Victor, you wrote this eleven months ago but I feel the need to comment. The fact that Ronald Moore was in exactly the right place & time and was dating exactly the right person-all the planets aligned right when he needed them to-and that hasn’t happened for you, does not in any way mean you’re a failure. Ten-million people, each one as worthy & deserving as all the others, will each buy a lottery-ticket but only one (or maybe two or three) will win. Of course, Ronald Moore had to have had a certain amount of talent & ability, but even that involved “winning a lottery,” to a certain extent. And I greatly admire the fact that he took the initiative to write that spec-script, take it with him, and make his “elevator pitch” to a complete stranger. “Never in a million years” would it have occurred to me to do that. Until watching this video I had no idea that was even an option. I would’ve thought there was some formal application process/protocol that prospective writers had to follow precisely. I’m 62 and in the process of retiring. I guess I’m experiencing a late middle-age “crisis.” I’ve had two careers, each of which has a pension. I’m (very minimally) a millionaire and have no debt at all, to include I own my home outright. I have two sons ages 32 & 34 who have turned out well. I have two delightful grandchildren. We’re all in good health. But I’m not satisfied. I obsess about all the opportunities I’ve missed, all the people I’ve wrong and all the people who have wronged me, even though I know that had my life unfolded any way other than the way it did I wouldn’t have my sons & grandchildren. My sons & grandchildren aside, for me to have had a significantly better life, when faced with all those “fork in the road” major life decisions we encounter, I would’ve had to have had information that in fact I wasn’t in possession of. In some cases the information existed but I didn’t have it, and maybe didn’t know that I didn’t have it. I didn’t know what questions to ask. In other cases there was no way to know what the outcome of a choice would be except to “dive in” and find out. Oh well. Someone once said, “We always want what we haven’t got.” No matter how much we have we tend to obsess about what we don’t have. Victor, take it from a 62-year-old, you’re too young to think of yourself as a failure. We spend our twenties figuring out who we are and what our niche in life is going to be. Don’t give up. As Woody Allen said, “Eighty percent of life is just showing up,” i.e. consistently making the effort. Best of luck to you. -Jeff
Yeah? What do you think that all those ST writers were eating, and how they lived, when they did all those killer shifts in order to meet the deadlines? :-D
@@JeffTY77450 Hi I am 41 and have a military pension and no debt. I don't ever have to work again. Yet, I often feel like a failure. I can do anything I want yet instead of pursuing something creative I'm looking for a safer option like a State or Federal job. I just love what you wrote. Thanks man.
Considering how hard Ron Moore fought to get “Family” produced so there could be a necessary aftermath of “The Best of Both Worlds,” it makes perfect sense why he was offered to move to DS9. Such a great interview!
BSG reboot was brilliant, but OTOH I curse him because (without wanting to) he forever changed the SF landscape and that is how you got an eyeball being removed on screen in Picard. If you haven't seen it check out macFarlane's ST AKA Orville.
Actually I don't really like the writer's commentary on a lot of the TNG movies. They sit there and badmouth through out the whole movie, pointing out flaws, and making fun of the characters in not so heartfelt ways. Kind of a turn-off. In Generations they sit and laugh at Picard as he was crying over the little family he had left dying in a fire. They kept joking about how pathetic he was etc. The worst commentary though, was Rick Berman's commentary on Nemesis. Apparently he had many disagreements with the director, and he kinda petty about it. Pointed everything he thought was wrong etc. I appreciate honesty, but if you hate a movie so much that you have to sit and badmouth it, down to washing your hands of it... then... GTFO... don't do the commentary either. Obviously someone who watches is bought the movie and liked it.
It's truly amazing. The entire crew was the same: Ron and Braga as writers, David Carson directing, even Dennis McCarthy as a composer. It really is a testament of studio and actors interference in the movie side of the things.
@@risteepeder Think of this way: the execs were DEADSET on getting Kirk and Picard together for Kirk to metaphorically 'pass the torch' and that was always going to be awkward. Either they use a time travel device or try something different (like the Nexus.) If you ask me, getting the captains in the same space without the movie seeming like a cheap tv crossover cannot be done. A better way to do it - imho- would be have continuity between Kirk's final mission and Picard's current mission and have a thematic 'passing of the torch' there. However, again, execs, deadset: Picard and Kirk in the same time, same place yet Kirk is still the Kirk from Star Trek VI.... I'm not sure who /could/ make a good movie out of that.
@@My2Cents1 Well, but Nemesis was, and still is, an incredible failure. Like, vast majority of people think the same, which includes the fans, casual audiences, pro critics, insiders, and other people from the trade. The film simply does not work as a standalone piece of cinema and it also does not work very well as an instalment in the larger Star Trek Universe's continuity. And I have also owned it on a DVD for many years, but only because it is a part of Star Trek and that is it. For example I also own the Final Frontier, which is another piece of stinky garbage. P.S. - I found Berman's commentary on Nemesis mostly spot-on and my general opinions about that guy himself are... let's say... somewhat polarizing.
Best episode of DS9 has to the Romulian senators death, with Sisko and Garak, he explains his motivations, his need to get them into the war. And ends with the line "I can live with it" trying to convince us and himself, "computer delete that entire log entry" just perfect dark edgy mood and great monologues.
@TIG5574 He did Helix as well for Syfy. Wasn't well-known either. Interesting premise but a slightly wonky execution. Nice twist on the zombie genre, though.
