Colorado Experience: Native Horses
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The history of our country has always been told from the colonizers’ perspective. One mythology is that horses integrated into Native American cultures after the Pueblo Revolt of 1680, but the truth was found hiding in plain sight - in both oral histories and the bones of Native horses. Archaeologists and Native Americans come together to retell the story of the horse.
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I don't get it why WOKENESS should be inserted into everything. It's a simple question - Is there any horse bones found older than 1492 anywhere in the Americas or not?
No. But here PBS and a bunch of others wage their sanctimonious self-righteous fingers - while being wholly in denial.
NO..!! IF there were tribes with horses it definitely would've been noted by the Europeans. Not only that but horse equipped tribes would've ruled very large tracts of territory. Horse use in the eastern US would've been of limited value. Its the Plains Indians that truly revolutionized life and warfare once they got enough horses.
They usually stole them from any group, native or Euros didn't matter. Lot of the tribal killing was over horses. The horses also allowed the Comanches (best example) to range further and steal more horses. Sort of a force multiplier.
Its utterly incredible, but not surprising, that such a solid historical fact would be the target of a fairy tale attempt.
Add: frankly the smaller Plains tribes are lucky the Comanche did not get horsed up any earlier in history. As nasty and brutal as they were to most other Indians, there likely would've been fewer tribes still existing when the first French trappers/explorers ventured out west. Before horses the Apache were constantly brutalizing the Comanche, as were Navajos. Horses came and the Apache headed for the hills for cover.
incredibly misleading. Pre Pueblo Revolt (1680) is still post Columbian Discovery (1492). The Aztec and Inca certainly had no knowledge of horses when the Spanish got there and if Spanish horses were used by Native people prior to late 17th century they were still Spanish horses.
Whats important is they are here now. Part of our history and deserve to be treated with respect and protected. Not killed.
Horses and camels were native to the Americas then went extinct for eons. These animals were hunted by giant flightless birds that were also extinct long before anything humanoid left a mark in the west. It's astounding that people in the Americas did so well without them for so long. Along with horses came pigs, but domestic dogs were here before.
What about the geologic events that buried a horse that deep in the last few hundred years?
I don't know why finding evidence of horses before the Pueblo Horse stealing, and when they killed the priests is so important. 40 years before? The Spanish had been to Californi and Colorado 100 years before this.
Notice when the Natives would attack whites (or in this situation the Missionary Priests) its called an up rising. 🤣 But anytime whites would retaliate its called a massacre. The do
Unfortunately Rocky Mountain PBS has an extremely woke, leftist agenda. I wish they would just stick to the facts and leave their leftist agenda out of it.
When I was a child I lived for a couple of years in Russel Gulch with my family. There were wild horses nearby, and it was a given that they had always been there before europeans ever arrived. Such majesty to hear and watch them thunder dusty trials through the valley. A most awe inspiring memory, forever recorded in my head.
Thats true we ate them into extinction about 10.000 years ago.
@@arniecockerill676 Interesting.
@@arniecockerill676 Down to 3800 years now.
We wish.
Can't DNA be examined in horse remains & fossils & compared to known breeds of horses worldwide? Wouldn't that answer questions about origin of modern horses in NA today?
Yes. And they trace back to the Spanish Barb horses. This is silly
Ummmm ... yes. And what we can prove with DNA is that horses in North America are descended primarily from the horses that came with Spanish conquistadors. Further, it is clear that almost immediately, the conquistadors lost their horse monopoly. Herds grow exponentially and people are not dumb. The use of horses was transformational, and fast. Just as smallpox raced through populations that had never seen Europeans, horsemanship caught on without Europeans present.
@@alicefreist318 so.. Escaped/stolen/lost Spanish horses that became feral were caught, trained & bred by indigenous ppl. That's always been the story I knew. Before that horses had been earlier the sectors versions in NA
Absolutely
Here's a copy of my comment, that helps understand the broader subject:
*"The Perspective of a Sociologist/Historian"*
*I felt this and knew this to be emerging: Truth of History, unfolding rapidly, through the value of Genetics/DNA Testing and the Awakening of the Collective, aided through the expansion of the Collective Consciousness.*
My degrees are in: "Sociology, History, and Journalism" with additional Post Grad Studies.
(I have discovered a variety of subjects to be inaccurate in the areas of Archaeology and History, challenging to my own Logic, History sources, the Artifacts, and Remains, structures that are misclassified and misdated.)
I have, for some time, felt the greater facts would be aided by turning to the Native Peoples, Indigenous Populations, in the Americas and the Eastern Countries, to gather the greater facts. The stories simply require greater clarity in their Interpretations.
