The beauty of competition. In the end it's us the consumers that win.. I just grabbed myself a Ryzen 7 5700X for $199 last week! Absolutely insane price. It will drop in upgrade to replace my Ryzen 5 3600.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now going rate for the 3600 seems to be about 90 - $100. I think he will be very happy with that drop in upgrade at that price. Myself I found the 5600 for $129 (now 139) to replace my r5-1600. Gotta love steep discounts on older stuff when new comes out. :D Especially since any of these chips hold up just fine unless you also have a 3090+
Wow. Did not expect such an uplift for the 13600k. Maybe the extra cache helps the 13 over 12 gen. Hyped for 13gen vs zen4 3D in gaming. Thanks for the effort of testing!
It looks like the additional L2 cache and frequency bump did the trick. Architecture-wise, it's basically the same. Impressive given that they're on the same 10nm node.
I really like them too. They give a more down to earth friendly type of vibe. There is absolutely no bias with them either and you can see it through other reviewers. I found their channel last year and have pretty much watched all the content :)
I feel nostalgic about this video. I started watching your videos after I build my first pc with 6700k. Now I’m ready to build a new system with 13600k 🔥
I have been watching a lot Intel 13th gen cpu reviews from mainstream pc vloggers but your delivery is on a different level, concise, clear and very informative. I love even the suggestions on how to save money for this 13th gen system. Techdeals i love this channel.
Try Gamers Nexus their reviews are made with some of the best methodology going. I tested a 13600kf with DDR4 & 5, generally they performed within 1-2% of each other (games @1440p with 4070Ti) there are games which favour one or the other and overall DDR5 is slightly faster but I doubt you could tell one from the other. Great CPU drop the voltage and get 5.5GHz and it rarely hits 60°C while gaming (280mm AIO) in a case with good airflow. Some productivity tasks will get more benefit from DDR5. Use with a contact frame for best temps.
This makes me really excited for the future of Intel CPUs. I’m on 11th gen so it still feels too early to upgrade but I have hope they’ll keep these types of improvements for 14th and 15th gen and get AMD to do the same.
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
THIS is how you do a review! I like the fact you show us what is recommended etc. Nothing to crazy of a price. But, value, the way it should be for the PC market.
Glad I didn't pre order the 13700k, looks like the 13600k will do just fine. Upgrading from the i5 6600k, and can bring over my 32GB of DDR4 from 7ish years ago.
I like how fair you are in reviews! Great review by the way. This performance justifies me waiting for 14th gen. Seeing this performance I can’t wait to see what intel 7nm will be like.
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
Really impressed by how much useful info you can cram into these videos, Mr. Deals. The video is long, but every detail is carefully chosen. Great stuff, very helpful!
I love the family dynamic in the bloopers XD . I grabbed a 13600k already! Thanks for the recommendation. I did your z690 ddr4 recommendation and have been very pleased. Windows 11 isn't bad! Keep up the great testing/reviewing your channel has always done!
It would've been nice to include the 5800X3D in this review vs 13th gen, especially for the 1% lows comparisons, but I appreciate all the info. The power consumption of course is also noticeable, and a nice DDR4 RAM vs DDR5 gaming performance.
the 5800x3d doesn't in any way compete with the 13700k when they cost about the same. the single core performance is very similar but the multicore performance is outright won by the 13700k.
Shout out to Tech Deals: -Raptor Lake launch day review, in the middle of the biggest launch season in recent history. -Typefaces bigger and easier to read than any other reviewer. THANK YOU. -Review feels well-scripted, without giving the feeling that the conclusion was written before the tests were run. I know you’re from Texas, so I look to others to hear about efficiency. 😂
Ha! Yes, I am from Texas, it's "good enough" as far as I'm concerned :) We were honestly a bit shocked by the performance, the 12600K was nice, but it wasn't a clear knockout, who knew what this would add. It might just be "a bit better" and thus be boring, Intel has done it before. Thank you for the shout out, the notice is appreciated...
Great video! I think the 13600 is the star of this generation. Faster single core than ryzen, Enough multicore performance to go around, doesn’t have the stupid high power consumption of intels other stuff, is affordable with ddr4 options. If I was building a new (reasonably priced) gaming machine I would seriously consider this cpu. I feel like zen4 6 and 8 core offerings are too expensive for what they offer. And budget builders should seriously look at the $139 ryzen 5600.
Something that I keep seeing said that isn't true, you don't need Windows 11 for 12th and 13th gen Intel CPU's. Windows 10s scheduler can tell the difference between CPU targets of different processing capability and schedule threads appropriately. Windows 10 will know that a P core has more capacity then an E core, and will schedule heavier workloads on the P core. If anything Windows 10 tends to prefer the P cores over the E cores and will only put stuff on them when the P cores already have stuff running. What Windows 10 doesn't really understand is energy usage, it would rather an idle P core to run your browser then assign it to an idle E core. Windows 11 can understand power usage and will instead assign tasks it deems not important to the E cores and leave as many P cores idle as possible to conserve power. The Process Lasso program lets sidestep all this and create your own profiles that assigns programs to the cores you specify. In windows 10 I have process lasso running all my browsers and discord on my E-cores leaving the P cores free for everything else.
