Will the Falcon 9 actually be reusable or just refurbish-able like the Space Shuttle?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2018
- The Falcon 9. The world’s FIRST reusable rocket. Wait. No it’s not. Do you remember the Space Shuttle? It had those solid rocket boosters and the orbiter, which were both reusable weren’t they?
Well, today we’re going to talk about why the Space Shuttle failed to actually be reusable and wound up being described with a more accurate word, refurbish-able.
People often cite the shortcomings of the Space Shuttle and are quick to point it to SpaceX’s claims of the Falcon 9 booster being reusable.
So today we’re going to look at what it took to get the space shuttle operational between flights, what it takes to get a Falcon 9 operational between flights, and why SpaceX’s first stage boosters take much less of a beating than the Space Shuttle.
We’ll also do a quick reminder of what technologies SpaceX added to their Block 5 booster to hopefully achieve their goal of making a rapidly reusable rocket that can truly be reused 10 times before needing serious refurbishment.
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Somebody start a petition to get this guy a SpaceX prototype space suit to wear
i honestly dont even understand the shirt today. vaguely orange with fake binoculars?
But for him to have not to wear 😭 the audio is so much better now
@Gordon Tyler LOL! What a great idea!
The Russian space suit he wears is significant for him (and these video series) for historical reasons.
Somebody persuade him to take that suit off and never wear it again.
Gordon Tyler SpaceX is not the only show in town.
I think we can safely say they are reusable now.
A lot has happened since Tim did this video!
@Alpha Centauriwdym it "still takes 2 months" like the shuttle took a month to refly?
@@slayer_san9114 the turnaround time is about 50-70 days
@Alpha Centauri 1 month and 8 times. No booster has stopped flying because it’s too old
Yes
5:36 “Or another name, prograde”
every ksp player ever : *Confused screaming*
Like just say retrograde lol
Should be retrograde
It might've been a poor choice of words but he obviously wasn't actually confusing terms.
@@cm01 why?
@@benjaminmontenegro3423 hes saying this direction of travel/prograde, aka direction of travel = prograde
2:34: " It's a good thing rocket delivery isn't the standard here on Earth."
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Underrated
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It was 3 days to get it back on the launch pad maybe even 4 just to be removed from the launch pad lol
And now, after a Starlink mission, a booster has flown for the 5th time, for the 1st time!
but is it really reusable or just refurbish-able?
Actually, SpaceX already flew a booster for the fifth time back in march. However, back then the booster didn't make the landing on the droneship. On this Starlink launch, they managed to both fly AND LAND a booster for the fifth time for the first time.😁
And now the 6th time!
6th！！！
6th time
"Vehicle assembly building"
KSP players: *Yeah I know that.*
hell yea! I am a KSP player myself
i literally bought the game 10 min ago
senne1009 How do you like it?
@@bobbywatson942 i haven't played it much had school but it looks cool
Now, go land on Tylo. No buts.
5 years later.. Falcon 9 has blown away every competition…
"Due to the curvature of the Earth"
Flat Earther has disliked this video.
idiot mario Olol
The earth is flat technically read the definition of the word. Something can be curved and flat at the same time if you know your definitions.
@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 i think quarintine got to your head
Cant think of name Yeah demonstrating that someone can be learned and naive at the same time, flatearthers are an example
when did they ever like it xd
You know, the Spaceshuttle had is problems... But darn, was it beautiful! I don't even know why, I just really like how it looks, it is so iconic ^^
I never liked the Shuttle's looks. The more I learned about the engineering, the more I'm amazed by it, though.
Bricks with wings... and even worse glide ratios.
IMHO, it was only iconic because the U.S. flew it for 30 freakin' years. I wouldn't have minded that so much (Shuttle was meant just to be a "space truck," after all) if we had ever sent humans beyond low-Earth-orbit since 1972. The Shuttle's expense to operate - plus OldSpace's way of doing things - plus the ISS, ate the human spaceflight budget. 3 wasted decades - again, IMHO.
Always thought of it as the VW Bus of space.
Stuart Young i mean yeah you right it is 30 wasted years. But at the same time its only thirty years
Before commenting, yes, I accidentally said “prograde” instead of retrograde for some stupid reason 🤦♂️ I’m sorry. Please forgive me 🙏 I’ll never do it again 🤞promise 🤞
The orange tank from the Space Shuttle is recovery?
10 lashes with a wet noodle.
No
armctec Orange tank always burned up in the atmosphere.