The key points to the current inaccuracies in the stories written as History are the Influence of the "Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind"; the influence of the same in earlier times with History being largely written by the Victors; the influence of the Roman Emperor Model (the standard of warring aggression for Ownerships); + the Roman Model of Religion; and then the same attitudes and behaviors influencing the Scientific Model, superceding their own "Standards of Science and Research", as found in the Darwinian Model, the Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists using a *"19th Century Theory as the foundation and linear timeline for the Paradigm of Modern Humans", and using this as a Tool of Measure to ignore, destroy, and attack finds that don't support their Paradigm.*
Further, in relation to this Paradigm, the same Energies of Thoughts remain largely from the "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind".
Wisdom is found in the Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, where all Positive Thought Energies reside. Likewise, from this perspective the "Standards of Science and Research" originated, and the Authentic Academics follow these Standards consistently.
Many of the se whom follow Mainstream Academics, do so out of fear, and of course, all that f the fear based, negative thoughts are found in the Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind.
I'm a Sociology Behavioralist, and Behaviors speak far louder than words. *" I follow the Standards of Science and Research."*
Beth Bartlett
December 4, 2023
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
The horse and the dog are indeed similar. They work with us and support us.
I remember calling horses “big dogs” as a child, due to not knowing the name back then. Imagine my chuckle when I found out many native Americans also closely associated horses with dogs
The Apache had been raiding Spanish forts and settlements for decades. Those raids frequently freed horses which then disseminated through the continent. The pre-historic horses had long been extinct in the Americas
I am aa native Coloradan and so love learning this history. Thanks for and excellent video!
Native?
What Tribal Nation are you again?
This is not about Europeans in Colorado.
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 You people migrated here too. We just came a little later, and we won. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.
@@4runnercolorado422
My cousins from the southern border are laughing at white European people in America lol
-COMANCHE NATION
I’m local, and love native history, thats what he meant to say😊
@@4runnercolorado422what a weird thing to say
Thanks ❤horses are the best ❤
Need to find horse skeleton that is pre-1400 to prove conclusively that the horse survived the ice age extinction. This extinction is puzzling. How the horse could die out and then be so successful is weird.
Make-believe is common among many.
The Spanish brought the first horses over, the Indians didn't have horses before that.
Actually they brought the first STDS
How did they bring horses lol
-COMANCHE NATION
Yep and thank goodness they stopped exploring when they hit Plymouth Rock or they would have fallen off the edge!
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain. And there was no Comanche "Nation".
@@billhosko7723
Donald Trump Lost and the southern border is open Making America Brown Again.
-COMANCHE NATION
The photo in the thumbnail and the beginning of the video of the man on horseback is Nez Perce and in the PNW, specifically the Columbia Basin where I’m from. Makes me question the accuracy of any of the examples you used.
The specifically reference the Nex Percent in the very beginning.
Beautifully done...
The horses are part of the Native American history, thanks to the Spaniards who brought them.
Horses and camels were native to the American continent since at least the ice age. Surely it is feasible that some of the horses survived whatever catastrophe killed off the megafauna that they were part off (animals weighing over 100lbs, I believe) and included giant ground sloths.
There are many accounts of Spanish immigrants saying there were more than enough horses in certain areas. too many even.documented.I believe there's enough evidence to support that there was in fact horse's long before the Spanish came
@@omar-uu8qo Could you give us a link to this information, thanks.
@@hetrodoxly1203 Why? So you could delete the source?
@@90blackrock How could i, there isn't any.
I am 53%indigenous Indian from Mexico born in LA I love hearing Indian history.
My ancestors were Northern European and stole Native American land. I rode across fields as a young girl and even then I knew there was a deep history. I felt. I have remained deeply interested in the First Americans, from what little I can glean from- sadly- white history. I believe there is such a thing as a guilt passed down generations, like trauma. I can only have these inadequate puny words
@@junebrilly5302 Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
@@billhosko7723 I know that, what's your point?
Conquistadors DeSoto, Coronado, etc had horses when they explored the North American interior. Perhaps some escaped, were traded, or stolen ?
Exactly
The whole point of this show is that there were indigenous peoples in the Americas *who already had horses*.
Horses orginated in the Americas.
There's no *real* reason to believe none lived through the ice ages.
Seriously, the level of horsemanship in some First Nations would be difficult to achieve in a generation or two of humans.
What we're seeing now in TikTok girls jumping courses and trail riding bridleless is only now becoming a phenomenon instead of an anomoly in *mainstream* culture.
I can think of a thousand reasons American Mustangs would pack so much Spanish blood. Only one of them, and not the top of my list, would be that there were no horses here in the Americas before the Spanish came.
We've already learned that there was contact between different continents throughout our history.
No-one brought horses before the conquistadores? That's an outdated hill.
That is exactly how the native americans aquired horses.. exscaped horses multiplied to millions in a short time as they had little competition for food... natives they were quick to adopt them for travel and hauling and eating. One thing you may not know is that native americans did not fight in battle on horses. This is how they are shown in movies but no recorded battle ever tells of native americans in battle on horseback.