Since Alderlake we all knew AMD couldn't compete with the I5 and I7 from intel going forward. I just don't know why they made the 7600X $300 and 7700X $400 when they knew it couldn't compete, and their sales are suffering because of it. Both CPUs need atleast a $50 price cut.
Great review Tech, thanks. Now I see your point with 6 cores not enough. It seems like 6 cores are really done in few years frame time, speaking ofc for 1080p 144hz and 90hz 1440p. I'm pretty sad you didn't test it for 1440p (however I do understand an amount of time needed for that + probably most of users are 1080p anyway, nor to speak about bottlenecks in 1440p testing), but hopefully HU will do. Keep a good work up, be healthy.
The numbers will compress a bit at 1440p, however the idea is to show you what the 4090 would do at 1440p, or the 5090 at 4K. It's testing CPU performance. Do you want 10 charts that look like Tiny Tina's? What's the point?
1440p turns into a gpu test rather quickly. Even at 1080p there were a handful of games that were still gpu bottlenecked, most notably tiny tina’s wonderland
1440p is the “real use” test for me. I saw a lot of test that they all bunch up at 1440p/4k. From i9 to i5, all give the same performance. So for a gaming PC one could save money by not buying the i9.
@@Euruzilys What the i9 buys you is future and reserve performance... it allows you to keep your PC another year or two beyond the i5 without replacing it all.
Great Vid as always, Thanks Tech. My 13600k scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Pairing it with Msi Gaming Trio 12gb i also got yesterday, under 800 after tax with rebate and spiderman. Going from I7 8086k and 1080ti built 2018 summer. Was the GPU a decent buy?
I was skeptical when intel was talking about 'frame consistency', but it appears like they somehow managed. Throughout just about every game (except tiny tina), I managed to see less frametime wobble, which should result in more consistent framerate. It hurt me seeing zen4 tie with 12th gen most of the time, looking like it's a whole generation newer then whatever ryzen was showing.
Well AMD got taken behind the bike shed this time around. Even If they reduced the cost of the CPU's and Motherboards by 50%. Given that prices for DDR5 ram is at least double DDR4, then the NEW Intel CPU's are the new budget king BUT they are also much faster too boot. That being said IF you can afford a New Ryzen system it does not mean you should not it just means that you have choices which is great for us consumers. Oh and I do love the blooper reel!!!
must agree. i jumped from 5800X to 13600KF, huge huge difference. i bought Z690aorus elite and DDR4 . rly sweet upgrade to my 3090. after years of great ryzen cpu`s i decide to try intel thanks to this reviews. great temps and no spikes like my last amd.p.s. and main reason was that AM4 borads dnt have 4 pcx m.2, intel Z690 have, so there was not way to upgrade only board.
Great review. Looks like the 13600k is really the way to go. Iam wondering however if you go with a cheaper z690 board won't that require some sort of bios upgrade first to make it compatible? Or will these boards be shipped with an adequate bios from now on?
Not really. You gotta keep in mind the AM5 platform will last for more one or two future generations. Future models like 7800X3D and 8800X3D will certainly crush anything we have today. Ofc there is always a chance AMD decides to extend compatibility and lauch the future 9800X3D on AM5 as well.
I love your new detailed videos, you give the best most studied advice in tech, you always talk about years of experience behind your recommendations and the way that you give the information makes it so easy to digest, thank you for this amazing video
Great review. Hopefully the new vga series from Amd will be more competetive, at least in price, but with this worldwide inflation, I'm doubtful. Would have love to see some cooling, temperature comparisons also.
You recommend people buy DDR4 RAM with their 13600k, but you show us the performance with GREAT (and very expensive) DDR5. Did you get to try the 13600k with DDR4 at all? I'm looking to build a new system in the coming months and I don't want to leave too much performance on the table.
It is a 1-2% difference with a 30 series card. Where it matters is 4090, but you shouldn't put that on a i5 system :) I wouldn't suggest it if it were a concern, we will do a follow up video showing it, but I'm comfortable with the advice now.
Tech! What would you do if you were me? I have a Z590 board with a 10850k, 32gb RAM, and a 3070. I am wanting to upgrade - should I go with a 13700k (on sale for $380 at microcenter) or skip LGA 1700 altogether and wait for the next generation?. Thanks!
if the 13600 drops price to USD170 by the next 2 years, I'll take this over the 7600X. would be an amazing upgrade to my ryzen 5600 that i bought 1 month ago
Great video!, actually I have an i5 12400f with a rtx 4080, mostly play at 3440x1440 and some 4k60, Do you believe that I need to upgrade to 13600k or maybe wait for 15th gen?
And now I'm glad that I did not upgrade to Zen 3. I am skipping this year entirely, and hopefully next year too, so I can upgrade to Zen 6 or 15th gen in a whole new system. Nice seeing Intel being truly competitive and innovative again. But the best part of the video? Tech Deals and Son being silly.
