still thr 4070 draws way less power,nvidia just sucks for their price scheme,they became like apple,the 4090 should cost 900 euro, the 4080 600, the 4070 ti 400 4070 325.
1080ti was like 1k usd it was still very expensive back then but now u could buy a 4060 for 290usd and get the same performance and less power consumption
get a job kid even in my days a 970 cost more than your dreamland 4070 lol then how much you want a ps5 with lower performance cost? 200? might as well just go get a job to flip burger and eat it for free
If AMD can at least get the RT performance on par with Nvidia for their next lineup of cards then we'll have a winner. Rasterization performance wise the 7800 and 7900 series are excellent performers.
@@neried They WERE planning on making a 5090 killer, but decided against it. There will still be regular high-end cards. Stop spreading misinformation.
Surprisingly close on CP77 RT Ultra, 7800XT has less than 30fps avg while 4070 has a bit more than 30, but 1% and .1% are about the same on both, frametimes very consistent on 7800XT compared to 4070.
@@ShinyHelmeton 1440p having 60 fps vsync on + psycho RT + path tracing on on 4070 with r7 7800x3d. (With dlss quality + fg). I would say it’s perfectly playable for single player game
@@maxtrofim5322 If you wanted to play with DLSS, you could've saved some money and bought a cheaper GPU, then play everything with DLSS. I don't care for RT if it butchers performance to the point where I have to use DLSS and frame gen.
@@evilleader1991 Projecting? I haven't bought an Nvidia card since the GTX970. That was the last time Nvidia beat AMD at the entry / mid point. And what happened the week after I spent £330 on a KFA2 970? Thats right - AMD dropped the price of their R9 290 to just £240. And today, the R9 290 beats not only the GTX780, but the GTX970, GTX780Ti and even the GTX980. Go figure.
@@DavidSanR No mate. The 4090 is a faster card by around 25% on average. BUT IT DOES COST 100% more. Which means it's absolutely TRASH value for money compared to ... well compared to pretty much every card ever. By a mile. EDIT :::: MISREAD your post. Yes, the 7900XTX > 4080. For some reason I originally thought you wrote 4090.
The 7800 XT has ray tracing performance that competes with the 4060 Ti and they priced it as such. It's absolutely the best value as of today. Hyper RX and the upcoming FSR3 are really going to send it to the moon❤! I have a 4090 but recognize greatness from AMD when I see it.
I am buying a 7800XT Nitro as we speak. It include Starfield, I don't care about raytracing at large and if used, will pick RT medium setting to increase FPS. All in all, I am going to get +60% compared to my current EVGA 1080Ti which is going to have a new career in my brother in law PC, replacing a 1060GTX, so he can triple FPS in Microsoft flight simulator, the single game he is playing. Everybody happy, my first AMD card as I switched to AMD for CPU years ago.
@@tj3495 buss bandwidth is no longer relevant to gaming performance dude, it will only make a difference when working with specialized software which is pretty trash vs AMD whose cards are trash outside of gaming Having a high vram buss is just an unnecessary advertising trick, but for nvidia, the fact that they are equipped with low buss bandwidth is really worth mentioning when their cards are best supported by specialized software, which nvidia What we do here is to give a low amount of vram so that gamers will definitely upgrade to the 5000 or 6000 generation of RTX cards when games use more vram, but for working people, nvidia forces them to buy expensive card models. Instead of buying low-end card models with high vram and large buss with just enough performance for the job, avoid their mistake of RTX 3060 12gb vram
Czech republic: cheapest option: RTX 4070 - 660 dollars 7800XT - 610 dollars And RT is "meh" for me. So now, who didnt get 6800/6800XT, it is time to get 7800XT:)
RTX 4070 isn't that mind blowing in terms of performance but the low power consumption is just awesome, that's why I went with it, very efficient card.
I know right. That extra 80-100 watts is hard to ignore when it's going to be the difference of my PSU staying in quiet eco mode versus doing its impression of a jet engine. Hmm
More people need to talk about this. I don't like Nvidia scamming their customers with the pricing of their cards, but I will give them props for having a very efficient power draw. The extra ~100W power draw on the 7800XT adds up to a lot on your yearly electricity bill in Europe.
@stanum2169 It's the same reason I'm not even close to considering going back to Intel. The way they became competitive again by juicing 160 watt mainstream CPUs. Like wtf. Wrong direction guys!
Yeah but sadly enough with Radeons you're stuck with the TAA or - even worse - FSR, while with the RTX 4070 comes the DLSS upscaling which is better / on par with Native and whipes the floor with FSR in terms of visual quality and temporal stability.
@@otravoyadnoe I have a 4090 and DLSS is close but not on par with native most of the time. You can tell the difference. And in some scenes, there's slight shimmering. It is better than FSR true, but it's not night and day, especially at 4k. I never use it, even when I want to try raytracing. I'm actually to the point where I'm going to return the 4090 for 2 reasons: One, they are still catching fire and I don't want to risk it, and two, t's not worth the $1799 I paid for it. The 7900 XTX is more appealing.. and safer.
monopoly. a 6800xt can get 20 more frames on ultra by overclocking (beating 7800xt). If 7800xt was as good as 6900xt id buy it. maybe I'll buy it if it's a great overlocker like 6800xt is so it can beat 6900xt but I doubt it.
@@christohees9150 true but me personally I’d rather buy 6900xt for $450 and get free upgrade to 9800xt 4 years early and better ppw then oc the shit out of it and get free 10800xt 6 years early.
RTX means cards developed to work with ray tracing, and as we see by this tests, it perform better when you setup ray tracing. So maybe you have to ask this question to your self, you must learn the specs, because they are exists.
@@Atheismo9760 Ah, ok, so when NVidia develop that overwhelm users prediction, they must call it 4077 ti ti instead 4070? There was many cases when NVidia released graphic cards that way better than users expected, but no one was crying about the names. I think Nvidia have rights on how they name their products, and this is completly redicilous some one blame them for their rights only in cases when they feel it would bring them some benefits. I doublt if Nvidia would call their card differently it would affect on the price. The lack of brain of users, that is the problem here only. If they do not agreed with they price, they just should not buy something they do not like. I doubt Nvidia will have some issues just because some sissy turned in to cry about Nvidia product.
Ive bought 7800XT Phantom Gaming. 1.3 KG of pure quality in hands! Card is beast. Factory overclocked +135 Mhz, put lil bit UV for 15 Wats less and Rock n Roll!
The power consumption is often overlook in most benchmarks. 190w vs 275w, depending on how often you game and the cost of electricity where you're from, that's potentially huge savings overtime.
@@Grstrangler it's not really a comparison but since it has lower power draw and more efficient, i guess its better. that's potentially huge savings overtime.
This is sick!!!! Price difference 100$ between rtx 4070 and rx 7800 xt. Fps is similar but in some games 7800 XT beats it for real, plus having 16 gb vram. What impresses me the most is the TEMPS. look at those temps, not even 50C sometimes and doesn't even reach 60C.
@@Rico-zq2ej The 7800xt is a 6800xt but with 20-30% less power draw, AV1, slightly better RT, AI cores which will probably show up in the not too far off future in various things and faster vram. RDNA2 has had 3 years of optimizations, RDNA3 is really just getting started, in another year or two the 7800xt will be well ahead.
@@Rico-zq2ejnot garbage at all for the price, it beats every card at the price range in gaming. the increase in power draw isn't enough to make a difference in temps and lower temps is a great thing. also the extra VRAM will be quite usefull in the future. additionally, zip up Nvidia's pants when you are done
@rover-raid6396 I'll probably buy 7800xt. It's faster, cheaper, and has more vram. 60W of the difference is not that much, especially if you take higher performance under consideration.
@@Tomasz- it’s not faster is the problem tho. The speeds are significantly slower if you watch the graph, but the 4070 drivers and optimization is dog shit so you dont really get to see it shine.
@@rover-raid6396 just undervolt the rx 7800 xt, tests on the internet consistently show that you preserve the same FPS or get even better - or if you draw a really shitty chipset, then you lose a few FPS at most
@@onimusha13 undervolting in general can lead to problems and the second you try any rt you’re gonna lose a lot more than a few fps. Undervolting a little is okay but 60w worth of undervolting just won’t happen
The 7800XT is just the 6800XT cut down some with more transistors. It's always a slightly smaller node shrink and nothing more. Then these companies cut the memory bandwidth down for cost.
Not sure whats interesting about it, just add larger alluminium surface and heatpipes. The red devil is a massive 3 slot triple fan card, shocker that its thermally outperforming the guys stock 4070 on a AMD sponsored video.
Well, we can't really see how fast the fans are running, which is a very important aspect. Also this test is bit wierd when compared to others and seems to favor AMD a tiny bit, maybe? :D It's always better to watch multiple channels.
There's really no point since every piece of silicon is different. Pick a couple of cards of the same model and you can have completely different results.
