Gold VS Steel Nibs - Is It Worth The Upgrade?

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  • @chi-towncalifornia5916
    @chi-towncalifornia5916 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great presentation! The only gold nib I’ve tried is in my medium nib Pilot Elite 95S, so I’m not really in a position to say much about gold nibs when compared with one another. I can, however, say that as far as feel is concerned nibs can be highly dependent on QC, tuning, nib size, paper texture and ink lubrication. No two otherwise identical nibs are always exactly alike in how they feel and write. I’d take a well tuned steel nib over an improperly tuned gold nib. Flex nibs are certainly nice to have, but otherwise, the risk of damaging or misaligning the nib outweighs the novelty factor for myself.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, and I completely agree! Also great first gold nib, the medium on my E95S is among my favorites.

  • @vwood2
    @vwood2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great demo! Thanks. I have both gold and stainless steel nibs - I honestly can’t say the gold nibs are not better the steel. For me, the grind and polishing have much more influence on the writing experience, than whether it’s gold. So I hope folks don’t feel left out just because don’t have gold nib pens. You make a great point about all nibs being composite metals, with no standards on how much gold content is actually present. If there’s a difference, it’s very subtle, and many people (me included) can’t feel one at all. The one exception was a vintage Pelican that I tried. Its gold nib was very flexible, but it was worlds apart from gold nibs today.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I actually mis-spoke. Gold content is the only thing that is reported on the nib (aka 14k, 18k, 21k). The other materials aren’t really standardized from brand to brand. I think the differences are pretty subtle (especially for people just starting out in the hobby) and in some cases people may actually prefer using stainless steel

  • @gilliebrand
    @gilliebrand 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very helpful, thanks for sharing.

  • @Flexperiments
    @Flexperiments 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video! One of the advantages of gold is the corrosion resitance. I personally prefer steel since I avoid corrosive inks

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is a very good point. Pitting is pretty common on steel nibs, especially vintage ones.

  • @MrAndrew1953
    @MrAndrew1953 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Definitely worth getting Lamy gold tipped nibs. I put them on my Lamy Idios. That’s what Lamy should have done in the first place. In Australia 🇦🇺 Lamy charged AUD $ 300 for that fountain pen with a steel nib and they didn’t sell. I bought 2 for $60 each in the end. Gold tipped nibs are much nicer to write with- much softer.
    Get a good quality pen like a Diplomat with a gold nib. Sublime.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I didn't realize the Idios can take a safari styled nib, or did you find a gold tipped idios/aion style replacment? I agree that in general gold nibs will feel softer, but I also don't know if that is universally desired. I know there are times when I prefer having a stiffer nib (for example, taking quick notes on the go).

  • @khk5723
    @khk5723 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Pilot has excellent nibs, if not the best out of the box. Now the holy grail nib is the one that you grind it yourself and perfectly suits your writing, even a custom steel nib can become your edc.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree, in my experience Pilot nibs have been the most consistent and smooth out of the box. And if you hone the craft of nib tuning/alterations, you can make your ideal grind with many pens🙌

  • @jamespicht1128
    @jamespicht1128 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Most of my nibs are gold, but I have three pens with steel nibs that I consider excellent, and one, a Diplomat Aero, is superb. It’s one of my five favorite pens. It’s in a medium cursive italic grind and is wonderfully smooth; flex isn’t an issue. I haven’t tried that pen with a gold nib, but I strongly doubt that it would be worth it to me.
    I’ll admit that I’ve bought most of my pens with an eye to the aesthetics rather than the writing quality, they only came with gold nibs, and those nibs were part of their aesthetic appeal. All have performed admirably as writers, but if I were buying a pen just for the writing experience, I’d go with a high-quality steel nib. And I much prefer to get line variation from the nib grind rather than from flex. I have a couple of vintage pens (Conway Stewart and Omas) with extremely flexible gold nibs, and a modern Pilot with a gold FA nib that’s also pretty flexible, but I find that a fussier approach to line variation than nib grind. I almost never use those pens.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like a great collection, what nib size do you have on your Aero? I enjoy the bounce of many gold nibs, but realize it’s not for everyone and personally I am not always looking for that writing experience either.

