Please pray for his wife and family. Imagine being 70ish and finding out your husband is having an affair with a women in her twenties. Not just that but its not a private thing, my heart goes out to her, I pray Gods healing for her and the kids.
we need her name. I have been saying women need to be held accountable as well even though lawson was in a leadership position being in greater sin, women need to be exposed publicly just as much as men so that they may fear God like scripture says. She was 24-25 when it started, she was a consenting adult.
Pride is written all over this debacle. Too proud to be a member of the church. Too proud to repent. Too proud to submit to a body of elders. Please Holy Spirit, keep me from pride in any form lest I stumble. Please Lord, make me a humble servant of your Word and your will. Amen
Amen 💥 Amen. These church let him preach/teach and obviously the man is not with his wife, or traveling alone..... NO BODY QUESTION THIS MAN. Sad times.
We moved to a different city during the pandemic, and we've yet to find a new church. We're terrified of getting involved in a bad church. The one we went to before the pandemic changed. We tried going back even though the travel time was prohibitive, but it wasn't the same. It's difficult to find a church to trust now because so many of them are trying to avoid offending people rather than pleasing God.
I am in the midst of possibly changing my current church. A non-denominational. the head pastor is awesome but the jr pastor slips in charismania phrases and heresies, and the worship music often includes bethel songs and other modern christians songs that have horrible theology. (why are they always about the listener and not G-d?) I've been to others and am leaning towards either a reform baptist or actual Lutheran (not the wacky majority of bizarre lutherans both are in my town and it was easy to see which preached the Bible.) ... I feel the need to understand as my ancestors understood. No bells and whistles.
Similar to what I’m going through! Women preachers, flying the lgbtqxyz flag outside etc. I’m not saying I know everything as none of us do but I know enough to know what churches are preaching false doctrine. Tickling ears. Etc. I pray for the body of Christ daily because I know as we get closer and closer to the end that this is becoming a prevalent issue for many of us! Our Father tells that the things we go through are not unique; that our brothers and sisters go through the same things! It saddens me because I know the feeling of wanting to fellowship with others but not wanting my faith shipwrecked!
Thank you for saying his actions were pervy. Way too many guys seem to think it is OK for a man to be in a relationship with someone who is 40 yrs his junior.
Demons being exposed in todays battle vs light & darkness as it says “This people honor me with their lips but their heart is far away from me” Matthew 15:8
If the elders of my church decide to reinstate the pastor who commited adultery, I would leave. Certain sins disqualify a pastor from any leadership position, ever. Repentence is not a factor. Read Titus.
What's the difference between him and John Hagee out of TX. Who met his current (2nd) wife while he was still actively married to his 1st wife of which he had several chiildren with. They divorced after she found out about the affair while he was studying to become a pastor and he and his 2nd wife arrived and went back to the church he attended to be supported as a pastor and they refused them and kicked them out. Yet he began his own ministry as an adukteirng husband who from my understanding doesn't have anything to do with his children by his true wife. He too needs to be shunned.
Thank yall for this video ❤ I thought my husband got saved about a month ago but he won't read the Bible and has slipped back into his drinking addiction and I am so heartbroken right now. I appreciate this video and what you said about a pastor caring for the souls of the flock. God bless you 🙏
I'm so sorry! My husband drinks too! I'll pray for you and him. It's very difficult living this way. 😢 God is our strength and comfort..He is faithful!❤🙏📖⚓️
I'm so disappointed that he hasn't addressed his behavior openly. When you're a public figure with the kind of reach he's had, the people who believed in you deserve a response.
FOR IT IS WRITTEN,………..TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY : IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD , IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM . ISAIAH 8 : 20 KJV
Steve Lawson. Mike bickle. Rick Joyner. Chris Reed. Robert Morris. Steven Anderson. God is exposing much. Judgement must begin in God's house. Almost forgot about Michael Brown more and more light is shedding on his discernment or lack of.
I can't find s church 😔 i left a church that's Pentecostal The potters house Christian fellowship church. They preach false doctrine. I was going to be a pastor there but they don't want to change their doctrine no matter what. So I couldn't become a pastor and lie to believers. So I left
Continue praying for the Lord to guide you and search local Bible churches online near you❤ I couldn’t find a church for a while and went to 2 diff ones and finally went to a third one with my dad which has been such a blessing, they are a small church but doctrine is biblical and fellowship is lovely ❤❤ praying for you
People don't understand how serious this sin is in the eyes of God. Lawson and the young woman and everyone involved need our prayers. The most important thing is that they repent and sin no more.
the elders that anointed him and brought him in to be there preacher need to hold him accountable, and someone needs to hold these elders accountable as well because they did things unbiblical
Whether Steve Lawson is truly a born again Christian or not, only him in the Lord knows that. But he never taught heresy like all these other false teachers do You can try to point to his calvinistic beliefs, but that doesn't make him a false teacher. Even John MacArthur who's known him for over 25 years couldn't understand how someone could teach biblical Truth for as long as he did but at the same time had such a seared conscience that he could carry on a 5-year relationship behind his wife's back
So because he taught the word of God the way it’s supposed to be taught he gets a pass for doing the devils work & allowing demonic lust & strife to cause him to sin as he claims he’s a holy man of the lord? He was being used by satan to fool his people as he is a man of the enemy right in front of the body of Christ, satan & demons know scripture.
Yes ron absolutely right. He was a solid biblical teacher. I was horrified when I heard I could imagine the disbelief John MacArthur had when he heard. I don't know how this could be with such a great teacher. One would come to think how could he have been born again. Only God knows.