Too little attention to the fact that the 4070 runs with 130-170W while the 7800XT uses easily 270-280W. Electrical bills aren't free (nor is the environmental impact)
Indeed, thats only reason why i have not bought one already. Currently i have 2060 in my Dan A4 H2O so my main concern is power, thats why im considering 4070 even is much more expensive.
@@Ladioz TDP of GPU dumping all that heat into the rad on top of the case, since i have very high ambient temp through out the year. My 2060 sips just around 150W tops and my CPU often got up to 80°C using PBO -30 setting. Getting a 250W GPU would make it even worse.
@@martinrisian3420 I know exactly what you mean. I was stupid enough to buy a 3060 TI GDDR6X around 8 months ago, it was using 230W while gaming. Crazy. It was keeping itself cool at 66 degrees only because it was pumping all its hot air into my cpu cooler. normally my cpu would be around 50-60 degrees while gaming and that gpu made my cpu get as much as 75 degrees since the cooler was pulling in hot air rather than the fresh air from front panel. it sounds like you have a really hot room. so if you won a 4090 or a 4080 you would probably not use it due to high power ? is that what youre saying? I would agree with you btw, since i only game at 1080p i wouldnt want those cards
@@martinrisian3420 One more thing. While both the 7700 and 7800 cards are using alot of power, are you also aware about how cool they run? ive seen about 6 realistic benchmarks so far and ive never seen the card get hotter than 65 degrees while gaming. you could say its dumping all its heat into the cooler.... since i have a 5800X3D you can imagine how worried i am about that happening to me and how hot it will get
I have seen a video where they did exactly that. They undervolted the 7800XT to max 200W consumption. And the rasterization performance was a bit superior in average to the 4070. So essentially the same performance. I do not remember the name of the channel or the video. But I think it had 7800xt 200W in the title.
the 7800 looks like a great card, just a little high on the power-draw for my SFF build. Hopefully this pushes the price of the 4070 to the 450-500 price-point. Energy bills + cooling power-hungry cards all summer is adding up.
you can undervolt it to reduce consumption quite a bit without losing performance, or you can like halve its consumption for a small performance penalty (10%). either will make it more acceptable. (you can do that with the 4070 too, just to be clear. my 4080 is using less power than this 4070 and it walks all over it)
Figure out your AMD driver software, there are alot of tuning options, very easy to set and test. And also if you have newest intel or AMD cpu, you can enable "Resizeable BAR" for even more fps!
Remember when the 3060 Ti was aiming at 1440p gaming? Good ol´ days. Now between this ridiculously demanding new gen of games and all this push for generated frames shenanigans the only future proof cards are the fucking 4090 and 7900 xtx IF that. Holy shit get me back to 2018 please.
Both cards misrepresent what they're pulling in MSI Afterburner. Average power draw differential between 4070 and 7800XT according to Hardware Unboxed was around 60-80 watts, the high end power draw on AMD's side of about 380w total system usage. So expect your total system draw to be around that point, and 4070 closer to 310 than 380. It's a bit, but on the other hand, it's also outperforming it.
those are invalid numbers, they show total system power rather than card power so if you have a different processors/ cooler etc etc the figures will be different hardware nexus has the correct numbers
@@ocha-timeI've been testing an asus dual 4070 OC and it never has exceeded 242 watts. They are very efficient cards, just not as very good value to performance.
@@joshbrobud8358 Not everyone live in the US, also it is not just about price, more power creates more heat, i don't know about you but i don't want a heater in the room. So more power -> more heat -> higher RPM on the fans -> louder. So just simply having a card with less power consumption is going to solve multiple issues at once.
@@archadiano ok but you could also under volt the 4070 and still be ahead in the power saving. After 4 to 5 years of heavy use, you've saved a lot of energy.
Legit no reason for anyone to buy a 4070 at this point. 7800xt is just the better card and priced much better. Nvidia is also gonna have to reduce the price of the 4070 now. or its gonna be a dead card
Wow, not fussed about RT but what is up with the 4070 in CP 2077, the 1% Lows of the 7800xt are higher than the the AVG of the 4070?? Was having bad buyers remorse lol, now I hope they hurry up and mail it lol
Have 1660 Ti, which is basically the same. Mind sharing why you decided to upgrade? Debating whether to pick 4070 or Rx 7800xt with a new PSU (I have 600w gold be quiet, so need to change it). Or keep 1660 ti till the day it cannot run the games anymore😅
@@profix4993 hey man, yeah I had to get a new PSU too. I'm not personally fussed on RT, raster is my main concern so I just went for best value. Both good cards, and if RT were a factor for me it's hard to pass up NVIDIA. Also I bought as cheap as possible to get back into PC a couple of years ago, intended on upgrading GPU but mining boom and ridiculous pricing meant I had to wait.
@@profix4993600 watt psu is fine if the psu is of decent quality and rating. I run 6800 xt on 650 watt with no problems, but my cpu is power efficient too (5800x3d)
The 7800 XT has the upper hand here without ray tracing. But since I dont use ray tracing I dont care about that. Biggest problem I have with the AMD GPU's is the power consumption. Its just insane.
Undervolt it. I had the RX 6700 XT which TDP was 230w. Just a -8% power control it went to 190w max with about 3% FPS drop. But then again, I play with 60 FPS lock so the average consumption is around 120w :D
@@SirRasor I mean power consumption in idle on desktop. My PC is on all day just watching youtube, in idle the 4070S consumes 5-6 watts, (my old 3060 Ti consumed 10-11 idle), thats a good upgrade on its own. A 7800 XT casually takes 40-80 watt on desktop.
I'm the only one who noticed, but back in the days AMD's 700 series were supposed to compete with Nvidia 70 Series. RX 5700xt x RTX 4070 RX 6700xt x RTX 3070 Last gen we had the RX 6800XT competing against the RTX 3080. Looking to this sounds like the Amd/Nvidia gap is getting bigger. Also Wtf? Nvidia prices are getting insane, if the prices continue to go up in 10 years GPUS will cost like a car.
@@sanitygone-l9y They are real frames, they are just generated. While it’s true it’ll increase your input lag, it’s negligible when you have a base frame of 60 or more, and instead it will give you a much more smoother experience. After all, it’s a story game, not a shooter or FPS game. And 20-30ms is really not that noticeable in these games.
The 12GB RAM is often too small for FG. Spiderman, Last of us, Harry Potter, RE4 and so on... DLSS and FG are just marketing. Works well, but in a very lot of usecases not possible to use
@ThePaze86 I own the 4070 and what you're saying is not true, FG works great and I've had no issues with the VRam at any game, I usually play 1440p ultra and no problems at all
the 7800XT is $500 MSRP not $550 And the 4070 Average around $650 not 600. You raise the price of the AMD and lower the price of the 4070. Something wrong here.
Ray Tracing = Make game more shiny, lose at least half your FPS Nvidia: We can flex that sht AMD: We will support RT, but not really care about it Player who play with RT ON have 1 thing in common with players who use 4K monitors - they are the 0.01% So nobody really gives a fuck
It's a shame you don't have Witcher 3 among these games. For me it's the only game that is worth playing with ray tracing, apart from CP2077 (but with path tracing) Still, good video, thank you for sharing.
W3 has broken RT to this day. Glitches, weird lightning, broken shadows on daily basis. And the performance is awful all across the cards. I guess CD Projekt Red can not make good RT. Proabably that's why they switched to UE5 for next Witcher.
Maybe cheaper and more power in some games and settings, but the power draw is close to 100w difference does it for me… 4070 is more stable across the table
4:10 the power consumption difference between the two is huge. and rt is where the 4070 shines. i am not an nvidia fan or anything i have both 4070 and 6800xt but we have to give it to nvidia. i lock my in game fps at 60 at 1440p with dlss and fg if available. and the 4070 sits at around 70-110w of consumption. that is laptop level consumption for a higher performance.
If you pick nvidia here and it comes with a 600 dollar price tag, why not just get 6950 XT, pretty sure that would be better than the 4070. I won't give it to Nvidia for losing on a lot of games against a card that is cheaper by 50-100 dollars. But if you're on that minority who picks RT over raw performance then suit yourself. I would just put that excess money and invest on a good PSU.
I'm no Nvidia fanboy but you're going to need a good power supply at the consistent levels the 7800xt is chugging at max settings. I guess you can close off your heat duct in the winter. 🤷♂️ Still impressed by the performance though.
love how people tend to forget its not all about raw power. i have a small room and 4070 is way more suitable for me than a power hungry 6950 xt which will heat my room like no tomorrow.@@ですナオミ
@@felixreithofer It's not my problem you have a small room and can't beat a little bit of heat. Were talking here about people who can afford $600+ gpu but can't deliver money to adjust their room ventilation? Maybe choose your priorities first, fix your room ventilation/move to a larger space then spend on your pc build. You'd be better than someone who sacrifices pc performance so that they can feel a little bit cooler.