Fool me once..
It’s actually incredible how good these videos are
This guy is a natural presenter.
He doesn't deserve what he has.
He deserves more
Wait so you're telling me that I can debunk flat earthers by just telling them to look at the space shuttle runway. Aww yea.
Green yep
No they will just say it is the atmosphere. That’s the response upon looking at objects that are partially behind the curve.
"Reinforced Carbon-Carbon". Is that like Pizza-Pizza? Extra good?
Killroy it's like cheese and cheese.
basically its something like graphite or graphene, probably reinforced with bonding agents and some form of mesh, I am not going to bother looking it up because no mater how it was made it would be a really good thermal conductor that can survive really high temperatures.
@ Michael: CRC is in short Carbon Fiber with pure Carbon, Graphite, used as epoxy and is then baked into one solid part. While is is not as strong as Carbon Fiber it is still around the strength of tempered glass. CRC is what he call RCC, less accurate but still correct and commonly accepted name.
Baked like a Pizza? ;). Thanks for the info.
Mosern1977 cheese and cheese is my favorite
Space X have already made it worth while flying. And they've reflown more rockets this year than new rockets!
I love how you include metric measurements, thanks for that.
The shuttles turned out to have very different air frames and internal systems. Maintenance of each was a unique project as a result. The engineering drawing library for each was on paper and a nightmare to keep current. I worked on a bid to digitize the libraries and it was eye opening how complex the support effort was for each of the ships.
1:12 Wow Tim without his spacesuit, it must be really warm over there.
Mika de Grote whether you are in a warm or cold place, these suits are extremely hot
Rocket delivery is not the standard on earth
Elon Musk:hold my beer
trm Screw you Amazon!!!
This made me imagine sitting at the computer and ordering something, then 20 minutes later a small rocket comes flying down and lands on the street or driveway delivering said package in record time. Then taking off again.
Green If you try ordering explosives and live in a Middle Eastern country, that dream is already a reality. Same day explosive delivery via rocket courtesy of the US military.
*if space shuttle used solid fuel*
*transporting to launch field*
*accendently ignites*
TURN IT OFF TURN IT OFF
Elon Musk: but first I need to accuse an innocent man who rescued children of being a pedophile because he called my idea stupid! Oh; and I need to get sued by him. And get fined 40 million dollars for lying on twitter about Tesla. And get sued again over that. And get sanctioned for smoking weed on a public live-stream.
Great content. I regularly watch your videos to get my space fix. Always stimulated. Bringing these topics "down to earth" is a worthwhile mission and ya'll are doing well.
9:00 that aged like wine
I like the shirt better than the entire space suit.
I like the shirt except for the faux binoculars on it. I think shirt + real binoculars would be great combo
yeah that's what I thought as well
They are real.. at least at the beginning
nitestryker7 I like the suit better
same
I'm surprised that the space shuttle only failed a few times
At the end of the Shuttle mission failure probability was calculated at 1/90. Then years later they did another more detailed study, knowing what they hadn't known before and they came up with the number 1/9. 1 in bloody 9. By that figure we should have lost 15 Shuttles. We got super lucky and the engineers took good care of them. And once Challenger happened everybody became pretty conservative. Still I would have flown on it knowing that. 1/9 chance of a fiery death with the payoff of riding the Space Shuttle to orbit? What a way to go. By my luck I'll probably die getting run over by car, so it wouldn't be so bad.
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l The 1/9 was before all the changes they added to refurbishment. Going over each tile helped the odds a lot, but at a huge cost.
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l The 1/9 figure was for the FIRST 9 SHUTTLE FLIGHTS get your facts right
Edit: It wasnt even the first 9 flight the first 9 flight had a LOCV probability of 1/12 so that 1/9 figure is total bs
A+ Video dude, perfectly explained all the important information and specifications and metrics. On top of that you explained it in a way people understand casually. Thanks, keep it up man. Subbed !
Tim, your dedication, enthusiasm and willingness to step up, step out and shout out why a space fairing civilization, and the people who make it happen, is awesome is commendable and appreciated!
In a slight bit of constructive criticism; there was a gratuitous bit of leg slapping that started after the sitting transition at 23:30. I also encourage you to raise your lights higher to allow shadow below the chin rather than a head on light.
Keep on keepin’ on and thanks for all that you do!!!
The drift lmao! thanks for another upload bro you had me chuckle a few times in this :)
I can see the hardwork you put in all your videos!
one of our boosters is currently at 9 re-uses, we've done it, boys!