Woah 13600k looks like a STEAL value wise, amazing. What would be your recommended GPU for 1080p gaming e sports title maintaining above 165fps at all times. Thanks!
great video and explaination as usual, great job I have suggesstion , maybe in the future, you can put another information about power draw so we can see another deals about performance per watt thanks
Great video as always I have a question windows loads up default on one core and the other cores are for multi tasking in msconfig you can loads windows on all cores will this help gaming performance as it uses single core for performance
I absolutely love your Channel I have since you started it and what I really like is you make it interesting and you don't have a voice that drones on and on and on you have inflection you have personality un-like Gamers Nexus which I do like his channel it's just so hard to get through an entire video
Hopefully AMD makes some smart moves to counter intel because right now they're failing to compete on the pricing front. I've currently got a 5600x in my system. I'll probably wait and see if AMD comes out with an x3d option this generation but it's looking like AMD really shot itself in the foot with the cost of upgrading the entire platform.
Raptor Lake is impressive. I'd love to see a 13600K/13700K vs 5800X3D comparison @DDR4 3600 CL16 in gaming. Could be interesting to see what the deal is considering additional costs for cooling and power consumption as you can cool the 5800X3D with literally anything and you recommend an AIO for the 13600K. I don't expect Zen4 3D to be cheap - I expect it to give Raptor Lake what you call "an old fashioned butt whooping" and we probably have to pay for that. Ultra high end was never the reason for me to watch your videos. It was always about price/performance and I think this is what made you stand out from other channels. With ridiculous high ernergy prices in Europe and prices in general due to inflation, $/€ etc it`s more important than ever and I startet to look at performance/W more than just acquisition cost. Greetings from Germany
Tech, I know this is not what the video is about but, im looking to buy the 14900k but the power draw is absurd imo. Should I care about it or just accept it and but it? If its compared to the 7950x3d its a mini arc reactor. What to do?
Well, the 13th gen makes things different. I was looking at Zen-4 to replace my recently deceased 4790 system. I really wanted AMD to pull through. But aside from the generally higher price of the platform, M.2 SATA ports are very few a very far between. In the $200-$300 price range (Newegg), there are only two boards that have M.2 SATA. I realize that M.2 SATA might be on the way out given the price/perf of NVME. But I would be shocked if there weren't loads of people (like me) that have perfectly fine M.2 SATA drives they would like to continue using.
@@AndrewTSq While most M.2 slots are indeed NVME, there are M.2 slots designed for SATA drives. If you check any Asus Z690 MB, there will be at least 1 M.2 slot that can support either NVME or SATA. I would be surprised if other brands weren't the same regarding Z690 M.2 SATA support. But, I only checked Asus.
Great review. I went the 7600x with my new build due to AM5 being around for 2-4 more generations. It was only $200 more than an Intel build but I only need to drop in a new processor down the road, not a whole new system.
Honestly I'm more interested in the performance of the budget cpus so this is more interesting to me than the 13900k. Though if/when the 13700k results come out, if intel adds even more e cores to the 14600k, I wonder at what point the difference in p cores will start to matter less. Laptops already had 6+8 configuration previously. Another question is if the new 13500 and 13400 will undercut the 13600k, though in practice. If they launch for 250 or 200 then it might actually be quite interesting. Supposedly the i3 range is just going to be an alder lake refresh though, not entirely sure how or why but.
Motherboard comparison between b650 and b660 would be interesting as well. Amd "could" pull a 7600 or 7500 situation again (or just straight up lower the price of the 7600x) but eh. DDR4 vs DDR5 is a thing as well, we're assuming either DDR5 has a reasonable price and/or that ddr4 doesnt have a large enough decrease in performance. Presumably once 14th gen comes out it wont matter since both intel and amd will be on ddr5 by then and theoretically the price and performance would have improved.
What im really curious is. It has been a year so maybe someone has done a video on alder lake behavior, but from what I understand is that the pc usually tries to load up all the p cores first. But of course in real world usage you have multiple programs open at once so.
It's not just the price of those chips. It's the value that the platform brings with it. LGA1700 is a dead end whilst AM5 is just starting to stretch its legs.
As someone who is looking to build a new PC this year, what I take away from this is the 13th gen i5 is all I really need for 1440p gaming. Doesn't look like I need an i7 or i9.
So is intel good for Lightroom and photoshop workloads? My current 3600x 32gb, 1650 gtx is struggling on windows 10 with pci4.0 nvme drives. I was going to upgrade to the 3900x and windows 11. Thoughts?
@@TechDeals If I missed it, my bad. But unless I am wrong, you just mention the temps and power are fine in the tech analisis near the end. There is no real stress test done, or charts. I mean, sure, you can see decent temperatures and power consumption while playing, but that is rarely the problem. When you render for a long time, how are those temps and power usage? The 13900k does very poorly in those scenarios, that's why I was wondering. I am sure the 13600K does much better, but is still worth knowing. Having said that, I have no doubt that recomenting the 13600K over the 7600X is a no brainer in almost all cases. The 13600K is arguably the best all around CPU on the market atm.
I’m just trying to figure out which CPU would pair well with a 4090 for 4K gaming. Would a 7600x be fine or would I see tangible improvements in 13600k?
How many cores, could a E-Core be, if a E-core could be cores?
You sir, win the Internets for today!