Bye bye Nvidia, AMD is actually killing you :) I will never buy Nvidia anymore 'cause I'll never FORGET what you've DONE ! And what about 4070 vs 7700 XT, maybe more fair lol ?
Team AMD assembled Looks awesome, but this just arrived, in a few months with many updates, probably gives better performance from now to up coming days
@@Itz.joshi_007they are charging $500 for it when it's bearly better than the 4070 without RT, Dlss and FG. Granted the 4070 is $100 more expensive but when you start factoring in dlss, rt and FG it starts to look bad for the 7800xt. The real improvement it has over the 6800xt is rt performance which people who typically buy AMD don't care much about. If it was $100 or $50 cheaper Nvidia would be very worried. They did what Nvidia did and branded the 7800 xt a tier higher. It should've been the 7700xt or 7800 at best
@@Rico-zq2ej dude the difference between 6800xt and 7800xt pricing is 150$ so its a no brainer for new gpu buyers to go for 7800xt But if someone already has 6800xt then they don't need for an upgrade Also 16gb 4060ti costs $500 which is in 7800xt range and 7800xt completely destroys it
@@Rico-zq2ej Have you considered that in sponsored games they're just ensuring that the shaders that get the full performance of the card are being used? Because RDNA3 requires wave64 shaders to run at full potential, something that's not going to apply to prior games or games made without them in mind.
en una pagina Fanboys de Nvidia decian que la RX 7800 XT era solo 0.5% superior a la 4070 pero en esto yo veo una pasada de media tremenda jaja xD le gana por encima de 20 fps en muchos juegos eso representa casi un 25% y con RT están casi a la par que locura por 100$ menos vale la pena y con 16gb de vram en lo unico que le gana es en consumo pero no es tan relevante en esta gama para mi
Rtx a la par dices.... en hogwarts legacy la 4070 tiene un 100% más de rendimiento, qué dices jajaja, y en el resto de títulos aprox un 20-25% teniendo en cuenta de que la gráfica efectivamente es menos potente. Imagina si fueran igual de potentes... el menos fanboy de amd sos
@@joaquingarcia3913 en cuales titulos segun tu? Hogwarts legacy en RT van mal todas no solo AMD xD ve comparativas amigo y no es un 25% es un 15% en RT en consumo si que es mejor pero en rasterizado es mucho mejor AMD
RX is around 15% faster AND 10% cheaper if you play in true resolution (without dlss/fsr) and if you dont touch raytracing. If you do, then its the other way around. So you should choose based on how you gonna play your games most of the time. PS5 Pro is gonna be around that RX 7800 XT lvl of performance. Which is kind of cool since true 4k and 60 fps is gonna be the best way to play. So the price for PS5 Pro is gonna be 649$-699$ for disc version.
@@Adrian-tl5ue should be well over a 3080 in performance though. Huge jump in price for a 70 series card, and doesn’t even top the previous card above it. Nvidia are screwing the consumer twice over. But don’t worry… they’re kind enough to let us save £10 a year on energy bills.
I hope AMD can price these cards more competitively in the future. The 7800XT should be noticeably cheaper than the 4070, but it’s a similar price here in Australia. Same thing happened with the 7900XTX, which was priced the same as a 4080, so I just bought the 4080.
In many of these games, the 1% lows of the 7800 XT beat the avg FPS of the 4070. Why should it be cheaper? Same price is reasonable, though the MSRP for the 7800 XT still is a lot lower.
I'm in South Africa so pricing is all over, so between Sapphire nitro+ RX 7800xt for $706 or Palit jetstream RTX 4070 for $720 which one will you go for. 1080p with I7 12700, AAA games
Just so you know, the AMD card uses almost 80 watts of power more than the NVIDIA one, so it's not really worth it for 20 fps when it also performs worse when having ray tracing set on
The only reason I would go with amd is the 16gb of vram. The price is to close and no NVIDIA card (besides of the almighty 4090) should be use without dlss Q. You pay the premium because of that.
I think the 7800 xt is the better buy unless you have specific needs like, you are limited by your case or you need cuda for your work. Lower tdp is fine but it isnt enough. Also the promo Starfield code worth something.
@@fdevaa in my country 4070's worst models cost 100$ more than 7800xt's best models, I wont pay 100$ more for less performance and some features I wont even use
I Really wanna updrade to the 7800xt but the power usage is too high i might even have to buy a psu for that matter or should i buy 4070? coz the psu that im using right now has only 600w. Also for my gpu and processor i use a 3060 and a ryzen 7 7700x. Need help
I'd recommend getting an 850W PSU It would be the most worthwhile investment because, eventually, you'll need more wattage for upgrading in the future, anyway. Only makes sense. After that, I'd go for the 7800 XT. I picked one up a few weeks ago and the performance is great - RT performance is also pretty good imo. 16GBs of VRAM on a 256 bit-bus with that performance for ~$500 just can't be beaten. Highly recommended
Depending on game, these "FEEL" pretty close to each other. In my country the RX 7800 XT is a little cheaper, but seeing the EXTRA 80-90W usage on the RX 7800 XT in this video, it may get "more expensive" in the end (long term extra electricity usage). This extra G.PWR, combined with my previous bad experience with Radeon cards (20 years ago, but stuck with me obviously), I would never buy anything else but Nvidia. I am not going to argue with anyone which is better, not my point, just my 30+ gaming experience did LEAD me to Nvidia as the "for me" safer choice :)
Damn the comparison is so confusing, either you want above 10 to 15 more frames with cooler graphics card, or want to save 80 to 100 watts on nvidia as compared to amd using more power. Both have their perks.
@@justeddm I mean it also just has slower speeds and less raw power, so it would be worse for anything software related. But it’s still a good card so idk
7800 ХТ faster by 20%; 100% GPU load in games with the same processor; The TDP is higher, but the temperature is 10° lower, the frametime graph is much more stable. This is the best video card for playing 4k on ultra, albeit without rays. But when will it come out fsr 3, then maybe everything will change
Much greater power efficiency, much better RT performance and has DLSS 3.5 which objectively looks better than FSR. The fact that a card as powerful as the 4070 has a 200W TDP is just crazy.
Thanks for this :) I notice in Starfield that the 4070's ram is quite a bit lower than the 7900, which makes me wonder if a driver optimisation to do more preload would not help it in the future.... if Nvidia have time of course with all the cash from AI they have to have a bath in.
@@zomg346 why would they care about DLSS when Nvidia invested almost nothing it to its game ready driver team. Considering how 'unbuggy' it is for one of there games at launch i am supprised.
@@smudg39 yep I figured as much my 4060 gets 80 fps in cyberpunk with raytracing and starfield can barely manage 40 fps without the dlss mod,with it it’s stable 60 outside and 80 inside
thats not only in starfield. Nvidia Cards using less VRAM in Games. it a Range from 1 to 1,5 GB sometimes. Maybe a Driver thing, how AMD handles the Vram.
Interesting to see how much Nvidia optimizes for Ray Tracing. That and DLSS being (imo) the superior upscaler are what is selling me on going Nvidia over AMD
"Nvidia optimizes for Ray Tracing"? - You'll find that for many 'Nvidia sponsored' titles, the following pseudo code will tick that off... If AMD_GPU_Detected execute Deliberate_Slowdown_HeHeHe
All of these tricks suck. Look at 8:43 how the sign draws in. Looks so bad. I just got a 4070 and while I am happy with the FPS I am missing my RX 580s color production and sharpness on more distant objects. It is not really getting 15% more FPS if you are only drawing 80% of the frame.
@@ShinyHelmet You'll save far more than $100 in electricity over the lifetime of the card. Can use a lower quality PSU as well, so that is automatic savings. $100 to enjoy a far higher quality upscaler and frame generation today is worth it.
@@TalonsTech why do gamers use the electricity argument lmao, it's a decent metric to see how more efficient one arquitecture is from another, but in real use scenario it will not have an impact even in germany, you need to run a 4090 and 13900K non stop at 100% for a whole year to notice an actual difference in electricity bill, you wont notice a 80W difference that its only there when you are gaming for a few hours
in this test the 4070 is running way above stock frequencies and the 7800xt still has overclocking headroom. and you're never going to find a 4070 that performs this well for msrp. this entire video is very sus.
Interesting gpu especially for the raster, the problem of consumption remains, they are really high compared to the 4070, let's see the street price, I expect at least 100/150 euros less than the 4070
If you are NOT able to purchase the flagship GPUs right now (e.g. 4090), I do not recommend focusing on Ray Tracing. RT murders performance on most of the GPUs and very few games have it implemented in them. And thus, AMD beats NVIDIA in terms of raw power and price.