@@jennifersilves4195 Horsemanship isn't inherited. It's learned. Anyone with inclination and physical prowess, dexterity, motivation and knowledge of a horses mind can become a great rider. It was clear to natives that the horse could be highly valuable to their ability to travel, hunt and fight so it they were highly motivated to master horsemanship.
One cannot place a true value as to the worth of horses to the progress of man, all mankind here in north America. So true in other parts of the world also. Before combustion with metal the greatest form of transportation was by way of the horse. Like comparing today's world with the auto or truck. If we don't have one our lives are fairly limited as to what one can do and how mobile their live are limited to. The horse was priceless and toany today the same..today's form of transportation is the primary reason the world is slowly being decimated along with all it's resources. The natural way is always the safest way the other way seems to move man into a self destruction because it has developed into greed and laziness
Thank you so much for this documentary! This is truly amazing because this proves that mustangs are native and should be recognized as a native species and be protected from harassment. This is their land and they deserve to be wild and free not in federal long term holding. Stop the roundups!
Then move back to Arica. Cradle on man.
Woah PBS all horses in America are from the Old World, we have genetic evidence of this. It's the same way we know dogs were not introduced to these lands because of the deep cultural and genetic impact they have in the Native culture.
The horse evolved in North America
@@RonJacksonToahani There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Very interesting. Thanks.
Fascinating research and history..
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
I wonder if there are any known Native American rock carvings or petroglyphs of domesticated pre Columbian era horses.
Horses and camels were native to the American continent since at least the ice age. Surely it is feasible that some of the horses survived whatever catastrophe killed off the megafauna that they were part off (animals weighing over 100lbs, I believe) and included giant ground sloths.
Well Indigenous People are literally on every continent
We are first everywhere
-COMANCHE NATION
Nope. That’s not it.
Hhhhheeeeee!! 🪓
No…didn’t happen
No, they did not. No horse fossils are known between Pleistocene extinction and Spanish arrival, and existing horses are 100% European in ancestry.
The result of archaeologists with an agenda trying to prove it.
Horses evolved in North America, traveled the baring straight then went extant during the Pleistocene, so, they are American horses after all, if you go back long enough. Early Americans did come across these horses during the ice age, but only hunted them I believe?
This is a propaganda film. PBS should be ashamed
Yeup typical pbs woke prigramm
Very tendentious and incoherent program.
It is IMPERATIVE to note that something is typically only considered a fossil if it is, at minimum, 10,000 yrs old. So, when ppl say something 'disappears' from the fossil record around 10,000 yrs ago...that is not conclusive proof that it actually went extinct or 'disappeared' at all.
Yes, they should say no remains were found after whatever the date was, can't recall, which is of course the case.
Through out this hole video they don’t show one thing that proves !!!!! That Native American were riding horses before the Spanish brought them here some stories the olds bones they have are only 350 years old if they we here before then in the numbers their ‘STORES’ talk about there would be MORE 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Judy Barnes doesn't realize that the Spanish Iberian IBE genetic marker went extinct in the old world (Spain) 5,000 years ago. So those wild horses on Wild horse Mesa didn't cross the ocean with any explorer's. They were already here
13:06 I really thought they were about to play the songs.
Horses were introduced to the Americas before the pueblo revolt, but during the conquistadors first incursions into the continent.
Horses were here already. Not all Tribes were using them.
Copy of my comment:
*"The Perspective of a Sociologist/Historian"*
*I felt this and knew this to be emerging: Truth of History, unfolding rapidly, through the value of Genetics/DNA Testing and the Awakening of the Collective, aided through the expansion of the Collective Consciousness.*
My degrees are in: "Sociology, History, and Journalism" with additional Post Grad Studies.
(I have discovered a variety of subjects to be inaccurate in the areas of Archaeology and History, challenging to my own Logic, History sources, the Artifacts, and Remains, structures that are misclassified and misdated.)
I have, for some time, felt the greater facts would be aided by turning to the Native Peoples, Indigenous Populations, in the Americas and the Eastern Countries, to gather the greater facts. The stories simply require greater clarity in their Interpretations.
The key points to the current inaccuracies in the stories written as History are the Influence of the "Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind"; the influence of the same in earlier times with History being largely written by the Victors; the influence of the Roman Emperor Model (the standard of warring aggression for Ownerships); + the Roman Model of Religion; and then the same attitudes and behaviors influencing the Scientific Model, superceding their own "Standards of Science and Research", as found in the Darwinian Model, the Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists using a *"19th Century Theory as the foundation and linear timeline for the Paradigm of Modern Humans", and using this as a Tool of Measure to ignore, destroy, and attack finds that don't support their Paradigm.*
Further, in relation to this Paradigm, the same Energies of Thoughts remain largely from the "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind".
Wisdom is found in the Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, where all Positive Thought Energies reside. Likewise, from this perspective the "Standards of Science and Research" originated, and the Authentic Academics follow these Standards consistently.
