Defunctland: The History of Disney's Scariest Attraction, Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour
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In this extra-spooky Halloween special of Defunctland, Kevin travels to Japan to discuss the history of Tokyo Disneyland's Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour, a terrifying creation. He also provides a short history of the Black Cauldron, so there's that.
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Hey everyone! Happy Halloween! Hope you liked the video. Small correction, I used the word lauded incorrectly. Calling myself out on this one. Slipped by my mind until I rewatched it. Have a great week!
Sweet monster mash parody tho
I love learning about all these old attractions and I get a little sad that I never got to experience them myself. This show is awesome good job
But why did you keep calling it a ride?
Great episode! I hope all is well, considering the reasoning for the delay.
When r the books getting shipped?
i think my favorite part is that the mystery tour had absolutely nothing to do with cinderella
so true
So, did you have beef with Cinderella at one point?
@@gracecarter2173 I think it's just because of the irony? 🤔
@@chinniebaby oh I see!
what villain from Cinderella could they have featured to fit in among the others, though? the old wicked step mother can hardly compare to dragons and demons lol
“Programmed not to mention WWII” hit me so hard I thought it was a parody
I cringed when he said they’d eat it up like rice
@@thebigchip1711 it's true tho
as cringe as "make the bad guys cry like an anime fan on prom night"
The entire thing seemed like a parody with bizarre it was. Seriously, I wonder if this was a commercial or a video meant for shareholders
Superiorartemis I mean knowing japan they’d probably have it so it does skip WW2
The Horned King is the most powerful Disney Villain cause he managed to do something none of the others did: almost bankrupt Disney Studios.
And failed, to the world's everlasting regret.
Best villain ever cause it did something good
@@haylinpm8973 too bad the movie couldn't do the same.
@@gregzotter6189 it’s far better than the woke shit Disney releases now.
@@geeebuttersnap2433 they don't do that though, because they love to appeal to russia and china
As traumatizing as this must be, I’m imagining some small kid very afraid of the experience being given the sword of light and doing the whole shebang and afterwards thinking “I… I did it!” and having an insane confidence boost from defeating the Horned King and getting a medal and being a big hero and stuff. That would have to be one of the most awesome, uplifting feelings ever.
I feel this is a big thing people miss from any dark or gothic material.
In most stories like this, the whole damn point is to find the "light in the darkness" and come out on top despite the gloom but everyone just hyper focuses on the setting or antagonist and how "terrifying" they are and denounces it as bad based on that. This is what made shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog so great; it scared the piss out of kids, sure, but it taught some very personal, close to the heart morals and was far deeper than anything we have today.
The Mystery Tour is probably one of my favorite examples of this effect working as intended because it scared the shit out of kids, sure, but it also taught them that they could conquer that fear through courage.
Most of them no doubt probably grew up to love horror movies and monsters later on and are subjecting their kids to this same stuff.
@@Impalingthorn Well, you have a point in saying that, but let me also say that I believe there is such a thing as going overboard. Like, I've read some tales, seen some things, the like, where there was a happy ending but the stuff that led up to it was so disturbing I was basically too shook or depressed to even appreciate it.
There've even been one or two times where I felt insulted to an extent, as if the happy ending were less a satisfying conclusion and more of a hand wave, as if it were an insult to anyone who couldn't handle the dark stuff and not anything to lift one's spirits.
And guess what? That threshold is different for everyone, and it's not a one dimensional axis either.
Know what I mean?
Funny because that's actually what a lot of haunted houses usually accomplish with adults. If they're done right, they can give us the confidence and motivation we need to push ourselves beyond a limit we didn't think was possible. I can definitely see a lot of kids being scared by this then coming back and going "U know what? I wanna keep going."
right now, kids have an opportunity to face Kylo Ren -- not an animatronic, a living person -- and defeat him
there's absolutely a market for the opportunity to defeat Disney's darkest (mortal) villain
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
Honestly, it’s a shame they pulled the plug on this entire concept. I’d love to go on an attraction themed entirely around the Disney villains scaring the shit out of you, it’s a super unique and cool idea. If it was handled better it might’ve been more well received and maybe even made its way to America
I'd LOVE that too, done WELL, and they could even have the heroes (not the princesses, the HEROES) as the tour guides as they lead you into trouble!
That was the beauty of this attraction. It was the only one in the world that featured villains.
@@TheTiktok4321 I love it for that, and I WISH there was one with all of them from the Evil Queen to Scar with the heroes (not the princesses, the GUYS) having to band together to defeat them! It could totally be a walk-through attraction that's also a stage show with the characters...or it could just have animatronics, that would probably be creepier and more effective.
@@jemofthe80s18 I think if you'd want a reskin of this actual style, the ideal 'guide' character would be Gaston, who'd absolutely lead a group in through a villains' lair and not see a problem with that until something goes wrong (that's basically the climax to Beauty and the Beast, after all). I could also see Aladdin working from a perspective of 'have the thief show you around where the bad guys hang out', but I think Gaston fits a more general aesthetic better. As well as being a lot of fun to play around with as a character, and a really good counter to how scary such a ride could be.
OH...I think I can picture that. Aladdin would definitely be undercover who isn't a bad guy because he's NOT one (man, that movie--any Muslim could've told them what happens to people who mistreat poor orphans as well as what it actually means to be a thief) but is the one who saves the day. Only Gaston is in charge who doesn't take orders from anyone but himself and would let everyone else die as long as he gets out okay and as the hero...that's the tour I'D like to see.
That racism was so casual it walked into work with jeans and a t shirt on Friday
Steamed Clams hahahahahahaha this comment is way too underapprciated
That’s how things were, it’s just the way it was.
@@krislupi66 a reason, but never an excuse.
It wasn't really racist... It was more jovial in tone.
LMFAOOOOO
Dude... working as the Myster Tour guide must have been EXHAUSTING. The sprinting, the screaming, the entire plot summary of Black Cauldron, the sword, the medal the inevitably traumatized child gets... they better have been paying those ladies well.
Spoiler: they weren't.
@@m1rac1e I think you'll find Japan has far stronger rules with wages than the USA.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra isnt japan the country with the worst work life balance and highest suicide rates
@@m1rac1e Isn't the USA the country where teenagers perform mass murder on their own classmates?