Thank you so much for this video. I have let my relationship with God wander. I am experiencing a parent who is dying and it is awful. BUT my cousin who is my very best friend in this world, basically cracked the whip LOL! Because her faith is strong. She reminded me that I am in harm's way. Prey for Satan. Thank you. I needed to hear this tonight. God bless you
What's worse is the churches trying to COVER IT UP! Lawson and the WOMAN sinned publicly and should be disciplined publicly! His was a public ministry and is accountable to EVERY person he preached and should answer to. NAME the woman!
Everyone wants to wash their hands because they don’t want to be accountable for promoting him as a “great biblical leader.” Everyone is just passing the buck.
Was he on a payroll? Those are who should deal and deal with him no more as before such. Could there be a backlash around the world on marriages, attendance and morality in general if this doesnt get dealt with? Seems these churches are more concerned about themselves. I long ago felt this way and go about sojourning to strive for God in my life, learning the lessons scriptures has us all to learn, and the responsibility givin to the keeping of my soul with hope and faith in Jesus. Pray we encourage others to seek Jesus.
I wanted to find a good church to attend in the DfW area and thought about Trinity Bible but I noticed that Lawson was always traveling and they never talk about going out and evangelizing locally. There was a local baptist church that heavily focused on evangelism and teaching biblical doctrine, so that ended up being the better choice. In hindsight, now I see why he didn’t lead Trinity Bible the way a pastor should….because he wasn’t a pastor.🙄
The closest I can think of is he was an actor. A very good actor, but an actor who played a preacher and teacher so well then he fooled almost everyone.
Membership and church discipline are different things. Today's membership contracts are business/ legal contracts that have bearing outside of the church. Church discipline is through pastor/elders who have relationship with their flock. This is almost impossible to do in mega churches or C Peter Wagner business oriented churches. Fellowship is entirely different than membership. Lawson definitely is rebellious and his church is guilty of winking at sin. The roles layed out clearly in scripture were ignored. I agree with Pastor Joe and Chads comment on how their church looks at membership. Blessings to all on this thread!
Celebrity is always dangerous for a Pastor. Some become arrogant when they see so many who line up to hear them speak. A true Pastor must know that the message is what is important, not the messenger. No offense to great Pastors (like Joe 🙂), but Pride brought down the greatest of God’s creation. It has also bitten me from time to time.
I wonder how much good the whole pastor conference circuit is really doing? It sounds to me as though there were some concerns that were being swept under the rug with Lawson and that could have been done so to get a popular speaker on stage. I think it’s wonder to be able to hear other pastors preach the Word of God, but I think that these conferences are doing some harm and may need to be abandoned.
FIRST, I fail to understand thy "protecting" of the woman in this situation. It is NOT a secret as to who she is. She is an adult and a willing participant in this sin. There is 0% chance she was unwitting or unknowing participant in both sin and "cover-up" of this relationship. SECOND, This conversation about "not a member" of the church. Ba-low-KNEE! This is semantics. If he is ministering, he is accountable. These elders need to held accountable for an UN-ACCOUNTABLE minister in the Pulpit. It's EXTREMELY SHAMEFUL. You can't hide behind this letter-of-the-law stupidity. Trinity, TMS, and Grace Com ARE ALL responsible for disciplining. Period. THAT is what they world is MOCKING the church about: REAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
Agreed. Seems more like an attack on 'christianity', than anything else. Also, it makes one wonder just how old/young this female was, when the situation began.
The real issue when it comes to Steve Lawson is that, whether from the beginning or somewhere along the way, Lawson was not being transformed by the renewing of his mind.
Joe Kirby is NOT a Calvinist. He’s a wonderful edifying Street preacher and has his own TH-cam channel that he’s never asked for money. Loves the Lord very much. Off the Curb is where you can find him , or look for Joe Kirby .
We went to see SL one Sunday 2 years ago, and he stayed around to greet people. We met him & got a photo w him. Ive felt so terrible that I was gushing over a preacher I trusted. But yeah that Sunday he stayed around.
Alll of this has been sad and tragic. He deceived everyone he wasn't who I thought he was. I pray he repents. I don't know if you can do church discipline because of not being a member. This is so heartbreaking.
What a mess! The church as a whole is in trouble I think. This is a warning to all Christians to either get your life right with God or leave the church. We have too many wolves in sheep’s clothing in the church today. Jesus said that judgment begins in the house of the Lord. Thank you for being here for us Pastors Joe and Chad and helping leading the flock on these larger issues in the American church today.
These posers and scammers are EVERYWHERE ... I have encountered them for years and years in every possible place. I trust very few people these days. Only my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️✝️ Amen
Lawson was a con man. His job provided him plenty of young women. Complete feaud and the church needs to toughen up with this stuff. Too much coddling and kindness.
God is cleaning house. We all need to take our son seriously and repent. From Calvinist to hyper charismatics. So many people falling. Yet, us, the unknown, we sin too and need to repent and turn away from our sin!
This is an important lesson, we must pray to God and study the word. Fellowship is so important, we are to keep each other accountable. I just can’t believe the church didn’t know he was a member or pastor? Or they did know but just didn’t do anything about it..there’s a lot wrong here
It's because he didn't sign a piece of paper.... How shallow have we become. If we have no idea what comprises a church then we have bigger problems on our hands.
My prayer is that God purify and abundantly bless and sanctity and use us as the church worldwide to be lights and to make disciples for the glory of our Heavenly Father in Jesus our Lord through the Holy Spirit!
Churches are businesses and social clubs, with all that implies. If you have a church that is nourishing you and you are serving others there, you are really blessed.
