I'm just getting back in vinyl after a 15 year break and this video was incredibly helpful: I was sure about going with a MP110, but thought to "give TH-cam a try." This video put me square in the VM95 camp. So thank you for making it. And to any other reviewers doing a similar thing who happen to be reading: thank you for your work as well. I've watched a couple. It's fabulous having a resource for listening to cartridges, something that wasn't available to me back in the day.
Huge Nagaoka fan. I had the MP 110 and still use 150. But the AT VM95ML tracks quite a bit better with no sibilance, and has better channel separation. That makes a huge difference especially with second hand records. If your coming to AT from Nagaoka, keep in mind that it will sound bright and thin at first. You need time for ears to adjust to what I think is a more neutral presentation (not actually bright).
With my MP-110 I get too much static on the cart itself even when the the record is static free. Too many pops and clicks it driving me crazy even on clean records
AT are leaders in what they do. There are other ways to hear music if you wish to experiment for example Jico stylus' which in their respective forms can offer the very best value for money, in my opinion.
Also a huge Nagaoka fan. The MP110 is a legend and the high end styli they make with boron cantilevers are god like. I concur with your post here. A micro line styli can’t eliminate it but you will absolutely get less inner groove distortion with a Microline styli. Yes, a micro line styli will put less wear on vinyl grooves as claimed but it would take a PLETHORA of playback to notice any difference in wear vs a good quality elliptical(bi-radial) nude Diamond! The AudioTechnica micoroline offerings are very affordable for a styli of such high calibre compared to most worthy manufacturers. Every AT cart I’ve owned or auditioned sounds bright and I freaking love them. Other than AT & Nagaoka, GoldRing is my third favorite cartridge company of all time. Some of their higher compliance carts/styli sound outstanding when they’re setup properly (of course) with the proper azimuth/tracking angle.
So I bought both of them after reading the comments. Spent so far about half hr listening to both with Ella and Louis Cant We Be Friends. It confirmed pretty much what I heard on TH-cam. The AT has better separation, and better sound stage with depth. But the sound signature is off and unnatural. It sounds compressed, lacks warmth. The Nagoka sound is more accurate to what my Lyra Delos sounds like. But problem is the separation is almost none. It's such a 2D sound. I know I won't like the AT sound the way it presents vocals and even instruments like the sax which sounds small. Ughhh...I'll go listen some more and adjust setup to see if it makes any difference. Update: I didn't have the cartridges setup right initially. I'm using a Mitsubishi linear tracking to test. Not about to mess up my VPI setup. Now i got them in optimal position. The fullness improved. AT sounded a lot better. The detail and sound depth is pretty incredible for the price. It's better than the Nag for sure. But I think what's missing is the warm and bass extension. It seems to be a bit short. I would describe it as a "cold" sound cart. I would like if it had 20% more in the lower range and bring some more warmth to the vocals. The Nag picks up a lot of the pops and crackles. I'm going to keep listening to it. Had to cut it short as the wife was on my case for noise complaints haha. I didn't expect this Mitsubishi to perform anywhere close to what Im hearing. Keep in mind my regular TT is a VPI scoutmaster2 with a Lyra Delos.
I tried them both and the Audio Technica Microliner blew me away!! It removed sibilance and IGD. Plus the sound it produced was night and day. I'm not saying that the Nagaoka isn't a good cartridge at all, because it is. The VM95ML is the best value for price. If looking to upgrade and not looking for expensive, Get the Audio Technica!!
the VM95ML is a game changer ... IGD gone, more separation, less distortion, open sound (more air air around instruments) bigger soundstage, not even the same ballpark, I sold my MP110 immediately
Buy the Nag live it with it for 6 months. Then buy the AT and live with it for 6 months. They are both fantastic and well worth owning, when either cart is on and doing its thing they are sublime. So be greedy and enjoy the best of both worlds!
I completely agree that long-term listening is absolutely the best way to form an opinion on a cartridge. I can listen to quick comparison videos and make an initial judgment on that, but what draws me to a cartridge's sonic signature is listening to it for months across various genres of music. This goes for both digitized needledrops AND in-person listening. Besides, I don't limit myself to just one sonic signature. Variety is the spice of life!
I don't think these are leveled off equally. If you are going to compare a 3.5 mv output to a 5 mv output cartridge you need to level adjust and make sure the output is the same. I don't think it was done here.
So all the assumed differences were for volume and the comparison would have been useless because let the brain control for volume differences in the perception process is not possible.
I bought the Nagaoka and was unhappy with my system with the DJ Pre II on an old Universum Turntable.I screwed the nagaoka onto my Yamaha YP-D6. This has modified cables (Summer Cable Stratos) and combined with the internal phone amplifier of my Denon PMA 2000R. I hear an open stage, very fine mids, the voices sound very relaxed and real without distortion. The bass is not very powerful, but very differentiated. It's noticeable on large drums. The Nagaoka can play very low. It sounds real to my ears. This system does not rely on effects but rather on neutral reproduction. I can listen to it for hours without it getting annoying. I always find myself turning up the volume because nothing about the music is annoying.
I own both of them. Mounted on my Technics 1210GR they sound clearly different. To my ears, the 95ML's tonality is more on the clinical side. It does not sound bad but kind of lame. The soundstage is narrow, the bass is shy and the upper frequency band is clear but at the same time not very detailed. Over all, it is leaning more towards the mids.. (The mids are kind of aggressive.) The Nagaoka has a strong bass, warm mids and is a bit soft in the HF band, but with much better detail and separation compared to the 95ML. These differences will become impressive if classical music is played. A good recording of Dvorak's "From The New World" will reveal the qualities of the Nagaoka. There's more "attack" to the whole show. The 95ML only has less IGD, but they are close. It is not THAT much of a difference in IGD to call the 95ML the winner.
@@LZP1987 good to know! I’m very interested in purchasing one but I’m worried of it falling short and not being able to return it. I have a 95ml that I use for most stuff and I love listening to 70s rock and funk using my Shure ss35c! That being said this cart has had me curious for a while now
@@unpluggedlamp I think the MP 100 would be great for your favourite music but you should keep in mind that the recommended load capacity of MP 100 is only around ~100pF for the whole signal path (wiring + phono amp). I run it at ~180pF which still sounds good ..
I use both. AT has more air and clarity, better focus and soundstage. MP to my ears sounds more musical and engaging. Wind, string tone and piano are more natural with MP too. They are both excellent and compliment each other.
Both cartridges are excellent. If you prefer punching bass, warmer sound and if you here mostly Rock/Alternative/Metal I would definitely vote for the Nagaoka MP110. If you like to hear your music more clear and airy and if you here Jazz, than AT VM95ML could be your choice. I like both much more than Ortofon Red/Blue/Bronze.
@@hmst5420 you could get more things done with audiotechnica vm95 eN(orange one) because that is the best bang of the buck beacuse its all nude stylus.Then you can go up with other more expensive ones (eg. shibata) but the differences are minimal really that if you like heavy metal you wouldnt raise your ears to find the last bit of vocals like an audiophile with jazz or classical music.After that ,you maybe can upgrade the phono pe amp and youre in heaven.
I honestly can't tell which I prefer because they are so different. Each one is a shock to my ears when it starts and I like it once I get used to it then the other one shocks me again.
@HALF MT I tried to change the volume as the cartridge changes and I found the MP-110 was much brighter but you still could be right. I don't put as much stock in these comparisons as I used to since I learned more about how individual setup factors and pre-amp capacitance loading affect the sound.
Te MP-110 sounds like someone turned te Bass a bit up compared to the ML. The ML sounds a bit cleaner, more natural. Very impressed with the ML, to be honest. I was dead set on getting the MP-110, but I may as well just swap out the stylus on my 95C with the ML.
Warning, because mp110 have a more volume, so in this video...its difficult to compare really. On miles Davis, ml give better sound and more precision. From mp110,a better upgrade is vm540ml
There's no analog magic bullet. I suspect if you heard the ML after break-in on a real system vs a compressed youtube video, you would have a different opinion. Heck, the Ortofon blue after break-in is about perfect. On my living room setup I don't want to put anything really nice because my kid will break it. I have a cheap VM95 blue spherical...after break in that sounds pretty amazing. Great cart for used records. Very forgiving. It's all about the music and the application IMO. If I have to listen in a quiet room with expensive headphones to hear the nuance, i know i'm spilling hairs. If I want that kind of perfection, I'll play hires 96/24 streaming through my dac.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL thanks took your advice and bought at vmn540ml sounds so much cleaner and transparent, literally no distortion and better tonal balance.