The damage Kurzman caused on Star Trek is really hard to reverse. It would have to be a complete reboot. But I think Moore has moved on and its great for him. BSG was a brilliant show for example. Also I dont think he wants to get involved into this stupid political mess of who owns what in the franchise and what you are allowed to do and what not. Good Trek is dead and its following a trend as they have also butchered so many other iconic franchises along the way. The great thing is that there are hundreds of hours of TNG, DS9, VOY and even a bit of ENT that we can go back to and enjoy the good old days when Star Trek meant something to all of us.
The DVD/Blu-ray commentary for "Generations" explains a lot. Moore and Braga were given a huge laundry list of nonsense that the movie was required to contain. They weren't allowed to write the story they wanted to write.
Black screen with amber lettering, larger floppies. Oh my. I remember those days! I remember Ron on the AOL trek boards too. (I was one of the moderators). Amazing time.
I have a friend who never watched Star Trek, she was aware of it but never watched. After he disappointment in the ending of Game of Thrones she was searing for a new show to binge. I suggested DS9. Showed her a few select episodes and turned her into a fan.
I'm currently rewatching TNG. Every 3 or 4 episodes I watch a random DS9 episode to clear my head! "The red headed stepchild" was, is and always be awesome on every aspect!
I don’t think Star Trek can exist now like it did back then. Producers think everything needs to be non stop sex and violence and death with multiple explosions and no let up of revelations or U-Turns in the stories and character personalities. Star Trek NG, DS9 and VOY was a lot quainter. We knew who the good guys were and how they would eventually solve the problem without betraying their beliefs or their crewmates. They were a family like on Cheers or The Muppets that gave us comfort to be part of. I wouldn’t say either type of storytelling is better than the other (imagine GoT where the heroes always win), but I do think you can’t do Star Trek without that Roddenberry morality.
Oh I don't know about that. "The Orville" seems to be doing a quite fine job of being just what you describe. It really is Star Trek to me, these days.
I think you’re absolutely right. I’m feeling more and more as thought I’m being sold a Big Mac and when I open the wrapper it’s a pickle. Pickles are fine, but definitely not what I ordered. I ordered Star Trek!
Except for you know, Kira defending the bombing of Cardassian civillians and children and Odo erasing an entire planet worth of people to save his waifu. Or what about Sisko and being an accessory to murder? Why lump DS9 into that list if you clearly haven't watched it?
GetterRay I have watched DS9 multiple times. Admittedly the line is less defined in DS9, but there is still a morality tale there. Kira suffered with her conscience multiple times over things that she did in the past- she struggled with her guilt in DS9, admitted she had done things she wasn’t proud of and became a better person. In the future planet story, Future Odo changed the past, not current Odo. And he did so for love and his own beliefs. He didn’t kill the descendants on that planet, he made sure those on the Defiant all lived, and got to go back home to their loved ones. He did what she thought was right. As for In The Pale Moonlight, it is the defining morality tale of Star Trek where the Captain REALLY breaks the rules, or at least turns a blind eye about it. But there is still a morality about it as you can tell the guilt he feels. But it’s still not Lost/GoT/Breaking Bad/Battlestar Galactica level of doing something bad for your own purposes because you have a much lower moral standard.
I really wish they had used the storyline of All Good Things for the new Picard show. Would have been a great way to start the new show, with Geordi meeting Picard and Picard thinking that Q is going to pop up any moment. The way they wrote Picard Show put me off Star Trek and in my opinion crapped over TNG.
The author James Blish made a comment for his book adaptations of ST-TOS that said that he scattered the episodes of TOS seasons around so that the individual compilation volumes didn't contain a concentration of one type of a story. Thus the apparent randomness to the selections.
So Tinman was a fan script huh! It's one of my all time fave episodes of tv, it really resonated with me, thank you fan fiction writer! I didn't like DS9 when it came out (wrote it off after the first season, which if we're honest, was pretty poor, man it gets so good though!), but it's my favourite Star Trek now, it's aged like fine wine!
Tin Man was the first TNG episode that felt like Star Trek to me. I love it still. The backstory to the episode is interesting. From wiki: (Tin Man) "was based on Bailey and Bichoff's 1976 short story and subsequent 1979 novel, Tin Woodman. Both the short story/novel and the episode are named for the Tin Woodman from L. Frank Baum's Oz books."
@@daniel385 Interesting info, the episode always spoke to me personally, that sense of destiny and there being a release and purpose for having endured so much torment and mental illness, never fitting in and that longing to find a person or people to belong to, I could relate! Data said it very well at the end "Is that the purpose of existence? To care for someone?" I would go a step further and say the reason for this life is to learn to love!
RDM should have been involved in bringing back Star Trek to TV. He would have made sure it was done right. Edit: also loved how he totally glossed over STD when asked if he watched that or Picard. I'm surprised he liked Picard though. That show isn't as bad as STD but it's damn close.
Ronald D Moore: the man who should be in overall charge of all NEW Trek. (Dump Kurtzman & Co - REPLACE with real, proven talent Moore or Behr or Shankar ---- PLEASE!!)
One thing I believe he took with him that he didn't mention was a bat'leth. I would have liked even more about his reaction to the new shows, though it was cool to hear him talk about Picard, even just a little bit.
Today's Trek writing is about justifying the immature impulsive expectations of a streaming audience. It keeps people inured. And frankly, I bet the writing is a lot easier, because the writers can be just as impulsive without carrying through something meaningful.
