This is because they're doing it wrong. They probably take notes straight out of a textbook, or they probably jotted down what the professor said instead of expounding on a topic using their own words. The trick is that when you take notes, try to explain a topic using your own words. If you can't explain the topic yet, it's a sign that you haven't learned anything yet and that you should study the topic first.
Exactly ...for me the way i use notes is i note down my understanding of something or the relationships between stuff thst i learned that i just discovered on my own ... And simplifying stuff and making steps for solving problems all in my own words
The thing is, school doesn’t teach note taking. Crazy to think that the entire school experience is pretty much sitting in a classroom listening to someone and taking notes, and yet no one is ever formally taught how to take those notes. I think the best thing is to sit and listen first - just try to understand the concepts being presented in class, only taking notes to things to the standout things you’ll look into for research later. This is where you’ll really have the time to make connections and understand things in detail. No one can digest and remember everything being said and taught in a lecture. Most learning is done independently. So just understand the broad arguments and concepts
I don’t take notes anymore I just read the content and make sure I visualize it in my head and relate some things to stuff in the book and that’s how I remember. It also helps when books have little quizzes where you can quiz yourself. I notice when I write notes I don’t remember anything.
In school, I stopped making notes and just put sticky notes for extra stuff in my textbooks itself. Making notes just feels like a waste of time. Highlighting stuff with sticky notes is faster.
Lectures are mostly useless. Reading the course books carefully and doing group work has been way more efficient for me. I mostly attended lectures for socializing
Depends on the type of learning you prefer. Reading does nothing for me unless I see and do. Even doing it with group work. Listening to the instructor, using flash cards, and doing labs was way better than reading for me.
Same. Note taking doesnt seem to help too but much but compared to attending class and just listening, it dies help retain more information than just sitting there about only listening
He's said it in his other videos, but I'll just say the footsnote version of what he's said in those: Effective note taking is more about your notes being a mirror for your mind. You can look at your notes as an ANALOGUE to your mind when you were in the lecture or learning from the book and think: "Huh... am I feeling confident in the way I'm thinking about the information I'm taking in?" "Is HOW I'm thinking about the content good?" "How am I literally constructing the content?" (Like, how were you literally writing stuff down? Are you looking at each line of words and going "Okay, that's what I need to know" or are you able to form literal groups of knowledge and dictate relationships in those groups? Can you know FOR SURE which relationships are CRUCIAL?) Knowledge is an information network to the human mind, not individualized bits and pieces of information. Form a basic information network first. Then, little details and individual bits of information start to get memorized better because they have an easier path integrating into the knowledge network. After that point, you can maintain that network through retrieval practice using the same principle of thinking of relational knowledge, relevancy, and making sure you're still accurate in your information.
@@normaaliihminen722 two implicit questions I'm answering: What are notes? - Basically and importantly, notes are like your mind from a certain time except it's on paper. Can the you now understand what your wrote then? What is knowledge? Think of knowledge as like making a map. People who understand a topic very well or are experts of a field have information structured in some way that allows them to deeply understand their field. In some sense, this is like having a map of understanding. How can you create this map of understanding for classes, interesting topics and or other?
yeah, it seems repeated exposure to the material at differernt levels of detail each time, is more effective than writing long notes because we will forget the notes anyway.
@@k9blazesensation So for me, after I learn a topic, I write down said topic on a notebook page, without any notes. ex: “Past and future tense of ‘Ir’ in Spanish.” Every now and then I’ll look at that and try to remember everything I learned, and I’ve found it takes way less time than normal notetaking and helps me remember it far better, in much greater detail.
i have a method my own to take useful notes what i do is just listen and look carefully in what the teacher says and shows(in the slides) as she goes through the slides i get a sticky note to write down the important details. after class i take out the sticky note (where i wrote the detail) if you really listened to the teacher you know it and you quickly understand. in this stage what i do is Write the details in my own words cuz its easier for me to understand.
