GOD Bless you Tad! What a mess and disastrous working area! I totally agree with the single speed motors. I don’t install variable due to repair expense. Single speeds, to me, are Reliable, cheaper and generally last longer.
You could not have put out this video at a better time. Our variable speed motor just went out and we cannot afford to replace it. This will definitely help us convert to the psc motor. Thanks!
Thank you so much Robert Really appreciate you watching Please share and hit the like button Also check out the video in the link in the description It's a good video for converting ECM type motors to people motors to PSC
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Have a friend in this very situation. Older York with a Gentec 2.3 just goes into washing machine mode. I had suggested swapping out to a PSC motor as a temp repair because he is looking to upgrade this fall. Gonna try replacing the thermistor first, this is plan B.
If our customer sets thermostat to emergency heat, normally W and G get energized. I always connect my blower relay to the G terminal, so that the blower energizes on all three...norm heat, emerg heat and cool modes. During em heat, the contactors will close, but on American Standard and Trane heat kits, the blower is not energized through the contactor. Unlike many other brands out there that are wired to bring on the blower through the heat sequencer.
This is a good time to clean the blower wheel. Oftentimes the dirt buildup on the vanes actually becomes convex, and destroys the air-moving capability of the wheel. I often had to use a screwdriver to scrape the vanes before hosing it off.
Tad - Great video...and now I'm hoping you can help. I have an obsolete Heil programmable speed control motor (230V, 1/2 hp, 1250 RPM/Var, 2.0amp) in my heat pump air handler. Worse, instead of a capacitor, it has an equally-obsolete control module (Google "AA20970" and you can see one...out of stock). The motor itself has a label that says, "If replacing with a permanent split capacitor motor, the motor voltage must match the unite line voltage and must not be connected to the speed control." So, my thought, get a PSC motor...but how do I interface it with the circuit controller (Texas Instruments 26FC-2) so it will work with my Honeywell Zone Controllers? Augh! Too many wires!! Of course, the tech that came to the house was at a loss; and recommended...you guessed it...full system replacement--for a mere $10,000 to $12,000....
I like to put rubber cushion's between the air hander and the blocks. The door panel is much easy to get off. But American Standard unit is hard to beat! But, I would use the green wire ( fan )on the thermostat on the relay. The way you wire it the indoor motor will not run on a heat pump when you put it on emergency heat. Am I missing something?
hay when converting from ecm to psc , I guess all the specs has to much up to the current Ecm being replaced , any suggestion & which PSC motor s are widely used in field as converstion?
I am ignorant on the subject but I am trying to learn, I watched your other video “How to Swap ECM Motor with a PSC Motor”, I was wondering, you used a board quickswap X3 on that one and here you use the relays, either the board or relays will work? Thank you.
thanks for a great video sir…… question, when you were running this unit in heating mode, are you saying that you get heat from the refrigeration cycle as well as the heat strips at the same time?
Taddy, thanks for the video. It was well explained, and was very helpful. You initially said you were going to use two relays (2:03). You then changed, and said you would only use one relay (12:07). At the end of the video, you showed two relays were mounted (15:06). There was no explanation as to how the heating portion was wired using the second relay. I know you used another motor speed wire. Is the rest of the heater wiring using the relay the same, except we use the white wire? Thank you very much. Keep the videos coming!!
I am pretty sure I used one relay for heat and cool using the Y call and one relay using the EM or emergency heat call cause this was a heat pump I will do an updated video
Im a bit confused, didnt notice you wiring both relays, you wired 1 to close on cooling (y) and i assume the other on heating (w)? What about just using 1 relay with g to close the relay?
Thanks for your response. I had a similar situation adding AC to an old (standing pilot) furnace. We used a 90 380 to control the condenser and heater. NO (2 and 4) when to the condenser and NC (5 and 6) was for the heat circuit. G was not used. If G was added, would need another 90 380? Would the wiring look like: The second relay, G and C to the 24v coil (1 and 3). On the switching side, NO to NO on the other relay. When the sub base fan switch is on, it will send 24V to the second relay and closes both NO switching relays and the indoor fan would turn on. Is that correct? I hope I explained it well.
