The Seventh Seal - Renegade Cut
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2015
- An analysis of The Seventh Seal, the 1957 classic directed by Ingmar Bergman. Support Renegade Cut Media through Patreon. / renegadecut
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I am suprised you did not mention the scene where Atonious distracts death so Jof and his wife and child can escape death's grasp. Did this not give Antonius' life some meaning?
panworks great comment - I always think this is the turning point/defining moment of this classic
Yes, it's the critical scene. Spoiler: In an earlier scene, you'll recall, Death has disturbed the knight by asking, with affected indifference, about that family. Realizing something is up, the knight, in the later scene, enables the family to escape, just as you say. Only after the knight has done that does Death reveal that anyone who's with the knight when Death comes for him will be taken, too. I like the suggestion by another commenter---Mrinal Kanti Nath, below---that the knight is supposed to be infected with the plague, which infects the persons with him at the end. Isn't that how the movie starts---with a mention that it's the time of the plague? Can't quite remember, but the knight and his sidekick encounter the figure who turns out to be a plague-ravaged corpse. The whole story is set up in the opening scenes.
Amen
Death guy stole the show as best actor in the movie. He was perfect, not too dark or serious, but determined to play his role in the world.
I just realized. Death placed his rook in the back row next to Ant's king (The back row corners being used for the "Castle" maneuver); symbolizing Death entering Ant's castle.
Clever
I think Antonius was actually suffering from plague and that's why death said he would take him and his companions who came in contact with him.
I was wondering the same.. .....I often wondered why death would take everyone all at once, when they were together, perhaps contact w main character.
Ah, we are in plague times now. And the Knight says Goodbye.
Such a strangely relate-able film to so many people.
I might need to challenge death to something a little less mentally strenuous, like a game of uno
TheAnnouncer
Death: you’re dead
Me: pulls out reverse card
@@user-ru5er5nf3t You haff sank my battle shiiip -The Grim Reaper, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
if uno is less mentally strenuous then you don't play like i play lol
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Too much chance
"Killed By Death"
Motorhead!
beast in black was my immediate thought :D
"The only time I'm going to be easy is when I'm...
Killed by death"
When Bergman does it's explainable,
When news channels do it's absurd.
It's a unfair world
Watching this movie for the first time and in 2020 hits different
I watched it today
@Renegade Cut - About your comment on Antonius having found his meaning in the moments of happiness with his friends - I thought so too when I reached that part of the movie. However, as you see at the end when Death comes to claim him, he is the only one out of the group who averts his gaze from him and openly cries out to God for salvation. Others in the group recognise that, unlike God, Death is a real palpable force that they know for sure to exist and that it holds power over everyone, and accordingly pays it respect, and look and speak to him directly, showing that they accept him fully and do not deny him. The servant girl is even entranced by him and kneels before him almost religiously. Antonius, the character who has been searching for an answer to the conundrum of comfort offered by faith in God and the harshness of rational thoughts, and seemed to be moving towards the latter throughout the film, looks away from Death, covers his face and then prays to God. He was not able to find an answer even to the end of his life and accordingly is not at peace - he still does not understand what Death will bring. What can a man in his circumstance do? Cry out to God and ask for salvation, even though he does not know or fully believe that He exists. Faith, after all, is something you have in the face of a lack of a proof.
The squire, on the other hand, had already fully accepted the idea that God does not exist and that life is inherently meaningless, save for the meaning you give to it. Therefore when Death comes, he is able to face him head on as he already knows what Death is and has lived his life accordingly - enjoying it to the fullest and thereby giving it meaning. I noticed that he is the only one in the group who actually looks directly at the camera, perhaps showing that the level of his awareness transcends all of the others in the group. While others have spent their lives grappling with their fear of the meaninglessness of life, the squire has already accepted it and had moved on to creating his own meaning in it. Antonius gets a glimpse of this possibility when he shared a meal with the actor's family, but was not able to commit to it like the squire did. The difference between these two characters are reflected in this dialogue:
Antonius: "God, you who are somewhere, who must be somewhere... have mercy on us."
Squire: "I could have purged your worries about eternity... but now it's too late. But feel, to the very end, the triumph of being alive!"
This is what I thought anyway after seeing the film and your video. Please pardon the stream-of-consciousness style of writing. I would appreciate anything you want to comment on my thoughts. Thanks.
Awesome elaboration!
I saw an interview where Bergman states that the movie intends to showcase the different “meanings” people put on life/death. I find the squire and the actor to be the two most interesting figures: the former being somewhat my intent at looking at life in the face of rationality and the latter being my fantasy, of wishing life to be as magical as when I was a child, without this rationality.
Does anyone else find it amusing that Jof and Mia are the ones who are faithful and believe in the supernatural without problem, and they are the ones who survive. I find that it fits with the Christian element of true believers through God overcome Death like Christ.