Lol that was awesome
AMD Fanboy Shit
0.5, give or take.
Just the name, nothing else needed, wins it! :D
The beauty of competition. In the end it's us the consumers that win.. I just grabbed myself a Ryzen 7 5700X for $199 last week! Absolutely insane price. It will drop in upgrade to replace my Ryzen 5 3600.
Absolute waste of money. I have 3600 as well and planning replace it with Zen 5 CPU in two years.
@@SK1PP3R88 for $199 no it's not.
@@SIW808 wondering what you can sell your older CPU for? I'm guessing you'll get a significant amount of that 199 back.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now going rate for the 3600 seems to be about 90 - $100. I think he will be very happy with that drop in upgrade at that price. Myself I found the 5600 for $129 (now 139) to replace my r5-1600. Gotta love steep discounts on older stuff when new comes out. :D Especially since any of these chips hold up just fine unless you also have a 3090+
@@SK1PP3R88 source?
Wow. Did not expect such an uplift for the 13600k. Maybe the extra cache helps the 13 over 12 gen. Hyped for 13gen vs zen4 3D in gaming. Thanks for the effort of testing!
You and me both!
It looks like the additional L2 cache and frequency bump did the trick. Architecture-wise, it's basically the same. Impressive given that they're on the same 10nm node.
@@TechDealswhat's the difference in using a 13600k with ddr4 vs ddr5 in gaming
@@TechDeals So the 13600k draws 70-80 watts more than the 7600X?
Uhh 5800X3D. Yeah, it's the Cache
Long live Tech Deals! I so enjoy your videos, no gimmicks, no bullshit, straight to the point. 😍
Wow, thank you!
I really like them too. They give a more down to earth friendly type of vibe. There is absolutely no bias with them either and you can see it through other reviewers. I found their channel last year and have pretty much watched all the content :)
I would buy the 5700x wait 3 years get zen 5
I feel nostalgic about this video. I started watching your videos after I build my first pc with 6700k. Now I’m ready to build a new system with 13600k 🔥
Aww, thanks for being a long time viewer! The 13600K will be a WOW Upgrade for you!
I have been watching a lot Intel 13th gen cpu reviews from mainstream pc vloggers but your delivery is on a different level, concise, clear and very informative. I love even the suggestions on how to save money for this 13th gen system. Techdeals i love this channel.
I appreciate that!
It's hard to not agree.
Try Gamers Nexus their reviews are made with some of the best methodology going. I tested a 13600kf with DDR4 & 5, generally they performed within 1-2% of each other (games @1440p with 4070Ti) there are games which favour one or the other and overall DDR5 is slightly faster but I doubt you could tell one from the other. Great CPU drop the voltage and get 5.5GHz and it rarely hits 60°C while gaming (280mm AIO) in a case with good airflow. Some productivity tasks will get more benefit from DDR5. Use with a contact frame for best temps.
This makes me really excited for the future of Intel CPUs. I’m on 11th gen so it still feels too early to upgrade but I have hope they’ll keep these types of improvements for 14th and 15th gen and get AMD to do the same.
Yes, 10.1 (11th) GEN was a killer generationzz
I’m still on 4th gen. I feel like I pick the best time to feel the need for an upgrade lol.
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
@@Euruzilys i7 4790k user here.
Well AMD was dominating for quite some time and it is nice to see that Intel is coming back , competition will benefit us greatly .
THIS is how you do a review! I like the fact you show us what is recommended etc. Nothing to crazy of a price. But, value, the way it should be for the PC market.
You're very welcome, thanks for watching it!
What a beast!
For the last 4years was building only ryzen and xeon builds
But now i will be saving for this gen intel!!
Glad I didn't pre order the 13700k, looks like the 13600k will do just fine. Upgrading from the i5 6600k, and can bring over my 32GB of DDR4 from 7ish years ago.
That will be a BEAST Level Upgrade!
With DDR4 it will be a lot slower. In this case I would choose an R5 5800X 3D.
This is why I have no brand loyalty....Thank God the competition has brought the best out of everything for us.
I like how fair you are in reviews! Great review by the way. This performance justifies me waiting for 14th gen. Seeing this performance I can’t wait to see what intel 7nm will be like.
Thank you so much! :)
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
Already the 12600k was competitive with the 7600x, so no wonder the 13600k just crushes it!
Really impressed by how much useful info you can cram into these videos, Mr. Deals. The video is long, but every detail is carefully chosen. Great stuff, very helpful!
Wow, thanks!
This was a pleasure to watch. No unnecessary distracting effects, nor segues, just pure info. Instant sub! 👍👍
I just remembered your channel from when you started years ago! Glad you're still uploading and wow almost 500k subs awesome!
Been looking forward to your review of the 13600k! Your attention to detail and practical real world advice is second to none. Thank you
I love the family dynamic in the bloopers XD . I grabbed a 13600k already! Thanks for the recommendation. I did your z690 ddr4 recommendation and have been very pleased. Windows 11 isn't bad! Keep up the great testing/reviewing your channel has always done!