The Nagaoka MP-110 hours of play is listed at 150-200, whereas the AT-VM95L is listed for 1000 hours. So basically, the party would be over very quicky for the Naga as opposed to the AT...
mp-110 sound is like mono. but has a good drive to guitars and vocals. It's closer to the vm95en than ml. So mp-110 vs. 95en would be an interesting comparison.
I tried both of them and the Audio Technica Microliner is better for me. I hear more and better. I rediscover some old records ! Really . Also, I had problems with the Nagaoka needle = static electricity discharge. I had to change the needle, defect? I bought from Japan and couldn't return.
My impressions are intensified with listening to my old vinyls on the AT. Fantastic drumming and the sound of cymbals on old hard & heavy pieces music. Someone said that the AT has a bright sound - NO - it all depends on the AUDIO system. I have a Marantz 2252 and Klipsh kg 4.2. It plays as it should be, and even very low. Nagaoka does not provide such an experience.
For me, the Nagaoka sounds too bass heavy. Like if it has been boosted with an EQ in post. One complaint about the video: For me, the records you've picked weren't challenging enough. Breakfast in America was challenging when it was busy *"but there's NOT A LOT I can do"* was hard for the Nagaoka.
Presentation is open, airy, better separation and more nuanced on the 95ML. It has a bit of a holographic effect to the way it presents the sound. 110 sounded a bit punchier, but also muddy and congested. I felt it presented the music in a more unidimensional, kind of wall of sound way. I was expecting the race to be closer, but for my tastes the 95ML is the clear winner.
I preferred the Nag MP110; I thought it sounded a little bigger and more fun/ballsy on the Bowie and Supertramp tracks that I know pretty well; much more my jam. Whereas the AT was more detailed but also a bit more 'lit', more 'hifi". Both good though... whatever suits your ears and system, I guess. Thanks for doing these 'drops. I'm listening via Mac mini > Supra USB > Micromega MyAmp > Kimber 8TC > Neat Iota.
When you change the volume correctly the at is a superior cartridge Do they both have the same barrel fittings? I wonder if it's possible to put the at stylus on the the mp
The AT is a moving magnet cartridge, the Nagaoka is a moving permalloy (better known as moving iron) - they're completely incompatible with each other. The AT cartridges also don't have a barrel, they have 2 magnets at 90 degrees to each other that go directly into the cartridge body.
Once the Bowie kicked in, I could tell right away that the VM95ML had much more detail and clarity. Then with Miles, it was a sealed deal. The MP-110 is louder and bassier; something that could be achieved with a good Spherical stylus like the Shure M44-7. The MP-110 is a really nice stylus but it's out of it's league in this case. I would love to hear some FLAC files from this comparison on my home setup. Great video!
In Ziggy Stardust I can hear how the vocals are much clean on the VL95ML. In the MP-110 i can hear lot of distortion, I have the same problem (Specially on "S") with the VM95E, M55E and even on conical M44-7.
Those having sibilance or IGD on records have either aligned the cartridge wrong or the records are worn. I have none of these problems as I only use,it on new vinyl. It performs wonderfully.
I also have a MK2 and I can’t decide between these two! I have a grado green and that sounds great. Idk if I want something that sounds more vintage or modern!
Do you have any wav files online recorded from these 2 cartridges? I am concerned that my VM95ML does not have enough treble and yours may be similar. I like to plot the spectrum in audacity to compare. It does help make the trumpet in So What less piercing though and makes the notes where it really opens up more satisfying than when it is full on constantly.
The at is flat to about 20 k slow roll-off the MP has a nasty peak if you don't have the correct resistance and capacitance of 150 Kohms 300pF, at about 12 k roughly +4 DB and then dives down. These sound testing not accurate at vm95ml is better
@@johnsweda2999 Thank you. I am learning to not take comparison videos on youtube so seriously because it can be tricky to load some cartridges and we don't know if it is done correctly and some are more or less compatible with certain tonearms etc ...
@@neandrewthal don't get me wrong I think the MP range of cartridges are good but depends what phono stage you've got to correct that hump you can add the resistor and capacitor yourself in line with the input from the turntable, but most people won't want to do that or if your phono stage has the settings to adjust will work ok, most budget phono stage won't have those types of fine settings
Ooooof....sure the AT has the on paper advantage but it has SHY BASS AND LITTLE BLOOM/ATMOSPHERE being apologetic to a fault. Nagaoka has far superior tonality which theyve always had, puts meat on the bones of the Ziggy track and kick drums actually kick rather than being some weak sad afterthought of the AT. If it had decent sibilant and igd control it would walk it entirely. Thats where the MP500 comes in but it sure costs alot
La Nagaoka est plus large en fréquence que l'Audio Technica, donc meilleur à mon goût 😉 Je trouve d'ailleurs aussi la Nagaoka MP 110 supérieur à l'Ortofon 2M blue. Et pourtant bien moins chers, allez savoir 🤔
Gotta say I just got the at-vm95ml replacing my at-vm95e and it's amazing. All my albums sound normal again like they did in 80s with my lower budget Akai turntable. These days it's like they make a good stylus, charge a fortune and just downgrade like the 95e and charge accordingly.
Wow Matt, That's exactly what I just did. I just ordered a new AT- VM95ml for my AT- LP120XBT-USB TT. Had the at-am95EN stylus on the vm95e cartridge which did improved the sound a bit. I also ordered the Naga 110MP , played yesterday , but noticed it was bit more "heavy" in the sound compared to the vm95e with the upgraded stylus. Ordered both via Amazon , and with their liberal returns , I can Play these new cartridges and judge for myself. I'm not an AudioPhile, but I am a Music aficionado for many years - I'm 70. But playing around with my 2 stereo systems and lookimng at some enhancements, I've learned about Tt Cartridges and the Different sounds that can be produced. It actually has become a Fun Retirement Hobby - and my return to playing Drums to My Music after a 50 Year Hiatus!!
I have both, the Nag would be great if it didnt have problems with IGD and sibilance but as these are a huge part of enjoyable music listening thats where the nag lags behind, thats why the 95ml is the best value great cartridge for its money or even against more expensive cartridges/stylus.
Good that I found you. So does the VM95ML have less problems with catching those really high frequencies without splatter? I listened to some HiViNyws examples and I heard clear distortion in the "S"es with the MP110.
@@YusakoTWorkz Yes less sibilance, better tracking but after playing the Nag 110 more the sibilance isn't as bad to be fair, still the vm95ml is fantastic sounding overall, nag has more bass though.
The MP 110 produce better and more forward presence and micro harmonics compared to the AT, which sounded shallow to me despite it is airiness and better higher timbres.
In contrast to quite a few comments that reckon the AT cartridge is much more detailed and hifi, I hear the opposite. The VM95ML sounds recessed compared with the MP110, assuming the gain between the two has been matched accurately.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Can't lie, I actually prefer the Nagaoka. The instruments and vocals sound so much more open and full to me. Though I'd bet the VM95ML tracks better, the Nagaoka already tracks INCREDIBLY well for an elliptical at its price.
@@utub1473 Nagaoka looks like more a sound from Stereo radio. Nagaoka stylus more cheap for me, i feel AT stylus more strong, better construction; For me, the big problem for Nagaoka MP110 is static electricity whit new vinyl (static pop). I don't have this problem whit AT VM. Nagaoka MP110 is a good cartridge too specially for Rock, pop, but not for jazz, sountrack and all music whit quiet moment.
Je possède les 2 cellules. La nagaoka me plait bien, c'est pas mal mais je préfère l'AT, tous styles de musiques confondus. (Plus précise) Là, ce sont mes oreilles qui parlent, c'est du vécu. Par contre, l'AT est annoncée sur la notice pour 1000 heures d'utilisation contre 200 pour la nagaoka. Là, je n'ai pas encore la réponse puisque je suis à environ 75h d'utilisation sur chacune des cellules. Le futur me donnera la réponse mais si c'est vrai ...... Bref, L'AT est gagnante pour moi. Les futurs acheteurs, faites les tests en live, rien de tel pour se faire une opinion et faites confiance à vos oreilles 😉
Watch price difference, for me,pick ml for 120 euros, big difference price whit sh --190 euros, but for 20 or 30 euros difference, pick SH. Apparently sligtly better
The ML is supposed to last longer than the SH for what it's worth. If money is no object, the SH! I want one myself. I have the VM95EN on one table and an Ortofon 2M blue on the other. I love both but the 2M blue is my favorite.