Seriously awesome video!, The whole time i was glued to the screen hoping it didn't end because i wanted to know moooree and it kept going!
Fantastic video Tim! Loved the data presented, your humor( aka the Elantra power slide...definitely love 2 c more of that.) and the graphics. 👍🏻
Wow You Put a Lot of Work in your vids 👍
13:40 - 13:43 Probably my favorite part of this video. The knee-slap "what?!" is great. 😅
Really enjoy these videos. And I like the way everything is boiled down to “where the rubber meets the road” type scripting. Tim also brings an energy to the subject matter that keeps it fresh. With the pace that this technology is advancing, we are going to need this type of coverage to help us “laymen” keep up with it. THANKS!
Jeez, amazing effort put into this almost half an hour worth of content.
One of your best episodes!!! Thank you, Man!!! I use your videos with my Grade 9 science students. You make the space program so relateable to them. Thank you!
Tim your always expanding my knowledge I love this channel inspired me to start a channel my self great stuff man.
Great explanation! And you summed it all up in the last few minutes. Good job.
The aft skirts and frustums were reused. The frustum is the conical nose. I know, I used to build aft skirts and frustums back in the 80s at McDonnell Douglas, Huntington Beach, Ca.
mattcolver1 that's awesome:)
@Charles Yuditsky A B-1 could never get anywhere near Mach 2.
Charles Yuditsky ppp0
I love these extended videos, Tim! Since I’m used to 10 minute videos, you should see my big grin when I realize there are 20 minutes of awesomeness left! 😄 Thanks, brother! #TeamElon 🚀
You think _this_ is extended, you better get ready!
Brilliant video, mate; well done. You've put in a lot of hard work, by the sounds of it. Looking forward to your next appearance on TMRO with the gang.
Thanks for using two alternatives measurements like miles and km and feet
Hello,
You don't want to wait 30 years.....I can't (:
I was 14 at the first moon landing...then SK 2001..even Thunderbirds !!!....
Where did it all go..
Cordialement,
Knee slappin at the end got me laughing. Great video sir!
Tim, please start a revolution in space talk and call the shock heating upon reentry "shock heating" instead of "friction" ;)
Or compression heating (the air is compressed near the shockwave/boundary layer).
Great visuals and helps tell the commentary nicely! Great Work team
7:42 flat earthers: reeeeeee
Salt water is bad for rockets, m-kay?
It will wash off.
@@davidelliott5843
Salt water corrodes (steel) substantially. What degrades telecommunication towers the fastest is bearing near the ocean, with just having the salt spray wash over them. Now imagine sinking something entirely below the salt water, it's going to need massive refurbishment.
@LotusLambo
Well, the NASA engineers have. And the SpaceX engineers are hoping to avoid that.
kindlin I’m pretty sure they’re both just messing with you my guy 😂
kindlin r/MEGAWOOOSH
Great video! Really glad you aren't wearing the high altitude suit for the full video, I got sympathy heat-stroke watching that!
Keep up the good work!
this is a brilliant video and a great work put into it. This is impressive how you made rocket science so clear to understand !
Love your channel. Keep up the awesome work and thank you for it.
Your content is fantastic. Please keep up the good work!
i see Knews helped you with animation
it's great to see people working together
Lukas is so great! I can’t wait to work together more!!!
One slight issue though, for number 7 (at th-cam.com/video/HF69nqY3TZs/w-d-xo.htmlm42s) we appear to see double on the Falcon 9 first stage
Your 'joie de vivre' is adorable! Your enthusiasm & your love to do this work is so obvious & amazing! It must be very gratifying to do all of this for your channel! :-)
A more useful comparison would be based on capacity. The shuttle could lift 7 astronauts and ~20 tons+ of cargo to the ISS comfortably. Cargo could be enclosed or open in the bay depending on what it was and how packed. Now crewed dragon will be hauling I think only 3 people to the ISS (because thats all NASA wants on it) but can of course haul seven. So a valid comparison would be between 1 shuttle flight and 1 crewed dragon PLUS 4 cargo dragon flights to achieve the same cargo. So now you are talking about "refurbishing" and/or "reusing" 5 dragon first stages, 1 crewed dragon capsule and 4 cargo dragon capsules (all of which have gone for a swim). AND, on top of that you have jettisoned 5 falcon upper stages and 5 trunks (compared to 1 External Tank for the shuttle flight). AND you have had 5 times the launch/range overheads and potentials for issues (the more times you fly, the more chance of failure no matter how good the machine)
Yes the shuttle was way more expensive and complex probably to refurbish. But the difference is not as large as you think when you look at the capacity capabilities of both system required to reach a given goal.