Many of the se whom follow Mainstream Academics, do so out of fear, and of course, all that f the fear based, negative thoughts are found in the Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind.
I'm a Sociology Behavioralist, and Behaviors speak far louder than words. *" I follow the Standards of Science and Research."*
Beth Bartlett
December 4, 2023
@@bethbartlett5692 I hear a lot of pointing out inaccuracies and talking about higher minds, but neither you or this “documentary” have provided any evidence whatsoever
Did not Darwin discover ancient horse teeth in Argentina?
@@bethbartlett5692 There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
I don't know why, but I feel I can breathe easier now given the insightful information as to the truth, the deep truth of the origins of the Americas' equines and the horse peoples who mastered the husbandry many ages prior to any other culture setting foot on these lands.
THANK YOU ALL!!!
For your research and dedication to the majestic and beautiful horses of the Americas whom are very much a part of the history of this country as much as the indigenous tribes that cared for them as much as the Rocky Mountains that all began here....
¡MUNCHO GRACIAS!
Not possible. Horses have only existed in North America for less than 500 years when they were imported by the Spanish.
Lies based on not reading the true chronicles, the American historians twisting the Spanish Conquest.
No horses in the Americas.
There is no doubt is a bad version of Hollywood.
@@angelagonimavalero7700 Stories do not line up with facts.
Not a single Native American rode horseback before Europeans arrived. This is an absolute fact
@@superjesus4307 That is a lie! Horses were in America from ANCIENT times!!
Horses are not native, they were imported by the Spanish.
Yeah that’s what I said, but I think that’s what they’re trying to say, that there where native horses not from the old world, but I don’t believe that and besides all of the horses in Colorado today are Ferrell not “wild”.
Research this more, because I've seen people who went to Mongolia, and took dna from Appaloosa horses there, and found that they were a match for those the Nes Perce tribe breed.
@@ForrestAnna
Yes there are so many images of the spotted horse on cave walls. These drawings are so much like the Appaloosa even showing their "rat" tails.
@@ForrestAnna Research this more, horses were spread around the world through trade routes for thousands of years. Nearly all common horses share dna. Horses in the USA have existed here less than 500 years because their ancestors were brought on boats from Europe. True native horses died out long before humans ever set foor the continent.
@@superjesus4307 New world equines did not die out before people got here, but they were all gone by 10,000 to 8,000 years ago.
Too much romance in this opinion.
buen video pro no aclara la versión de los caballos antes de la llegada de los españoles. Habrá que hacer una investigación a fondo para aclarar el tema de una vez. Busque restos arqueológicos y dátenlos con datos científicos para que el estudio sea serio.
le peuple amérindiens une très belle nations et tribus.
4:19 that is some vicious bit. Wow, I have never seen anything like it. A Native American design that the Spanish had never seen before.
That’s a Spanish spade bit. The metal ring took the place of a curb chain.
@@UpSideDownDog52 Not a spade but a Cheleno or commonly called, a ring bit.
It looks very uncomfortable for the horse. Wherever it came from ...
@@TightwadTodd Yes, a very vicious bit. It can break a horses jaw.
There are some really vicious cruel bits in existence. I prefer a snaffle bit or no bit at all.
5 minutes in and i have heard more "ism" than at a clan rally .
LONG LIVE THE QUAGGA!
Still Natives Americans did not domestic them till they were reintroduced to the americas
How did they never figure out about the wheel? The medicine wheel in Wyoming is thousands of years old, yet the idea never clicked.
But the horses they are talking about are of Spanish descent they did DNA this story is just Native Americans wanting to say that they didn’t come from Europe so they can say they are the first horse people archaeology and DNA proves it
It amazes me that in north america we ate all our horses. And had to wait for the spain to bring them back.
😂😂🍻
Fyi ... the new world horses that went extinct were barely recognizable as horses. They were more different from modern horses than donkeys are from modern horses.
Boy, you ticked many off with the fact.
Those are colonizer horses. Let’s be real.
Let's preserve the wild equine treasures on our public lands b4 they're gone.Please BLM please please.
Kennewick Man was there before the horses and the Indians.
"Kennewick man" was an ancestor to the Nez Perce.
@@awake8794 No but they confiscated his remains anyway.
@@franks.2544 😆....OK
@@franks.2544his remains were given back to the tribe from that area, weren't they? I thought I heard that they were presented to the after analysis
@@kathleenmartin7498 The analysis was never completed but most scientists who studied the skeletal remains believed they were Caucasian. The federal govt. simply gave into native/tribal demands at the time.
if this is true it is so cool,
The Native American culture is poorly understood if understood at all. When I was growing up in the late 40's and 50's the bad guy was always the "Indian". At least that was what Hollywood told us. Even in school I was not educated about our Native Americans. Only study, reading and speaking to them have I learned a little. I am now approaching 80 and have little time to undertake such a study. I can only hope that a few or many will teach us about who was here first, that they had a very involved culture that continues to endure even today. My grandparents came from Russia, but I have always felt a kind of kinship to our natives.
