100 per cent right. Same problem in Superleague. Same problem in Rugby Union. Inconsistency. Generally a player will get suspended if the player they caught goes down, doesn't matter how hard/bad. Same kind of tackle and the player stays on the feet, they don't even get cited.
To why soccer is loved by men who believe in manipulating the system to get a result. League is about men standing firm, playing fair & most of all about winning good spirits.
Couldn't agree more. Let's go back and watch that Billy Slater shoulder charge again shall we. Then compare it to what we just saw on the weekend. I'd love someone to explain how Billys wasn't a shoulder charge and how he didn't get suspended for even a week yet these blokes get several.
😂😂😂 I’m glad someone else can see that bs this nrl is catering these bloody soccer mums .. mate wat about.. last years origin.. handbags at 10 paces gets the biggest cheer of the night in the origin with haas v tino.. was it all the soccer mums cheering ??when will the nrl wake up
Last Rugby union world cup was a shambles because of this issue. Record number of Yellow and red cards where issued, where even attacking players were sent off for accidental high contact with defenders (when defenders went high and came off 2nd best). This is were the NRL is heading if it continues down this path. What a joke!! They need to look and learn right now! Its important that players are protected, but this is just plain stupid and will wreck this game.
I believe the first kick return defines what rugby league is. Hard brutal and defender and attacker getting the upper hand. Its what sets the game apart. This BS is why I cant watch a full game of rugby. Il be going to netball soon. The only game which seems to be getting more intense
This is the reason the NRL has any struggles with spreading the game and keeping fans. I can't understand why a man who's aiming to tackle another man in a contact sport can be sanctioned for hitting another guy really hard (not in the head). Also, when player 1 falls down 3 feet and hits the arm of player 2 by pure accident, player 2 gets put on report for a head high tackle. However, if exactly the same thing happens except player 1's head hits the hip or knee of player 2, it's just an accident. I'm not advocating for harsher rules, I'm wondering where reasonable and sensible discretion of the late 90's and early 2000's has disappeared to. I understand that player welfare is incredibly important, but every player knows what the risks are. Penalising every playing who infringes upon a "by the book NRL rule" without recklessness or intent is not going to ever help this game. What needs to be done is this- 1.Players who are involved in reckless or intentional behaviours that put another players health at risk should be penalised. 2. Players who have suffered possible head injury should be assessed and treated accordingly. 3.Use of discretion and common sense at the level of the referee. If the referee makes an mistake (as every ref still does even with all of the new laws and rules), fans will talk about it for a bit and forget about it eventually. That's sport- HUMAN- People make mistakes. Kids grow up being told to accept the refs decision and to move on. Why is it that we forget this when it comes to the NRL? The referees are going to make mistakes anyway. Why are we making this game so damn restrictive? Its starting to look like a dictionary when it should look like a half played Jenga stack. Why do we try and eliminate every single error with bunkers and pocket referees and slowly tightening rules that are ultimately destroying our game? Anyway, we have this conversation every damn week and nothing is changing in the direction the fans want. Someone, please, pull your finger out and do some logical and useful.
Love the shoulder charge. This game's gone soft. As long as it doesn't hit the head, I don't see how it isn't a legal tackle tbh. This is a system where an effective tackle isn't rewarded because they want the speed of the game quicker, like a legs tackle. There is no wonder why wrestling and body tackling is the norm just to try and slow the player down.
I just love listening to Gus. We can't go into all our own personal details, but so many of his arguments are analogous to experiences in the workplace. Inconsistencies, injustices and sometimes downright illegalities. I firmly believe it is a social problem not just rugby league. Political correctness, social justice warriors, call it what you will. The inmates are running the asylum.
"Are we going to start penalising head clashes"? The NRL already has, remember a couple of years ago when Dylan Napa was put on report for using his head as a weapon in tackles because it caused head clashes? He was told to change his tackling style or he would be put out of the game, he was also given heavy suspension. So this is already a reality in the NRL.
@@danielkelly4487 ok thanx, I was just pointing out that this panel had forgotten the Napa suspensions for head clashes, not comparing it to anything now.
