The thing that I realized after finishing the entire series is that the entire show was one big reverse flashpoint from the very first episode reverse flash changed the timeline completely from the original timeline thus creating a reverse flashpoint
@@darkshadowx9543 I have said in my Original Timeline Flash videos that he had a Team Flash but went solo and only teams up with them or even the Justice League if need be. Though I absolutely wouldn't mind if Barry was solo from the beginning then created The Justice League.
Yeah. OG Flash probably ran solo but as shown in flashpoint the way Kid Flash went to cisco when he needed certain skills is probably how it went with the OG flash. Safe to say, in the OG timeline Cisco made Barry his suit because it's very similar to suits in seasons 1-4.
There is no og time line barry mother was always suppose to die that night. Reverse flash wanted him to save his mom so he can never become to.flash and he will be protected in the speed force while he saves his mom.
The whole new timeline we got for the show could also explain why Green Arrow is more dark and broody compared to the comic character who is more happy and light hearted. One big change in the time stream affects everything as seem when Barry tried to change his past and then repair it and the members of Team Flash lives changed and when Diggle's kid changed genders. It's entirely possible that Oliver was changed to be what we got for Arrow which was basically Batman.
I always liked to think that Og Barry was comic Barry or the closest thing to comic Barry because of thawn mentioning dawn Allen who’s from the comics and was never seen in the show and that thawn was from the Og timeline
doesnt the fact that Reverse flash going back in time to make a really big temporal change that solidifies instantly , makes the timeline we know as the Reverse Flashpoint ? look at it this way , when Barry created flashpoint , it was because he changed a crucial moment in his life , which is saving his mom , which led to his father not going to jail and much more , but this very reason leads to his eventual erasing if you remember , so by having Nora allen was killed by Reverse flash , it would make the original timeline as the Reverse flashpoint , but then why did reverse flash did not get erased ? it is because if he does not exist , he never creates the particle accelerator , he does not admire flash , he does not get humiliated by the flash , he never takes the flash as his greatest foe , which leads to him never killing Nora allen , which means that the flash wont be the flash!!! , also about the original timeline flash , ig his timeline was erased as soon as nora allen died because in his timeline she never dies , which meant that he was never raised by joe and iris , hence I feel that the original timeline of the flash was erased as soon as nora died , it would have been erased nevertheless if reverse flash killed young barry , now here is the fun part , I just told that his timeline was erased , which means the original timeline was erased , but if that is erased , then no other timeline would exist , making it as the Prime timeline , hence I can say (this is trippy) but the Prime timeline itself became simultaneous with all the other possible timelines (that is , existing at every moment at the same time) , hence making this timeline untouchable , un erasable , and un alterable , solidifying the so called "proper events" , which eventually gets altered due to temporal changes (which is not related to the changes in Prime timeline) !!! (good luck reading and understanding that ;))
In the original timeline Nora Allen still dies. Reverse Flash back in S1 says that her death was destined. The only difference between the timelines is Eobard Thawne creates the Flash in 2013. The other timeline is the original Harrison Wells in 2020. The original timeline was erased when Eobard Thawne becomes Harrison Wells.
@@chaotic2insanity nope eobard killing nora was a change in timeline But it was set in stone becoming an event set in stone which is why Barry creating flashpoint fucks up the timeline instead of just fixing it
I always had this idea that once original Barry stopped RV flash from killing younger him he knew that he would be erased so he ran into the speed force and stayed there.
or maybe he thought that Thawne wouldn't kill Nora so he tried to run back to the future but was erased from excistense during the process. But the first part kinda does not make sense why would he leave his perants with an evil speedster
@@DONER_KEBAB_1234 I think that in flash’s original timeline Nora was still dead, and he had already gone through flashpoint, which is why he told season 1 Barry not to save her.
So here’s the thing. Our Barry is more experienced as the FLASH, but that Barry is older and wiser as a person. Barry has put much more time into the sciences which is why he’s capable of building Gideon for example as well. So he’s much smarter, wiser, put together. He likely progressed much faster especially when you look at our Barry and he seems to use the team as a crutch very often or a safety net, which doesn’t allow him to truly improve as much. While the Barry from the Og timeline was only 4 years into being the flash, (which due to time travel, it’s probably much longer,) I would presume that he was just as skilled as our flash is today, though maybe not as fast, considering that he was neck and neck with thawne before thawne lost his speed, which was a faster version of thawne than we’ve seen otherwise. With the exception of flashpoint, but that thawne we never really saw. Also that Barry has definitely gone through flashpoint or else he wouldn’t stop s1 Barry In regards to team flash I’d assume that wells built the suit but there wasn’t much of a team, kinda like how Cisco built Wally’s suit in flashpoint but then basically told him to F off after.
Agreed. I don’t think our Barry having a head start necessarily means he’s better or faster than the OG counterpart. Not to mention, he’s been fighting Thawne much longer; in the latter’s own words, “for centuries” (could be a simile or he means across the centuries by time traveling). OG Barry is also the one who actually met Thawne in the future and even Thawne in Flashpoint says the Barry he knows isn’t that stupid (suggesting he understands time traveling much better).
I think that og barry lived his whole timeline bf reverse flashpoint no nora death nothing like that, then is erased as soon as nora is killed creating the reverse flashpoint. Then in season 1 the barry we see telling s1 flash no is s9 barry fixing allot of plot holes at bare minimum its good headcanon
@@thejedidraven738 I dont think it’s s9 Barry, it’s a different timeline’s Barry. OG timeline has never been seen outside of that. That being said, in s9 that same action occurred and in the timeline that created, which is now different from the OG timeline, s9 Barry is the Barry that the NEW Barry saw as a kid, essentially restarting the current timeline
I'm trying to wrap my head around why Flashpoint's timeline turned out so badly if that is the original timeline and Barry still becomes a hero anyway.
The flashpoint timeline wouldn’t even be possible. If Eobard Thawne was the reason that the Particle Accelerator exploded in 2013, then because Barry caught him early, he wouldn’t have killed Harrison Wells and created the Particle Accelerator early, therefore reverting everything back to the original timeline.
@@TheHaas123 OG Barry probably figured that this alternative timeline was probably the best option compared to running back in time and interacting with himself in order to save Nora.
@@TheHaas123 Because the time travel consequences. OG Flash was trying to stop Thawne from killing his younger self. The appearance of a second Flash interfering from another timeline, OG Flash knew would screw things up more than what was already happening. But then again, this video could be wrong as it's possible his mother died in the Original timeline as well considering Barry saved his child self and left instead of continuing to go after Thawn to protect his mother, cause remember Thawn was there to kill young Barry not Nora, so it's possible that her death was meant to happen anyway. It's hard to say because we really can't go off any source material considering the Flash (Barry's) origins has been rectonned so many times in the comics that any "true" origin is completely up in the air.
Every time thawne talks about his rivalry with the flash his talking about the original timeline flash, what’s his beef with the main timeline flash apart from them looking alike
@@gabrielfontanez7696 That remains to be seen. It's entirely possible the final episode may include Barry going to the future to "steal" Thawn's moment. Hell they already gave us the past Nora's death scene, So far as the timeline goes, it appears everything is now on track to where it was going anyway.
I think Cisco was there because eobard once mentioned Vibe but I don’t think Caitlin was there. In our timeline, during a deleted scene (I’m pretty sure) Caitlin got offered to go back and work at mercury labs again. She declined because she was Barry’s doctor and she felt like he was her responsibility, then the throughout the show she stayed (which would also mean there wasn’t a Ronnie. Just to put that out there) but if we’re correct about the PA exploding in 2020, she would already been working at mercury labs or at least doing something else with her life, meaning she was never there. It’s also said that she was there to help with the PA, meaning we can take this two ways, after Star Labs was built, she transferred to help out with the PA, having her life that was supposed to happen in season one, jumping starting much later on. Or she stayed at mercury labs (because throughout that time up to 2018 - 2020 there was no need for her to be around star labs) meaning, she either stayed at mercury labs, got a different job, or didn’t show up until after Barry got struck. But Cisco was always meant to work on the PA, so I think Barry & Cisco knew each other but they don’t have the exact same dynamic as they do during season 1.
Cisco wasn't originally hired by wells in return of the reverse Flash when Thawne was locked up history was starting to change Cisco was being erased but Barry and Thawne still had their speed so it was the real Wells who created the Flash.
