black racial terms/identifiers of people. Do we call upon the complaint of tribalism when a Coke person or Pepsi person prefers a their certain brand and debates or argues over it? Do we call upon the horrid identifier of tribalism and point out two different sporting team fans cheer for their own team? F off with this woke nonsense. It's competition and people choosing who they like or dislike. Get a grip.
Cope is exactly right. I watch F1, but I'm not going to go on a tirade about how IndyCar sucks ass. It doesn't at all, and there's a lot of great racing in IndyCar. More companies are better for everyone. Especially the wrestlers because they have more options. I don't understand how more people don't see that. Everyone wins.
Watch the full interview with Adam Copeland on my main channel here: th-cam.com/video/pRPcGnZ2K3Q/w-d-xo.html
I love wrestling, but i hate the "fans"
IWC is truly the most toxic and obnoxious thing there is
@@maxvazquez7213
Wtf does "IWC" mean at this point.
Yur using outdated terms from 20 years ago.
At this point "fans" has more of a meaning.
@@maxvazquez7213You know where you are making this comment right? You're part of it, we all are.
@@elmerinase5734 sadly I'm part of it
@@TheHardys01 Since you got offended by such an "outdated" term (wonder why...) let me rephrase what I said.
Wrestling community/pro wrestling fans are so dense, toxic and obnoxious
Hope you don't get offended now
The irony of this video's comments section.
The irony of Edge saying this while simultaneously working for the biggest source of tribalism today
@@PaxBisonica89 You're a hypocrite. You're a WWE fan yet you generated tribalism by commenting that. WWE fans are the tribalistic ones. There's more of you, so you're the aggressors. Which makes WWE the biggest source of tribalism, statisitcally speaking it's a fact.
@@PaxBisonica89wwe fans are the source of all the negativity
@@purveyoroftruth7096you’re exactly right
@purveyoroftruth7096 Meanwhile, Tony Khan is the one making 99% of comments about WWE 😂
humans are weird now, back in the day you could find hundreds of fans who loved wrestling, and talk about whatever company you watched or didnt...
You thought everybody back then was cheering for both WWF and WCW? 😂
said no one over.
Back in the day there was barely another wrestling company 😂
@@ArtsyAllAroundalot of people did dunce. Alot of ppl do now. Not every fan is close minded.
@@ArtsyAllAround Exactly, I hate people like this who say we should “enjoy all wrestling”, when it’s known
people just have preferences. It’s like the Xbox vs PlayStation war, you really think one person saying “we should enjoy all consoles” would solve the war? No.
Edge: Tribalism is bad for wrestling
Will Osprey: Hold my beer
HHH threw the first shot at Ospreay.
@@jeice2226 no he didn’t, he could’ve been talking about a bunch of diff ppl, wee lil Willy is the least likely of all the potential targets. What would they even do with him in WWE? He’s barely bigger than Finn, he belongs in AEW and independents, he doesn’t belong on the big stage, not if he wants to be a top star. Yea, that lil elbow is gonna take out Bron or a Samoan, sure.
Ospreay is a Hypocrite then because he just swapped from New Japan to AEW If there was a monopoly, he wouldn't have had New Japan to begin with and would still be jobbing in AEW to this day.
@@CynicalGamingBlogTerry309 I can’t stand him myself. My first time seeing him ever was the Chris Van Vliet interview and I thought he came across as a giant bag of douche. Like he’s so much better than everyone, just a wicked douchey attitude, especially for someone that’s never drawn here in the states. His storytelling in the ring sucks, one second his fighting for his life and the next he’s doing all kinds of flippy dippy power moves without a hint of pain. His finisher is the worst too. Oh no, and elbow to the head. How will they ever live thru that, meanwhile he did 50 way more devastating things during the match, things that should be finishers.
Agree with Adam Copeland. Tribalism is pathetic. I love AEW. But if you love WWE good on you. Just can’t take the no it alls, who have nothing better to do than spew negativity and nonsense.
I enjoy both WWE and AEW, I don't understand the tribalism and the BS from people, wrestling is booming and hot again, why can't they just enjoy it?
@@Hardvengence very well said and agree 100 percent
@@Hardvengence Perfect description, i always ask myself the same thing: why can't they just enjoy wrestling? You litterally read my mind. What do i do about that? I enjoy wrestling and mind my own wrestling.
I used to enjoy AEW.....but the product forced me to wwe....which has improved alot in the HHH era. TNA is killing it, MLW is ok.....there's plenty out there to watch. It's all just ice cream, some people just like different flavors.
@@ipv-gachaedition103there's a big subsection of the IWC who's belief is "enjoy all wrestling" or "enjoy anything but WWE"
To me, liking ALL wrestling; the statement specifically is dumb. To me, there's people who like Death match Wrestling (I'm one of them), but a lot who doesn't
Not everyone needs to like everything, and that's okay. Enjoy what wrestling you like, simple as that
The problem isn't more than one company.