Thank you brothers for tackling this topic. I desire that as you young pastors expose this occurrence, that you will be teaching people about church discipline by example. I have the confidence that you brothers will stick to scriptures that I know you men read and teach. Remember when Mr. Jimmy Swaggart fell and confessed publicly of a similar sin. I , at this time didn't think the assemblies of God would handle this problem scripturally that I knew. You see the way the AG allow the charismatic gifts to be exercised, they do not hold to sound instructions of how they are to operate and cause edification. I was completely wrong. The Assembly of God denomination presented the opportunity to go through restoration to MR. Swaggart. He refused, saying he didn't need the AG. I have heard Jimmy on the radio since. I think he is trying to "Lone ranger " his ministry. It looks like MR. Lawson was doing the same thing, and look what can happened. I pray for restoration and serious repentance for Mr. Lawson if God chooses to grant it to him. 2Timothy 2: 24-26.
UKW WHEN I HEARD U GUYS SPEAK ON THIS IT TOOK ME ALL THE WAY BACK TO.WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, & MY MOM USE TO TELL ME,NO MATTER WHERE U LIVE GO & FIND A CHURCH!!! IM FROM BALTIMORE CITY, MD. I JUST PRAY 🙏🏻🙏🏻 FOR U GUYS WOULD COME HERE WHEN EVERY U TRAVEL, BC OUR CITY IS SO LOST, & WE ALL NEED TO REPENT,BC CRIME IS SO HIGH. GOD BLESS U GUYS PLEASE KEEP US IN MIND WHEN PRAYING AMEN
To be honest, l found his teaching much like John MacArthur's... Hollow, in a Literal sense. Whats has happened and is happening in the Body of Christ is Refreshing. Praise God for Jesus, Amen.
The Holy Spirit doesn't speak on His own. If He's flourishing in us, should we do the same... rejecting idolatry? We're not perfect... we make mistakes... but, when recognized, do we walk away from sinful behavior? Or do we do a "work around" to God's Word so we can deaden conviction from the Holy Spirit? Is it alright to violate the image of God (murder) of your neighbor even to justify good works? With shepherds or the flock, doesn't accountability apply to both? Does the Sword of God's Word (conviction from the Holy Spirit) operate only in the "bodies".... or in the Body of Christ?
Real question Joe. What is meant by you saying reject Charismania if you can? What do you mean? What is Charismania? I am not fishing here I really do not know what that means. Thanks Guys
@@gkaren2193 I’ve known some very arrogant Calvinist so it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the *thought process* of *some*, not all. It must be an issue since apostle Paul addressed it - those that go on sinning because of God’s grace. Paul’s response was “May it never be!”
@@gkaren2193 You may not believe that way , but there are many who do, and when I saw him with that girl in Church, and that look on his face. I could see he thinks that way.
@cameraredeye3115 that's what I believe... I just felt wrecked hearing of this. For him but also the many people these actions affect. Sadly, situations like this have the potential of turning many seekers away. My prayers go out to all involved. May the weight of his sins leave him crashing to his knees in sincere repentance and may all others hunger and thirst to come into the saving love and grace of Jesus Christ. Lord, I pray you draw the hearts of the people to you with a mighty hand that they may seek your face. Comfort, heal & restore, Oh' God. In your most honorable and Holy name I pray. AMEN!! GOD has surely been exposing many dark secrets and players within the church. May the Reverence & fear of the Lord be restored to all. Thanks for these valuable, though very troubling details. Such things must be removed from among us, at least until or "if" truly repented of and congregants need to be protected from those seeking to prey amongst us. Many blessings of the Lord be yours. AMEN!
Okay fine. Go ahead and pray for him but he was strutting back and forth onstage far too long. Too well known, too celebrated in Christian circles. The betrayal has been deeply felt.
Jim Jones , Jim baker ,Jimmy Swagger , Eddie long , Robert Morris , Carl lenz , Todd Bentley, Tony Evans , Mike bickle , Ted haggard , and the list goes on and on . Weren't they all members of a church ? Steve Larson not being a member of a church means nothing he would have did it even if he was a member of a church. He is just one example of someone who wasn't a member of a church against hundreds if not thousands who were members .
Probably the reason Steve Lawson hasn't repented is because the calvinist doctrine states that EVERYTHING is predetermined by God. I literally heard Steve say once, that God micromanages every part of his life, so in his mind, God predetermined that he would have an affair, therefore it was God's will for him, so it's not his fault, it's God's fault and he doesn't have a say in the matter. Isn't that the most ridiculous doctrine ever? It leaves the believer unaccountable. Isn't that nice?🙄 if there ever was a doctrine of demons it's calvinism. My question is: how does this happen that he wasn't even a member, but was given the authority of a pastor? Who knew this and WHEN did they know, & who allowed it? SPECIFICALLY???? I hate to say it, but Steve Lawson is a wicked man.
So this is simple. With A PASTOR none the less. How can the church and why is the church covering up if he's a member. That should be known day 1 after the event. Thats the most basic thing. The church is ruining their witness before Christ. Is he a member or not. Simple. Yes the church knows. Tell everyone!
I think that the fact that he was not a member of Trinity has been disproved (there is a video on G3 ministries claiming that), however to me his silence says it all, he could have at least released a brief statement as he was in public ministry after all...Hope he repents.
Yeah, you can see how things maybe got overlooked and the rest happened little by little... Nobody says anything because, well, he's Steve Lawson? (Or Ravi Zacharias?) None of us are exempt. The moment you think it can't happen to you, that you are safe from ANY sin... Men, make like Joseph and git!
The Lord is cleaning house. The world must watch out judgment is COMING to ALL‼️ If you aren't saved be TERRIFIED, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 he died for your sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and rose the third day according to the scriptures.
What I find most disturbing is that the little weasel, Steve Lawson, preached “another gospel”. I heard him say that the true gospel was not so important; works are what really matters. I don’t understand why so few brothers in CHRIST are not emphasizing this issue. This guy is a complete fraud.