It would've been nice to include the 5800X3D in this review vs 13th gen, especially for the 1% lows comparisons, but I appreciate all the info. The power consumption of course is also noticeable, and a nice DDR4 RAM vs DDR5 gaming performance.
the 5800x3d doesn't in any way compete with the 13700k when they cost about the same. the single core performance is very similar but the multicore performance is outright won by the 13700k.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62 this is 13600k..and the card has nothing to be compared with 13600k
And 7700X. ;)
@@tilapiadave3234 do you own one? Lol
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62
5800X 3D is a gaming beast for those, who already have an AM4 MOBO. ;)
Shout out to Tech Deals:
-Raptor Lake launch day review, in the middle of the biggest launch season in recent history.
-Typefaces bigger and easier to read than any other reviewer. THANK YOU.
-Review feels well-scripted, without giving the feeling that the conclusion was written before the tests were run.
I know you’re from Texas, so I look to others to hear about efficiency. 😂
Ha! Yes, I am from Texas, it's "good enough" as far as I'm concerned :)
We were honestly a bit shocked by the performance, the 12600K was nice, but it wasn't a clear knockout, who knew what this would add. It might just be "a bit better" and thus be boring, Intel has done it before.
Thank you for the shout out, the notice is appreciated...
Not to mention the i5-13600K has a good encoder too if those who stream or use anything with the igpu. Thanks for the video Tech Deals.
Good to see something so good coming from intel, feels like it's been a while
Upgraded to the i7-12700f + ASUS H670-Plus-D4 in the Spring with an existing MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z. Life is Good.
Looking forward to picking this up nice upgrade from my 7700k
Same! I want to compare 13600k vs 13700k first, and then see what the RAM sweet spot is for 13th gen.
Hope you enjoy it!
Im on a 8700k so I think im gonna wait for 14th gen but congrats to you!
@@rymndv_ I’m on 8700k too & looking to upgrade now. We’ve waited long enough.
@@mikeramos91 I'm also on a 8700k with a 3080, I really think we are due an upgrade lol.
I'm currently running 8700k. Will definitely upgrade to 13600k. Thank you so much for making my life easier Tech Deals.
I have a 9700k and I’m thinking of getting a i5 or i7 13th gen heavily. Have a 2080 super rn, planning on a 3080ti or 4080 in the future
That's a nice upgrade!
Same, Placed my order while watching video. Was gonna go 13700k but for just over 300 this is great deal.
Great video! I think the 13600 is the star of this generation. Faster single core than ryzen, Enough multicore performance to go around, doesn’t have the stupid high power consumption of intels other stuff, is affordable with ddr4 options. If I was building a new (reasonably priced) gaming machine I would seriously consider this cpu.
I feel like zen4 6 and 8 core offerings are too expensive for what they offer.
And budget builders should seriously look at the $139 ryzen 5600.
Indeed, that R5 5600 is a steal right now. Also, for upgraders who can't afford a whole new PC, $300 or less gets you into Zen 3
If your Texas power grid fails in the next days I'll know that Tech deals tested Intel i9 13900k + Nvidia 4090 😀
Something that I keep seeing said that isn't true, you don't need Windows 11 for 12th and 13th gen Intel CPU's. Windows 10s scheduler can tell the difference between CPU targets of different processing capability and schedule threads appropriately. Windows 10 will know that a P core has more capacity then an E core, and will schedule heavier workloads on the P core. If anything Windows 10 tends to prefer the P cores over the E cores and will only put stuff on them when the P cores already have stuff running. What Windows 10 doesn't really understand is energy usage, it would rather an idle P core to run your browser then assign it to an idle E core. Windows 11 can understand power usage and will instead assign tasks it deems not important to the E cores and leave as many P cores idle as possible to conserve power.
The Process Lasso program lets sidestep all this and create your own profiles that assigns programs to the cores you specify. In windows 10 I have process lasso running all my browsers and discord on my E-cores leaving the P cores free for everything else.
Since Alderlake we all knew AMD couldn't compete with the I5 and I7 from intel going forward. I just don't know why they made the 7600X $300 and 7700X $400 when they knew it couldn't compete, and their sales are suffering because of it. Both CPUs need atleast a $50 price cut.
The 7700X at $299 wouldn't change the outcome here.
Great review Tech, thanks. Now I see your point with 6 cores not enough. It seems like 6 cores are really done in few years frame time, speaking ofc for 1080p 144hz and 90hz 1440p.
I'm pretty sad you didn't test it for 1440p (however I do understand an amount of time needed for that + probably most of users are 1080p anyway, nor to speak about bottlenecks in 1440p testing), but hopefully HU will do.
Keep a good work up, be healthy.
The numbers will compress a bit at 1440p, however the idea is to show you what the 4090 would do at 1440p, or the 5090 at 4K. It's testing CPU performance. Do you want 10 charts that look like Tiny Tina's? What's the point?
1440p turns into a gpu test rather quickly. Even at 1080p there were a handful of games that were still gpu bottlenecked, most notably tiny tina’s wonderland
1440p is the “real use” test for me. I saw a lot of test that they all bunch up at 1440p/4k. From i9 to i5, all give the same performance. So for a gaming PC one could save money by not buying the i9.
@@Euruzilys What the i9 buys you is future and reserve performance... it allows you to keep your PC another year or two beyond the i5 without replacing it all.