Still cheaper/safer to run multiple SpaceX flights than the Space Shuttle.
The SpaceX company is more innovative than NASA the design will change in the future with new technology and materials much more rapidly than the space shuttle could.. The shuttle was a 1970 design with no innovations allowed. The military made it more expensive to refurbish by demanding such a huge cargo bay that made it heavier, where as if it were smaller and lighter it would have taken less to refurbish it and could have achieved its goal. Less weight on re-entry = less heat generated and probably less complicated. Material sciences of the time and computers back then also contributed to a less than optimal design. That said at the time it was state of the art but by today's standards was obsolete by the 80's and 90's. The real problem was NASA's lack of innovation and management, this is how it's done so don't question the methods used and come up with a better way. NASA a government agency is a bureaucracy and not prone to innovation.
@@johncherish7610 How can you say SpaceX is more innovative than NASA when SpaceX is just building on research that decades of previous launches from various space agencies gave us?
@@TroySavary Does NASA have or ever used a metha-lox rocket engine the answer is NO SpaceX does the raptor engine uses it. This technology didn't exist before SpaceX developed it. Further the development cycle is way faster than what NASA's bloated bureaucracy can produce. NASA has for most part abandoned manned flights out of LEO. SpaceX is developing their star-ships to eventually be interplanetary manned flights so who is more innovative certainly not NASA
@@aphenioxPDWtechnology What is a Mg ?
And how much does the Falcon Heavy lift ? Nice analysis, the re-usability does brings the cost down significantly.
Nice shirt though.. I actually thought that binacular was real
It was so non obvious that you didn't even notice that it has been in a couple of other videos as well (:
Space duck to be true I haven't watched his videos from a month.
Shubham Ware wait is it not real
At first I thought the same. Maybe 'cause in the beginning they are. xD
Great video Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut! Totally unbiased review of course! ;P
Greetings from Siberia!
I jusl love your channel.
Man, you do the grate things, huge thanks!
Love your videos! Keep them coming! (Please:-)
Wait, you have different color eyes? :o
Yup!!!
I've watched so many videos of yours and only noticed now!! That's so cool! The first astronaut with different color eyes (that I know of)... :)
Aliens, aliens, aliens.... All that advanced technologies and you can't even copy a human properly. What a shame.
He had one infant failure, and a matching unit was not available at the time the order was placed. Supply and demand.
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Blue And Brown!
I'm so jealous of that case of Falcon 9/Heavy models. All I have is a paper model 9 from the Zuma mission - and i'm crap at building models so it turned out looking like one of those missions that exploded...
Very informative video. Thank you for your hard work, keep it up! Also, those kNews animations are awesome!
Great video, loved it your videos are great!
Nice job! Love the level of detail. Do keep the heavy suit for the lead-in but they shirt is perfectly hilarious for the rest of the video.
Interesting note. The first ad that popped up was during your crash sequence, and the ad that popped up was a Toyota ad showing a family slamming on the brakes to avoid a crash. (Starting with a flashing red brake light). It was perfect ;-)
he wore the shirt because wearing his space suit for 30+ minutes is extremely hot, he said that before in one of his live streams
Yup, and he asked for feedback. As if we're going to tell him he should be tortured in the heat... ;-)
Cool graphics, no doubt some serious work but they really improved the video!
So long and good videos.. nice homie
Great video. Informative and entertaining. Keep it up!
I love the little animations in this video
Me too
Hello,
You don't want to wait 30 years.....I can't (:
I was 14 at the first moon landing...then SK 2001..even Thunderbirds !!!....
Where did it all go..
Cordialement,
sarran1955 wuts a thunderbird ?
The thunderbirds are a advanced team that uses F-16’s. The thunderbirds are named after- The bird, thunderbirds.
Thunderbirds use retired F-16’s
Just search up: Thunderbirds on google 😀
CSA - Corgi Space Agency thx
@@sank9039 hi
Another great Video Tim, nice one.
I will always have a special place in my heart for the shuttle. The image of that orbiter has feelings attached to it that i can not explain. It has "burnt" its place in my heart.
