I agree with the ReLive part and Radeon Software in general. I like it better than Nvidia's implementation. Everything in one software, no mandatory login. You can manually tune your graphics card, set fps targets etc on a game by game basis. It's quite nice.
@@arenzricodexd4409 yea Nvidias take is that you need about 5 different apps to get the most out of your hardware. Control panel for basic tuning Experience for shadowplay which is trash Mandatory logins Nspector for deep customisation MSI AB for proper overclocked and fan control AMD, just download their drivers and your good.
My question is very simple. Ex: Twitch streaming H.264 1080p 6k bits sample: Does the new Radeon 7000 series not blur anymore like the 6000 series? Or they still do but a bit better? Are they on par with Nvenc? Ok those were 3 questions.
If you're talking about streaming from the card then you're referring to the hardware AMF encoder. As far as I'm aware the performance there is almost entirely software dependent, not hardware at this point. They did update the AMF encoder a number of months ago but it still doesn't outperform Nvenc, and both are beaten by Intel's QSV encoder on their newer integrated GPUs (the ones built into the CPUs).
@@cali_cal Epos did a video where he compared the VMAF results of various hardware H.264 encoder implementations. Intel's QuickSync (QSV) encoder produced the highest quality results.
Maybe a little late with an answer, but unfortunately: NO. I tried every kind of settings in the last 2 days but the codec icw the bitrate cap of 6000/8000 kbps makes it look too blurry when there's a lot of movement going on.
@@johnheror5564 hey thanks for the answer, I'm just entering the AMD Twitch Streaming rabbit hole cause I have a 7900 XT and wanted to start streaming. What solution did you end up with? So far I've seen: 1. Use x264/Software CPU encoding (if you have an Intel CPU even better cause you can use Quick Sync), unless they did some recent updates I think "medium" preset still has better quality than HW encoded streaming while not demanding too much CPU power. 2. Just settle for 720p60, it'll probably look better stretched than blurry 1080p60 (and many people don't even use full screen when watching a stream). 3. You can actually override the 6/8 Mbps Twitch limit but it may get unstable. I tested with 15 Mbps (for 1934p cause I have a ultrawide) and it looked decent, however while Live I could not get the source resolution to appear and was provided with 720p, only the VOD showed 1934p. I only tested for 10 mins so maybe after more time it would get processed while streaming. For 1080p60 maybe 12 Mbps would be a good sweet-spot. It's a bummer that such a powerful card gets bottlenecked in streaming because it has to rely on the subpar H.264 implementation while it has a competitive AV1 solution. I hope Twitch updates their stuff and rolls out AV1 support faster. At this point it should be a pretty mature technology.
It's looking a bit like this is 'buying into promise' of sorts when it comes to drivers. Which has been a theme for AMD and ATi as well before AMD bought them. Hardware is looking pretty nice so far which to some degree was expected. Still, I'll likely go with AMD card depending a bit what's available tomorrow or later this month. Need to see what sort of cooling options are available on cards from Asus, MSI, etc and prices too of course, which is going to be the bigger problem as the prices here will likely be fair big higher overall.
The thing that still stands out to me is that Intel is king in encoding. ARC's H.264 quality surpasses all other GPU HW implementations, and QSV is just the best out there in the IGPU space. The real question is, can you just slap an ARC A380 in a system with a higher spec Nvidia or AMD GPU and use it as a pure encoding accelerator for streaming. Depending on where you look these cards can go for like $110-$139. If you have a standard ATX motherboard you can almost certainly fit it in your build and for a cheap price remove all the streaming load off your main GPU. Basically the best of a dual PC setup in one.
I've 5900x with a 7900xt, and when I stream, I've a massive frame drop. Have to cap frames to 165 from 240 at 1440p or 1080p is the same. Using the x264 or AMD x264. Any thoughts? Edited: I turned off freesync in adrenaline software and resolved the problem
Nice to see that the H.264 encoder has somewhat improved, but I was hoping for more from their AV1 encoder though, barely being able to do 4K60 encoding at “Max” settings is disappointing but having 4:4:4 is cool, but hey maybe updates could improve things. Great video as always!
@@df98156 Nvidia and Intel set the expectations bar relatively high and they can chew 4K60 on highish presets just fine. It's an expectation based on what the competition is already doing.
Amazing! Thank you for the coverage! Though ive got a question, at around 4:30 you compared h264 encoding between nvenc and arc, you labeled intel's as arc h264, does that mean arc has their own encoder or is it quicksync? If its quicksync is it the same exact quicksync we can find on intel's cpus or is it only on arc?
@@EposVox Thanks for getting back to me! Thats very interesting, do you also know if theres any quality difference between quicksync on arc vs. intel cpu? Or have you not measured that as of now?
Was holding out for the encoder/stream info looks to be interesting and wonder where it all will be in the next couple of months. Nvidia looks like its going to be less of a headache tho.
could you do a update to this video on the 7900xtx vs 4070ti ? Im currently on the 1660ti. I only stream my ps5. but I DO edit videos in prem pro. and Im looking to upgrade. and the 7900xtx or the 4070ti is what Im looking at getting due to price. thank you for your hard work on your channel to keep us all in the know. x
Can you help me decide between the 7800 XT and the 4070? I’ll be using it for gaming and game development in UE5. I’m a beginner with 3D games and modeling, and I’m unsure about which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing. If I were to use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would the 7800 XT be able to handle it? I'm just a bit confused about what to buy.