I guess you never saw "The Lone Ranger" then.
It was not ONE culture, but many different cultures, just as was the case in Europe. In the distant past all of the modern day European countries were filled with many diverse groups with different cultures, customs and languages, just as with Native Americans.
Why don't you tell the history of Anasazi enslaving other Indians?
Would not have thought the blond haired blue eyed man was native, looks like a typical European. i guess it’s what you connect with.
pretty sure the true native american horses went extinct during the mega volcano eruption(which caused a lot of extinctions for the americas, including the american camels). i am also pretty sure that europeans(along with any who could sail a boat and make it to the americas), had been trading with tribes of the americas for hundreds of years bringing their horses with them, even before recorded history. So, yeah. I do believe Native Americans had horses before anyone who wrote history came along.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Like she said, it's about time...we know the real truth about the history of our nation/ continent. The horse is such an important part of this!!!👍🙋♀️🙅♀️🙆♀️🖖
The truth is the Spanish brought horses here. There are no native species of horse in the North American continent.
It’s important to know the truth, and be honest. The horses were brought by the Spanish. The mustangs are showing to be descendants of the Arabic horses brought by the Spaniards.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
In a country as huge as ours how can anyone be absolutely certain whether or not horses were here already when the Spanish came? Did they explore from sea to shining sea immediately? Of course not. They don't know what was here. History that doesn't fit the narrative is often thrown out, unfortunately.
live in the san luis valley, and I find very very archaic arrowheads and tool's. Did these people have the horse? I basically at the foot of mount Blanca, colorado.
No…even in the San Luis Valley…
i remember i saw a great movie in the late 70s where a indian boy met a horse for the first time (maybe it had escaped from the spanish invaders. He befriended the horse an took it back to his tribe, and it made a great impression
Horses are not a native species in the Western Hemisphere. They were not here until Europeans brought them when we came over to take our land from the Indians. The Indians also migrated here across the Bering Strat. We just came later. And we defeated them and took the land by right of conquest as has happened all throughout history. The Indians did the same thing to each other as well.
Well kind of, horses evolved in North America first, spread across to Asia, went extinct in North America, then were primarily reintroduced by the Spanish to North America in the 1500’s.
@@billhillify4924 Cool... and they even swam to Asia...
EXCELLENT VIDEO
Is it possible that this was a result of trade in mesoamerica? The benefits cannot be understated. Seems like there could have been extensive trade between Spaniards, Aztecs, and native people well before the Pueblo Revolt. Sure the lack of surface tin and copper could explain why the native people were stuck in thr stone age, but lack of large beasts of burden could also explain this. Large scale farming beyond subsistence farming just isn't possible without draft animals. Without that surplus your societal energies can't as easily be devoted to endeavors not related in the gathering of survival specific resources.
a question. why we're the natives stuck in the stone age? what kind of foots and objects of whorship have they developed, that white US americans consumes so naturally today? at least, they knew what hygiene and body care are! i'm just saying WATER!!!!
They weren't stuck in the stone age!! They were CITIES built before Columbus, aka the arrival of romans...!! But after the genocide they became like in the stone age...
Surface copper around the Great Lakes was used for thousands of years, look up Old Copper Complex
@Doug Weller pure copper makes a poor tool. Early stone age societies need tin to make bronze.
@@JessRenee91481 By heating, annealing and hammering, these cultures worked the copper into shape and produced a variety of spearpoints, tools and decorative objects.
I believe the theory that warriors did not ride mares, is incorrect. Crazy Horse's family has wrote that Crazy Horse had a mare he used for hunting.
Mares make better war horses because they are less likely to vocalize and give up your position. Ask any Bedouin.
@@alicefreist318 We prefer mares over gledings and studs for working cattle and roping , so this makes perfect sense to me. Mares are better on their feet and are harder workers.
@@rachstrom7702 I spent my "formative years" with a 1/2 Arab, 1/2 Welsh babysitter. I may be biased, but I prefer to just think I'm right.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Okay. Right from the first line this is BS. "From the deepest of deep time horses were a part of the landscape". What a crock. Horses were brought to this continent by the Spanish explorers. There were no horses, pigs, or chickens before the Europeans came here. Go back to school and learn something.
The biggest thing that kept the early Americans from advancing as much as the Europeans is that they had no domesticated beasts of burden. No Oxen, or horses to do the heavy lifting. No farm animals to live off of. In fact the reason the viruses the Europeans brought were so devastating was that the natives didn't live in close contact with animals like the Europeans did. As a result, they didn't develop immunity to swine flu, bird flu, and that sort of thing.
Don't waste your time watch this nonsense.
Fact, there were Horses, but they became extinct!
They were brought back by the Europeans.