The story is as expected. AMD wins in pure dollar for FPS but falls short when RT is enabled. AMD also uses about 50% more power to achieve this result. So which one to buy? I don't know... it depends what you care about...
Both are the best cards for me. İn a dekstop i would use 7800xt In laptop 4070 but RTX has dlss whic can boost your FPS by two times FSR isnt that good but still a good choice
Games :
Starfield - 0:30
Spider-Man Miles Morales - 1:09 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesSpiderManPC
Spider-Man Miles Morales RT - 2:03
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 2:52 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
CYBERPUNK 2077 RT - 4:00 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
The Last of Us Part I - 5:04
Remnant 2 - 6:05
Remnant 2 DLSS\FSR - 6:47
Hogwarts Legacy - 7:24 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy
Hogwarts Legacy RT - 8:11
Forza Horizon 5 - 9:03 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
Hitman 3 - 10:18 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 11:17 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
Resident Evil 4 - 12:22
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Windows 11
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ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming - bit.ly/3scEZpc
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz - bit.ly/3XlBGdU
CPU Cooler - Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 - bit.ly/3Pn2xVx
GeForce RTX 4070 12GB - bit.ly/405fHYP
RADEON RX 7800 XT 16GB -
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Hey could you do it for 1080 p , I rx 7700xt
The RX 7800XT mrsp is $500 not $550 as your video claims.
What about undervolt? How many watts are you getting from the 7800 xt?
@@ShinyHelmet Tax?
Bro I am having doubt if fbs high is better lower is better? I don't know Pls tell nw
still thr 4070 draws way less power,nvidia just sucks for their price scheme,they became like apple,the 4090 should cost 900 euro, the 4080 600, the 4070 ti 400 4070 325.
bro it aint 2009 anymore have u heard about inflation ??? 300 for a 4070 wtf do u have in ur brain
1080ti was like 1k usd it was still very expensive back then but now u could buy a 4060 for 290usd and get the same performance and less power consumption
@@bomber.2879 1080ti was 700...
get a job kid
even in my days a 970 cost more than your dreamland 4070 lol
then how much you want a ps5 with lower performance cost? 200?
might as well just go get a job to flip burger and eat it for free
you're my one stop shop for these tests, thank you!
is this real figures
real like yo dad who went on a milk run@@coolmonkey5269
If AMD can at least get the RT performance on par with Nvidia for their next lineup of cards then we'll have a winner. Rasterization performance wise the 7800 and 7900 series are excellent performers.
I think amds next gen cards are only going to be midrange
@@neriedwe'll see, let's not rely on rumors.
@@HypNoTiXz yeah hopefully they make high ends
who cares about ray tracing LOL
@@neried They WERE planning on making a 5090 killer, but decided against it. There will still be regular high-end cards. Stop spreading misinformation.
Cutting those shaders really hurt RT performance of the 7800XT, it looks like
Surprisingly close on CP77 RT Ultra, 7800XT has less than 30fps avg while 4070 has a bit more than 30, but 1% and .1% are about the same on both, frametimes very consistent on 7800XT compared to 4070.
Neither are really playable though.
@@ShinyHelmeton 1440p having 60 fps vsync on + psycho RT + path tracing on on 4070 with r7 7800x3d. (With dlss quality + fg). I would say it’s perfectly playable for single player game
7800XT actually should be 4080 competitor but Nvidia decided to jacked up their prices beyond reasonable levels.
@@maxtrofim5322 If you wanted to play with DLSS, you could've saved some money and bought a cheaper GPU, then play everything with DLSS. I don't care for RT if it butchers performance to the point where I have to use DLSS and frame gen.
@@club4ghzImpressive YT channel history.
Very cold temperature!!! Nice perfomance!!!
Its kinda cool to see AMD have some decent performing gaming cards, competition is back 😍
AMD has consistently smashed Nvidia in the entry level and mid range by a mile for almost a decade. Where have you been? Nvidialand?
@@TheVanillatech stop projecting
@@evilleader1991 Projecting? I haven't bought an Nvidia card since the GTX970. That was the last time Nvidia beat AMD at the entry / mid point. And what happened the week after I spent £330 on a KFA2 970? Thats right - AMD dropped the price of their R9 290 to just £240.
And today, the R9 290 beats not only the GTX780, but the GTX970, GTX780Ti and even the GTX980.
Go figure.
@@TheVanillatech even at high end gpus 7900 XTX > 4080
@@DavidSanR No mate. The 4090 is a faster card by around 25% on average.
BUT IT DOES COST 100% more.
Which means it's absolutely TRASH value for money compared to ... well compared to pretty much every card ever. By a mile.
EDIT :::: MISREAD your post. Yes, the 7900XTX > 4080. For some reason I originally thought you wrote 4090.
The 7800 XT has ray tracing performance that competes with the 4060 Ti and they priced it as such. It's absolutely the best value as of today. Hyper RX and the upcoming FSR3 are really going to send it to the moon❤! I have a 4090 but recognize greatness from AMD when I see it.
I am buying a 7800XT Nitro as we speak. It include Starfield, I don't care about raytracing at large and if used, will pick RT medium setting to increase FPS.
All in all, I am going to get +60% compared to my current EVGA 1080Ti which is going to have a new career in my brother in law PC, replacing a 1060GTX, so he can triple FPS in Microsoft flight simulator, the single game he is playing. Everybody happy, my first AMD card as I switched to AMD for CPU years ago.
@@vinct7023medium in ray tracing sucks bad. Might as well not use ray tracing . Or just do ultra ray tracing with FSR on balanced .
@@vinct7023bruh i getting 4090 for microsoft flight simulator 😅
Thats the whole damn point ... We all wanna see AMD being competitive enough for Nvidia to lower their prices and go with Team Green at the end lol
"UPCOMING", exactly, today DLSS it's game-changer for RTX.
I like that you put the price up so we could see why you're comparing them
Best $500 card 16gb 256bits. A 16gb done right🖒
What does the 256bit bus have to do with anything?
Because the 4060 ti has 16gb, useful for higher resolutions, but it has a 128bit bus, not helpful for higher resolutions/larger asset loading
@@tj3495 you have no idea what you're talking about. A modern GPU will NEVER be limited by its bus width.
Ok
@@tj3495 buss bandwidth is no longer relevant to gaming performance dude, it will only make a difference when working with specialized software which is pretty trash vs AMD whose cards are trash outside of gaming Having a high vram buss is just an unnecessary advertising trick, but for nvidia, the fact that they are equipped with low buss bandwidth is really worth mentioning when their cards are best supported by specialized software, which nvidia What we do here is to give a low amount of vram so that gamers will definitely upgrade to the 5000 or 6000 generation of RTX cards when games use more vram, but for working people, nvidia forces them to buy expensive card models. Instead of buying low-end card models with high vram and large buss with just enough performance for the job, avoid their mistake of RTX 3060 12gb vram
Czech republic: cheapest option:
RTX 4070 - 660 dollars
7800XT - 610 dollars
And RT is "meh" for me. So now, who didnt get 6800/6800XT, it is time to get 7800XT:)
Get the 7800 xt
@@SwingArmCity I have 6800XT, so:)
@smrtihlav2000 oh well keep that, 6800 xt is a great card
RTX 4070 isn't that mind blowing in terms of performance but the low power consumption is just awesome, that's why I went with it, very efficient card.
I know right. That extra 80-100 watts is hard to ignore when it's going to be the difference of my PSU staying in quiet eco mode versus doing its impression of a jet engine. Hmm
Not only the power consumption. Just ordered a 4070FE today because I got tired trying to find faster cards that would still fit into my PC.
@@thisiswaytoocomplicated 7800xt pulse is only 280mm in length, what case do you have?
More people need to talk about this. I don't like Nvidia scamming their customers with the pricing of their cards, but I will give them props for having a very efficient power draw. The extra ~100W power draw on the 7800XT adds up to a lot on your yearly electricity bill in Europe.
@stanum2169 It's the same reason I'm not even close to considering going back to Intel. The way they became competitive again by juicing 160 watt mainstream CPUs. Like wtf. Wrong direction guys!
Wow! Cyberpunk, Starfield, Remnant 2, and Hogwarts Legacy were ALL more than 25% FASTER on the 7800 XT! And it's $100 less than the 4070!
Yeah but sadly enough with Radeons you're stuck with the TAA or - even worse - FSR, while with the RTX 4070 comes the DLSS upscaling which is better / on par with Native and whipes the floor with FSR in terms of visual quality and temporal stability.
Till fsr3 drops later this month...@@otravoyadnoe
@@otravoyadnoeyeah but later on with hyper-rx, FSR will be able to be applied to every DX11 and 12 game.