I really like KNews and Everyday Astronaut channels, really happy to see a cross-over :)
Splashing down is bad, mkay . . .
I didn't know you watched South Park. I laughed so hard at that point I almost died no joke. Lol
We’ll wait, doesn’t EVERYONE WATCH SOUTH PARK?!?! 😂
@@EverydayAstronaut no i dont
An interesting consideration after this is how reusable will the BFR be? With a likely more complex booster and a spaceship that may have to reenter at space shuttle velocities.
Tim once again, fantastic content and presentation style. As an aerospace engineering student (aiming for propulsion) I very much enjoy your "everyday" technical information. Could you do (or have you done) a video specifically on the Falcon 9 retropropulsion regime? Many thanks!
Hey Tim! Great video as always! You are great :D
Coud you please talk about the russian Space Shuttle, that kerbal style Buran?
Keep going! And fly sa...oh wait XD
It took me embarrassingly long to realize you're not wearing binoculars...
Cyberspine I only found out when I read your comment haha
Great channel and content. Keep it up!:)
9:05 Boy do I have something to tell you, past Tim Dodd
Great Video. Can we expect a new BFR video in the near future?
2:00 Trailer for Fast and the Furious: Hyundai Tire Fire (starring Tim Dodd the everyday drifter)
I really appreciate the km/h conversion in this video, thank you Tim :)
conversion? lol
Thank you for teaching me all of this.
I’ve been lucky enough to refurbish the shuttles and the falcon9. One day I’ll be a reusable rocket expert. Hahhaa
Space x: *lands a booster with engines*
Me in ksp: *using parachute and propulsive landing*
I'm new to your channel and I am lovin' the intro ; )
Tanks for the video and clear explanations !
I love the intro music 😀
Great video. fantastic job
I think it might be smart to include SpaceX and NASA in the title name to help get more visibility in youtube
Guy ! You are so good to explain those things, I m realy impressed !
Thank you very much for such good information.
*heat is generated on reentry because the air is compressed to extreme levels*
I'm sure you know this. but I noticed in your video you said friction
Oh, then you said it right when comparing vehicles.
Great work on the video. As always
I have a name it's a combination of both friction and compressed air, when you compress a gas it heats up and if you rub against something it generates heat. So the shuttle is compressing the air heating it up but it is also rubbing against the compressed air causing friction
It’s probably better to think of it in terms of stagnation temperature instead of a PVT comparison. Yes, I know that in this case, it’s the Shuttle moving instead of the gas, but the Shuttle sees it as the gas moving so it’s the same thing.
Both
Pretty sure it’s electrons splitting from the atoms causing plasma.
lots of thigh slapping from 23:47 onwards, I counted 14. Some lederhosen would go well with that shirt
Haha I'm not the only one who noticed that
Lol I got 19 times
Can't unhear now. Thanks a lot you sunavabitch.
Exactly 😂 you ruined your long informative video by doing that buddy
I counted 21
Great video. Suggestions for other stories... similar to this story, compare the tech used to create the dreamchaser craft and old Space shuttles (any game changers that may scale up?)... what is it that makes a moonbase attractive ie how much do we really know about mineable resources there or would it be just a drop off point.
Well, they're certainly rapidly refurbishable at this point.
compered to space shuttle, they're lot more reusable now.
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Suggestion: What’s so cool about Titanium grid fins and fairing recovery
Titanium vs aluminium grid fins (650 vs 1700°C melting point)
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Fairing recovery would be useful if the second stage is also recovered. For lightweight payloads it's easier to reduce the cost by using the payload that isn't used to add some parts to reused the fairing than developp an entirely new launcher.
This is an amazing video!
9:04 6 years later "Hello guys from the moon"
Nice job on this video!!
"A Ton of Friction" ... Correction: "A hell of a *shockwave* pressure"
Nice pickup line.
People keep thinking its friction. It's p r e s s u r e
Great video. Also the spinning globes on your shelf are cool.
I wonder if it would be possible to make something that looked and worked like the space shuttle but wasn't a money guzzling death trap.
@@Mick_92 I have no doubt in SpaceX's ability to make it economical, at least. Time will tell about the death trap part. But I did notice during last week's launch that there's a certain similarity in that it comes in on a steep aerodynamic trajectory, flares, and lands.
ok, so i just noticed you only have 128k subs... how is that so low? you're soo good!
Freaking love it, Tim. Truly, my hero. Some day I'll have enough for my suit. In the mean time, we spread the space love.