Recently found your channel and saw full vids indepth for 13600K. Very informative. Subbed
Awesome, thank you!
Great Vid as always, Thanks Tech. My 13600k scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Pairing it with Msi Gaming Trio 12gb i also got yesterday, under 800 after tax with rebate and spiderman. Going from I7 8086k and 1080ti built 2018 summer. Was the GPU a decent buy?
I was skeptical when intel was talking about 'frame consistency', but it appears like they somehow managed. Throughout just about every game (except tiny tina), I managed to see less frametime wobble, which should result in more consistent framerate. It hurt me seeing zen4 tie with 12th gen most of the time, looking like it's a whole generation newer then whatever ryzen was showing.
We rarely are shocked, but when we first tested 13th gen, we were like, "woah, Intel brought it!"
Meanwhile im blown away from upgrading my 1600af to the 5600 because you pointed out the deep sale. Thanks Tech!
Wow, that is an epic upgrade, congrats!
Well AMD got taken behind the bike shed this time around. Even If they reduced the cost of the CPU's and Motherboards by 50%. Given that prices for DDR5 ram is at least double DDR4, then the NEW Intel CPU's are the new budget king BUT they are also much faster too boot. That being said IF you can afford a New Ryzen system it does not mean you should not it just means that you have choices which is great for us consumers. Oh and I do love the blooper reel!!!
must agree. i jumped from 5800X to 13600KF, huge huge difference. i bought Z690aorus elite and DDR4 . rly sweet upgrade to my 3090. after years of great ryzen cpu`s i decide to try intel thanks to this reviews. great temps and no spikes like my last amd.p.s. and main reason was that AM4 borads dnt have 4 pcx m.2, intel Z690 have, so there was not way to upgrade only board.
Been your subscriber since 2016 or 2017, keep it up!!
Is the 13600k good enough for gaming or should the 13700k be it? I am getting close reviews for both of them
We have to test the 13700K to know for sure, but based on having tested the i5 and i9, I'd either buy the i5 or step up to the i9
Ofcourse the 13600k is good for gaming.... even if it were just 6 cores it would still be good
@@slyvonix1456 6 cores struggles on new big games
i took the 13600K playing on 1440P so its more gpu bound anyway
Great review. Looks like the 13600k is really the way to go. Iam wondering however if you go with a cheaper z690 board won't that require some sort of bios upgrade first to make it compatible? Or will these boards be shipped with an adequate bios from now on?
Not really. You gotta keep in mind the AM5 platform will last for more one or two future generations. Future models like 7800X3D and 8800X3D will certainly crush anything we have today. Ofc there is always a chance AMD decides to extend compatibility and lauch the future 9800X3D on AM5 as well.
Most Z690 boards today have an updated BIOS already. To be safe, pick a board with BIOS Flashback, then it doesn't matter.
What tech said plus you can take it to a local shop and they can update your bios for you.
I love your new detailed videos, you give the best most studied advice in tech, you always talk about years of experience behind your recommendations and the way that you give the information makes it so easy to digest, thank you for this amazing video
Wow, thank you!
Great video and excellent information. Very clean presentations. Thanks for this.
Glad it was helpful!
Great review. Hopefully the new vga series from Amd will be more competetive, at least in price, but with this worldwide inflation, I'm doubtful. Would have love to see some cooling, temperature comparisons also.
You recommend people buy DDR4 RAM with their 13600k, but you show us the performance with GREAT (and very expensive) DDR5. Did you get to try the 13600k with DDR4 at all? I'm looking to build a new system in the coming months and I don't want to leave too much performance on the table.
It is a 1-2% difference with a 30 series card. Where it matters is 4090, but you shouldn't put that on a i5 system :)
I wouldn't suggest it if it were a concern, we will do a follow up video showing it, but I'm comfortable with the advice now.
Excellent video tech deals! Thanks for the solid, easily understandable information
I wonder if you'll take the 13900K's apparent ridiculous power draw & potential throttling into account. Guess we'll find out in the review!
Tech! What would you do if you were me? I have a Z590 board with a 10850k, 32gb RAM, and a 3070. I am wanting to upgrade - should I go with a 13700k (on sale for $380 at microcenter) or skip LGA 1700 altogether and wait for the next generation?. Thanks!
I would skip it and wait for the next gen, it's coming in a year at most.
if the 13600 drops price to USD170 by the next 2 years, I'll take this over the 7600X. would be an amazing upgrade to my ryzen 5600 that i bought 1 month ago
No. You will buy the 7700X 3D. ;) I am pretty sure. ;)
@@Theworthsearcher xD
If only the price would drop to the level of 5600 now, surely i will grab it
Great fair and balanced review. Very detailed as well.
Much appreciated!
Great video!, actually I have an i5 12400f with a rtx 4080, mostly play at 3440x1440 and some 4k60, Do you believe that I need to upgrade to 13600k or maybe wait for 15th gen?
You have a $1200 GPU on a $200 CPU? I don't think a 13900K is wasted on you.
Another great video. Thank you Tech!
Really straight to the point content and in-depth analysis, thank you!
