Aren't spec races supposed to all have the same cars with no upgrades? Upgrades should be left for the PI class races where it's up to the player to pick their most competetive car for the class. Edit: so this was apparently the spotlight event for the early access? In that case you'd have an entire week to tune the cars if you wish, or play the spec races with no upgrades allowed as I expected. Personally, I think that's a good mix but idk
Yes however I haven’t found upgrades to be that beneficial in spec races. I race pretty much just touring and GT with stock cars. I can stay very competitive. Just have to tune them
@@UnrelatedNonsense you can always tune AND upgrade. This is definitely a problem. If you manage to keep up with faster cars, good on you, but you should be winning or racing against harder opponents if that's the case
The sptlight car series is under open. Currently no restrictions, so theoretically you can upgrade all the way to max. When I saw that, I haven't bothered with it. Then again after seeing the regular open hoppers, I've avoided those too and just stuck to spec series racing. At least the regular hopper has a class restriction you know to build the car to.
@@Kaylos29I thought the spotlight car was the same across rivals, career, and multiplayer? But I didn't think it was the dodge so are you sure that's what this race was? If it is a spotlight car series, then this isn't a problem imo. I guess the intention is for you to use the car throughout the week in the career events designed for it, and rivals, and then show off the build you've got in multiplayer when you're done. If that doesn't interest you then that's why the other events exist. It'd be a problem if you had random events with random cars you had no time to upgrade so you had to be lucky and already own it, but this isn't that.
Here's hoping we start seeing skirmishes between the haves and have nots. Roaming convoys of lvl 1 proles working together to take out anything with a spoiler and turbocharged bourgeoisie on turn one.
relax, those were open series.. where people can upgrade cards to match the class score.. .which makes some cars better and some worse.. because of HP and weight ratio..
Yes, my mistake. The spec series have been mostly even, although there's definitely still better cars than others. This showcase series is definitely different though and highlights the issues with the upgrade system
@@Super_GTyeah with a tune, as in psi, camber ect. There’s a clear difference of spec racer who are tuned vs not. Night and day actually. Forza tune app is wonderful btw. Super easy to use. I use a lot of setups from FM7 for track tunes and fix anything I don’t like with sliders (over/under steer) ect. Just make sure race tires are 32-34psi warm. You do want to use FM2023 tire models vs FM7
Spec races should only be tunes and not upgrades to avoid this issue. The GTX series was this way and it was great! I think the idea behind this upgrade system was that a year from now a lot of the cars are leveled up etc. It still makes it too hard for new players to get into the game to be honest. I think they should give you tokens or something for career and multiplayer race rewards based on your placement that you can use for car levels. This small change would make a big difference and let you set up a car you want to use while you do other stuff
Yup imagine someone giving the game a try in a year or two after seeing so many great reviews of the launch, just to join multiple lobbies in a row (if said person makes it past the insufferable intro) where 20 people had plenty of time to level up most of their cars to a degree where it doesn't feel like they belong in the same class. That just ain't happening 💀 It's time for Turn10 to get their shit together, their games arguably have been downgrades after downgrades since 2016...
Partly why I'm focusing on the SP career and featured cups before I go near multiplayer. At least that way I'll have a fair number of cars at a reasonable level to take into the multiplayer side of things. And for cars that pop up quite often that the builders cup doesn't use, I take them into rivals and level them up that way as you get tonnes of car XP and money doing rivals.
Don't buy it, play it on gamepass, or wait a year or 2 and get it for 10 It's not worth a penny more currently, the game is a mess, Steve hasn't pointed out most of it Jimmy made a video that will give you a better idea what you would be getting yourself into, and it's a mess m8 Even on xbox as people like to cry, it's a mess despite what they say
saw one video yesterday with a guy in a A class lobby, there were P class cars in there as well. the game just looks broken, and all these rules with upgrades, im staying away from this hot mess.
Everyone crying about it but Im having lots of fun. Different preferences I guess. Would def recommend playing on game pass first to make sure you like it before buying full game
The game is nice but empty AF. You've basically got multiplayer, rivals where you can try to beat other player's ghosts and multiplayer Vs bots. I'm still playing it a lot but the game obviously lacks a lot of content that will be added later. For example the drift and drag setups that are actually useless.
Half of the fun I had on Forza Horizon 5 was building cars to meet to requisites of each race, find the right car and tune it on the way I like to drive it, this Car Leveling is a very weird design. If they wanna make the game work, they have to change that. Car Points I find nice tho, the fact I'm not spending, but just allocating, weird they force you to grind in one side but not on the other..
The upgrade system has been changed in the update that rolled out today. Car parts unlock at a much lower level now. Really enjoy the Forza Motorsport content btw 🤓👍
Is that it? What about all the issues? They added the interior back to the 2019 M5 with a wide bodykit yet?boudoir Floating inside the car with nothing but floating hands is embarrassing for them and insulting to us
Have you got an update layout? As in what they have changed. I've noticed 40series nvidia cards were having issues? Did they fix any of that graphical stuff? And what are the fps per setting coming out at?
"Built from the ground up" said the game with bugs that have been around since Forza Motorsport 4. The multiplayer format is great and FRR is better than ever, but the game is so unpolished it harms the experience 😢. I've been loving it though
The biggest problem is that users can't create races or race series. You have to play whatever selection T10 gives you that week, with 25 or 30 mins between races (but actually hours if you're waiting for a specific event). Many of the races force default cars, so if you've upgraded and tuned the car it's returned to default. There's entry rules for each car, with some cars allowed more PI, some with ballast added - if you want to tune offline you have to know the rules of every online race for the cars, which is impossible. If you buy and tune a specific car it may well never be usable online. The Safety Ratings/penalties are useless too - everyone is shunting with impunity. It's shunt or be shunted - if you race fair you'll be abused - and there's no 'no collisions'/ghost events. Avoid online, and the career mode (boring, few car choices, no using 1 car with different builds) and Rivals (exit Rivals to tune!) is all that's left. Some of the achi's are total grinds, and few will get £10k from tune/design sales achi', especially as the game will be dead soon, and fully dead once it's removed from GP.