So, all you need is just a relay, no control board or any other thing, right? Do you have a video just like this for a gas furnace, too? Thank you so much for this video.
Don’t use a chisel on the end of the shaft. You’ll deform it and never get it out. If you don’t have a squirrel-cage shaft puller, either keep sanding and soaking in penetrating oil(Rust Buster works great), or use a pin punch close to the size of the shaft.
Great video man. Does that fan operate in emergency heat mode also? I assume to you disabled that mode since you mention it.Oh and u have the best helper in the world take care!
When swapping out an ECM motor and replacing it with a PSC motor, how do you know which PSC will work properly? There's so many options! Does the horsepower, RPM's, Htz, amps ECT have to match?!?!?!
@@TaddyDigest Is there anyway I could get on the phone with you or video chat and pay you for your time? I know that's an odd request, but I haven't had A/C for 2 weeks and I'm ready to be done with it.
@@TaddyDigest love your vids Tad, I watch them all the time. Ty for all that you do. I may have missed something but if they put stat on emergency heat, is the fan going to run?
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Good video but you said 2 relays a 1st then u said 1 relay then later on video it shows 2 relays it just confused to what you done to use 2 relays on the end I should of showed the pressures after u clean coil cause not all the time pressures go down when u clean coils on the low side!!but thank you
Nice voice over of 1st video we’re you wire the relay wrong to power two speeds at one time when heat pump run and auxiliary stages in by by motor 2nd voice over of 1st video close but the fan won’t run when thermostat is set to emergency heat 3rd time is a charm go luck
Why would you do a video of a half * ss job? This video had potential but you only completed partial wiring control functionality. So, it's really almost worthless as an instructional video.
@@TaddyDigest I'm not saying anything about your knowledge it's just you are snatching wires and just like tearing that board out then you didn't clean anything at all even though the unit will be replaced just the professional sense would have cleaned the blower wheel and housing and cleaned all that dirt and shit out of the blower compartment if a new tech watches this video they are going to see how to half ass the job and think that's ok to do on top of that you are showing viewers this is your work your reputation you have knowledge just some poor work ethics
Yeah you're right I did not show the part of the video where I cleaned the indoor coil and the blower wheel and I would have showed that now knowing what I know I'm glad that you know what professional work looks like and I'm glad you said this You are definitely a professional my friend
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Wow, that unit is just about seen it's life. That environment takes a toll on the unit.
A big shout out to the best helper anyone could ever have your own son happy Father’s Day
Thanks for watching and being so kind 😊
Nice video. Good to see father and son
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GOD Bless you Tad! What a mess and disastrous working area! I totally agree with the single speed motors. I don’t install variable due to repair expense. Single speeds, to me, are Reliable, cheaper and generally last longer.
You could not have put out this video at a better time. Our variable speed motor just went out and we cannot afford to replace it. This will definitely help us convert to the psc motor. Thanks!
Thank you so much Robert
Really appreciate you watching
Please share and hit the like button
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Wired it up just like you said. Everything is working fine!! Thank you!!
Awesome Robert I love to hear this man this makes me so happy
So glad you got it working
Thank you very much Ted. I like your videos.
Have a friend in this very situation. Older York with a Gentec 2.3 just goes into washing machine mode. I had suggested swapping out to a PSC motor as a temp repair because he is looking to upgrade this fall. Gonna try replacing the thermistor first, this is plan B.
My name is Marcus from Arizona, and I just added you along with others like Nor Cal, and many others.
If our customer sets thermostat to emergency heat, normally W and G get energized. I always connect my blower relay to the G terminal, so that the blower energizes on all three...norm heat, emerg heat and cool modes. During em heat, the contactors will close, but on American Standard and Trane heat kits, the blower is not energized through the contactor. Unlike many other brands out there that are wired to bring on the blower through the heat sequencer.