I've ... actually spoken (in an online forum, 2002ish) to one of Cher's audio engineers. He said to his amusement that she had Cher merchandise and pictures of herself all over her home. That's all lol.
Meh, I thought you were gonna drop some og knowledge that everyone already knows, like how the song sat on a tape for 11 or so years or how the audio engineer set the auto tune value to 0 & told everyone it was a new type of vocoder
I am glad that Moore got reigned in by Piller and Berman during his time on TNG. Otherwise this show would already be closer to today's "Discovery" or "Picard" and not as appealing. Star Trek needs writers like Michael Piller, who understand modern story telling but also the artistic philosophy behind Roddenberry's idea for what Star Trek should be: Pop culture's "I have a dream" of our times, showing a fictional future that should be, and not a present in a futuristic setting (much like MLK's speech was describing an utopian future that was fiction at that time).
I suspect that's overly-crediting them with ideological vision. No one here obviously appreciates that TNG was _of its time._ A Zeitgeist of optimism, wonder, adventure, charity, good will. ET, Cocoon, The Cosby Show, Care Bears, Live Aid, Comic Relief, Hands Across America, Just Say No, Michael Jackson, Oprah, left-wing alternative comedy, ...
Naw, he would only say that so that he doesn't get blacklisted by the woke sjw feminst communist take-over. "Oh yeah! I love Discover and Picard, uhuh! Sure! Absolutely loooove them!" Most people would say just about anything to keep their job.
I get the feeling that the folks behind Voyager weren't anywhere near as cutting edge as those behind TNG and, to a lesser extent, DS9. The STEM behind it is way weaker (not to mention kinda insulting to the real life scientists)
@@KumoCC -- Example? Literally everything about Discovery is crap. Even the commercial for the show before it first aired was crap. I could barely stand the horrid writing on most of Enterprise, but Discovery took bad writing to a whole new level of terrible.
While have not seen any Picard, (just reviews) Do wish Ronald D Moore was writing for Picard. Cuz so many fans and myself include feel that its just was TNG like enough. Simply because didn't have correct writers for the show. IMO Alex Kurtman does not know star trek imo.. But great video and interview..
Why wouldn't he? Just because some selfdeclared die hard fans have decided that everyone should hate it? I love TNG, DS9 and BSG. And I thought Picard was very enjoyable and I am looking forward to see more. There are some aspects that could have been better. But then again that was also the case about TNG, DS9 and BSG (there are some pretty boring episodes in all of them). P.S.: To make everyone her go mad: I also liked Discovery.
I find it super strange that people found DS9 to be the odd man out. To me Voyager was that show because of the weak cast outside of janeway and the Doctor. I totally understand how people viewed and view DS9 as less Star Trek like because it turned away from Roddenberry's utopic view but it was always great however defined and always better than Voyager.
Star Trek is at it's best as an episodic entity. Anything else, it ends up cannibalizing itself for content, like a pedestrian soap opera - which is patently disinteresting and ultimately limiting when it comes to exploring brave new worlds, new life, and boldly going where noone has gone before. How can a show do that, when with arcs and serialized writing it's about, (delivered in deep announcer voice), "Last Season, on the show that digests itself over and over, because we write about what we shit out over the run of the show."?
I disagree to an extent. DS9 was one of the best treks and that had arcs. it was not serialized the way some shows are today but certainly it developed over time.
@@CrankyGrandma, no, it's mostly "As The Trek Turns" - aka, "Wallow in the Drama Trek. ... Like crystals of dilithium through an hour episode, these are, The Days of DS9". It also marked the beginning of the notion of "Star Trek: The Future Sucks". Section 31, marked the embedding of "Cynical Trek" into Trek lore. You then have to go no further than the episode where baseball hag Cisco the Dingo and his valiant crew were one second away from murdering how many people? Cisco was NOT bluffing. He was, with his complicit Star Fleet crew, willing to kill a planet, if the Maquis dude hadn't gave in. Star Trek: The Ends Justifies the Means - is patently NOT Star Trek. Trek fans who dote over DS9, are the reason we got CBS apocalyptic Trek - Cynicism has no place in the future Gene Roddenberry gave us, save a theme to explore, but never ever ever, as part and parcel of Star Fleet nor Trek canon. DS9 took Gene Roddenberry's optimistic future, and rendered it trite.
I live in Britain, and Moore's BSG was the first series I ever saw direct from the USA. Until then, we had to wait for a season to be complete before we saw it, and it was a smooth viewing experience. I never realised that they started showing a season, before it was finished being made. I would watch 3 eps, and then a re-run would be shown, then 2 more, then a break for a week, then a re-run, then 2 more eps, then a re-run etc. That way the season went on for 9 months. Way too long. Our TV seasons, typically would run from 2 to 3 months.
What was it like to watch BSG in that period as a non-American watching a 9/11-resonant show? I'm convinced that the show's massive presence in the culture was because it perfectly captured the post-cataclysm shock of a post-9/11 society. But that was what it was like to experience it in the States. How's about over there?
I would have liked to know more about the differences between writing for a TV show and writing for a movie. And why some characters seemed to have changed. And if for the ST Picard they took the movie Picard, instead of the TV one.
serialization is killing story telling. especially when shows are 10 episodes or less. secondary characters don't any love. main characters regress for the sake of the plot(I'm looking at you arrowverse)
@TIG5574 firefly was episodic, but to reggie's point, the main thread was river and the dealings with the alliance. The movie was essentially the end of season one, had they had a full season we probably would have seen more connections with river and the alliance and reavers.