It sucks so much that AMD cant keep up with the creative side because that is all I use the cards for.... I like gaming, but you can still use a 1080 and have a good time gaming, I only have a 3090 because of the creative aspect. I waited to get a 40 series card this year due to price and hopes AMD would bump the creative performance, but sadly NVidia is still the only card useful for the creatives which really stinks
Sadly, that experience is not just you, thats the AMD video encoder, you experience the same across all AMD cards and even remote play on xbox one and ps5. I wish AMD would do a decent video encoder, because without it, its never going to be a viable card for me, no matter how ‘cheap’ the performance is :(
AMD GPUs are weird when it comes to encoding at low bitrates. Here's what works for me: 720p30 at 4000-5000, 720p48(NOT 60) at 6000, 900p30 at 6000, 1080p30 at 8000, 864p48(NOT 60) at 8000, 1408x792p60 at 8000. Anything outside of these parameters is a blocky mess
Looking forward to your testing. I won't buy until I see the encoding data, as I'm starting a YT channel that will stream to multiple other platforms simultaneously. The camera and the gpu are next month, though. This month was backdrop, LA150Bi light kit (2 lights) and 3x GVM panel 850D LED RGB lights for hair and accent lighting. Also a colorchecker Video from X-rite to create a 3D LUT. So getting there, but still a lot more to do for a professional stream. But watching your videos over the past couple years has taught me so much. Thank you for your body of work!
@@dairevickers my sister majored in theater and focused on stage management. Also, as to the content, it's talking head covering current events. I'm a non- practicing securities attorney that intends to cover the news and events of the day, with the latter being opinion pieces. I also plan on doing a separate channel doing educational pieces. So about $2K startup, with the computer systems and some other equipment being owned before starting, it should be fine. Although a saturated area, I'm also starting when crypto is going bust and I uniquely am more qualified to explain the ins and outs of how the media is lying to people, existing regulation did cover this, and it is a failure of two to three administrations to regulate, pointing to precise existing guidance from the SEC, inaction from the DOJ, analysis of the complaints from each agency, explaining the law, etc.
Hey really appreciate all the work you do! :) Will you be reviewing how the 7900 XTX does in AV1 when DaVinci Resolve supports it and against the XT? I'm really curious how much of a difference between the two. I can't justify getting the 4090 so interested in 7900 XTX to be a better value option.
@4:24 does the file sizes match between the encoders? As in, do the same settings produce the same compression ratio between the encoders? If not, how does this change if adjusted?
Mindblowing that you of all people didn't get a card for covering the big tag line feature this review cycle. Seeing these results though... it makes sense. Lets hope AMD get their heads out of their asses soon
Hope for a new Competition with OB 29 Final and the Final Driver at this time then. Pls also the RX6000 Picture Quality with the new Optimizations in OBS 29 that comes also for RX6000.
@@EposVox I don't think you covered this very well, there is no clear explanation of what software and settings you were using. You are showing OBS in the video, I'm not using OBS, no idea if this even can encode video sources beside video capture. Thanks for not telling me, not very helpful.
I was as verbose as I could possibly get that OBS 29 beta is literally the only option to encode AV1 with AMD right now. I dedicated a lot of time to saying that. It was as clear as it could possibly be.
@@EposVox Ok thanks. I might try out OBS a little more. One thing which seems to be missing is a bframes/goprefdist option for AV1 on Arc. If this isn't enabled the quality is not as good as it could. Another option they could add is Lookahead depth for CBR/VBR, it helps a bit. Depending on the sample it can increase the VMAF score by 0.1-0.5. I hope this will be added later in OBS.
These cards seem to be about the performance uptick in all regions i was realistically expecting, but not the one i was hoping for. AMD's slides made it look like the XTX should be more equivalent to the 4080 than it is and the media creation side of things appears to have finally become comparable to Nvidia's....Maxwell era cards (Mild hyperbole). It is still early days for software and firmware, so my disappointments might be addressed come tax season, but it's beginning to look like another generation of AMD's GPU division not living up to the hype the CPU division stirred up and lived up to.
It’s got a 100 watt idle power and bugged out … yeah sure they are gonna fix it I know it’s fine wine haha idk maybe I’m crazy but I want a +$1,000.00 product to work the day I buy it??? Radeon is just disappointing as fuck
@@gungrave10 unfortunately the 7900xtx doesn’t compete with the 4090 they could’ve called it the 7800xt and made it cost what that tier of card was worth, that would truly leverage the value of chiplets, yet they choose to brand the card higher cause Nvidia did the same. Now if Nvidia lowers their 4080 price it outcompetes due to features and market share.
Sure but that involved modifying the driver, which isn’t a great idea, and isn’t something most consumers will do - thus it’s still my responsibility to push for official unlock
i would be very interested in any information about VR game streaming (Quest 2 / Pico 4 Headsets), which usually needs realtime 5K-6K resolution with up to 150Mbit at 72fps minimum. I guess there is still no way around NVIDIA if you want the best quality with as low latency as possible.
whats that 1080p60 upscaled to 6k60 av1, etc etc clip? FSR upscale? Editor Lanczos upscale? obs gpu upscale? anyways can you recommend any upscaling software, like FSR tools for video or AI upscaling software? it seems to be a bunch AI software out there.
You mentioning 4:4:4 being supported, but i can't seem to make it work. OBS always gives me 4:2:0, regardless of what i set in the advanced tab of OBS (29. Beta3). Same with AMD Relive. The 7900XT might support it, but aisde from your video, there is virtually no mention of 4:4:4 support. I couldn't test ffmpeg directly because it seems all builds you can get right now don't have the newest AMF Version for AV1 support. Can you maybe give me a hint, as to how to use 4:4:4?
I jumped on a chance at a new pc friday. 4080 16GB with an I9 13900kf. Couldn't pass it up because if I were to build it myself I would of been looking at a much larger cost.
