Is Taylor Swift the best ever? Jason Isbell on songwriting, politics and the South: Ari Melber Intv
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- Grammy winning songwriter Jason Isbell talks about his music, personal growth, meticulous songwriting process and appreciation for peers from Taylor Swift to John Mayer to A$AP Rocky. Isbell calls Taylor Swift a “genius” and the “biggest songwriter in the world” in this newest installment of “Mavericks with Ari Melber,” a series of interviews with artists, musicians and cultural icons. See more conversations with artists, musicians and cultural icons at msnbc.com/mavericks
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Couldn't be happier that you've showcased this songwriting genius. I could have listened for another hour.
Loved the lightning round at the end.
"I used to want to be a real man. I don't even know what that means." - wow! Jason's take on masculinity are so insightful. Very attuned man with a great interview by Ari.
yea love the idea of “if youre wrong, listen and be willing to change : thats confidence”
one of my all time favorite lines, especially when you come to the same realization
I went to high school with Ari, and my boyfriend went to school with Jason. That’s my ‘cool story, bro.’
That's a cool story!
I am a very distant cousin of Jason Isbell (eight cousin once removed). Not only is he a great musician, he is also a great person. I am proud to be related to him.
I think mathematically everyone in America is 8th cousins lol
Jokes aside I’d brag about this, too
I am too!!
I’m my own grandpa.
We're all 8th cousins of each other
If your objective with Mavericks is to encourage musical exploration, you've achieved it with this episode. I'm a 70-year-old who grew up in Nashville. I always hated it and I always hated country music. As it's evolved I guess I'm evolving too. I plan to explore Mr. Isbell's music solely because of this presentation.
Start with Southeastern
@@DougEFresh-mj1xf thank you.
@@DougEFresh-mj1xf Certainly appreciated what you shared at the Bisquait Event. You are a blessing!!!
Listen to his song "King of Oklahoma" and also "Dress Blues", an amazing songwriter.
You owe it to yourself to explore a band called the Drive By Truckers.
Isbell was in the early line-up of this band on and off.
One of the greatest bands of all time IMO
Practice, practice, practice! As a person who grew up in Alabama in the 1950's, I applaud Jason's incredible journey, his honesty, and the work he's done. I always listen when Jason speaks. He does it so eloquently.
This artist is one of the most BELOVED artists in NASHVILLE, such unbelievable talent. ❤ 😊
I've been wanting to see him play live for a LONG time. Had no idea he plays in Nashville for 2 weeks every October. Guess where I'm going on vacation next year!
Get bent Techguy
"The people with the armor on should should go to the front." This is such a great way to put this.
Wow--what, a warm, deep, and engaging conversation with a thoughtful artist (and interviewer)! So many nuggets; especially liked, "It's the practice of it that's really important... but if the result that you want is the work itself, you don't have to get lucky at all; you can make that happen on your own" (Isbell)
Jason Isbell has been my favorite songwriter now, for over a decade, before he became well known. He is the bar for me. He's also a man of immense integrity.
Great interview Ari! I am a long time fan of Jason's...ever since his Drive by Truckers days. I can't believe that his indie solo album Southeastern is already a decade old! All his records are great!
I had not heard of Jason Isbell prior to this video but I find him to be a very decent, very open and honest sort of person who is committed to being himself, to being true to himself, which is another way of saying that he has integrity. I will definitely be checking out his music. And, as always, Ari, great job interviewing him. This is yet another reason you are one of my very favorites on MSNBC.
His music is amazing -- and his live shows even more so. I've been to probably 7-8 live shows in multiple states. Always great.
For those who don't like "country" -- well these are just great songs with brilliant lyrics and engaging melodies. I'd call it Americana in the truest sense of the word.
His whole story is pretty amazing
Just wait until you hear his music. Prepare to be blown away! ❤
I knew nothing about him until a couple years ago. I found that he is arguably the greatest living songwriter. The Dylan of our age. He has a way with words that hit me straight in the gut. I find things in his song that go straight to things in my life.
Jason is one of the best. His songs have intelligent and thoughtful lyrics.
Jason Isbell is such an underrated talent
Never knew Jason Isbell but now I do. Seems like a cool person. Thanks Ari! Enjoyed this interview.
This guy wrote my favorite love song: If We Were Vampires. Look it up.
Yes! I was just singing that today, surprised to see him here…”Last of My Kind” and “Speed Trap Town” are also superb for any new listeners
They are all great!
Mine too
"But if the result you want is the work itself..." Jason's comment about valuing the process/practice over the result at 13:34 is so deep and hopeful. Wow.
This is artistic gold.
Thank you Arie for having this young man on! He is so grounded and considerate!🥰
My first introduction to Jason. Thank you Ari.
Just an absolutely fascinating individual. Proud to count myself a member of his fan base.
I doubt there's anyone bringing him coffee that's a better giitar player than Jason. He's so humble sometimes. He shreds.