EVERYONE wants to help. Step 1. Enter current writer's room, eliminate them all. Step 2. Fire everybody else, everybody. 3. Put out an apology letter for Enterprise, Discover, and Picard. 4. Hire people who actually watch and love Star Trek up until the year 2000.
@@scocassovegetus Enterprise was actually getting really good right when they cancelled it. Picard wasn't bad either. It wasn't great but a lot of folks were knocking it for no reason.
Well that's the reason discovery flopped then, if you can get other people (fans) to brainstorm ideas on STNG and DS9, which basically tells you what the audience wants to see... Well that's a very powerful resource. Also alot of brain power you don't have to pay for. Maybe GoT needed the same, the 8th season would have be better.
Ronald must be shitting himself over the bad writing on Enterprise, then the ghastly horrid writing on Discovery, and just when you thought it couldn't get worse... Picard. If I were him, I would throw up after watching merely a preview of Discovery.
I agree about TNG. DS9 had Kira, Dax, Ezri, and Kasidy. They were all given great plot lines and lots of screen time, and they were all very different. Not so much for poor Troi and Crusher. By all accounts, a lot of the more sexist crap surrounding all the TNG era shows - particularly Enterprise - came from the head honcho of the whole franchise, Rick Berman, who’s a pretty awful misogynist if you read up on him. According most sources, he didn’t really like DS9, and he was more hands off with that show. Might account for why things went a little better on that one. (Apologies if you know all this!)
in TNG they had multiple future episodes.. i liked them all.. but the CBS Picard series, was god awful.. it just watched it to have a legitimate point. not just hate on something just for the sake of it.. i can bring up all the things from the nitpicking category to the Holy shit, what the actual fu.. is this level... i really dont understand the studio show-runners and writers..
Ronald D Moore is interesting, and accommodating and courteous, but the interviewer sucks, clearly lacking in knowledge or even basic prep (ex: not knowing that TNG had 26 episode seasons except for season 2, which was reduced due to a writer's strike -- this should just be basic homework/prep).
Ronald Moore was in his mid-20s writing for Star Trek. I'm in my mid-20s making instant ramen during quarantine. I've failed.
@The Cornfield He was dating someone who had access to the TNG set. Not exactly nepotism, just great luck and talent.
So start writing some screenplays.
Victor, you wrote this eleven months ago but I feel the need to comment. The fact that Ronald Moore was in exactly the right place & time and was dating exactly the right person-all the planets aligned right when he needed them to-and that hasn’t happened for you, does not in any way mean you’re a failure. Ten-million people, each one as worthy & deserving as all the others, will each buy a lottery-ticket but only one (or maybe two or three) will win.
Of course, Ronald Moore had to have had a certain amount of talent & ability, but even that involved “winning a lottery,” to a certain extent. And I greatly admire the fact that he took the initiative to write that spec-script, take it with him, and make his “elevator pitch” to a complete stranger. “Never in a million years” would it have occurred to me to do that. Until watching this video I had no idea that was even an option. I would’ve thought there was some formal application process/protocol that prospective writers had to follow precisely.
I’m 62 and in the process of retiring. I guess I’m experiencing a late middle-age “crisis.” I’ve had two careers, each of which has a pension. I’m (very minimally) a millionaire and have no debt at all, to include I own my home outright. I have two sons ages 32 & 34 who have turned out well. I have two delightful grandchildren. We’re all in good health. But I’m not satisfied. I obsess about all the opportunities I’ve missed, all the people I’ve wrong and all the people who have wronged me, even though I know that had my life unfolded any way other than the way it did I wouldn’t have my sons & grandchildren.
My sons & grandchildren aside, for me to have had a significantly better life, when faced with all those “fork in the road” major life decisions we encounter, I would’ve had to have had information that in fact I wasn’t in possession of. In some cases the information existed but I didn’t have it, and maybe didn’t know that I didn’t have it. I didn’t know what questions to ask. In other cases there was no way to know what the outcome of a choice would be except to “dive in” and find out.
Oh well. Someone once said, “We always want what we haven’t got.” No matter how much we have we tend to obsess about what we don’t have.
Victor, take it from a 62-year-old, you’re too young to think of yourself as a failure. We spend our twenties figuring out who we are and what our niche in life is going to be. Don’t give up. As Woody Allen said, “Eighty percent of life is just showing up,” i.e. consistently making the effort. Best of luck to you. -Jeff
Yeah?
What do you think that all those ST writers were eating, and how they lived, when they did all those killer shifts in order to meet the deadlines? :-D
@@JeffTY77450 Hi I am 41 and have a military pension and no debt. I don't ever have to work again. Yet, I often feel like a failure. I can do anything I want yet instead of pursuing something creative I'm looking for a safer option like a State or Federal job. I just love what you wrote. Thanks man.
Only Ronald D. Moore could get me to watch a Collider interview. (And the only one who could get me to watch Star Trek again)
Absolutely, the Trek franchise is trash now
Brilliant ideation guy. He probably saved the show in a lot of ways. NG is a classic.
Considering how hard Ron Moore fought to get “Family” produced so there could be a necessary aftermath of “The Best of Both Worlds,” it makes perfect sense why he was offered to move to DS9. Such a great interview!
Wake me up when he works on Star Trek again.
I'd watch the pitch they cam up with for season 8 of deep space nine in what we lef behind before you say that ......