I knew the Achilles heel of this game would be the car leveling system the second I saw it. No idea how they didn't see it would be a bad idea. All they needed to do was poll community members about the system and they'd have their answer whether to implement it or not...
This leveling system was not implemented to improve gameplay. It is here just to force you spend more time in game so gamepass will make MS more money. They dont even care if its you playing or if the game drives itself, its just time you need to pay for gamepass.
My issue is how much the safety rating goes up and down. Mine dropped from s to b from one race, granted I was annoyed and maybe smashed a not very nice guy off, but getting it back is insane. Every time I've gained a level, I get smashed into and I get the penalty and dropped a level again.
@@dannnnn496 I do, I had eventually gotten to A, I was going round the outside as two cars were on the inside, someone decided to go straight and take me with them, I got a 4.5 second penalty and dropped to b again, the system needs tweaked.
@dannnnn496 I had a guy spin out in front of me, completely unavoidable and i t boned him. I got a 2 second penalty for it and my safety rating dropped from s to b. The system is broken.
This isnt a spec hopper. There are spec hoppers (GT, Touring, and spotlight) where builds are preset and only tuning is allowed, and open hoppers (PI class and spotlight) where upgrades are allowed. This was the spotlight open hopper during week one.
Please explain difference between tuning and upgrading. (I think i know just by the naming but Jic) I thought in Spec multiplayer (GT, Touring) you couldnt change the cars at all apart from livery.
@@markmacken1upgrading would be adding/changing parts to increase power etc whereas tuning is adjusting tyre pressures and suspension stiffness among other things
@@Randomii666for spec lobbies the parts on the car are decided by the game, you can't put something else on the car. So if a restrictor is part of the balancing of the division, it will be on the car
Main issue, Players have no idea of motorsport rule. They get angry when overtaken and ram you just because the game allows it, there is no server with assist off so you have player doing stupid line and weird braking with almost o impact on the outcome.
Man yes this is my issue too,as someone that used mostly speed builds, this has been pissing me off so much, it's so dirty because the straights are the only advantage you have with a speed build and people know that so they door bang you off the track
My first ever multiplayer race in this earlier... Did the whole practice qualify blah blah blah.. The race starts and my arms teleport into the sky and i get a birds eye view of everyone else INCLUDING my car drive off around the first corner. All the cars came back but mine never drove past ever again.
My favourite part of Forza is that it pushed me to finally give simracing a go. RFactor 2 is getting new, easy to pick up online mode with safety and driver rating and i’ve been having brilliant fun. I really wanted to love Forza, but for me, I was getting 60 fps with raytracing on and DLSS on balanced in single player, but online was low res, low detail with horrible framerates. The new nvidia drivers solved framerate issues, but the game still run in low settings. This game wasn’t ready for prime time.
the AI driving assists thing really annoys me. the other day i was starting a multiplayer race and some player's car rammed me into a wall the very first second of the race and completely ruined my chances of being competitive for the rest of the race. im okay with it in freeplay but in multiplayer it just rams into other players like they dont exist (just like the AI in single player do).
I find that the car level system is fun, but only in career mode. Going through a cup with a level 1 car actually has you understanding how the car behaves and you get to make interesting decisions as to what to upgrade with a limited amount of money. But outside of career mode, yeah, it is more of a nuisance than a fun mechanic and having things locked up to level 50 is painful when career only gets you to 20-25.
so you are telling me that in a spec series there are different PI cars in the same lobby. That's like someone turning up to an F2 race with a F1 engine in the back in an F2 car.
The game has tremendous potential, but for me, the physics are a deal breaker. As it stands, the cars just don't behave the way real cars do. The information from the road through the tires feels vague, and the cars slide a little more than irl. Everything feels mushy and imprecise. It's just my opinion, so fan boys, please don't get offended.
The main issue I have is that they elected to not allow the ability to add AI cars in a private multiplayer game. That is how I always played FM4 and I had no idea they had removed it in 7 and now this iteration. Steam denied my refund as well once I discovered this.
@@giospage My friend didn’t buy it until a week after I did. I just screwed around with wheel settings, free play and career mode until he picked it up and then we created a private multiplayer game. I did not anticipate that it wouldn’t be available available so I didn’t go looking for it immediately when I purchased the game
This dumb upgrading system is the reason why i refuse to play class races. I don‘t want to drive my car to lvl 50 before i can upgrade it the way i want to…
Great video & Great Win. Regarding the Assists.. they need to make the Throttle Assist fail to work once there's been like 10 seconds on inactivity. It's ridiculous to have an ability in game to just put the controller down and go make a cup of covfefe :D
It would be kind of cool if they did the full sized races, but categorized each players car level so you are only really racing against the people in the same car level as you. I hope that made sense lol
That's what Spec series is for. Open series is designed for the player to tune and bring in any car they modify themselves up to that class level. Spec series is designed for players to guarantee a more even playing field.
The second race ending with the game crashing is just the chef's kiss to match the experience I've had. Online not always being available or the game as a whole crashing to desktop/dashboard.
I kinda like that you start out with nothing. It adds this feeling of you don't NEED first place. Just outpace what you can. I enjoy tuning and the progression. We seriously need to be careful with how much criticism we give with the new features they gave us. Back 4 Blood started off with an amazing idea. A roguelite-FPS-Deckbuilder. After a bunch of players complained, the game turned into a FPS-Deckbuilder, completely losing the roguelite and progression aspect of a run, because players didn't like how their L4D replacement had mid run progression. They completely removed it and the game flat out died. Community feedback is great, but dangerous. I think if we complain too much about how "progression is bad" in this scenario, they may not read into it and they'll just remove it all together. No more progression in multiplayer. We're going in a great direction as of now, lets not try and tell them its bad. Maybe give some fixes rather than "People are higher level in their cars and they beat me. I don't like it." I think the best suggestion we can give is FIX MATCHMAKING. Prioritize keeping the same class with the same class. Make the rating more important and flexible. Make safety rating more strict and penalties "smarter." PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, push for fixing matchmaking, not removing or destroying what progression they gave us. Love ya Super GT, just scared of another Turtle Rock Studio deal.
This game is hot garbage and I'm glad I wound up avoiding it. My fears were confirmed and this appears to be yet another miserable installment in this addled, aging, repackaged game. Gran Turismo is my home for the foreseeable future.