Beautifully put
Many years have passed since your response but it was today I watched this movie for the first time. I disagree with your point, I think in the end Antonius has actually found peace, in that he is sure that God exists. When towards the end of the film his ploy to save Jof and his wife succeeds, while Antonius remains anxious, from that point on he seems to accept death, and when Death does arrive, while he is of course still anxious to die, his prayer to God is not for Death to have mercy, or to live long, but for a God who must exist to have mercy on him. And I really do think the saving of Jof and his family is critical, because it is the culmination of all of the chess game. Antonius says at first that he is playing to find answers, but it is later that he decides with his respite he seeks to do something great and memorable, and for him, it is saving the people who gave him a moment of pure joy he will never forget. Death towards the end of the film says that nothing and no one escapes him, but by disproving this by saving Jof and his family, through simple deception no less, I think it leads Antonius to faith in the end.
I too apologise for the rambli-ness of my nonsense, and of course, this is just my interpretation.
RIP Msr. Max von Sny..
von Sydow.
Isnt the whole idea the knight brings the plague home with him? Killing his house hold and being already dead, though still alive.
Thats a fascinating way of thinking about it and can be totally true
I love your videos! Keep them coming :D
wow this is a really great analysis!
Death kills no one. Death takes them.
Death clearly killed Jonas by cutting down the tree. Even if that was not meant to be taken literally in the physical reality of the film, the clear symbolic implication (and symbolism is the lens we’re supposed to be viewing all this from, anyway) is that Death is responsible for his, well, death.
Illuminating commentary. Very well done. 40 years ago I did a production of Wood Painting here in London. I think the earlier theatre piece certainly has the potential to be funnier than the movie but also darker and more disturbing. The speech of the witch for example AFTER her burning and the final confrontation of the whole company with Death whom one has to 'place' , as it were, in the audience at the end, has the possibility of being very disturbing indeed.
Amazing work, thank you.
A masterpiece in cinema
Cant believe this channel isn't bigger
FANTASTIC FANTASTIC VIDEO MAN!!!! You seem like a very knowledgable person
Just beautiful
Amazing analysis.You spoke to the point (nothing more ,nothing less).This is what I call "Excellence"!
The "Terror of the Plague" has unfortunately returned. March 2020.
Just a pointer: Mia is jof's wife, Block's wife was called Karin. Good analysis by the way.
Good catch!
awesome analyse, like everytime. it`s realy great to listen to your opinion on bergman or kurosawa
I found some uncanny similarities between the seventh seal and Silence(2016)
I was thinking the same thing when I watched this!
Both were Masterpieces
Such an amazing film
I love how they parody this on Bill and Ted.
💀: “best 2 out of 3”
One of my favorite films and your insights about it are much appreciated. The weaving of faith, skepticism, blended with more mundane concerns such as adultery and the anger of the crowd are intriguing in how Bergman juggles it all. The introduction of corruption in organized religion and human cruelty leads to an emotional and intellectual crisis. And yet The Seventh Seal shows the way to meaning whether in the kindness of receiving a bowl of milk or in the believing in miracles from an imaginary world.
I found this interpretation very plausible and convincing.
Thank you 😊
AMAZING
Thank you
Funny... I know of the concept of playing board games with the Grim Reaper from Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
BRAVO!
Great channel.
Awsome Movie Great Review Keep it up Bro👍👍👍👍
Damn, you are big brain. Nice analysis
This might not be obvious to someone that only reads the english translation, but in swedish bishop and knight are called, literally speaking "runner" and "jumper", i don't know if the connection is that clear unless it has been stated at another point
The black plaque was great as a standin for the threat of nuclear war in the 50s as it is a great standin for the dangers of climate change today.
That would depend on whether the Masses know what "climate" even is. As it is, ignorance is bliss for the climate change agendists.
Looks like nuclear war is not quite out of view after all.
16:58 -- "It has noticeable Eucharistic overturns."
Did you mean "overtones" and it just slipped out wrong? I'll bet you did.
In any case, I really appreciate this analysis. I especially like that you don't state your interpretations as fact.
Your manner of speaking is also perfect. Nicely paced, good clear diction without sounding overly enunciated.
Kudos and thanks!
Caring crucifixes and whipping themselves to atone for sins which was the custom of the time quote Grampa Simpson
good vids renegade
Some good looking ladies in this old flick.
Hold yo phukin nut
RIP Max .....I guess he did collect 63 years later!
Death finally defeated him ..RIP ~
I disagree with a couple of things:
- The actor/fool could truly see what others didn't (lady and kid/Mary and Jesus and also Death); The movie IS telling the supernatural exists, but no one sees it. It's not an issue, it's rather a confirmation of that reality for us viewers.
- Antonius went on a quest for Christ/Crusades/wild goose chase (that the other guy/squire/henchman discovers from the priest he encounters trying to rape the girl); That empty quest was exactly what made him waste his time instead of living with his love fully.
- Isn't Mia in the castle his wife? The way you say it makes it seem like it was a girl he liked, not a wife expecting his husband back.
- If there's Death then there's God. Bergmann says the same as everybody usually does: "I don't see God, only Evil, so it's unfair, God isn't real (just Evil) because of that silence from him". Filmmakers insist on that same note every time! God is clearly not there but Evil/Devil is clearly always there.