The sad part is he did preach the gospel.Through scripture alone. Christ alone. Faith alone. Grace alone. To the glory of Christ alone. That leads you to good works
All the men of that church need to repent leadership to layman for sitting by and saying nothing for all those years even though the chips were adding up that something was off about the way Lawson moved or didn’t move. Saying that he was just another man who preached and not the lead preacher is a cop out and total opposite of 1 Cor 16:13. Repentance from all the men at Trinity is what’s needed if it hasn’t already happened. A castle with no walls the enemy is always lurking about. #ChristIsKing 👑
Curious but what does the Good Fight Ministries think of "Preterism". The view that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled and we are living in the end of the millennial reign of Christ right now?
I believe they touched up on this topic. If preterism were actually true, that means: 1) The beast's kingdom would have already been fully implemented, and ultimately thrown down at the return of Christ 2) The great catching away, followed immediately by the entire earth feeling the unbridled wrath of God, would have already occured 3) Every nation on earth, without exception, would have already been under Christ's direct reign for nearly 1000 years Obviously none of these have happened yet, so preterism is hereby disproven beyond all reasonable doubt.
I agree. However, the claim is this happened in 70AD in Jerusalem (I believe this event just supports the gospel of Nicodemus) or during the reign of Pope sixtus and the holy of holies that was defiled was the Vatican. Again I don't believe in that idea, specifically because the geological changes that happen to Israel before the millennial reign hasn't happened yet (i.e. Zechariah 14 Jerusalem becomes a sea port and the dead sea becomes productive).@@cameraredeye3115
Could y’all also do a video about the repercussions for the young lady.. I know several women that pastors tried to manipulate into relationships one that almost committed suicide. Most people blame the woman. Oh she must have done something to entice. But lots of times it’s not the woman it’s men using their authority as perpetrators.. I hope someone is reaching out out to her as well. Women can look up to men in authority . It’s a shame when they use that to their advantage.
She's not a child. She was in her twenties. She was an adult who should have known better than to get involved with him. She's not a victim but a participant. Unless she wants to claim that he r*ped or entrapped her during their relationship.
Not everyone can give a sermon, it's like having a superpower that can tempt some Pastors to become the Christian version of Harvey Weinstein except better at it.
I'd love to cry out to God with others but in my town it seems every church is false an super churches an nar movement churches I want to find a church but I seem to be able to find a true church plus I'm disabled an can't get out much
Please pray for his wife and family. Imagine being 70ish and finding out your husband is having an affair with a women in her twenties. Not just that but its not a private thing, my heart goes out to her, I pray Gods healing for her and the kids.
News Flash: She KNEW long before it became public.
God is exposing things done in darkness .
Amen 🙏🏼
Right!
John Calvin?
The young woman needs to repent to. Just as guilty. Sin is sin
I hear she has repented and is submitting to church discipline/counseling. For this reason, we don't need to know who she is.
we need her name. I have been saying women need to be held accountable as well even though lawson was in a leadership position being in greater sin, women need to be exposed publicly just as much as men so that they may fear God like scripture says. She was 24-25 when it started, she was a consenting adult.
She wasn't standing in a pulpit telling other people how to be a great Christian.
@@RogueWave2030but her wicked behavior caused other young brothers and sisters in Christ to stumble. Both have committed adultery.
@@sonOfTheL1vingGod Per Matthew 18, she doesn't need to be known to us if she has repented and is accepting church counseling.
Pride is written all over this debacle. Too proud to be a member of the church. Too proud to repent. Too proud to submit to a body of elders.
Please Holy Spirit, keep me from pride in any form lest I stumble. Please Lord, make me a humble servant of your Word and your will. Amen
Amen 💥 Amen. These church let him preach/teach and obviously the man is not with his wife, or traveling alone..... NO BODY QUESTION THIS MAN. Sad times.
Wonderful prayer 🙏🏽.
Too proud to be a good husband…
We moved to a different city during the pandemic, and we've yet to find a new church. We're terrified of getting involved in a bad church. The one we went to before the pandemic changed. We tried going back even though the travel time was prohibitive, but it wasn't the same. It's difficult to find a church to trust now because so many of them are trying to avoid offending people rather than pleasing God.
If it's any indicator, the overwhelming majority of churches were either closed or fully online for much of 2020.
Four years of “Woke” influence on churches.
I am in the midst of possibly changing my current church. A non-denominational. the head pastor is awesome but the jr pastor slips in charismania phrases and heresies, and the worship music often includes bethel songs and other modern christians songs that have horrible theology. (why are they always about the listener and not G-d?)
I've been to others and am leaning towards either a reform baptist or actual Lutheran (not the wacky majority of bizarre lutherans both are in my town and it was easy to see which preached the Bible.) ... I feel the need to understand as my ancestors understood. No bells and whistles.
What pandemic?
Similar to what I’m going through! Women preachers, flying the lgbtqxyz flag outside etc. I’m not saying I know everything as none of us do but I know enough to know what churches are preaching false doctrine. Tickling ears. Etc. I pray for the body of Christ daily because I know as we get closer and closer to the end that this is becoming a prevalent issue for many of us! Our Father tells that the things we go through are not unique; that our brothers and sisters go through the same things! It saddens me because I know the feeling of wanting to fellowship with others but not wanting my faith shipwrecked!
Thank you for saying his actions were pervy. Way too many guys seem to think it is OK for a man to be in a relationship with someone who is 40 yrs his junior.
Nothing wrong with two adults deciding to be together regardless of legal age. The sin is that he's married and the 25 year old wasn't his wife.
Agreed Grand Daughter age. Most non believers not think this behavior is acceptable.