The problem is that the current "alternative" company is run by Tony Clown.
You are mad at a man for being the best booker in wrestling.
Best booker lol😂. He is a match maker. Dream match dream match well eventually you need to make stars and tell a story.
@@stevenheimbach574 Pretending to laugh is how millennials try to project confidence when you have no clue what you are talking about.
@redrick8900 good comeback. Ya nailed it. Give me some evidence of being wrong. Is it the staggering television ratings or is it the full houses they are performing in front of? I'll wait clown.
It's not hard to just enjoy wrestling
Even if it sucks right?
@@polsdoferAt the moment it doesn't so it's not hard right now. Wrestling has never been better than right now.
@@polsdoferdifferent strokes for different folks
@elmerinase5734 can't enjoy AEW right now because it indeed sucks right now. Plus Tony Khan is unlikable and so is 95 percent of his roster. If you like it more power to you but I'm not gonna eat garbage and call it ice cream. And just so anyone calls me a WWE shill or whatever, they had a terrible product too before and after AEW started. WWE has gotten alot better recently though.
It is when a company is as cringe and awful as AEW.
For me it's not an issue of tribalism. I'm just not a fan of AEW. Believe me, I wish there was another company that I enjoyed because when I was a kid, it was so much fun watching WWF, WCW, and ECW.
Tony khan: “AEW is the Pepsi of pro wrestling and WWE is the Harvey Weinstein pro wrestling” literally happened just 2 weeks ago
He's right though.
@@littleabigail4328 maybe the past 100% it was like that especially with Vince but not anymore
I still watch shows from every wrestling league I like. Although I realize that not everyone does it that way. But it would be a shame if there was just one big promotion that everyone followed. Furthermore, it would be bad for wrestling, because there would only be one style.
I kinda want to know if he’s seen posts saying “Tony Khan really had him go out there after the footage was shown”, and I wanna know his take on that
I think most people are just upset at the fact that they thought Adam was a WWE for life guy like HBK and Undertaker but forgetting he kinda started or made his appearance first in WCW back in 1996, gonna miss Edge in WWE a lot, but Adam so far has been in my opinion the best thing on AEW, elevating the TNT championship further.
It's like the PlayStation vs Xbox fanboys you had back in the day. So incredibly stupid!
Capital Group av" what's your Edge " got me off guard 😂
I tried to watch TNA on television the other day until I saw a commercial for TNA+ for $9.99 per month and realized that I did not want to invest in watching the television show if I was not going to watch the premium live event that it was building to. I watch multiple police shows like The Rookie and Chicago PD but they do not lead to a culminating event that I have to pay for. So since I pay for Peacock (I used to have WWE Network) I watch WWE and when Edge left WWE it really was a loss because the AEW pay-per-views are not in my budget and also time is a factor because instead of watching another show like 911 Lonestar I would have to invest more time in another wrestling show on top of paying for another pay-per-view streaming service if I wanted to follow a wrestler that went to another company.
When you have to do a cringe rah-rah speech to explain that you love wrestling and AEW, your company probably ain't at its best. I think people have become tired of Tony's booking and the show's overall silliness. The numbers back that up, too. Edge said in his first presser that being in AEW is like being in the indies. That's the problem. I wasn't tribal about WWE vs AEW until the gap between the 2 became so wide that I couldn't take AEW seriously anymore.
This , he can say whatever he wants but the booking on that show is abysmal and if we call it out we “hate wrestling “ and we’re tribalism, like bruh let’s not sit here and act like the Copeland v Christian feud was something special cuz it wasn’t 😂
I have to admit that I was upset when edge left wwe, I'm not a mark I hate that he's no longer in the wwe games 😭
Edge thinks people were pissed at him for joining AEW. MAYBE they thought he had more to do in WWE as far as putting younger talent over since he won every feud he had, beat DEMON Finn at Wrestlemania, beat Grayson on smackdown, beat sheamus on smackdown, etc. so maybe people thought there wasn’t enough giving back done.
But also, Edge goes online and sits on his porch and polices the fans by saying they shouldn’t speculate on whether or not he’s joining a different company, and then he DOES which justifies fan speculation. And then he says him in AEW is a “new character” even though he’s literally being called the Rated R Superstar and shirts were made that said “LEDGENdary” on them.
So maybe it’s not so much tribalism but people having a natural reaction to their intelligence being insulted.
And nobody wants to hear what an AEW wrestler thinks of tribalism when their boss is the worst example in media. “The fans are to blame, the fans are to blame” - look at your boss lol
alot of the negativity is fostered by the owners obsession with deflecting criticisms of his product, citing its either 'bad faith takes' or colluding bots. alongside monthly twitter meltdowns about 'bald assholes' in the fed
More companies means more entertainment for us
I don’t mind him going to AEW. I just hate that BS promo he cut the other week.