Here is my theory -So Nora’s death is meant to happen. Once thawne creates this new timeline(TL-2)by going back to kill kid Barry it becomes the set point for everything that happens before and after it. Basically a loop. -The original timeline(TL-1)is the timeline Thawne is from. This is where Barry gets his powers in 2020 and his parents are still alive. That Flash never met Cisco or Kaitlin or end up at star labs. In 2024 The flash and reverse flash vanished(traveled back to 2000). They fight in the Allen house and 2024 Flash incapacitates Thawne and saves kid Barry. Thawne then proceeds to kill Nora and get stuck in 2000. This timeline is never seen because we start the show in the new timeline created by Thawne. -In the new timeline(the show we see) Thawne takes over Wells body and has to create the Flash early. Season 1 plays out and thawne gets erased. But in this timeline there’s 5 Barrys there that night(Kid Barry, S1 Barry, S2 Barry, S9 Barry, and S3 Barry). S9 Barry and Thawne race to the Allen house and crash through the window and fight around Nora. Season 1 Barry arrives in the bedroom and goes to watch the chaos and is about to intervene but S9 Barry stops him then saves kid Barry. Thawne then attempts to stab Nora but S2 Barry stops him. S1 Barry(TL-2) is erased. Flashpoint happens then Barry has to let Thawne go back and kill Nora. Post flashpoint thawne shows up and erases the flashpoint Barry(TL-3)and OG thawne. Once he returns barry to his new “fixed” timeline it resets the the events of that night back to pre flashpoint. Because it HAS to happen now. So now this is how it all goes down: -Thawne goes to 2016. -He takes note of everything and everyone at star labs -He is sent back to his time and puts the pieces together and learns Barry and everyone else’s identities -2024 Barry and Thawne are sent to 2000 -Barry tires to warn thawne -They race to the Allen house and fight around Nora as thawne is there to kill kid Barry -S1 Barry arrives in the bedroom and goes down stairs. -S9 Barry stops S1 Barry from intervening and then saves kid Barry. Thawne kills Nora instead and his speed runs out because the OG timeline has been shifted and now he has to become the catalyst for the flash getting speed. He remembers wells and Star labs from 2016 and decides to create the flash early. He then gets erased 15 years later. Post flashpoint thawne still exist since he no longer belongs to a specific timeline. There was never an “OG” Barry for us. The Barry we watch IS our OG. It was always s9 Barry telling s1 Barry not to save his mom. The red skies/vanishes in crisis newspaper can simply be explained as a paper from the “OG” timeline that Thawne brought it with him. It was never our Barry that was supposed to be in that fight in the future. That fight and then vanishing is just basically 2024 Barry and Thawne traveling to 2000 to have that original house fight in which Barry saves his younger self. But thawne changed all that by going back and killing Nora
This makes sense, Thawne's newpaper was from his OG Timeline, It wasn't for our Barry, it was describing the 2024 Barry. From this point on, 2024 Barry will never come to fight Eobard and stop S1 Barry saving his Mom, It will be S9 Barry who does all that.
One thing which often gets forgotten is that the future is constantly changing, and anytime we see anything from ''the future'' on this show, its from the most likely future based on the ''current'' present of the show. This is how i see it: So, when Thawne has his flashback (in around 1x17) to his fight with 2024 Flash, that is Flash from the original timeline that Thawne himself comes from and remembers. But when Barry goes back to that night in 1x23 and sees 2024 Flash (the one who stops him from saving Nora), that 2024 Flash is an older version of Season 1 Barry who remembers Nora getting killed, and all the events of Season 1 up till that point. In simple terms, he's the Barry from S5 Nora's future, who disappears during the 2024 Crisis. This Barry knows that Nora's death is a fixed point, and likely remembers causing and undoing Flashpoint. 2024 Flash in that scene is basically like Marty McFly's photograph in BTTF. He changes based on whatever the ''present'' of the show's timeline is. So, for instance, when Barry went back to that night again in 2x23, the 2024 Barry in that scene is likely someone who remembers fighting Zoom and all the other events of Season 2 (as well as making the trip back in 1x23 and not saving Nora). If Barry goes back to revisit that scene again (before 2024), the 2024 Flash will be someone who remembers the events of all previous seasons (including the fact that he created and undid Flashpoint). And so on...until the day ''our'' Barry (i.e. the version we follow in the show) becomes 2024 Barry and goes back, having the knowleged of everything he's experienced in the series. Now as far as the 2024 Flash's fate is concerned...the Season 5 retcon that Barry's 2024 disappearance is his death in COIE and he never returns confuses the issue. Because in earlier seasons, we were led to believe that Barry was fighting Thawne and then went back to that night at the Allen house. But in Season 5, we're told he disappears permanently during COIE...then COIE itself gets 'preponed' to 2019, Thawne is nowhere in sight, and Barry was supposed to die stopping the anti-matter cannon (which he ultimately doesn't). And then the universe gets rebooted and ''Flash Missing...Vanishes in Crisis'' never gets published... Finally, we come to 'our' Barry in S9 who now plays out his own version of the night. Since there's no longer a 2024 Crisis, he ends up back in 2000 under different circumstances (namely, the attack by the Negative Speed Force), and fights Thawne (presumably another time remnant). He too knows that his mom can't be saved, and he even remembers his future self gesturing to him not to interfere, so he repeats that action...closing the 'loop'. What we saw season 9 episode 10 is just the latest iteration of the events that led up to that night. There have presumably been many other versions of Barry who's played the part of Future Barry in that scene. For instance, at one point the Future Barry would have been the long-haired Barry from 3x19, who'd lost Iris to Savitar. I appreciate your theory, but there are so many plot holes and inconsistencies in it, and so I don't think it's always been Barry Season 9. If it was, then Nora would have called S1 Barry as Bart since they would have met earlier in the day. Also Joe would have recognized kid Barry growing up and looking like the man that he met in the year 2000. This would have simplified S1 but still everything would have happened the same I guess. Since the crisis happened differently than it was supposed to (Barry fought with Eobard and then vanished was the crisis as per S1) now there has to be a Flash to complete the loop and hence our S9 Barry has stepped in. Barry and Thawne also spent the whole day, they also ran down the street towards them before talking before the fight, when Barry tried to convince Thawne to leave. The entire 9x10 takes place on Earth Prime / another multiverse / another timeline (we see, for example, that post-crisis Barry already knew how to throw lightning in season 1, when he fought Hartley).
well.... original timeline barry grows up with his parents, the flash version of him is more experienced and slower. In the original timeline oliver Queen lives to be 86 years old. Our barry that we saw is from a different timeline that doesn't disappear in the crisis...
Actually we don't know if the original Barry vanishes in crisis or if that was caused by the new timeline Remember they mention his og kids being Dawn and don Allen so maybe he just grew Old
In terms of differences in the timelines, I know some of the big bads have been confirmed to be in the original timeline, which are: 1) Savitar (thawne knew about him in the 100th ep, when they go back to 2015) 2) Devoe (Thawne mentions in the thinkers origin that he was "a big fan") 3) Cicada (thawne knew about him in the 100th ep + Season 5) 4) Reverse Flash (Obviously) RF becomes a big bad because of being trapped and Zoom does because of the singularity. Both of which didn't originally happen, so we start with Devoe as the original flash's first big villain (Savitar is said to only exist due to Flashpoint, so Barry needs a villain, Devoe, to do something to make him decide to make a flashpoint. For example, kill his parents to make him become the flash) So it'd be: 1) Devoe (kills Barry's parents because he needs the flash) 2) Savitar (flashpoint happens + might've been what caused Barry to go to the future and meet RF, instead of going to 2024.) 3) Cicada (Savitar/Devoe do something and Cicada is made + Cicada isn't caught + RF is watching) 4) Reverse Flash (RF wants revenge for the stuff from the Savitar plot + finds out Barry's name during/just before crisis + races with flash through the streets + goes to kill Barry as a kid + is trapped in the past) And the Flash's suit would be styled like S4's but uses Tech from S6+'s suit, since he still have the original ear bolt things but it's in 2020-24. Also he seems to have a smoother head in the news paper, so that might be another difference. RF bases his suit off this + RF's suit looks closest to S4's. RF's S8 suit does the same with the Season 8's suit (the Flash has the yellow boots in that version + RF has red boots) Also for team Flash, in THE S1 finale, Thawne seemed to know about Jay Garrick, when his helmet came through the portal. He also lists a bunch of names when trying to figure out who Nora is, in the 100th Ep. (He mentions Nora was called Dawn, like the comics.) They all might be speedster, or they might not. And as for Barry's job... Gideon: Barry Allen. Director of Central City Police, CSI Devision. Barry also gets with Iris at some point, probably gets with Barry earlier and never dates Eddie. (in the show, Barry moving into Joe's House, after his mother's murder, might've made iris see Barry more like a sibling and not as a romantic partner, so she decided to date Eddie and not Barry as a result.) Eddie then finds someone else which leads to RF. (He's "the only thawne to be almost completely forgotten by history")
Very extensive and thought out but I don’t think Devoe was his first big bad. You’re forgetting about the rogues…I would say that Barry’s first year was fighting the rogues ie Captain Cold, Heatwave, Top, Trickster, Riddler, and Captain Boomerang. Reverse Flash introducing himself for the first time like in S2E11. The start of his journey discovering the identity of the Flash. The only person that I can see killing Iris is Reverse Flash as he’s done in the comics. That will create a timeline with Savitar Barry instantly. Savitar already existed in another timeline aka the OG timeline. Flashpoint was nothing but a gateway for Savitar to comeback. 2020 - Rogues, Arrow crossover, Reverse Flash, Savitar part 1 2021 - Dominators and Savitar part 2 2022 - Devoe and Crisis Earth X 2023 - Reverse Flash Origin, Crisis Elseworlds, Weather Witch etc…and Cicada 2024 - Reverse Flash and Crisis on Infinite Earths In 2024 Crisis if you read the original newspaper column. It says that both RF and the Flash vanish after a heated argument. That argument is the same as (S9E10) and they open a time travel portal. Where did they go? March 18, 2000 to start our timeline with December 2013 Flash. Hence you see both of them coming out of time portal breach in S1E1. Remember Eobard Thawne in Flashpoint said that his Barry from the future wasn’t that stupid with time travel. I don’t think OG Barry would create a Flashpoint but an alternate timeline with no Iris and where he becomes Savitar. That timeline was put in the back burner by the reboot of the Dec. 2013 Flash timeline. Then post Flashpoint gives that Savitar timeline birth again. If OG Barry did create a split timeline one with no Iris and the other with Iris. Then that would alert the Dominators and start that crossover. Then I can see Devoe emerging after Savitar and experimenting with Savitar’s suit to create his thinking chair. Then the satellite crashes that gives birth to Cicada and he gets away. Which brings Crisis 2024 as Barry vanishes… Barry’s mom’s death is a fixed point in every timeline. In order for Barry to create a Flashpoint he needs to prevent a fixed point. In the original timeline Barry’s mom has to be dead. Which it’s been the same timeline in a loop 🔁 with different variations. In S1 Eobard Thawne is constantly referring to the newspaper. Why? 2024 Crisis is when they both fight each other and return to March 18, 2000 to keep the fixed point intact.