Hey, For reference, the difference between the SH and ML on the VM95 series is very minimal, I've heard them both. It's honestly hard to hear the difference, that's how small it is. So from that information I'd compare the MP-110 and the VM95ML here. Whatever sounds more pleasing to you! Don't buy something because someone says "detail is what you want" or somebody else says "this sounds better," go with what YOU found to be more engaging and pleasant!
Je le pense aussi mais la Nagaoka sonne un peu plus fort, ce qui pourrait tromper la comparaison; Les deux cellules restent quand même très proches. Je ferai une comparaison prochainement de la VMAT95E et la VMAT95ML, là, ça devrait être très flagrant.
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Thank you for your work. I'm gonna buy a new cartridge (Nagao MP-200) and I think different from @mm-bb6cn. Nagaoka is clearly better than VM95.
DSV, I couldn't find a Video comparison of the Naga MP 110 vs the AT- VM95e (with an upgraded stylus VMN95 EN) on a AT- LP120XNBT-USB TT. So I looked at this one. I have the TT for about a year. Sounds great for the $$$$ . The upgraded stylus made a slightly noticeable difference. I just ordered a Naga MP 110. I noticed that the Naga is bit Punchier and a bit Louder. If you check the specs on cartridges, the Naga has s slight higher db over the AT, so that makes sense. But I think the AT is Clearer and offers a little Cleaner sound. I tested a Cat Stevens Greatest Hits LP. I ordered the Naga on Amazon, and it was delivered promptly, however, no directions were supplied in English ?? Only Japanese... Their web site was real help either to get the specs on the Naga. I usually listen to Rock, Country Rock, Folk, Folk Rock, NO Metal, no Hip Hop.
Nagaoka is good for rock,folk, metal but bad for soundtrack, scores, classic ,jazz. I use Twoo on twoo different turntables but i prefer VM95ML on a technics turntable because MP110 have more problem whit static electricity on my SL1500C.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL I will check that Out. The Standard AT-VM95e was a good cartridge, enhanced with the upgrade to the 95EN stylus. Now I will try the ML , just got it from Amazon !! I'll try to post what I experience on the AT-LP120XBT-USB TT that I am using. I may it on my other TT: a Dual CS5000 purchased in 1987 - still going strong with a Otofon 20 Cartridge.
La mp110 flatte beaucoup le médium, ça accroche un peu dans les aigus, je trouve l'AT beaucoup plus claire et plus précise dans l'aigu même si ça peut être au détriment d'une signature en V, j'ai l'impression également que la stéréo est plus marquée que la mp110, pour moi c'est l'AT sans hésitation.
Le côté flatteur de la mp110 ressemble un peu au faiit d'écouter la radio en stéréo sur un ampli on a cette impression d'ouverture et netteté mais qui au final et moins précise. Cela reste une très bonne cellule mais elle n'aime pas les nouveaux lp avec de l'énergie statique elle est très sensible à cela.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Les nouveaux vinyls profitent du progrès de la technologie en terme d'écoute ou au contraire, comme ce n'est plus le support majoritairement utilisé, il y aurait une moins grande attention dans leur confection ? C'est une question que je me suis posée assez souvent, j'ai des rééditions d'Indochine en 180 grammes qui semblent tenir la route (bandes originales analogiques utilisées) mais je ne peux pas comparer avec les originaux
@@tonynoyon4351 Je dirais que c'est du 50/50. Tu as des trucs mieux et mieux remasterisés qu'avant qui sonnent du Tonnerre et inversement des trucs infâmes mal pressés qui sont en dessous de lp qui ont 40 ans. C'est surtout dans la qualité du pressage que ca se joue, moins ds le master.
Nagaoka for ever , the best to begin is the MP-200 :-) Pour ma part , une nette préférence pour la Nagaoka , et si tu as un peu d'oseille fonce sur la MP-200 ;-)
Le prix public de la Nagaoka MP 110 est plus proche de 160€ que de 130€. Ceci dit, je pense qu'il faut au moins un budget de 200€ pour trouver mieux. Et encore, je ne suis pas sûr qu'une Ortofon Blue, par exemple, lui soit bien supérieure ...
Actuellement, la MP110 est à moins de 130 euros sur Amazon mais les prix varient bcq. J'ai pu avoir la 95ML a 120 euros mais en grosse promo. Les deux cellules ont des avantages et inconvénients (du moins sur mon installation). La Nagaoka me crée beaucoup de problèmes avec l'électricité statique. j'ai souvent de nombreux pops statiques en début de disque (C'est assez embêtant, cette cellule est très sensible). C'est une bonne cellule dont le stylus peut se trouver à 60 euros (ebay). La VM95ML a un stylus du prix de de la cellule, ce qui est beaucoup plus onéreux. Si je dois racheter une cellule plus tard ca sera la VM540ML, qui ressemblera bcq à mon AT440MLB, mais le prix est à 250 euros. Pour la Nagaoka , ll faut rajouter que la vie du stylus sera moindre en comparaison de la ML. 500 heures pour la Nagaoka MP110 pour plusieurs milliers d'heures pour la Micro Line. Je ne préfère pas tirer de conclusion de cette comparaison. Les deux cellules sont forts proches et la légère sonorité (volume) de la Nagaoka MP110 pourrait tromper le test.
Je viens de voir un test ou cette VM95ML serait supérieur à l' Ortofon Blue. Il faut écouter les fichiers et me dire ce lui que tu préfères,je te dirais lequel est la blue l'autre la VM95ML www.analogplanet.com/content/ortofon-2m-blue-versus-audio-technica-vm95ml?fbclid=IwAR2tPfsesXfp7OJ5lugoxa9eRc-4y69_t8IanzqrfI_wkHwgfirPrx9neKs
@@theojalby336 perso, la différence entre l'orfofon red et l'audio Technica verte est minime donc pas d'intérêt de prendre la red, le gain ne sera pas énorme. Concernant la 95EN, je ne la connais pas mais perso, si j'étais toi je rajouterai 20 à 30 euros en plus pour prendre la VM95ML qui là est sensationnelle et fera une grosse différence avec la Vm verte de base.
Terriblement interessant, il a de gens qu'adore les ATs et deteste les nagaoka's parce qu'ils seraient "sans personalité". J'ai les trouvés trop similaire par ce video pour dire une chose comme tel. Peut-être la VM95ML est moins aggressive pour les LPs grace a l'aigu microlinear, mais, au même temps, je pense que les nagaoka ont le meilleur tracking e ne besoin pas des adjustement trop precises comme les aigus nude... À la fin je reste indécise. Est-qu'il y a des differences caché par la compression de l'YT?
Correction : j'ai trouvé quelques indications des IGD par la Nagaoka, surtout dans les vocales, malgré son excellent performance sur les disques endommagés par le temps; elle apparaît, en tout façon, plus ouvert, au temps que l'AT apparaît un peu plus nettoyé ou contenue. Enfin je pense que j'ira acheter la VM95! Merci par le vidéo alors, il est l'unique comparaison directe entre ces deux carts, c'est dommage la différence de volume dans la premiere sample, j'aime les Fleet Foxes :p
Ive said it TIME AND TIME again NOONE can beat the AT 95 series (its only better now ) period for price vs performance you got and can get it allllll !!!
Je suis d'accord avec toi, la Nagaoka a des faiblesses sur des musiques plus calmes. La cellule est plus ouverte et transmet donc plus les imperfections sur du Jazz our par exemple de la musique classique. Elle paraîtra par contre un tout petit peu plus vivante sur du Rock.
recapitulation....but what first catches is what starts to bothers first. AT "attracive sound", little flatter and "tiny" voice. Nagaoka is more "natural" and good balanced - it´s MUSIC! Nag. for me.
Depends what system you have tbh and everyone hears different try moving you lobes and see what happens. I've just got the 540ml by going back to the nag might not be as crisp but it's fatiguing
D'après mon écoute au casque pas forcément...sur la première chanson, ça peut sauter aux yeux mais pas forcément sur les autres. Sur Miles Davis par exemple, la Nagaoka peut amener de faibles bruits parasites à bas volume. Mais pour la différence de prix, la Nagaoka reste la meilleure option.