Dlss is only in a pinch of games
@@otravoyadnoe I have a 4090 and DLSS is close but not on par with native most of the time. You can tell the difference. And in some scenes, there's slight shimmering. It is better than FSR true, but it's not night and day, especially at 4k. I never use it, even when I want to try raytracing. I'm actually to the point where I'm going to return the 4090 for 2 reasons: One, they are still catching fire and I don't want to risk it, and two, t's not worth the $1799 I paid for it. The 7900 XTX is more appealing.. and safer.
@@otravoyadnoesoon fs3 be out it apparently triples performance and hopefully it be on par with dlss 3
The 6800 XT beats 7800 XT in several tests according to gamers nexus benchmarks, Not sure whats going on with Nvidia & AMD lately lol.
monopoly. a 6800xt can get 20 more frames on ultra by overclocking (beating 7800xt). If 7800xt was as good as 6900xt id buy it. maybe I'll buy it if it's a great overlocker like 6800xt is so it can beat 6900xt but I doubt it.
The 7800xt replaces the 6700xt 😂
@@christohees9150 true but me personally I’d rather buy 6900xt for $450 and get free upgrade to 9800xt 4 years early and better ppw then oc the shit out of it and get free 10800xt 6 years early.
Apparently there was something about GN rx 7800xt underperfoming that happened to JayzTwoCents as well. Kind of weird
@hrishantchaudhary8643 yap
Nvidia and amd's gpu's would look so much better if they actually named them what they are for thier specs
RTX means cards developed to work with ray tracing, and as we see by this tests, it perform better when you setup ray tracing. So maybe you have to ask this question to your self, you must learn the specs, because they are exists.
@@bronis_lav He's saying that the 7800 xt is really the 7700 xt and the 4070 is really the 4060 ti.
@@Atheismo9760 Ah, ok, so when NVidia develop that overwhelm users prediction, they must call it 4077 ti ti instead 4070? There was many cases when NVidia released graphic cards that way better than users expected, but no one was crying about the names. I think Nvidia have rights on how they name their products, and this is completly redicilous some one blame them for their rights only in cases when they feel it would bring them some benefits. I doublt if Nvidia would call their card differently it would affect on the price. The lack of brain of users, that is the problem here only. If they do not agreed with they price, they just should not buy something they do not like. I doubt Nvidia will have some issues just because some sissy turned in to cry about Nvidia product.
@@bronis_lavOk boomer
@@bronis_lavI'm not reading this wall of text, but dude, wake up. Nvidia is not your friend. Or your daddy.
Ive bought 7800XT Phantom Gaming. 1.3 KG of pure quality in hands! Card is beast. Factory overclocked +135 Mhz, put lil bit UV for 15 Wats less and Rock n Roll!
Average temperature while playing AAA games for long time?
@@avikjr3205 50 to 61 mine is asrock challenger rx 7800xt dual fan
Same with my gigabyte oc version@@satyamshukla3176
thats light your 7800 xt should weigh in about 2 kg
Rx 7800xt sold out . Perfect gpu
The power consumption is often overlook in most benchmarks. 190w vs 275w, depending on how often you game and the cost of electricity where you're from, that's potentially huge savings overtime.
yes when comparing the 1650 to 3060, the 1650 has lower power consumption so its better and leads to more savings overtime🤡
@@theosclong1201 I don't understand your logic. How is 1650 a valid comparison to 3060?
@@Grstrangler it's not really a comparison but since it has lower power draw and more efficient, i guess its better. that's potentially huge savings overtime.
@@Navi_xoo the performance is not comparable.
Buying Radeon is not silly at all. FSR is fine@@Navi_xoo
This is sick!!!!
Price difference 100$ between rtx 4070 and rx 7800 xt.
Fps is similar but in some games 7800 XT beats it for real, plus having 16 gb vram.
What impresses me the most is the TEMPS. look at those temps, not even 50C sometimes and doesn't even reach 60C.
@@Rico-zq2ej The 7800xt is a 6800xt but with 20-30% less power draw, AV1, slightly better RT, AI cores which will probably show up in the not too far off future in various things and faster vram. RDNA2 has had 3 years of optimizations, RDNA3 is really just getting started, in another year or two the 7800xt will be well ahead.
Power usage
@@Rico-zq2ej 275 w
@@Rico-zq2ejrx 6800 xt $650, rx 7800xt $500. Amd just named wrong the 7800xt.
@@Rico-zq2ejnot garbage at all for the price, it beats every card at the price range in gaming. the increase in power draw isn't enough to make a difference in temps and lower temps is a great thing. also the extra VRAM will be quite usefull in the future. additionally, zip up Nvidia's pants when you are done
1% lows are so much better in cyberpunk, this is really impressive!
ye but with an average of 60w more power draw, which is about a 33 percent increase over nvidia, i gotta give the 4070 a rare dub here
@rover-raid6396 I'll probably buy 7800xt. It's faster, cheaper, and has more vram. 60W of the difference is not that much, especially if you take higher performance under consideration.
@@Tomasz- it’s not faster is the problem tho. The speeds are significantly slower if you watch the graph, but the 4070 drivers and optimization is dog shit so you dont really get to see it shine.
@@rover-raid6396 just undervolt the rx 7800 xt, tests on the internet consistently show that you preserve the same FPS or get even better - or if you draw a really shitty chipset, then you lose a few FPS at most
@@onimusha13 undervolting in general can lead to problems and the second you try any rt you’re gonna lose a lot more than a few fps. Undervolting a little is okay but 60w worth of undervolting just won’t happen
Cyberpunk is wiping floor with these cards with RT on 😂😂😂
RTX 4070 can easily handle RT Settings with superior DLSS Upsampling.
@@heikomcc7287with latency
@@heikomcc7287 nah RT gaming is for 4090 ,dont bother anything below.
i didnt say theyre the only games
It's interesting how Radeon draws like 50% more power at times, but runs significantly cooler.
dual fan vs. triple fan
@@s1p0 it's more than that, extra fan wouldn't handle that much more power
The 7800XT is just the 6800XT cut down some with more transistors. It's always a slightly smaller node shrink and nothing more. Then these companies cut the memory bandwidth down for cost.
Not sure whats interesting about it, just add larger alluminium surface and heatpipes. The red devil is a massive 3 slot triple fan card, shocker that its thermally outperforming the guys stock 4070 on a AMD sponsored video.
Well, we can't really see how fast the fans are running, which is a very important aspect. Also this test is bit wierd when compared to others and seems to favor AMD a tiny bit, maybe? :D It's always better to watch multiple channels.
Excellent tests as usual! May I ask an specific video, showing the same cards, but Overclocked and Undervolted? Like 4070 OCUV vs 7800XT OCUV
There's really no point since every piece of silicon is different. Pick a couple of cards of the same model and you can have completely different results.
The 4070 has no oc headroom...
Too little attention to the fact that the 4070 runs with 130-170W while the 7800XT uses easily 270-280W. Electrical bills aren't free (nor is the environmental impact)
I would love to see how the 7800 xt would run with undervolt
Indeed, thats only reason why i have not bought one already. Currently i have 2060 in my Dan A4 H2O so my main concern is power, thats why im considering 4070 even is much more expensive.
@@martinrisian3420 whats wrong with the power?
@@Ladioz TDP of GPU dumping all that heat into the rad on top of the case, since i have very high ambient temp through out the year. My 2060 sips just around 150W tops and my CPU often got up to 80°C using PBO -30 setting. Getting a 250W GPU would make it even worse.
@@martinrisian3420 I know exactly what you mean. I was stupid enough to buy a 3060 TI GDDR6X around 8 months ago, it was using 230W while gaming. Crazy. It was keeping itself cool at 66 degrees only because it was pumping all its hot air into my cpu cooler. normally my cpu would be around 50-60 degrees while gaming and that gpu made my cpu get as much as 75 degrees since the cooler was pulling in hot air rather than the fresh air from front panel.
it sounds like you have a really hot room. so if you won a 4090 or a 4080 you would probably not use it due to high power ? is that what youre saying?
I would agree with you btw, since i only game at 1080p i wouldnt want those cards
@@martinrisian3420 One more thing. While both the 7700 and 7800 cards are using alot of power, are you also aware about how cool they run? ive seen about 6 realistic benchmarks so far and ive never seen the card get hotter than 65 degrees while gaming. you could say its dumping all its heat into the cooler.... since i have a 5800X3D you can imagine how worried i am about that happening to me and how hot it will get
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison where the 7800XT is underclocked to where it's using about the same amount of power as the 4070.
Same here! I think it is fantastic how NVIDIA can do so much while keeping wattage low'ish.
That would be super interesting
@@idocare6538Someone theorized that Nvidia tried to make Ada power efficient for Bitcoin miners.
I have seen a video where they did exactly that. They undervolted the 7800XT to max 200W consumption. And the rasterization performance was a bit superior in average to the 4070. So essentially the same performance. I do not remember the name of the channel or the video. But I think it had 7800xt 200W in the title.