@JDP Great comment, but I disagree with Nora being a fixed point - the OG Flash's mom was alive. It's only a "fixed point" to create the events our Barry likes. If she doesn't die then a different timeline begins and that is simply one wherein things are different and would lead to our Barry being erased, just like how (as far as we know as of S9E10) OG Barry was erased.
@@ShinySephiroth1 I don’t know why everyone is fixated that Barry had both parents in the original version of the timeline. If there was an episode I missed where it mentions it. Then let me know…but I believe there has always been one timeline in a loop. Key thing that Eobard Thawne says to Barry back in S1. They both been at this for a very long time. As in the war between each other. Same timeline just different variations of the the future. Such as Barry does become the Flash early, later, or not all. Eobard Thawne always says in a future but he never refers to a timeline. Same timeline in a loop until Barry became the Flash in 2013/14 and he doesn’t vanish in Crisis. Barry’s mom’s death has always been fixed. It’s the number one motivator for Barry to pursue a career in forensics. He mentions it at some point that if he never took the train to Starling City. That he wouldn’t have been at the right place and time to be struck by the lightning bolt. Flashpoint made it clear that Barry would have been too complacent if he had both parents. He never becomes the Flash because he doesn’t take that train to Starling City in the first place. It was shown that Wally West takes his place as the Flash instead.
@@chaotic2insanity Barry's reasoning that Starling City helped him become Flash is from his perspective, not knowing that Eobard was monitoring his movements and made sure to set off the accelerator at the right day/time to ensure Barry was in the vicinity. We don't know where he was or what he was doing in the timeline wherein he becomes Flash in 2020... was he even CSI in the OG timeline? We don't know. In the OG timeline he became Flash seemingly by accident. We know that killing Nora is what causes Barry to never become The Flash without Wells interfering, so fans have used the transitive property to infer OG 2024 Barry's mom was alive. The only reason Eobard interfered and and caused Barry to become Flash in 2013 is because his actions stopped the events of 2020. With that being the case, it stands to reason that at least one timeline existed wherein events did not stop Barry from becoming Flash in 2020 and, since we see in Season 1 Eobard and Barry coming from the future from a portal, it is suggested that our Barry is the first one leading to what becomes loop for Eobard. It is *possible* the Barry's mom died in the OG timeline, but there is no evidence for or against that as far as I can remember (I just recently started rewatching S1 so I'll be looking to see if anything pops up during my rewatch). Eobard getting stuck in the year 2000 shows that his actions stopped Flash from existing and deleted the Speed Force from that timeline, which is why he worked to cause the particle accelerator to come to be years before it should. In the OG timeline, Eobard wasn't involved which is why it happened in 2020 instead.
@@ShinySephiroth1 Yes, Barry was a CSI in the original timeline also as per Gideon. She calls him CSI Director Barry Allen. I think it was when they discover Eobard’s time vault. Yeah, I am aware with Eobard replacing Harrison Wells erases the 2020 Flash timeline. I been saying that for a long time and it’s not Nora’s death. Her death is more towards the outcome of crisis. The reason Eobard Thawne did everything he did was because he was getting impatient being stuck in the past. If Eobard didn’t interfere, destiny would have still put Barry at the right place. It was said that Barry is destined to be the Flash in every timeline. The forces have a way of moving people like pawns on a chess board. Negative Still force brought Legends Eobard Thawne back. Right now we have the Negative speed force moving Barry around. Barry most likely still takes that train to Starling City. He had to meet the Arrow (Oliver) some how because he was part of the crisis 2024 battle as per the newspaper 📰. I still think most of the stuff form S1-S5 played out in the 2020 timeline but slightly different minus Zoom and some multiverse stuff.
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i don't think is more experienced compared to the original timeline flash, i think original timeline flash was more experienced due to the fact he might have to learn it all by himself, and even created the gideon to better understand his powers and making a better decision, gideon might also include the power from the speedforce seeing how she knows history and how to work with barry's speed and was originally created by barry, aslo reverse flash mentioned in flashpoint that the future barry he knows is not stupid as barry, which would indicate his knowledge and experience, also future barry might have been more of scientist compared to barry and have a better understanding of the speedforce and of his power than barry.
So OG timeline would be the flash from flashpoint? Since barry did save his mother from dying. The little moment we got in season 3 of flashpoint is OG timeline flash's life?
The OG flash was erased after his mom got killed by RF. Thats why season 9 flash became the flash that fights RF that night. It because its a new timeline
Thawne travelled back in time to kill young Barry. I believe his Mom did still get killed in the OG timeline. Remember people in the future don't know that it was Thawne who killed Barry's mother, which means Thawne might not know either. And his mom's death is a fixed point in time which is why Flashpoint turned out how it did. It wouldn't be a a fixed point if it didn't happen in the OG timeline That's how I ended up interpreting everything after just binging the whole series for the 1st time
If you think about it the flash point timeline IS the original timeline. We only saw up to a certain point. Think about it. Well’s particle accelerator explosion would have happened EVEN IN FLASHPOINT because without Eobard going back in time/killing Nora Allen. Things would have ended up like flashpoint except the accelerator explosion happening later. Let’s also be honest about one thing Barry and Iris were already best friends in school before they lived together so they probably would end up together purely by design anyway.
Flashpoint isn't the OG timeline. No matter how Barry tries to change his mother's death it will never go back to the OG timeline since her death became a fixed point in time(which can't be changed withouth causing major changes to the timeline). Once something is changed by time travel it takes some time before the change cements and becomes a fixed point in time that is unable to be changed without messing up the timeline. When you alter time it can be minor. However if you alter events so great that it effects all of history it creates a fixed point. You can never go back after that. Thawne created a timeline in which Barry Allen never became the Flash. This altered time massively. As it sent a shockwave throughout time and altered everything. It just doesn't effect Barry it effected the entire timeline of events. Thawne altered history yet again when he took over as Wells. He sent anther shockwave throughout time. As he created a timeline in which Barry becomes the Flash earlier. We know enough about the OG timeline to know it is dead and gone. Barry tried to fix it but he couldn't. He is told so. There are multiple timeline rewrites leading up to crisis. There are timeline rewrites post crisis. The reality is Barry tried and failed. And flashpoint started from the principle that Nora was saved from dying by her own son so no, it wasn't the original timeline. Original timeline never had Eobard Thawne trapped and alive or Barry knowing about an alternate timeline. Besides, Flashpoint never had Barry get struck by lightning thus the explanation of him losing his powers throughout. Any of the changes Barry made to the timeline can have unpredictable ripple effects, which is why you can never restore an original timeline. In Flashpoint, the Allen family was attacked one night by the Reverse Flash and were saved by a mysterious man in a red suit, which marks a major difference from the 'original' timeline. That alone could have huge, potentially unseen consequences on the trajectory of their lives and the people around them. Plus, from the info we know about the pre-RF timeline, we know some things are different. For one, Wally is the Flash, not Barry, and as the timeline 'corrects' itself, Barry starts to lose his powers. Also, Wally's already the Flash as of 2016, when in pre-RF timeline, there were no metahumans before 2020. In short, while Barry can restore certain elements of a previous timeline (saving his mother, for example), his interference alone means that things will never be exactly as they once were, just because he (the adult one, not child one) was present in the new timeline and he wasn't in the old one.
@@ЖекаКрутой-й8я I’m looking at it from Thawn’s perspective. Thawn had to come from somewhere. In HIS original timeline The flash exists and Harrison wells was alive, that’s the first thing. That means HE causes the accelerator to explode by an actual accident months later than what Thawn did. That’s what he says in the show. Now, if thawn never did that then Barry may OR may not have gotten powers. my theory is of course speculation but, I think that if thawn left the timeline alone two things COULD have happened. 1. Barry could get powers via AN ACTUAL ACCIDENT! 2. Barry wouldn’t. Now seeing as how that Thawn comes from a time that Barry has powers and thawn just saves Nora, who’s to say that it wasn’t the original season 1 timeline before thawn left in the first place, all of his history books become inconsistent as the series goes on. For example, Oliver Queen is said to live to be 86 years old but, dies and becomes the Spector. Thawn’s ENTIRE timeline was rewritten by this point. Now, lets address why he would still be alive after Eddie shot himself, aside from being the avatar and being resurrected multiple times, there is also the speed force. They even state that time remnants can exist due to it. Harry Wells explains this when past Thawn learns The Flash’s Identity and gets the inspiration to steal Well’s face. Ergo, the Flashpoint timeline can be the timeline Thawn was originally supposed to come from. He Changed it because he meddled and fucked it up creating the flash in the new timeline we see at the start of season 1.