But why do people blame Del Rio for his retirement? I don't get it? I wasn't watching wrestling back then can anyone tell me?
💯💯
Tony is the biggest problem.
Ive always been wwf,e fan but also have watched wcw tna impact NJPW if my favourite wrestlers have gone there,but that's me.they are along time retired see them when you can
True, last time i watch WWE edge still a partner with christian
Wrestling is at the best it’s been in decades and we got a bunch of idiots who would rather be miserable about it than enjoy it. Wresting fans are so damn weird sometimes man.
The problem with todays fans is that they have only used to WWE for the last 20 years that their not used to seeing another company on a major TV network
Smart words
Negativity??? Tony Kahn literally called WWE Harvey Weinstein on national TV and has a wwe guy go on tv and talk about how great aew is
He's right. Vince and upper management were sex trafficking, some of which are still there.
AEW = Arena Empty Wrestling. If he’s happy wrestling in half empty arenas every night then good for him. WWE is on fire right now and it’s the absolute show to be at. AEW is only going to get worse and it starts with that idiot Tony Con. Nobody cares or even talks about AEW anymore because WWE has completely taken over the picture.
I love Edge I don’t not care nor watch Adam Copland
Wait, this is Adam
No tribalism with me I just think WWE is boring. 3 hours is an eternity to watch a tv show. Ruthless aggression era is one of my favorite times in wrestling
WWE is not 3 hits 2 hours 30 mins dude you cannot count 30 min tv adds as part of raw
@@leosnyder5264 True. I wish I could get back into WWE but since 2008 I haven’t watched very closely.
But wasn't his boss the one peddling tribalism by calling WWE the Harvey Weinstein og wrestling? 😂
Wrestling fans treat this like it's football lol these fans try too hard it ain't that deep 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro is trying so hard to sell aew. Almost like he is trying to comvince himself.
I use to watch tna and wwe and had no problems with either but when aew says there the best and constantly takes shots at a way better company it gets annoying especially when the company is a indie gathering and matches consist of infinite finishers with with infinite near falls and tiger drivers the promotions is a joke and is just there for free money to and indie wrestler whack production worse story telling aew is terrible
it’s wwe or nothing
Tribalism is fun though. Especially when your side is winning!
Edge won the WON award for dryest hair 2023.
🤣🤣
I personally wasn't angry he left. It's HOW he left. Dude announced his retirement in like early 2022 and said it would probably be in Canada in 2023. Then he won literally every single feud he was in except Reigns, which included a Rumble and a Main Event Mania spot. He literally put nobody over. Buried Demon Balór, every Judgement Day member, Miz, Rollins, beat Sheamus in his last match with the company too. He came back took everything except the World Championship and left giving IMO nothing back.
He created The New Day and didn't even win any titles while other people he wrestled against did. To say he didn't give back is foolish.
@@dannyknightblade4592 Ah yes. Who could forget Edge returning to "New Day Rocks! New Day Rocks!" Coming out playing the 🎺. He made The Judgement Day, it was terrible with him in it and then he got over on the entire group twice lol. Buried the lot of them.
The irony that the two people most responsible for tribalism are his boss and Meltzer
But go ahead blame the fans
And dont forget jim cornette
Not sure about that. Cornette bashes both if he don't like what he sees but compliments what he likes.
Upper midcard guy at best.
A filler champion.
But one of the best wrestling themes imo.
With all due respect to Edge, him leaving for AEW wasn’t a betrayal to all his WWE fans and the company that gave him everything, but it was also a horrible career move. He’s going to retire in an half empty arena instead of in front of thousands at WrestleMania. I really hope it was worth it Edge because in my mind and millions of others, it wasn’t.
It doesn't matter if Adam Copeland wrestles in front of 20 thousand people or just 20 people. As long as he's safe, having a good time, having solid matches and entertaining the fans, that's what matters.
Tribalism is everywhere from Coke vs Pepsi, Windows vs Mac, Xbox vs PlayStation vs Nintendo, etc. I have no problem with people who prefer one brand over another, However, people that want certain brands to fail because they don't like the brand but then complain about monopolies.
what do you mean ? Its not pepsivs coke. As the leader of tony khan puts it its Pespi vs harvey weinstein
I want aew to succeed but it's not even the same aew from 2019. It's slowly morphing into WCW 2000-01 and it's only a matter of time before it goes under . It's just reality
I gave up arguing with people who Only know WWE and hate on AEW.... Adam said it best "I wanted to see everything I could" thats how most of us OG pro wrestling fans are.
That is probably the most incorrect use of OG I've ever seen.
