FFXV: Noctis Combat Comparison (2013 vs. 2016 - 2018)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- A comparison between the combat styles of the beloved E3 2013 iteration, and release to Armiger Unleashed version.
No, the combat is not the same. It may appear the same on paper, but it is entirely different. The combination of Armiger Unleashed and 2016 base combat looks like E3 2013's combat, but downgraded then split up. Do note that I had to record my own gameplay and splice parts of both 2016 and 2018 just to match it up to 2013's combat.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why Tabata and co. chose to remove the 2013 combat. It's very obvious that the earlier concepts ranging from story to design to gameplay were much more interesting than whatever Business Division 2 could come up with.
They know very well that Versus concepts were better based on fan reception, and because of it, gave us a $15 DLC pack that consisted of unused assets that they discarded because Tabata wanted to make his Fan Fiction Final Fantasy, not Nomura's. Even then, BD2 still insisted on adding their own little touches to the original work so they could claim it as their own (i.e. excessively lengthy, annoying animations mid-battle).
Armiger Unleashed only replicates parts of the original combat. "Insomnia Expanded" is a bunch of imperial bases copied and pasted around a map with more streets and does not make up for the loss of the entire invasion. It's all downgraded replacements.
Stop saying that FFXV is Versus XIII, it never will be.
It's all a scam that FFXV shills will continue to blindly defend.
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And god, the effects in the final game look horrible compared to the prototype.
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even the duscae demo 1.0 had better combat then the final product
Imagine if they actually built on this th-cam.com/video/Qr2t2Si60Ak/w-d-xo.html; instead of scrapping it and retooling the combat system with less a year of dev time remaining.
@@TsakaneMaluleke agreed shame they got rid of it
@@TsakaneMaluleke First time i saw this video and it made me pissed off even more. I dont know really understand why they nerf the combat or make it less creative but i assume that the final product combat is less time and effort to make because they know they flopped the game and they just want to make money of it somehow. Well good for them they manage to sell 8.9 million copies of the game which is #6 out of 15-20 games and that even pisses me off so more. If they actually nurture this game and make the game reach to its potential. The game would have sold over 20-30 million copies and i even dare to say that the game would have been candidate for Game of The Year
Check out dis guy name Derek Bonilla channel he made ffxv look like versus 13.
Hell no it didin't lol
The sadest part is that the footage from the trailers was set during the Invasion of Insomnia.
Meaning the powers we see there are supposed to be your characters at the BEGINNING of their Journey.
They likely got even more powerful and better abilities down the line, while in the final version of what we got, our max power is basically a watered down version of what the start of the game's power would have been like.
Don't bring up the ring of the Lucii and Royal Arminger, they are pretty limited and feel very tagged on, let alone you don't even "earn" them by growing in power.
One is given by following the story and waiting for Noctis to just put the damned thing on instead of holding on to it while there are literally no downsides to him putting it on due to being royal blood.
And the second is less earned and more a collectable given after talking to a statue of Somnus that just did not belong in the location it was put, and feels extremely out of place.
It was in a prototype engine. They just wanted to show cool animation work they did. Also the fall of insomnia happened at night, the trailer happens during sunset. Just a "vertical slice" of things to come.
No ones gonna see this but to hell with it. My thoughts of the game is that it IS good, but not for the reasons everyone expected it to be. It didn't deliver its original intentions nor did it give the fans what they expected for years, but from it it did give us by its own merits was good. If you push aside what was SUPPOSED to be in the game when they first revealed it and the later rebranding, it is a good game with noticeable flaws. But if we are looking at it from the perspective that it was supposed to be much larger than what we see already, then disappointment insues. Basically, short answer is a yes(with an if) and long answer is a no(with a but)
The cut up story is the worst for me. Even ignoring older versions and Versus, it leaves a lot to be desired.
-The plot hole of Gladio leaving and Ignis being blind being left to DLC months later
-Important lore (cosmogony, Ifrit, plasmodiums/starscourge, solheim) being relegated to rare books and freaking loading screens
-Luna gets fucking nothing, no tales of how she somehow arrived to and from various locations. Did she hitch hike her way across the country?
You just repeated its good 4 timed but didnt give any reasons why it was good.
The only disappointment is that the game isn’t finished we’re just missing the last three dlc stories to fully end the game, like you said putting all the what could’ve been on the side ffxv is great & at least somethings were kept in the game one thing for sure I can see square is very aware of many things fans wanted so delivered with armiger unleashed sadly tho they didn’t finish the game completely with noctis luna & arnea dlc
1:45 that was sort of character change system ????????
The 2013 demo is on Ebony Engine. The release version and beyond is on Luminous Engine which was 100x more finnicky and difficult to develop on. Especially in the 3 years they got. Tabata asked for an extra year of dev time but was denied and given 2 months. Video over.
If they continue using ebony engine i wonder we could have gotten whats in the 2013 trailer a cinematic action combat. Plus it could have much more content in the game rather than Cut some of best moments like the the Gang fighting in insomia invasion.