@@biggy4427 I know everything you said. In Season 3, we were made to make it clear that you can't fully restore the timeline. Thawn, by killing Nora for the very first time, created a fixed point, the violation of which leads to the creation of another timeline.
I have another theory what if we are watching the original timeline because thawne says is season one when Barry asks why do you hate me or something of the sort and thawne say’s because I hate you not you now future you we become rivals reverses of one another or something of the sort and Barry responds in the future and thawne says in a future yes so I believe it’s possible we are currently watching the original timeline unfold that’s just my opinion though please don’t attack me in the comments
I would say that yes Thawn changed the timeline slightly, but everything we've seen is basically going as the original timeline went. I don't believe Team Flash was a thing in the original but Thawn made it happen. However, all the main events are what was in the original timeline. And now that we've gotten the full circle scene it's possible the final episodes may include Barry going to the future to "steal" Thawn's moment...which honestly I think would make a great Series Finale where it ends just showing Thawn getting angry and vowing to get revenge on Barry.
i guess he got into the speedforce jail instead of thawne cuz thawne make so much changes in the past it made reverse flashpoint and had no speed force left means they didn't put him in it so they put barry in it. Then barry's memory changes cuz the past changed and his memory messed up into depression became savitar. Then barry created flash point caused the future flash out of the prison. Means savitar borns
actually Barry's mom dying is a fixed point meaning she always has to die period fixed points can be altered but not changed hence the episode where Barry first travels back in time to stop Weather Wizard eabord tells him u can't change timeline it'll fix itself always.....hence why Barry took his younger self away and allowed reverse flash to kill his mom its an event that always happens.
@@ЖекаКрутой-й8я yes and most likely one of his parents passed they never say that he had both parents yet we do know they stated multiple times that her death is a fixed point.
7:38 I don’t think we should see our Barry do this, Thawne is Erased so the only way we should see this is if they Showed these Events transpire in the Original Timeline. Same thing goes for all the People that want to see a Full Circle ending where Barry and Thawne go back to the Night that started it all for the First time. Thing is that’s not our Barry, Again the only way we see the events that Led to that Night is through the Original Timeline.
You are referring to the suit he wore in the S1 Finale right? (The one who stopped our Barry from preventing his Mom being killed) well, they didn't have the S9 suit yet so that's why you didn't see a "future flash", also the reason they made him phase. (Which they didn't in s9, proving that it was for the audience. (Hope that made sense haha)
A common faulty logic applied here is that Barry didn't get his powers until later in the "original" timeline. Except this is based on the original Harrison Wells talking about how long it would take him and his wife to build Star Labs. That does not necessarily correlate to when Barry originally got his powers. Eobard was trying to fix a fundamental aspect his changes from time travel caused - specifically, assuring Barry became the Flash. There were moments, specifically in season 1 when Wells/Thawne was manipulating things meticulously to allow himself to get home, where he was monitoring the timeline to best approximate the version of history he needed to restore his speed. one of these things was the newspaper for Crisis, whichw as originally 2024. In another season 1 episode, Barry lost his speed and Gideon's projections was that this had becoming a solidified event with low chances of Barry getting his speed back. It would make no sense for Eobard, who already waited over a decade, to grant Barry his powers years earlier than he was originally meant to get them. Then on top of all of that, in season 2 with the very first introduction of time remnants (and honestly the only time that's made sense) Eobard's first encounter with the Flash, having traveled back in time. That version of Eobard was said to only exist because it was an event that needed to exist to prevent a paradox. That unequivocally establishes that Barry had to already be a flash by that point in time. Whether or not there ever actually was an "original" Barry from a timeline that's been completely erased, or if Eobard effectively created the timeline his Barry came from to start with is up for debate. But that first point is just wrong. However it happened, Barry always got his powers at the same time.
Part of thawnes Plan and reason for creating the partical accelerator is so Barry gets his powers earlier and so he has to spend less Time stuck in this time period
@@captainbeastwinger4940 No, they established throughout the first season that Thawne was working to ensure history followed a very specific path in order of everything to line up correctly. When Barry lost his powers in season 1 and was no longer mentioned in the paper related to Crisis, he was very concerned.
Ok.. I will watch the final season IF and only IF I hear that they have OG timeline Barry in it. Like they show the original timeline and how it is, and you know not add typical CW crap to make it cheesy. Like maybe have it parallel or something like we see what is going on in both timelines then we see for the final episodes it lead to Barry going back in time to save his mother and everything resets to how it would’ve been if Barry’s mom had not died.
I am sending direct tomcavanagh scarletspeedster one next barry's weaknesses is first west barry's wife and barry 's mother next take barry life away 10000% way organic speed alls tomcavanagh reverse flash still constant strength next i am sending endrick wallace S 9 could you explain your situation further please
One thing we never covered is what do we think Barry would do career wise in the og timeline? He became a CSI originally to figure out his mother’s death so if she’s not dead I’m not sure what he’d do.
Go back to the episode when you see season 9 Barry enter to stop season one Barry you can see the red and yellow blurs of OG timeline Barry and Thawne reflecting off season 9 Barry, in return of reverse Flash when Barry locked Thawne up the only thing changing was Cisco was being erased while Thawne and Barry still had their speed so Thawne didn't matter in creation of Particle Accelerator.
Many people have missed something back in season 1 , something that Martin stein explain to us in 1x23 of the flash, this made me think that an alternate timeline before the show exist : th-cam.com/video/ySQe81WFOUk/w-d-xo.html
The truth is there is no “original timeline flash” everything that happened to barry from thawne killing his mother to him becoming the flash was always going to happen that’s the big twist about the situation is Barry’s mother was always going to die at the hands of reverse flash as it is a “fixed point” that Barry Allen himself “from s9” protects by choosing to save his younger self rather than his mother, the “original timeline Barry” everyone is talking about is just future flash, with all the messes that’s been created in the arrowverse timeline from crisis to the legends changing history it all connects in all time
If I rewatch the arrow-verse shows I would only going to stop at Arrow season 8 episode 10 “Fallout” now, instead of continuing The Flash because the ending they got for us is so terrible. I’ve been waiting for another full circle not just the Nora Allen’s death scene again but showing how Barry Allen got his speed. That’s what Oliver Queen said to Barry “The lightning chose you”. And when I heard him said that I thought Barry would choose his past self to become the Flash so that the full circle would continue again.
@@kras9962 because for original timeline Barry is from the future and if that time gets erased it means the whole series is worthless for Barry it’s a fixed point that future Barry saved him and also his timeline just like thawnes Beginns in the future
@@doriwalker3202 Ultimately irrelevant, Eobard specifically said that the Particle Accelerator exploded in 2020, which is what led to the creation of The Flash
OG Barry became flash in 2020 Barry Season 1 to 9 became flash in 2013 S1E23 Barry ask thawne why he killed his mother thawne says I hate you, not the current you but you years from now. Barry says in the future. Thawne says in a future which in my mind indicates two completely different timelines in the recent episode just laziness every flash back of that night Barry some how follows thawne back through the speedforce but now Barry’s transported to the day he’s mother dies Terrible we’ll never know what happened to the OG timeline
Henry and Nora are still alive in the original timeline. Rev Flash went back in time and killed Nora which reset the timeline and changed it to the CW one.
The thing that I realized after finishing the entire series is that the entire show was one big reverse flashpoint from the very first episode reverse flash changed the timeline completely from the original timeline thus creating a reverse flashpoint
I think the original Flash is working alone. Maybe He got help with his suit or somehing from the og SL Team.
personally, I think that it would've been cooler if barry worked solo & made his suit by himself like in the comics
@@darkshadowx9543 I have said in my Original Timeline Flash videos that he had a Team Flash but went solo and only teams up with them or even the Justice League if need be.
Though I absolutely wouldn't mind if Barry was solo from the beginning then created The Justice League.
Yeah. OG Flash probably ran solo but as shown in flashpoint the way Kid Flash went to cisco when he needed certain skills is probably how it went with the OG flash. Safe to say, in the OG timeline Cisco made Barry his suit because it's very similar to suits in seasons 1-4.
Operated solo with Gideon as his piggy back. Similar to Iron Man with Jarvis.
There is no og time line barry mother was always suppose to die that night. Reverse flash wanted him to save his mom so he can never become to.flash and he will be protected in the speed force while he saves his mom.
The whole new timeline we got for the show could also explain why Green Arrow is more dark and broody compared to the comic character who is more happy and light hearted. One big change in the time stream affects everything as seem when Barry tried to change his past and then repair it and the members of Team Flash lives changed and when Diggle's kid changed genders. It's entirely possible that Oliver was changed to be what we got for Arrow which was basically Batman.