@@RagingCookie127 🤷🏿♂️
I will never understand being upset at someone for going to another company to try something new. It’s happens all the time in sports when a player gets traded to another team, but if you go to a different wrestling company “you’re a traitor”
Imagine what it's like being a person who hates to see other people get jobs? It's crazy.
*traitor
Well, what do you call someone who goes to the evil empire?
Ha.
@@Am0ment0fBSuccessful?
Facts. Some people need to get a life
I love WWE and AEW, there's great wrestlers in both companies. Both of them are putting on some great matches. As a wrestling fan I feel like we're spoiled these days with all this wrestling available to watch every week. (In the best way possible)
What is this obsession great matches? The product, stories, and characters are the most important to success and quality. Great matches come add to these things. AEW is garbage.
@@SefniAsheforr Look at your response. A wrestling fan comes in, says he enjoys watching both companies and likes the matches both companies are putting on. And your only response is to call something 'garbage.' You're exactly the problem.
@@moderndancingfoolyeah he’s a wwe mark
@@SefniAsheforr AEW has better story telling than WWE, which is just doing the same program over and over.
@@redrick8900 😂😂😂😂😂
You have to be in a mental institution 😂😂😂
They're kids who didn't grow up yet
Sad part is they aren't listening to the people who they like
They seem older people whp haven't grown up
They're 30 years olds who have no lives 😂
Adam comparing people only watching one wrestling show to going to only one restaurant is 100% accurate and true!
You are going to get tired of it eventually. Variety is a good thing!
AEW is more of a food court. The reason I prefer them is that each wrestler gets to determine their own style. Every story is different.
@@redrick8900 You sum it up nicely
Ngl when Adam went to AEW I felt super excited because I knew he was going to work with Christian Cage. They did NOT disappoint.
What truly matters is that the wrestler, wherever they might go, is happy and healthy. And that's coming from somebody who primarily watches WWE nowadays.
Best wishes to Adam!
They did disappoint though. Those matches suck and drew no money
@goby1764 how much of that money have you made? None? None. Shut the fuck up then.
Exactly. Wrestlers in both companies wish each other the best and that's all that matters
@@goby1764 It was a bit of a letdown tho considering how good that initial promo was when Christian told him to go F himself.
@@jamesange3124 except it's not?
Tribalism is currently so bad, worse than it's ever been, that I was even hesitant to look at the comments here since I'm so used to tribalistic WWE fans going "aEw BaD!" by their NPC default setting. Thankfully, this comment section is one of the saner ones in the wrestling space.
nag remeber, its not the fans of AEW that says fuck wwe, its the wrestlers and their owner during their shows
The power of talking trash to someone online that can't hit you back. We are living in this digital age where every wrestling company, every company, big or small is available at our fingertips. Indies, Japan, WWE, AEW, sit back and enjoy.
Even though I don’t watch aew rn, I agree I would love to see that company grows so better
The tribalism is because of trolls, marks and former wrestlers all having their own opinions on the internet. I've watched wrestling since the mid nineties and I'm sure if we went back in time you could find tribalism. Adam makes a good point that isolating yourself to one team doesn't make you a fan of the sport itself. I love wrestling and primarily only watch AEW at this point. I would watch AEW and WWE but WWE just doesn't do anything for me in regards to entertainment so I just stopped it. Doesn't mean I am team AEW, I just like it more than what else is shown
Agree 100%. I'm the same way.
It's like burger King or McDonald's like you'd love both but 1 is your go to 🤘🏼🔥
Like it or not former wrestlers are 100% justified to express their opinions on the wrestling business
The whole idea of AEW was they were supposed to be the alternative to WWE. But they're making the same mistakes TNA made post-2009. They're become WWE junior and hiring all these ex WWE guys isn't helping.
There is the WWE that has Sami turn on Roman at the Royal Rumble.
There is the WWE that has a giant Cinnamon Toast Crunch dance Rey Mysterio to the ring for what is supposed to be a serious match.
&There is the WWE that allows things like the Janel Grant & Ashley Massaro incidents to take place.
Very rarely is it the first one.
AEW is the more reliable/higher quality product.
I got so fed up with the fandom recently that I stopped following wrestling news and stopped participating in the discourse. I legit had a moment where I contemplated giving up wrestling, but then I thought that I'm not going to let others ruin my enjoyment of something that's been a big part of my life. It's been so nice being removed from everything, and I can just watch wrestling. I don't really care about initials. If I'm interested in a product, then I'll watch it or at least keep up with it. AEW is the only product I watch on a weekly basis at the moment. I watch WWE's PLEs and sometimes catch TNA's PPVs, but I don't watch week to week. That can always change though. The amount of times people online have accused me of being a tribalist or hating certain products says a lot about the community.
I'm glad to be out, if you reply to this comment, I will not respond. :)
That first chunk of your comment is such a mood
I aspire this same mindset. I'm slowly but surely removing myself from engaging with the fanbase too. They're hopeless to speak with.