Put me on the list aswell
BSG reboot was brilliant, but OTOH I curse him because (without wanting to) he forever changed the SF landscape and that is how you got an eyeball being removed on screen in Picard. If you haven't seen it check out macFarlane's ST AKA Orville.
"All Good Things" was so much better than "Generations"... with 4 weeks on the first and one year spent writing on the second.
Actually I don't really like the writer's commentary on a lot of the TNG movies. They sit there and badmouth through out the whole movie, pointing out flaws, and making fun of the characters in not so heartfelt ways. Kind of a turn-off. In Generations they sit and laugh at Picard as he was crying over the little family he had left dying in a fire. They kept joking about how pathetic he was etc.
The worst commentary though, was Rick Berman's commentary on Nemesis. Apparently he had many disagreements with the director, and he kinda petty about it. Pointed everything he thought was wrong etc. I appreciate honesty, but if you hate a movie so much that you have to sit and badmouth it, down to washing your hands of it... then... GTFO... don't do the commentary either. Obviously someone who watches is bought the movie and liked it.
It's truly amazing. The entire crew was the same: Ron and Braga as writers, David Carson directing, even Dennis McCarthy as a composer. It really is a testament of studio and actors interference in the movie side of the things.
@@risteepeder Think of this way: the execs were DEADSET on getting Kirk and Picard together for Kirk to metaphorically 'pass the torch' and that was always going to be awkward. Either they use a time travel device or try something different (like the Nexus.) If you ask me, getting the captains in the same space without the movie seeming like a cheap tv crossover cannot be done. A better way to do it - imho- would be have continuity between Kirk's final mission and Picard's current mission and have a thematic 'passing of the torch' there. However, again, execs, deadset: Picard and Kirk in the same time, same place yet Kirk is still the Kirk from Star Trek VI.... I'm not sure who /could/ make a good movie out of that.
@@My2Cents1
Well, but Nemesis was, and still is, an incredible failure.
Like, vast majority of people think the same, which includes the fans, casual audiences, pro critics, insiders, and other people from the trade. The film simply does not work as a standalone piece of cinema and it also does not work very well as an instalment in the larger Star Trek Universe's continuity.
And I have also owned it on a DVD for many years, but only because it is a part of Star Trek and that is it. For example I also own the Final Frontier, which is another piece of stinky garbage.
P.S. - I found Berman's commentary on Nemesis mostly spot-on and my general opinions about that guy himself are... let's say... somewhat polarizing.
There's something to be said for having to make decisions and commit to them under pressure.
The actors shooting those long hours, crazy! And yeah, 22 episodes a season was a full-time job.
More like 26 episodes a season.
Moore reminds me so much of George Lucas in his voice, mannerisms, and way of speaking.
He also looks quite a bit like him.
you mean his face reminds you
Really makes sense to me now why the quality of For all mankind is so good
Best episode of DS9 has to the Romulian senators death, with Sisko and Garak, he explains his motivations, his need to get them into the war. And ends with the line "I can live with it" trying to convince us and himself, "computer delete that entire log entry" just perfect dark edgy mood and great monologues.
*Sisko.
*Garak.
And Ron Moore helped rewrite that episode.
"Because I can live with it. I *can* live with it."
With TNG, DS9, VOY and Battlestar Galactica under his belt, CBS needs to kick Kurtzman out and bring in Moore.
Dude is over and done with Trek. Fuller was the better choice than Kurtzman.
@TIG5574 He did Helix as well for Syfy. Wasn't well-known either. Interesting premise but a slightly wonky execution. Nice twist on the zombie genre, though.
The damage Kurzman caused on Star Trek is really hard to reverse. It would have to be a complete reboot. But I think Moore has moved on and its great for him. BSG was a brilliant show for example. Also I dont think he wants to get involved into this stupid political mess of who owns what in the franchise and what you are allowed to do and what not. Good Trek is dead and its following a trend as they have also butchered so many other iconic franchises along the way. The great thing is that there are hundreds of hours of TNG, DS9, VOY and even a bit of ENT that we can go back to and enjoy the good old days when Star Trek meant something to all of us.
The DVD/Blu-ray commentary for "Generations" explains a lot. Moore and Braga were given a huge laundry list of nonsense that the movie was required to contain. They weren't allowed to write the story they wanted to write.
This paragraph summary explains a lot.
Black screen with amber lettering, larger floppies. Oh my. I remember those days! I remember Ron on the AOL trek boards too. (I was one of the moderators). Amazing time.
His Battlestar Galactica episode podcasts ~ are nothing short of amazing.
working for disney no less, how the gods have smiled on him. it makes me moist.
Can you imagine CBS now adopting a script idea from a member of the public! How times have changed.
DS9 is still my fave.
Peldor joi!
TAPESTRY from season 6 was a gem..
Good interview. It's hard to do live interview. Sweet and to the point.
I have a friend who never watched Star Trek, she was aware of it but never watched. After he disappointment in the ending of Game of Thrones she was searing for a new show to binge. I suggested DS9. Showed her a few select episodes and turned her into a fan.
DS9 is my favourite!
Peldor joi!
DS9 was the zenith of Star Trek.
"SO SAY WE ALL!!!!" 😉
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Too many battles in space
Meh. Lots of "dark and edgy," totally sabotaged by dorky Quark episodes :/
Moore needs to be doing the new Pike series!