I always liked to think that Og Barry was comic Barry or the closest thing to comic Barry because of thawn mentioning dawn Allen who’s from the comics and was never seen in the show and that thawn was from the Og timeline
doesnt the fact that Reverse flash going back in time to make a really big temporal change that solidifies instantly , makes the timeline we know as the Reverse Flashpoint ? look at it this way , when Barry created flashpoint , it was because he changed a crucial moment in his life , which is saving his mom , which led to his father not going to jail and much more , but this very reason leads to his eventual erasing if you remember , so by having Nora allen was killed by Reverse flash , it would make the original timeline as the Reverse flashpoint , but then why did reverse flash did not get erased ? it is because if he does not exist , he never creates the particle accelerator , he does not admire flash , he does not get humiliated by the flash , he never takes the flash as his greatest foe , which leads to him never killing Nora allen , which means that the flash wont be the flash!!! , also about the original timeline flash , ig his timeline was erased as soon as nora allen died because in his timeline she never dies , which meant that he was never raised by joe and iris , hence I feel that the original timeline of the flash was erased as soon as nora died , it would have been erased nevertheless if reverse flash killed young barry , now here is the fun part , I just told that his timeline was erased , which means the original timeline was erased , but if that is erased , then no other timeline would exist , making it as the Prime timeline , hence I can say (this is trippy) but the Prime timeline itself became simultaneous with all the other possible timelines (that is , existing at every moment at the same time) , hence making this timeline untouchable , un erasable , and un alterable , solidifying the so called "proper events" , which eventually gets altered due to temporal changes (which is not related to the changes in Prime timeline) !!! (good luck reading and understanding that ;))
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What, i dont understand but i do
Ohhh ok i get it
In the original timeline Nora Allen still dies. Reverse Flash back in S1 says that her death was destined. The only difference between the timelines is Eobard Thawne creates the Flash in 2013. The other timeline is the original Harrison Wells in 2020. The original timeline was erased when Eobard Thawne becomes Harrison Wells.
@@chaotic2insanity nope eobard killing nora was a change in timeline
But it was set in stone becoming an event set in stone which is why Barry creating flashpoint fucks up the timeline instead of just fixing it
I always had this idea that once original Barry stopped RV flash from killing younger him he knew that he would be erased so he ran into the speed force and stayed there.
yeah that would make sense he would stay in the speedforce he wouldn't disappear as all it would guard him from the timeline changes
or maybe he thought that Thawne wouldn't kill Nora so he tried to run back to the future but was erased from excistense during the process. But the first part kinda does not make sense why would he leave his perants with an evil speedster
@@DONER_KEBAB_1234 I think that in flash’s original timeline Nora was still dead, and he had already gone through flashpoint, which is why he told season 1 Barry not to save her.
@@TheHaas123 good point
@@TheHaas123 fr
6:28 he knew that it LAUNCHED successfully he never said it originally exploded.
I reckon the accelerator was successful but emitted energy around the city that created some metas - it influenced the storm that created The Flash
So here’s the thing. Our Barry is more experienced as the FLASH, but that Barry is older and wiser as a person. Barry has put much more time into the sciences which is why he’s capable of building Gideon for example as well. So he’s much smarter, wiser, put together. He likely progressed much faster especially when you look at our Barry and he seems to use the team as a crutch very often or a safety net, which doesn’t allow him to truly improve as much. While the Barry from the Og timeline was only 4 years into being the flash, (which due to time travel, it’s probably much longer,) I would presume that he was just as skilled as our flash is today, though maybe not as fast, considering that he was neck and neck with thawne before thawne lost his speed, which was a faster version of thawne than we’ve seen otherwise. With the exception of flashpoint, but that thawne we never really saw.
Also that Barry has definitely gone through flashpoint or else he wouldn’t stop s1 Barry
In regards to team flash I’d assume that wells built the suit but there wasn’t much of a team, kinda like how Cisco built Wally’s suit in flashpoint but then basically told him to F off after.
Agreed. I don’t think our Barry having a head start necessarily means he’s better or faster than the OG counterpart. Not to mention, he’s been fighting Thawne much longer; in the latter’s own words, “for centuries” (could be a simile or he means across the centuries by time traveling). OG Barry is also the one who actually met Thawne in the future and even Thawne in Flashpoint says the Barry he knows isn’t that stupid (suggesting he understands time traveling much better).
I think that og barry lived his whole timeline bf reverse flashpoint no nora death nothing like that, then is erased as soon as nora is killed creating the reverse flashpoint. Then in season 1 the barry we see telling s1 flash no is s9 barry fixing allot of plot holes at bare minimum its good headcanon
@@thejedidraven738 I dont think it’s s9 Barry, it’s a different timeline’s Barry. OG timeline has never been seen outside of that. That being said, in s9 that same action occurred and in the timeline that created, which is now different from the OG timeline, s9 Barry is the Barry that the NEW Barry saw as a kid, essentially restarting the current timeline
@@TheHaas123 thats what im saying i think
I'm trying to wrap my head around why Flashpoint's timeline turned out so badly if that is the original timeline and Barry still becomes a hero anyway.
The flashpoint timeline wouldn’t even be possible. If Eobard Thawne was the reason that the Particle Accelerator exploded in 2013, then because Barry caught him early, he wouldn’t have killed Harrison Wells and created the Particle Accelerator early, therefore reverting everything back to the original timeline.
The whole season should’ve been about Flashpoint. And it sucked cause it is a CW show 😂
I don’t think that was the OG. For one, I don’t believe Nora was supposed to live. Why would OG Barry stop s1 Barry from saving her?
@@TheHaas123 OG Barry probably figured that this alternative timeline was probably the best option compared to running back in time and interacting with himself in order to save Nora.
@@TheHaas123 Because the time travel consequences. OG Flash was trying to stop Thawne from killing his younger self. The appearance of a second Flash interfering from another timeline, OG Flash knew would screw things up more than what was already happening. But then again, this video could be wrong as it's possible his mother died in the Original timeline as well considering Barry saved his child self and left instead of continuing to go after Thawn to protect his mother, cause remember Thawn was there to kill young Barry not Nora, so it's possible that her death was meant to happen anyway. It's hard to say because we really can't go off any source material considering the Flash (Barry's) origins has been rectonned so many times in the comics that any "true" origin is completely up in the air.
Every time thawne talks about his rivalry with the flash his talking about the original timeline flash, what’s his beef with the main timeline flash apart from them looking alike
They are technically the same person
@@tripp9552 completely different lives
@@tripp9552eh not really they share the same name and same body but lived two completely different lives
@@gabrielfontanez7696 That remains to be seen. It's entirely possible the final episode may include Barry going to the future to "steal" Thawn's moment. Hell they already gave us the past Nora's death scene, So far as the timeline goes, it appears everything is now on track to where it was going anyway.
I think Cisco was there because eobard once mentioned Vibe but I don’t think Caitlin was there. In our timeline, during a deleted scene (I’m pretty sure) Caitlin got offered to go back and work at mercury labs again. She declined because she was Barry’s doctor and she felt like he was her responsibility, then the throughout the show she stayed (which would also mean there wasn’t a Ronnie. Just to put that out there) but if we’re correct about the PA exploding in 2020, she would already been working at mercury labs or at least doing something else with her life, meaning she was never there. It’s also said that she was there to help with the PA, meaning we can take this two ways, after Star Labs was built, she transferred to help out with the PA, having her life that was supposed to happen in season one, jumping starting much later on. Or she stayed at mercury labs (because throughout that time up to 2018 - 2020 there was no need for her to be around star labs) meaning, she either stayed at mercury labs, got a different job, or didn’t show up until after Barry got struck. But Cisco was always meant to work on the PA, so I think Barry & Cisco knew each other but they don’t have the exact same dynamic as they do during season 1.
Cisco wasn't originally hired by wells in return of the reverse Flash when Thawne was locked up history was starting to change Cisco was being erased but Barry and Thawne still had their speed so it was the real Wells who created the Flash.
Here is my theory
-So Nora’s death is meant to happen. Once thawne creates this new timeline(TL-2)by going back to kill kid Barry it becomes the set point for everything that happens before and after it. Basically a loop.
-The original timeline(TL-1)is the timeline Thawne is from. This is where Barry gets his powers in 2020 and his parents are still alive. That Flash never met Cisco or Kaitlin or end up at star labs. In 2024 The flash and reverse flash vanished(traveled back to 2000). They fight in the Allen house and 2024 Flash incapacitates Thawne and saves kid Barry. Thawne then proceeds to kill Nora and get stuck in 2000. This timeline is never seen because we start the show in the new timeline created by Thawne.
-In the new timeline(the show we see) Thawne takes over Wells body and has to create the Flash early. Season 1 plays out and thawne gets erased. But in this timeline there’s 5 Barrys there that night(Kid Barry, S1 Barry, S2 Barry, S9 Barry, and S3 Barry). S9 Barry and Thawne race to the Allen house and crash through the window and fight around Nora.
Season 1 Barry arrives in the bedroom and goes to watch the chaos and is about to intervene but S9 Barry stops him then saves kid Barry. Thawne then attempts to stab Nora but S2 Barry stops him. S1 Barry(TL-2) is erased. Flashpoint happens then Barry has to let Thawne go back and kill Nora. Post flashpoint thawne shows up and erases the flashpoint Barry(TL-3)and OG thawne. Once he returns barry to his new “fixed” timeline it resets the the events of that night back to pre flashpoint. Because it HAS to happen now.
So now this is how it all goes down:
-Thawne goes to 2016.
-He takes note of everything and everyone at star labs
-He is sent back to his time and puts the pieces together and learns Barry and everyone else’s identities
-2024 Barry and Thawne are sent to 2000
-Barry tires to warn thawne
-They race to the Allen house and fight around Nora as thawne is there to kill kid Barry
-S1 Barry arrives in the bedroom and goes down stairs.
-S9 Barry stops S1 Barry from intervening and then saves kid Barry. Thawne kills Nora instead and his speed runs out because the OG timeline has been shifted and now he has to become the catalyst for the flash getting speed. He remembers wells and Star labs from 2016 and decides to create the flash early. He then gets erased 15 years later. Post flashpoint thawne still exist since he no longer belongs to a specific timeline.
