Really interesting discussion. I didn't know Grand Strategy games were 10% of the top 100 games on Steam. That's huge! I've always considered strategy games something too nerdy to be mainstream, but over the decades I realized that a lot of players out of the bubble actually love them. I have great hopes about Ara. For what I've seen so far, it combines the best elements of a 4x game with the craft system common in games that simulates production chain. It's exactly something that I always hoped to see in a Civ installment.
I always love Stellaris- I loved tons of 4x games before then, but Stellaris is more of a grand strategy; my problem with most grand strategies is you are given a country that is already made and ready to go- meaning that all those systems in play, if you don't know what you are doing will eff you up before you realise why you screwed up. Stellaris was different, as it starts from the dawn of a new civ, you can slowly learn each element through each playstyle until you finally have a complete picture. The reason I never got into other grand strategies is I always had a harder time with that; with ara I am excited since it feels more complex than a normal 4x but still starts at the beginning. It really feels similar to stellaris in the best way possible and I look forward to it. Also, hearing you say how much you love Civ4 and Wonders helps, because I too love Civ 4 most of all- and wonders. Really excited about this one.
Agree with you on 4X. There are 4X that have not diplomacy, like Warhammer 40k Gladius, full war, and it's as clone of Civilization in a single era as a game can be :D So yes Might and magic is a 4X
an era ago some Empire II got me into tactical/strategy games. loved it, but with time drifted more into grand strategy/4x. looks like ARA will take us into the next chapter
Civ 2 was my first, but my memory of playing it is very hazy. I've got great memories of playing Civ 3 and 4 though. I'm working on getting some mods to work with Civ 3 right now.
"Dont nickpick everything, let's go with vibes" says the guy who spends 40 minutes in a game play in the menu checking if it has custom keybinding or not and will call a game crap if it doesn't.
My first 4x was Civ 1 on the Amiga. I have many fond memories playing it with my father, alternating turns between us. I've always stuck with Civ as I loved it, but after the death of real world maps and true (ish) history I've lost faith. With ARA I have hope again and if I see a real world map with true start locations then I'm going to be thrilled!
@@oufukubinta ara is not rts at all. Paradox interactive games when played online maybe but not this game. Rts going non-stop. Here you need to endturn still. It is called asynchronic mp not synchronic like Chess fof example as far as I get it. RoN is rts it is basically like warcraft 3.
This is what's wrong with some gamers, they haven't even played the game yet, heck there is barely footage, but already moaning and whining about longevity of the game. Pretty sure you overestimate how many people actually use mods for these kind of games anyways.
@@ThaGamingMisfit I've been playing civ 6 and a lot of mods change the game and make it more exciting even without dlcs. I also create mods that thousands use every game they have. I don't think its bad to have an idea if they would support mods.
@@bmrigs And Civ 7 has "Uncontrolled gameplay videos"? What does that even mean? How many games show you everything in a game before release? What do you want to see the whole game beginnning to end lol? Most of the basic systems are well known enough to see how the game plays. If the game fails oh well its no big deal. If its great we will know in acouple days. I mean if you preordered and it stinks thats on you
@@Adol666 Don't act like you don't know. They didn't allow some oontent creators play though all eras. It is a big deal if you bought it after it comes out and play it past the few hours Steam allows for a refund and then you are screwed. Im not preodering it but would like a decent playthrough as many others on here to make an informed purchase.
@@bmrigs Then dont preorder or buy it for a day or two and wait for the guinea pigs to play it. You'll have plenty of an Informed purchase acouple days after release. If you buy it after release and dont like it you have no right to complain. People are going to play it and real reviews drop on Sept 23rd. Do you just need this game on Day 1? Is youre life soooo devoid of things to do that you have to play it? Stop becoming emotionally invested in these games. Ill tell you right now if you dont like production chains just dont buy it
And here I thought this was going to be about Ara itself and not some discussion about 4x in general that could of been talked about 10 months ago. Five days away from launch and this is what we get. Inexcusable.