Isaac was brought a teen at 40. It has been common until the last 200 years. 40 is a little far. But age gaps are normal.
1 Kings 1:1-4
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Demons being exposed in todays battle vs light & darkness as it says “This people honor me with their lips but their heart is far away from me”
Matthew 15:8
If the elders of my church decide to reinstate the pastor who commited adultery, I would leave.
Certain sins disqualify a pastor from any leadership position, ever.
Repentence is not a factor.
Read Titus.
What's the difference between him and John Hagee out of TX.
Who met his current (2nd) wife while he was still actively married to his 1st wife of which he had several chiildren with.
They divorced after she found out about the affair while he was studying to become a pastor and he and his 2nd wife arrived and went back to the church he attended to be supported as a pastor and they refused them and kicked them out.
Yet he began his own ministry as an adukteirng husband who from my understanding doesn't have anything to do with his children by his true wife.
He too needs to be shunned.
Thank yall for this video ❤ I thought my husband got saved about a month ago but he won't read the Bible and has slipped back into his drinking addiction and I am so heartbroken right now. I appreciate this video and what you said about a pastor caring for the souls of the flock. God bless you 🙏
I'm so sorry! My husband drinks too! I'll pray for you and him. It's very difficult living this way. 😢 God is our strength and comfort..He is faithful!❤🙏📖⚓️
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Perhaps those church elders, who knew he was not even a member, should be cleared out. New elders and pastors put in their place.
Lawson can be restored to membership, but never in the role as pastor.
I'm so disappointed that he hasn't addressed his behavior openly. When you're a public figure with the kind of reach he's had, the people who believed in you deserve a response.
His lack of response, "is" his response.
Exactly!
Maybe he hasn’t repented?
FOR IT IS WRITTEN,………..TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY : IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD , IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM . ISAIAH 8 : 20 KJV
"To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn." Isaiah 8:20 ESV
Steve Lawson. Mike bickle. Rick Joyner. Chris Reed. Robert Morris. Steven Anderson. God is exposing much. Judgement must begin in God's house. Almost forgot about Michael Brown more and more light is shedding on his discernment or lack of.
Also, Charles Goff and Sean Goff! I don't think they're related.
Jacob Prasch too
I can't find s church 😔 i left a church that's Pentecostal The potters house Christian fellowship church. They preach false doctrine. I was going to be a pastor there but they don't want to change their doctrine no matter what. So I couldn't become a pastor and lie to believers. So I left
I can't find a church either, so I figure I'll study and pray and see where that leads me.
Continue praying for the Lord to guide you and search local Bible churches online near you❤ I couldn’t find a church for a while and went to 2 diff ones and finally went to a third one with my dad which has been such a blessing, they are a small church but doctrine is biblical and fellowship is lovely ❤❤ praying for you
Please tell me what false doctrine? I know about this church, they are in South Africa too.
I go to a great small baptist church in arlington
Where is his apology to us he has been deceiving?
Praise The King 👑, Lord Jesus Christ!❤❤❤
I’m surprised McArthur didn’t notice sooner.
Joe. You hit the nail on the head on this one concerning fellowship.May the lord help me on this one
People don't understand how serious this sin is in the eyes of God. Lawson and the young woman and everyone involved need our prayers. The most important thing is that they repent and sin no more.
the elders that anointed him and brought him in to be there preacher need to hold him accountable, and someone needs to hold these elders accountable as well because they did things unbiblical
Whether Steve Lawson is truly a born again Christian or not, only him in the Lord knows that.
But he never taught heresy like all these other false teachers do
You can try to point to his calvinistic beliefs, but that doesn't make him a false teacher.
Even John MacArthur who's known him for over 25 years couldn't understand how someone could teach biblical Truth for as long as he did but at the same time had such a seared conscience that he could carry on a 5-year relationship behind his wife's back
So because he taught the word of God the way it’s supposed to be taught he gets a pass for doing the devils work & allowing demonic lust & strife to cause him to sin as he claims he’s a holy man of the lord? He was being used by satan to fool his people as he is a man of the enemy right in front of the body of Christ, satan & demons know scripture.
70+ with a girl in her 20s , and a dean of a Bible college is the big problem here... Complete abuse of power
Yes ron absolutely right. He was a solid biblical teacher. I was horrified when I heard I could imagine the disbelief John MacArthur had when he heard. I don't know how this could be with such a great teacher. One would come to think how could he have been born again. Only God knows.
macarthur is a hypocrite who says that the blood of Jesus does not save and that you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved.
@ wolves in sheep’s clothing doing satans work & doctrine to keep people emotionally tied to him still in their bondage
Thank you so much for this video. I have let my relationship with God wander. I am experiencing a parent who is dying and it is awful. BUT my cousin who is my very best friend in this world, basically cracked the whip LOL! Because her faith is strong. She reminded me that I am in harm's way. Prey for Satan. Thank you. I needed to hear this tonight. God bless you
Thank you Pastor Joe for making it clear that live streams though a huge blessing there should still needs to be a fellowship with accountability
What's worse is the churches trying to COVER IT UP! Lawson and the WOMAN sinned publicly and should be disciplined publicly! His was a public ministry and is accountable to EVERY person he preached and should answer to. NAME the woman!
Everyone wants to wash their hands because they don’t want to be accountable for promoting him as a “great biblical leader.” Everyone is just passing the buck.
Was he on a payroll? Those are who should deal and deal with him no more as before such. Could there be a backlash around the world on marriages, attendance and morality in general if this doesnt get dealt with? Seems these churches are more concerned about themselves. I long ago felt this way and go about sojourning to strive for God in my life, learning the lessons scriptures has us all to learn, and the responsibility givin to the keeping of my soul with hope and faith in Jesus. Pray we encourage others to seek Jesus.