Horse originated in North America
@@catherinemicalizzi1615 I have no idea where you got that information, but I would stop listening to whoever told you that. Horses did not originate in North America. If there were horses here in the far distant past, they were long gone by the time the early tribes got here from Asia. No American tribe had horses before the European explorers brought them in the late 15th or early 16th century. In South America they had Llamas, and Alpacas. That was the only beast of burden around, and were of limited use. Domesticated animals in general didn't really exist. No chickens, goats or pigs. There were bear, deer, mountain lions, and elk, none of which can be domesticated.
And nobody should waste their time on YOUR convoluted BS. You have such a bigoted and superior attitude that any open enquiring person should avoid your opinions
@@junebrilly5302 At what point did I say anything about superiority? And an enquiring person should study some history to find the circumstances that lead to differences in cultures to begin with, thereby leading to a deeper understanding, and appreciation of just how much the same we are underneath it all.
But yes. History can be fairly convoluted at times. Deal with it.
Why isn't this easily verified with fossils?
Because it isn't true.
The First Nations can only account stories that others tell them to remember. Only since the Spanish arrival, there is a true account of the introduction of horses and running lose in the prairies, becoming wild.
Who cares about the lying "account"?? Natives have ALWAYS had horses!!
I'm sorry but just because we refuse to share our written language and stories with you doesn't mean you get to say how Indigenous teach one another
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 are you claiming a secret written language. Keeping a secret like that if thousands know it is impossible. And do other Native Americans agree the Comanche were first?
@@dougweller
Don't try to divide and conquer Karen lol
All Indigenous agree Indigenous are First People.
Why don't you shut down our underground facility with our written documents then?
Bet you didn't know about that place.
All 3 of those generations of your family didn't keep tabs on Indigenous People and now we went and did what we wanted lol
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 I didn't realise you were joking about written documents. Yes, Indigenous peoples are culturally distinct ethnic groups whose members are directly descended from the earliest known inhabitants of a particular geographic region
Hokahey...!
I think this is sooo cool.
There is history that has been lost. I agree that when European people came here, they felt more superior because the cultures were so different. Such a wrong attitude.
We need to look at this and other archeological evidence to really tell the story. Americans want to know what happened and who are the people, the animals and culture before the Europeans. Europe is rich in history, we want a rich history too. We don't live in that age of only one culture can be correct. Most people know the history books are wrong. But where do we find the facts, the true history?
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Wrong, what happened, most of the Native Americans were still in the Neolithic period and The Spanish Kingdom was the most advanced of their time in Europe.
Rome didn’t conquered its Empire out of nothing, if it wasn’t for its advanced civilization, inherited from Greece.
Let’s instead say that when the English arrived, they wanted to destroy the Native Americans and they did despised them, treating them like “savages”. The Spanish never did that, on the contrary, they mixed with the Indians, and that is an overwhelming fact that nobody can deny. That is why, we people from the America conquered by Spain are “mestizos”. That includes the Southwest States, which part of Spain, and after, part of Mexico.
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Actually Europeans brought the first STDS and smallpox.
Their hair fell out like it still does lol
There is still nothing more advanced about Caucasians considering all the world's disease still starts with you people.
Amber Heard is the best representation of Caucasians to go down in history
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@@angelagonimavalero7700 this is a crock! There are archives that discribe the cruelty of the Spanish! No one invited the ships of horror! The Americas were very advanced. The 365 day calendar is based on our calculations. The Natives taught the Michilan man about rubber. We had one of the most sophisticated observatory in the world! Read a history or science book! The only thing the European had over us, were guns and a lot of evil greed!
@@angelagonimavalero7700 they mixed by force! Columbus was tried and found guilty of sins against humanity! It's documented! Not just the Spanish were violent towards the Natives, so were the Afros!! After all the riches Columbus took and gave to the crown, not even the queen could stomach what the Fryers and others wrote and said. It's tru history, documented! Not talking culture vultures BS!!
@@angelagonimavalero7700 chopping the foot off of Acoma Pueblo Indians men for practicing their religion in NM sounds like they were so nice.
GREAT VIDEO!
I live in the San Pedro Valley in SE AZ. Prehistoric horse remains have been found and documented from this area. It makes perfect sense to me that these evolved into present day horses and that the natives of the times tamed them and used them.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain. The little horses you speak about went extinct before man arrived.
except the archeological data shows they didn't survive the iceage.
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Lack of fossil evidence in the appropriate places means horses were extinct in North America by ~10,000 years ago. When fossils younger than that surface, I will be more likely to jump on board. Native folklore might be describing events that are only a couple of hundred years old.
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What terrible lies you are telling, fabricated stories without acknowledging the true story of the Spanish arrival. The Spanish colonized with evangelization, not with servitude or oppression. The Spanish never committed genocide, that is the propaganda of the Anglo Saxon side.
You need more research. Indeed Spanish did commit Genocide, its a fact.