There was never an “OG” Barry for us. The Barry we watch IS our OG. It was always s9 Barry telling s1 Barry not to save his mom. The red skies/vanishes in crisis newspaper can simply be explained as a paper from the “OG” timeline that Thawne brought it with him. It was never our Barry that was supposed to be in that fight in the future. That fight and then vanishing is just basically 2024 Barry and Thawne traveling to 2000 to have that original house fight in which Barry saves his younger self. But thawne changed all that by going back and killing Nora
Wow this is cool, this might be my new head canon
OG flash’s timeline wa erased after nora died. Thats why s9 flash became the flash that fights rf that night
@@kras9962 Yeah because the timeline fixed itself to always have Barry and Thawne fight that night no matter what
This makes sense, Thawne's newpaper was from his OG Timeline, It wasn't for our Barry, it was describing the 2024 Barry. From this point on, 2024 Barry will never come to fight Eobard and stop S1 Barry saving his Mom, It will be S9 Barry who does all that.
One thing which often gets forgotten is that the future is constantly changing, and anytime we see anything from ''the future'' on this show, its from the most likely future based on the ''current'' present of the show.
This is how i see it:
So, when Thawne has his flashback (in around 1x17) to his fight with 2024 Flash, that is Flash from the original timeline that Thawne himself comes from and remembers. But when Barry goes back to that night in 1x23 and sees 2024 Flash (the one who stops him from saving Nora), that 2024 Flash is an older version of Season 1 Barry who remembers Nora getting killed, and all the events of Season 1 up till that point.
In simple terms, he's the Barry from S5 Nora's future, who disappears during the 2024 Crisis. This Barry knows that Nora's death is a fixed point, and likely remembers causing and undoing Flashpoint.
2024 Flash in that scene is basically like Marty McFly's photograph in BTTF. He changes based on whatever the ''present'' of the show's timeline is. So, for instance, when Barry went back to that night again in 2x23, the 2024 Barry in that scene is likely someone who remembers fighting Zoom and all the other events of Season 2 (as well as making the trip back in 1x23 and not saving Nora). If Barry goes back to revisit that scene again (before 2024), the 2024 Flash will be someone who remembers the events of all previous seasons (including the fact that he created and undid Flashpoint). And so on...until the day ''our'' Barry (i.e. the version we follow in the show) becomes 2024 Barry and goes back, having the knowleged of everything he's experienced in the series.
Now as far as the 2024 Flash's fate is concerned...the Season 5 retcon that Barry's 2024 disappearance is his death in COIE and he never returns confuses the issue. Because in earlier seasons, we were led to believe that Barry was fighting Thawne and then went back to that night at the Allen house. But in Season 5, we're told he disappears permanently during COIE...then COIE itself gets 'preponed' to 2019, Thawne is nowhere in sight, and Barry was supposed to die stopping the anti-matter cannon (which he ultimately doesn't). And then the universe gets rebooted and ''Flash Missing...Vanishes in Crisis'' never gets published...
Finally, we come to 'our' Barry in S9 who now plays out his own version of the night. Since there's no longer a 2024 Crisis, he ends up back in 2000 under different circumstances (namely, the attack by the Negative Speed Force), and fights Thawne (presumably another time remnant). He too knows that his mom can't be saved, and he even remembers his future self gesturing to him not to interfere, so he repeats that action...closing the 'loop'. What we saw season 9 episode 10 is just the latest iteration of the events that led up to that night.
There have presumably been many other versions of Barry who's played the part of Future Barry in that scene. For instance, at one point the Future Barry would have been the long-haired Barry from 3x19, who'd lost Iris to Savitar.
I appreciate your theory, but there are so many plot holes and inconsistencies in it, and so I don't think it's always been Barry Season 9. If it was, then Nora would have called S1 Barry as Bart since they would have met earlier in the day. Also Joe would have recognized kid Barry growing up and looking like the man that he met in the year 2000. This would have simplified S1 but still everything would have happened the same I guess. Since the crisis happened differently than it was supposed to (Barry fought with Eobard and then vanished was the crisis as per S1) now there has to be a Flash to complete the loop and hence our S9 Barry has stepped in. Barry and Thawne also spent the whole day, they also ran down the street towards them before talking before the fight, when Barry tried to convince Thawne to leave. The entire 9x10 takes place on Earth Prime / another multiverse / another timeline (we see, for example, that post-crisis Barry already knew how to throw lightning in season 1, when he fought Hartley).
well.... original timeline barry grows up with his parents, the flash version of him is more experienced and slower. In the original timeline oliver Queen lives to be 86 years old. Our barry that we saw is from a different timeline that doesn't disappear in the crisis...
Actually we don't know if the original Barry vanishes in crisis or if that was caused by the new timeline
Remember they mention his og kids being Dawn and don Allen so maybe he just grew Old
@@captainbeastwinger4940 I think the original timeline was either erased when rf killed Barry’s mom OR it was erased during crisis
@@coolcoll1262his timeremant was stuck in that fixed point in time with him getting his younger self in the house.
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is the original timeline flash gonna play a role in the final season?
no because the original timeline was erased when reverse flash killed Barry's mum btw u have the same first and surname as juice wrld
no because the og timline was erased when rf killed barrys mum
In terms of differences in the timelines,
I know some of the big bads have been confirmed to be in the original timeline, which are:
1) Savitar (thawne knew about him in the 100th ep, when they go back to 2015)
2) Devoe (Thawne mentions in the thinkers origin that he was "a big fan")
3) Cicada (thawne knew about him in the 100th ep + Season 5)
4) Reverse Flash (Obviously)
RF becomes a big bad because of being trapped and Zoom does because of the singularity. Both of which didn't originally happen, so we start with Devoe as the original flash's first big villain (Savitar is said to only exist due to Flashpoint, so Barry needs a villain, Devoe, to do something to make him decide to make a flashpoint. For example, kill his parents to make him become the flash)
So it'd be:
1) Devoe (kills Barry's parents because he needs the flash)
2) Savitar (flashpoint happens + might've been what caused Barry to go to the future and meet RF, instead of going to 2024.)
3) Cicada (Savitar/Devoe do something and Cicada is made + Cicada isn't caught + RF is watching)
4) Reverse Flash (RF wants revenge for the stuff from the Savitar plot + finds out Barry's name during/just before crisis + races with flash through the streets + goes to kill Barry as a kid + is trapped in the past)
And the Flash's suit would be styled like S4's but uses Tech from S6+'s suit, since he still have the original ear bolt things but it's in 2020-24. Also he seems to have a smoother head in the news paper, so that might be another difference.
RF bases his suit off this + RF's suit looks closest to S4's. RF's S8 suit does the same with the Season 8's suit (the Flash has the yellow boots in that version + RF has red boots)
Also for team Flash, in THE S1 finale, Thawne seemed to know about Jay Garrick, when his helmet came through the portal. He also lists a bunch of names when trying to figure out who Nora is, in the 100th Ep. (He mentions Nora was called Dawn, like the comics.) They all might be speedster, or they might not.
And as for Barry's job...
Gideon: Barry Allen. Director of Central City Police, CSI Devision.
Barry also gets with Iris at some point, probably gets with Barry earlier and never dates Eddie. (in the show, Barry moving into Joe's House, after his mother's murder, might've made iris see Barry more like a sibling and not as a romantic partner, so she decided to date Eddie and not Barry as a result.)
Eddie then finds someone else which leads to RF. (He's "the only thawne to be almost completely forgotten by history")
Very extensive and thought out but I don’t think Devoe was his first big bad. You’re forgetting about the rogues…I would say that Barry’s first year was fighting the rogues ie Captain Cold, Heatwave, Top, Trickster, Riddler, and Captain Boomerang. Reverse Flash introducing himself for the first time like in S2E11. The start of his journey discovering the identity of the Flash. The only person that I can see killing Iris is Reverse Flash as he’s done in the comics. That will create a timeline with Savitar Barry instantly. Savitar already existed in another timeline aka the OG timeline. Flashpoint was nothing but a gateway for Savitar to comeback.
2020 - Rogues, Arrow crossover, Reverse Flash, Savitar part 1
2021 - Dominators and Savitar part 2
2022 - Devoe and Crisis Earth X
2023 - Reverse Flash Origin, Crisis Elseworlds, Weather Witch etc…and Cicada
2024 - Reverse Flash and Crisis on Infinite Earths
In 2024 Crisis if you read the original newspaper column. It says that both RF and the Flash vanish after a heated argument. That argument is the same as (S9E10) and they open a time travel portal. Where did they go? March 18, 2000 to start our timeline with December 2013 Flash. Hence you see both of them coming out of time portal breach in S1E1.
Remember Eobard Thawne in Flashpoint said that his Barry from the future wasn’t that stupid with time travel. I don’t think OG Barry would create a Flashpoint but an alternate timeline with no Iris and where he becomes Savitar. That timeline was put in the back burner by the reboot of the Dec. 2013 Flash timeline. Then post Flashpoint gives that Savitar timeline birth again. If OG Barry did create a split timeline one with no Iris and the other with Iris. Then that would alert the Dominators and start that crossover. Then I can see Devoe emerging after Savitar and experimenting with Savitar’s suit to create his thinking chair. Then the satellite crashes that gives birth to Cicada and he gets away. Which brings Crisis 2024 as Barry vanishes…
Barry’s mom’s death is a fixed point in every timeline. In order for Barry to create a Flashpoint he needs to prevent a fixed point. In the original timeline Barry’s mom has to be dead. Which it’s been the same timeline in a loop 🔁 with different variations. In S1 Eobard Thawne is constantly referring to the newspaper. Why? 2024 Crisis is when they both fight each other and return to March 18, 2000 to keep the fixed point intact.