Yes she is in her twenties they said so not underage or anything.No doubt he has made sure she is protected.
Say it louder for the people in the back, Fran! ❤
She likely is a victim of “Clergy Sexual Abuse “ even if she was of legal age.
I wanted to find a good church to attend in the DfW area and thought about Trinity Bible but I noticed that Lawson was always traveling and they never talk about going out and evangelizing locally. There was a local baptist church that heavily focused on evangelism and teaching biblical doctrine, so that ended up being the better choice. In hindsight, now I see why he didn’t lead Trinity Bible the way a pastor should….because he wasn’t a pastor.🙄
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June Hunt with Hope For The Heart in Plano is pretty cool and they might have some good references to churches in the area. I would give them a call.
He wasn't a pastor. He wasn't even an elder, deacon or member and nobody said anything.
The closest I can think of is he was an actor. A very good actor, but an actor who played a preacher and teacher so well then he fooled almost everyone.
Membership and church discipline are different things. Today's membership contracts are business/ legal contracts that have bearing outside of the church.
Church discipline is through pastor/elders who have relationship with their flock. This is almost impossible to do in mega churches or C Peter Wagner business oriented churches.
Fellowship is entirely different than membership.
Lawson definitely is rebellious and his church is guilty of winking at sin. The roles layed out clearly in scripture were ignored.
I agree with Pastor Joe and Chads comment on how their church looks at membership.
Blessings to all on this thread!
Please don't refer to this guy as a gentleman. If he's a gentleman, the word has no meaning.
Celebrity is always dangerous for a Pastor. Some become arrogant when they see so many who line up to hear them speak. A true Pastor must know that the message is what is important, not the messenger. No offense to great Pastors (like Joe 🙂), but Pride brought down the greatest of God’s creation. It has also bitten me from time to time.
I wonder how much good the whole pastor conference circuit is really doing? It sounds to me as though there were some concerns that were being swept under the rug with Lawson and that could have been done so to get a popular speaker on stage. I think it’s wonder to be able to hear other pastors preach the Word of God, but I think that these conferences are doing some harm and may need to be abandoned.
Onstage. That's the key.
The 5? Year deception is worse. What about the gift of discernment? wit h those who are close to him
The woman is over 18? Expose her too. She shouldnt get special treatment.
FIRST, I fail to understand thy "protecting" of the woman in this situation. It is NOT a secret as to who she is. She is an adult and a willing participant in this sin. There is 0% chance she was unwitting or unknowing participant in both sin and "cover-up" of this relationship.
SECOND, This conversation about "not a member" of the church. Ba-low-KNEE! This is semantics. If he is ministering, he is accountable. These elders need to held accountable for an UN-ACCOUNTABLE minister in the Pulpit. It's EXTREMELY SHAMEFUL. You can't hide behind this letter-of-the-law stupidity. Trinity, TMS, and Grace Com ARE ALL responsible for disciplining. Period.
THAT is what they world is MOCKING the church about: REAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
Agreed. Seems more like an attack on 'christianity', than anything else. Also, it makes one wonder just how old/young this female was, when the situation began.
Church got a way of sweeping their sin under the rug!
The real issue when it comes to Steve Lawson is that, whether from the beginning or somewhere along the way, Lawson was not being transformed by the renewing of his mind.
Lawson straight up dipped on outta there. Man up and face the music, Lawson.
Yup!! The coward tucked tail and boogied.
He’s most likely a member of a secret society.
If he hasn't repented yet. Highly doubt he will.
Exactly.
I never realized that slanderous Christian gossip could be a blessing
Joe Kirby is NOT a Calvinist. He’s a wonderful edifying Street preacher and has his own TH-cam channel that he’s never asked for money. Loves the Lord very much. Off the Curb is where you can find him , or look for Joe Kirby .
Love Joe.
Your scripture teaching today was a blessing. Thanks. *2 Peter 3:18*
We went to see SL one Sunday 2 years ago, and he stayed around to greet people. We met him & got a photo w him. Ive felt so terrible that I was gushing over a preacher I trusted. But yeah that Sunday he stayed around.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS ❤
Alll of this has been sad and tragic. He deceived everyone he wasn't who I thought he was. I pray he repents. I don't know if you can do church discipline because of not being a member. This is so heartbreaking.
Thank you Chad and pastor Joe for this video and message and thank you to gfm❤
He wont repent because hes been living in rebellion for years. Hes a snob. Ive met a few elitist Christians like this.
What a mess! The church as a whole is in trouble I think. This is a warning to all Christians to either get your life right with God or leave the church. We have too many wolves in sheep’s clothing in the church today. Jesus said that judgment begins in the house of the Lord. Thank you for being here for us Pastors Joe and Chad and helping leading the flock on these larger issues in the American church today.
Reminds me of Ravi Zacharias 😢
With all of the 'exposing' your ministry and church does I pray for your sakes that your house is also clean.
These posers and scammers are EVERYWHERE ... I have encountered them for years and years in every possible place. I trust very few people these days. Only my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️✝️ Amen
Lawson was a con man.
His job provided him plenty of young women.
Complete feaud and the church needs to toughen up with this stuff. Too much coddling and kindness.
God is cleaning house. We all need to take our son seriously and repent. From Calvinist to hyper charismatics. So many people falling. Yet, us, the unknown, we sin too and need to repent and turn away from our sin!
This is an important lesson, we must pray to God and study the word. Fellowship is so important, we are to keep each other accountable. I just can’t believe the church didn’t know he was a member or pastor? Or they did know but just didn’t do anything about it..there’s a lot wrong here
Let anyone who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall
Not understanding how is he not a pastor ther but they let him pastor ther 🤔
Right. His photo was first in the lineup in their glossy brochure.