Notes are the only way you can remember stuff unless you have perfect memory. Notes actually do help remember stuff, as you are writing it down there is a physical movement to it and saying it in your head, as well as hearing. This gives you three things to help you remember it. So I don't see what the "magical" solution is you might be proposing.
Don’t memorize, understand. When you memorize, the forget curve takes effect vs you understanding for the rest of your life. Notes are useless word by work and should only be main and obscure ideas that help you “understand”
I don't know, taking notes is a lot of work, it's also boring to me and usually never go back to these notes, and instead of focusing on making interesting associations with other bits of information and visualizing it (which is a big help to remembering more things and in more details) I take boring notes during lectures because that's what you have to do, and because of that I just zone out, daydreaming about something.
Like fyk yeah, exactly what I was looking for. Like I attend lectures only to know what I need to study, even though it's supposed to be in syllabus. And then I get back home and the fun (read: real chore) beggins.
This is why I don't take notes. Sure, I won't know the facts you ask from the material. But I somehow still manage to get by without it. Memorising facts is overrated.
I've never understood all of the stress around taking "good notes" (unless your teacher/prof truly doesn't post anything online). If something seems important in a lecture, i write it down. Sometimes I'll just bring in a copy of the slides to underline and write in the margins. It depends on the course content and who's teaching.
ok, I thought only my country (Indonesia) which have this problem. In the comment section there is a lot of english comment, may I know which country you studied in, guys? I am interested in studying in England, UK, America and Korea. Do those of you who study in this country also have the same educational problems as other countries like mine?
I don't think it is useless to spend 2-3 hrs making notes? Because even if u learn stuffs from textbook, you can't revise the entire textbook a week before exams. That's when you revise your notes as they have important things. Yes, but active recalling and writing after learning might help.
@@Taesanonehourloop but the textbook is already mindmap just learn the concept, see the sub heading and boom now u remember everything (but do this regularly)
As for me, who is studying from an open university which has really bad book delivery service, I got no choice but to make notes from the internet. Then study from the notes I made for the exam. 😢
In my school we are forced to write what is in the textbook but at the end I get no information of that. Then all the students just re - read and revise the topic unless it is memorized..😢
I'll rewrite the notes after coming home everyday by understanding each and every topic inn a detailed and fast way so I don't have to revise much and forget things easily Understanding things include 3d videos, TH-cam lectures, question solving, clearing the doubts. Rewriting a good notes in your own words WITH UNDERSTANDING THE CONCEPT will definitely help a student to score now❤
hi can you all please answer this ? i had a physics exam and i saw my notes were not from exam point of view i had written many useless things which def will not be on the exam and i did not included the most important things, and it's oct rn as yall know after three months i have my boards should i rewrite the notes in my own words after learning and understanding that topic or should i just leave it like that?
@@joshuaejovi3722 yes I have. Praytell, what info in this video is something I can act on? He just says it's inefficient to just take notes and not learn and does not provide any solution. What am I missing?
@@eydaimon I noticed that too. Looks like he won't give you any solutions unless you pay for his online course. It's possible he has good advice, but it's all behind a paywall.
Ermmm then what DO we do during lectures???? At least give us a solution or direction to head in man :/ Maybe a link to one of you full videos where this applies??
But writing speed matter crazily in exams. If I have the habit of writing I can accelerate that in my exams. But if I am a slow writer I m gonna run out of time. It helped me greatly in my exams. I sometimes filled up 3 sheets in 10 minute times. 😂
My profs shere their power points I'll just rather listen and write down questions about things I like to know more about and read their PowerPoints when I need to remind myself about what they said
I’d say he means summarizing or rewriting content from books or power points etc. I think it might make more sense to think about the content and organize it in your head / really understand it and then think about what you actually should write down to ‘prompt’ your future self, because it’s probably a lot less than what it would have been if you’d written the notes first. It might not work for everyone though.
@@otto_jkI'm a high school student. We don't get powerpoinr presentations after class, we have to note it all in class just when the teacher is teaching so..
@@sav2902no buddy, visual learners would find learning notes easy and recalling them, audio learners would learn better from lectures, etc. Everyone is not the same. I find revising notes easier than reading entire textbooks, that's why i make them.