Thanks for looking at AMDs offerings I watched a lets play of God of War Ragnarok, it was presented in AV1 and looked pretty clean but I gotta say where Atreus inherits a marble collection the flora doesn't quite match the rest of the presentation, do you suppose it was the capture or the bitrate on youtube? It's a playstation exclusive so I'm guessing they uploaded an h264. iirc a few games have this scene, flora up to or over the characters standing height that may deform when traversed, Hitman 3 (outside a mansion? lets play), Horizon (digital foundry, sneaking in tall grass), Witcher 3 (someone else on yt trying to rank encoders, running through tall grass), and GoW Ragnarok (lets play, described above).. I'd take a stab in the dark and say maybe a Creed game would have one like that but I haven't played all these games myself yet. Perhaps you could incorporate scenes like it in your encoder videos.
The new dual media engine brings 8K60 AV1 encode/decode, simultaneous encode/decode for AVC/HEVC, AI-enhanced video encode, and a 1.8x engine frequency increase, which leads to up to 7x faster 8K transcoding with AV1 encode.
Literally the only thing in media I've cared about is archival. I used to transcode my ATSC recordings via CPU X264, because I got smaller file sizes compared to my 1080ti. Then the 5700XT ended up having way better H.265 than even RTX2000, it just didn't have the gaming performance I was after. I'd imagine that would still be just as good on 7000 series. I'm far more likely to stream to YT than twitch, so H.264 is basically meaningless to me.
What I always find missing in the DaVinci Resolve tests is how it does with the AI features that use NVIDIA's Tensor cores. If AMD would at least offer decent brute-force performance there I might actually consider AMD for content creation to compliment my 3900X.
Buying a AMD card is generally buying into a promise that never delivers fully on release. I'll be getting a XTX but no idea when or what one since stock is going to be non-existent here. _(plus a shit load of my money is in between accounts for some reason...)_
I've been fishing for answers forever. I own a 6900XT with 10900k. I was dual streaming to my 2080 super laptop nvenc, but I think QSV is better quality at 8000 CBR? I wish I could just figure out the best option without purchasing an AV1 encoder. The data changes too much. NVENC P6 looks great at 8000 kbps but if QSV is better according to Netflix testing, I should probably use QSV right?
@@EposVox that recording needs to be in high bit rate and exported files also need to be in high bit rate as well and i mean 80mbps atleast and try to trick youtubes dumb codec into not destroying the quality of videos
Looks quite good for Resolve at least! So the XTX may actually be able to compete with the 4080 for a much lower price? Sad to see their encoders still suck. Quite impressed with the H265 (Main 10 profile) on the M1 Max, so good!
I saw AMD had updated their hardware encoding a few months back and that OBS supports it now. How does it compare now? 6800xt user who will probably hold off another year before considering upgrading.
First , btw I came here looking for a way to stream on twitch using 265 HEVC, in one your video you stated that you need plugins with obs, I'm still searching for it. Edit: I misunderstood the thumbail in : OBS NVENC AV1 Beta is HERE! Discord AV1 & Virtual Camera Updates , I thought it was Streaming settings when it was in reality recording settings. My mistake.
As far as I know Twitch can't ingest h265/HEVC so what you want would be impossible. You can encode the local recording using h265/HEVC on OBS though and stream to TH-cam too but you need to use HLS instead of RTMP(S) for that.
I misunderstood the thumbail in : OBS NVENC AV1 Beta is HERE! Discord AV1 & Virtual Camera Updates , I thought it was Streaming settings when it was in reality recording settings. My mistake.
I wish they had sent you a review card, as it seems like you're the only person out here testing encode/decode features. 4K180 AVC/HEVC encoding is only available if you do 4:2:0 I think, same with 4K240 AV1. Also, the page where you show the ffmpeg options seems to correlate to your findings of Speed vs Quality vs High Quality presets - they say Speed will go up to 8K60fps, and the others go up to 1080p60fps, so maybe those settings are already baked in to the OBS presets you were using?
Finally got to watch this! A bit disappointed that 4k60 is not possible on High preset, but I suppose if the quality of Speed encoding is still good, it's okay? I am excited for testing of quality of all the presets and all the good stuff coming up now that you have your card at home! Thanks a lot for your effort in making these
It's me again :P I'll be returning the A380 as Intel Support wasn't able to fix anything. I suspect the card is broken. I'm on a dual system, so one PC just for streaming/encoding. How do you feel a 2950X with two GPUs for encoding would work? Then I could maybe encode for the stream how I do now with the RTX 2060, and use the other card for the best quality encoding at the same time, which the RTX 2060 won't do now, it locks up OBS, and if I want to do 120 FPS clip saving, it also won't work. I was wondering about the RX 7600 (or maybe the RTX 4060, or maybe evne the A380 if I get a working one and it actually works), it's slightly more expensive) for the local high bit rate recording (QVP at 18 is what I've been using for local recordings at 60 FPS (had to set CBR for 120 FPS cause QVP is too slow at encoding). And swap around when AV1 becomes a thing on Twitch. For a one PC system, two cards, one for gaming, one for encoding) isn't so good from what I gather, but for a dedicated stream PC, maybe?
It's a step in the right direction for AMD. This is tangential, but I would LOVE to see the PS5 Pro and XBOX Series Pro getting dedicated encoding support. There's huge potential for better content if the 'mere' above average gamer has the tools to capture impressive quality footage. AMD has decent enough tech now, do it Sony and Microsoft!!
About 4:4:4 support; you said in your recent Nvidia video that you could just record upscaled 4:2:0. If that's the case, there is only an issue if you want to record 4:4:4 from an 8K native source, correct? (Since all of these encoders cap at 8K). Maybe when you update your general high-quality recording guide, you could add some clarity on upscaling vs 4:4:4. Right now my understanding is that upscaling is the "easier" approach for both the user and the hardware.
@@EposVox well year. But yeah fair enough. 😁. I'll admit I listen to your videos while doing other tasks, so the imagery is secondary unless specifically told to look at the screen 🤣.