  • @eliali6484
    @eliali6484 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you! Very useful ❤

  • @AndrewWertheimer
    @AndrewWertheimer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great point. I was so disappointed when I got done of my first modern gold nibs. Vintage is often different though.
    Impressive that you have FP friendly copy paper. The paper at my work is so miserable with any pen.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AndrewWertheimer thank you! Paper is key with fountain pens

    • @AndrewWertheimer
      @AndrewWertheimer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens agreed. My wife teases me when I buy so many notebooks each time we go to Japan. So many fun inks there too. Matthew the Wet Pen has some fun videos of his travels there to get unique inks.

  • @Volkmannx
    @Volkmannx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting, thank you!

  • @NGMonocrom
    @NGMonocrom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Worth it? Yes! Speaking from experience, it is absolutely worth it; on a LAMY pen.
    Other pens from other brands? Maybe, maybe not. LAMY? Yes!

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed! Though it may not be so cut and dry for everyone ☺️

    • @davidnygard1817
      @davidnygard1817 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My Lamy Imporium runs circles around every other Lamy pen I have -- including my 2000. I just have never been able to tame that gorgeous 2000. It must be the way I write.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidnygard1817 the standard Lamy gold nibs have round tipping material, which is a very common style. The 2000 has either a stub (M-BB) or an architect (EF-F) grind, which has a learners curve and is much more dependent on writing angle / rotation.

  • @LaxiusOne
    @LaxiusOne 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am from India and here, the available Parker pens are made locally by a company called Luxor. They buyout manufacturing licenses for out of production Parker models like Vector, Frontier etc.
    They release both steel and gold plated nib variants for all ranges. It is generally known that the steel nibs are superior in smoothness to the gold plated alternative. Only people who are ignorant of this or just want a better looking pen go for the gold nib.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LaxiusOne that’s interesting. It’s my understanding both use the same kind of tipping material. Is there a reason people there assume stainless steel is smoother?

    • @LaxiusOne
      @LaxiusOne 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens It has more to do with the ink flow than the tipping material. I don't know the exact reason why but the prevalent view is that their 'gold colored metal' plated steel nibs has more issues with consistent ink flow with certain inks, no idea why.
      For 'premium looking' mass produced pens assembled by minimum wage workers in a sweatshop, that can 100% compete visually with the same original parker models, and sold at 1/6th of the plausable international price if the originals were actually in production today, you can only go so far... material, quality, and quality control wise.
      **Rant Incoming:**
      Infact, for the normal indian lower middleclass person(Luxor parker's intended customers) who does not know anything about premium fountain pens and has grown up using dirt cheap fountain pens worth 50 cents or so , the first 'premium' pen they buy is invariably a Parker pen, there are no exceptions. And buying a indian parker pen is like spinning a roulette wheel, because the quality all depends on luck.
      And because they don't have a frame of reference to what an actual solid fountain pen experience feels like, *(because Luxor Parker monopolises the retail fountain pen market completely. It is the only premium fountain company the Indian layman is directly exposed & advertised to)* they get adjusted to the scratchy writing and consider it normal, not even realising that it is a defective piece.
      **More Rant Incoming:**
      luxor Parker is infamous for its poor quality control, its most striking example being that the most common complaint of Parker Roller pens(not fountain) is that the refill leaks!. A Parker. LEAKING!. Like it was the single most important selling point that got parker on the map and now its the most common complaint here.
      Coming to other major issues, most of their fountain pens have issues not with the nibs itself, but with misalignment of the feed which also causes misalignment of the tines. It is a very easy fix as we just need to pull out the feed unit and realign the nib but most people does not know this and use it as it is.
      Their ball point is a complete travesty and everyone knows it. Everyone reviews the ball point negatively but still everyone buys it.
      Also, the Parker Qiunk inks sold here are not imported and parker has nothing to do with it. It is made locally by Luxor and it is also very cheap and of actually decent quality, to be fair. But If you contact the international parker company, they tell you that the indian quink inks are not made by them and that they do not recommend using them on original parker pens. Oh, The irony. Only two inks are sold in india, Luxor Parker QuinkWashable blue and Quink Black. Thr blue is a very pale ink that is infamous for fadng upto 90% in normal paper with 3-4 years. The Quink black is actually not true black but oxidises into coffee brown within a day... for those who like brown inks it is a pleasant surprise but for those who wanted actual black ink, well... not good.
      But don't ever think that they are a crappy company. They are a brilliant company marketing wise. What Luxor Parker India perfected were not pens but marketing and advertisement. It does not matter for the typical Lower middle class Indian full of insecurities that the pen he is carried does not work well, or that other local options provides an insanely superior writing experience. All it matters is that when he goes out to the discerning society, there should be that distinct eye catching Metal arrow on his pocket, that arrow Amithabh Bacchan(the most popular Indian Actor for generations) proudly held up in that advert he watched as a kid. The same arrow even the beggar on the street, or a villager from the remotest of locations, etc can recognise as that of a pen that is 'premium', atleast cost & status wise.
      It is the biggest name in the premium Indian Pen market and no other brands even come close, even when local brands and other international brands outperform Parker pens, writing experience wise... All because of that damn arrow.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LaxiusOne I’m sorry m, the market there sounds less than ideal. I could see the extra plating causing some issues, but haven’t personally seen a trend.