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra hush now children yall both suck
“That casual racism is scarier than any jump scare I could come up with.” I love you, Perjurer.
it's racist to want your country's companies to outperform another country? Ok, sure.
What was racist about it?
@@pmtcommenter393literally nothing at all idk why he said that
@@LezSpringfield "Eating it up like rice" seems pretty insensitive to say the least
@@ethereal231 whats so bad about eating rice
"Fellas, we're making a commercial about Disneyland Tokyo. What do you know about the Japanese?"
"Well, they're not buying our cars, that's for sure!"
"Perfect! Double down on it."
That’s because Japanese cars last way longer than American cars
breakingglass27 I’m surprised he didn’t say “They rove Disney rong time.” 🤦🏾♂️
@jeremy ray "What? NO! We programmed them NOT to mention the war! Why are they mentioning the war?!"
Tbh don't see the issue. It was just making jokes about topics relevant at the time.
Nicholas Sinard the issue is that they did it with the tokyo ad and not the american ads (unless they did and i wasn’t aware)
[horned king’s speech begins]
“oh this isnt even that ba-“
*S A T A N*
fucking same
_" h a h a h a "_
My exact thoughts lol
Bro me too lmao
I know really I don't recall hearing Satan in the lines in the black cauldron
Okay, my family lived in Japan in the 90’s (military), and when we moved back to the states everyone thought I was crazy when I would say that Cinderella’s castle was scary. Thank you for letting me know that this wasn’t just a fever dream
Freaky!
Unrelated: Your hair and makeup are gorgeous. 🤘🏾🖤✨
@@LoveMyUnusual Creepy pervert.
Honestly, it sounds amazing
I love the idea of a "hijacked" ride - it could have worked just as convincingly on a track ride by having a fake out part where the track is "supposed" to go one way, but the ride diverts to a track originally hidden to guests and takes them into the dungeons instead. Honestly concepts like this are disappointingly underutilised by Disney. You'd think with Haunted Mansion being so popular, they'd understand that going with interesting or unexpected concepts is much better and more unique!
With those new ride vehicles like the ones from Mickey’s Runaway Railway that could definitely work
I think if I understood your comment correctly, there's a ride similar to what you described! It's called Jurassic Park River Adventure, and can be found at Universal Orlando! It's a water based track ride, where park goers get into small boats and are taken on a tour through Jurassic Park. At one part of the ride, it seems as if the boat is going to continue on its "intended" path, but instead takes a left into the "restricted" section of the park, where hostile dinosaurs have escaped and are tearing everything to shreds. It goes from a relaxed water adventure through the scenic open-air dinosaur park with a calming over voice, to an escape through a closed-air facility with a person shouting over the comms! The end of the ride has a large T-rex - which appears as though it will eat the riders - before dropping them down a long slide. It's one of those splash rides that you only go on if you're willing to get wet. I remember going on it when I was younger (about 8 or 9) and being absolutely terrified because I thought that the ride had actually been thrown off track by the dinosaurs!
six flags over georgia monster mansion
@@janicekraken4700 I remember the level of commitment to trying to get a photo of the T-Rex right before the drop.
That's kind of how the story of Expedition Everest works. It's supposed to be a nice mountain train ride, the track is destroyed by the yeti, and then you go careening through the caves backwards. Pretty neat honestly
I love how the actual ride has nothing to do with Cinderella
Absolutely God damn nothing. It shouldn't be mentioned in the title.
that’s the point
@John-Paul Hunt what
@John-Paul Hunt Are you ok
@@SouthernBelleReviews ? That was the name of the attraction. What did you want him to do, make up a new name and pretend that's what it was called all along???
“That casual racism is scarier than any jump scare I could come up with.” Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Laura Klotz right?!
@whatisreality01 Grow up and stop screaming, child. Hopefully, you'll gain some wisdom by adulthood.
whatisreality01 the fact she referred to you as a child was her pointing out how immature you are, not inferior. shut up lmao
It’s really up to interpretation, as rice is the most popular food in Japan and has been for a long time.
It wasnt even racist, it funny lol
*The animators did exactly what was asked of them, re-did it to make some dude happy, and animated one of the most technically impressive animated movies of their time.*
Disney: "Yeah let's fire all the animators it's probably their fault somehow."
I don't think it was about fault, in fact, that might have actually worked against them there. They made a really cool movie and put a whole lot of effort in, but it was still a flop, despite all that. Corporate saw that the animation studio just wasn't pulling it's weight, so they thought about pulling the plug.
@@shreddedyeet corporate demanded that the movie be cut down, maybe the movie would've actually been successfull if it wasn't amputated that late into production.
Honestly, as much as I will always dislike the movie for butchering one of my favorite book series of all time (seriously, read "The Prydain Chronicles" by Lloyd Alexander--they're damn good and really sophisticated for a middle-grade children's series), I don't blame the animators at all. There were a lot of extremely talented people working on the movie, including '90s renaissance hotshots Andreas Deja and Glen Keane. For the direction and script they were given, the animation is actually pretty great, and a lot of the concept art is fascinating. I just wish they weren't trying to stuff two different books into one movie. :P
@@amiefortman7220(I know I'm late but) I've never heard of this film and the animation looks absolutely beautiful. It feels like maybe it was more of a plot issue, which is annoying because animators aren't writers. Not that they *can't* write, but they shouldn't be expected to if they're already spending 40hrs/wk animating. It sucks how everyone wants to blame the artists when animated films go sideways cause most of the time it is definitely not their fault
can we also talk about how katsenburg reportedly literally tore out large chunks of the movie? the reason why the film feels so bizarre and disjointed is because so much of the plot was removed and the last year of production was spent trying to redo as much as possible (which is also why some scenes look grainier/have strange colours compared to others)
Although honestly I think a lot of the animators probably just quit after this film - Tim Burton worked on it and cited the experience as the reason he gave up on animating
* Disney: * We need an attraction here. Something that says “Cinderella”.