J'ai testé avec mon matériel Project DC Carbon, cellule audiotechnica VM540ML , ortofon 2M red / blue / Bronze , puis Nagaoka MP-200 que je ne quitterais pour rien au monde ;-)
@@VinylLiveMusic40 Je n'ai jamais testé la MP200. Le prob de cette MP110 c'est sa durée de vie. Max 500 heures. contre plusieurs milliers pour les autres.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL j'écoute chaque jour environ 2h de musique sur vinyle, sachant que ma nagaoka mp 200 est d'occase (environ une centaine d'heures il y a 1 an), je dois être à 700 heures d'écoute, avec nettoyage par gel pad du stylus à chaque écoute et de brosse spécifique de temps en temps, pour le moment je n'entends pas de dégradation de la qualitédu son; j'ai même déjà un stylus neuf d'avance au cas où, acheté sur ebay au Japon pour 150€ sans taxes douanières, au lieu de 250/300 € en Europe 👍🎶🎵🎶🙏💕
J'espère qu'il y aura d'autres tests par d'autres youtubeurs pour vérifier ce test. La micro line a aussi l'avantage de reprendre moins les imperfections et certains bruits de surface plus accentués avec la Nagaoka.
Tu as oublié de dire que le niveau de sortie de la Nagaoka est de 5 mv contre 3,5 mv pour l'Audio Technica. A l'écoute, la Nagaoka sonne donc plus fort, ce qui est hyper trompeur et peut paraître plus flatteur. Le morceau de Miles Davis montre que l'Audio Technica ML est beaucoup plus précise. La Nagoaka est plus ouverte mais retransmet moins fidèlement les sons que l'Audio Technica. L'Audio Technica a un diamant Micro Line bien au dessus du diamant elliptique de la Nagoaka, ça c'est un fait. (la cellule monte beaucoup plus haut dans les hautes fréquences par rapport à la Nagaoka) La Cellule Audio Technica ML est plus neutre et juste. Au même prix, je préfère avoir l'Audio Technica, le diamant vivra 4 x plus longtemps.
Que de sages paroles. Je possède la Nagaoka et l'AT en version shibata. Pour moi, il n'y a même pas discussion possible. Le diamant shibata met une droite + uppercut et finit avec une balayette. La distorsion disparait totalement sur les sifflantes et je ne parle même pas de l'inner groove. Quand aux bruits de surface et les craquements, le focus n'est plus sur eux. La nagaoka est un bon step par rapport aux cellules d'entrée de gamme mais ne peut rivaliser avec un shibata ou ML. Faut il vous donner le prix de la nagaoka équipée d'un diamant ML ? On peut s'offrir un petit stock de AT 95VM SH ;)
@@zzz4252 Merci pour ton commentaire. entre la SH et la ML (pour la série VM), il ya beaucoup de différence pour ce modèle ? Une autre personne me disait que la Shibata est bien mais qu'elle amplifie les défauts des vinyles, ce qui ne pardonne pas à la lecture.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Cela dépend grandement de l'historique du disque. S'il n'a jamais été lu avec un shibata ou micro line, on le remarque tout de suite. C'est comme si le disque était "plus jeune" (moins usé). Les craquements sont moins nombreux, voire inéxistants (sur disques lavés). Sur d'autres disques, c'est quasiment identique. Ni plus, ni moins, mais vraiment différent sur le ressenti. Pour moi, c'est l'aspect distorsion réduite qui m'a frappé. Je fais moins la grimace sur les forté et les sifflantes ;) A noter que le réglage VTA est important sur ce type de cellule mais ça en vaux la peine. Sachant que le prix est très proche entre les deux modèles, j'ai opté pour l'option qui sur le papier apportait le plus "d'air". Si on hésite, le ML est un choix plus conservateur. Tout dépend de ses gouts et de sa chaine et de l'état de sa collection.
AT should last around 3 times longer than mp-110 because of ML diamond shape. Naga is on my shopping list though, I'd like to hear by myself what is all that hype about it.
@@andrewscott1253 I didn't go for Nagaoka , too much monies for a bonded elliptical. I just ended up with 95C, 95E and 95EN but not 95ML yet. Currently out of stock 8(.
@@killbasa2000 I have listened to the 95ML, it tracks very well but the sound for me is a little thin. I recently ended up with a Denon DL110 and oh my goodness its good.
D'accord avec toi, mais difficile de normaliser tout cela dans une vidéo compressée. Il faut retenir qu une plus grande ouverture ne donne pas une plus grande précision. La mp110 reste une très bonne cellule polyvalente mais la qualité du diamant est clairement en dessous de l'Audio Technica.
Please read my response to @br1878. I’m a huge fan of Nagaoka & the legendary MP 110 & a huge AT fan. Comparing these two carts is kinda apples & oranges imho. Thankyou dude.
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VM95ML = less Distortion and better stereo seperation on lower Frequencies. Thumbs up for the Audio Technica
I had a nagaoka mp110 but the sound was so uninanimated one dimensional and dull that i cant recommend it to no one
No contest really. ATs fine line will piss over it
I'm just getting back in vinyl after a 15 year break and this video was incredibly helpful: I was sure about going with a MP110, but thought to "give TH-cam a try." This video put me square in the VM95 camp. So thank you for making it.
And to any other reviewers doing a similar thing who happen to be reading: thank you for your work as well. I've watched a couple. It's fabulous having a resource for listening to cartridges, something that wasn't available to me back in the day.
I like the MP110 vocals more. Sounds more alive and open. The bass sounds good to me.
Huge Nagaoka fan. I had the MP 110 and still use 150. But the AT VM95ML tracks quite a bit better with no sibilance, and has better channel separation. That makes a huge difference especially with second hand records.
If your coming to AT from Nagaoka, keep in mind that it will sound bright and thin at first. You need time for ears to adjust to what I think is a more neutral presentation (not actually bright).
With my MP-110 I get too much static on the cart itself even when the the record is static free. Too many pops and clicks it driving me crazy even on clean records
AT are leaders in what they do. There are other ways to hear music if you wish to experiment for example Jico stylus' which in their respective forms can offer the very best value for money, in my opinion.
Also a huge Nagaoka fan. The MP110 is a legend and the high end styli they make with boron cantilevers are god like.
I concur with your post here. A micro line styli can’t eliminate it but you will absolutely get less inner groove distortion with a Microline styli. Yes, a micro line styli will put less wear on vinyl grooves as claimed but it would take a PLETHORA of playback to notice any difference in wear vs a good quality elliptical(bi-radial) nude Diamond!
The AudioTechnica micoroline offerings are very affordable for a styli of such high calibre compared to most worthy manufacturers.
Every AT cart I’ve owned or auditioned sounds bright and I freaking love them.
Other than AT & Nagaoka, GoldRing is my third favorite cartridge company of all time. Some of their higher compliance carts/styli sound outstanding when they’re setup properly (of course) with the proper azimuth/tracking angle.
So I bought both of them after reading the comments. Spent so far about half hr listening to both with Ella and Louis Cant We Be Friends. It confirmed pretty much what I heard on TH-cam. The AT has better separation, and better sound stage with depth. But the sound signature is off and unnatural. It sounds compressed, lacks warmth. The Nagoka sound is more accurate to what my Lyra Delos sounds like. But problem is the separation is almost none. It's such a 2D sound. I know I won't like the AT sound the way it presents vocals and even instruments like the sax which sounds small. Ughhh...I'll go listen some more and adjust setup to see if it makes any difference.
Update: I didn't have the cartridges setup right initially. I'm using a Mitsubishi linear tracking to test. Not about to mess up my VPI setup. Now i got them in optimal position. The fullness improved. AT sounded a lot better. The detail and sound depth is pretty incredible for the price. It's better than the Nag for sure. But I think what's missing is the warm and bass extension. It seems to be a bit short. I would describe it as a "cold" sound cart. I would like if it had 20% more in the lower range and bring some more warmth to the vocals. The Nag picks up a lot of the pops and crackles. I'm going to keep listening to it. Had to cut it short as the wife was on my case for noise complaints haha. I didn't expect this Mitsubishi to perform anywhere close to what Im hearing. Keep in mind my regular TT is a VPI scoutmaster2 with a Lyra Delos.
I tried them both and the Audio Technica Microliner blew me away!! It removed sibilance and IGD. Plus the sound it produced was night and day. I'm not saying that the Nagaoka isn't a good cartridge at all, because it is. The VM95ML is the best value for price. If looking to upgrade and not looking for expensive, Get the Audio Technica!!