I loved the first week viper spotlight, because of the aspects you critizised - the way it makes you start with a level 1 car and gradually level it up to a grid-dominator was very satisfying for me. Took me back to early racing games with the whole start out weak, work your way up mentality, in miniature form (it only took 5-10 races). And the next time S class opens roll around, you have a dodge viper to bring, that you've already made memories with!
The horizon driver's have joined us that's where the biggest issue developed. It was really good pre official release for the people that pre ordered. Also just a letdown of a car selection and old models from a decade ago plus. They need to take the game seriously or have a huuuugeeeee game patch worth 20+gb to fix things
I do not agree with this criticism, because in real race tuned cars would just smoke stocked ones, and the progression system, especially for newer players, would give them time to understand how a car works and which parts for which circumstance are necessary. The penalty system needs some work for sure. But tuning in races is fun. It just gives you that RPG feel, where when you spend enough time with your "character" in that case car. You can feel the progression and the upgrades you make on it. Certainly something I like in this game more than any other racer!
have barely run into this issue as the touring Cars and GT class are pretty much specced from the box or use 0cp mods for the most part (the Lynk touring car an exception) and I have been prioritising those hoppers, less of a gulf in class and safer for it.
Ya I agree it’s different. But I like the way you have to use your car before you can upgrade it. after my first couple races I realized if you have a car for a race it’s best to do a few freeplay (or whatever they call it) races by myself to level up the car before going into a race with other people
I think the idea of the car level system is great in career mode. I also think separating upgrade currency from car purchase currency (car points) is a great idea. But given this game/s multiplayer identifies you by your safety and skill ratings, it's ridiculous that you have to grind a car just to make it competitive in a performance class. In MP every car you own should have every upgrade available to it so it just boils down to building, tuning, and skill, not grinding for unlocks. Ugh.
My biggest issue is having a full time job makes this game that much harder to play. I think the devs haven’t taken people with jobs into account as we only get a few times a week to play at most, which means people will slowly stop playing the game as they can’t keep up
We have another problem. Offline / single player races does not have an option for accelerated tire wear and fuel usage like online races has. I went to race -> free play -> advanced event setup. Chose a gt3 car (race tires). I then selected circuit race with "event format" set to LONG. This gave me 15 laps around Lime Rock. Which is not long. However and i quote the information on LONG events: "A race with extreme distances and multiple pis tops. Fuel & tire strategy is essential". I did the full 15 laps just to test with SOFT (!!) race tires. The result after a full race where strategy would make all the difference. Well, soft tires tire wear was 17,4%. Meaning i could have done between 80-100 laps on soft tires.. In other words single player is pointless at this time. Not to mention that my pc with a 5900x cpu, 3080gpu and 32gb ram ran the game between 30-40fps in 4k om medium to low settings. The gpu and cpu doesn't even get hot.. The same pc runs horizon 5 between 100-144 fps on 4k ultra. And that game actually looks good and doesn't have pop-in issues and doesn't fail to load textures.
I was hoping you'd found time for the GT7 Nordschleife race, it was a real banger. I know Forza is new and I'm not saying it's a terrible game, there are definitely a few interesting ideas going for it, but some of the decisions (like having tuning in "spec" series) are incredibly confusing to say the least.
Most people can't drive. Forcing them to level stock cars makes it worst. Then you have the unbalance nature of people who already leveled the car being leagues above others.
@@FraZzJ. And then at higher levels it all balances out so terrible drivers are competing at the highest levels which is going to make for terrible gameplay.
The car levels and car part unlocks is fun and all for career but its absolutely abysmal for everything else that isnt racing in stock cars. Building up cars and racing them is the core game and forcing me to waste time leveling it enough just flat out sucks. There is nothing fun about it outside of career mode
FM8 looks bad on consoles especially on my Series S and mid range gaming PCs. Sometimes it looks like a game from the Xbox 360 era, but that's just one of many issues
This is one thing but in the normal spec series you're also able to tune the car setup wise. This is a REALLY big advantage for people that know their way around setting up a car in Forza fashion. 99% of people don't know how to do this or where to find proper tunes from reliable people so their at a big disadvantage. Although I know where to get some good tunes/ tune them myself I would like this to be turned off also so it really is an even playing field.
That's why I prefer spec races. However I'm surprised you face so many technical issues on Xbox. For me it only crashed once during a replay, a few times I lost connection during upgrades - but no visual glitches at all in 80 hours & nothing that affected an ongoing race.
I have an s safety rating and 4000 skill rating and have qualified in 3-7th range and still have not had a race where I have ran every lap without getting sent to the shadow realm
I've watched for a long time and also a long time motorsport fan, I personally enjoy the car leveling system as it forces you into actually spending time and building a relationship with your car as any true car enthusiast would agree is a good thing, it keeps the children from throwing some V12 into every car and AWD swapping and essentially ruining the actually racing and making it a forza horizon free-for-all so for me it's perfect, only complaint from my end is they need to rework the collision/off-track penalties as it feels you can bump or cut the track and gain a few seconds without penalty
my very first experience of multiplayer this time round was getting a 4 second penalty for the car I was following slamming on their brakes in the middle of a straight for no apparent reason and hitting them into a spin as a result as I tried to dodge out the way. Thanks game, very nice
The way leveling each car works should have never applied to MP. It's a disaster and the #1 reason I'll never consider this game. It didn't even enter the ring with GT Sport lol.
The thing you pointed as being a disadvantage of the game I consider a big plus. If you're new to the car you should learn it, while staying behind people, who are racing. It doesn't take that long to level a car. The exploit should be patched.
that is the exact point of it glad im not the only one sitting here like is this for real or satire? No one forced him to play online with a level 1 whip. he did that to himself lol
@@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526 I was completely fine with leveling my car by racing. Of course, I was 10th at best at first but than slowly worked my way up. I really enjoy this system but I'm afraid that T10 might change it due to all complaints.