It's because he didn't sign a piece of paper.... How shallow have we become. If we have no idea what comprises a church then we have bigger problems on our hands.
He was a paid speaker. Forget pastor. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. She has a part in this too. Flattering and pursuing an old married man.
So much truth in here
My prayer is that God purify and abundantly bless and sanctity and use us as the church worldwide to be lights and to make disciples for the glory of our Heavenly Father in Jesus our Lord through the Holy Spirit!
A Calvinist can't repent; they have no free will.
Yep. Their logic is self-destroying.
Great stuff guys! Praise GOD!!!
Churches are businesses and social clubs, with all that implies.
If you have a church that is nourishing you and you are serving others there, you are really blessed.
Thank you brothers for tackling this topic. I desire that as you young pastors expose this occurrence, that you will be teaching people about church discipline by example. I have the confidence that you brothers will stick to scriptures that I know you men read and teach. Remember when Mr. Jimmy Swaggart fell and confessed publicly of a similar sin. I , at this time didn't think the assemblies of God would handle this problem scripturally that I knew. You see the way the AG allow the charismatic gifts to be exercised, they do not hold to sound instructions of how they are to operate and cause edification. I was completely wrong. The Assembly of God denomination presented the opportunity to go through restoration to MR. Swaggart. He refused, saying he didn't need the AG. I have heard Jimmy on the radio since. I think he is trying to "Lone ranger " his ministry. It looks like MR. Lawson was doing the same thing, and look what can happened. I pray for restoration and serious repentance for Mr. Lawson if God chooses to grant it to him. 2Timothy 2: 24-26.
UKW WHEN I HEARD U GUYS SPEAK ON THIS IT TOOK ME ALL THE WAY BACK TO.WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, & MY MOM USE TO TELL ME,NO MATTER WHERE U LIVE GO & FIND A CHURCH!!! IM FROM BALTIMORE CITY, MD. I JUST PRAY 🙏🏻🙏🏻 FOR U GUYS WOULD COME HERE WHEN EVERY U TRAVEL, BC OUR CITY IS SO LOST, & WE ALL NEED TO REPENT,BC CRIME IS SO HIGH. GOD BLESS U GUYS PLEASE KEEP US IN MIND WHEN PRAYING AMEN
How many “pastors” are just good public speakers? That’s why they need to get winnowed out.
There is no reason the woman’s identity is being protected. She is of age and just as guilty.
To be honest, l found his teaching much like John MacArthur's... Hollow, in a Literal sense. Whats has happened and is happening in the Body of Christ is Refreshing.
Praise God for Jesus, Amen.
How on earth did Steve Lawson get into the pulpit of the church?
May God you Chad and Ben, your families, and ministries!
Amen Chad accountable to other believers
The Holy Spirit doesn't speak on His own. If He's flourishing in us, should we do the same... rejecting idolatry? We're not perfect... we make mistakes... but, when recognized, do we walk away from sinful behavior? Or do we do a "work around" to God's Word so we can deaden conviction from the Holy Spirit? Is it alright to violate the image of God (murder) of your neighbor even to justify good works? With shepherds or the flock, doesn't accountability apply to both? Does the Sword of God's Word (conviction from the Holy Spirit) operate only in the "bodies".... or in the Body of Christ?
Seems like God is giving several so called pastors a warning, exposing their sins .
Real question Joe. What is meant by you saying reject Charismania if you can? What do you mean? What is Charismania? I am not fishing here I really do not know what that means. Thanks Guys
Lawson believe, because he of the elect ,he can do whatever he wants.
No. In his theological world, he knows his fellow, visible elders will doubt he was EVER saved.
Lestie1686.. that is not true at all! Calvinists do not believe that.
@@gkaren2193 I’ve known some very arrogant Calvinist so it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the *thought process* of *some*, not all. It must be an issue since apostle Paul addressed it - those that go on sinning because of God’s grace. Paul’s response was “May it never be!”
Calvinism is Satanic doctrine even named after a murderer.
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You may not believe that way , but there are many who do, and when I saw him with that girl in Church, and that look on his face.
I could see he thinks that way.
So, is it now impossible for Steve Lawson to sincerely repent and be restored to Christ?
I don’t think it’s impossible, but there’s no sign of him being sorrowful and regretful of his sin.
It's not impossible while he draws breath. As to whether he will or not, well... that's a different matter.
As far as anyone knows, he's spending his money and living his unrepentant lifestyle. Public repentance is required from a public figure.
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@cameraredeye3115 that's what I believe... I just felt wrecked hearing of this. For him but also the many people these actions affect. Sadly, situations like this have the potential of turning many seekers away. My prayers go out to all involved. May the weight of his sins leave him crashing to his knees in sincere repentance and may all others hunger and thirst to come into the saving love and grace of Jesus Christ. Lord, I pray you draw the hearts of the people to you with a mighty hand that they may seek your face. Comfort, heal & restore, Oh' God. In your most honorable and Holy name I pray. AMEN!!
GOD has surely been exposing many dark secrets and players within the church. May the Reverence & fear of the Lord be restored to all.
Thanks for these valuable, though very troubling details. Such things must be removed from among us, at least until or "if" truly repented of and congregants need to be protected from those seeking to prey amongst us. Many blessings of the Lord be yours. AMEN!
Amen , love good fight ministries on TH-cam!
The Truth is we Need to Pray for him !!! We need to Stop this until we know the Truth !! You don’t know if he’s unrepentant.
Okay fine. Go ahead and pray for him but he was strutting back and forth onstage far too long. Too well known, too celebrated in Christian circles. The betrayal has been deeply felt.