1:23 WTF that was awesome haven't unlocked that yet 😁😁
I just thought what if FFXV had Metal Gear Rising's battle system?
SINCE WHEN COULD YOU COMBO AN IRON GIANT LIKE THAT
2013 have more fluid combat
For someone that followed everything since the first trailer in 2006, Final Fantasy XV is nothing but a HUGE wasted potential!
1:25 never once got that animation when I parry that thing.
it's there, but really hard to get...I think the conditions is
1. the giant must be on low health
2. Noctis must equip greatsword
3. all party member must be alive
you have to parry with a greatsword
yeah, it's really hard..especially when your level is so high that you struggle with trying to "damaging the enemy but not killed them" XD
Superslash exactly what I'm saying, in all my time playing, even with the sword everyone is telling me to use, I've never once got this.
strange... i've done it plenty of times
you can still do that in 2016 version 0:45
Do what? What exactly are you pointing at?
Air steping in any direction I mean
Faraz Niayesh yep u can do it
Tbh at least armiger unleashed has a combo mechanic & not full mash circle or triangle buttons
Please! Somebody, revive vsXIII after FFVIIR! It's battle system is so good! Well, maybe not so good, but FFXV definetly needed combat menu, which was seen in Final Fantasy VII Remake. Still, FFXV Armiger Unleashed is such a badassness, but it needed more fancy moves.
VERUM REX, BABY!
@@danieloftamriel To hell with Verum Rex! This game will NEVER become true FFvsXIII! It will be only a clone of it.
@@user-sm6gn3nl6o At this point it probably is going to be Versus XIII, quite literally. Nomura has been acting kind of shady as of now. Dissidia got that costume, all these references in KH3, and that chocobo on Yozora. Nomura is probably just going to screw over SE by transitioning Verum Rex into Versus.
Taba fuckup FF15. Nomura is the real god in making good FF games.
Well. The irony is that Nomura never had his own Final Fantasy. Versus/XV was supposed to be his own, but you know how it ended. We can't really say Ff7 remake and rebirth are his own too because the original project was already done a few years ago. Unfortunately, what is his own is kingdom hearts for now. We'll see what happens with KH4 and what are his next projects.
I was pissed that they removed the HUD from the demo. It has a modern look. I remember a Skyrim mod has that kind of hud.
Wait you could have done environmental execution using cars!? God now I am really disappointed.
The video would have been fine if it wasn't for the clear bias shown in the written portions. Couldn't you compare properly instead of lace it with your personal preferences?
Agreed
This is one of the most salty mean spirited "analyses" I've ever seen. It's important to note that pretty much all the 2013 footage is fake and represents a proof of concept, not an actual game running in real time. I'm 110% convinced OP made this video just to detract people with more Anti-FFXV behavior. What a complete waste of time.
Hahaha you are so salty
Lmao ok salty XV fans.
@@hououinkyouma3864 says the guy who felt pressured to respond to a 2 year old comment just to feel good about himself.
We lost one of the best FF games just because the mid KH was in the works
Sure psl
Well they had a powerful pc rendering that in 2013. Ps4 in ffxv.
Just finished 15 and god it’s a fucking mess
As a long time FF fan and someone who loves the way they went with XV’s combat. I’m glad we didn’t get the Versus XIII focus. The game looked like it was becoming too cinematic and full of Gravity Rush / Dissidia style gameplay, which just isn’t for me. Not saying it looks bad, just giving my voice as someone who wasn’t upset about the change of direction.
Bro, the video said that the current combat was too cinematic with all the long ass cutscenes in the middle of battle. What are you talking about?
Mark Phern I’m talking about what I felt when I saw early trailers. What the video creator discusses and what I felt are two different things, ‘bro’. I’m not attacking or defending anything, relax.
Okay I get you now. I'm going to have to say that my opinion is completely the opposite of yours. I absolutely despised the direction that Tabata took it. Nomura's original "fantasy based on reality" concept was taken in a way that I absolutely hate by Tabata.
Lying Hipster
Check out dis guy name Derek Bonilla channel he made ffxv look like versus 13.
I would enjoy this video better if there wasn’t such a clear bias on which version you think is better. I’m tired of people who don’t like 15 acting like versus 13 is better when you have no idea if it was or not, the only thing you have to go on is a trailer made to hype people up. It’s ok if you don’t like the game but don’t try to say that versus 13, a game that will never come out is better than it because you have no idea if that’s true or not because IT NOT EVEN A FULL GANE. Like Jesus fuck it’s 2018 you’re still complaining about a game that wasn’t even finished. Let it go and stop living in the past. The game is not what YOU wanted but there are millions of people who enjoy the fuck out of this game so It’s not like the game we have now is a bad game.
Tabata's ninja way
Yep, but 2016 version was actualy released
2013 wasn't even a real gameplay... Thats why...
the insomnia citadel part was tho.... the game had clear signs of being played by an actual person ingame rather than being cg, signs like the command menu matching the actions performed onscreen, some detection issues and bugs visible in the gameplay trailer and even lag in the trailers.
I wouldnt be surprised if the leviathan part was cgi tho.