@@Thunderchild505 oh!! Really? It’s a fact? We’re you there? I have been studying the history of our countries and Spain, listen to the most important Mexican, Latin American countries, and read many of the real chronicles of the Conquest and copies of documents. Study the Black Legend against Spain, the viceroyalties in the New World. The only time there was the massive mortality was with the small pox, but the Spanish also died. They only fought the Native Americans when they were challenge in battle grounds. The Conquest of the Americas by the Spanish was done by evangelization, not by destruction, not like the English that came after and really killed and destroyed the Native American Population. Study 📚 the history of the United States, and the terrible colonialism of the British, and then you can talk about genocide.
I meant I have been listening and reading some of the most important scholars from Mexico, all the Latin American countries, and Spain, and if you do not study our history, you will always be speculating and reading interpretations of the Anglo Saxon side. With exception of some great American historians, who specialize in Spanish history and culture, many of the regular academics are bias and do not have the deep knowledge of what happened. Contact Alfonso Borrego, in Texas, he is one of the descendants of Chief Geronimo, one of the greatest Apache chiefs, and he will give you his knowledgeable information and opinion.
The Black Legend against Spain was created by the French, Italian and ultimately by England to destroy and undermine the greatest Western Empire of the time. They were enemies of Spain, and lunched the biggest campaign of misinformation and war.
I already know that not even the Native Americans across the United States and Mexico know the real true about their history, and that after the English colonization, they suffered a real push and were forced into reservations or faced genocidal battles that killed many of them, and were submitted to expropriation, oppression and abandonment.
Spain never did that, only until the so called independences, sponsored by the British, our countries fell into chaos, once Spain left.
Besides, the greatest testimony of all, is our population, we are true mestizos, a blend of Indian and Spanish, in some cases of three etnias, adding the African component.
Right…go talk to the people of Acoma Pueblo…they will let you know how brutal the Spanish were in 1600’s New Mexico
Indigenous people trying to rewrite history....again. I say indigenous, but Chief Blue eyes looks like he is 100th native American and is in love with the romance of being native American.
He's 1/2 Pawnee and grew up on the reservation, then was adopted by a Crow family and lived on that reservation.
Of course most native americans would have seen the horse way before they ever saw Spanish people, if the horses where already roaming the lands. That in itself does not rule out the horses being introduced by the Spanish.
Native American Indian tribes DID NOT ride horseback before Europeans arrived . This is an absolute fact.
You were there! Fact: Awesome
You were there and witnessed it, therefore it is a fact. Is that correct? Absolute facts come so easy to those who were not there.
@@larrylandwehr7694 LOL libs in denial making up fake fantasies. Just like your dudes who dress in drag and mutilate their genitals and you call them women. Crazies!
What human beings have done to these beautiful animals is nothing short of barbaric. We have essentially enslaved them for our needs. Both white and native American alike.
Very interesting for an german professional like me. Lost year I heard/read a lot about the wild bunch of horses found in the territory of the Theodore Roosevelt National Park, newly called, restistrated and recogniciond breed NOKOTA. Scientits found out theyr DNA is the same like Viking horses (whatever ,,Vikings" means) . The origin typ of them should be the followers of the horses of Sitting Bull (I prefare his other name in Lakota). Any winter counts and others show him and his warriors on Greys or other monochrome, NOTpainted horse.
This horses must have a very very high level of reasons and courage, one stallion fought against the culling helikopter. But this is another story....
Oh that's right.
The Vikings were here long before the Spanish.
I super appreciate your input.
So the horses DID come from the whites
Excellent!
I am in your office
I respectfully disagree with this documentary. I am proud to be of Native American ancestry (Choctaw), but I want our history to be factual.
The Hagerman horse became extinct in North America by 8,000 B.C. After that, North America did not have horses in abundance for many many years .
Wikipedia:
(Quote) “horses were introduced to the continental mainland by Hernán Cortés in 1519. From early Spanish imports to Mexico and Florida, horses moved north, supplemented by later imports to the east and west coasts brought by British, French, and other European colonists. Native peoples of the Americas quickly obtained horses and developed their own horses.” (Close quote)
This story is full of wrong
history.
There were no horses when
The Spanish walked from the
Southeast to the Southwest into
Mexico in the 1500's.
The Spanish brought the
horses during the Conquest of Mexico, and the horses multiplied
like weeds. The American Indians got horses and mastered
the use of horses and that is how the Comanche stayed in power
For a long period of time.
The horses were used for war in the Middle East, long before the
SPANISH brought the horse to the Americas.
Thank you, Ben, someone has knowledge and spoke with reason. That story of the horses in the Americas, before the arrival of the Spanish is fishy, like fake news.
The problem is that people believe this kind of fake history and speculations.
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Amazing
66 million years ago....heh heh heh
what the actual f
fairy tales bs
rich white men therefore lies , ok bro that was scientific.