* Imagineers: *
How about, instead, we lure 5-year olds in with the promise of Cinderella and surprise them by sending them deep down into a secret wizard dungeon that doubles as satan’s hell portal to swordfight with a demon overlord who is trying to boil the human race alive in his sacrificial hell cauldron so he can plunge the earth into infinite darkness in accordance to Satan’s wishes!
* Disney: * .... Genius.
also said overlord is the scariest disney villain ever
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
And then of course in my mind I'd be thinking I don't remember the story and Cinderella going like this.
Disney: lol, have an Isekai adventure, kids!
Sora: uh sir, This is a Wendy's
the Japanese Disney commercial is like something out of a Family Guy joke or something
I agree. It's like a parody, except back then it was normal to say those things.
@Aspiring Marauder same luck as ameicans admitting the rape and wrong doing on the middle east, africa or any latin country they where set to protect
@Aspiring Marauder i know it isnt just whites ruining everything, come on, rwanda, myanmar, boko haram, china, the modern slave trade. My point was that every country tries to cover what they did, until they cant do it anymore
you must not know dick about starkid workin boys. -I legit have nothing to say except that-
My thoughts exactly. You do that today, a shit storm of gigantic proportions is coming your way.
“Programmed not to mention world war 2”
I can’t tell what’s real and what’s satire anymore
That was newsreel in the 80s.
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
@@Hannah_The_Heretic "Alright kids, nuking civilians was a shitty move, but have you heard about the Rape of Nanking?"
Also "eating it up like rats" like holy shit--
@@AdamOfIngolstadt *rice
My girlfriend actually went on this ride when she was a kid back in 2002. She said it was the closest thing to a Kingdom Hearts ride she has ever seen
If Iger had had the sense to use Disney's existing IPs instead of just buying everyone else's, we'd probably already have a Kingdom Hearts attraction by now (or maybe even its own land!)
@@Viking_Luchador that would have to go through Square enix. They originally had a (very scary) Sora walk around costume but that was only to promote Chain of Memories. There is no themed land for it yet.
I know there isn't. That was my point.
Young Tetsuya Nomura on the ride: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
Honestly, I'm surprised Black Cauldron hasn't shown up in KH
This actually makes sense as a Japanese attraction. As far as I understand, lots of Japanese adolescents love a good test of courage during summers and camps, so it works as a concept. Yes, it’s a little extreme for the younger children, but that’s why it’s great to have it as a group attraction in this case.
Ghost stories are also a much more significant part of Japanese culture than the west.
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
@@Hannah_The_Heretic ,,,,do you feel good about yourself. Does mentioning japanese generational trauma make you genuinely laugh out loud
@@warnegoodman that's kind of what I was thinking, although I'm american so I can't speak definitively on it. Different cultural norms and whatnot, americans are very Afraid of spirits in general
@@warnegoodman
Definately yes! Japan is notorious for creepy!
I want to exist in an alternate universe where Disney kept going with the Black Cauldron concept and eventually goes full death metal.
They could be- Disney reacquired the filming rights for the Chronicles of Prydain (from which the Black Cauldron is derived), two years ago. So odds are they're going to remake the film itself and/or possibly do the other books in the series in turn.
@@ravenf6 Well, they are doing Live Action reimaginings of their animated films. Black Cauldron, of all of Disney's animated films, could honestly use the Live Action treatment. It could certainly use it WAY more then, say, The Lion King -_-
Whenever I hear that idea, it reminds me of Metalocalypse.
Matt N yeah, I’d love an 80s nostalgia live action reimagining of the Black Cauldron like Princess Bride or Willow but with higher quality and modern technology... it would be fucking awesome
@@worrywirt You can't have better quality than Princess Bride or Willow today... it's all CGI crap and marketing bullshit.... They were and they still are cream of the crop.
Coming soon: Disneyland New York, programmed not to mention 9/11.
Disneyland Rio de Janeiro,
Progamed not to mention 7x1
LMAO
Or Disney's Waco, TX attraction where it has no mention of the Branch Davidians and David Koresh.
Ufff a ride in where you are in one of the plains
Yeah why would you want to mention it in a fun theme park ride?
"the guide then describes the film's plot, an integral part of the spiel considering no one watched the film"
that was way funnier than it needed to be lmao 💀
Saw this while I lived in Japan. Hands down my favorite attraction. It felt like a secret tour we stumbled on because no one was waiting in line for it. Even though my mom didn't speak Japanese and couldn't understand she really enjoyed it as well.
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
@@Hannah_The_Heretic Get a life!
@@Hannah_The_Heretic ? Huh
@@Hannah_The_Heretic you really want people to laugh at your joke huh
me halfway through ride: this is pretty cool, but not that scary
horned king: *YOU WILL BE SACRIFICED*
To satan mind you... In a mother fucking disney ride.
@@whoopingmuffin9700 Yeah I thought that one of Disney's main rules is that they don't bring religion into anything lol
@@cashwin45 Maleficent directly references hell in Sleeping Beauty. Not just spooky scary skeleton magic, mind, but rather *actual* hell.
It's kinda metal, honestly. If that dialogue is a direct translation from what the Horned King says, that's way more intense than anything I've seen in Disneyland, even the end of Mr. Toad. It's a shame to think that if they'd tried this same attraction here, American parents would almost certainly have been crying about their poor little angels being scarred for life.
@@kylefrank638 Yeah... but hell isn't part of a specific religion... it's a common belief that hell exists, in Greek mythology, Christianity, Judaism, etc. Satan is unique to Christianity.
I would LOVE to do an English version of this. The idea of the castle having actual dungeons is so cool.
yess
same
They could actually make it to an "omni ride" like in the Pooh bear ride at tokyo Disney land or Mystery Mansion at Hong Kong Disney land
Yeah (gonna have to be in California since Florida has those pesky aquifers that would cause lots of water damage to the ride, though IDK how basements work in California so it might not work there either).
makes you wonder what the fuck Cinderella's problem is though. Or I guess her in-laws' problem. Did she throw her stepsisters and that fat mouse that almost ruined everything into the cauldron?
Unlike a lot of other defunct rides covered on this channel, this one sounded like a really high quality attraction. Would make for an amazing seasonal attraction during autumn.