For Abdo to put out a statement, tells me they are covering up the inadequacy of the judicial system, just admit its wrong & make changes. Lets remember, league is about contact & lots of it
I was finding it funny when Lucas Browne couldn't find a glove to fit so I searched, AMAZING! Kids boxing gloves!?!?!? Bugger off and bring back the biff 👊
Its probaly max 1 week for accidental reckless contact with the head, he hits him with arm out on the chest, the whiplash after that is not the fault of talaka, he cant control gravity
What makes the game the "greatest game of all"? The talent and the big hits!, That's it!!! I say throw the doctors and lawyers on the paddock for 10 mins and they might just appreciate what these guys are putting on the line for their clubs! Gus has hit the nail on the head!
Gus Gould played for 81 Newtown Jets, which faces Manly Warringah Sea Eagles during major semi final, which lead to the ultimate scrum brawl between both clubs. Remember the battle between Broadhurst (Manly) & Bowden (Newtown), which resulted in two headbutts. Broadhurst kept playing the game with two black eyes.
The biggest problem is the flavour of the month crackdowns. One week suddenly there's a million crushers on report, the following week it's contact with the head. The crushers didn't magically disappear the following week, they just narrow their vision down to one specific offense and let last weeks problem go. It leaves fans and players confused, I've seen so many incorrect play the balls (not using the foot) this season, yet last season it was in vogue to penalise anything that wasn't to the letter of the law. My suggestion to the Nrl is to cover all areas WELL. Don't attempt to be perfect in 1 area because everything else will be neglected and you'll be playing whack-a-mole with every possible charge/penalty/offense until this mess is fixed.
Thats why I consider the best period in League was the WINFIELD CUP ERA...I watched every game back then n they were awesome to watch. Now n these days, I dont even bother unless its the STATE OF ORIGIN and the Grand Final...Too much rules taken out n added taking the Sting out off this great game.
My god your right mate. I have had no interest in it for years. Toned down rubbish for years. It was great in 60s and 70s. Now just woke crap like everything else.
The bigger stronger man now has to cuddle the smaller guy to the ground. What have arms got to do with a forceful tackle? Arms wrap automatically with a tackle but if the ball carrier is too weak he will bounce away from the defender before the defender has a chance to wrap the arms. This is about as dum as when the refs penalised players for not touching the ball with their foot while playing the ball, a few years ago.
Totally agree, the impact was so hard they didn't have a chance to wrap with the arms, they bounced off too quickly. If that's what a shoulder charge is nowadays, they need to change the definition of a shoulder charge
I get it and stop pretending the people on the panel don't get it. It's called gambling . The games are rigged and it's becoming harder and harder to sit down and enjoy the footy.
Why focus on Mums and kids ? Kids want to play the game mums want to cotton wool their kids you will never change how mums feel. When i was a kid they were terrified of scrums. kids wanting to play is way more important than what mums want. Does anyone think mums want their kids doing UFC? but kids do
The overarching problem Gus briefly touched on is a societal problem in general: All institutions over time inevitably become increasingly risk averse, and in the political and social climate of today, the game's elite are attempting to eliminate anything where the media can claim the game is flippant towards safety (on the field) and accepts hooliganism (off the field). The end result is an overly fastitious, puritanical approach that becomes so black and white, and changes so frequently, the game's actual value begins declining. The irony is that, while whinging parents are a part of this, the biggest element are these journalists themselves, who target the NRL to such a great extent the decision makers up top feel it's necessary to react. You notice the journos were especially quiet when Gus and Gal, the former players, mentioned that these top dogs need resilience, to stop being so reactionary. A media-unresponse decision maker is the media's worst nightmare. They will gladly rip apart, out of context, any decision made, and it's high time these top dogs realise they are being played so the media can have a story to run with, and take the cheap shots. Given the media cycle is all of about three days, they just need to wait a few days until the journos find something shinier.
Everyone outside of the NRL bubble questions the competence of the judiciary members, hilarious Edit: *man hits another man in neck and jaw with point of shoulder* Gould and Gallen - that’s not even in the postcode of a shoulder charge
The attackers jaw hit the shoulder through the whiplash motion. It's not the defenders fault that the ball runner folded like a camp chair. It was a clean hit.
Just a comment. Greatest skill in Rugby League tackling. Anyone around today see Raper Coote Clay tackle. Tough men. They never hit high. Just classic defence. I know different game. But better. I dont think so.
Rugby League is not the game it was. People loved how tough the men and the game was much more in the years gone by. 50s 60s 70s 80s. Then something just went wrong. Its a sign of the times. Like everything else in life they want to tone it down. Scared of backlash. Litigation.