- Death is the personification AND the circunstance of it. One doesn't exclude the other.
- Antonius life was meaningless and everything around him. The only thing that made it all worth it was saving that actor's family (true honest/innocent people) from a bad destiny. His original problem was solved there by the end. He was in peace with it.
Other than that: good catch on that thought, that chess is a representation of his life on following events.
I think you are spot on, but we do have to recognize the mixed messages of the film. It isnt a preachy film, but if you do peel back the onion, it is a film that contains tangible experiences of the supernatural, so ofcourse the athiest position and its smug glory really is foolish, even if the movie threw them some bones. I appreciate the movie for this, because we cant say the squire is a completely idiot, but he seems to have a wide breath of knowledge in half-truths, and these are stated through out.
The Knight sees these things, inspite of the doubt, and so goes with death still praying to God with some very imperfect hope and faith.
I think this is a movie athiests, agnostics and Christian's can enjoy and find insightful and contemplate on and talk about. The smug, whether believer or disbelievers, is probably the most despicable
What if I make a move but death dies first?
I am unknowing.
Day 10 of lockdown brought me to this
Can you put a captions please , because English is not my mother language so i've to translate it❤️
Checkmate finally, dear Max😢 but Ingmar is waiting there, as he proved to you.
Well, I know what I’m rewatching for the fifth time tonight. Just kidding, I’m actually probably going to watch Winter Light because I feel like Winter Light right now.
why did death take them all at once?
Death is the real light...anyone who has had a near death experience will tell you.
This movie reminds me of war games movie ,
hey that's pretty moonlight sonata
what's the name of background music in this video?
you know death personified, i am technically in the middle: this is trinity
Even the three eyed raven can’t beat death........
You played an excellent game Mr. Von Sydow, but death always cheats. You will be missed. Vila i frid.
Death is my muse.
I like films that feature chess games such as From Russia with Love (where one of the players looked like Prince Charles orVladimir Putin)
Very accurate depiction of religion
The "Knight and Bishop attack" referencing Antonius and religion doesn't really make sense because the names of those pieces are different in Swedish. The knight (springare) is close, it would translate directly as something like 'steed', but their word for the chess bishop is löpare, which translates simply as 'runner'.
In the same way that English speakers have the capacity to learn the names and connotations of the pieces in Swedish (as you’ve demonstrated here), Bergman surely could have understood that those pieces can also symbolize a knight and bishop. That’s often how symbolism works. You draw on deep cultural connections that may not even be immediately understood by your entire audience, but adds another level of richness to those in the know.
I think Martin Scorcese did a film about the silence of God called 'Silence' aptly with Liam Neeson and Adam Driver and others. I want to see it, it may mirror this movie.
No one can kill Rinaldo!
That camera movement into the Berries is Obvious, The Berries were Poisonous.
LifeInPictures but the wife (The Queen) never ate berries. Yet still saw death.
But Mia survived because the knight distracted death, and found his purpose in doing so.
Why does he say he sees four suns? Is this a biblical reference?
I can't disbelieve in God. But I loved the film
I see this channel has a cult following of its own.
Language is religion, all is language.
Maybe God was in the friends we made along the way
As a Christian I found this film helpful in reaffirming my faith in God. Faith is forged as is metal. It must be broken down, and once malleable fashioned into a sword. This is the only weapon of which man can wield that would pierce death itself. Faith can only be born of fire.
Since antique times there is a difference between “epos” and “mythos”. In our time we distinguish between “documents” and “art”. Art tells us truths in a different way than documents... It is a nonsense to pick parts of the movie and test it in a relation to the truth. Artistic truth is expressed in an artistic whole not as a sum of its parts... That is, parts of movies often do not tell us truths but a movie, as a whole, is a statement in relation to the truth. In simple words, we will not destroy the wall of a building in a hope that we will find an architectural blueprint hidden in a wall. The chess game in the movie is a formal device with a particular function in cinematic structure. Arguing about the lack of accuracy in a chess game which is the part of a movie is equally nonsensical to arguing that death in the movie does not look quite like real death at all...
In 1957, this might have been terrifying ..?
Thank God and Doctors and Scientists for ANTIBIOTICS & modern medicine
No... Thank the people who can give them to you. If you have no insurance, none of those people will give you nothing.
The one world religion should be the fellowship of man and not superstition or power structures.
theproplady I'd say more like a scientific socialist utopia where menial tasks are handled by robots and all basic needs are met while the governing body values the minds of its citizenry beyond treating people as livestock; the yolk of debt enslavement chained around the necks of the working-class oxen while the ruling bourgeois parasites live off their labor.
@@ConsciusVeritasVids That sounds legitimately awful. I mean that. I know that this comment was 5 years old and it's pointless to rehash but that sounds horrible to me.
@@Dim2134 what about it?
Having watched this film and this review, my thoughts are unchanged--it's a decent period piece, but I don't consider it any great touchstone of film or the human condition.
I was expecting something life changing and it was sort of obvious the whole time. Much better surrealism out there
When people say it's great it's great u raise expectations and ends in dissapointmend