Love Chris' interview style. I'd say chris and james from the dutch podcasts are definitely the two best wrestling interviewers out there.
Finding TNA was like a miracle for me. As a kid who was tired of the formula, seeing that 6 sided ring and the superstars made me so happy I had another option out there.
Wrestlers can go to whatever company they want. There shouldn't be this split between fans as there is. Edge/Adam is the same amazing performer no matter what company he works for.
I love Adam's positivity. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I am a wrestling fan. I didnt stand it with WCW vs. WWF vs. ECW., i didnt understand it with TNA vs. WWE, and I dont understand it with AEW vs. WWE. It's just rediculous to me. Absolutely absurd.
I feel like Tony has to stop it because it is crazy to have Edge out there to make an amazing speech then 4 days latter Tony said what he said on NFL
Back in the day with WCW and WWF it was understandable, they aired at the same time. Now, there is no excuse. You can watch all wrestling programs at your own convenience.
Come on. Let’s be honest…the biggest tribalist of them all is Tony Khan. He constantly attacks WWE by calling it the Evil Empire. Hell, he was just doing that a few weeks ago.
He's not wrong
Dosnt negate the fact some wwe fans had a meltdown when edge went to aew
@@hyperchord they have been around a lot longer and know how to grow their fanbase. aew needs to take pointers from them. otherwise they will disappear like all the rest
Man Triple H started this remember? "Pissant Company"
The problem with Tony is that he overdoes it too much
I rely a lot on TH-cam for any wrestling that's not WWE or AEW cause those 2 are aired weekly on cable. I like watching independent wrestling, CMLL, ROH, TNA, NJPW. During covid I watched pretty much every will ospreay matches that were available. I stopped watching WWE from 2013-2022 after I got cable post covid I started watching WWE again and was able to watch weekly AEW not just watch Dark and highlights from dynamite/ rampage
I’ve said this many times now.. I’m like Adam was or still is with wrestling. If you think about it, wrestling is available to be watched a guaranteed 6 DAYS A WEEK. Sometimes 7 if there’s a PPV (or PLE), 10 years ago, it was what? 4 days a week including PPVs? We as fans have so much wrestling contest at the click of a button what is there to complain about? Like they’ve said in basketball, “ Just shut up and dribble.” Well, just shut up and watch wrestling. 🎤 drop
Tribalism exists because of quality control issues. When I was younger, I was able to watch TNA and WWE and enjoyed them equally. TNA had a lot of homegrown stars like Bobby Roode, James Storm, Abyss, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe, with a good mix of established WWE names like Sting, Booker T, Kurt Angle, Christian, etc. So, it made for compelling TV, at least from a kid's perspective. However, I think AEW would be much better if Tony stopped booking the show. Also, I think these smaller wrestlers aren’t much of a draw besides MJF. So, I guess it all comes down to a matter of preference. I think many people like WWE presentations and creative direction more than AEW. Which creates this feeling of being WWE or bust within IWC. So that’s where the tribalism comes from. It’s like NFL vs UFL.
I never hated Edge moving to AEW because I want him to try different things in a different environment. But other wrestling fans are fickle so yeah...
Thats not a problem for me ill watch any wrestling that is good but i cant watch aew anymore. That ship has sailed for me i think. I do check out what edge/Copeland is doing because he i a childhood favourite of mine. I always knew he would be a main eventer and people thought I was crazy lol he was my favourite from 99 and finally after the ladder match at mania people started seeing it more and more. When i would tell people he was my favourite they would always say but the rock is better or this guy is better and he will never be champion and my own big brother who was a few years older and understood wrestling more even said it wouldn't happen but i never lost faith. The night he finally cashed in i felt so vindicated for my years of belief. But even if he didn't win it he was still gonna be my favourite and im glad he is still doing what he loves. But going back to what i was saying about aew i will check out his stuff but cant sit through the whole show i just cant stand some of the wrestlers too much to watch.. its not heel heat either i just groan when certain people come on screen. Anyway good luck adam/edge ill check out your stuff always dude you were a big part of my childhood.
Edge is right but that "negative feedback" promo was terrible. Screamed of desperation.
I like AEW but I just can’t support Tony Khan and The Bucks after the mismanagement of CM Punk.
Their TV can be great but I just see a boss who isn’t fit for the industry and 2 troublemakers.
Punk's a crybaby who got himself booted out of AEW
You're not supposed to support the bucks, you're supposed to boo them.