I'm currently rewatching TNG. Every 3 or 4 episodes I watch a random DS9 episode to clear my head! "The red headed stepchild" was, is and always be awesome on every aspect!
I don’t think Star Trek can exist now like it did back then. Producers think everything needs to be non stop sex and violence and death with multiple explosions and no let up of revelations or U-Turns in the stories and character personalities.
Star Trek NG, DS9 and VOY was a lot quainter. We knew who the good guys were and how they would eventually solve the problem without betraying their beliefs or their crewmates. They were a family like on Cheers or The Muppets that gave us comfort to be part of. I wouldn’t say either type of storytelling is better than the other (imagine GoT where the heroes always win), but I do think you can’t do Star Trek without that Roddenberry morality.
Oh I don't know about that. "The Orville" seems to be doing a quite fine job of being just what you describe. It really is Star Trek to me, these days.
I think you’re absolutely right. I’m feeling more and more as thought I’m being sold a Big Mac and when I open the wrapper it’s a pickle. Pickles are fine, but definitely not what I ordered. I ordered Star Trek!
Except for you know, Kira defending the bombing of Cardassian civillians and children and Odo erasing an entire planet worth of people to save his waifu. Or what about Sisko and being an accessory to murder? Why lump DS9 into that list if you clearly haven't watched it?
GetterRay I have watched DS9 multiple times. Admittedly the line is less defined in DS9, but there is still a morality tale there. Kira suffered with her conscience multiple times over things that she did in the past- she struggled with her guilt in DS9, admitted she had done things she wasn’t proud of and became a better person. In the future planet story, Future Odo changed the past, not current Odo. And he did so for love and his own beliefs. He didn’t kill the descendants on that planet, he made sure those on the Defiant all lived, and got to go back home to their loved ones. He did what she thought was right.
As for In The Pale Moonlight, it is the defining morality tale of Star Trek where the Captain REALLY breaks the rules, or at least turns a blind eye about it. But there is still a morality about it as you can tell the guilt he feels. But it’s still not Lost/GoT/Breaking Bad/Battlestar Galactica level of doing something bad for your own purposes because you have a much lower moral standard.
RDM a star trek fan that managed to not write fan fiction but genuine great stories
I really wish they had used the storyline of All Good Things for the new Picard show. Would have been a great way to start the new show, with Geordi meeting Picard and Picard thinking that Q is going to pop up any moment. The way they wrote Picard Show put me off Star Trek and in my opinion crapped over TNG.
Amen to that.
Ron Moore wanted to accomplish far more than Star Trek would allow him to. They drove him away.
Thanks, Steven! Thanks, Ronald! 🌠
Damm I miss so much good old fashion star trek writing
This is great! Just wish it was longer, but I know you had so much else you wanted to cover with him.
The author James Blish made a comment for his book adaptations of ST-TOS that said that he scattered the episodes of TOS seasons around so that the individual compilation volumes didn't contain a concentration of one type of a story. Thus the apparent randomness to the selections.
I like the way Moore says "NextGen" rather than the alphabet soup "Tee Enn Jee." I do, too.
So Tinman was a fan script huh! It's one of my all time fave episodes of tv, it really resonated with me, thank you fan fiction writer!
I didn't like DS9 when it came out (wrote it off after the first season, which if we're honest, was pretty poor, man it gets so good though!), but it's my favourite Star Trek now, it's aged like fine wine!
Tin Man was the first TNG episode that felt like Star Trek to me. I love it still. The backstory to the episode is interesting. From wiki: (Tin Man) "was based on Bailey and Bichoff's 1976 short story and subsequent 1979 novel, Tin Woodman. Both the short story/novel and the episode are named for the Tin Woodman from L. Frank Baum's Oz books."
@@daniel385 Interesting info, the episode always spoke to me personally, that sense of destiny and there being a release and purpose for having endured so much torment and mental illness, never fitting in and that longing to find a person or people to belong to, I could relate!
Data said it very well at the end "Is that the purpose of existence? To care for someone?" I would go a step further and say the reason for this life is to learn to love!
RDM should have been involved in bringing back Star Trek to TV. He would have made sure it was done right.
Edit: also loved how he totally glossed over STD when asked if he watched that or Picard. I'm surprised he liked Picard though. That show isn't as bad as STD but it's damn close.
Alex Well, he just said diplomatically that he saw the premier and liked seeing old characters/actors back. Dont think he watched the mess afterwards.
In my opinion Picard is much worse than Discovery. It's one of the worst pieces of television I've ever seen.
@@desmondd1984 Totally agreed!
@@amiyaayima5027 Yeah I was gonna say, you could see on his face and by what he said that he was being diplomatic.
RDM is smart enough not to say what the rest of us would like to say about the Nu Trek even if he's secretly thinking the same inside.
Ron, we need you back. Badly. Star Trek is currently being absolutely MURDERED!!!
I like how he didn't say anything about Discovery lol.
I want more of ronald d morre plz tv come back to us
My favourite Trek writer. Beyond awesome!!!!!!!
Ronald D Moore: the man who should be in overall charge of all NEW Trek. (Dump Kurtzman & Co - REPLACE with real, proven talent Moore or Behr or Shankar ---- PLEASE!!)
I'd prefer Brian Fuller, who was the original showrunner for STD before they kicked him off for being too Star Trek.
John, agreed. STD, like Abrams’ trilogy, is an out-and-out *abomination*. Gene Roddenberry must be rolling over in his grave.
What a gigachad!!
One thing I believe he took with him that he didn't mention was a bat'leth.