I will wait for your later video on this when you have the card, sounds like its a good step forward but slightly short still. Some will jump some will remain. I might still remain on Nvidia though.
When will h265 streaming support come to 6000 series? I have a 6700xt but I am considering selling it because there is no information about this condition.
I gotta say that 3 way comparison footage AV1 didnt always look better on Nvidia compared to AMD even, some signs looked the more blurrier on Nvidia and then I could see some weird artifacts on things like the cannons on Nvidia.
thank you for your video? im not 100% sure i understood though. so in other words, with a sufficient rest of pc setup of course, would a 7900 card be good enough to game in 1440p and conveniently stream-encode ONE (not 6 :D) session, finally?
When one test (and not one that’s even a GPU bound test) result out of a dozen shows something like that, that’s called an anomaly and most likely not accurate. I always skip through the “media score” charts, as they’re not super useful
Not a gamer.......from the world of post-production........does this mean that the 7900xt will give the same kind of performance or better than the 3090………if so that’s great
does anyone have a setting to advise me to record in 1440p 60 with av1? cqp20 and cqp16 exhibit frame drop on 7900xt. I suspect that my settings are not good lol
Why are your vmaf figures here show a much larger gap between AMF and NVENC than your previous video that you referenced in this video? In the previous video, you stated that there was around 8-10% difference in VMAF scores but it seems much higher in this instance. Is it related to the particular footage that you used?
I actually swapped to Nvidia recently. And I do miss the AMD driver/ software. Good to see there doing better in streaming now. Hope you get your hands on one soon.
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This is the real RX 7000 video we all needed to see. Too bad you weren’t sent a review sample.
I agree with the ReLive part and Radeon Software in general. I like it better than Nvidia's implementation. Everything in one software, no mandatory login. You can manually tune your graphics card, set fps targets etc on a game by game basis. It's quite nice.
Because both company have different take on such thing.
@@arenzricodexd4409 yea Nvidias take is that you need about 5 different apps to get the most out of your hardware.
Control panel for basic tuning
Experience for shadowplay which is trash
Mandatory logins
Nspector for deep customisation
MSI AB for proper overclocked and fan control
AMD, just download their drivers and your good.
@@Fezzy976plus the one for voice and cam AI
@@macho7409 my 6600 was buggy gave it to my brother and got 6700xt finally no crashed on 23 drivers
AMD NEEDS to improve their h264 encoder. It’s damn near unusable still.
My question is very simple. Ex: Twitch streaming H.264 1080p 6k bits sample: Does the new Radeon 7000 series not blur anymore like the 6000 series? Or they still do but a bit better? Are they on par with Nvenc? Ok those were 3 questions.
If you're talking about streaming from the card then you're referring to the hardware AMF encoder. As far as I'm aware the performance there is almost entirely software dependent, not hardware at this point. They did update the AMF encoder a number of months ago but it still doesn't outperform Nvenc, and both are beaten by Intel's QSV encoder on their newer integrated GPUs (the ones built into the CPUs).
@@_lime. where you get that info?
@@cali_cal Epos did a video where he compared the VMAF results of various hardware H.264 encoder implementations. Intel's QuickSync (QSV) encoder produced the highest quality results.
Maybe a little late with an answer, but unfortunately: NO. I tried every kind of settings in the last 2 days but the codec icw the bitrate cap of 6000/8000 kbps makes it look too blurry when there's a lot of movement going on.
@@johnheror5564 hey thanks for the answer, I'm just entering the AMD Twitch Streaming rabbit hole cause I have a 7900 XT and wanted to start streaming. What solution did you end up with? So far I've seen:
1. Use x264/Software CPU encoding (if you have an Intel CPU even better cause you can use Quick Sync), unless they did some recent updates I think "medium" preset still has better quality than HW encoded streaming while not demanding too much CPU power.
2. Just settle for 720p60, it'll probably look better stretched than blurry 1080p60 (and many people don't even use full screen when watching a stream).
3. You can actually override the 6/8 Mbps Twitch limit but it may get unstable. I tested with 15 Mbps (for 1934p cause I have a ultrawide) and it looked decent, however while Live I could not get the source resolution to appear and was provided with 720p, only the VOD showed 1934p. I only tested for 10 mins so maybe after more time it would get processed while streaming. For 1080p60 maybe 12 Mbps would be a good sweet-spot.
It's a bummer that such a powerful card gets bottlenecked in streaming because it has to rely on the subpar H.264 implementation while it has a competitive AV1 solution. I hope Twitch updates their stuff and rolls out AV1 support faster. At this point it should be a pretty mature technology.
Awesome content as usual! I hope you keep up with the content for AMD’s AV1 support as well as single pc record/stream effect.
It's looking a bit like this is 'buying into promise' of sorts when it comes to drivers. Which has been a theme for AMD and ATi as well before AMD bought them. Hardware is looking pretty nice so far which to some degree was expected. Still, I'll likely go with AMD card depending a bit what's available tomorrow or later this month. Need to see what sort of cooling options are available on cards from Asus, MSI, etc and prices too of course, which is going to be the bigger problem as the prices here will likely be fair big higher overall.
I totally agree with you for the work AMD has done to the driver software is amazing deserve credit even do im not an AMD fan 👍🏽
Thanks Epos, appreciate you putting in the time for this!
The thing that still stands out to me is that Intel is king in encoding. ARC's H.264 quality surpasses all other GPU HW implementations, and QSV is just the best out there in the IGPU space. The real question is, can you just slap an ARC A380 in a system with a higher spec Nvidia or AMD GPU and use it as a pure encoding accelerator for streaming. Depending on where you look these cards can go for like $110-$139. If you have a standard ATX motherboard you can almost certainly fit it in your build and for a cheap price remove all the streaming load off your main GPU. Basically the best of a dual PC setup in one.
Perfect. Open source drivers for longevity, and now they finally have encoding I can hopefully one day use for Plex.