Great in-depth review , thanks
And now I'm glad that I did not upgrade to Zen 3. I am skipping this year entirely, and hopefully next year too, so I can upgrade to Zen 6 or 15th gen in a whole new system.
Nice seeing Intel being truly competitive and innovative again.
But the best part of the video? Tech Deals and Son being silly.
I'm having so much fun working with my son!
I'm a AMD fanboy but damn even I can't hide that ass whooping. May be building a 13600k itx soon.
Yea, we own a lot of Ryzen systems ourselves, even more than Intel. But my goodness this thing is a beast...
When I bought my 3700x I really didn't expect that just two generations later we'd see jumps this large.
Always enjoy your insight.
Woah 13600k looks like a STEAL value wise, amazing. What would be your recommended GPU for 1080p gaming e sports title maintaining above 165fps at all times. Thanks!
RX 6800 XT
How about CPU upgradability path? Which platform is better, AM5 or Z690/Z790?
great video and explaination as usual, great job
I have suggesstion , maybe in the future, you can put another information about power draw
so we can see another deals about performance per watt
thanks
For the i9, that might matter, but for the i5, the difference is trivial, don't fuss about it
I’m excited to upgrade from my old 6700k.
Oh my, WARP SPEED ahead!
Great video as always I have a question windows loads up default on one core and the other cores are for multi tasking in msconfig you can loads windows on all cores will this help gaming performance as it uses single core for performance
People should respect E-core more, it's real reserved power (for MT tasks).
I take E-core over hyperthreading any day.
I absolutely love your Channel I have since you started it and what I really like is you make it interesting and you don't have a voice that drones on and on and on you have inflection you have personality un-like Gamers Nexus which I do like his channel it's just so hard to get through an entire video
Thank you so much!
Hopefully AMD makes some smart moves to counter intel because right now they're failing to compete on the pricing front. I've currently got a 5600x in my system. I'll probably wait and see if AMD comes out with an x3d option this generation but it's looking like AMD really shot itself in the foot with the cost of upgrading the entire platform.
Tech always looks for what is best. ❤️
Biggest bang for the buck is my love language and you're sure a sweet talker!
Thanks for the video!
Hey after months of waiting, we finally have a Tech Deal!!!!
Well, you're not wrong...
Still using an i7 4790k in 2022. 8 years of usage in total. One of the best CPUs of its generation (2014).
lol
This is what happens when you don't increase core count AMD. 7600x should have been 8 core.
Indeed, but it wouldn't help, the 13600K still beats the 7700X
@@TechDeals By how much percentage ? if below 10% it might still be considerable if AMD drops prices.
@@Hemant81Kumar Did you watch this video? You're asking a question that you may find answered here.
@@TechDeals I asked while halfway on the video, later I got it answered, thanks for the nice video 😊
@@Hemant81Kumar Thank you for finishing the video!
Raptor Lake is impressive. I'd love to see a 13600K/13700K vs 5800X3D comparison @DDR4 3600 CL16 in gaming. Could be interesting to see what the deal is considering additional costs for cooling and power consumption as you can cool the 5800X3D with literally anything and you recommend an AIO for the 13600K. I don't expect Zen4 3D to be cheap - I expect it to give Raptor Lake what you call "an old fashioned butt whooping" and we probably have to pay for that. Ultra high end was never the reason for me to watch your videos. It was always about price/performance and I think this is what made you stand out from other channels. With ridiculous high ernergy prices in Europe and prices in general due to inflation, $/€ etc it`s more important than ever and I startet to look at performance/W more than just acquisition cost. Greetings from Germany
Tech, I know this is not what the video is about but, im looking to buy the 14900k but the power draw is absurd imo. Should I care about it or just accept it and but it? If its compared to the 7950x3d its a mini arc reactor. What to do?
23:57 The key fact about choosing a CPU to pair it with a GPU. No wonder it is the most replayed part of this video. 👌
Looks like we are going to see early release of the 3D V cache variants of 7000 series.
Very nice and detailed review thanks
Great comparison video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Well, the 13th gen makes things different. I was looking at Zen-4 to replace my recently deceased 4790 system. I really wanted AMD to pull through. But aside from the generally higher price of the platform, M.2 SATA ports are very few a very far between. In the $200-$300 price range (Newegg), there are only two boards that have M.2 SATA. I realize that M.2 SATA might be on the way out given the price/perf of NVME. But I would be shocked if there weren't loads of people (like me) that have perfectly fine M.2 SATA drives they would like to continue using.
M2 is actually nvme ssd:s. Dont think they will go anywhere soon. You think of just sata ssds.
Are all m.2 slots not backwards compatible with m.2 SATA?
No, all M.2 slots do not take SATA... in fact, most new ones do not.
You may need to find an expansion pcie card for your m.2 sata if you want to carry it forward with you to new systems.
@@AndrewTSq While most M.2 slots are indeed NVME, there are M.2 slots designed for SATA drives. If you check any Asus Z690 MB, there will be at least 1 M.2 slot that can support either NVME or SATA. I would be surprised if other brands weren't the same regarding Z690 M.2 SATA support. But, I only checked Asus.
Love your content and presentation
Hands down one of the best tech channels out there. No question
Wow, thanks!