Just woke libs making up things and denying reality. Same thing they do with "trans" people. Trying to rewrite history, bereft of facts or evidence. Just typical libs.
These horse's the indigenous peoples acquired may not have been associated with any other people do to them already being feral . Ah , now I've watched long enough to see that you already are aware . It's the way the issue was being presented that confused me and prompted me to comment.
I assumed it was being stated that the horses never went extinct. My bad .
Owe my I heard the word. Did I hear diversity? Dom dom dom. How about hire the most qualified and don’t ever change that.
PS I’ve always heard those “men those white rich men on a hobby” Referred to as Antiquarians and they helped kickstart what came next and continued on until today but then those antiquarians also destroyed so much perfectly useful information by doing all sorts of crazy things. Some were simply calling themselves that but were instead treasure hunters.
This arouses my curiosity. Could n.america have had horses, and not s.america?? One of the historical reasons given for the relative ease with which the Spanish were able to conquer large areas of s.america was because of metal weapons, and the natives there never having seen horses. Have dna tests been done on new perce horses? Intriguing ideas, and I know our history is not always the microcosm of it we're shown in history classes.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
And yes mud ponies? Smh..
I have Ojibwa and Cherokee lol because my grandmother was from Minnesota and my grandfather was from Texas tho my dads native but I'm to diluted apparently
Empire of the summer moon by S.C. Gwynne says there were no horses here until brought by the Spaniards and no native Americans rode then until after that learning from Spanish techniques. The Comanche becoming best in the world with everything to do with horses by many accounts.
*"The Perspective of a Sociologist/Historian"*
*I felt this and knew this to be emerging: Truth of History, unfolding rapidly, through the value of Genetics/DNA Testing and the Awakening of the Collective, aided through the expansion of the Collective Consciousness.*
My degrees are in: "Sociology, History, and Journalism" with additional Post Grad Studies.
(I have discovered a variety of subjects to be inaccurate in the areas of Archaeology and History, challenging to my own Logic, History sources, the Artifacts, and Remains, structures that are misclassified and misdated.)
I have, for some time, felt the greater facts would be aided by turning to the Native Peoples, Indigenous Populations, in the Americas and the Eastern Countries, to gather the greater facts. The stories simply require greater clarity in their Interpretations.
The key points to the current inaccuracies in the stories written as History are the Influence of the "Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind"; the influence of the same in earlier times with History being largely written by the Victors; the influence of the Roman Emperor Model (the standard of warring aggression for Ownerships); + the Roman Model of Religion; and then the same attitudes and behaviors influencing the Scientific Model, superceding their own "Standards of Science and Research", as found in the Darwinian Model, the Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists using a *"19th Century Theory as the foundation and linear timeline for the Paradigm of Modern Humans", and using this as a Tool of Measure to ignore, destroy, and attack finds that don't support their Paradigm.*
Further, in relation to this Paradigm, the same Energies of Thoughts remain largely from the "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind".
Wisdom is found in the Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, where all Positive Thought Energies reside. Likewise, from this perspective the "Standards of Science and Research" originated, and the Authentic Academics follow these Standards consistently.
Many of the se whom follow Mainstream Academics, do so out of fear, and of course, all that f the fear based, negative thoughts are found in the Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind.
I'm a Sociology Behavioralist, and Behaviors speak far louder than words. *" I follow the Standards of Science and Research."*
Beth Bartlett
December 4, 2023
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
The Nez Perce were famous for breeding Appaloosas. They had these horses before the Spanish came. DNA traces these horses to China !
Make believe all u want...
If I had The chance to be part of this research I would look in The Icelandic horse DNA and The Baskhir horse DNA from Russia and see if there in these Wild horses are any match - no dought there is Spanish blod in Them - But look at The American Curly horse that does not come from Spanish DNA and also consider that The Icelandic horse could have come to America before Columbus with The Vikings and it make sense with all The Gaited Breed there is in America. If there is any footprint from these two horses in The Wild horses it confirm that there has been horses in America before The Spanish settlers and after The Ice Age - The Baskhir kan even servive -40 degree celcius - again Spanish horses has clean legs almost no hair around hoof - most Wild horses there is in America has hair locks at the hoof just like the Icelandic horse - the Icelandic horse has been isolated on Icelandic more Then 1000 years that is a pure breed perhaps the most pure breed to Day.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Speak the same thing . Words you say isn't the holly spirit speak one language
Well I have always thought by myself that since The Vikings actually where there before Columbus they took brought horses with them to Island and Greenland and why not eventually to New Foundland and north America - and The horses from Island is gaited horses and there is many breeds from US that is Gaited and it is claimed it is from The Spanish heritage but there is not very many Gaited spanish horses The only and exstinct is The Spanish Janet I am Aware off and even that one seems to only have excist in America not in Spain - but I Think DNA Can tell us The true
Why did the TH-cam algorithm suggest this video for me? Lol and why did i click
Mud ponies to horses
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