"Saying the most terrifying anything to ever appear in a Disney ANYTHING." The Horned King should get a medal for THAT!
After seeing the horned king animatronic I have come to the conclusion that I must have it.
unfortunately, unlike buzzy, he is not currently left alone and out in the open for anyone to take.
@@ihatemyname2816 thats just what a quitter would say
@@applesKIWISbananas well if National Treasure taught me anything
While the black cauldron had a lot of issues... the horned king is still the most terrifying and my personal favorite disney villain
*I'm gonna get it first. O-O*
"The guide then describe’s the film’s plot… an integral part of the spiel considering that no one watched the film."
;__;
Oof
You were spill
I hope he means those in Japan, because I want to give him a BIG “F you” for saying that.
I really liked it as a kid......
@@anonymousanonymity2815 same, it's one of my favorites
“The fairy tale hall fits the theming and tone of Cinderella’s castle better than Mystery tours did”
You know what? Yeah. Why does Cinderella have a dungeon in her castle??? 😂
Weird kinky things
@@sephikong8323 remember, Cinderella didn’t build this castle. Her in laws did…might just be a worse thought ngl poor Cinderella
In case the plebes get uppity. Why else?
@@NotOurRemedy Lmao oh shit 🤣
She might be a Disney heroine, but she's still an absolute monarch.
god I admire this ride so much. from the lack of overt announcement that it will be scary, to the reliance on live performance to carry guests through it, to the use of characters and story elements from a lesser known but quite interesting little film for its basis, it's all just so good. If Disney did more shit like this I'd be way more interested in going!
I would have loved it as a kid. Heck, I'd be into it even now.
I believe The Horned King's speech is swiped verbatim from Michael Eisner's dialogue to himself in the mirror each morning.
@Adrian Well he overspent on buying assets especially 20th Century Fox if he hadn't bought so much to the point where Disney is practically a monopoly they'd probably have been a bit more financially stable during this pandemic for at least a little bit more into the year.
Disney is evil
The Black Cauldron is probably my favorite Disney movie simply because I adore The Horned King.
This comment made me cackle aloud and interrupt my mom's tv show
there are tears coming out of my eyes
"While the band plays on, Japan is eating it all up like rice."
Like Holy shit dude?!
OMFG! Really?!? Yeah I can't believe i just heard that.
America is eating it up like big Macs. Canada is eating it up like poutine. Israel is eating it up like falafel. Turkey is eating it up like doner kebab. France is eating it up like crepes. Germany is eating it up like bratwurst. Pakistan is eating it up like biryani.
@@ac2496 lmao “It’s not racist if it offends everyone!”
@@UC95mhG_3gy5GpQmB0kFf_Gg That’s fair enough.
I just disagree. The idea that all Asians eat rice is a stereotype that has been used to degrade people. I personally believe that generalizing stereotypes made towards one race by another are just as racist as slurs.
It’s basically the same as saying that they all look the same to me.
Again, though. I can see your reasoning, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@Michael Ok, that’s fair enough, but as I’ve said already, this is a manner of opinion. Nothing you say is going to change it and nothing I say is going to change yours.
So let’s just drop it.
4:41 this entire commercial is a bruh moment
No, it's actually a backhanded show of respect. America in the 1980s was paranoid that the Japanese had replaced them at the world's superpower, so the casually racist banter is a sign that America considered Japan as a potential equal. It's like how every passive-aggressive comment made by Europeans at the expense of Americans is made out of insecurity at American power and influence.
@@darkfool2000 Well said. The "they aren't buying our cars, but gobble up our culture" is a tacit and fraternal admission of defeat in one field and a tongue-in-cheek boast in another.
i thought it was a parody at first
I actually loved the Black Cauldron. I liked that it was a Disney movie that was darker and more mature, something you want as you grow older. I also learned years later that the Horned King was voiced by the legendary John Hurt, which makes me love the film more. I do know and understand the flaws of it, but I like it and I like that they built an attraction around it. The Horned King is a scary and badass villain
Same. It’s one of my favorite Disney movies of all time. Horned King is one of my favorite villains. Wish they had this attraction still. I would love to go for the first time. Also never been to Disney parks and want to go
"Japan's eating it all like rice."
WOW that will definitely not fly by with today's cultural standards
It’s kinda funny actually - even though the line can be seen as (and probably was intended to be) racist, Rice is the most popular food in japan, and to extent most Asian countries
Cedric Dungo i wanted to laugh at it but it felt wrong and I ended up coughing
It feels really racist and yet I can't come up with a logical explanation why it should. 🤔
Cedric Dungo weren’t you paying attention? It didn’t fly by yesterday’s cultural standards either. The only difference is the groups complaining about it have changed.
Wow. I wasn't expecting this to blow up.
It's not even that I was offended it was just that I was amazed at how casual it was.
Any other kid who is chosen to defeat the Horned King: *Screaming and crying*
That one kid who played Legend of Zelda and Kingdom Hearts: "It's like, I was born for this..."
man fuck chernabog
Also that kid; pulls out ocarina and furiously plays it at the horned king
It's funny because, both The Black Cauldron and the original Legend of Zelda came out at around the same time and both feature green tunic wearing heroes, a blonde princess clad in purple and pink, and evil king/wizard.
I was chosen when I visited (being from America) and it was dope. I did feel that too, was like "bring it on..."
@@RoxieMarquez_marroxeli
Woah that's awesome!
I like how the mirror looks like the way they do makeup in Kabuki, traditional Japanese theater. Always appreciate how Japan uses its culture in creative ways, so that you don’t even realize you’re encountering it until you learn about it.
I think an entire villian park would be a HIT. Imagine an evil castle and multiple villian areas. Disney's gotta do it.
YAAAS! I would love to go! I can imagine it. Oh how scary it would be dealing with them wanting to kill us and we have to defend ourselves eventually.
I love to meet every Disney villain. Even the ones that are very underrated and overlooked by many.
I would absolutely bloody love this!! Lots of creepy and scary rides would be amazing. Id love like a scary/thrilling underwater ride for Ursula/Captain hook. A creepy safari kinda ride for scar and the hyenas. There's honestly so much they could do,and I think it would be one of the most popular parks ever
I remember this nightmare attraction when my parents took me in 1988 (I was 6). I cried the whole way through and thought the only reason I was chosen to defeat that scary ass demon, was the guide thought I was legit traumatized...and I was. Thanks for putting this together. Good to know I didn’t make up this crazy experience!
sugaisun Do you still have your medal?