Latrell Mitchell charge, I'm fine with lashed out with his arm, hit in the head, 2-3 weeks. The sharks player, I think did get him high, but arm was attempted to wrap, not a shoulder charge. Maumalo should've been penalised with a shoulder charge, arm was tucked and was leading into it and not the other bloke who copped a head clash with the storm player. As for the Rava hit, arm was tucked and attempted to wrap as the impact happened, but was in low in a tackle position, not a shoulder charge. There's 4 things they should be looking at, 1) was the elbow extended enough for a wrap tackle 2) was there separation between elbow and body 3) was the player that committed the offence in an upright position, or in a low tackle position and 4) was the shoulder the first point of contact with the player
@@mz282 a couple of thousand dollars fine to some one who gets paid 100s of thousand dollars is insulting only to the fans and nothing for the player...
Ravalawa, Mitchell, talakai, pereira many more and somehow Angus crighton gets a pass and the Tariq sims high shot. There's clearly an agenda going on here.
@@danielkelly4487 that Pereira one was jus unlucky coz tedesco was falling over. If tedesco never lost his footing it would have hit him straight on the chest no doubt
Two prehistoric players from the dark ages. If these two don;t like or understand the rules move aside and let someone else do there job. MITCHELL kicks someone in the face but thats okay because the bloke was holding his leg. Are you serious. They have stuck there head in one scrum too many. Seek help
Gus and Gal in 100% agreement for the whole conversation? This must be serious 😂
Hell is freezing over. 😂
100 per cent right. Same problem in Superleague. Same problem in Rugby Union. Inconsistency. Generally a player will get suspended if the player they caught goes down, doesn't matter how hard/bad. Same kind of tackle and the player stays on the feet, they don't even get cited.
Gus is totally right here. If you start to reward guys falling to the ground (milking penalties), you’ll end up with a husk of a game.
You get soccer
To why soccer is loved by men who believe in manipulating the system to get a result. League is about men standing firm, playing fair & most of all about winning good spirits.
This sports gonna lose fans very very very quickly if it keeps going like this
Couldn't agree more.
Let's go back and watch that Billy Slater shoulder charge again shall we.
Then compare it to what we just saw on the weekend.
I'd love someone to explain how Billys wasn't a shoulder charge and how he didn't get suspended for even a week yet these blokes get several.
NRL has been losing fans for years. It's hard to watch these days.
A pleasure to hear this insightful contributions
RIP Rugby League.
Strangled to death by Volvo driving soccer mums.
So true.
😂😂😂 I’m glad someone else can see that bs this nrl is catering these bloody soccer mums .. mate wat about.. last years origin.. handbags at 10 paces gets the biggest cheer of the night in the origin with haas v tino.. was it all the soccer mums cheering ??when will the nrl wake up
Some of these guys have played some have not ..... speaks volumes
Try being a Union guy, they have ruined rugby union, Red and Yellows cards in every game for nothing, hopefully they don't ruin League as well.
The Gouldfather is ALWAYS right
The biggest issue is the need for greater transparency and a clarification of the process. Long term it will help the game.
So ironic. It's been broken for years, but now that it's affecting certain clubs in a negative way it's time for an overhaul. 😂😂😂
it's an absolute joke. The rava hit was incredible, timing, speed and force all in the perfect place.
On the hook for a 3 week ban.
the last comment from Gus is 100% spot on..
So true! I stopped watching rugby years ago cause of these same politics, doctors running games and NRL going the same way. Guess its back to ufc
Awesome discussion
Last Rugby union world cup was a shambles because of this issue. Record number of Yellow and red cards where issued, where even attacking players were sent off for accidental high contact with defenders (when defenders went high and came off 2nd best). This is were the NRL is heading if it continues down this path. What a joke!! They need to look and learn right now! Its important that players are protected, but this is just plain stupid and will wreck this game.
These guys are a great benefit to the game.
The NRL is the laughing stock of the sporting world.
I believe the first kick return defines what rugby league is. Hard brutal and defender and attacker getting the upper hand.
Its what sets the game apart.
This BS is why I cant watch a full game of rugby.
Il be going to netball soon.
The only game which seems to be getting more intense
I completely agree with Gus, but I still reckon he’s a goose.