Tribalistic wrestling fans are right in that S Tier with Swifties for the worst kinda of fans in the world
Tell your boss to stop fanning the flames of tribalism then
I completely understand where Adam is coming from I don't have allegiance to inetales I personally only watch wwe cause I find it truly entertaining like I don't watch tna anymore cause it wasn't entertaining anymore just like I don't watch aew it's not entertaining to me love you Adam hope the rest of your career turns out how you want 😊❤
Edge: “tribalism is bad”
Also edge: “this is where the best wrestle”
To be fair, wwe hadnt used the wrestling word for a while until fairly recent
Because believing in the company you work for fuels tribalism? What a weird take...
@@Tranceplant82 it kinda does, its like going why watch anywhere else when we have the best stuff here. Goes against the idea of hey watch everything
@@dylansetright3359 That's not what he's saying. Those who say "Where the best wrestle" means they believe the best wrestle in AEW. Doesn't mean the other places are shitty, doesn't mean the other places are not worth watching. And of course you would root for your own place. Nobody would say "Our program is good but go watch the other one too.". No one would ever do that.
It is where the best wrestle.
All y'all in the comments are the problem.
🤔 dunno, Adam
...have you ever seen or heard one of your boss's media scrums...maybe you should be talking to him about the "negativity of tribalism"...that dude reeks of it every time he opens his mouth...
You’re literally doing what he literally fighting up against
It would be so nice if AEW would form a partnership with WWE like TNA did instead of them taking shots at each other especially AEW which I got to admit I really haven’t really been seeing them do lately. I love seeing two different wrestling companies working together just like what WWE and TNA Wrestling are doing right now.
As professional wrestlers regardless if they’re in WWE, TNA or AEW they all do it for the love of the sport at the end of the day.
sob he dosent acknowledge tna
their boss and his roster itself is spreading negativity
It's true that Tony Khan says a lot of stupid things and he is embarrassing AEW; but the wwe stans need to stop being so hateful towards AEW as well.
@@dannyknightblade4592 exactly. I'll give TK crap for being insecure and feeding the trolls, but the trolls where there to be fed.
He knows it, his just staying in his lane
Tribalism is even worse when the owners of one of the places is the one who contributes most to it
The Irony though is that his boss Tony Khan STARTED the Tribalism and taking pathetic shots at WWE for the past 5+ years and is PART of the Tribalism between "WWE vs AEW".
I want to agree with Edge (there's apart of me that agrees with him. don't care that he's going with his real name, to me he's edge) about the Tribalism and how everyone should just enjoy wrestling but it's kinda hard to enjoy it when his boss was the one that started it, having pointless arguments with "WWE drones" on X (which him unknowingly giving them the satisfaction of attention), his obsession with whatever WWE'S doing (especially expanding their WWE product and Tony Khan refusing to take valid criticism to make the AEW product grow and do better. What I find funny is that even though he hates WWE, he sure loves promoting them during their live television apparently 😂) and "fearing for his life" when pretty much nothing happened when they aired the "Incident" between CM Punk and Jack Perry.
His promo about Tribalism in professional wrestling definitely didn't age well and most likely wouldn't, because there's always gonna be pointless WWE vs AEW arguments between "fans" regardless. (Keep in mind that he cut that promo a day later because of what Punk said during his time in AEW, which wasn’t really that bad when he was talking about it from his Point of View)
Edited: to the people I offended, I just want to say....Thank you for proving my point that Tony khan STARTED and is PART of the Tribalism between "WWE vs AEW" that has been going on for 5+ years (in delusional "fans" heads), Adam's promo not aging well, and to STOP taking whatever Tony Khan/ Dave Meltzer says so SERIOUSLY for whatever reason (they both make excuses whenever they got something wrong, stayed delusional that everything "is fine" instead of improving their product FOR THE BETTER) and instead of trying to be in pointless arguments about "why this company is better than this one etc" that isn't nor ever resolved, maybe.....I don't know, GET A LIFE!
Who I'm kidding, it's IWC that we're talking about. They easily get offended, stay in their delusional minds, (NOT) thinking whenever someone critize AEW to improve and grow the product, they attacked because they don't understand the differences between hating a company they support and giving valid criticism to have and make the company successful so they can actually be more supported in the future, making up excuses instead of facing facts and NOT WANTING to IMPROVE the company they "supposingly Support" and once said that AEW was gonna be the reason WWE goes out of business...all because the IWC don't know how to get a life.....Dang, that's sad.
Imagine pretending WWE didn't do the same, mark
@@FL3MSH4DY let's see the difference. 1) Not as much as AEW, they (WWE) do it in a subtle way (and they do it....maybe once in a while) where 2) AEW keeps mentioning or referencing WWE every week on their live shows for the past 5+ years (even you got to admit, it's tiring at this point) giving free publicity/advertising to WWE, not to mention that 3) WWE is literally doing its own thing to improve their product and has been doing well eversince Endeavor TAKEOVER WWE (and before that Nick Khan- the SUPERIOR Khan 😂). Where 4) AEW (mainly Tony Khan) refuses to focus on doing its own thing to grow it's audience and improve their product and keep taking shots at WWE to "prove they're the best Wrestling company."