You're a hero!
I cried on the Snow White's Haunted Castle ride in Orlando and buried my head in my mom's shoulder the entire time...I was 15...
@SublimeHawk6 I'm a wuss. I'll own that lol
Animatronics freak me out.
I hope you have the medal still.
It's awesome they give a presumably horrified child the chance to banish one of the most evil demonic forces in Disney history. That's something you'd never forget.
9:24 Not gonna lie, this part sounds absolutely badass
EDIT: Scratch that, this whole thing sounds fucking metal.
That’s pretty incredible to build a company where, even after you die, the biggest arguments for the direction of the company’s projects are over what you would’ve wanted. And then the resolution being that they literally can’t match the innovation brought, so the philosophy becomes “turn the imagination up to 11”
Damn that Defunct Hell song was genuinely great.
"Now most of Six Flags is down there"
WHO DID THIS I NEED THIS IN MY SPOOPY HALLOWEEN PLAYLIST
Yes the lyrics are great but did anyone else notice that the tune sounded like "Monster Mash"?
@@gregbrockway4452 yeah, I thought I'd recognized it. Wasn't sure though
We require a standalone video for the song
Are we not gonna talk about the folder names in the opening:
"Finale Ideas" "Sick Eisner Roasts" "Pictures of Wax Museum Brad Pitt" "Misc."
ah yes, the four genders
Misc scares me the most
I love that the mirror dude's face is painted similarly to the style of Japanese kabuki theater masks.
I noticed that too! It's really neat!
With all these live-action remakes happening at Disney, A live-action version of The Black Cauldron NEEDS to be one of them.
Damn it this is so good. You are so good. I love this channel so much.
omg garrett daddie
hi garret i love you
bro u gunna talk abt shane anytime soon...
Omg GARRETT 💜
You come here often?
It's so sad how badly Disney has treated The Black Cauldron. Fans have been begging for a decent home release (especially with the deleted footage restored) for decades. Just today it was announced that there is a blu-ray box set of every Disney animated feature up to 2018 for the holidays BUT there is a little asterisk stating that The Black Cauldron wouldn't be a blu-ray but an old DVD (which itself was probably an old laserdisc transfer). So instead of getting a proper transfer or even just an HD transfer, the movie gets shafted once again. And the worst part is, the Black Cauldron was the only other Disney animated movie made for 70mm besides Sleeping Beauty. It would benefit the most from a proper restoration/transfer compared to any other post-Sleeping Beautry feature when Disney switched to cheaper techniques.
If I were Disney I'd do the exact same to a movie that nearly destroyed my company.
THEY'RE DOING EVERY FILM EXCEPT TBC?!?! JFC I'M GONNA KILL DISNEY
That movie sucks anyways :|
MrTBoneSF loved the movie a child and may have been one of the only people to see it in the theater jk. I wasn’t scared at all and found sleeping beauty scarier. I rewatched it last year and it’s still good and would love to see those missing 10 minutes
Well, Disney is planning on doing a reboot. Hopefully, if it does better, they'll start acting like TBC exists.
Aww man, being a host on one of those immersive type rides is so fun but so tiring
I was a host for an immersive experience based on the Sherlock TV show and doing a show super early in the morning and super late and night was TOUGH. However when you've got an experience that has such strong tech elements its really easy to react to the things happening even though you've done it many times before
Wtf how was there an “immersive experience” based on bbc sherlock
This looks like it was awesome I'm also reminded that at one time Disney considered making " the dark kingdom" which would be a villain themed park (the consept art is floating around the internet it's castle would have been maleficent's from sleeping beauty) given twisted wonderland a Disney villain mobile game is quite popular currently I think they should reconsider axing the dark kingdom maybe even revive this ride for it!
I think that is insanely good theme for a Disney park: however, I don't know how you draw families v older crowds
well with the rise of disney adults, this would actually be wonderful! i know my edgelord ass would have loved something like that as a kid
Yeah this made me think of Twst too. Would love to see even a small portion of Tokyo Disney with a dark kingdom!
YES PLEASE!!
I went though this, I was maybe 5 years old. My family was stationed outside Tokyo on an Air Force base. I held the sword at the end of the ride, it was terrifying! What you didn’t see was the apparitions around the horned king flying out the cauldron which made the experience that much scarier. Oh! And the friggin sword they gave you to thwart the villain lit up and vibrated like crazy. Thank you Tokyo Disneyland for that expreiace/ trauma. 😂
wow man, that’s amazing and unbelievable (yet pretty believable) that you went through the tour alone at age 5 in the late 80’s early 90’s (?) just a different time back then that’s for sure, and yes you were amazingly brave to make it through at age 5. i’m guessing that your parents talked w the guide and a few other adults before ? wow alone through that at age 5 is just amazing. really up until maybe 13-14y/o would be really really scary I’d imagine...
I share the same trauma! I visited Tokyo Disney when I was 6 and my dad insisted on taking me on the tour because he thought it was a princess castle tour. I had a terrible feeling from the beginning for no reason and kept asking my dad to leave the line with me, but he kept assuring me it would be okay for an hour. I thought maybe I was overthinking it when the guide brought us to the castle doors, but then I looked up and saw the Magic Mirror in like the tiniest form possible. I begged dad again and he said it was just a regular mirror. HE WAS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING! Little me couldn’t comprehend that all of it was fake and was 100% convinced we were going to die during the room with the Horned King because the skeletons below reassembled themselves and their empty sockets glowed red. I remember frantically trying to figure out how to fight them until the hero stepped in. No small child should be subjected to the stress that this attraction brings when you don’t understand any Japanese omggggg. This was in 2001 or 2002.
At one point we’d see other cast members in the dungeon and I was like YES WE’RE SAAAAVED! Someone is here to help us! But they didn’t move at all (I’m guessing they’re just cast members that make sure guests don’t do dumb things in a dark and narrow tunnel.) so I thought they were possessed. Little 6 year old me was very stressed and kept thinking of various escape and/or kill plans.
you still have your hero medal?