Understand shit first then you write. It's why we remember nothing when all we do is write write write and wah la you got your glass of water that leaks more than the great depression
I actually have this same question. I'm currently reviewing algebra 2 for the ACT, remembering steps and stuff is difficult without writing everything down for every special scenario/problem
there are lot of Uni-oriented philosophies which are dumb ! just like the lectures at all ! when you could learn everything even better than the way the philosopher explains it !
I realized this in my engineering math classes. I was just taking notes, I hardly remembered the lectures. In stead I would sit down in the library during these lectures and just work through the lecture notes by myself (the professor thankfully provided them). During the first half of the class I managed to get through the entire lecture, during the second half I just worked on problems. My grades went up and I spent less time on math. 🤷♂️
This is because they're doing it wrong. They probably take notes straight out of a textbook, or they probably jotted down what the professor said instead of expounding on a topic using their own words.
The trick is that when you take notes, try to explain a topic using your own words. If you can't explain the topic yet, it's a sign that you haven't learned anything yet and that you should study the topic first.
Exactly ...for me the way i use notes is i note down my understanding of something or the relationships between stuff thst i learned that i just discovered on my own ... And simplifying stuff and making steps for solving problems all in my own words
That’s definitely what I do, but sometimes I interpret it wrong and wrongly understand the information. Which then leads me to a bad grade.🫡
@@stellamariefanboy.6768same 😢
@@Numbll well at least someone relates
How do you take a note while the professor explaining?
I always focus on the absolute key details when I am taking notes, and I am listening more than writing.
How?
Repetition is the mother of skill.
Bruv tell us how u do it
The thing is, school doesn’t teach note taking. Crazy to think that the entire school experience is pretty much sitting in a classroom listening to someone and taking notes, and yet no one is ever formally taught how to take those notes.
I think the best thing is to sit and listen first - just try to understand the concepts being presented in class, only taking notes to things to the standout things you’ll look into for research later. This is where you’ll really have the time to make connections and understand things in detail. No one can digest and remember everything being said and taught in a lecture. Most learning is done independently. So just understand the broad arguments and concepts
I don’t take notes anymore I just read the content and make sure I visualize it in my head and relate some things to stuff in the book and that’s how I remember. It also helps when books have little quizzes where you can quiz yourself. I notice when I write notes I don’t remember anything.
Exactly same i do! ❤ saves a lot of time…
In school, I stopped making notes and just put sticky notes for extra stuff in my textbooks itself. Making notes just feels like a waste of time. Highlighting stuff with sticky notes is faster.
What is the solution?
Lectures are mostly useless. Reading the course books carefully and doing group work has been way more efficient for me. I mostly attended lectures for socializing
It's not the place for deep thought.
Depends on the type of learning you prefer. Reading does nothing for me unless I see and do. Even doing it with group work. Listening to the instructor, using flash cards, and doing labs was way better than reading for me.
Sometimes, books don't contain information the way presented in lectures.
@@Taesanonehourloophence the phrase"Mostly useless"
Just do it in reverse....first learn ( from TH-cam or textbook whatever) and trying writing it... compare and write again
Same. Note taking doesnt seem to help too but much but compared to attending class and just listening, it dies help retain more information than just sitting there about only listening
Notes 📝 do help create mind maps of the important things to “note” about each topic. Lol
yeah i summarize the notes when as i read them, when i see myself starting to just copy, i stop and resume later.
He's said it in his other videos, but I'll just say the footsnote version of what he's said in those:
Effective note taking is more about your notes being a mirror for your mind. You can look at your notes as an ANALOGUE to your mind when you were in the lecture or learning from the book and think: "Huh... am I feeling confident in the way I'm thinking about the information I'm taking in?" "Is HOW I'm thinking about the content good?" "How am I literally constructing the content?"
(Like, how were you literally writing stuff down? Are you looking at each line of words and going "Okay, that's what I need to know" or are you able to form literal groups of knowledge and dictate relationships in those groups? Can you know FOR SURE which relationships are CRUCIAL?)