You didn't get sufficient discussion of "Ara itself," whatever that means, in the previous 22 episodes? I do single player pretty exclusively & don't spend much time on behind the scenes, much less player commentary (bc I tend to get drawn into pointless arguments with entitled haters), so terms like 4X can easily become common before I've ever heard of them. Point being, I appreciated this, and there are lots of other episodes that prob have lots of what you prefer.
it uses their inhouse oxide engine, the fame of ashes of the singularity and their space techdemo. They have been pivital in DX technologies and displaying what they are capable of. In this game, there is a bunch of tiny units. Other engines would bend to their knees.
Ahh it’s not hard. Grand strategy is about scope.. it’s on a national level rather than then operational or tactical level. There are 4x that are more limited in scope like the 40K 4x. Then there are grand strategy that are not 4x , like the once that deal with world wars
The game looks awesome can't wait to play it in a few days (cancel that, refunded the game because of the devs changing the gender of historical characters. As much as I was so excited to play this game I cant support that.) I honestly hope the game bombs tbh.
"4X Walmart" Business/tycoon games. Compete against other businesses, maybe collude, interact with other types of organizations. It actually makes good sense, and has kind of been done before. :)
Really interesting discussion. I didn't know Grand Strategy games were 10% of the top 100 games on Steam. That's huge! I've always considered strategy games something too nerdy to be mainstream, but over the decades I realized that a lot of players out of the bubble actually love them. I have great hopes about Ara. For what I've seen so far, it combines the best elements of a 4x game with the craft system common in games that simulates production chain. It's exactly something that I always hoped to see in a Civ installment.
PC players LOVE their advanced solitaire.
I always love Stellaris- I loved tons of 4x games before then, but Stellaris is more of a grand strategy; my problem with most grand strategies is you are given a country that is already made and ready to go- meaning that all those systems in play, if you don't know what you are doing will eff you up before you realise why you screwed up.
Stellaris was different, as it starts from the dawn of a new civ, you can slowly learn each element through each playstyle until you finally have a complete picture. The reason I never got into other grand strategies is I always had a harder time with that; with ara I am excited since it feels more complex than a normal 4x but still starts at the beginning. It really feels similar to stellaris in the best way possible and I look forward to it.
Also, hearing you say how much you love Civ4 and Wonders helps, because I too love Civ 4 most of all- and wonders. Really excited about this one.
Hey great to see you guys pushing out content!
Agree with you on 4X.
There are 4X that have not diplomacy, like Warhammer 40k Gladius, full war, and it's as clone of Civilization in a single era as a game can be :D
So yes Might and magic is a 4X
Sometimes when Steven talks, I think I’ve accidentally hit the 2x speed button…. 😂
I just played the video at .75 speed and he sounds normal.
It is an odd choice that they sped his speech up a bit.
@@Cris1Maccrazy too, ‘cause Gamerzakh and all the audio is noticeably slower @.75
Fast talker, man 😂
I only have that with PotatoMcWhiskey, I can't listen to that guy at normal speed.
an era ago some Empire II got me into tactical/strategy games. loved it, but with time drifted more into grand strategy/4x. looks like ARA will take us into the next chapter
"it did take me about 10 hours to get the game"
Paradox Interactive: "That's cute"
Incunabula that's really gaming archology... heard about that never played.
Nemesis of the Roman Empire! Played that.
This Game Looks Incredible!!!!
Civ 2 was my first, but my memory of playing it is very hazy. I've got great memories of playing Civ 3 and 4 though. I'm working on getting some mods to work with Civ 3 right now.
"Dont nickpick everything, let's go with vibes"
says the guy who spends 40 minutes in a game play in the menu checking if it has custom keybinding or not and will call a game crap if it doesn't.
Modern games? No no dont mention that LOL 🤣
Its good to see that there are veterans here.
My first 4x was Civ 1 on the Amiga. I have many fond memories playing it with my father, alternating turns between us. I've always stuck with Civ as I loved it, but after the death of real world maps and true (ish) history I've lost faith. With ARA I have hope again and if I see a real world map with true start locations then I'm going to be thrilled!
Make RTS Great Again
yeah, remember Rise of Nations
AoE4 is the pinnacle of RTS. ARA will in a sense be more like an RTS than a traditional turn based game since everyone's turn is at the same time
They're giving historical leaders pronouns and making them "non binary"...
Unfortunately, they're making "they/them" leaders ...