They just released an update that lowers the car level needed to unlock upgrades with lvl 15 being the highest for regular upgrades and around 20-25 for things like drivetrain and engine swaps
I've got wrecked 2 times in one race today. The game though thought it was my fault both times and gave me a 6.45 penalty in total. Both crashes weren't my fault. Both times the other guy braked way to late and landed in my car. I went down from a S to a B safety ranking. I'm pissed. (I'm currently back to an A rating)
I finally got around to doing the qualifiers. I wish I had a screen capture of the race. Qualified 7th (I qualified on mediums and with a half tank of fuel) at Laguna Seca, green flag drops, and I get spun and punted off to somewhere in New Mexico. Now 21st, I try to claw back a few positions, and it was working, right up until the beginning of lap 3. I pass a car on the start/ finish straight that was having "difficulties", and upon entering turn one, he decided to make his problems my problems. I slow slightly to make the left hander, and get broadsided into the dirt, the barrier, and then the air- upside down. As I'm fuming about the incident, I hear "total penalty about two seconds". Ended up dead last (23rd), and was only able to get back to 7th, but finished 9th overall due to the penalty.
That's the curse of Game Pass...As the game is 'free' there are so many kids playing who have never driven a car and probably never will... Forza is a caRPG for kids. Look elsewhere for serious sim-racing! Krhm...Gran Turismo...krhm!
I'm not a virtual driver just yet, but I do race a lot in karting. Gonna buy an Xbox next month and install Forza with ACC, hope it will be fun + it's interesting to watch, so I guess I should post it too 🤔🙂
Tying progression to cars just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, progression should be in the game and I think it is good for games like this. But just make it a really broad account wide progression with just a simple generic currency and level. You wanna race in a super high tier series? Better be level XX with plenty of credits to spare. Wanna do some lower league stuff to get started? Invest some credits at beginner level and have a competetive car straight away for that series.
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This is for all the hoppers don’t you think? People have more time on their hands then others. Everyone will either rent a car or have it maxed, majority being in between. I say they should just increase time it takes to level the car.
I really like this upgrade system for career mode but for multiplayer and all other game modes i really don’t like it, the most fun I’ve had in multiplayer is in the beginner multiplayer races in those Honda Touring Cars
Update 1.0 has just dropped and attempts to 'correct' the issues outlined in this video. Let's see if that works out...
hoping it does, shoulda been implemented from the start
yeah, and contrast issue came with it, at least for me.. whole game has increased contrast or gamma..
damn turn 10 saw your video and immediately went to work
0 day patch was a week late SMH
I already crashed, so not this time I guess
My biggest issue is that safety and skill ratings seem to mean absolutely nothing when it comes to matchmaking
Yeah, this is also very true. Pretty much everyone has a rating above 4,100
damn don't tell me that lol, here i thought thinking i was good at a racing game sitting at S and 4650
@@Super_GT
@@Super_GT delete the game and install it again, this should solve your problems.
They’ve just put out the new update notes saying this has been addressed so hopefully will be sorted!
@@coffee7180 nice joke m8 ahahahaha
but it didnt need the middle part just "delete the game, this should solve your problems."
ahahahaha
Aren't spec races supposed to all have the same cars with no upgrades? Upgrades should be left for the PI class races where it's up to the player to pick their most competetive car for the class.
Edit: so this was apparently the spotlight event for the early access? In that case you'd have an entire week to tune the cars if you wish, or play the spec races with no upgrades allowed as I expected. Personally, I think that's a good mix but idk
Yes however I haven’t found upgrades to be that beneficial in spec races. I race pretty much just touring and GT with stock cars. I can stay very competitive. Just have to tune them
@@UnrelatedNonsense you can always tune AND upgrade. This is definitely a problem.
If you manage to keep up with faster cars, good on you, but you should be winning or racing against harder opponents if that's the case
The sptlight car series is under open. Currently no restrictions, so theoretically you can upgrade all the way to max. When I saw that, I haven't bothered with it. Then again after seeing the regular open hoppers, I've avoided those too and just stuck to spec series racing. At least the regular hopper has a class restriction you know to build the car to.
hes not in a spec race tho
@@Kaylos29I thought the spotlight car was the same across rivals, career, and multiplayer? But I didn't think it was the dodge so are you sure that's what this race was?
If it is a spotlight car series, then this isn't a problem imo. I guess the intention is for you to use the car throughout the week in the career events designed for it, and rivals, and then show off the build you've got in multiplayer when you're done. If that doesn't interest you then that's why the other events exist.
It'd be a problem if you had random events with random cars you had no time to upgrade so you had to be lucky and already own it, but this isn't that.
Here's hoping we start seeing skirmishes between the haves and have nots. Roaming convoys of lvl 1 proles working together to take out anything with a spoiler and turbocharged bourgeoisie on turn one.
Lmao
Seize the means of compression!
Ram the rich
Don’t forget the usual V8 swap and AWD builds
Shameless ramming in our future
Clearly the tuning differences are an issue nobody could possibly ever have anticipated.
With each new Forza title the devs challenge themselves to find cheeky new ways to make us say wtf
relax, those were open series.. where people can upgrade cards to match the class score.. .which makes some cars better and some worse.. because of HP and weight ratio..
I like fighting not to be last then fighting up to the podium and upgrading between races
@@TheFormActuallystill happens on spec racers with tunes
The car upgrade system is just not well thought out. I really don't understand why they changed.
They did it better a decade ago with FM2 and 3, car levels gave you discounts on parts, and bonuses
It's still infinitely more preferable to having to run a fucking script to farm points on Blue Moon Bay on GT7.
@@ValiantInstance or just dont do either as they both suck
easy pleasy my G haha
This was the open series I believe, the spec series gives a selection of cars that are all evenly upgraded and can’t upgrade them and are all equal 👍
Yes, my mistake. The spec series have been mostly even, although there's definitely still better cars than others.
This showcase series is definitely different though and highlights the issues with the upgrade system
@@Super_GTyeah with a tune, as in psi, camber ect. There’s a clear difference of spec racer who are tuned vs not. Night and day actually.
Forza tune app is wonderful btw. Super easy to use. I use a lot of setups from FM7 for track tunes and fix anything I don’t like with sliders (over/under steer) ect.