This is the reason the NRL has any struggles with spreading the game and keeping fans. I can't understand why a man who's aiming to tackle another man in a contact sport can be sanctioned for hitting another guy really hard (not in the head). Also, when player 1 falls down 3 feet and hits the arm of player 2 by pure accident, player 2 gets put on report for a head high tackle. However, if exactly the same thing happens except player 1's head hits the hip or knee of player 2, it's just an accident. I'm not advocating for harsher rules, I'm wondering where reasonable and sensible discretion of the late 90's and early 2000's has disappeared to. I understand that player welfare is incredibly important, but every player knows what the risks are. Penalising every playing who infringes upon a "by the book NRL rule" without recklessness or intent is not going to ever help this game.
What needs to be done is this- 1.Players who are involved in reckless or intentional behaviours that put another players health at risk should be penalised.
2. Players who have suffered possible head injury should be assessed and treated accordingly.
3.Use of discretion and common sense at the level of the referee. If the referee makes an mistake (as every ref still does even with all of the new laws and rules), fans will talk about it for a bit and forget about it eventually. That's sport- HUMAN- People make mistakes.
Kids grow up being told to accept the refs decision and to move on. Why is it that we forget this when it comes to the NRL? The referees are going to make mistakes anyway. Why are we making this game so damn restrictive? Its starting to look like a dictionary when it should look like a half played Jenga stack. Why do we try and eliminate every single error with bunkers and pocket referees and slowly tightening rules that are ultimately destroying our game?
Anyway, we have this conversation every damn week and nothing is changing in the direction the fans want. Someone, please, pull your finger out and do some logical and useful.
Love im or hate im gus should be in charge of this game my opinion only....
Love the shoulder charge. This game's gone soft. As long as it doesn't hit the head, I don't see how it isn't a legal tackle tbh. This is a system where an effective tackle isn't rewarded because they want the speed of the game quicker, like a legs tackle. There is no wonder why wrestling and body tackling is the norm just to try and slow the player down.
Is it bad that I didn’t see anything wrong with the Takakai hit. I thought it was a good hit. 😬😬😬😬. I’m shocked he got sin binned and 4 weeks
It was a good hit, and it should be legal. It's a joke that a hit like that gets punished.
No it's not bad, nothing wrong with the tackle, great shot, play on IMO
I just love listening to Gus. We can't go into all our own personal details, but so many of his arguments are analogous to experiences in the workplace. Inconsistencies, injustices and sometimes downright illegalities. I firmly believe it is a social problem not just rugby league. Political correctness, social justice warriors, call it what you will. The inmates are running the asylum.
Yeh get rid of the loading system, Gus 100% correct, let him run the NRL not some seagulls.
"Are we going to start penalising head clashes"? The NRL already has, remember a couple of years ago when Dylan Napa was put on report for using his head as a weapon in tackles because it caused head clashes? He was told to change his tackling style or he would be put out of the game, he was also given heavy suspension. So this is already a reality in the NRL.
Completely different to Curran
@@danielkelly4487 Curran?
@@peterbulloch4328 yeah Curran’s who they are talking about being suspended for a head clash
@@danielkelly4487 ok thanx, I was just pointing out that this panel had forgotten the Napa suspensions for head clashes, not comparing it to anything now.
I think cause napas style was reckless and as a good outcome he'd smash the other player cleanly but missed timed could knock the other player out
For Abdo to put out a statement, tells me they are covering up the inadequacy of the judicial system, just admit its wrong & make changes. Lets remember, league is about contact & lots of it
Gus speaks his mind and is the best analyst in any sport in my mind. He just speaks common sense.
I was finding it funny when Lucas Browne couldn't find a glove to fit so I searched, AMAZING! Kids boxing gloves!?!?!? Bugger off and bring back the biff 👊
“I’ll have to finish you” sounded a bit Suss
That Talakai binning is insane.
6 weeks?
Lmao
Its probaly max 1 week for accidental reckless contact with the head, he hits him with arm out on the chest, the whiplash after that is not the fault of talaka, he cant control gravity
@@MungasaurusBravo69420
Apparently they must now.
I can't believe im agreeing with Gus.. but he is bang on.
Only for this week then he will change his option
Gus just described how the magistrate court works.
This game has been watered down, even for the babies to play. Come on man.