America's greatest artist IMHO.
I don't remember how I first stumbled across Jason Isbell, but I do remember the first time I listened to Southeastern. It was so raw, emotionally, that I was absolutely gutted. Listened to it over and over and cried every time. There are very few songwriters I can say that about and I've been on this earth awhile. Also, it makes my heart warm to see him so happy and healthy. 🥰
I'd favorited a couple of Jason's songs on Spotify but really didn't know anything about the guy til now. Thank you for introducing me to such a remarkable, articulate, talented and thoughtful guy. Lyrics from "Boots of Spanish Leather" tattoo! OMG!! Great interview, Ari!
Where did this interview come from? Kinda shakes up our contemporary human condition, don't it. Ari takes all of us to a new, higher plateau, and sorta nourishes òur soul. Of course, his guests are the vital chord sharing rhythms and wisdom, visions, and concoctions.
I love that he named Gillian Welch not once but twice for her songwriting. Gillian is an incredibly gifted songwriter and it's a shame she's not more well-known
I stumbled on one of Jason’s songs a few years back I believe on iTunes and immediately bought everything he had written and recorded , I still do ,and always will with a sound bite or note not be necessary because I know if he wrote it I’ll love it …
it happens..
Jason is one of the most talented living songwriters in America and you never hear his songs on the radio. It is pathetic how bad so much of the popular music being played on the radio is these days.
Find MPR's the current. Best radio station in the country and plays Jason regularly.
Try WMVY radio out of Martha’s Vinyard
One of the best interviews I have ever seen. Jason is one of my favorite songwriters of all time. Well done Ari, please keep these coming.
Stay true to yourself Jason! We appreciate your voice!
"t's the PRACTICE of it that's really important. If we focus on the results, you have to do the work AND you have to get lucky. But if the result that you want is the practice itself, you don't have to get lucky at all. You can make that happen." One of the best quotes ever. Jason is figured stuff out.
I’ve loved Jason for sooo long thanks for this! I really admire his partner too 🌟
I'm coming to this interview as someone who discovered Jason and Amanda about six months ago. I haven't listened to a lot of Isbell's work, but "If We Were Vampires" really hits me hard. Because it's about a longterm committed marriage. My husband and I just hit the 45-year mark this past summer. His lines in that song that I find *stunning* are "Maybe time running out is a gift/ I'll work hard til the end of my shift."
Great discussion about norms for masculinity, how they're changing....
Great comment. Congratulations!
Brilliant Interview: Ari - "Well Done"! I will be watching for more!Thanks!
Failure= giving up or not giving up when it’s time. Man, I needed to hear that. 🙂
Wordsmith of the highest caliber….like Whitman, Shakespeare, Angelou, Dylan, etc…and a great person.
Great interview with Jason. I discovered his music when he was with the Drive By Truckers. Outstanding guitar player and writer.
Terrific interview- thanks!
I am so glad I took the time to watch this. I have notes for myself of people to look up and thoughts I didn't have before I listened to these two thoughtful men. Thank you!
Jason, you have really nailed it. What a great interview!
Wow. That was fantastic. Jason is sharp. First time I saw him live by himself way back he really made an impression on me. I wish this man good luck and happiness always.
For being in his 40s, he's a terribly wise dude. I really dig his whole vibe.
When God thinks of a poet, a guitar virtuoso, and an incredible voice He smiles and thinks of Jason Isbell.
AND I’m not a distant cousin.
Really a thoughtful man. Impressive
A great songwriter and singer ( as is his spouse) and a stand up progressive not intimidated by the right wing . The same goes for the rest of his fellow ex- bandmates from the Drive By Truckers.
As a long term fan going back to his time in DBT, its great to read how many commenters are going to discover his music through this. I can listen to vampires on repeat and never tire of it
I had the same thought while reading thru the comments. I knew Jason was a special songwriter when I first heard Outfit years ago when he was with DBT. He's written so many great songs since but Vampires is incredibly emotional. I know I'm going to tear up every time but I still can't stop replaying it.
The more I see Jason Isbell, the more I like and respect him.
Have been a fan of Jason's since Southwestern. Great songwriter and good person. Thanks for doing this, Ari.
Southeastern.
Love this! thanks to Ari and the bookers of the show to have the amazing Jason isbell on. Brilliant!
Oh, and PS Jason and Sheryl Crow's cover of "Everything is Broken" is possibly the best cover of a Dylan song to date. thanks again. x
It's always fun to hear people who don't know what music is talk about music.
I'm not a big fan of country, just because I wasn't raised with it. But I always liked Jason Isbell, ever since I saw him on Stephen Colbert's show. His lyrics are so smart and thoughtful, and his music sounds good to me even though it's country, I don't know why. Thanks for this great interview.
He is not country
@@Thegeneralms1you both sound so stupid.