I would have liked even more about his reaction to the new shows, though it was cool to hear him talk about Picard, even just a little bit.
Today's Trek writing is about justifying the immature impulsive expectations of a streaming audience. It keeps people inured. And frankly, I bet the writing is a lot easier, because the writers can be just as impulsive without carrying through something meaningful.
Has he ever posted the picture of his office with the gold ships? I went through his twitter account and could not find anything.
Surprise appearance by Cher's audio engineer
hahahahaha
I've ... actually spoken (in an online forum, 2002ish) to one of Cher's audio engineers.
He said to his amusement that she had Cher merchandise and pictures of herself all over her home.
That's all lol.
Meh, I thought you were gonna drop some og knowledge that everyone already knows, like how the song sat on a tape for 11 or so years or how the audio engineer set the auto tune value to 0 & told everyone it was a new type of vocoder
Netflix redeemed Deep Space Nine. Its problem was that it WAS ahead of its time due to the Long Form Narrative.
DS9 was a mixed show , it had the big over arcing war, but still managed to make separate contained episodes that added up to the overall story arc..
I'd love a 2nd segment discussing BSG.
"So, Ronald. How is it possible to do that many ass-pulls in a single run?"
I am glad that Moore got reigned in by Piller and Berman during his time on TNG. Otherwise this show would already be closer to today's "Discovery" or "Picard" and not as appealing. Star Trek needs writers like Michael Piller, who understand modern story telling but also the artistic philosophy behind Roddenberry's idea for what Star Trek should be: Pop culture's "I have a dream" of our times, showing a fictional future that should be, and not a present in a futuristic setting (much like MLK's speech was describing an utopian future that was fiction at that time).
I suspect that's overly-crediting them with ideological vision.
No one here obviously appreciates that TNG was _of its time._
A Zeitgeist of optimism, wonder, adventure, charity, good will.
ET, Cocoon, The Cosby Show, Care Bears, Live Aid, Comic Relief, Hands Across America, Just Say No, Michael Jackson, Oprah, left-wing alternative comedy, ...
He "loves" ST Picard so, not sure how much writing cred he really deserves anymore. Though I think he just said that to keep in CBS' good graces.
Naw, he would only say that so that he doesn't get blacklisted by the woke sjw feminst communist take-over. "Oh yeah! I love Discover and Picard, uhuh! Sure! Absolutely loooove them!" Most people would say just about anything to keep their job.
I get the feeling that the folks behind Voyager weren't anywhere near as cutting edge as those behind TNG and, to a lesser extent, DS9. The STEM behind it is way weaker (not to mention kinda insulting to the real life scientists)
they should have made all good things the first next gen movie
Odd how it ended. I bet he thinks Discovery is crap. Lol
I came here to comment exactly that
Discovery IS garbage. It's SJW/PC, gender-fluid, gender-neutral, gay agenda garbage.
@@notyou8716 example?
Yeah, he didn't even really try to hide it. It made me laugh, in fact.
@@KumoCC -- Example? Literally everything about Discovery is crap. Even the commercial for the show before it first aired was crap. I could barely stand the horrid writing on most of Enterprise, but Discovery took bad writing to a whole new level of terrible.
Gee I wish this dude had done discovery or axanar or even Picard, they might have worked then
I wish he was writing Star Trek instead of Alex Klutzman and Secret Hideout
While have not seen any Picard, (just reviews) Do wish Ronald D Moore was writing for Picard. Cuz so many fans and myself include feel that its just was TNG like enough. Simply because didn't have correct writers for the show. IMO Alex Kurtman does not know star trek imo..
But great video and interview..
How do you know when you haven't watched it?
I ❤ BSG
PLEASE PLEASE GIVE RDM THE REIGNS TO TREK PLS !!!
Best girlfriend ever
I wonder if Ron really did enjoy Picard.
Why wouldn't he? Just because some selfdeclared die hard fans have decided that everyone should hate it? I love TNG, DS9 and BSG. And I thought Picard was very enjoyable and I am looking forward to see more. There are some aspects that could have been better. But then again that was also the case about TNG, DS9 and BSG (there are some pretty boring episodes in all of them).
P.S.: To make everyone her go mad: I also liked Discovery.
Of course he didn't. Nobody enjoys it.
damn dude gotta go for that premium verizon
I find it super strange that people found DS9 to be the odd man out. To me Voyager was that show because of the weak cast outside of janeway and the Doctor. I totally understand how people viewed and view DS9 as less Star Trek like because it turned away from Roddenberry's utopic view but it was always great however defined and always better than Voyager.
Star Trek is at it's best as an episodic entity. Anything else, it ends up cannibalizing itself for content, like a pedestrian soap opera - which is patently disinteresting and ultimately limiting when it comes to exploring brave new worlds, new life, and boldly going where noone has gone before.
How can a show do that, when with arcs and serialized writing it's about, (delivered in deep announcer voice), "Last Season, on the show that digests itself over and over, because we write about what we shit out over the run of the show."?
I disagree to an extent. DS9 was one of the best treks and that had arcs. it was not serialized the way some shows are today but certainly it developed over time.
@@CrankyGrandma, no, it's mostly "As The Trek Turns" - aka, "Wallow in the Drama Trek.
... Like crystals of dilithium through an hour episode, these are, The Days of DS9".
It also marked the beginning of the notion of "Star Trek: The Future Sucks".
Section 31, marked the embedding of "Cynical Trek" into Trek lore.