What makes the game the "greatest game of all"?
The talent and the big hits!, That's it!!!
I say throw the doctors and lawyers on the paddock for 10 mins and they might just appreciate what these guys are putting on the line for their clubs!
Gus has hit the nail on the head!
The doctors and lawyers are the people keeping protecting the health and income of knucklehead players
Gus Gould played for 81 Newtown Jets, which faces Manly Warringah Sea Eagles during major semi final, which lead to the ultimate scrum brawl between both clubs.
Remember the battle between Broadhurst (Manly) & Bowden (Newtown), which resulted in two headbutts. Broadhurst kept playing the game with two black eyes.
Gus has it right here as much as I tend to disagree with him.
The biggest problem is the flavour of the month crackdowns. One week suddenly there's a million crushers on report, the following week it's contact with the head. The crushers didn't magically disappear the following week, they just narrow their vision down to one specific offense and let last weeks problem go.
It leaves fans and players confused, I've seen so many incorrect play the balls (not using the foot) this season, yet last season it was in vogue to penalise anything that wasn't to the letter of the law.
My suggestion to the Nrl is to cover all areas WELL. Don't attempt to be perfect in 1 area because everything else will be neglected and you'll be playing whack-a-mole with every possible charge/penalty/offense until this mess is fixed.
Gus nails it !
Lol i prefer when Gus and Gal are opposed. Come on Gal, give Gus a rev lol
Thats why I consider the best period in League was the WINFIELD CUP ERA...I watched every game back then n they were awesome to watch. Now n these days, I dont even bother unless its the STATE OF ORIGIN and the Grand Final...Too much rules taken out n added taking the Sting out off this great game.
My god your right mate. I have had no interest in it for years. Toned down rubbish for years. It was great in 60s and 70s. Now just woke crap like everything else.
The bigger stronger man now has to cuddle the smaller guy to the ground. What have arms got to do with a forceful tackle? Arms wrap automatically with a tackle but if the ball carrier is too weak he will bounce away from the defender before the defender has a chance to wrap the arms. This is about as dum as when the refs penalised players for not touching the ball with their foot while playing the ball, a few years ago.
Totally agree, the impact was so hard they didn't have a chance to wrap with the arms, they bounced off too quickly.
If that's what a shoulder charge is nowadays, they need to change the definition of a shoulder charge
This game is getting so soft, I understand that they have to make it safer for players but it’s getting ridiculous.
To solve the issue, change the game to touch footy.. 🙄
At this rate, I reckon next round the players will be wearing helmets and pads just like gridiron
Get rid off the judiciary it doesn't work everyone goes home happy and no one complains up the fines and sin bins
Let's just get the 2 teams to come out and play tiddly winks....its now beyond a joke and ruining the greatest game on earth
I get it and stop pretending the people on the panel don't get it. It's called gambling . The games are rigged and it's becoming harder and harder to sit down and enjoy the footy.
Gus on point 👌
"a chaaaahhhhge"
Talakai getting four weeks is strange..
Spot on Gus!!
This is why I don't watch the game anymore
Why focus on Mums and kids ? Kids want to play the game mums want to cotton wool their kids you will never change how mums feel. When i was a kid they were terrified of scrums. kids wanting to play is way more important than what mums want. Does anyone think mums want their kids doing UFC? but kids do
latrell gets more time than the dragons winger? doesn't make sense
he didn't elbow anyone in the face though?
The overarching problem Gus briefly touched on is a societal problem in general:
All institutions over time inevitably become increasingly risk averse, and in the political and social climate of today, the game's elite are attempting to eliminate anything where the media can claim the game is flippant towards safety (on the field) and accepts hooliganism (off the field). The end result is an overly fastitious, puritanical approach that becomes so black and white, and changes so frequently, the game's actual value begins declining. The irony is that, while whinging parents are a part of this, the biggest element are these journalists themselves, who target the NRL to such a great extent the decision makers up top feel it's necessary to react. You notice the journos were especially quiet when Gus and Gal, the former players, mentioned that these top dogs need resilience, to stop being so reactionary. A media-unresponse decision maker is the media's worst nightmare. They will gladly rip apart, out of context, any decision made, and it's high time these top dogs realise they are being played so the media can have a story to run with, and take the cheap shots. Given the media cycle is all of about three days, they just need to wait a few days until the journos find something shinier.