  • @oscarcalva2189
    @oscarcalva2189 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For a more appropriate comparison, compare a pilot steel nib vs a pilot gold nib. Or a Pelikan steel nib vs a Pelikan gold nib, to really see the diference. Lamy swappable gold nibs are not the best ones.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was trying to keep as many variables the same. So I picked 2 pens that feel the same in the hand, have the same ink, and the nibs have the same geometry but different chemical compositions. Lamy gold nibs aren’t necessarily my favorite, but trying to do this experiment with another brand wouldn’t be as close of a comparison.

  • @cmw9876
    @cmw9876 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could it be that some of the smoothness of the stainless steel nib is related to it's stiffness? I have a gold fine and a stainless steel fine. It may not be a fair question as I've gone to some trouble over several years to "smooth" the SS nib. The gold nib is untouched - I feel the 14K alloy is just a little delicate for my hands.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a possibility, especially if the inner portion of the tines is not polished smoothly. In general though, smoothness is more related to the tipping material size and polish.

  • @kan-zee
    @kan-zee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I tried a few gold nibs ....didn't like them...soft and got a little paranoid, bout damaging them ....would of cost a bundle , just to get the nib repaired..and even more to replace a gold nib
    but with a steel nib....more relaxing and easy to replace nibs.
    They write similar...good enough for me.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The differences can be pretty subtle, I enjoy steel nibs as more of a workhouse.

    • @luigig6256
      @luigig6256 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yet the Pilot E95 is a stiff gold nib. Smooth but no flex.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@luigig6256 it has good bounce but not much flex

    • @luigig6256
      @luigig6256 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens mine is a fine, perhaps that is why I class it as a stiff nib. I avoid pushing any nib. I think that the vintage nibs or true flex live the yoga but modern gild nibs not so much. Still, the E95 is one of my favourite pens.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@luigig6256 I have a vintage elite with a fine nib, and that one is very stiff. Haven’t directly compared the stiffness with the modern E95s

  • @bkbk1184
    @bkbk1184 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the 630 still your favorite steel nib?

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At the moment, yes. Though I can’t speak for how they are unit-to-unit.

    • @bkbk1184
      @bkbk1184 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens Thank you. Any other favorite pens you could point me towards? Looking to jump start my collection. Thanks.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bkbk1184 there are lots of great options out there. Do you have any in your collection so far?

    • @bkbk1184
      @bkbk1184 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens Lamy 2k and Pilot Metro, and a few Asvines. Honestly, the Metro is my favorite.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bkbk1184 sounds like a good variety, what do you like about the metro?