@@drewfinn2 I think Japan is considered a lot safer for kids to be alone compared to America. Human trafficking is a smaller risk there and everything is generally more orderly, especially back in the 80’s
"The film's failure made the new executive team question the existence of the animation department."
I know you meant continued existence, but that phrasing still makes me chuckle.
we think the animation department may not be real after all
The problem is in America, when we think of an animated movie, we think it is a cartoon. Silly, but happy and make you laugh. In Japan, an animated movie can be more like anime, which often has a darker and more serious tone and not necessarily a happy ending. The Black Cauldron is definitely not a kid's cartoon more like a Japanese anime. Since the Japanese audience are more use to his darker form of animation, they would be more receptive to that type of film.
@@bermanmo6237
I disagree with this and I really don't see what it has to do with the original comment.
Ditto then the Black Cauldron plot was "lauded" instead of panned.
When he met with the animators for the first time, Eisner spoke and tried to get familiar with the team. While talking he cited his favorite cartoons...not one of which was a Disney product. So maybe he didn't know they had one.
I went to this attraction with my family when I was 6, didn't understand a word they were saying but my parents did and urged me to went up and do the honor of course I was scared shitless. A Japanese kid of my age however went up and received his medal prize. I thought it was some kind of a fever dream till this day bc al most none of Disney yt channel mentions it.
That walk around character is the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen
4:53 "They're programmed not to mention ww2"
4:58 "They're eating it up like rice"
Damn 80s Disney was savage
More like news outlets, damn they were relentless
Damn I was like if they did that today my god 🤣🤣🤣 wont buy our cars but buy our culture yeah 80s Disney was super savage
I lol'd pretty hard when I heard him say that now. My Dad would've chuckled at it in the 80's and I would've been an oblivious kid
Disney had nothing to do with that news broadcast, they wouldn't even buy ABC until the 90s, if that was even an ABC clip.
5:07 _now if they only buy our chevrolets_
"Sick Eisner Roasts"
"Pictures of wax museam Brad Pitt"
This guy has his priorities in order.
That was a sick Black Cauldron roast at 11:44 as well. "An integral part of the spiel because *no one watched the film."*
now googling wax museum brad pitt
well, it looks like brad
@@SmaMan That one just came off as mean-spirited. After all, The Black Cauldron actually was quite popular in Japan.
I don't recall the Brad Pitt thing. What video were you watching? There was only one Eisner roast in this one. Katzenberg was roasted more.
jacoblgames 00:09, top right corner
Lol imagine being a kid expecting a tour of Cinderella’s castle and minutes later you’re being threatened with death by a demon king. That must be traumatizing and I love it.
The ending part with a magic sword, defeating the horned king who is basically a demon lord? It reminds me so much of Dragon Quest. And DQ is very popular in Japan. Imagine a kid who played DQ, and got to be chosen as the sword wielder in this ride, that kid would be so happy 😆
I don't know much about Dragon Quest, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's part of why the ride did so well. The Legend of Zelda also features a young hero with a legendary sword smiting a demon king!
The mirror face and character that walked around were actually the perfect blend of Japanese sensibilities onto a US character. The mirror in fact looks like a guy with a kabuki mask on--or at least with face paint quite like it. It is almost more amusing and clever to me than it is terrifying.
I wish you had the Japanese audio in here, I would love to know if the mirror talks with a dramatic air, like you would expect going to see kabuki itself.
I guess this is why I don't get why they couldn't get a Japanese actor for it. With such heavy makeup, they could have found a Japanese person with the right face.
Looked like No Face from Spirited Away! ☻
@@notdarrell yeah it does!
It looks japanese
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
P R O G R A M E D N O T T O M E N T I O N W W 2 4:52
Turtle ofPride YIKES
I literally cringed, now that was spoopy
Yeah that one made me wince
What happened to China between 1937-1945. We were invited for tea it was nice... no rape, no massacres, certainly didn't kill almost 22 million people
We among other things. We're invited to have tea with the English in Hong Kong,Mayla,Burma and India. And totaly not force Obi Wan Kenboi to build a Railroad.
I legit wonder how many Japanese park guests heard the Black Cauldron's story during Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour and thought, "Legend of Zelda?" The Black Cauldron and Zelda releasing only several months apart.
I remember loving the Ghost Train in Tokyo Disneyland because none of the cast members smiled. If you've been to Japan, you know how unusual that is. They were all very solemn (and wearing very cute maid headbands with bats on them that I *wanted*-)
I think 2006 might have been the year we were in Japan, or perhaps it was a few years later. I do vaguely recall either some construction was going on at the castle or it was all hotels.
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Being the kid who got to hold the sword and be the hero sounds like it must have been the closest anyone could get to living a classic adventure, which the horror must have really strengthened like it does in eighties adventure movies. Usually. I'm unimpressed with Disney attractions that seem like safe and straight forward entertainment spots, while everyone lauds it all as the most magical place on earth (which is really sad if that's the case). But with an attraction like this ,any kid who got to go through that must have actually felt like they were experiencing magic.
Craig Trautman jr so so true...you're comment is under-appreciated
You should look at the place called Evermore out in the Midwest of America!
honestly ive ended up liking universal much more... they got something for everyone... the scary, the gentle, and the magical... Disney has fallen from grace lately and its not really "magical" outside of a few rides and all the good rides have pretty much left anyways...
Join a mystery school.....
@@squidmcinks9537 Universal>Disney
Me and my family got to go to this attraction when I went to Tokyo Disneyland. I had no idea it closed down! People really missed out!
Now pretty much the only unique stuff there is going to get sea salt ice cream, stealing the room keys from the hotel, and then leaving to go to the Square Enix store in Tokyo because that’s where all the Kingdom Hearts merch that you don’t have to steal is
@@phoenixfritzinger9185 😭 HOW DID IT TAKE UNTIL TODAY FOR ME TO PROCURE THIS INFORMATION
@@phoenixfritzinger9185 imagine still playing overwatch
@@davrellmylkajowkins833 hey ):
Man, this attraction sounded really cool! Not only because it was like a haunted house, but because it went against expectations of the guests. I wish I could have experienced it!