Just make sure race tires are 32-34psi warm. You do want to use FM2023 tire models vs FM7
@@Super_GTwell you should prolly pin it
@@Super_GTthe paid ones are leagues better than the ones you buy with the game credits
Spec races should only be tunes and not upgrades to avoid this issue. The GTX series was this way and it was great! I think the idea behind this upgrade system was that a year from now a lot of the cars are leveled up etc. It still makes it too hard for new players to get into the game to be honest. I think they should give you tokens or something for career and multiplayer race rewards based on your placement that you can use for car levels. This small change would make a big difference and let you set up a car you want to use while you do other stuff
Yup imagine someone giving the game a try in a year or two after seeing so many great reviews of the launch, just to join multiple lobbies in a row (if said person makes it past the insufferable intro) where 20 people had plenty of time to level up most of their cars to a degree where it doesn't feel like they belong in the same class. That just ain't happening 💀
It's time for Turn10 to get their shit together, their games arguably have been downgrades after downgrades since 2016...
They are this wasn’t a spec race he made a mistake this was an open race.
In a few months new players will be discouraged and not have much fun if at all. System definitely needs changing
you literally just described what the spec multiplayer is, he is playing the open series multiplayer.
Skill issue
Would love to see SuperGT take on the EA WRC game. Not even multiplayer but a couple sessions of flat out rally
Great game
Seems like he wouldn’t do good with the way he drives.
Nocap
A real nice surprise WRC is. Very good, minus some not so great visual bugs at launch.
I still don't understand what they did in those 7 years
Team Forza: That's a good point... anyway look at the graphics!
My biggest issue is that the shadow realm has the ability to take on a physical form in this game. Absolutely horrifying.
Microsoft quality is Microsoft quality...
Partly why I'm focusing on the SP career and featured cups before I go near multiplayer. At least that way I'll have a fair number of cars at a reasonable level to take into the multiplayer side of things. And for cars that pop up quite often that the builders cup doesn't use, I take them into rivals and level them up that way as you get tonnes of car XP and money doing rivals.
I agree you should be able to upgrade separately in multi player. However there are plenty of spec races.
Fitting ending. Half cooked games are Turn 10s specialty at this point
I like the way you explain and elaborate on the issues. Makes me understand exactly what I am getting into if i buy the game
Don't buy it, play it on gamepass, or wait a year or 2 and get it for 10
It's not worth a penny more currently, the game is a mess, Steve hasn't pointed out most of it
Jimmy made a video that will give you a better idea what you would be getting yourself into, and it's a mess m8
Even on xbox as people like to cry, it's a mess despite what they say
saw one video yesterday with a guy in a A class lobby, there were P class cars in there as well. the game just looks broken, and all these rules with upgrades, im staying away from this hot mess.
Everyone crying about it but Im having lots of fun. Different preferences I guess. Would def recommend playing on game pass first to make sure you like it before buying full game
The game is nice but empty AF. You've basically got multiplayer, rivals where you can try to beat other player's ghosts and multiplayer Vs bots.
I'm still playing it a lot but the game obviously lacks a lot of content that will be added later. For example the drift and drag setups that are actually useless.
Half of the fun I had on Forza Horizon 5 was building cars to meet to requisites of each race, find the right car and tune it on the way I like to drive it, this Car Leveling is a very weird design.
If they wanna make the game work, they have to change that. Car Points I find nice tho, the fact I'm not spending, but just allocating, weird they force you to grind in one side but not on the other..
What a nail biting end to the last race. So much suspense.
The upgrade system has been changed in the update that rolled out today. Car parts unlock at a much lower level now.
Really enjoy the Forza Motorsport content btw 🤓👍
Is that it?
What about all the issues?
They added the interior back to the 2019 M5 with a wide bodykit yet?boudoir
Floating inside the car with nothing but floating hands is embarrassing for them and insulting to us
Have you got an update layout? As in what they have changed.
I've noticed 40series nvidia cards were having issues? Did they fix any of that graphical stuff? And what are the fps per setting coming out at?
there was an update?
Update?? Runs to check 😅
Update rolled out an hour ago, they could feel the SuperGT criticism through time and space lol
"Built from the ground up" said the game with bugs that have been around since Forza Motorsport 4.
The multiplayer format is great and FRR is better than ever, but the game is so unpolished it harms the experience 😢. I've been loving it though
The biggest problem is that users can't create races or race series. You have to play whatever selection T10 gives you that week, with 25 or 30 mins between races (but actually hours if you're waiting for a specific event). Many of the races force default cars, so if you've upgraded and tuned the car it's returned to default. There's entry rules for each car, with some cars allowed more PI, some with ballast added - if you want to tune offline you have to know the rules of every online race for the cars, which is impossible. If you buy and tune a specific car it may well never be usable online. The Safety Ratings/penalties are useless too - everyone is shunting with impunity. It's shunt or be shunted - if you race fair you'll be abused - and there's no 'no collisions'/ghost events. Avoid online, and the career mode (boring, few car choices, no using 1 car with different builds) and Rivals (exit Rivals to tune!) is all that's left. Some of the achi's are total grinds, and few will get £10k from tune/design sales achi', especially as the game will be dead soon, and fully dead once it's removed from GP.
Somehow the developers got the wrong memo and designed a Pokémon game, only changing the theme to cars halfway through when they got the right one.
At least different Pokémon learn different moves
🔥🔥@@papa_pt
On PC sometimes the world will disappear from under you and you're just racing in space
Had that issue too with fm7, road amd walls disappeared and I had to rely on the minimap 😭
The upgrades turned your car into an apache helicopter, based on those shadows.
They really need to fix the general color, full clear daylight is too dark yet the track is too bright in other areas.
I knew the Achilles heel of this game would be the car leveling system the second I saw it. No idea how they didn't see it would be a bad idea. All they needed to do was poll community members about the system and they'd have their answer whether to implement it or not...
Horrible. But my bot is expert on le mans now 🤝🏼 just let him cook
But how else would they get players to spend endless hours grinding? By making a good game?
@marcelk3847 My bot has driven like 30 hours of Spa and they're still slow as hell lmao
This leveling system was not implemented to improve gameplay. It is here just to force you spend more time in game so gamepass will make MS more money. They dont even care if its you playing or if the game drives itself, its just time you need to pay for gamepass.
@@vvs6433it's so obvious that was the reason it was made that way. I'm shocked people didn't really make that connection in reviews.