I wish they could remember who this "other bloke" is from the warriors.
Tariq Sims would have got 4 weeks if Manu layed down
No he would’ve got off with a fine like radley did
Don’t get me started Gus on the judiciary. No, no, no, no nooooo 😜
Bring back the biff!
Finish him Brace🤣
Everyone outside of the NRL bubble questions the competence of the judiciary members, hilarious
Edit: *man hits another man in neck and jaw with point of shoulder*
Gould and Gallen - that’s not even in the postcode of a shoulder charge
That's just crap
the report literally says sternum contact lol.
The attackers jaw hit the shoulder through the whiplash motion. It's not the defenders fault that the ball runner folded like a camp chair. It was a clean hit.
What game are you watching?
you're all WOKE n soft.......tuffin up Nancy....
No wonder people are confused about the Judiciary, Rugby League a simple game, and its becoming more and more political.
Who are these fans 'complaining ' about the big hits ? WHO ?
Karen's on facebook
I’d love to know who these ppl r too.. who is complaining about the biffs?? The big hits?? Who ??? I don’t get it
This Sport we so call love to watch has become a Dramatic TV series. it's an absolute Joke. Might aswell start playing touch footy from now on.
Rugby league has gone soft
Rugby league isn’t a safe sport
Just a comment. Greatest skill in Rugby League tackling. Anyone around today see Raper Coote Clay tackle. Tough men. They never hit high. Just classic defence. I know different game. But better. I dont think so.
'nor does it deserve anything like that' - I dunno, maybe it does....were the MRC watching this?
The game is officially dead big hits get penalised no more fights they pull jerseys like street prostitutes might aswel get the players to wear oztags
Is Gal wearing one of Connor McGregor’s jackets?
Rugby League is not the game it was. People loved how tough the men and the game was much more in the years gone by. 50s 60s 70s 80s. Then something just went wrong. Its a sign of the times. Like everything else in life they want to tone it down. Scared of backlash. Litigation.
I would also question the competence of them due to making this statement, very childish and when you are talking about them, use their names.
Bull latterly,s could have been much worse than it was. It was reckless. If the had broken his jaw everyone would have been howling.
Latrell Mitchell charge, I'm fine with lashed out with his arm, hit in the head, 2-3 weeks. The sharks player, I think did get him high, but arm was attempted to wrap, not a shoulder charge. Maumalo should've been penalised with a shoulder charge, arm was tucked and was leading into it and not the other bloke who copped a head clash with the storm player. As for the Rava hit, arm was tucked and attempted to wrap as the impact happened, but was in low in a tackle position, not a shoulder charge. There's 4 things they should be looking at, 1) was the elbow extended enough for a wrap tackle 2) was there separation between elbow and body 3) was the player that committed the offence in an upright position, or in a low tackle position and 4) was the shoulder the first point of contact with the player
Gus, Gal and all the punters just have to conform to how Murdoch wants to run his business
Simple solution. Yellow card-10minutes. Redcard-dont come back and play rest of game without the player position.
@@mz282 maybe. But I can't see how you can fix it without penalising the individual and the team...they need to take responsibility for carelessness..
@@mz282 a couple of thousand dollars fine to some one who gets paid 100s of thousand dollars is insulting only to the fans and nothing for the player...
Gus 🤙🤙
wonder why no one watching channel 9 , these guys are clowns
Ravalawa, Mitchell, talakai, pereira many more and somehow Angus crighton gets a pass and the Tariq sims high shot. There's clearly an agenda going on here.
Didn’t see a issue with talakai at all . But the other 3 was a charge for sure
@@danielkelly4487 the talakai tackle was just as identical to the crighton one
@@Handlethatone I meant the the other 3 Mitchell pereira and ravalawa
@@danielkelly4487 that Pereira one was jus unlucky coz tedesco was falling over. If tedesco never lost his footing it would have hit him straight on the chest no doubt
@@Handlethatone pereira had plenty of time to pull out of it and it was late definitely not unlucky
Webster is a clown
So head trauma is obviously of minimal importance for Gus - dinosaur needs to be binned
Two prehistoric players from the dark ages. If these two don;t like or understand the rules move aside and let someone else do there job. MITCHELL kicks someone in the face but thats okay because the bloke was holding his leg. Are you serious. They have stuck there head in one scrum too many. Seek help