Went to Disney Tokyo in 2008. Sad that Mystery Tours already closed. Watching this, I think this is the most Kingdom Hearts like experience in my eyes.
I'm wondering if this ride had any impact on the Kingdom Hearts creators! It even reminds me of some of the dungeon areas in Birth By Sleep. And also would make the addition of the Chernabog in Kingdom Hearts 1 make sooo much more sense!
Ngl a kingdom hearts ride would be cool, even if the legal shit would be a nightmare. The premise would be super easy: joining sora and company on a gummi ship ride that takes you over several worlds before ending with a confrontation with a massive heartless.
@@TheBonkleFoxngl, a rollercoaster around a Darkside would go hard
I wonder how much they bothered to remove from the ride after it was closed? I like to think that the Horned King and his un-dead army are still down there, plotting their revenge...
I like to imagine the Horned King is just partying it up downstairs under the name of DJ Dead-beats; laying down some maleficent jams for all those crypt crawlers, shaky shamblers, and baleful bailarínes. They've all had a bad case of brain rot, so he's teaching them how to live a little with his wrathful rhythm.
I hope I'm not the only person that uses maleficent as an adverb.
@@gregorymckenzie7511 I guess dubstep never dies :P
They had to install new bracing to make the castle stable. That meant no room to leave Black Cauldrons or characters behind
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Aww, bummer.
Maybe they used the horns for bracing? ;)
Oh geez, that tokyo disneyland commecrial sure is... something.
Fun fact though: Osamu Tezuka, creator of Astro Boy and Kimba the White Lion, was actually a major Disney fan and much of anime's big-eyed art style that Tezuka popularized comes from him watching Bambi over 80 times in theatres as a kid.
Kid? Tezuka was 23 when Bambi came out in Japan (he still watched it more than 80 times though).
@@Painocus 23 _is_ a kid.
@@brettvv7475 Especially back then that's an adult. "young" would be more accurate to say
This might be one of the cooler attractions I have heard of. I would LOVE to see an English version of it, or something else centered more around the villains, and dark themes, but obviously that's not really Disney's cup of tea so it'll probably not happen again.
holy shit dreg's promise can i have an autograph
The black cauldron is such a great movie that is underrated af.
Its awesome that you enjoy it but its by no means a great movie
If anything needs a remake its the black cauldron
Holy shit the shade in that tokyo disneyland trailer
nockels sez right?!?? Wow.
“The casual racism is scarier than any jumpscare I can come up with”
What shade? What racism? If the animatronics are programmed to not mention world war 2 then you lot are programmed like good NPC's to find racism in everything. Acknowledgment that a different race or culture _is a different race or culture_ is not racism. Acknowledging that Japan doesn't need/want American cars is not racism. "Eating it all up like rice" is not racist. Asians eat a lot of rice. Rice is a base food in Asia just as pasta is in Italy. It's a factual statement. My Chinese friends eat rice for 90% of their meals. It is not demeaning, nor is it meant to be. De-program yourselves from your idiotic madness.
@@UnitSe7en Someone is triggered
@@ilyaakadishtungha7337 Someone needs something productive to add else they may as well not be here.
@@UnitSe7en Because ranting at random people on the internet is productive. Lmfao.
Such a shame when fun stuff like this gets removed from theme parks. I’d have liked to experience this one.
Not to mention Walt Disney liked scary stuff
Yeah
Yeah sounds pretty fucking metal to me
Me too
TK Crossdive same. Most people are boring, this looks cool as hell
The uniqueness and creativity of the ride and its ultimate lack of notoriety really parallels the black cauldron itself, it's one of the most interesting disney films to me because of its structural similarities to the disney renaissance films, but incredibly dark tone that taks itself more seriously. I feel like both of them would have been really great if they'd been handled a little differently.
the black cauldron instilled a very specific kind of psychological trauma on me as a very very young child
The Black Cauldron is the one Disney movie I wouldn’t mind seeing being remade into live-action.
much like chowder's face
That’ll be cool and bring the classic animation back and bring the merchandise
Nah just keep it as animation stop encouraging shitty live action reboots those never work out and everything looks corny asf but due to how everything is nowadays in society it'll just be sjw garbage with forced diversity, gender swapped roles for no reason, and much more shit so in other words FUCK NO :D
Someone's not having a very good 2018.
So naturally, it will be the only Disney movie to not be remade into live-action.
THE BLACK CAULDRON DEMANDS MORE BODIES
jesus christ lmao
zelel And the floor is literally scattered with bodies in skeletal form.
zelel you wont be
I thought The was going to say that they started moving, that would be terrifying!
*f o r k i d s*
No not jesus
Satan
The Black Cauldron was one of the best movies. I played it so many times that I wore through the VHS tape
When we did this one, my American 6' brother got chosen to get the sword. It was a fun walk through, especially as we'd grown up with the early Sleeping Beauty walkthrough, my family didn't mind the language barrier.
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And most importantly actually post videos frequently
It's weird that they thought the magic mirror would be unrecognizable if he was played by a Japanese actor. The mask-face is kinda ethnically ambiguous anyway, but the makeup they put on the actor looks almost like kabuki theater stuff...I don't think under all that facepaint the ethnicity of the actor is very recognizable. And honestly...if I'd seen a picture of that makeup job out of context it would not have been immediately obvious to me that it was supposed to look like the mask in the Disney movie.
I find it weird that they used a live actor. Even when Hans Conreid did it in the Disney Christmas special in the fifties, it was disturbing. The mask figure is so brilliant and effectively "Disney" that a live actor makes it go "off-model." The castle tour could have easily animated it with the tour guide acting in time to it. Then it could have had all the effects added too.
Lisa Jonasson Yeah, I would not have guessed it was the magic mirror from Snow White. Maybe they just wanted to make him look more Japanese, so they made him look more kabuki theater instead of Snow White?
I don’t know why they didn’t animate it. I guess Disney America couldn’t do lip syncing for Japanese, or maybe Disney Japan had limited animating capabilities?
“The early 80s loved castles and knights as much as the early 2000s loved vampires and werewolves” boy did I grow up in the wrong era.