I own both, and both sound superb but to me the MP110 has more….separation, low end and sparkle. ✨
The Nagaoka is more musical sounding. More separation, instrumental definition, sparkle, and snap. More alive sounding.
the VM95ML is a game changer ... IGD gone, more separation, less distortion, open sound (more air air around instruments) bigger soundstage, not even the same ballpark, I sold my MP110 immediately
Buy the Nag live it with it for 6 months. Then buy the AT and live with it for 6 months. They are both fantastic and well worth owning, when either cart is on and doing its thing they are sublime. So be greedy and enjoy the best of both worlds!
I completely agree that long-term listening is absolutely the best way to form an opinion on a cartridge.
I can listen to quick comparison videos and make an initial judgment on that, but what draws me to a cartridge's sonic signature is listening to it for months across various genres of music. This goes for both digitized needledrops AND in-person listening.
Besides, I don't limit myself to just one sonic signature. Variety is the spice of life!
I don’t like the AT at all. It sounds thin, as if it has no ground/base. It’s floating into thin air. The mp-110 for me.
I don't think these are leveled off equally. If you are going to compare a 3.5 mv output to a 5 mv output cartridge you need to level adjust and make sure the output is the same. I don't think it was done here.
exact
Plus the mp1 10 and nasty peak at about +4 DB at 12 k what you need to control capacitance and resistance 150 k ohms and 300 pF
So all the assumed differences were for volume and the comparison would have been useless because let the brain control for volume differences in the perception process is not possible.
I totally agree. The volume is not in the same level. So the comparison is not accurate.
I bought the Nagaoka and was unhappy with my system with the DJ Pre II on an old Universum Turntable.I screwed the nagaoka onto my Yamaha YP-D6. This has modified cables (Summer Cable Stratos) and combined with the internal phone amplifier of my Denon PMA 2000R.
I hear an open stage, very fine mids, the voices sound very relaxed and real without distortion. The bass is not very powerful, but very differentiated. It's noticeable on large drums. The Nagaoka can play very low. It sounds real to my ears. This system does not rely on effects but rather on neutral reproduction. I can listen to it for hours without it getting annoying. I always find myself turning up the volume because nothing about the music is annoying.
I own both. The MP-110 is a good value, but the 95ML is just a much better sounding combo.
I own both of them. Mounted on my Technics 1210GR they sound clearly different.
To my ears, the 95ML's tonality is more on the clinical side. It does not sound bad but kind of lame. The soundstage is narrow, the bass is shy and the upper frequency band is clear but at the same time not very detailed. Over all, it is leaning more towards the mids.. (The mids are kind of aggressive.)
The Nagaoka has a strong bass, warm mids and is a bit soft in the HF band, but with much better detail and separation compared to the 95ML. These differences will become impressive if classical music is played. A good recording of Dvorak's "From The New World" will reveal the qualities of the Nagaoka. There's more "attack" to the whole show.
The 95ML only has less IGD, but they are close. It is not THAT much of a difference in IGD to call the 95ML the winner.
1000 hours of play vs 200 hours is really why the Audio Technica makes more sense. That being said I am very curious to hear the nagaoka in person 🧐
@@unpluggedlamp my MP 100 did more than 400hrs. Around this point I thought that sibilances became a bit distorted, so I changed the stylus to JN-P110
@@LZP1987 good to know! I’m very interested in purchasing one but I’m worried of it falling short and not being able to return it. I have a 95ml that I use for most stuff and I love listening to 70s rock and funk using my Shure ss35c! That being said this cart has had me curious for a while now
@@unpluggedlamp I think the MP 100 would be great for your favourite music but you should keep in mind that the recommended load capacity of MP 100 is only around ~100pF for the whole signal path (wiring + phono amp).
I run it at ~180pF which still sounds good ..
I use both. AT has more air and clarity, better focus and soundstage. MP to my ears sounds more musical and engaging. Wind, string tone and piano are more natural with MP too. They are both excellent and compliment each other.
You just sold me on the mp-110 with your lovely taste in music. much love. xx
Both cartridges are excellent. If you prefer punching bass, warmer sound and if you here mostly Rock/Alternative/Metal I would definitely vote for the Nagaoka MP110. If you like to hear your music more clear and airy and if you here Jazz, than AT VM95ML could be your choice. I like both much more than Ortofon Red/Blue/Bronze.
@@hmst5420 you could get more things done with audiotechnica vm95 eN(orange one) because that is the best bang of the buck beacuse its all nude stylus.Then you can go up with other more expensive ones (eg. shibata) but the differences are minimal really that if you like heavy metal you wouldnt raise your ears to find the last bit of vocals like an audiophile with jazz or classical music.After that ,you maybe can upgrade the phono pe amp and youre in heaven.
@@hmst5420 absolutely agree to that, especially for metal I would prefer the AT over the Nagaoka
I honestly can't tell which I prefer because they are so different. Each one is a shock to my ears when it starts and I like it once I get used to it then the other one shocks me again.
@HALF MT I tried to change the volume as the cartridge changes and I found the MP-110 was much brighter but you still could be right. I don't put as much stock in these comparisons as I used to since I learned more about how individual setup factors and pre-amp capacitance loading affect the sound.
This video has convinced me to buy the mp-110 ... thanks
Te MP-110 sounds like someone turned te Bass a bit up compared to the ML. The ML sounds a bit cleaner, more natural. Very impressed with the ML, to be honest. I was dead set on getting the MP-110, but I may as well just swap out the stylus on my 95C with the ML.
All things considered, the 95c is pretty amazing.
Comparing a bonded elliptical with a nude line contact...
One should compare the Nagaoka with a VM95e or its better cousin the AT-VM520EB.
The nagaoka mp 110 already punches above its price point and is superb . However the 95ml is in a different league .
Just brought the 95ML keep updated
95ml just removed all my inner groove distortion issues with previous Ortofon 2M Red cart. I am enthralled.
I was going to upgrade to AT-VM95ML from nagoaka mp110, so glad that I didn't now, thank you for taking the time to do this...
Warning, because mp110 have a more volume, so in this video...its difficult to compare really. On miles Davis, ml give better sound and more precision. From mp110,a better upgrade is vm540ml
There's no analog magic bullet. I suspect if you heard the ML after break-in on a real system vs a compressed youtube video, you would have a different opinion. Heck, the Ortofon blue after break-in is about perfect. On my living room setup I don't want to put anything really nice because my kid will break it. I have a cheap VM95 blue spherical...after break in that sounds pretty amazing. Great cart for used records. Very forgiving. It's all about the music and the application IMO. If I have to listen in a quiet room with expensive headphones to hear the nuance, i know i'm spilling hairs. If I want that kind of perfection, I'll play hires 96/24 streaming through my dac.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL thanks took your advice and bought at vmn540ml sounds so much cleaner and transparent, literally no distortion and better tonal balance.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Miles Davis records for the win!
Nagaoka all the way! The Audio technica sounds like, “party’s over cops are here”
The Nagaoka MP-110 hours of play is listed at 150-200, whereas the AT-VM95L is listed for 1000 hours. So basically, the party would be over very quicky for the Naga as opposed to the AT...
The volume is not on the same level. The comparison is not very accurate. The Audio technica sounds brighter. The nagaoka fuller, warmer.
mp-110 sound is like mono. but has a good drive to guitars and vocals. It's closer to the vm95en than ml. So mp-110 vs. 95en would be an interesting comparison.
I tried both of them and the Audio Technica Microliner is better for me. I hear more and better.
I rediscover some old records ! Really .
Also, I had problems with the Nagaoka needle = static electricity discharge. I had to change the needle, defect? I bought from Japan and couldn't return.
My impressions are intensified with listening to my old vinyls on the AT. Fantastic drumming and the sound of cymbals on old hard & heavy pieces
music. Someone said that the AT has a bright sound - NO - it all depends on the AUDIO system. I have a Marantz 2252 and Klipsh kg 4.2. It plays as it should be, and even very low.
Nagaoka does not provide such an experience.
For me, the Nagaoka sounds too bass heavy. Like if it has been boosted with an EQ in post. One complaint about the video: For me, the records you've picked weren't challenging enough. Breakfast in America was challenging when it was busy *"but there's NOT A LOT I can do"* was hard for the Nagaoka.