I've 5900x with a 7900xt, and when I stream, I've a massive frame drop. Have to cap frames to 165 from 240 at 1440p or 1080p is the same. Using the x264 or AMD x264. Any thoughts?
Edited: I turned off freesync in adrenaline software and resolved the problem
I know this is old, but u can run 240fps while streaming?!
It looks like AV1's faster entropy coder design is really benefitting HW encoders in terms of speed and throughput.
Nice to see that the H.264 encoder has somewhat improved, but I was hoping for more from their AV1 encoder though, barely being able to do 4K60 encoding at “Max” settings is disappointing but having 4:4:4 is cool, but hey maybe updates could improve things. Great video as always!
"barely being able to do 4K60 encoding at “Max” settings is disappointing"
what on earth kind of expectations do you people have
@@df98156 Nvidia and Intel set the expectations bar relatively high and they can chew 4K60 on highish presets just fine. It's an expectation based on what the competition is already doing.
@@Jasterrrr I suppose. Understandable, then.
Yeah I mean Nvidia could do 4k60 encoding without flinching since 10 series lol
@@EposVox That is a highly misleading comment, since a lot of the viewers here are probably thinking about livestream encoding aka while gaming.
Amazing! Thank you for the coverage! Though ive got a question, at around 4:30 you compared h264 encoding between nvenc and arc, you labeled intel's as arc h264, does that mean arc has their own encoder or is it quicksync? If its quicksync is it the same exact quicksync we can find on intel's cpus or is it only on arc?
It's called quicksync, I'm just noting that it's specifically running on arc here for quality measurement purposes
@@EposVox Thanks for getting back to me! Thats very interesting, do you also know if theres any quality difference between quicksync on arc vs. intel cpu? Or have you not measured that as of now?
Intel changes basically every generation. So Arc is mostly matched to 12th gen iGPU, but older generations perform worse
exactly what I was looking for thank you very much for the video and the coverage of everything.
Was holding out for the encoder/stream info looks to be interesting and wonder where it all will be in the next couple of months.
Nvidia looks like its going to be less of a headache tho.
7900XTX best 4k recording settings - and steaming settings
could you do a update to this video on the 7900xtx vs 4070ti ? Im currently on the 1660ti. I only stream my ps5. but I DO edit videos in prem pro. and Im looking to upgrade. and the 7900xtx or the 4070ti is what Im looking at getting due to price. thank you for your hard work on your channel to keep us all in the know. x
Can you help me decide between the 7800 XT and the 4070? I’ll be using it for gaming and game development in UE5. I’m a beginner with 3D games and modeling, and I’m unsure about which one to pick. The 16GB VRAM on the 7800 XT seems great for future-proofing. If I were to use ray tracing at a medium level while making games, would the 7800 XT be able to handle it? I'm just a bit confused about what to buy.
Out of curiosity, could we also have the x264 reference point vs the h264 data-points? I think it'd have been quite instructive.
hello epos, could you make a video of the best possible configuration to stream with AMD HW H265 codec on TH-cam using AMD graphics, please
Who implement AV1 livestreams first? Twitch, TH-cam or other? :)
I think TH-cam
I've got a 7900XT and I'd like to record games at 4k or 1440p and 120fps. Do you have recommended settings for that?
The uncapped encode limit is a big deal for video engineers using vmix or other software based switchers... if they can fix the software.
It sucks so much that AMD cant keep up with the creative side because that is all I use the cards for.... I like gaming, but you can still use a 1080 and have a good time gaming, I only have a 3090 because of the creative aspect. I waited to get a 40 series card this year due to price and hopes AMD would bump the creative performance, but sadly NVidia is still the only card useful for the creatives which really stinks
Is buying i5 13500 and using their x264 encoder would be a better option than using the amd gpu encoder ?
thanks for the video . in france no one has yet posted on the radeon av1.
sorry for the google translation
i find my rx570 encoder very bad for streaming every 4 seconds or so i get blurry screen then it goes back
Sadly, that experience is not just you, thats the AMD video encoder, you experience the same across all AMD cards and even remote play on xbox one and ps5. I wish AMD would do a decent video encoder, because without it, its never going to be a viable card for me, no matter how ‘cheap’ the performance is :(
AMD GPUs are weird when it comes to encoding at low bitrates. Here's what works for me: 720p30 at 4000-5000, 720p48(NOT 60) at 6000, 900p30 at 6000, 1080p30 at 8000, 864p48(NOT 60) at 8000, 1408x792p60 at 8000. Anything outside of these parameters is a blocky mess
@@Vinnie_PT i might just upgrade my cpu to higher cores then go for software encoding
Streaming shouldn't go black. That only means you're using too much bitrate.
I can do 15-20 Mbps streaming on 5700 XT just fine.
@@raresmacovei8382 i didn't say it goes black i said it goes back* and i only use 3k bitrate for 720p
Looking forward to your testing. I won't buy until I see the encoding data, as I'm starting a YT channel that will stream to multiple other platforms simultaneously. The camera and the gpu are next month, though. This month was backdrop, LA150Bi light kit (2 lights) and 3x GVM panel 850D LED RGB lights for hair and accent lighting. Also a colorchecker Video from X-rite to create a 3D LUT.
So getting there, but still a lot more to do for a professional stream. But watching your videos over the past couple years has taught me so much. Thank you for your body of work!
That's a lot of investment before you even start, or have you been successful with previous channels so know what you are doing?
@@dairevickers my sister majored in theater and focused on stage management. Also, as to the content, it's talking head covering current events. I'm a non- practicing securities attorney that intends to cover the news and events of the day, with the latter being opinion pieces. I also plan on doing a separate channel doing educational pieces. So about $2K startup, with the computer systems and some other equipment being owned before starting, it should be fine.