Jim Jones , Jim baker ,Jimmy Swagger , Eddie long , Robert Morris , Carl lenz , Todd Bentley, Tony Evans , Mike bickle , Ted haggard , and the list goes on and on . Weren't they all members of a church ? Steve Larson not being a member of a church means nothing he would have did it even if he was a member of a church. He is just one example of someone who wasn't a member of a church against hundreds if not thousands who were members .
Probably the reason Steve Lawson hasn't repented is because the calvinist doctrine states that EVERYTHING is predetermined by God. I literally heard Steve say once, that God micromanages every part of his life, so in his mind, God predetermined that he would have an affair, therefore it was God's will for him, so it's not his fault, it's God's fault and he doesn't have a say in the matter. Isn't that the most ridiculous doctrine ever? It leaves the believer unaccountable. Isn't that nice?🙄 if there ever was a doctrine of demons it's calvinism. My question is: how does this happen that he wasn't even a member, but was given the authority of a pastor? Who knew this and WHEN did they know, & who allowed it? SPECIFICALLY???? I hate to say it, but Steve Lawson is a wicked man.
The woman has been named. And has been for quite awhile now
So this is simple.
With A PASTOR none the less.
How can the church and why is the church covering up if he's a member. That should be known day 1 after the event.
Thats the most basic thing.
The church is ruining their witness before Christ. Is he a member or not. Simple. Yes the church knows. Tell everyone!
Wickedness in High Places...smh..
I agree 💯 good show good sermon 😊
I think that the fact that he was not a member of Trinity has been disproved (there is a video on G3 ministries claiming that), however to me his silence says it all, he could have at least released a brief statement as he was in public ministry after all...Hope he repents.
Yeah, you can see how things maybe got overlooked and the rest happened little by little... Nobody says anything because, well, he's Steve Lawson? (Or Ravi Zacharias?) None of us are exempt. The moment you think it can't happen to you, that you are safe from ANY sin... Men, make like Joseph and git!
The revelations about Ravi Zacharias blew me away! Not him! And now this dude.
On going no repentance is the biggest issue, why did not John Mac discern this John Mac is a God fearing Man.
The Lord is cleaning house. The world must watch out judgment is COMING to ALL‼️ If you aren't saved be TERRIFIED, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 he died for your sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and rose the third day according to the scriptures.
What I find most disturbing is that the little weasel, Steve Lawson, preached “another gospel”. I heard him say that the true gospel was not so important; works are what really matters. I don’t understand why so few brothers in CHRIST are not emphasizing this issue. This guy is a complete fraud.
The sad part is he did preach the gospel.Through scripture alone. Christ alone. Faith alone. Grace alone. To the glory of Christ alone. That leads you to good works
Is there a church in Los Angeles area that you can recommend
Have you guys done a debate with _Free Grace Theology_ adherents? People like Bob Wilkin or Fred Lybrand.
All the men of that church need to repent leadership to layman for sitting by and saying nothing for all those years even though the chips were adding up that something was off about the way Lawson moved or didn’t move. Saying that he was just another man who preached and not the lead preacher is a cop out and total opposite of 1 Cor 16:13. Repentance from all the men at Trinity is what’s needed if it hasn’t already happened. A castle with no walls the enemy is always lurking about.
#ChristIsKing 👑
Nobody ever believed this relationship wasn't sexual. Use wisdom.
I’m not sure what’s worse….his compromised behavior or his false teaching of Calvinism.
Perhaps they go together
Curious but what does the Good Fight Ministries think of "Preterism". The view that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled and we are living in the end of the millennial reign of Christ right now?
I believe they touched up on this topic. If preterism were actually true, that means:
1) The beast's kingdom would have already been fully implemented, and ultimately thrown down at the return of Christ
2) The great catching away, followed immediately by the entire earth feeling the unbridled wrath of God, would have already occured
3) Every nation on earth, without exception, would have already been under Christ's direct reign for nearly 1000 years
Obviously none of these have happened yet, so preterism is hereby disproven beyond all reasonable doubt.
I agree. However, the claim is this happened in 70AD in Jerusalem (I believe this event just supports the gospel of Nicodemus) or during the reign of Pope sixtus and the holy of holies that was defiled was the Vatican. Again I don't believe in that idea, specifically because the geological changes that happen to Israel before the millennial reign hasn't happened yet (i.e. Zechariah 14 Jerusalem becomes a sea port and the dead sea becomes productive).@@cameraredeye3115
Could y’all also do a video about the repercussions for the young lady.. I know several women that pastors tried to manipulate into relationships one that almost committed suicide. Most people blame the woman. Oh she must have done something to entice. But lots of times it’s not the woman it’s men using their authority as perpetrators.. I hope someone is reaching out out to her as well. Women can look up to men in authority . It’s a shame when they use that to their advantage.
She's not a child. She was in her twenties. She was an adult who should have known better than to get involved with him. She's not a victim but a participant. Unless she wants to claim that he r*ped or entrapped her during their relationship.
Bread eaten in secret is sweet
She knew what she was doing. Don’t be a clown enabler 😂
This is wild. It’s like a movie
Do you know of a church anywhere in the Austin TX area that teaches like you do?? Anyone???
I live in Austin and searching for over 10 years. If you want fellowship I'm willing to meet up.
The face of the woman involved in the affair should be revealed. Too many secrets.
It was Big Mike.
Yup it was revealed on the internet
She has been mentioned by name and several pictures of her, even one with the two together
Is SL still attending church service?
Not everyone can give a sermon, it's like having a superpower that can tempt some Pastors to become the Christian version of Harvey Weinstein except better at it.
I'd love to cry out to God with others but in my town it seems every church is false an super churches an nar movement churches I want to find a church but I seem to be able to find a true church plus I'm disabled an can't get out much