You then have to go no further than the episode where baseball hag Cisco the Dingo and his valiant crew were one second away from murdering how many people? Cisco was NOT bluffing. He was, with his complicit Star Fleet crew, willing to kill a planet, if the Maquis dude hadn't gave in.
Star Trek: The Ends Justifies the Means - is patently NOT Star Trek.
Trek fans who dote over DS9, are the reason we got CBS apocalyptic Trek - Cynicism has no place in the future Gene Roddenberry gave us, save a theme to explore, but never ever ever, as part and parcel of Star Fleet nor Trek canon.
DS9 took Gene Roddenberry's optimistic future, and rendered it trite.
I live in Britain, and Moore's BSG was the first series I ever saw direct from the USA. Until then, we had to wait for a season to be complete before we saw it, and it was a smooth viewing experience. I never realised that they started showing a season, before it was finished being made. I would watch 3 eps, and then a re-run would be shown, then 2 more, then a break for a week, then a re-run, then 2 more eps, then a re-run etc. That way the season went on for 9 months. Way too long. Our TV seasons, typically would run from 2 to 3 months.
What was it like to watch BSG in that period as a non-American watching a 9/11-resonant show? I'm convinced that the show's massive presence in the culture was because it perfectly captured the post-cataclysm shock of a post-9/11 society. But that was what it was like to experience it in the States. How's about over there?
I would have liked to know more about the differences between writing for a TV show and writing for a movie. And why some characters seemed to have changed. And if for the ST Picard they took the movie Picard, instead of the TV one.
Ends kind of randomly. Didn’t want to show his thoughts on disco I guess.
serialization is killing story telling. especially when shows are 10 episodes or less. secondary characters don't any love. main characters regress for the sake of the plot(I'm looking at you arrowverse)
Firefly and The Mandalorian did it best. Contained episodes with a season long arc in the background of all of them.
@TIG5574 firefly was episodic, but to reggie's point, the main thread was river and the dealings with the alliance. The movie was essentially the end of season one, had they had a full season we probably would have seen more connections with river and the alliance and reavers.
26 episodes a year is not crazy, they've been doing it since the sixties that is a standard season for star trek.
10 episodes is a Mini series
Uh, the year is 2020. 22 episodes is now pushing it for network dreck. That's how it is.
I wish the guy was writing Starwars.
Does the video say why he would write the same 3-4 stories over and over?
No, because he doesn’t.
@@j.p.9522 He used to.
I want to help write Star Trek.
Would it have an optimistic vision for mankind's future?
EVERYONE wants to help. Step 1. Enter current writer's room, eliminate them all. Step 2. Fire everybody else, everybody. 3. Put out an apology letter for Enterprise, Discover, and Picard. 4. Hire people who actually watch and love Star Trek up until the year 2000.
@@scocassovegetus Enterprise was actually getting really good right when they cancelled it. Picard wasn't bad either. It wasn't great but a lot of folks were knocking it for no reason.
Well that's the reason discovery flopped then, if you can get other people (fans) to brainstorm ideas on STNG and DS9, which basically tells you what the audience wants to see... Well that's a very powerful resource. Also alot of brain power you don't have to pay for. Maybe GoT needed the same, the 8th season would have be better.
I wish he would replace Alex Kurtzman
You queered the deal with Generations.
Watching the trash that uses the 'Star Trek' name today, makes me appreciate the quality of writing of old all the more.
Where's my Outlander squad :]
Ronald must be shitting himself over the bad writing on Enterprise, then the ghastly horrid writing on Discovery, and just when you thought it couldn't get worse... Picard. If I were him, I would throw up after watching merely a preview of Discovery.
Great interview, though Picard was f*cking terrible. The writers really botched that one.
His transformation into George Lucas is well underway!
I appreciate your contributions, but I wish the women were just written stronger. That's my only complaint!
I agree about TNG. DS9 had Kira, Dax, Ezri, and Kasidy. They were all given great plot lines and lots of screen time, and they were all very different. Not so much for poor Troi and Crusher.
By all accounts, a lot of the more sexist crap surrounding all the TNG era shows - particularly Enterprise - came from the head honcho of the whole franchise, Rick Berman, who’s a pretty awful misogynist if you read up on him.
According most sources, he didn’t really like DS9, and he was more hands off with that show. Might account for why things went a little better on that one.
(Apologies if you know all this!)
@@jamesderosa2041 DS9's the one old Trek show that hasn't aged terribly when it comes to its female characters.
fredrika27
-- Go watch Discovery!!
in TNG they had multiple future episodes.. i liked them all.. but the CBS Picard series, was god awful.. it just watched it to have a legitimate point. not just hate on something just for the sake of it.. i can bring up all the things from the nitpicking category to the Holy shit, what the actual fu.. is this level... i really dont understand the studio show-runners and writers..
I had some hope, but wow, it was really terrible. Thankfully we have The Orville now.
lol
picard was total garbage
Sadly the star trek franchise is dead.
Ronald D Moore is interesting, and accommodating and courteous, but the interviewer sucks, clearly lacking in knowledge or even basic prep (ex: not knowing that TNG had 26 episode seasons except for season 2, which was reduced due to a writer's strike -- this should just be basic homework/prep).
wow, the interviewer really sucks
Yeah long character arc... like what Babylon 5 was doing.
I like these guys as writers Moore and Braga but i hated Generations and i hated These are the Voyages.
This interviewer is awful.