Knowledge is an information network to the human mind, not individualized bits and pieces of information. Form a basic information network first. Then, little details and individual bits of information start to get memorized better because they have an easier path integrating into the knowledge network. After that point, you can maintain that network through retrieval practice using the same principle of thinking of relational knowledge, relevancy, and making sure you're still accurate in your information.
Yeah I'm happy I left college fuck that
I really don’t understand damn thing what you said.
@@princealmighty5391 you’re writing down the pattern of thinking on notes in which you understood the lecture
ingraining that thought process into your mind
@@normaaliihminen722 two implicit questions I'm answering:
What are notes? - Basically and importantly, notes are like your mind from a certain time except it's on paper. Can the you now understand what your wrote then?
What is knowledge?
Think of knowledge as like making a map. People who understand a topic very well or are experts of a field have information structured in some way that allows them to deeply understand their field. In some sense, this is like having a map of understanding. How can you create this map of understanding for classes, interesting topics and or other?
The problem is that as soon as you learn something your brain starts to forget.
yeah, it seems repeated exposure to the material at differernt levels of detail each time, is more effective than writing long notes because we will forget the notes anyway.
You have to know why you're learning a certain topic, otherwise your brain will prune it out(decay curve)
@@hunterkudo9832okay, but wouldn’t that be why we review the notes?
@@k9blazesensation
So for me, after I learn a topic, I write down said topic on a notebook page, without any notes. ex: “Past and future tense of ‘Ir’ in Spanish.”
Every now and then I’ll look at that and try to remember everything I learned, and I’ve found it takes way less time than normal notetaking and helps me remember it far better, in much greater detail.
I am sooo trapped in this state of mind
i have a method my own to take useful notes
what i do is just listen and look carefully in what the teacher says and shows(in the slides)
as she goes through the slides i get a sticky note to write down the important details.
after class i take out the sticky note (where i wrote the detail)
if you really listened to the teacher you know it and you quickly understand. in this stage what i do is Write the details in my own words cuz its easier for me to understand.
That’s why I take pictures and try to absorb everything visually and only write down what I think is important to know
This is me . After I’m done with notes I don’t even feel like reading over it
I really don't remember if I take notes to I really appreciate you
Understand before outlining
I definitely did this up until and I'm never doing it again. Thank uou!
Notes are the only way you can remember stuff unless you have perfect memory. Notes actually do help remember stuff, as you are writing it down there is a physical movement to it and saying it in your head, as well as hearing.
This gives you three things to help you remember it. So I don't see what the "magical" solution is you might be proposing.
Correct notetaking
Don’t memorize, understand. When you memorize, the forget curve takes effect vs you understanding for the rest of your life. Notes are useless word by work and should only be main and obscure ideas that help you “understand”
I don't know, taking notes is a lot of work, it's also boring to me and usually never go back to these notes, and instead of focusing on making interesting associations with other bits of information and visualizing it (which is a big help to remembering more things and in more details) I take boring notes during lectures because that's what you have to do, and because of that I just zone out, daydreaming about something.
Just understand and when you start to forgot learn from book the part you highlighted. It saves a lot of time.
Wah jindal ji wah❤
Like fyk yeah, exactly what I was looking for. Like I attend lectures only to know what I need to study, even though it's supposed to be in syllabus. And then I get back home and the fun (read: real chore) beggins.
This is why I don't take notes. Sure, I won't know the facts you ask from the material. But I somehow still manage to get by without it. Memorising facts is overrated.
Hey Justin, am your biggest fan, and I really need your help in remembering, coz I would be writing the biggest exam of my life this year
same. tbh im considering buying his course because why not,
I've never understood all of the stress around taking "good notes" (unless your teacher/prof truly doesn't post anything online). If something seems important in a lecture, i write it down. Sometimes I'll just bring in a copy of the slides to underline and write in the margins. It depends on the course content and who's teaching.
"3-4 hours of time". I thought it was obvious by the word hours 🤔 but thanks for being thorough.