My issue is how much the safety rating goes up and down. Mine dropped from s to b from one race, granted I was annoyed and maybe smashed a not very nice guy off, but getting it back is insane. Every time I've gained a level, I get smashed into and I get the penalty and dropped a level again.
It also goes down if you’re corner cutting. So you need to drive clean and stay on track
@@dannnnn496 I do, I had eventually gotten to A, I was going round the outside as two cars were on the inside, someone decided to go straight and take me with them, I got a 4.5 second penalty and dropped to b again, the system needs tweaked.
@dannnnn496 I had a guy spin out in front of me, completely unavoidable and i t boned him. I got a 2 second penalty for it and my safety rating dropped from s to b. The system is broken.
Me too man. If someone is trying to take me out I return the favor, and I’m always the one that gets penalized.
This isnt a spec hopper. There are spec hoppers (GT, Touring, and spotlight) where builds are preset and only tuning is allowed, and open hoppers (PI class and spotlight) where upgrades are allowed. This was the spotlight open hopper during week one.
Please explain difference between tuning and upgrading. (I think i know just by the naming but Jic) I thought in Spec multiplayer (GT, Touring) you couldnt change the cars at all apart from livery.
@@markmacken1upgrading would be adding/changing parts to increase power etc whereas tuning is adjusting tyre pressures and suspension stiffness among other things
Yet i'm able to run the Viper without restrictor (considered upgrade) in the GT hopper..?
@@Randomii666for spec lobbies the parts on the car are decided by the game, you can't put something else on the car. So if a restrictor is part of the balancing of the division, it will be on the car
Main issue, Players have no idea of motorsport rule. They get angry when overtaken and ram you just because the game allows it, there is no server with assist off so you have player doing stupid line and weird braking with almost o impact on the outcome.
There’s loads of main issues with this game. People who side swipe you down the straights but don’t get penalised is a big one.
Man yes this is my issue too,as someone that used mostly speed builds, this has been pissing me off so much, it's so dirty because the straights are the only advantage you have with a speed build and people know that so they door bang you off the track
My first ever multiplayer race in this earlier... Did the whole practice qualify blah blah blah.. The race starts and my arms teleport into the sky and i get a birds eye view of everyone else INCLUDING my car drive off around the first corner. All the cars came back but mine never drove past ever again.
My favourite part of Forza is that it pushed me to finally give simracing a go. RFactor 2 is getting new, easy to pick up online mode with safety and driver rating and i’ve been having brilliant fun. I really wanted to love Forza, but for me, I was getting 60 fps with raytracing on and DLSS on balanced in single player, but online was low res, low detail with horrible framerates. The new nvidia drivers solved framerate issues, but the game still run in low settings. This game wasn’t ready for prime time.
the AI driving assists thing really annoys me. the other day i was starting a multiplayer race and some player's car rammed me into a wall the very first second of the race and completely ruined my chances of being competitive for the rest of the race. im okay with it in freeplay but in multiplayer it just rams into other players like they dont exist (just like the AI in single player do).
I find that the car level system is fun, but only in career mode. Going through a cup with a level 1 car actually has you understanding how the car behaves and you get to make interesting decisions as to what to upgrade with a limited amount of money. But outside of career mode, yeah, it is more of a nuisance than a fun mechanic and having things locked up to level 50 is painful when career only gets you to 20-25.
so you are telling me that in a spec series there are different PI cars in the same lobby. That's like someone turning up to an F2 race with a F1 engine in the back in an F2 car.
also steve needs to get some sleep, why is he playing at 1am in the morning.
what he is telling you is that he chose the wrong lobby, there are indeed specs series with actual specs car and no upgrades allowed.
@@Nobody-su9km oh ok
Can we appreciate SuperGT's commitment? I wouldve rage quit a good couple of times 😭
Fr man. Me too
The game has tremendous potential, but for me, the physics are a deal breaker. As it stands, the cars just don't behave the way real cars do. The information from the road through the tires feels vague, and the cars slide a little more than irl. Everything feels mushy and imprecise. It's just my opinion, so fan boys, please don't get offended.
The main issue I have is that they elected to not allow the ability to add AI cars in a private multiplayer game. That is how I always played FM4 and I had no idea they had removed it in 7 and now this iteration. Steam denied my refund as well once I discovered this.
it took you two hours to discover that brother?
@@giospage
My friend didn’t buy it until a week after I did. I just screwed around with wheel settings, free play and career mode until he picked it up and then we created a private multiplayer game.
I did not anticipate that it wouldn’t be available available so I didn’t go looking for it immediately when I purchased the game
This dumb upgrading system is the reason why i refuse to play class races. I don‘t want to drive my car to lvl 50 before i can upgrade it the way i want to…
Steve hope you’ve been well! ❤ We’re all force to do that afk race just to level up lol it’s a shame but it’s all about “player engagement” 😂
Great video & Great Win. Regarding the Assists.. they need to make the Throttle Assist fail to work once there's been like 10 seconds on inactivity. It's ridiculous to have an ability in game to just put the controller down and go make a cup of covfefe :D
It would be kind of cool if they did the full sized races, but categorized each players car level so you are only really racing against the people in the same car level as you. I hope that made sense lol
That's what Spec series is for. Open series is designed for the player to tune and bring in any car they modify themselves up to that class level.
Spec series is designed for players to guarantee a more even playing field.
The second race ending with the game crashing is just the chef's kiss to match the experience I've had. Online not always being available or the game as a whole crashing to desktop/dashboard.
Viper on Viper violence? DESPICABLE
In Forza Motorsport, the Shadow Realm comes to you.
What were they thinking with this game?
They were so busy trying to one up Gran Turismo they forgot to make the game good
*problems of new forza motorsport online experience*
„There’s famine, there’s war”
I kinda like that you start out with nothing. It adds this feeling of you don't NEED first place. Just outpace what you can. I enjoy tuning and the progression. We seriously need to be careful with how much criticism we give with the new features they gave us.
Back 4 Blood started off with an amazing idea. A roguelite-FPS-Deckbuilder. After a bunch of players complained, the game turned into a FPS-Deckbuilder, completely losing the roguelite and progression aspect of a run, because players didn't like how their L4D replacement had mid run progression. They completely removed it and the game flat out died.