Presentation is open, airy, better separation and more nuanced on the 95ML. It has a bit of a holographic effect to the way it presents the sound. 110 sounded a bit punchier, but also muddy and congested. I felt it presented the music in a more unidimensional, kind of wall of sound way. I was expecting the race to be closer, but for my tastes the 95ML is the clear winner.
The VM95ML is good for the price. Probably the best one can get regarding price/quality ratio today.
even through my crap computer speakers and levels for output not matched, the AT is far cleaner and better sound, way more refined. No contest
I preferred the Nag MP110; I thought it sounded a little bigger and more fun/ballsy on the Bowie and Supertramp tracks that I know pretty well; much more my jam. Whereas the AT was more detailed but also a bit more 'lit', more 'hifi". Both good though... whatever suits your ears and system, I guess.
Thanks for doing these 'drops. I'm listening via Mac mini > Supra USB > Micromega MyAmp > Kimber 8TC > Neat Iota.
VM95ML and VM95SH all day long!
When you change the volume correctly the at is a superior cartridge
Do they both have the same barrel fittings? I wonder if it's possible to put the at stylus on the the mp
The AT is a moving magnet cartridge, the Nagaoka is a moving permalloy (better known as moving iron) - they're completely incompatible with each other. The AT cartridges also don't have a barrel, they have 2 magnets at 90 degrees to each other that go directly into the cartridge body.
Once the Bowie kicked in, I could tell right away that the VM95ML had much more detail and clarity. Then with Miles, it was a sealed deal. The MP-110 is louder and bassier; something that could be achieved with a good Spherical stylus like the Shure M44-7. The MP-110 is a really nice stylus but it's out of it's league in this case. I would love to hear some FLAC files from this comparison on my home setup. Great video!
I think exactly the same. I say the same in comments in french. Mp110more open but noisy. vm95ml more accurate. Anyway, stylus is better on ML.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL I love all this excitement over vinyl and the different choices!
In Ziggy Stardust I can hear how the vocals are much clean on the VL95ML. In the MP-110 i can hear lot of distortion, I have the same problem (Specially on "S") with the VM95E, M55E and even on conical M44-7.
woha that distortion from the Nagaoka! (8:30 for example)
The level is off in this video but if you hear both in person the 95ML sounds much better IMO.
Those having sibilance or IGD on records have either aligned the cartridge wrong or the records are worn. I have none of these problems as I only use,it on new vinyl. It performs wonderfully.
I have both on technics sl1200 mk2 and the at95ml wins by a good margin better separation less surface noise bigger soundstage
I also have a MK2 and I can’t decide between these two! I have a grado green and that sounds great. Idk if I want something that sounds more vintage or modern!
Do you have any wav files online recorded from these 2 cartridges? I am concerned that my VM95ML does not have enough treble and yours may be similar. I like to plot the spectrum in audacity to compare. It does help make the trumpet in So What less piercing though and makes the notes where it really opens up more satisfying than when it is full on constantly.
The at is flat to about 20 k slow roll-off the MP has a nasty peak if you don't have the correct resistance and capacitance of 150 Kohms 300pF, at about 12 k roughly +4 DB and then dives down. These sound testing not accurate at vm95ml is better
@@johnsweda2999 Thank you. I am learning to not take comparison videos on youtube so seriously because it can be tricky to load some cartridges and we don't know if it is done correctly and some are more or less compatible with certain tonearms etc ...
@@neandrewthal don't get me wrong I think the MP range of cartridges are good but depends what phono stage you've got to correct that hump you can add the resistor and capacitor yourself in line with the input from the turntable, but most people won't want to do that or if your phono stage has the settings to adjust will work ok, most budget phono stage won't have those types of fine settings
please normalize the volume of the two carts to same level
Ooooof....sure the AT has the on paper advantage but it has SHY BASS AND LITTLE BLOOM/ATMOSPHERE being apologetic to a fault. Nagaoka has far superior tonality which theyve always had, puts meat on the bones of the Ziggy track and kick drums actually kick rather than being some weak sad afterthought of the AT. If it had decent sibilant and igd control it would walk it entirely. Thats where the MP500 comes in but it sure costs alot
La Nagaoka est plus large en fréquence que l'Audio Technica, donc meilleur à mon goût 😉
Je trouve d'ailleurs aussi la Nagaoka MP 110 supérieur à l'Ortofon 2M blue. Et pourtant bien moins chers, allez savoir 🤔
Love the RAGE at the end hahah
Qual tem menor distorção? Qual você indicaria?
Gotta say I just got the at-vm95ml replacing my at-vm95e and it's amazing. All my albums sound normal again like they did in 80s with my lower budget Akai turntable. These days it's like they make a good stylus, charge a fortune and just downgrade like the 95e and charge accordingly.
Wow Matt, That's exactly what I just did. I just ordered a new AT- VM95ml for my AT- LP120XBT-USB TT. Had the at-am95EN stylus on the vm95e cartridge which did improved the sound a bit. I also ordered the Naga 110MP , played yesterday , but noticed it was bit more "heavy" in the sound compared to the vm95e with the upgraded stylus. Ordered both via Amazon , and with their liberal returns , I can Play these new cartridges and judge for myself. I'm not an AudioPhile, but I am a Music aficionado for many years - I'm 70. But playing around with my 2 stereo systems and lookimng at some enhancements, I've learned about Tt Cartridges and the Different sounds that can be produced. It actually has become a Fun Retirement Hobby - and my return to playing Drums to My Music after a 50 Year Hiatus!!
I have both, the Nag would be great if it didnt have problems with IGD and sibilance but as these are a huge part of enjoyable music listening thats where the nag lags behind, thats why the 95ml is the best value great cartridge for its money or even against more expensive cartridges/stylus.
Good that I found you. So does the VM95ML have less problems with catching those really high frequencies without splatter? I listened to some HiViNyws examples and I heard clear distortion in the "S"es with the MP110.
@@YusakoTWorkz Yes less sibilance, better tracking but after playing the Nag 110 more the sibilance isn't as bad to be fair, still the vm95ml is fantastic sounding overall, nag has more bass though.
MP110 !! vraiment une meilleur restitution du son que l'audio Technica est plus étouffé, moins de présence.
good choice of music
The MP 110 produce better and more forward presence and micro harmonics compared to the AT, which sounded shallow to me despite it is airiness and better higher timbres.
In contrast to quite a few comments that reckon the AT cartridge is much more detailed and hifi, I hear the opposite. The VM95ML sounds recessed compared with the MP110, assuming the gain between the two has been matched accurately.
Wg mnie AT brzmi znacznie lepiej. Szlif ML jest dużo bardziej kulturalny. W MP-110 słychać więcej zniekształceń (IGD), więcej bałaganu w dźwięku.
Did you adjust the VTA for each cartridge as well?
yes, its easy whit my Tehnics but hier,, the problem is the difference volume between AT and Nagaoka. AT is finally really better...
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Can't lie, I actually prefer the Nagaoka. The instruments and vocals sound so much more open and full to me. Though I'd bet the VM95ML tracks better, the Nagaoka already tracks INCREDIBLY well for an elliptical at its price.
@@utub1473 Nagaoka looks like more a sound from Stereo radio. Nagaoka stylus more cheap for me, i feel AT stylus more strong, better construction; For me, the big problem for Nagaoka MP110 is static electricity whit new vinyl (static pop). I don't have this problem whit AT VM. Nagaoka MP110 is a good cartridge too specially for Rock, pop, but not for jazz, sountrack and all music whit quiet moment.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Well wet cleaning new records should solve the static issue.
@@utub1473 Yes but i buy 25 vinyls per month,, no time ...lol
Je possède les 2 cellules. La nagaoka me plait bien, c'est pas mal mais je préfère l'AT, tous styles de musiques confondus. (Plus précise) Là, ce sont mes oreilles qui parlent, c'est du vécu. Par contre, l'AT est annoncée sur la notice pour 1000 heures d'utilisation contre 200 pour la nagaoka. Là, je n'ai pas encore la réponse puisque je suis à environ 75h d'utilisation sur chacune des cellules. Le futur me donnera la réponse mais si c'est vrai ...... Bref, L'AT est gagnante pour moi. Les futurs acheteurs, faites les tests en live, rien de tel pour se faire une opinion et faites confiance à vos oreilles 😉
J'ai exactement le même avis que le toi !
there is no comparison, just audio technica is in a different league.