Thank you for proving my point of Adam's promo about Tribalism in Wrestling and how his promo didn't nor will ever age well mark, I appreciate it. 👍
Have a nice day 😊 👍
@@thepunisherclub6442 yeah when WWE take shot on AEW is mostly on commentary or subtle jab in promo and mostly in the interview not the whole segment on live TV
@@thepunisherclub6442 you are so full of shit and just admitted you don't even watch whatsoever.
@@kratosgow342 true
Look no further than the mark tribal chief Tony Khan as the main source of fueling tribalism within wrestling fanbases.
Yet you ignore what Triple H said about Ospreay because you have an agenda.
Never mentioned Ospreay in particular, and you know it too.
@@sanyadev97 I'm sorry that you need everything spelled out to you to understand things, it much be very difficult for you.
Literally the only person in the time he made that comment that he could have been talking about was Ospreay. A man who negotiated with him in good faith and then got shit on for choosing to work elsewhere.
I understand what Edge is saying, but the one who is contributing to the growth of this tribalism is Tony Khan himself. When he compares WWE to a criminal, as he has been doing lately, that's ridiculous. And wrestling fans who only follow WWE are creating more and more contempt for AEW. Even AEW fans are realizing how ridiculous Tony Khan's behavior, always attacking WWE, is one of the reasons why AEW's ratings are dropping. Therefore, most of the blame for this tribalism lies with Tony Khan himself.
What about wwe fans? The moment AEW got announced they wanted AEW to fail. It goes both ways but people like you are hypocrites
@@IntoxicatedGhost1 You're right. The two parties most responsible for all this simple minded tribalism are big mouth Tony Khan and the hateful wwe stans.
@@IntoxicatedGhost1 I didn't say it's all Tony Khan's fault, I said a lot of it is his fault and I haven't seen anyone in WWE comparing AEW to a criminal. I'm a wrestling fan and watch different companies like TNA, Triple AAA, WWE and even AEW. but from your comment I already realized that you are a fan of Aew and can't bear to hear the truth. You're a crybaby like Tony Khan
@@certezaabsoluta or is it that you can't handle the truth that TK has started acting like this because of the last 4 years of having a constant barrage of insult trown his way from WWE fans? What IntoxicatedGhost1 said is the truth. From the moment the company was announced WWE fan have been treating the guy like he ran over all of their dogs. The pure amount of toxcitity and vile that has been thrown his way would make anyone crack. I don't agree with how he has been acting, but don't sit there and act like there isn't a reason why.
@@certezaabsolutaWWE hasen't compared AEW to a criminal, no. But they have tried to shut them down from the start with contract tampering and pushins ppv's to same weeknds. WWE dod not make it easy to like WWE before 2023.
this describes me 100 percent i watch it all , why do you think im the pro wrestling encolypedia according to family friends etc 👌
Well, that promo about tribalism and 'enjoy wrestling' should be for your boss and that should have happened on the backstage not in the middle of the ring.
Idk because I can imagine Undertaker saying that
See, this is exactly my problem with CVV. You've got a dude sitting here saying "i dont understand tribalism etc etc", and not once does Van Vliet say "well you know, the dude you work for is easily the biggest source of said tribalism these days and that doesn't help"
But not, we get the wrestling equivalent of "i watched the movie last night and OMG u were amaaaaaazing"
Antagonizing your interviewees isn't a good way to keep them willing to be interviewed again.
Tell us you're overrly Antagonizistic without saying it
@deathmauler181 it's not antagonizing a wrestler to speak facts about the owner of said company. It's like saying vince is the reason wwe was more or less nonsense and weird during the pg era because Vince didn't know how to book shit, Tony is bad about dragging drama through the mud because he was made fun of for his pathetic "I was fearing for my life" then made his top talent talk shit about wwe and cm punk because viewers don't bring in money, the Dave Meltzer ratings do
@@Ownerz4life7 it will actively antagonize and put them off from coming back.
Assuming he has to clear his appearances with Tony, that will also get in the way. You can't get answers from people who will shut down.
Honestly have you spoken to anyone on things that they were unwilling to talk to at first, brute forcing a conversation isn't always a good way to get answers.
@@deathmauler181 then what are we even watching if any questions people want to be asked aren't going to be like as pathetic as I think halwani sometimes is I have to give him that he asks all the questions that are out there
@@trollfacemafiagaming6036 someone asking questions on recent events
You build up a connection with people then you ask the questions that may rock the boat.
If people are more comfortable with you addressing topics that are more spicy becomes alot easier
Wrestling Tribalism is the Biggest Heel in Wrestling Today….someone tell the toxic fans & TK that
This is bs. Like which aew fan doesn't know edges work in WWE? That's a stupid statement.