@JDP Great comment, but I disagree with Nora being a fixed point - the OG Flash's mom was alive. It's only a "fixed point" to create the events our Barry likes. If she doesn't die then a different timeline begins and that is simply one wherein things are different and would lead to our Barry being erased, just like how (as far as we know as of S9E10) OG Barry was erased.
@@ShinySephiroth1 I don’t know why everyone is fixated that Barry had both parents in the original version of the timeline. If there was an episode I missed where it mentions it. Then let me know…but I believe there has always been one timeline in a loop. Key thing that Eobard Thawne says to Barry back in S1. They both been at this for a very long time. As in the war between each other. Same timeline just different variations of the the future. Such as Barry does become the Flash early, later, or not all. Eobard Thawne always says in a future but he never refers to a timeline. Same timeline in a loop until Barry became the Flash in 2013/14 and he doesn’t vanish in Crisis. Barry’s mom’s death has always been fixed. It’s the number one motivator for Barry to pursue a career in forensics. He mentions it at some point that if he never took the train to Starling City. That he wouldn’t have been at the right place and time to be struck by the lightning bolt. Flashpoint made it clear that Barry would have been too complacent if he had both parents. He never becomes the Flash because he doesn’t take that train to Starling City in the first place. It was shown that Wally West takes his place as the Flash instead.
@@chaotic2insanity Barry's reasoning that Starling City helped him become Flash is from his perspective, not knowing that Eobard was monitoring his movements and made sure to set off the accelerator at the right day/time to ensure Barry was in the vicinity. We don't know where he was or what he was doing in the timeline wherein he becomes Flash in 2020... was he even CSI in the OG timeline? We don't know. In the OG timeline he became Flash seemingly by accident. We know that killing Nora is what causes Barry to never become The Flash without Wells interfering, so fans have used the transitive property to infer OG 2024 Barry's mom was alive. The only reason Eobard interfered and and caused Barry to become Flash in 2013 is because his actions stopped the events of 2020. With that being the case, it stands to reason that at least one timeline existed wherein events did not stop Barry from becoming Flash in 2020 and, since we see in Season 1 Eobard and Barry coming from the future from a portal, it is suggested that our Barry is the first one leading to what becomes loop for Eobard. It is *possible* the Barry's mom died in the OG timeline, but there is no evidence for or against that as far as I can remember (I just recently started rewatching S1 so I'll be looking to see if anything pops up during my rewatch). Eobard getting stuck in the year 2000 shows that his actions stopped Flash from existing and deleted the Speed Force from that timeline, which is why he worked to cause the particle accelerator to come to be years before it should. In the OG timeline, Eobard wasn't involved which is why it happened in 2020 instead.
@@ShinySephiroth1 Yes, Barry was a CSI in the original timeline also as per Gideon. She calls him CSI Director Barry Allen. I think it was when they discover Eobard’s time vault. Yeah, I am aware with Eobard replacing Harrison Wells erases the 2020 Flash timeline. I been saying that for a long time and it’s not Nora’s death. Her death is more towards the outcome of crisis. The reason Eobard Thawne did everything he did was because he was getting impatient being stuck in the past. If Eobard didn’t interfere, destiny would have still put Barry at the right place. It was said that Barry is destined to be the Flash in every timeline. The forces have a way of moving people like pawns on a chess board. Negative Still force brought Legends Eobard Thawne back. Right now we have the Negative speed force moving Barry around. Barry most likely still takes that train to Starling City. He had to meet the Arrow (Oliver) some how because he was part of the crisis 2024 battle as per the newspaper 📰. I still think most of the stuff form S1-S5 played out in the 2020 timeline but slightly different minus Zoom and some multiverse stuff.
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i don't think is more experienced compared to the original timeline flash, i think original timeline flash was more experienced due to the fact he might have to learn it all by himself, and even created the gideon to better understand his powers and making a better decision, gideon might also include the power from the speedforce seeing how she knows history and how to work with barry's speed and was originally created by barry, aslo reverse flash mentioned in flashpoint that the future barry he knows is not stupid as barry, which would indicate his knowledge and experience, also future barry might have been more of scientist compared to barry and have a better understanding of the speedforce and of his power than barry.
If that’s the case Eddie thawn discovered time travel first than rest the original timeline
0:04 THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST SAW IN 9X10 BRO IS FROM THE FUTURE
This means that what we already witnessed Is that the timeline Allen we see in the show is actually Eobard Wells's Flashpoint
You forgot that in the original timeline Barry had dawn and don allen as his kids
So OG timeline would be the flash from flashpoint? Since barry did save his mother from dying. The little moment we got in season 3 of flashpoint is OG timeline flash's life?
The OG flash was erased after his mom got killed by RF. Thats why season 9 flash became the flash that fights RF that night. It because its a new timeline
Thawne travelled back in time to kill young Barry. I believe his Mom did still get killed in the OG timeline. Remember people in the future don't know that it was Thawne who killed Barry's mother, which means Thawne might not know either. And his mom's death is a fixed point in time which is why Flashpoint turned out how it did. It wouldn't be a a fixed point if it didn't happen in the OG timeline
That's how I ended up interpreting everything after just binging the whole series for the 1st time
If you think about it the flash point timeline IS the original timeline. We only saw up to a certain point. Think about it. Well’s particle accelerator explosion would have happened EVEN IN FLASHPOINT because without
Eobard going back in time/killing Nora Allen. Things would have ended up like flashpoint except the accelerator explosion happening later. Let’s also be honest about one thing Barry and Iris were already best friends in school before they lived together so they probably would end up together purely by design anyway.
Flashpoint isn't the OG timeline. No matter how Barry tries to change his mother's death it will never go back to the OG timeline since her death became a fixed point in time(which can't be changed withouth causing major changes to the timeline).
Once something is changed by time travel it takes some time before the change cements and becomes a fixed point in time that is unable to be changed without messing up the timeline.
When you alter time it can be minor. However if you alter events so great that it effects all of history it creates a fixed point. You can never go back after that. Thawne created a timeline in which Barry Allen never became the Flash. This altered time massively. As it sent a shockwave throughout time and altered everything. It just doesn't effect Barry it effected the entire timeline of events. Thawne altered history yet again when he took over as Wells. He sent anther shockwave throughout time. As he created a timeline in which Barry becomes the Flash earlier.
We know enough about the OG timeline to know it is dead and gone. Barry tried to fix it but he couldn't. He is told so. There are multiple timeline rewrites leading up to crisis. There are timeline rewrites post crisis. The reality is Barry tried and failed.
And flashpoint started from the principle that Nora was saved from dying by her own son so no, it wasn't the original timeline.
Original timeline never had Eobard Thawne trapped and alive or Barry knowing about an alternate timeline. Besides, Flashpoint never had Barry get struck by lightning thus the explanation of him losing his powers throughout.
Any of the changes Barry made to the timeline can have unpredictable ripple effects, which is why you can never restore an original timeline. In Flashpoint, the Allen family was attacked one night by the Reverse Flash and were saved by a mysterious man in a red suit, which marks a major difference from the 'original' timeline. That alone could have huge, potentially unseen consequences on the trajectory of their lives and the people around them. Plus, from the info we know about the pre-RF timeline, we know some things are different. For one, Wally is the Flash, not Barry, and as the timeline 'corrects' itself, Barry starts to lose his powers. Also, Wally's already the Flash as of 2016, when in pre-RF timeline, there were no metahumans before 2020.
In short, while Barry can restore certain elements of a previous timeline (saving his mother, for example), his interference alone means that things will never be exactly as they once were, just because he (the adult one, not child one) was present in the new timeline and he wasn't in the old one.
@@ЖекаКрутой-й8я I’m looking at it from Thawn’s perspective. Thawn had to come from somewhere. In HIS original timeline The flash exists and Harrison wells was alive, that’s the first thing. That means HE causes the accelerator to explode by an actual accident months later than what Thawn did. That’s what he says in the show. Now, if thawn never did that then Barry may OR may not have gotten powers. my theory is of course speculation but, I think that if thawn left the timeline alone two things COULD have happened.
1. Barry could get powers via AN ACTUAL ACCIDENT!
2. Barry wouldn’t.
Now seeing as how that Thawn comes from a time that Barry has powers and thawn just saves Nora, who’s to say that it wasn’t the original season 1 timeline before thawn left in the first place, all of his history books become inconsistent as the series goes on. For example, Oliver Queen is said to live to be 86 years old but, dies and becomes the Spector. Thawn’s ENTIRE timeline was rewritten by this point. Now, lets address why he would still be alive after Eddie shot himself, aside from being the avatar and being resurrected multiple times, there is also the speed force. They even state that time remnants can exist due to it. Harry Wells explains this when past Thawn learns The Flash’s Identity and gets the inspiration to steal Well’s face. Ergo, the Flashpoint timeline can be the timeline Thawn was originally supposed to come from. He Changed it because he meddled and fucked it up creating the flash in the new timeline we see at the start of season 1.