Thank You for sharing this information
Good Stuff You have experience 👍
Great Comment
Love your videos, please keep them coming. This is Wade in Lake Charles Louisiana. I have to rely on TH-cam for my training
Great info and great presentation.
Thank you!
Great Training video ! Thank you.
Good little replacement ... Your helper 's kind of rough on the old man 🤣😂😅 Thx for posting and good explanation on the relay ... Valuable info ...
Thanks Eddy He is a keeper though Love my boy
Thank you for watching Have a blessed day
Great Video but, I got a heating element to deal with. How do I rewire that heater element?
Amazing video save my day thank you
Nice very thermal instructions 👍🏽 now I can be confident on a retro fit
Thank you very much I really appreciate you taking the time to comment and tell me this makes me want to do more videos
This is a good time to clean the blower wheel. Oftentimes the dirt buildup on the vanes actually becomes convex, and destroys the air-moving capability of the wheel. I often had to use a screwdriver to scrape the vanes before hosing it off.
Lol did this just the other day. Wait time for the mod is crazy.
Fantastic video.
Another great video, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Tad - Great video...and now I'm hoping you can help. I have an obsolete Heil programmable speed control motor (230V, 1/2 hp, 1250 RPM/Var, 2.0amp) in my heat pump air handler. Worse, instead of a capacitor, it has an equally-obsolete control module (Google "AA20970" and you can see one...out of stock). The motor itself has a label that says, "If replacing with a permanent split capacitor motor, the motor voltage must match the unite line voltage and must not be connected to the speed control."
So, my thought, get a PSC motor...but how do I interface it with the circuit controller (Texas Instruments 26FC-2) so it will work with my Honeywell Zone Controllers? Augh! Too many wires!!
Of course, the tech that came to the house was at a loss; and recommended...you guessed it...full system replacement--for a mere $10,000 to $12,000....
Awesome video man
Glad you liked it
Every HVAC Boss in America: "If the unit is in that bad of shape and it's over 15 years old, just replace the whole unit!!" =p
Great job good video, tired of rip off hvac
Thanks 👍
I like to put rubber cushion's between the air hander and the blocks. The door panel is much easy to get off. But American Standard unit is hard to beat! But, I would use the green wire ( fan )on the thermostat on the relay. The way you wire it the indoor motor will not run on a heat pump when you put it on emergency heat. Am I missing something?
Very informative and defined! Thank you!!
don't understand how heating energizes the coil?
awesome content
hay when converting from ecm to psc , I guess all the specs has to much up to the current Ecm being replaced , any suggestion & which PSC motor s are widely used in field as converstion?
I am ignorant on the subject but I am trying to learn, I watched your other video “How to Swap ECM Motor with a PSC Motor”, I was wondering, you used a board quickswap X3 on that one and here you use the relays, either the board or relays will work?
Thank you.
Great video bro love it keep them videos coming and stay safe out there
Have a Blessed Day Brother
Thank you very much sir. I can fixed it from your lesson. I really appriciate it.
Glad it helped!
All the programmable t stat will do the job plus you can have time delays in the stat for the electric heating.
your the man
Thank you 🙏 good explanation 😊
You're welcome 😊
thanks for a great video sir…… question, when you were running this unit in heating mode, are you saying that you get heat from the refrigeration cycle as well as the heat strips at the same time?
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Would you start off as technician coming out of trade school or install so you can learn the units and parts better?
Both
Taddy, thanks for the video. It was well explained, and was very helpful. You initially said you were going to use two relays (2:03). You then changed, and said you would only use one relay (12:07). At the end of the video, you showed two relays were mounted (15:06). There was no explanation as to how the heating portion was wired using the second relay. I know you used another motor speed wire. Is the rest of the heater wiring using the relay the same, except we use the white wire? Thank you very much. Keep the videos coming!!