My mp110 gets delivered tomorrow!
you dhould normalize volume levels to do a real test
Planning on uograding to VM95ML on my Rega Planar 2. Seems like a great match. However, should I go for the VM95SH instead ? Less harsh ?
Watch price difference, for me,pick ml for 120 euros, big difference price whit sh --190 euros, but for 20 or 30 euros difference, pick SH. Apparently sligtly better
DIRECT SOUND VINYL thanx for fast reply. I Think Price difference here is 25 euro
@@farbruun buy sh
DIRECT SOUND VINYL cool !! I know Nagaoka is very popular, but I Think the AT95 Series fits a Rega P2 better (cartridge height, antiskate etc)
The ML is supposed to last longer than the SH for what it's worth. If money is no object, the SH! I want one myself. I have the VM95EN on one table and an Ortofon 2M blue on the other. I love both but the 2M blue is my favorite.
Supertramp: Nagaoka
Miles Davis: AT
J'ai trouver les deux sensiblement pareil ,peut etre un peut plus "d'ouverture"et de dynamique sur la nagaoka😉😉😉
Nagaoka MP-110 or ATVM95SH?
Hey,
For reference, the difference between the SH and ML on the VM95 series is very minimal, I've heard them both. It's honestly hard to hear the difference, that's how small it is. So from that information I'd compare the MP-110 and the VM95ML here. Whatever sounds more pleasing to you! Don't buy something because someone says "detail is what you want" or somebody else says "this sounds better," go with what YOU found to be more engaging and pleasant!
La Nagaoka pour moi aussi 😉
Je le pense aussi mais la Nagaoka sonne un peu plus fort, ce qui pourrait tromper la comparaison; Les deux cellules restent quand même très proches. Je ferai une comparaison prochainement de la VMAT95E et la VMAT95ML, là, ça devrait être très flagrant.
Thank you for your work. I'm gonna buy a new cartridge (Nagao MP-200) and I think different from @mm-bb6cn. Nagaoka is clearly better than VM95.
Nagaoka hands down. Very neutral. AT is bright and thin. I tried em both
DSV, I couldn't find a Video comparison of the Naga MP 110 vs the AT- VM95e (with an upgraded stylus VMN95 EN) on a AT- LP120XNBT-USB TT. So I looked at this one. I have the TT for about a year. Sounds great for the $$$$ . The upgraded stylus made a slightly noticeable difference. I just ordered a Naga MP 110. I noticed that the Naga is bit Punchier and a bit Louder. If you check the specs on cartridges, the Naga has s slight higher db over the AT, so that makes sense. But I think the AT is Clearer and offers a little Cleaner sound. I tested a Cat Stevens Greatest Hits LP. I ordered the Naga on Amazon, and it was delivered promptly, however, no directions were supplied in English ?? Only Japanese... Their web site was real help either to get the specs on the Naga. I usually listen to Rock, Country Rock, Folk, Folk Rock, NO Metal, no Hip Hop.
Nagaoka is good for rock,folk, metal but bad for soundtrack, scores, classic ,jazz. I use Twoo on twoo different turntables but i prefer VM95ML on a technics turntable because MP110 have more problem whit static electricity on my SL1500C.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL I will check that Out. The Standard AT-VM95e was a good cartridge, enhanced with the upgrade to the 95EN stylus. Now I will try the ML , just got it from Amazon !! I'll try to post what I experience on the AT-LP120XBT-USB TT that I am using. I may it on my other TT: a Dual CS5000 purchased in 1987 - still going strong with a Otofon 20 Cartridge.
La mp110 flatte beaucoup le médium, ça accroche un peu dans les aigus, je trouve l'AT beaucoup plus claire et plus précise dans l'aigu même si ça peut être au détriment d'une signature en V, j'ai l'impression également que la stéréo est plus marquée que la mp110, pour moi c'est l'AT sans hésitation.
Le côté flatteur de la mp110 ressemble un peu au faiit d'écouter la radio en stéréo sur un ampli on a cette impression d'ouverture et netteté mais qui au final et moins précise. Cela reste une très bonne cellule mais elle n'aime pas les nouveaux lp avec de l'énergie statique elle est très sensible à cela.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Les nouveaux vinyls profitent du progrès de la technologie en terme d'écoute ou au contraire, comme ce n'est plus le support majoritairement utilisé, il y aurait une moins grande attention dans leur confection ? C'est une question que je me suis posée assez souvent, j'ai des rééditions d'Indochine en 180 grammes qui semblent tenir la route (bandes originales analogiques utilisées) mais je ne peux pas comparer avec les originaux
@@tonynoyon4351 Je dirais que c'est du 50/50. Tu as des trucs mieux et mieux remasterisés qu'avant qui sonnent du Tonnerre et inversement des trucs infâmes mal pressés qui sont en dessous de lp qui ont 40 ans. C'est surtout dans la qualité du pressage que ca se joue, moins ds le master.
Nagaoka for ever , the best to begin is the MP-200 :-) Pour ma part , une nette préférence pour la Nagaoka , et si tu as un peu d'oseille fonce sur la MP-200 ;-)
J'aime les 2 cellules. Elles ont chacune leur avantages et inconvénients. La micro line a l'avantage d' être plus propre dans l'écoute.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL I'd love to jump from 110 however I cant justify the massive price jump.
@@andrewsayers3392 yes, i agree. A good jump is Vm540ml
Unfair comparison, no level matching.
Le prix public de la Nagaoka MP 110 est plus proche de 160€ que de 130€. Ceci dit, je pense qu'il faut au moins un budget de 200€ pour trouver mieux.
Et encore, je ne suis pas sûr qu'une Ortofon Blue, par exemple, lui soit bien supérieure ...
Actuellement, la MP110 est à moins de 130 euros sur Amazon mais les prix varient bcq. J'ai pu avoir la 95ML a 120 euros mais en grosse promo. Les deux cellules ont des avantages et inconvénients (du moins sur mon installation). La Nagaoka me crée beaucoup de problèmes avec l'électricité statique. j'ai souvent de nombreux pops statiques en début de disque (C'est assez embêtant, cette cellule est très sensible). C'est une bonne cellule dont le stylus peut se trouver à 60 euros (ebay). La VM95ML a un stylus du prix de de la cellule, ce qui est beaucoup plus onéreux. Si je dois racheter une cellule plus tard ca sera la VM540ML, qui ressemblera bcq à mon AT440MLB, mais le prix est à 250 euros. Pour la Nagaoka , ll faut rajouter que la vie du stylus sera moindre en comparaison de la ML. 500 heures pour la Nagaoka MP110 pour plusieurs milliers d'heures pour la Micro Line. Je ne préfère pas tirer de conclusion de cette comparaison. Les deux cellules sont forts proches et la légère sonorité (volume) de la Nagaoka MP110 pourrait tromper le test.
Je viens de voir un test ou cette VM95ML serait supérieur à l' Ortofon Blue. Il faut écouter les fichiers et me dire ce lui que tu préfères,je te dirais lequel est la blue l'autre la VM95ML www.analogplanet.com/content/ortofon-2m-blue-versus-audio-technica-vm95ml?fbclid=IwAR2tPfsesXfp7OJ5lugoxa9eRc-4y69_t8IanzqrfI_wkHwgfirPrx9neKs
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL j’hésite entre la 95En et l’ortofon red(pour une At lpw40n)
@@theojalby336 perso, la différence entre l'orfofon red et l'audio Technica verte est minime donc pas d'intérêt de prendre la red, le gain ne sera pas énorme. Concernant la 95EN, je ne la connais pas mais perso, si j'étais toi je rajouterai 20 à 30 euros en plus pour prendre la VM95ML qui là est sensationnelle et fera une grosse différence avec la Vm verte de base.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL ok merci bcp
Terriblement interessant, il a de gens qu'adore les ATs et deteste les nagaoka's parce qu'ils seraient "sans personalité". J'ai les trouvés trop similaire par ce video pour dire une chose comme tel. Peut-être la VM95ML est moins aggressive pour les LPs grace a l'aigu microlinear, mais, au même temps, je pense que les nagaoka ont le meilleur tracking e ne besoin pas des adjustement trop precises comme les aigus nude... À la fin je reste indécise. Est-qu'il y a des differences caché par la compression de l'YT?