@@biggy4427 I know everything you said. In Season 3, we were made to make it clear that you can't fully restore the timeline. Thawn, by killing Nora for the very first time, created a fixed point, the violation of which leads to the creation of another timeline.
I have another theory what if we are watching the original timeline because thawne says is season one when Barry asks why do you hate me or something of the sort and thawne say’s because I hate you not you now future you we become rivals reverses of one another or something of the sort and Barry responds in the future and thawne says in a future yes so I believe it’s possible we are currently watching the original timeline unfold that’s just my opinion though please don’t attack me in the comments
I would say that yes Thawn changed the timeline slightly, but everything we've seen is basically going as the original timeline went. I don't believe Team Flash was a thing in the original but Thawn made it happen. However, all the main events are what was in the original timeline. And now that we've gotten the full circle scene it's possible the final episodes may include Barry going to the future to "steal" Thawn's moment...which honestly I think would make a great Series Finale where it ends just showing Thawn getting angry and vowing to get revenge on Barry.
In the original timeline, Vibe was there because Reverse Flash has stated that.....to him......vibe has been dead for centuries.
i guess he got into the speedforce jail instead of thawne cuz thawne make so much changes in the past it made reverse flashpoint and had no speed force left means they didn't put him in it so they put barry in it. Then barry's memory changes cuz the past changed and his memory messed up into depression became savitar. Then barry created flash point caused the future flash out of the prison. Means savitar borns
actually Barry's mom dying is a fixed point meaning she always has to die period fixed points can be altered but not changed hence the episode where Barry first travels back in time to stop Weather Wizard eabord tells him u can't change timeline it'll fix itself always.....hence why Barry took his younger self away and allowed reverse flash to kill his mom its an event that always happens.
It was not always so. There was an og timeline where Barry became the Flash in 2020.
@@ЖекаКрутой-й8я yes and most likely one of his parents passed they never say that he had both parents yet we do know they stated multiple times that her death is a fixed point.
7:38 I don’t think we should see our Barry do this, Thawne is Erased so the only way we should see this is if they Showed these Events transpire in the Original Timeline.
Same thing goes for all the People that want to see a Full Circle ending where Barry and Thawne go back to the Night that started it all for the First time.
Thing is that’s not our Barry, Again the only way we see the events that Led to that Night is through the Original Timeline.
Oh you must be hating the recent episodes then lmao
@@hobbitpsi I’m thinking of it as a Crisis Change so I can enjoy that Episode
the original timeline Barry's suit is actually the season 2 and 3 suit of our current Barry Allen not the season 9 suit
Nope
You are referring to the suit he wore in the S1 Finale right? (The one who stopped our Barry from preventing his Mom being killed) well, they didn't have the S9 suit yet so that's why you didn't see a "future flash", also the reason they made him phase. (Which they didn't in s9, proving that it was for the audience.
(Hope that made sense haha)
@Kyle00008 Dude the "our current barry" he meant the season 9 barry: *THE CURRENT ONE*
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The one with the brighter red and the white emblem.
A common faulty logic applied here is that Barry didn't get his powers until later in the "original" timeline. Except this is based on the original Harrison Wells talking about how long it would take him and his wife to build Star Labs. That does not necessarily correlate to when Barry originally got his powers.
Eobard was trying to fix a fundamental aspect his changes from time travel caused - specifically, assuring Barry became the Flash. There were moments, specifically in season 1 when Wells/Thawne was manipulating things meticulously to allow himself to get home, where he was monitoring the timeline to best approximate the version of history he needed to restore his speed. one of these things was the newspaper for Crisis, whichw as originally 2024. In another season 1 episode, Barry lost his speed and Gideon's projections was that this had becoming a solidified event with low chances of Barry getting his speed back.
It would make no sense for Eobard, who already waited over a decade, to grant Barry his powers years earlier than he was originally meant to get them.
Then on top of all of that, in season 2 with the very first introduction of time remnants (and honestly the only time that's made sense) Eobard's first encounter with the Flash, having traveled back in time. That version of Eobard was said to only exist because it was an event that needed to exist to prevent a paradox. That unequivocally establishes that Barry had to already be a flash by that point in time.
Whether or not there ever actually was an "original" Barry from a timeline that's been completely erased, or if Eobard effectively created the timeline his Barry came from to start with is up for debate. But that first point is just wrong. However it happened, Barry always got his powers at the same time.
Part of thawnes Plan and reason for creating the partical accelerator is so Barry gets his powers earlier and so he has to spend less Time stuck in this time period
@@captainbeastwinger4940 No, they established throughout the first season that Thawne was working to ensure history followed a very specific path in order of everything to line up correctly. When Barry lost his powers in season 1 and was no longer mentioned in the paper related to Crisis, he was very concerned.
Faulty logic is Thawne timeline is filled with plot holes that debunk Season 9 Barry being OG Barry.
Ok.. I will watch the final season IF and only IF I hear that they have OG timeline Barry in it. Like they show the original timeline and how it is, and you know not add typical CW crap to make it cheesy. Like maybe have it parallel or something like we see what is going on in both timelines then we see for the final episodes it lead to Barry going back in time to save his mother and everything resets to how it would’ve been if Barry’s mom had not died.
dous he ever go back to his original timeline?
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They should make a 10th season of the original timeline
I truly wish but Eric Wallace is a piece of shit for ruining one of my favorite shows of all time
One thing we never covered is what do we think Barry would do career wise in the og timeline? He became a CSI originally to figure out his mother’s death so if she’s not dead I’m not sure what he’d do.
Gideon said he was director of csi
Why did the original timeline Barry Allen Try to stop present Barry Allen from saving his mom if that is the original timeline
Go back to the episode when you see season 9 Barry enter to stop season one Barry you can see the red and yellow blurs of OG timeline Barry and Thawne reflecting off season 9 Barry, in return of reverse Flash when Barry locked Thawne up the only thing changing was Cisco was being erased while Thawne and Barry still had their speed so Thawne didn't matter in creation of Particle Accelerator.
that means zoom never existed in the og timeline?
It'd the last episode is original wells.. roll credits
Many people have missed something back in season 1 , something that Martin stein explain to us in 1x23 of the flash, this made me think that an alternate timeline before the show exist : th-cam.com/video/ySQe81WFOUk/w-d-xo.html
He couldn't built himself Gideon , thevteam Flash from OG Timeline created
The truth is there is no “original timeline flash” everything that happened to barry from thawne killing his mother to him becoming the flash was always going to happen that’s the big twist about the situation is Barry’s mother was always going to die at the hands of reverse flash as it is a “fixed point” that Barry Allen himself “from s9” protects by choosing to save his younger self rather than his mother, the “original timeline Barry” everyone is talking about is just future flash, with all the messes that’s been created in the arrowverse timeline from crisis to the legends changing history it all connects in all time
If I rewatch the arrow-verse shows I would only going to stop at Arrow season 8 episode 10 “Fallout” now, instead of continuing The Flash because the ending they got for us is so terrible. I’ve been waiting for another full circle not just the Nora Allen’s death scene again but showing how Barry Allen got his speed. That’s what Oliver Queen said to Barry “The lightning chose you”. And when I heard him said that I thought Barry would choose his past self to become the Flash so that the full circle would continue again.
Original timeline flash is still alive because he went into the speed force after saving his younger self and it has saved his existence
And how do u know that?
@@kras9962 because for original timeline Barry is from the future and if that time gets erased it means the whole series is worthless for Barry it’s a fixed point that future Barry saved him and also his timeline just like thawnes Beginns in the future
Our Barry still gets his powers in 2020 cause he lost them
true
But he didn't regain them from the Particle Accelerator exploding
@@sebastianfontanez1081 ye you right but he still got them back
@@doriwalker3202 Ultimately irrelevant, Eobard specifically said that the Particle Accelerator exploded in 2020, which is what led to the creation of The Flash
@@sebastianfontanez1081 yeah, you right
Have you ever watch The Mega Shark Movies?
Wow
Because you follow screen Rant) The flash has hilarious New proof that he's faster than superman screen Rant. 14h ago
OG Barry became flash in 2020
Barry Season 1 to 9 became flash in 2013
S1E23 Barry ask thawne why he killed his mother thawne says I hate you, not the current you but you years from now. Barry says in the future. Thawne says in a future which in my mind indicates two completely different timelines in the recent episode just laziness every flash back of that night Barry some how follows thawne back through the speedforce but now Barry’s transported to the day he’s mother dies
Terrible we’ll never know what happened to the OG timeline
They are not Henry and Nora , They are Jay garrick and John his wife
Henry and Nora are still alive in the original timeline. Rev Flash went back in time and killed Nora which reset the timeline and changed it to the CW one.
That's Henry and Nora. In the OG timeline they are alive which is why Barry's daughter's name is Dawn.
Это не родители Барри,это Джей Гаррик и его жена Джоанн,двойники его родителей с Земли-3
If Nora was alive in the OG timeline, then why would OG Flash stops Season 1 Flash from saving his mother?
because there isn’t no OG timeline. Professor Zoom put himself in a paradox
Because originally there was no past Barry to stop from saving his mom
Season 9 Barry stopped Season 0ne, OG Barry was fighting Thawne at that exact minute.
@@GreatWideWonderThawne timeline doesn't lineup with post Nora timeline Barry.
@@GreatWideWonder no he didn't