@@bielsun Why don't you find it and share it with us 4070 owners?
the 7800 looks like a great card, just a little high on the power-draw for my SFF build. Hopefully this pushes the price of the 4070 to the 450-500 price-point. Energy bills + cooling power-hungry cards all summer is adding up.
you can undervolt it to reduce consumption quite a bit without losing performance, or you can like halve its consumption for a small performance penalty (10%). either will make it more acceptable. (you can do that with the 4070 too, just to be clear. my 4080 is using less power than this 4070 and it walks all over it)
@@GraveUypohow?
@@walkemdownandkicktheygranny msi afterburner for the Nvidea cards. Not sure if its the same for the AMD ones
@@mBagginsI'm using amd adrenaline. Hasn't been going over 200 watts I'm all games
Figure out your AMD driver software, there are alot of tuning options, very easy to set and test. And also if you have newest intel or AMD cpu, you can enable "Resizeable BAR" for even more fps!
incredible work man , I really love your content please keep it up and have a good day
Remember when the 3060 Ti was aiming at 1440p gaming? Good ol´ days. Now between this ridiculously demanding new gen of games and all this push for generated frames shenanigans the only future proof cards are the fucking 4090 and 7900 xtx IF that. Holy shit get me back to 2018 please.
No 7900 xtx 👎🏼 100 celsius😅
7800 XT is drawing a lot of power.
Both cards misrepresent what they're pulling in MSI Afterburner. Average power draw differential between 4070 and 7800XT according to Hardware Unboxed was around 60-80 watts, the high end power draw on AMD's side of about 380w total system usage. So expect your total system draw to be around that point, and 4070 closer to 310 than 380. It's a bit, but on the other hand, it's also outperforming it.
those are invalid numbers, they show total system power rather than card power
so if you have a different processors/ cooler etc etc the figures will be different
hardware nexus has the correct numbers
@@ocha-timeI've been testing an asus dual 4070 OC and it never has exceeded 242 watts. They are very efficient cards, just not as very good value to performance.
@@crescentmoon256 considering you called them "hardware nexus" I guess that means you enjoy watching both Gamer's Nexus and Hardware Unboxed :)
@@ofon2000 yes I watch both, my bad I called them hardware nexus 🤣🤣🤣
The gpu power draw difference is pretty big.
Who cares about a few cents in power? Your literally talking about $2 a month - and that's at 10 hours a day.
@@joshbrobud8358 Not everyone live in the US, also it is not just about price, more power creates more heat, i don't know about you but i don't want a heater in the room. So more power -> more heat -> higher RPM on the fans -> louder.
So just simply having a card with less power consumption is going to solve multiple issues at once.
Lol. Just undervolt
@@archadiano ok but you could also under volt the 4070 and still be ahead in the power saving. After 4 to 5 years of heavy use, you've saved a lot of energy.
@@joshbrobud8358 UK elec prices are crazy, after 4 years of use you've paid an extra an 100-ish to run that 7800xt going by your example.
Legit no reason for anyone to buy a 4070 at this point. 7800xt is just the better card and priced much better. Nvidia is also gonna have to reduce the price of the 4070 now. or its gonna be a dead card
7800xt сдувается в 2к разрешении 😂😂😂.
So how much would you save per year with the 4070 since it seems to draw 100watts less and sometime more then 100.
So I bought the 7800xt today, after watching this I'm actually quite excited, especially coming from a 1660S lol
Wow, not fussed about RT but what is up with the 4070 in CP 2077, the 1% Lows of the 7800xt are higher than the the AVG of the 4070??
Was having bad buyers remorse lol, now I hope they hurry up and mail it lol
Have 1660 Ti, which is basically the same. Mind sharing why you decided to upgrade? Debating whether to pick 4070 or Rx 7800xt with a new PSU (I have 600w gold be quiet, so need to change it). Or keep 1660 ti till the day it cannot run the games anymore😅
@@profix4993 hey man, yeah I had to get a new PSU too. I'm not personally fussed on RT, raster is my main concern so I just went for best value.
Both good cards, and if RT were a factor for me it's hard to pass up NVIDIA.
Also I bought as cheap as possible to get back into PC a couple of years ago, intended on upgrading GPU but mining boom and ridiculous pricing meant I had to wait.
@@profix4993600 watt psu is fine if the psu is of decent quality and rating. I run 6800 xt on 650 watt with no problems, but my cpu is power efficient too (5800x3d)
@profix4993 you should get 7800 xt it's better for the money and the software Is much better than nivida and very easy to overclock
RT is a gimmick, it will die off with the PhysiX. RAW power is the priority for me, in that regard AMD is better. 7800XT is wiser and better choice.
RT is not a gimmick, it and path tracing are the most accurate form of lighting without prebaking.
Bro< you even stat energy consumption! What a great guy
why is it always your way while my, even my own rights, never even considered
RTX 4070 = $600
1440p 30fps
RT broke the games and our budgets
The 7800 XT has the upper hand here without ray tracing. But since I dont use ray tracing I dont care about that.
Biggest problem I have with the AMD GPU's is the power consumption. Its just insane.
Undervolt it. I had the RX 6700 XT which TDP was 230w. Just a -8% power control it went to 190w max with about 3% FPS drop. But then again, I play with 60 FPS lock so the average consumption is around 120w :D
@@SirRasor I mean power consumption in idle on desktop. My PC is on all day just watching youtube, in idle the 4070S consumes 5-6 watts, (my old 3060 Ti consumed 10-11 idle), thats a good upgrade on its own. A 7800 XT casually takes 40-80 watt on desktop.
I'm the only one who noticed, but back in the days AMD's 700 series were supposed to compete with Nvidia 70 Series.
RX 5700xt x RTX 4070
RX 6700xt x RTX 3070
Last gen we had the RX 6800XT competing against the RTX 3080. Looking to this sounds like the Amd/Nvidia gap is getting bigger.
Also Wtf? Nvidia prices are getting insane, if the prices continue to go up in 10 years GPUS will cost like a car.
nvidias technology lot better but the pricing is greedy
You just noticed that? obviously the naming is very similar on purpose
All 7800 xt needs some driver updates and personally I don't care about ray tracing in games.
same, never cared about rt
Agree team red
Power consumption for the 7800 xt seems to be stuck at 275w is that OK?
i noticed that too
Afterburner reports false values for power consumption. that's been known for ages now
I feel like there should be a run where you enable FrameGen. Because that’s one of the selling points of the 4000 series.
frame gen arent real frames and increase your input lag. its better to not use the feature unless you really need too.
@@sanitygone-l9y
They are real frames, they are just generated. While it’s true it’ll increase your input lag, it’s negligible when you have a base frame of 60 or more, and instead it will give you a much more smoother experience.
After all, it’s a story game, not a shooter or FPS game. And 20-30ms is really not that noticeable in these games.
The 12GB RAM is often too small for FG. Spiderman, Last of us, Harry Potter, RE4 and so on...
DLSS and FG are just marketing. Works well, but in a very lot of usecases not possible to use
@@user-fh4ul1ry3x then you are not testing under the same visual conditions, it's like running ultra on one card and medium settings on the other
@ThePaze86 I own the 4070 and what you're saying is not true, FG works great and I've had no issues with the VRam at any game, I usually play 1440p ultra and no problems at all
just switched from 1070 to 7800xt ,... raw power is all i need
the 7800XT is $500 MSRP not $550
And the 4070 Average around $650 not 600.
You raise the price of the AMD and lower the price of the 4070. Something wrong here.
huh
Ray Tracing = Make game more shiny, lose at least half your FPS
Nvidia: We can flex that sht
AMD: We will support RT, but not really care about it
Player who play with RT ON have 1 thing in common with players who use 4K monitors - they are the 0.01%
So nobody really gives a fuck
It's a shame you don't have Witcher 3 among these games. For me it's the only game that is worth playing with ray tracing, apart from CP2077 (but with path tracing)
Still, good video, thank you for sharing.
W3 has broken RT to this day. Glitches, weird lightning, broken shadows on daily basis. And the performance is awful all across the cards. I guess CD Projekt Red can not make good RT. Proabably that's why they switched to UE5 for next Witcher.
Maybe cheaper and more power in some games and settings, but the power draw is close to 100w difference does it for me… 4070 is more stable across the table
4:10 the power consumption difference between the two is huge. and rt is where the 4070 shines. i am not an nvidia fan or anything i have both 4070 and 6800xt but we have to give it to nvidia. i lock my in game fps at 60 at 1440p with dlss and fg if available. and the 4070 sits at around 70-110w of consumption. that is laptop level consumption for a higher performance.
If you pick nvidia here and it comes with a 600 dollar price tag, why not just get 6950 XT, pretty sure that would be better than the 4070. I won't give it to Nvidia for losing on a lot of games against a card that is cheaper by 50-100 dollars. But if you're on that minority who picks RT over raw performance then suit yourself. I would just put that excess money and invest on a good PSU.