I am pretty sure I used one relay for heat and cool using the Y call and one relay using the EM or emergency heat call cause this was a heat pump I will do an updated video
@@TaddyDigest Thanks.
Nice work Tad. But seriously that air handler was nasty 101. I wouldn’t breathe a single breath of air in the one. 👍
Tell me about it
Im a bit confused, didnt notice you wiring both relays, you wired 1 to close on cooling (y) and i assume the other on heating (w)? What about just using 1 relay with g to close the relay?
good idea
If the customer wanted the ability to turn on the indoor fan, how would you set that up? Your helper is the perfect size for a crawlspace!
I will do a video and show you how
Thanks for your response. I had a similar situation adding AC to an old (standing pilot) furnace. We used a 90 380 to control the condenser and heater. NO (2 and 4) when to the condenser and NC (5 and 6) was for the heat circuit. G was not used. If G was added, would need another 90 380? Would the wiring look like: The second relay, G and C to the 24v coil (1 and 3). On the switching side, NO to NO on the other relay. When the sub base fan switch is on, it will send 24V to the second relay and closes both NO switching relays and the indoor fan would turn on. Is that correct? I hope I explained it well.
So, all you need is just a relay, no control board or any other thing, right?
Do you have a video just like this for a gas furnace, too? Thank you so much for this video.
You're welcome thank you so much for washing the video. I don't think I have a video for a furnace but I can do one.
great video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
@Taddy, which psc motor and relays did you utilize to complete this project if I may ask?
I used a universal motor called economaster and the realy was a 9340 relay
For multiple speed ,may you need to have a thermostat controller with multiple fan speed options. I hope..grt video.
Yes Absolutely 💯
Thank You for watching 👀 😀
I’m about to do this on a trane air handler in order to enable fan control from the tstat you said it would need a separate relay is that correct?
yes
Nice 👍 work , more of these units , for sure to ride some over. ,☝️🙏💪✌️☯️
Right on!
Did a great job and it was cool your son was with you I take my grandson on just bout every one I go on Harold / Harold’s A/C Maintenance mobile al
It's awesome to be with family
I'm glad you're taking your grandson
Sometimes I just don't like working alone all the time
Can txv installed out side the evaporator case?
Don’t use a chisel on the end of the shaft. You’ll deform it and never get it out. If you don’t have a squirrel-cage shaft puller, either keep sanding and soaking in penetrating oil(Rust Buster works great), or use a pin punch close to the size of the shaft.
Could you do this on a variable speed motor on a furnace where the plug goes in at the furnace control board???
yes
Great video man. Does that fan operate in emergency heat mode also? I assume to you disabled that mode since you mention it.Oh and u have the best helper in the world take care!
Thanks Marcus
When swapping out an ECM motor and replacing it with a PSC motor, how do you know which PSC will work properly? There's so many options! Does the horsepower, RPM's, Htz, amps ECT have to match?!?!?!
If you don’t want your elements not to fail prematurely you need some sort of off delay
The heat strips will trip the breaker if there isn't some kind of sequencer. Shouldn't hurt the strips unduly though.
The unit already had sequencing relays in it. This is simply to activate the fan motor on high speed.
If the one and only fan speed is used for a call on Y and nothing on W how do the heat strips get airflow in emergency heat?
Without the G wire connected for blower, there will be no emergency heat.
Hey Ted, great video. 1 question, how come you didn’t clean the blower wheel?
I did I just didn't show that part in the video
I wanted the video to be about the motor and the relay
@@TaddyDigest Thanks ! I was having a bit of OCD moment there
I believe I'd go ahead and do a complete brand new install and replace that 1920's system. Lol
hahaha yes sir
Hi Taddy , if you would connect the g wire instead of the y wire , in this case would the ac run the same?
yes
Great!