I could have listened to this interview all day long!!! he has been a favorite since I first discovered his music. Best story teller ever!!!!! What is the name of his documentary?
Running With Our Eyes Closed
Huge fan, learned about him late (in 2017 or so) on Charlie Rose…”If we were vampires,” “speed trap town,” “last of my kind” are all classics in the Nashville tradition 👌🏼
Vampire song ❤ ✔️
Isbell is such a fantastic talent that gets deep into the core of things. To whatever extent he is underrated it's only because someone hasn't listened to him yet.
I never really knew about Jason Isbell, but (for some reason) decided to watch. He's a fascinating and inspiring person - both as a musician and as human being. Great interview!
There are also journalists who avoid being outspoken as well. That's not good. It's a disservice to the viewers.
Phenomenal interviewer and interviewee. Thank you for letting me be within earshot of an interesting, honest, civilised and thought-provoking discourse. 👍
This was a very thoughtful, very well done interview. I didn’t want it to end. A master class discussion on song writing and the country music business.
Excellent interview with one of our finest singer/songwriters and a good human being. Thank you.
Jason Isbell is one of the best storytellers in the music business. He’s an incredible guitarist and fantastic expressive singer and one of the best entertainers in the world today.
Great interview. They capture some new insights. Isbell is a special talent.
Great interview
I love Jason and Amanda. Great interview.
Every American, I mean every American, should watch this interview. Amazing. Amazing, inspiring human being.
Love the professionalism but I think a more chill environment for a interview like this would be great overall
I love seeing Jason more front and center and that he's thriving and enjoying it. His work with Justin Townes Earle is some of my favorite of the modern era of music, not to mention his time with Drive By truckers. Cheers to many more years of this good soul making honest art.
Randy Newman is a national treasure.
That JI is a Class act!
Thank You🎉 Love Him.))
That was a great interview with Jason Isbell.
This is awesome!!
Great interview, Ari! I didn't know this young man, but wise beyond his years!! Loved his views on politics, what being a man is all about, counseling, etc. Great show!!
Glad to get a chance to watch… waiting for the verdict from the jury in the traitor. This seem like a perfect interview to listen to and get some joy of the world and the pain as Jason talks about. Thank you thank you.
Found Isbell on an old Tiny Desk vid and this interview was presented next. 48 minutes?! I would like to thank Ari, Jason, Jason's family and his therapist. Honesty comes at a cost. But there will always be people who recognize it. Those who need honesty are like that child you're now responsible for. You owe it to them. I was well served by Ari and Jason in these 48 minutes.
I was there at those Drive-by Truckers shows and early Southeastern Days. Jason has influenced me more than I can say. 🤘
Love Jason!!!!❤
Nice job, Ari. I thoroughly enjoyed your interview with a very special man, Jason Isbell.
Such a great person and voice. His music gives us a big cup of hope.
Two thoroughly decent dudes. This is such a great interview.
great interview
Thank you for doing this, Arie; I learned a lot from it. I'm an amateur sing/song writer, but I haven't heard much of Jason. I sure will now. His nuanced perspective is quite instructive.
Respect!
I've been a fan of Jason't music and his abilities as a lyricist for a long time. Hearing him speak openly makes me appreciate his honest approach to songwriting and his perception of the 'era of the bad faith argument'. Great interview.
Loved segment September 12-23 on Swift effect on election w reach of 100million to cable news, 10million. Fun exchange of lyrical puns at end of segment w epic, classic Ari. Your guest’s knowledge of Swift’s lyrics impressed me. Great show.👏👏👏❤
Enjoyable interview with Jason AKA Bill Smith, when the Killers of the Flower Moon movie releases in October..
Unbelievable talent plus a decent person is so refreshing. Sharing his recovery is so helpful to so many. Not to be missed live. Buy the good tickets!
I'm a super fan and have been to quite a few shows (some requiring a flight -- and well worth it!). Love Love.
outstanding interview
So true!!! In Oklahoma history I never learned any of this! Learned it from the book.
What great interview with such a clickbait title.
Stone cold legit artist. I read his lyrics and think, "There's no way he believes in deities." And then I read that he said, "I am not religious at all." That makes sense.
Great conversation by two very insightful and interesting people
Great interview, Ari.
Isbell is what people thought they were getting with JD Vance.
Thank you for this.
Swift and Isbell are both regularly in my year end top 5s on Spotify; but goodness what a click baity title.
Right? I love her, but there's NOTHING about her here, and it's insulting to Jason to shoehorn her name into the title just for Swiftie clicks.
Wow. Love this guy.
Yessssss!!!!!!
He is one of my favorite lyricists ever, and he gets a lot of credit for it (the lyrics)...BUT... I need to point out (and I know many of his fans know this, but most ppl don't) is that he is one of the best gutarrists in all of Americana, rock, etc.
I hate that the title changed for this hour long interview so that it focuses on one question at the very end.
The bit about small word changes is brilliant.