  • @thepipensparky7127
    @thepipensparky7127 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you say the line size is the same? i.e. if I like the Lamy steel Fine nib should I stick with a Fine gold nib or is it wetter, etc. and I should go to an EF gold nib?

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thepipensparky7127 I find the line widths to be pretty comparable

    • @thepipensparky7127
      @thepipensparky7127 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens Thanks!

  • @XtianApi
    @XtianApi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I dig the video, but to demonstrate that gold doesn't mean flex, chosing a tiny supported nib vs a large steel nib, is kind of funny.
    And yeah, if the nib is soft, I do find gold more pleasing.
    Also yeah, it is important to remember the tipping material isn't gold.
    Sort of how fake diamonds shimmer more that real.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! I more-so was trying to show nib design plays a major role in flexibility. The writing sample with the Lamy CP1 and 59 was designed to be more of an apples-to-apples comparison

  • @hendrikmoons8218
    @hendrikmoons8218 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Helo there and thanks for the very educational revieuw/comparison.
    I just bought myselve as a guilty plesure a Lamy Dialog cc Medium 14k Au nib.
    She is a very wet, smooth writer and I tought her very tip too was gold, It isn't!
    It is made of Iridium, an insane hard metal, polished to nearly military personels shoeshining for parade.
    I love my new pen, her size, weight and balance are as if she were designed with my hand in mind.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you like the Dialog CC, Lamy makes some of the best nibs I’ve come across! You are right about the tipping material. It gets welded onto the nib body and I believe both stainless steel and gold nibs use the same tipping material. Hence why it’s a myth that one is naturally smoother than the other.

  • @joaopicanco2180
    @joaopicanco2180 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, could you clear my doubt? a F nib uses more ink than a M one?

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Medium nibs in general will put down thicker lines than Fine nibs, so Mediums will go through ink quicker. But, there also isn't much standardization on tipping size across brands. So a Medium from one company might write similar to a Fine from another.

    • @joaopicanco2180
      @joaopicanco2180 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ForTheLoveOfPens ✍thank you.

  • @paulmchugh1430
    @paulmchugh1430 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have found the differences between steel and gold nibs to be almost minimal. One of my favorite nibs is the Leonardo Elastic Steel nib made by Jowo. If they were available separately I would attach they to many other pens.
    As for gold nibs, there is no question about my admiration for Pilot nibs - so smooth and consistent.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The differences can be very subtle and I think the degree of difference can be misleading (especially for new comers in the hobby). I may have to hunt down the elastic steel nib, haven’t tried one. Thanks!

  • @scriptkeeper8243
    @scriptkeeper8243 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lamy's Safari line nibs are pretty good steel. If you're gonna go gold, get their 2k's. That's a "worth it" step up.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love the 2000, but wanted to do an apples to apples comparison in this video since the 2000 has a different nib design.

  • @luigig6256
    @luigig6256 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not worth it on a Lamy.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What gold nibs do you like?

    • @luigig6256
      @luigig6256 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pilot (Justus, 823 are superb , the E95 is stiff but excellent). Montblanc, Aurora steel is more comfortable than my Two Lamy steels though the 2000 is quite good. The Dialog3 is disappointing. For starters.

  • @ichirofakename
    @ichirofakename 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The only reason I have for buying gold is too much disposable income.

    • @ForTheLoveOfPens
      @ForTheLoveOfPens  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

    • @nommh
      @nommh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I tend to buy vintage pens and they very often come with gold nibs. If they are old enough stainless steel was not what it is today, so they came in gold. I do prefer the slight bounce of gold nibs, have done since my mother gave me her Meisterstueck 32 when I was 16 or so. By far the smoothest nib I own is the one on my diplomat aero. Do I like it? No, it writes with the line variation of an ink roller and because I learned writing when nibs were semi-hooded I find huge nibs irritating. So which is the best nib? It is of course the one you love writing with the most.