Correction : j'ai trouvé quelques indications des IGD par la Nagaoka, surtout dans les vocales, malgré son excellent performance sur les disques endommagés par le temps; elle apparaît, en tout façon, plus ouvert, au temps que l'AT apparaît un peu plus nettoyé ou contenue. Enfin je pense que j'ira acheter la VM95!
Merci par le vidéo alors, il est l'unique comparaison directe entre ces deux carts, c'est dommage la différence de volume dans la premiere sample, j'aime les Fleet Foxes :p
Ive said it TIME AND TIME again NOONE can beat the AT 95 series (its only better now ) period for price vs performance you got and can get it allllll !!!
Pour mon oreille, la Nagaoka est supérieure. Plus d'ouverture, plus musicale. En comparaison l'Audio Technica sonne étriqué.
Pour le Jazz je dirais la deuxième (Audio Technica) mais uniquement pour le Jazz. Pour le reste la MP-110. 👍🏻
Je suis d'accord avec toi, la Nagaoka a des faiblesses sur des musiques plus calmes. La cellule est plus ouverte et transmet donc plus les imperfections sur du Jazz our par exemple de la musique classique. Elle paraîtra par contre un tout petit peu plus vivante sur du Rock.
The Vessel A3SV splits the difference between these two to amazing effect.
AT superb highs(!), more pleasant sound.
recapitulation....but what first catches is what starts to bothers first. AT "attracive sound", little flatter and "tiny" voice. Nagaoka is more "natural" and good balanced - it´s MUSIC! Nag. for me.
AT sounds much more balanced with bass and treble.
MP110 has more color and harmonic distorsion. VM95ML is flat. I prefer the last one.
Anyone who prefers the Nagaoka based on this comparison needs to have his hearing checked.
My AKG says 110, Koss says AT. In conclusion, one doctor's appointment please 😊
Depends what system you have tbh and everyone hears different try moving you lobes and see what happens. I've just got the 540ml by going back to the nag might not be as crisp but it's fatiguing
Y a pas photo !! La Nagaoka est un cran au dessus 👍
D'après mon écoute au casque pas forcément...sur la première chanson, ça peut sauter aux yeux mais pas forcément sur les autres. Sur Miles Davis par exemple, la Nagaoka peut amener de faibles bruits parasites à bas volume. Mais pour la différence de prix, la Nagaoka reste la meilleure option.
J'ai testé avec mon matériel Project DC Carbon, cellule audiotechnica VM540ML , ortofon 2M red / blue / Bronze , puis Nagaoka MP-200 que je ne quitterais pour rien au monde ;-)
@@VinylLiveMusic40 Je n'ai jamais testé la MP200. Le prob de cette MP110 c'est sa durée de vie. Max 500 heures. contre plusieurs milliers pour les autres.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL j'écoute chaque jour environ 2h de musique sur vinyle, sachant que ma nagaoka mp 200 est d'occase (environ une centaine d'heures il y a 1 an), je dois être à 700 heures d'écoute, avec nettoyage par gel pad du stylus à chaque écoute et de brosse spécifique de temps en temps, pour le moment je n'entends pas de dégradation de la qualitédu son; j'ai même déjà un stylus neuf d'avance au cas où, acheté sur ebay au Japon pour 150€ sans taxes douanières, au lieu de 250/300 € en Europe 👍🎶🎵🎶🙏💕
Nagaoka was way louder!
Je préfère la MP 110 beaucoup plus net le son. Tandis que l'autre j'ai l'impression qu'elle réceptionne moins bien le son (un son un peu sourd). 👍🏻
J'espère qu'il y aura d'autres tests par d'autres youtubeurs pour vérifier ce test. La micro line a aussi l'avantage de reprendre moins les imperfections et certains bruits de surface plus accentués avec la Nagaoka.
Sûrement ! Surtout un en particulier qui aime les bonnes idées!😁
Tu as oublié de dire que le niveau de sortie de la Nagaoka est de 5 mv contre 3,5 mv pour l'Audio Technica. A l'écoute, la Nagaoka sonne donc plus fort, ce qui est hyper trompeur et peut paraître plus flatteur. Le morceau de Miles Davis montre que l'Audio Technica ML est beaucoup plus précise. La Nagoaka est plus ouverte mais retransmet moins fidèlement les sons que l'Audio Technica. L'Audio Technica a un diamant Micro Line bien au dessus du diamant elliptique de la Nagoaka, ça c'est un fait. (la cellule monte beaucoup plus haut dans les hautes fréquences par rapport à la Nagaoka) La Cellule Audio Technica ML est plus neutre et juste. Au même prix, je préfère avoir l'Audio Technica, le diamant vivra 4 x plus longtemps.
Que de sages paroles. Je possède la Nagaoka et l'AT en version shibata. Pour moi, il n'y a même pas discussion possible. Le diamant shibata met une droite + uppercut et finit avec une balayette. La distorsion disparait totalement sur les sifflantes et je ne parle même pas de l'inner groove. Quand aux bruits de surface et les craquements, le focus n'est plus sur eux. La nagaoka est un bon step par rapport aux cellules d'entrée de gamme mais ne peut rivaliser avec un shibata ou ML. Faut il vous donner le prix de la nagaoka équipée d'un diamant ML ? On peut s'offrir un petit stock de AT 95VM SH ;)
@@zzz4252 Merci pour ton commentaire. entre la SH et la ML (pour la série VM), il ya beaucoup de différence pour ce modèle ? Une autre personne me disait que la Shibata est bien mais qu'elle amplifie les défauts des vinyles, ce qui ne pardonne pas à la lecture.
@@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL Cela dépend grandement de l'historique du disque. S'il n'a jamais été lu avec un shibata ou micro line, on le remarque tout de suite. C'est comme si le disque était "plus jeune" (moins usé). Les craquements sont moins nombreux, voire inéxistants (sur disques lavés). Sur d'autres disques, c'est quasiment identique. Ni plus, ni moins, mais vraiment différent sur le ressenti. Pour moi, c'est l'aspect distorsion réduite qui m'a frappé. Je fais moins la grimace sur les forté et les sifflantes ;) A noter que le réglage VTA est important sur ce type de cellule mais ça en vaux la peine. Sachant que le prix est très proche entre les deux modèles, j'ai opté pour l'option qui sur le papier apportait le plus "d'air". Si on hésite, le ML est un choix plus conservateur. Tout dépend de ses gouts et de sa chaine et de l'état de sa collection.
@@zzz4252 la vm540 me fait de l oeil aussi.
@@zzz4252 moi aussi j ai la sh at95 c est une super cellule ya pas photo par rapport à ces 2 cellules😉
Nag 110 более открыто и немного ярче звучит, чем 95 ML. Audio-technica звучит строже и ровнее.
AT should last around 3 times longer than mp-110 because of ML diamond shape. Naga is on my shopping list though, I'd like to hear by myself what is all that hype about it.
Same for me, let me know what you find out.
@@andrewscott1253 I didn't go for Nagaoka , too much monies for a bonded elliptical. I just ended up with 95C, 95E and 95EN but not 95ML yet. Currently out of stock 8(.
@@killbasa2000 I have listened to the 95ML, it tracks very well but the sound for me is a little thin. I recently ended up with a Denon DL110 and oh my goodness its good.
@@andrewscott1253 I'm pretty sure it is a very good choice. Congrats!
This comparison makes no sense as the two tracks are not normalized in volume
La distorsion et la sibilante et moindre avec la ML. Si le video aurait été normalisé les gens aurait peut être voté pour la ML
D'accord avec toi, mais difficile de normaliser tout cela dans une vidéo compressée. Il faut retenir qu une plus grande ouverture ne donne pas une plus grande précision. La mp110 reste une très bonne cellule polyvalente mais la qualité du diamant est clairement en dessous de l'Audio Technica.
I think the Audio-Technica VM540ML is better than these
Naturally
🤔 There's no different.
*They sound the same*
The mp-110 is much more natural but the Audio-Technica seems to have the upper hand in channel separation and clarity
Pour ma part je préfère la Nagaoka MP110
looks like I'm gonna be another convert from Naga to AT. I just cannot stand sibilance or IDG,.
Than increase the weight a little bit on the nagaoka you already have. Track at 1,95 and you'll hear the difference.
Audio Technica
Fleet Foxes!.🤝
the AT sounds tinny to me in certain passages.
Please read my response to @br1878.
I’m a huge fan of Nagaoka & the legendary MP 110 & a huge AT fan. Comparing these two carts is kinda apples & oranges imho.
Thankyou dude.