Community feedback is great, but dangerous. I think if we complain too much about how "progression is bad" in this scenario, they may not read into it and they'll just remove it all together. No more progression in multiplayer. We're going in a great direction as of now, lets not try and tell them its bad. Maybe give some fixes rather than "People are higher level in their cars and they beat me. I don't like it."
I think the best suggestion we can give is FIX MATCHMAKING. Prioritize keeping the same class with the same class. Make the rating more important and flexible. Make safety rating more strict and penalties "smarter."
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, push for fixing matchmaking, not removing or destroying what progression they gave us.
Love ya Super GT, just scared of another Turtle Rock Studio deal.
Would be fairer if self drive wasn't an option and we went back to fully credits based upgrade system.
This game is hot garbage and I'm glad I wound up avoiding it. My fears were confirmed and this appears to be yet another miserable installment in this addled, aging, repackaged game. Gran Turismo is my home for the foreseeable future.
Had the same problem with the Viper and i thought im completely shit 😂 but good to hear that
I loved the first week viper spotlight, because of the aspects you critizised - the way it makes you start with a level 1 car and gradually level it up to a grid-dominator was very satisfying for me. Took me back to early racing games with the whole start out weak, work your way up mentality, in miniature form (it only took 5-10 races). And the next time S class opens roll around, you have a dodge viper to bring, that you've already made memories with!
I do love how easy the cars flip when you get a little sideways around a corner 😂
I went absolutely flying a couple days ago.
The horizon driver's have joined us that's where the biggest issue developed.
It was really good pre official release for the people that pre ordered.
Also just a letdown of a car selection and old models from a decade ago plus.
They need to take the game seriously or have a huuuugeeeee game patch worth 20+gb to fix things
5:00 - It's nice to see the reflections on the back window working as intended
I do not agree with this criticism, because in real race tuned cars would just smoke stocked ones, and the progression system, especially for newer players, would give them time to understand how a car works and which parts for which circumstance are necessary.
The penalty system needs some work for sure. But tuning in races is fun. It just gives you that RPG feel, where when you spend enough time with your "character" in that case car. You can feel the progression and the upgrades you make on it. Certainly something I like in this game more than any other racer!
have barely run into this issue as the touring Cars and GT class are pretty much specced from the box or use 0cp mods for the most part (the Lynk touring car an exception) and I have been prioritising those hoppers, less of a gulf in class and safer for it.
Maybe before you enter a hopper, you just test drive the car a little and level it up that way.
Yeah the multiplayer in forza doesn't seem to be serious or competitive at all.
I'm enjoying forza, especially multiplayer. I'd like to have seen a stats page though showing how many races and podiums you have.
Ya I agree it’s different. But I like the way you have to use your car before you can upgrade it. after my first couple races I realized if you have a car for a race it’s best to do a few freeplay (or whatever they call it) races by myself to level up the car before going into a race with other people
It's insane that this exists but multiplayer is locked to 60fps for "competitive integrity"
They somehow made the forza horizon upgrade system / car rank cheese more frustrating
I think the idea of the car level system is great in career mode. I also think separating upgrade currency from car purchase currency (car points) is a great idea. But given this game/s multiplayer identifies you by your safety and skill ratings, it's ridiculous that you have to grind a car just to make it competitive in a performance class. In MP every car you own should have every upgrade available to it so it just boils down to building, tuning, and skill, not grinding for unlocks. Ugh.
Yeah in career mode it’s not bad but any other scenario it’s just ridiculous
Tuning cars in any racing game is a big waste of time and this is the exact reason why.
My biggest issue is having a full time job makes this game that much harder to play. I think the devs haven’t taken people with jobs into account as we only get a few times a week to play at most, which means people will slowly stop playing the game as they can’t keep up
Damn, I will just be able to play from November .. :/
We have another problem. Offline / single player races does not have an option for accelerated tire wear and fuel usage like online races has.
I went to race -> free play -> advanced event setup. Chose a gt3 car (race tires). I then selected circuit race with "event format" set to LONG. This gave me 15 laps around Lime Rock. Which is not long. However and i quote the information on LONG events: "A race with extreme distances and multiple pis tops. Fuel & tire strategy is essential".
I did the full 15 laps just to test with SOFT (!!) race tires.
The result after a full race where strategy would make all the difference. Well, soft tires tire wear was 17,4%. Meaning i could have done between 80-100 laps on soft tires..
In other words single player is pointless at this time. Not to mention that my pc with a 5900x cpu, 3080gpu and 32gb ram ran the game between 30-40fps in 4k om medium to low settings. The gpu and cpu doesn't even get hot..
The same pc runs horizon 5 between 100-144 fps on 4k ultra. And that game actually looks good and doesn't have pop-in issues and doesn't fail to load textures.
I was hoping you'd found time for the GT7 Nordschleife race, it was a real banger. I know Forza is new and I'm not saying it's a terrible game, there are definitely a few interesting ideas going for it, but some of the decisions (like having tuning in "spec" series) are incredibly confusing to say the least.
Forza better GT7 is done…online Forza I gave up on gt7 online the PSN servers are freaking trash…Sony needs to address it.
Gt7 is far from done an update was just released last week that fixed the server issue and a big content update will proably arrive soon
Thanks for the big up, I didn't miss corner lol, markers said you were alongside so I gave room lol. 😁🐔
With respect I have no idea what the problem is. Each to their own but the sense of progression is great.
Because it's racing. Not an RPG...Removes so much of the skill and validates bad drivers by using "grinding" instead of skill acquisition.
He literally just turned assists on and let the game play itself for a while in this video, boom level 30. lol
Most people can't drive. Forcing them to level stock cars makes it worst.
Then you have the unbalance nature of people who already leveled the car being leagues above others.
It literally turned into Pokemon jsut with car parts instead of Attacks and evolutions
@@FraZzJ. And then at higher levels it all balances out so terrible drivers are competing at the highest levels which is going to make for terrible gameplay.
The car levels and car part unlocks is fun and all for career but its absolutely abysmal for everything else that isnt racing in stock cars. Building up cars and racing them is the core game and forcing me to waste time leveling it enough just flat out sucks. There is nothing fun about it outside of career mode
is it me or have we gone back in graphics?