Although a saturated area, I'm also starting when crypto is going bust and I uniquely am more qualified to explain the ins and outs of how the media is lying to people, existing regulation did cover this, and it is a failure of two to three administrations to regulate, pointing to precise existing guidance from the SEC, inaction from the DOJ, analysis of the complaints from each agency, explaining the law, etc.
for rendering h264 / h265 -1080p rtx 2060 super or RX5700 xt?? which one is faster? filmora 9 / davinci
Did u figure out ?
Hey really appreciate all the work you do! :) Will you be reviewing how the 7900 XTX does in AV1 when DaVinci Resolve supports it and against the XT? I'm really curious how much of a difference between the two. I can't justify getting the 4090 so interested in 7900 XTX to be a better value option.
Question, can you confirm if AV1 hardware encode with these GPUs will become available on Handbrake?
I mean, I can’t speak for the developers, but Handbrake always eventually supports everything so there’s no reason to believe it won’t
@4:24 does the file sizes match between the encoders? As in, do the same settings produce the same compression ratio between the encoders? If not, how does this change if adjusted?
Mindblowing that you of all people didn't get a card for covering the big tag line feature this review cycle. Seeing these results though... it makes sense. Lets hope AMD get their heads out of their asses soon
AV1 is available in Twitch and TH-cam? For 2023 ?
TH-cam videos can be uploaded in AV1. Twitch hasn’t rolled out support just yet
thanks buddy info we needed
Hope for a new Competition with OB 29 Final and the Final Driver at this time then. Pls also the RX6000 Picture Quality with the new Optimizations in OBS 29 that comes also for RX6000.
What software do you use for AV1 encoding, is it DaVinci Resolve?
For this testing? No, I covered this very clearly and Resolve doesn’t support AMD’s AV1 encoder uet
@@EposVox I don't think you covered this very well, there is no clear explanation of what software and settings you were using. You are showing OBS in the video, I'm not using OBS, no idea if this even can encode video sources beside video capture. Thanks for not telling me, not very helpful.
I was as verbose as I could possibly get that OBS 29 beta is literally the only option to encode AV1 with AMD right now. I dedicated a lot of time to saying that. It was as clear as it could possibly be.
@@EposVox Ok thanks. I might try out OBS a little more. One thing which seems to be missing is a bframes/goprefdist option for AV1 on Arc. If this isn't enabled the quality is not as good as it could. Another option they could add is Lookahead depth for CBR/VBR, it helps a bit. Depending on the sample it can increase the VMAF score by 0.1-0.5. I hope this will be added later in OBS.
These cards seem to be about the performance uptick in all regions i was realistically expecting, but not the one i was hoping for. AMD's slides made it look like the XTX should be more equivalent to the 4080 than it is and the media creation side of things appears to have finally become comparable to Nvidia's....Maxwell era cards (Mild hyperbole). It is still early days for software and firmware, so my disappointments might be addressed come tax season, but it's beginning to look like another generation of AMD's GPU division not living up to the hype the CPU division stirred up and lived up to.
But, didn't it is kinda 4080. Better in raster, closer in RT.
@@gungrave10 I'm not sure i understand
@@RubyRoks Ah, sorry. What I'm trying to say that Xtx is equivalent to 4080. With worse RT but it is closer than previous gen
It’s got a 100 watt idle power and bugged out … yeah sure they are gonna fix it I know it’s fine wine haha idk maybe I’m crazy but I want a +$1,000.00 product to work the day I buy it???
Radeon is just disappointing as fuck
@@gungrave10 unfortunately the 7900xtx doesn’t compete with the 4090 they could’ve called it the 7800xt and made it cost what that tier of card was worth, that would truly leverage the value of chiplets, yet they choose to brand the card higher cause Nvidia did the same. Now if Nvidia lowers their 4080 price it outcompetes due to features and market share.
There is a tool that allows you to unlock the encoder limit on nvidias side I think it’s worth looking into
Sure but that involved modifying the driver, which isn’t a great idea, and isn’t something most consumers will do - thus it’s still my responsibility to push for official unlock
i would be very interested in any information about VR game streaming (Quest 2 / Pico 4 Headsets), which usually needs realtime 5K-6K resolution with up to 150Mbit at 72fps minimum. I guess there is still no way around NVIDIA if you want the best quality with as low latency as possible.
whats that 1080p60 upscaled to 6k60 av1, etc etc clip? FSR upscale? Editor Lanczos upscale? obs gpu upscale? anyways can you recommend any upscaling software, like FSR tools for video or AI upscaling software? it seems to be a bunch AI software out there.
Bicubic. Lanczos causes halo-ing and artifacts.
For upscaling I like Topaz Video AI and Waifu2X
Can you properly use instant replay caption-option in obs with amd cards? That is my worry
Would a AMD GPU be a good option for streaming on twitch with OBS?
You mentioning 4:4:4 being supported, but i can't seem to make it work. OBS always gives me 4:2:0, regardless of what i set in the advanced tab of OBS (29. Beta3). Same with AMD Relive. The 7900XT might support it, but aisde from your video, there is virtually no mention of 4:4:4 support. I couldn't test ffmpeg directly because it seems all builds you can get right now don't have the newest AMF Version for AV1 support.
Can you maybe give me a hint, as to how to use 4:4:4?
Oh, failed to mention. I dod check the video with ffprobe. Which does give me yuv420 as subsampling and as color space rec709
AMD Radeon Software is probably the best thing I have ever used. I just can't go back to nVidia just because of that :|
Do you think with the driver bugs that have been found so far that maybe some of the poorer content creation performance could possibly be related?
AMD software always needs a little or a lot more time in the oven
Thanks for providing in depth information for content creators.
I jumped on a chance at a new pc friday. 4080 16GB with an I9 13900kf. Couldn't pass it up because if I were to build it myself I would of been looking at a much larger cost.