Great review. I went the 7600x with my new build due to AM5 being around for 2-4 more generations. It was only $200 more than an Intel build but I only need to drop in a new processor down the road, not a whole new system.
Honestly I'm more interested in the performance of the budget cpus so this is more interesting to me than the 13900k.
Though if/when the 13700k results come out, if intel adds even more e cores to the 14600k, I wonder at what point the difference in p cores will start to matter less.
Laptops already had 6+8 configuration previously.
Another question is if the new 13500 and 13400 will undercut the 13600k, though in practice.
If they launch for 250 or 200 then it might actually be quite interesting. Supposedly the i3 range is just going to be an alder lake refresh though, not entirely sure how or why but.
Motherboard comparison between b650 and b660 would be interesting as well.
Amd "could" pull a 7600 or 7500 situation again (or just straight up lower the price of the 7600x) but eh.
DDR4 vs DDR5 is a thing as well, we're assuming either DDR5 has a reasonable price and/or that ddr4 doesnt have a large enough decrease in performance.
Presumably once 14th gen comes out it wont matter since both intel and amd will be on ddr5 by then and theoretically the price and performance would have improved.
The chips below this will be Alder Lake rebranded chips, there won't be Raptor versions of the low end.
Intel clawing back the 7 zip benchmark is..interesting to say the least. In terms of raw performance? Or maybe intel did something funny.
@@mahomisawa4172 I really have no way of knowing, short of doing a lot of file compression tests with actual files. Time is always a thing.
What im really curious is. It has been a year so maybe someone has done a video on alder lake behavior, but from what I understand is that the pc usually tries to load up all the p cores first. But of course in real world usage you have multiple programs open at once so.
It's not just the price of those chips. It's the value that the platform brings with it. LGA1700 is a dead end whilst AM5 is just starting to stretch its legs.
That is true, but I address that. You have to buy twice and pay twice as much to get that. You can afford to buy 2 Intel platforms for the same money.
Yeah, but you can bring your DDR5, LGA 1700 cooler and perhaps your PSU forward.
Excellent review 👍
When I built my pc 4 months ago I remember one of the technician asking me why am i pairing a 12100 with a z690, well this is why.
As someone who is looking to build a new PC this year, what I take away from this is the 13th gen i5 is all I really need for 1440p gaming. Doesn't look like I need an i7 or i9.
Would you recommend the LGA 1700 Frame instead of the stock lever that comes on the motherboards for the 13600K?
Thanks!
It's only needed for extreme overclocking to eek out that last 200 Mhz and reduce temps by 10 C
Great job Tech
Great video, thanks!👍
Glad you liked it!
So is intel good for Lightroom and photoshop workloads? My current 3600x 32gb, 1650 gtx is struggling on windows 10 with pci4.0 nvme drives. I was going to upgrade to the 3900x and windows 11. Thoughts?
I use i5-12600K and it so cool and cold. ~1% Windows 11
When is your review of the 13700k coming out? I want to buy it but without your opinion i am afraid to do so :D
In a week, we don’t have one yet, waiting for Newegg to deliver it
Good review as always, I just wish there would be thermal and power draw info.
I talked about both in the video, you can also see temps and power consumption in the recorded footage.
@@TechDeals If I missed it, my bad. But unless I am wrong, you just mention the temps and power are fine in the tech analisis near the end. There is no real stress test done, or charts. I mean, sure, you can see decent temperatures and power consumption while playing, but that is rarely the problem. When you render for a long time, how are those temps and power usage? The 13900k does very poorly in those scenarios, that's why I was wondering. I am sure the 13600K does much better, but is still worth knowing. Having said that, I have no doubt that recomenting the 13600K over the 7600X is a no brainer in almost all cases. The 13600K is arguably the best all around CPU on the market atm.
I’m just trying to figure out which CPU would pair well with a 4090 for 4K gaming. Would a 7600x be fine or would I see tangible improvements in 13600k?
For a 4090, i9-13900K or 7950X. You'll regret going cheap there, even at 4K
great video as always i am thining of upgrading to 13th gen from 8700k but not sure if i should go with z690 or z790 motherboard
The Z690 AORUS Master for $300 is an insane value at the moment.
Glad i decided to keep a z690 platform around, now just pick which model to buy when it goes on sale.
Can i ask what was the Air cooler again. Can't find it. Also what GPU would you Pair with the 13600KF CPU. Thank you.
At 24:00 you have some recommendations. What motherboard would you recommend for mAtx? I want the Asus AP201 but it's mAtx/itx only.
Very good stuff. I completely agree with this veredict.
Moral of the story, never buy any cpu that begins with 7600. i5-7600k and R5-7600x are the worst products in history.
To all those who bought 5600x because 6 cores is all you need. We warned you 😎
In fairness, they have a reason to upgrade now... 13600K wrecks the 5600X :)
@@TechDeals Agree, I love upgrading.
Tech and Jr showing why working with your kids can be stressing
I love having my son be part of the family business, he is picking up on things quickly :)
are the gaming performance differences as noticeable at 1440p? Also, is there any performance difference between ddr4 and ddr5 on the 13600k?