Can that relay handle the heat strips? As far as amperage?
no relays are normally rated for around 20 amps and the contactor is rated for around 40 amps so it's a better suit
Like what you showed except you didn't clean squeal cage or housing
I didn't show that part 😕
thanks for watching 👀 😀
Hook your relay to the green wire for the fan the t stat will control the fan , not the cool wire .
Thanks for the tip
Hey Tad, appreciate all your videos!
Question: I'm currently trying to do this to my unit and I was wondering why did you use Y instead of G?
Thank You Isaish 😊
I used Y so that when the cooling was energized the blower would too.
@@TaddyDigest Is there anyway I could get on the phone with you or video chat and pay you for your time?
I know that's an odd request, but I haven't had A/C for 2 weeks and I'm ready to be done with it.
I can definitely help you 🙂
Click the join button become a member
I will give you my email and then my phone number
@@TaddyDigest 👍I sent you an email.
@@TaddyDigest love your vids Tad, I watch them all the time. Ty for all that you do.
I may have missed something but if they put stat on emergency heat, is the fan going to run?
Hey Teddy
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That unit looks Rough, but at least it buys them time to save for a replacement
Yeah it was super rough
Still haven't replaced it yet
But I'm sure before too long it will be replaced
your awesome
thank you 😊
Connect Y as 24v and not use G?
i think this was a heat pump so it would energize cooling and or heating mode with the Y and that would energize the blower.
You didn't clean that blower??? Wow!!
that's in another video 📹 I did
So the black wire from the relay runs to the capacitor and then from the capacitor to the blower motor?
I normally wash the blower wheel if I don’t replace it
Should of washed the evap and the bower wheel out when you had the blower out.
I did
I just didn't put that part on video
Good video but you said 2 relays a 1st then u said 1 relay then later on video it shows 2 relays it just confused to what you done to use 2 relays on the end I should of showed the pressures after u clean coil cause not all the time pressures go down when u clean coils on the low side!!but thank you
thanks
I will check the video out and see what I was thinking 🤔
I hate crawl spaces...we took ours out and we had black window spiders...they love hvac's
man that thang is filthy lol
Wow that unit was/is in bad shape.. someone needs to put a filter in that unit..
Love the videos man, keep up the great work.
R-22….
yup
The last decent AC system. After that it went to shit and now they break after a few years.
Nice voice over of 1st video we’re you wire the relay wrong to power two speeds at one time when heat pump run and auxiliary stages in by by motor 2nd voice over of 1st video close but the fan won’t run when thermostat is set to emergency heat 3rd time is a charm go luck
Thank you for all your help
I appreciate your comment 🙂
Have a Blessed Day Brother 🙌
Thinking about you this morning Thank you again for making me aware of my mistake in the first video.
You are awesome
confusing
well crap
Clean the unit dude that is nasty
I did I just didn't put that part on the video
Why would you do a video of a half * ss job? This video had potential but you only completed partial wiring control functionality. So, it's really almost worthless as an instructional video.
thanks for watching
nasty ass unit, should have replaced it
Not much professional work going on here
Just average Joe stuff going on here
@@TaddyDigest I'm not saying anything about your knowledge it's just you are snatching wires and just like tearing that board out then you didn't clean anything at all even though the unit will be replaced just the professional sense would have cleaned the blower wheel and housing and cleaned all that dirt and shit out of the blower compartment if a new tech watches this video they are going to see how to half ass the job and think that's ok to do on top of that you are showing viewers this is your work your reputation you have knowledge just some poor work ethics
Yeah you're right I did not show the part of the video where I cleaned the indoor coil and the blower wheel and I would have showed that now knowing what I know
I'm glad that you know what professional work looks like and I'm glad you said this
You are definitely a professional my friend
What energizes the blower when the thermostat is set for emergency heat? 🤔
Call for emergency heat from the thermostat. You could have another relay that energizes the fan
you missing the other blower part ,the common wire