You got good hardware!
IMHO needs more RAM if indeed you do video editing.
You can upgrade to 32GB or 64GB for a resonable price these days.
What video player is recommended to play back AV1 video? I tried POT and VLC, but they are laggy.
Thanks for looking at AMDs offerings
I watched a lets play of God of War Ragnarok, it was presented in AV1 and looked pretty clean but I gotta say where Atreus inherits a marble collection the flora doesn't quite match the rest of the presentation, do you suppose it was the capture or the bitrate on youtube? It's a playstation exclusive so I'm guessing they uploaded an h264.
iirc a few games have this scene, flora up to or over the characters standing height that may deform when traversed, Hitman 3 (outside a mansion? lets play), Horizon (digital foundry, sneaking in tall grass), Witcher 3 (someone else on yt trying to rank encoders, running through tall grass), and GoW Ragnarok (lets play, described above).. I'd take a stab in the dark and say maybe a Creed game would have one like that but I haven't played all these games myself yet. Perhaps you could incorporate scenes like it in your encoder videos.
It's a shame that the RX 6000 series doesn't have this AV1 codec.
The new dual media engine brings 8K60 AV1 encode/decode, simultaneous encode/decode for AVC/HEVC, AI-enhanced video encode, and a 1.8x engine frequency increase, which leads to up to 7x faster 8K transcoding with AV1 encode.
Thank you for the copypasta from the same thing I showed onscreen
@@EposVox sorry!!! I paused it when you said you didnt knwo what it was so i looked it up and then saw it lol
Literally the only thing in media I've cared about is archival. I used to transcode my ATSC recordings via CPU X264, because I got smaller file sizes compared to my 1080ti. Then the 5700XT ended up having way better H.265 than even RTX2000, it just didn't have the gaming performance I was after. I'd imagine that would still be just as good on 7000 series. I'm far more likely to stream to YT than twitch, so H.264 is basically meaningless to me.
What I always find missing in the DaVinci Resolve tests is how it does with the AI features that use NVIDIA's Tensor cores. If AMD would at least offer decent brute-force performance there I might actually consider AMD for content creation to compliment my 3900X.
Buying a AMD card is generally buying into a promise that never delivers fully on release. I'll be getting a XTX but no idea when or what one since stock is going to be non-existent here. _(plus a shit load of my money is in between accounts for some reason...)_
can u do an updated version of the video u made a couple months ago about streaming h264 but for amd h265 ?
My 4090 is on the way. Why am I watching this?!
Also, Eposvox, you see that new Earthworks mic?! Looks great!
New one? I'm not seeing anything about a new one anywhere
"When using speed... the preset-"
I think that problem you had with the 7900 XT's dual media engine might be a driver bug.
I've been fishing for answers forever. I own a 6900XT with 10900k. I was dual streaming to my 2080 super laptop nvenc, but I think QSV is better quality at 8000 CBR? I wish I could just figure out the best option without purchasing an AV1 encoder. The data changes too much. NVENC P6 looks great at 8000 kbps but if QSV is better according to Netflix testing, I should probably use QSV right?
QSV is better on 12th and 13th Gen iGPUs and on Arc. 10th Gen (and 11th mostly) is not better than Turing Nvenc in game streaming uses
@@EposVox Thank you I really appreciate the fast reply! Also thanks for everything in general
Again a very good video, thank you
what bit rate did you record with amd AV1 codec probably low
Disclosed on every sample
@@EposVox what about export is it also in high bit rate cause i learned that problem the hard way
Learned what problem?
@@EposVox that recording needs to be in high bit rate and exported files also need to be in high bit rate as well and i mean 80mbps atleast
and try to trick youtubes dumb codec into not destroying the quality of videos
You definitely don't need to export at 80mbps for AV1 for TH-cam videos
Looks quite good for Resolve at least!
So the XTX may actually be able to compete with the 4080 for a much lower price?
Sad to see their encoders still suck.
Quite impressed with the H265 (Main 10 profile) on the M1 Max, so good!
can u link me your video you made for the XTX please?
Since Twitch will get support AV1 in 2024, will we get a updated version of this video across all vendors?
Who says Twitch will definitely support it?
I saw AMD had updated their hardware encoding a few months back and that OBS supports it now. How does it compare now? 6800xt user who will probably hold off another year before considering upgrading.
Video covering that is linked in the description/end card
First , btw I came here looking for a way to stream on twitch using 265 HEVC, in one your video you stated that you need plugins with obs, I'm still searching for it.
Edit: I misunderstood the thumbail in : OBS NVENC AV1 Beta is HERE! Discord AV1 & Virtual Camera Updates , I thought it was Streaming settings when it was in reality recording settings. My mistake.
StreamFX plugin allows you to use h265. (edit: I only use it to record. See other responses for what can be used to stream)
As far as I know Twitch can't ingest h265/HEVC so what you want would be impossible.
You can encode the local recording using h265/HEVC on OBS though and stream to TH-cam too but you need to use HLS instead of RTMP(S) for that.
Twitch cannot use it at all. I never said otherwise. It’s TH-cam that can accept it, which OBS 28 now lets you use as covered in my videos there
I misunderstood the thumbail in : OBS NVENC AV1 Beta is HERE! Discord AV1 & Virtual Camera Updates , I thought it was Streaming settings when it was in reality recording settings. My mistake.
Damn youtube is brutal on the noise in your shadows.
I wish they had sent you a review card, as it seems like you're the only person out here testing encode/decode features. 4K180 AVC/HEVC encoding is only available if you do 4:2:0 I think, same with 4K240 AV1. Also, the page where you show the ffmpeg options seems to correlate to your findings of Speed vs Quality vs High Quality presets - they say Speed will go up to 8K60fps, and the others go up to 1080p60fps, so maybe those settings are already baked in to the OBS presets you were using?