I'm no Nvidia fanboy but you're going to need a good power supply at the consistent levels the 7800xt is chugging at max settings. I guess you can close off your heat duct in the winter. 🤷♂️
Still impressed by the performance though.
love how people tend to forget its not all about raw power. i have a small room and 4070 is way more suitable for me than a power hungry 6950 xt which will heat my room like no tomorrow.@@ですナオミ
@@felixreithofer It's not my problem you have a small room and can't beat a little bit of heat. Were talking here about people who can afford $600+ gpu but can't deliver money to adjust their room ventilation? Maybe choose your priorities first, fix your room ventilation/move to a larger space then spend on your pc build. You'd be better than someone who sacrifices pc performance so that they can feel a little bit cooler.
lol who shit in ur cereal? all im saying is everyone has different preferences dude.
@@ですナオミ
3:00 - 59 or 79 FPS, irrelevant.
4:05 35 FPS = playable; 27 FPS = unplayable!
8:59 - booth GPUs playable, but a much smoother picture in RTX
Look at the power consumption of AMD RX 7800xt And 4070 :D
Working it all out it only comes to about $13 more for 7800 XT
Bye bye Nvidia, AMD is actually killing you :)
I will never buy Nvidia anymore 'cause I'll never FORGET what you've DONE !
And what about 4070 vs 7700 XT, maybe more fair lol ?
7700xt isn't a good card, and the 7800xt is still cheaper than the 4070
Team AMD assembled
Looks awesome, but this just arrived, in a few months with many updates, probably gives better performance from now to up coming days
@@Rico-zq2ejdid they charge more than 6800xt?
That card was priced at $649 at launch🤡
@@Rico-zq2ejBy your logic intel 13xxx is worse than 12xxx which is worse than 11xxx.... Dumb
@@Itz.joshi_007they are charging $500 for it when it's bearly better than the 4070 without RT, Dlss and FG. Granted the 4070 is $100 more expensive but when you start factoring in dlss, rt and FG it starts to look bad for the 7800xt. The real improvement it has over the 6800xt is rt performance which people who typically buy AMD don't care much about. If it was $100 or $50 cheaper Nvidia would be very worried. They did what Nvidia did and branded the 7800 xt a tier higher. It should've been the 7700xt or 7800 at best
@@Rico-zq2ej dude the difference between 6800xt and 7800xt pricing is 150$ so its a no brainer for new gpu buyers to go for 7800xt
But if someone already has 6800xt then they don't need for an upgrade
Also 16gb 4060ti costs $500 which is in 7800xt range and 7800xt completely destroys it
@@Rico-zq2ej Have you considered that in sponsored games they're just ensuring that the shaders that get the full performance of the card are being used? Because RDNA3 requires wave64 shaders to run at full potential, something that's not going to apply to prior games or games made without them in mind.
The difference in power consumption is gigantic.
en una pagina Fanboys de Nvidia decian que la RX 7800 XT era solo 0.5% superior a la 4070 pero en esto yo veo una pasada de media tremenda jaja xD le gana por encima de 20 fps en muchos juegos eso representa casi un 25% y con RT están casi a la par que locura por 100$ menos vale la pena y con 16gb de vram en lo unico que le gana es en consumo pero no es tan relevante en esta gama para mi
Rtx a la par dices.... en hogwarts legacy la 4070 tiene un 100% más de rendimiento, qué dices jajaja, y en el resto de títulos aprox un 20-25% teniendo en cuenta de que la gráfica efectivamente es menos potente. Imagina si fueran igual de potentes... el menos fanboy de amd sos
@@joaquingarcia3913 en cuales titulos segun tu? Hogwarts legacy en RT van mal todas no solo AMD xD ve comparativas amigo y no es un 25% es un 15% en RT en consumo si que es mejor pero en rasterizado es mucho mejor AMD
180W NVIDIA vs 275W AMD .
Means over 200€ MORE for me in a year. So i choose Nvidia ALL the way. Energy gets even more expensive in 2024.
When you were testing the rtx40i did it have frame generation on or dlss and rtx?
NVIDIA CAN HANDLE RAY TRACING WHILE AMD CAN'T BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT FSR BEATS DLSS
Sapphire RX 7800 XT Nitro+ bought already! Can't wait to play in Starfield on this videocard :3
how did it go i want to buy same card nitro+
7800XT is looking way better. I would get it instead of my 4070.
RX 7800XT does very well indeed against the $100 more expensive RTX 4070
Agreed. But it also consumes 100W more, so it might become more expensive on the long run.
@@JoaoPereira-jo7jv Call me weird, but I'm actually glad for the extra 100w during the winter period for the additional heat
Not really. It's basically the same GPU as the 6800 XT but released 3 years later 💀
@@JoaoPereira-jo7jvhow much one unit or 1000 watt cost in your country
@@Pawcio2115 AMD just followed what Nvidia did with a lot of the 40 series cards.
Did you turn on Frame Gen in both cards?
conclusion:
if you pay your electric bill, get rtx4070
if you rent a room dont need to pay for eletric bill, get rx7800xt
4070 runs at half less power consumption while only 3-10 fps behind. It's a win for Nvidia here.
Why are 7800xt's temps so low?
They've made these cards extremely power efficient in most cases it has like 50-90W difference in power intake
In this test, a very good version of the 7800 xt was used, check description under the video.
7800 XT wins! But its power consumption is so so.
just wait until next year and you will get the 7850XT and that will be the king of 1440p budget builds!
With that weak ray tracing? No chance! Only in eSporting.
@@commandantee People really dont care about ray tracing look at the sells of the 7800xt!
RX is around 15% faster AND 10% cheaper if you play in true resolution (without dlss/fsr) and if you dont touch raytracing. If you do, then its the other way around. So you should choose based on how you gonna play your games most of the time.
PS5 Pro is gonna be around that RX 7800 XT lvl of performance. Which is kind of cool since true 4k and 60 fps is gonna be the best way to play. So the price for PS5 Pro is gonna be 649$-699$ for disc version.
I'm amazed how the 4070 performs for only using 180 watts
Should have made it use a little more and at least top the 3080 in performance. Nobody was asking for 180w
@@D_8KEN whos nobody, you have 3080 performace if you overclock it and with less wattage and coil whine
@@Adrian-tl5ue should be well over a 3080 in performance though. Huge jump in price for a 70 series card, and doesn’t even top the previous card above it. Nvidia are screwing the consumer twice over. But don’t worry… they’re kind enough to let us save £10 a year on energy bills.
@@D_8KEN yes youre right! If the prices dropped to 300-400$ i wouldn't say a thing for this low
somehow has higher temps too. Hogwarts Legacy 7800 xt was at 280W and somehow at an icy 51C while the 4070 was around 60C for 180W.
I hope AMD can price these cards more competitively in the future. The 7800XT should be noticeably cheaper than the 4070, but it’s a similar price here in Australia. Same thing happened with the 7900XTX, which was priced the same as a 4080, so I just bought the 4080.
If amd didnt exist trust me that nvidia card would be much more expensive.
RTX 4080 having same price as the RX 7900XTX but still getting the 4080 like, dude, what the..? 🤣
@@Striderlywhat's so funny?
Why go for a xtx if a 4080 is the same price? Lol
In many of these games, the 1% lows of the 7800 XT beat the avg FPS of the 4070. Why should it be cheaper? Same price is reasonable, though the MSRP for the 7800 XT still is a lot lower.
Nvidia had many years of no serious competiton at all, and those years got us the 1080ti amongst others.@@osmksf
I'm in South Africa so pricing is all over, so between Sapphire nitro+ RX 7800xt for $706 or Palit jetstream RTX 4070 for $720 which one will you go for. 1080p with I7 12700, AAA games
We not gonna talk about the 48 degrees on forza on the 7800xt, just how
Just so you know, the AMD card uses almost 80 watts of power more than the NVIDIA one, so it's not really worth it for 20 fps when it also performs worse when having ray tracing set on
My 4070 is getting rekt. 😂
Grats team RED. ✌️
The only reason I would go with amd is the 16gb of vram. The price is to close and no NVIDIA card (besides of the almighty 4090) should be use without dlss Q. You pay the premium because of that.
I think the 7800 xt is the better buy unless you have specific needs like, you are limited by your case or you need cuda for your work. Lower tdp is fine but it isnt enough. Also the promo Starfield code worth something.
CUDA over 10-15 fps gain lol, no brainer. Much less power draw too? Ah hell, what's an AMD?
@@fdevaa Agreed. Anyone working with CUDA really doesn't have much of a choice between the two here. ROCm is still horrible and lacks support.
@@fdevaa in my country 4070's worst models cost 100$ more than 7800xt's best models, I wont pay 100$ more for less performance and some features I wont even use
clear win? Can it also compete with DLSS or AMD HYPR-RX?
