As a highly trained classical musician I wholeheartedly believe more movies need LESS music, or none at all. If you ho back and watch a film like 12 Angry Men, the tension in the silence is so profound. Modern movie makers would put some stupid score in and TELL us there is tension, music in films is really show don’t tell which interrupts in the realism of the shot imo. Now, the comment above is definitely dependent on genre
I think the Dogme movement is an intentional overcorrection of this symptom. Music can and does enhance what's happening onscreen, but it doesn't automatically make it better, and it's the careless imposition of music over scenes that would be better without it that is so frustrating.
Ten years from now the public will be utterly saturated with splendid but AI generated film. I foresee a revival of Dogme 95 in the next generation of film makers.
Perhaps it is the naïve optimism in me, but I don't think AI film will be anything more than a short-term gimmick. That being said, I wouldn't complain of a Dogme revival.
Here's the fallacy with the Dogma's manifesto on music...if a score is cheap manipulation then so is cinematography and editing. Music is just one of the many tools to craft a compelling narrative and if you can use the camera and the cut to do so, then why not music? Why not just have the camera in the wide and just shoot everything in one static frame with no cuts, no music, no nothing...hell if we take this to its logical extreme then even acting is cheap manipulation. I respect the Dogma 95 movement for being the pioneers or shooting films digitally and being at the forefront of the digital camera revolution, but their dislike of a score is strange.
There's certainly some truth to this - but I don't think Vinterberg or von Trier would disagree with you. The primary reason (as Vinterberg outlines in both the 2015 and 2016 interviews in the sources linked in the description) for the rules being chosen was that it was restriction for restriction's sake. They drew a very arbitrary line about what was, and what wasn't allowed - true. But they weren't pretending otherwise. The decision to pick some restrictions came first, and once that was done, they picked things that would push their films towards 'realism' - not necessarily with the goal of eliminating all manipulation from their films.
As a highly trained classical musician I wholeheartedly believe more movies need LESS music, or none at all. If you ho back and watch a film like 12 Angry Men, the tension in the silence is so profound. Modern movie makers would put some stupid score in and TELL us there is tension, music in films is really show don’t tell which interrupts in the realism of the shot imo.
Now, the comment above is definitely dependent on genre
Yeah in 12 angry men it works so well because it is a very realistc movie
No country for old men is another film with no music, it's also one of the most tense films of all time!
I think the Dogme movement is an intentional overcorrection of this symptom. Music can and does enhance what's happening onscreen, but it doesn't automatically make it better, and it's the careless imposition of music over scenes that would be better without it that is so frustrating.
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Ten years from now the public will be utterly saturated with splendid but AI generated film. I foresee a revival of Dogme 95 in the next generation of film makers.
Perhaps it is the naïve optimism in me, but I don't think AI film will be anything more than a short-term gimmick. That being said, I wouldn't complain of a Dogme revival.
Here's the fallacy with the Dogma's manifesto on music...if a score is cheap manipulation then so is cinematography and editing. Music is just one of the many tools to craft a compelling narrative and if you can use the camera and the cut to do so, then why not music? Why not just have the camera in the wide and just shoot everything in one static frame with no cuts, no music, no nothing...hell if we take this to its logical extreme then even acting is cheap manipulation.
I respect the Dogma 95 movement for being the pioneers or shooting films digitally and being at the forefront of the digital camera revolution, but their dislike of a score is strange.
There's certainly some truth to this - but I don't think Vinterberg or von Trier would disagree with you. The primary reason (as Vinterberg outlines in both the 2015 and 2016 interviews in the sources linked in the description) for the rules being chosen was that it was restriction for restriction's sake. They drew a very arbitrary line about what was, and what wasn't allowed - true. But they weren't pretending otherwise. The decision to pick some restrictions came first, and once that was done, they picked things that would push their films towards 'realism' - not necessarily with the goal of eliminating all manipulation from their films.