@@oufukubinta ara is not rts at all. Paradox interactive games when played online maybe but not this game. Rts going non-stop. Here you need to endturn still. It is called asynchronic mp not synchronic like Chess fof example as far as I get it. RoN is rts it is basically like warcraft 3.
I watched the whole thing but I feel cheated that the whole 23 minute video had no direct connection to ARA. I didn't learn anything new
Can we get information on mod support for this game? Mod support is one of the vital features for sustainability
This is what's wrong with some gamers, they haven't even played the game yet, heck there is barely footage, but already moaning and whining about longevity of the game. Pretty sure you overestimate how many people actually use mods for these kind of games anyways.
@@ThaGamingMisfit I've been playing civ 6 and a lot of mods change the game and make it more exciting even without dlcs. I also create mods that thousands use every game they have. I don't think its bad to have an idea if they would support mods.
I started with "colonial conquest" on atari.... a while ago. I feel so old, now :)
When Gameplay footages?
There are already a bunch of gameplay videos
@@Adol666 No, uncontolled gameplay videos.
@@bmrigs And Civ 7 has "Uncontrolled gameplay videos"? What does that even mean? How many games show you everything in a game before release? What do you want to see the whole game beginnning to end lol? Most of the basic systems are well known enough to see how the game plays. If the game fails oh well its no big deal. If its great we will know in acouple days. I mean if you preordered and it stinks thats on you
@@Adol666 Don't act like you don't know. They didn't allow some oontent creators play though all eras. It is a big deal if you bought it after it comes out and play it past the few hours Steam allows for a refund and then you are screwed. Im not preodering it but would like a decent playthrough as many others on here to make an informed purchase.
@@bmrigs Then dont preorder or buy it for a day or two and wait for the guinea pigs to play it. You'll have plenty of an Informed purchase acouple days after release. If you buy it after release and dont like it you have no right to complain. People are going to play it and real reviews drop on Sept 23rd. Do you just need this game on Day 1? Is youre life soooo devoid of things to do that you have to play it? Stop becoming emotionally invested in these games. Ill tell you right now if you dont like production chains just dont buy it
my first 4x was empire on my dads apple II E. I dare anyone to come up with an older 4x :)
And here I thought this was going to be about Ara itself and not some discussion about 4x in general that could of been talked about 10 months ago. Five days away from launch and this is what we get. Inexcusable.
You didn't get sufficient discussion of "Ara itself," whatever that means, in the previous 22 episodes? I do single player pretty exclusively & don't spend much time on behind the scenes, much less player commentary (bc I tend to get drawn into pointless arguments with entitled haters), so terms like 4X can easily become common before I've ever heard of them. Point being, I appreciated this, and there are lots of other episodes that prob have lots of what you prefer.
Hey Devs, I am trying to pre-install it on Game Pass but getting an error. Progress is at 0% and it says Error 0%. Can someone please help?
Haven’t watch video yet, but doesn’t this game use a custom game engine designed just for it, or something like that?
it uses their inhouse oxide engine, the fame of ashes of the singularity and their space techdemo. They have been pivital in DX technologies and displaying what they are capable of. In this game, there is a bunch of tiny units. Other engines would bend to their knees.
Add Turks to the game!
Why did you decided that Turks are not in the game? Hurrem Sultan will be nice as one of the Turkish leaders imo.
@@torrvic1156
They made a list in civilization forums. They identified every leader.
Ahh it’s not hard. Grand strategy is about scope.. it’s on a national level rather than then operational or tactical level. There are 4x that are more limited in scope like the 40K 4x. Then there are grand strategy that are not 4x , like the once that deal with world wars
What the.... talk about the flipping game
dont talk, show us all this "good things".
Minecraft is a 4x game.
Looks more interesting than civ VII
The game looks awesome can't wait to play it in a few days (cancel that, refunded the game because of the devs changing the gender of historical characters. As much as I was so excited to play this game I cant support that.) I honestly hope the game bombs tbh.
What a waste of time.
First
>:(!!!! Whatever!!
"4X Walmart"
Business/tycoon games. Compete against other businesses, maybe collude, interact with other types of organizations. It actually makes good sense, and has kind of been done before. :)
I would kill for a digital version of fast-food chain magnate
the good old days