FM8 looks bad on consoles especially on my Series S and mid range gaming PCs. Sometimes it looks like a game from the Xbox 360 era, but that's just one of many issues
Thank you so much for not deleting Forza 7! I want you to drive the Ford GT Forza Edition!!
yeah that crash is happening on PC as well... thanks for the car levelling tip. love your videos homie.
I liked the video cause it's you, yet I've had zero issues racing my race. Love you dude.
This is one thing but in the normal spec series you're also able to tune the car setup wise. This is a REALLY big advantage for people that know their way around setting up a car in Forza fashion. 99% of people don't know how to do this or where to find proper tunes from reliable people so their at a big disadvantage. Although I know where to get some good tunes/ tune them myself I would like this to be turned off also so it really is an even playing field.
They probably shouldve split the classes in 2 or quarters.
Be a much tighter performance gap between each other.
That's why I prefer spec races. However I'm surprised you face so many technical issues on Xbox. For me it only crashed once during a replay, a few times I lost connection during upgrades - but no visual glitches at all in 80 hours & nothing that affected an ongoing race.
Same here. It crashed once when trying to join a lobby. Some glitches here and there but nothing alarming. I've played something like 30 hours so far.
I have an s safety rating and 4000 skill rating and have qualified in 3-7th range and still have not had a race where I have ran every lap without getting sent to the shadow realm
I've watched for a long time and also a long time motorsport fan, I personally enjoy the car leveling system as it forces you into actually spending time and building a relationship with your car as any true car enthusiast would agree is a good thing, it keeps the children from throwing some V12 into every car and AWD swapping and essentially ruining the actually racing and making it a forza horizon free-for-all so for me it's perfect, only complaint from my end is they need to rework the collision/off-track penalties as it feels you can bump or cut the track and gain a few seconds without penalty
my very first experience of multiplayer this time round was getting a 4 second penalty for the car I was following slamming on their brakes in the middle of a straight for no apparent reason and hitting them into a spin as a result as I tried to dodge out the way. Thanks game, very nice
The way leveling each car works should have never applied to MP. It's a disaster and the #1 reason I'll never consider this game. It didn't even enter the ring with GT Sport lol.
Agree completely, have open tuning/upgrade for MP. Separate garage for MP cars with no PI costs.
The thing you pointed as being a disadvantage of the game I consider a big plus. If you're new to the car you should learn it, while staying behind people, who are racing. It doesn't take that long to level a car. The exploit should be patched.
that is the exact point of it glad im not the only one sitting here like is this for real or satire? No one forced him to play online with a level 1 whip. he did that to himself lol
@@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526 I was completely fine with leveling my car by racing. Of course, I was 10th at best at first but than slowly worked my way up. I really enjoy this system but I'm afraid that T10 might change it due to all complaints.
@@mindkiller76playing against AI or solo is boring for those who want to keep their win/podium stats high
They just released an update that lowers the car level needed to unlock upgrades with lvl 15 being the highest for regular upgrades and around 20-25 for things like drivetrain and engine swaps
FWIW your race with wako was really good, even with the bit of contact on the final turn.
You even tuned the shadow realm to your car I see, must be a level 1 shadow because it only flickers and doesn't cover the entire car.
😂
An another problem is that penalties aren't hard enough. Had multiple games where the one with most the penalties won. Got 6s won buy 14s.
True, this is also affects the safety and skill rating on players.
Super GT out here shinning a light on Global Issues. Well done, and yes that is a Big Fat Quiz Show reference.
i didnt even think about this the first couple times i raced, i was so confused why i couldnt catch up to peeps in those car cups.
I've got wrecked 2 times in one race today. The game though thought it was my fault both times and gave me a 6.45 penalty in total. Both crashes weren't my fault. Both times the other guy braked way to late and landed in my car. I went down from a S to a B safety ranking. I'm pissed. (I'm currently back to an A rating)
I finally got around to doing the qualifiers. I wish I had a screen capture of the race. Qualified 7th (I qualified on mediums and with a half tank of fuel) at Laguna Seca, green flag drops, and I get spun and punted off to somewhere in New Mexico.
Now 21st, I try to claw back a few positions, and it was working, right up until the beginning of lap 3. I pass a car on the start/ finish straight that was having "difficulties", and upon entering turn one, he decided to make his problems my problems.
I slow slightly to make the left hander, and get broadsided into the dirt, the barrier, and then the air- upside down. As I'm fuming about the incident, I hear "total penalty about two seconds".
Ended up dead last (23rd), and was only able to get back to 7th, but finished 9th overall due to the penalty.
That's the curse of Game Pass...As the game is 'free' there are so many kids playing who have never driven a car and probably never will...
Forza is a caRPG for kids. Look elsewhere for serious sim-racing! Krhm...Gran Turismo...krhm!
I do alot of rivals. Learning the tracks is very useful. It levels up the car as well.
I'm not a virtual driver just yet, but I do race a lot in karting. Gonna buy an Xbox next month and install Forza with ACC, hope it will be fun + it's interesting to watch, so I guess I should post it too 🤔🙂
Tying progression to cars just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, progression should be in the game and I think it is good for games like this. But just make it a really broad account wide progression with just a simple generic currency and level. You wanna race in a super high tier series? Better be level XX with plenty of credits to spare. Wanna do some lower league stuff to get started? Invest some credits at beginner level and have a competetive car straight away for that series.
GOOD! You drove the Viper! Its a really good car you can't lie!
It’s not the setup or points or anything that’s making your that fast. It’s obviously the racing stripes… 🤷♂️
This is like the "Builders Cup online Featured car hopper" Hints all the different Builds
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I like these series because of the dynamic. Just play a different hopper if you aren't keen of it.
This is for all the hoppers don’t you think? People have more time on their hands then others. Everyone will either rent a car or have it maxed, majority being in between. I say they should just increase time it takes to level the car.
I really like this upgrade system for career mode but for multiplayer and all other game modes i really don’t like it, the most fun I’ve had in multiplayer is in the beginner multiplayer races in those Honda Touring Cars
“Bro will never be like Gran Turismo” they copied nearly everything from GT