I Really wanna updrade to the 7800xt but the power usage is too high i might even have to buy a psu for that matter or should i buy 4070? coz the psu that im using right now has only 600w. Also for my gpu and processor i use a 3060 and a ryzen 7 7700x. Need help
I'd recommend getting an 850W PSU
It would be the most worthwhile investment because, eventually, you'll need more wattage for upgrading in the future, anyway. Only makes sense.
After that, I'd go for the 7800 XT. I picked one up a few weeks ago and the performance is great - RT performance is also pretty good imo. 16GBs of VRAM on a 256 bit-bus with that performance for ~$500 just can't be beaten. Highly recommended
10% faster, but 100 watts more eats. The money that you save on buying a video card will go to pay for electricity.
AMD did great!
Even RT performance is not so bad
With RT, dlss 3.5 and FG, AMD is doing very badly especially as there is very little improvement over the 6800xt
@@Rico-zq2ejand the MSRP is at the 6700xt MSRP LOL
If you got a 500$ 6700xt the 7800xt gets you 6800xt perf + 10%
@@mohyari3075 Nvidia GPU should use dlss to win Radeon that even cheaper? Double win for AMD
@@Rico-zq2ej you mean non-rt games?
@@Rico-zq2ejthat dude just like apple fan boy, blind and stupid
Depending on game, these "FEEL" pretty close to each other. In my country the RX 7800 XT is a little cheaper, but seeing the EXTRA 80-90W usage on the RX 7800 XT in this video, it may get "more expensive" in the end (long term extra electricity usage).
This extra G.PWR, combined with my previous bad experience with Radeon cards (20 years ago, but stuck with me obviously), I would never buy anything else but Nvidia. I am not going to argue with anyone which is better, not my point, just my 30+ gaming experience did LEAD me to Nvidia as the "for me" safer choice :)
With undervolt my 7800xt eats 230w in stress test.
@@Assassin2928 I wish I was adventurous enough to play around with the settings... but I am a noob 😂😅
Definitely amd is not for ray tracing but it gives us better fps in native
10% difference actually only with raytracing. 14% at ultra in cyberbug that is optimized for nvidia.
@@notenjoying666 yeah and amd is cheaper than Nvidia
Damn the comparison is so confusing, either you want above 10 to 15 more frames with cooler graphics card, or want to save 80 to 100 watts on nvidia as compared to amd using more power. Both have their perks.
AMD just saved me from 4070 purchase that I was saving for 🙃
the power draw and over all speeds are worse tho. I love amd but i think the 4070 squeaks out a dub here
@@rover-raid6396 your shoes clearly have velcro
@@rover-raid6396 power draw ain't a big deal for me
@@rover-raid6396 An extra 100 USD for less performance, unless youre keen on cutting yours in half with RT
@@justeddm I mean it also just has slower speeds and less raw power, so it would be worse for anything software related. But it’s still a good card so idk
7800 ХТ faster by 20%; 100% GPU load in games with the same processor; The TDP is higher, but the temperature is 10° lower, the frametime graph is much more stable. This is the best video card for playing 4k on ultra, albeit without rays. But when will it come out fsr 3, then maybe everything will change
Can it really handle 4k i mean no problem at all? Which is a better card 4070 7800xt?
@@Navi_xoo Thank you i guess i will stick with 7800xt for 16gb.
Much greater power efficiency, much better RT performance and has DLSS 3.5 which objectively looks better than FSR. The fact that a card as powerful as the 4070 has a 200W TDP is just crazy.
it's a great card, except for the price
much lower vram count, lower performance, 20% more expensive
You pay 20% more for 10% less performance and 4 less gb of vram
4070 ain't that powerful of a card as compared to what 3070 offered in terms of being a 70 class card so of course it has lower power draw
sad that most people will still rather buy an RTX card due to blind brand loyalty
Thanks for this :) I notice in Starfield that the 4070's ram is quite a bit lower than the 7900, which makes me wonder if a driver optimisation to do more preload would not help it in the future.... if Nvidia have time of course with all the cash from AI they have to have a bath in.
Problem with starfield is they didn’t even bother with dlss in the game and modders had to fix it 😂😂
@@zomg346 why would they care about DLSS when Nvidia invested almost nothing it to its game ready driver team. Considering how 'unbuggy' it is for one of there games at launch i am supprised.
@@zomg346 they partnered with AMD that's why they didn't even bother. That's the greedy side on Bethesda.
@@smudg39 yep I figured as much my 4060 gets 80 fps in cyberpunk with raytracing and starfield can barely manage 40 fps without the dlss mod,with it it’s stable 60 outside and 80 inside
thats not only in starfield. Nvidia Cards using less VRAM in Games. it a Range from 1 to 1,5 GB sometimes. Maybe a Driver thing, how AMD handles the Vram.
Which one to buy for hardcore gaming also please suggest cpu for this
Motherboard too!
Thanks
RX 7800 XT ofc
Interesting to see how much Nvidia optimizes for Ray Tracing. That and DLSS being (imo) the superior upscaler are what is selling me on going Nvidia over AMD
"Nvidia optimizes for Ray Tracing"?
- You'll find that for many 'Nvidia sponsored' titles, the following pseudo code will tick that off...
If AMD_GPU_Detected execute Deliberate_Slowdown_HeHeHe
All of these tricks suck. Look at 8:43 how the sign draws in. Looks so bad. I just got a 4070 and while I am happy with the FPS I am missing my RX 580s color production and sharpness on more distant objects.
It is not really getting 15% more FPS if you are only drawing 80% of the frame.
@@PhillipJermakian It's ingame motionblur. The sign appears sharp alternately on both maps. But the whole scene has more sunlight on Nvidia.
@@ChrisM541rt cores left chat bruh...
@@EnsaladaXD_ lol
i hope they add raytracing in every game from now on without the chance to turn it off would love to see amd fanboys get mad over their missing fps
What a weird mindset, i think it's way easier to admit that amd is better for most people.
Do you use userbenchmark by any chance?
100w power savings on 4070 with better RT and far superior DLSS/Frame Gen. I would go with Nvidia on this one.
Yes, but the 4070 costs $100 more than the RX 7800XT. The $500 comparison is with the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, and no-one with a brain should buy that thing!
@@ShinyHelmet You'll save far more than $100 in electricity over the lifetime of the card. Can use a lower quality PSU as well, so that is automatic savings. $100 to enjoy a far higher quality upscaler and frame generation today is worth it.
@@TalonsTech Depends how long you keep the card for, and what your electricity prices are, and how long 12GB of VRAM will be enough....
100W won't difference for me, because i need like 5 years, make this difference
@@TalonsTech why do gamers use the electricity argument lmao, it's a decent metric to see how more efficient one arquitecture is from another, but in real use scenario it will not have an impact even in germany, you need to run a 4090 and 13900K non stop at 100% for a whole year to notice an actual difference in electricity bill, you wont notice a 80W difference that its only there when you are gaming for a few hours
do you use a waterblock for your gpu or is that the card cooling itself? thinking of upgrading to 4070 or 7800xt same price in my country
in this test the 4070 is running way above stock frequencies and the 7800xt still has overclocking headroom. and you're never going to find a 4070 that performs this well for msrp. this entire video is very sus.
Interesting gpu especially for the raster, the problem of consumption remains, they are really high compared to the 4070, let's see the street price, I expect at least 100/150 euros less than the 4070
In our rowing country, in terms of euros, 4070 costs ~ 700 euros, and 4070 Ti ~ 990 euros, so rejoice
@@sxuvxge in my country, italy, the 4070 is street priced at 600 euros ( palit version ) and the RX 7800 XT always around 550 euros
Is the rtx feature really worth it?? I am planning to build a pc but not sure which one to choose
7800XT, RT sucks
If you are NOT able to purchase the flagship GPUs right now (e.g. 4090), I do not recommend focusing on Ray Tracing. RT murders performance on most of the GPUs and very few games have it implemented in them.
And thus, AMD beats NVIDIA in terms of raw power and price.
4070 used 50% of the watts 7800 does, so less electric bill to 😮 at almost same performance
33% but ye
The story is as expected. AMD wins in pure dollar for FPS but falls short when RT is enabled. AMD also uses about 50% more power to achieve this result.
So which one to buy? I don't know... it depends what you care about...
You forget the 16 vs 12 gb of VRAM.
Also at this point AMD cares more for their customers than Nvidia.
2:17 114w different lol
Undervolt
Both are the best cards for me.
İn a dekstop i would use 7800xt
In laptop 4070
but RTX has dlss whic can boost your FPS by two times
FSR isnt that good but still a good choice
4070 draws 100 watt less power it seems to be a good card if it starts with 500$
But it's not $500, it's $600. If it were $500 then only the most hardcore AMD fanboy would touch the RX 7800XT.
@@ShinyHelmet even if its 550 id would be such a great card
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@@saease thanks