Considering how popular DnD is these days, it definitely would be well received if it makes a comeback.
Am I the only one that feels like the Black Cauldron could be remade as a badass metal musical.
Nope, I think that would be amazing!
I would pay good money to see metal Black Cauldron. They should have Candlemass do the music!
I would watch the shit out of that 😁
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@@axelblack2073 hell yeah man Candlemass is amazing and I think that kind of epic doom metal would fit the film well.
I was one of the few kids that actually liked The Black Cauldron, this ride would’ve been amazing for me
Same here. One heck of a very underrated yet unique movie. By Disney standards of course.
same it was such a good movie spite the plot being a little wack
Same here
I saw the ads, it was curious why each character had an "ouch" moment... Why put that Ina trailers?
this was my favourite movie growing up. i would rent it from blockbuster every week, my parents eventually asked if they could buy the copy cause i would keep taking it out haha
Man, this ride looked friggin awesome. Shame it doesn’t exist anymore.
Honestly an updated version of this would be so cool! a horror disney villian attraction is such a cool concept!!
I totally agree!! I would love to get scared by lots of fav Disney villains! Horned King is one of them. ^.^
They should make a villain park with attractions like this.
Also wish there was a survival horror game featuring these villains. We could make our own characters and get help from the heroes or beat the villains on our own.
@@jennikifm2 Maybe something like Dark Decption but with the villains as our "monsters". Heck, maybe also include a bit of both tv animation villains, junior villains and even the kingdom hearts villains too.
@@arturoayala1004 That would be sweet! Or something like Outlast, imo, or a mixture of both games. ^^
I REALLY want Disney to do something like this again. Particularly with the whole villian theme. Perhaps not quite this dark but I don't think you can appreciate the magic as much without some horror to balance it. As a small child, I was terrified by the Monstro animatronic in Pinnochio's Daring Journey but I went on that ride every time I went to Disney because the scares make the happy endings that much more enjoyable. This constant fluff we're starting to see all the time is a little disappointing.
I agree, Disney needs to embrace the popularity of their villains more than they currently do. A series of "what-if" fanfiction novels isn't enough.
I agree. The dark stuff is just as artistic and creative. I wish I could have experienced this ride because it seems so immersive.
well hkdl does haunted houses, so maybe this one will make its way there someday
@@warriorseamonkey1693 Yeah! I watched a video FastPass Facts did about those and was super surprised. I think the only way that would work in the states is to have it be a special ticketed event. Like Mickey's Halloween Party. That way parents would be less likely to get confused and traumatize their children. I would totally pay to have a disney version of a halloween horror nights type experience with disney villains.
Went to a Dutch fairytale themepark... it had people encounter death and tragedy about as much as magic and wonder. Because people die just as often as they live happily ever after in fairytales.
5:09 "that casual racism was scarier than any jumpscare i could come up with" agreed
Gg
Jfc what is wrong with you people. Saying slurs isn't funny.
Cringe clowns have arrived to say racial slurs 🙄
it took 6 months but we fucking did it, reddit
I actually thought it was rather funny. It feels more like "all in good fun" banter than anything truly malicious. It's also a product of the 80s when Americans were paranoid that Japan had replaced them as the world's superpower (As seen in Back to the Future). It's also hard to condemn when everything said about Japan was true, and if those mild comments are "casual racism" then it's by far some of the most innocuous.
Could you imagine Disney not having an animation studios? COULD YOU?! I never knew they considered eliminating it, and it's a good thing they didn't considering how Disney live actions stayed sub-par at best over the years.
"Eating it all up like rice" goddamn im glad i wasnt born in this time period.
The fact that half this comment section tho is claiming it’s just a joke and the truth so it can’t be racist rly makes me question humanity and if we actually improved
@@laradanan3411 The Japanese eat Rice, they love Rice. There's nothing wrong with the statement, you're just weirdly oversensitive.
You are very sensitive aren't you?
@@Octavian2 You are very lonely aren't you?
@@dooshdoosh4312 You are very sensitive to peer pressure. Aren't you?
"Programmed not to mention ww2" my god I cant
Our Friend the Atom goes to Nagasaki.
I cannot
Honestly that ride sounded like a lot of fun.
I want to go to this so badly! I can imagine how horrifying it'd be as a child, but now that I'm older I love this kind of stuff.
It’s closed
@@laureniancu1296 Well yeah that's kind of the point of this channel.
@@astridmyst I just thought u didn’t know because u said u wanted to go sorry
@@laureniancu1296 Haha it's okay. I do want to go. If it existed still. I'm sad it doesn't xP
It would be cool to have both options. So kids who are scared could skip the dungeons and go straight to the new stuff. And other guests could "brave the dungeons" and then come upstairs to the tame stuff before you exit
Jeffrey Katzenburg: "The Black Cauldron is too intense and evil for kids!"
Also Jeffrey Katzenburg: "For Toy Story, let's make Woody the worst!"
to be fair, one is Katzenburg before all the Disney drama and the other is Katzenburg in full salt the earth mode.
Um what?
@@SouthernBelleReviews Which part are you confused on, the conflicting ideas Katzenberg have or the shift of perspective Katzenberg had?
@@SouthernBelleReviews Woody was a murderous asshole with no redeeming qualities and was completely unlikeable in the original concept for Toy Story. Obviously this would have destroyed any wholesome aspects of the film so his character was completely changed.
This seems like one of the coolest attractions Disney has ever done, and I am sad that I missed getting to see it by just a few short years. I wish it was still active when I went to Tokyo Disney.
And here's how we bombed Hiroshima kids! soo cool huh?!
@@Hannah_The_Heretic what
I had no recollection of this until you got into the description and I started actively remembering what you were describing. I legit blocked this out. I thought we were going to the castle to see Cinderella and since it wasn't a "ride", I remember very clearly now thinking that it was actually happening, and extremely clearly thinking that we were about to get taken out. That was probably the most terrified I'd ever been in my life, and until today I wasn't aware it had ever happened. At least now I have an idea about why I'm terrified of so many things that are impractical for an adult to be afraid of. Thanks alot Disney Imagineers.