I wasn’t specific but my tests for 240fps etc were at 4:2:0
All of my actual performance/scaling talk was at 4:2:0
@@EposVox ah okay, I'll look into it myself when my 7900 XT reference gets here and report back - hopefully the ffmpeg patches are live by then.
Finally got to watch this! A bit disappointed that 4k60 is not possible on High preset, but I suppose if the quality of Speed encoding is still good, it's okay? I am excited for testing of quality of all the presets and all the good stuff coming up now that you have your card at home! Thanks a lot for your effort in making these
It's me again :P I'll be returning the A380 as Intel Support wasn't able to fix anything. I suspect the card is broken. I'm on a dual system, so one PC just for streaming/encoding. How do you feel a 2950X with two GPUs for encoding would work? Then I could maybe encode for the stream how I do now with the RTX 2060, and use the other card for the best quality encoding at the same time, which the RTX 2060 won't do now, it locks up OBS, and if I want to do 120 FPS clip saving, it also won't work. I was wondering about the RX 7600 (or maybe the RTX 4060, or maybe evne the A380 if I get a working one and it actually works), it's slightly more expensive) for the local high bit rate recording (QVP at 18 is what I've been using for local recordings at 60 FPS (had to set CBR for 120 FPS cause QVP is too slow at encoding). And swap around when AV1 becomes a thing on Twitch.
For a one PC system, two cards, one for gaming, one for encoding) isn't so good from what I gather, but for a dedicated stream PC, maybe?
It's a step in the right direction for AMD.
This is tangential, but I would LOVE to see the PS5 Pro and XBOX Series Pro getting dedicated encoding support. There's huge potential for better content if the 'mere' above average gamer has the tools to capture impressive quality footage. AMD has decent enough tech now, do it Sony and Microsoft!!
Heh, we can dream. Current capture quality isn't great - though IIRC PS5 I think can record VP9
About 4:4:4 support; you said in your recent Nvidia video that you could just record upscaled 4:2:0. If that's the case, there is only an issue if you want to record 4:4:4 from an 8K native source, correct? (Since all of these encoders cap at 8K). Maybe when you update your general high-quality recording guide, you could add some clarity on upscaling vs 4:4:4. Right now my understanding is that upscaling is the "easier" approach for both the user and the hardware.
Can you test dual encoder on Davince and compare with single encoder?
This card doesn’t have dual encoders.
5:00 just a question, when did you last look at this.. Seems like these have been features for 3+ years by now.
Date was literally shown on screen lol
@@EposVox well year. But yeah fair enough. 😁. I'll admit I listen to your videos while doing other tasks, so the imagery is secondary unless specifically told to look at the screen 🤣.
I will wait for your later video on this when you have the card, sounds like its a good step forward but slightly short still. Some will jump some will remain. I might still remain on Nvidia though.
That really sucks they didn't hook you up with one. NVIDIA we go i guess.
Finally, I been waiting to recommend AMD gpu to streamers. I feel like they dropped the ball when they were like "Streaming 🤷"
When will h265 streaming support come to 6000 series? I have a 6700xt but I am considering selling it because there is no information about this condition.
Already has it. You can only stream hevc to TH-cam with HLS. Twitch doesn’t support it. But that was added in OBS 28
@@EposVox and what about the 5700xt is it any good for streaming, did it benefit from software upgrades?
I gotta say that 3 way comparison footage AV1 didnt always look better on Nvidia compared to AMD even, some signs looked the more blurrier on Nvidia and then I could see some weird artifacts on things like the cannons on Nvidia.
thank you for your video? im not 100% sure i understood though. so in other words, with a sufficient rest of pc setup of course, would a 7900 card be good enough to game in 1440p and conveniently stream-encode ONE (not 6 :D) session, finally?
What?
"can the 7900 encode a 1440p stream properly like only RTX cards used to"@@8020Alive
very amazing video
Isn't there way more powerful 7900 xtx models on the way??
Is it just me or AMD encoder is better for rx 6000 series? Because 5 months ago i stream and it have blocky noise etc, now I can barely see it.
Literally said it was better in this video lol
@@EposVox Do you have any guides on OBS Bframes for RX 6000 series for streaming?
1:10 The seer speed at which you switch to the next slide cuz 7900 XT was noticeably better than even the RTX 4090 is embarrassing
When one test (and not one that’s even a GPU bound test) result out of a dozen shows something like that, that’s called an anomaly and most likely not accurate. I always skip through the “media score” charts, as they’re not super useful
Maniac cat though 😂
Not a gamer.......from the world of post-production........does this mean that the 7900xt will give the same kind of performance or better than the 3090………if so that’s great
"When using speed... the preset" 🤣
thanks
does anyone have a setting to advise me to record in 1440p 60 with av1? cqp20 and cqp16 exhibit frame drop on 7900xt. I suspect that my settings are not good lol
Well. At least AMD its getting better at one of his weak points.
LETS GO
Zoomies are the best, unless your trying to sleep.
Or record
Why are your vmaf figures here show a much larger gap between AMF and NVENC than your previous video that you referenced in this video? In the previous video, you stated that there was around 8-10% difference in VMAF scores but it seems much higher in this instance. Is it related to the particular footage that you used?
isnt the xtx a grip rn
This encoder will be able for RX6000 series?
RX6000 does not have an AV1 encoder, no
I actually swapped to Nvidia recently. And I do miss the AMD driver/ software.
Good to see there doing better in streaming now. Hope you get your hands on one soon.
Yeah, Nvidia's controlepanel is so ancient, it's slow and laggy and misses about 50 options compare to AMD.
solid vid, thanks man, just too bad these new cards dont seem to be worth the money either.
But still RElive can't record HDR without problems. It is just not working.
Problems are inherent to HDR