Then Adam says he doesn't understand tribalism? He grew up in the era of tribalism. Ok as he said he more than likely did take in every wrestling to him available but the era was literally called the Monday night wars FFS.
Also his opinion is based on now being on the b team. If it's close enough to even qualify as a B operation. It's kinda like TNA, most WWE fans CBA with watching another wrestling companies 5(or whatever) hours on top of the wwes 5 hours of weekly Tele, more if they watch NXT. Also I think you'll find the tribalism actually comes from aew fans who try to convince themselves that they are witnessing a better product.
But wrestlers are causing this, using their influence as icons to stick to one product, Nash, Austin, Taker. Then you have Legends like Kurt Angle that even though made a good career in TNA, not going to AEW just to please his status with WWE. Olus Booker T, cause he wirks there. Bully Ray with his legends contract. DDP & Luger didn't appear in Sting last match cause of the WWE influence. Then if someone like RVD goes to AEW, he gets punished from appearing in certain WWE events.
RVD said this himself, olus Kurt Angle, Luger and DDP.
Then you have someone like HHH persuading AEW talent to go just cause its WWE, xause they fear if AEW keeps it young talent, theres no stopping it. Thats why WCW got ahead, legend were willing to go to WCW, cause WWE hadn't created this monopoly, they gave them an advantage.
After 20 years of no real competition, now you'll never see the biggest legends go to another company. Like when Gogan, Savage & Piper left.
WWE legends contract, plus outside Hollywood gigs keeps them happy.
If Cena had gone to AEW or Brock, now that would beeak the internet & some of the tribalism. Cause their fans would be forced to watch them.
So what AEW can only do, is continue to make new stars when WWE picks up their top talent cause they have that legendary advantage AEW doesn't have.
However WWE can't push them all. But their good at pushing 1 , 2 3 new arrivals. But hiw woukd that nake their loyal rister feel? In Wrestling their more talent to move up cause there's just a few wrestling companies in comparison to sports teams.
Ashley Massaro still deserves justice. As does countless other victims of McMahon. But NO ONE can convince me that Vince and Laurinaitis were the only people who knew anything about (or was involved in) this stuff going on for decades! I love watching lot's of different promotions (always have). But WWE can piss off!
It’s fucking depressing reading the comment section on any story about AEW. It’s just WWE fans hijacking it. I remember Booker T when WWE was doing badly a couple of years ago saying They’re my team, I want my team to do well. And I thought, Jesus, you’re talking about a corporation, Book.
Personally I haven't been a fan of WWE since 2005, and haven't watched a full event from them since Mania 21. I just don't like how they present wrestling.
However, I'm happy they exist, I think they're moving in a better direction without Vince, but it's still story driven as the #1 priority. Look at WM XL, lots of people liked it. It was just mid to me. Most matches that I saw were ok, nothing special.
I prefer action as the #1 set piece. But I am not tribalistic to one brand. I like pretty much all wrestling.
History repeats itself and what i mean by that is tribalism within the wrestling community has always been a thing it's just more amplified with social media being relevant. There were people who strictly watched WCW, ECW, and WWE back in the 90s however it wasn't as "in your face" as it is today
Competition is good, competition is NECESSARY, competition makes everyone better.
Saying that, I lost respect for him doing that BS rahrah speech, which others have gotten decimated for, especially since his boss turned around and then insulted the locker room he claims to love. No longer a fan.
Christian is awesome though!
Imagine attacking a friend who goes from a Tesco cashier to be a Walmart cashier. It's literally just a job and these people are workers. The internet really desensitized you all, these are not imaginary characters. Also how do you know he isn't happier here than in WWE? I don't watch AEW at all (ok I must tune in for MJF and Ospreay) but maybe it has everything he needs. Great money, lighter schedule, and maybe even other benefits he prefers. He is a made damn man, let him enjoy wrestling with Christian.
What I compare the wrestling tribalism to is sports tribalism. In some places if you like the Toronto Maple Leafs you can’t like or even respect the Montreal Canadians.
This whole term of "tribalism" seems to only be used and spoken about commonly by AEW employed people. Morgan Freeman once stated the best way to fight racism as an example is to quit talking about it; the white and black racial terms/identifiers of people. Do we call upon the complaint of tribalism when a Coke person or Pepsi person prefers a their certain brand and debates or argues over it? Do we call upon the horrid identifier of tribalism and point out two different sporting team fans cheer for their own team? F off with this woke nonsense. It's competition and people choosing who they like or dislike. Get a grip.
Cope is exactly right. I watch F1, but I'm not going to go on a tirade about how IndyCar sucks ass. It doesn't at all, and there's a lot of great racing in IndyCar.
More companies are better for everyone. Especially the wrestlers because they have more options. I don't understand how more people don't see that. Everyone wins.