I take notes but not that long and I well understand he is correct understand what you write
Interesting!
What is the correct way?
ok, I thought only my country (Indonesia) which have this problem. In the comment section there is a lot of english comment, may I know which country you studied in, guys? I am interested in studying in England, UK, America and Korea. Do those of you who study in this country also have the same educational problems as other countries like mine?
I don't think it is useless to spend 2-3 hrs making notes? Because even if u learn stuffs from textbook, you can't revise the entire textbook a week before exams. That's when you revise your notes as they have important things. Yes, but active recalling and writing after learning might help.
@@Taesanonehourloop but the textbook is already mindmap just learn the concept, see the sub heading and boom now u remember everything (but do this regularly)
So how should we do it
Whats the solution?
Buy his $700 course that is repackaged and already well established techniques that he claims are the first of its kind.
There isn't a single topper who didn't make notes in preparation.
Ah yes, Friedrich’s sea of clouds painting. That’s an awesome shirt bro
As for me, who is studying from an open university which has really bad book delivery service, I got no choice but to make notes from the internet. Then study from the notes I made for the exam. 😢
❤ Thanks
Full video link ?
You're right😢
Idk. I usually make flashcards from the powetpoints which takes a few hours. Then ill start doing the flashcards
One soln to this problem is first learn and then write on your own
In my school we are forced to write what is in the textbook but at the end I get no information of that. Then all the students just re - read and revise the topic unless it is memorized..😢
I'll rewrite the notes after coming home everyday by understanding each and every topic inn a detailed and fast way so I don't have to revise much and forget things easily
Understanding things include 3d videos, TH-cam lectures, question solving, clearing the doubts.
Rewriting a good notes in your own words WITH UNDERSTANDING THE CONCEPT will definitely help a student to score now❤
hi can you all please answer this ?
i had a physics exam and i saw my notes were not from exam point of view i had written many useless things which def will not be on the exam and i did not included the most important things, and it's oct rn as yall know after three months i have my boards should i rewrite the notes in my own words after learning and understanding that topic or should i just leave it like that?
Yeah. I'm unsubscribing. This is another piece of content that contains no information I can act on. Just promoting his content
Bro have you actually watched the videos?
i think hes saying that you should try to remember less so that you remember more like remember the big ideas relationships as being the detail
@@joshuaejovi3722 yes I have. Praytell, what info in this video is something I can act on? He just says it's inefficient to just take notes and not learn and does not provide any solution. What am I missing?
@@eydaimon I noticed that too. Looks like he won't give you any solutions unless you pay for his online course. It's possible he has good advice, but it's all behind a paywall.
He just wants to drag you into his course
What episode is this
Ermmm then what DO we do during lectures???? At least give us a solution or direction to head in man :/
Maybe a link to one of you full videos where this applies??
Just listen to the damn lecture
True bro am burned out copying notes
But writing speed matter crazily in exams. If I have the habit of writing I can accelerate that in my exams.
But if I am a slow writer I m gonna run out of time.
It helped me greatly in my exams.
I sometimes filled up 3 sheets in 10 minute times. 😂
💯
writing notes is the only way to study whats been said....unless you have perfect recollection ...
My profs shere their power points I'll just rather listen and write down questions about things I like to know more about and read their PowerPoints when I need to remind myself about what they said
I’d say he means summarizing or rewriting content from books or power points etc. I think it might make more sense to think about the content and organize it in your head / really understand it and then think about what you actually should write down to ‘prompt’ your future self, because it’s probably a lot less than what it would have been if you’d written the notes first. It might not work for everyone though.
@@otto_jkI'm a high school student. We don't get powerpoinr presentations after class, we have to note it all in class just when the teacher is teaching so..
Is that a reverse rick roll shirt?
Not everyone learns the same way you do.
No, but there are study techniques that almost always work better for everyone.
Tell me you're Ignorant about good study methods without telling me
you mean not everyone studies like he does? everyone learns the same way, buddy
@@sav2902no buddy, visual learners would find learning notes easy and recalling them, audio learners would learn better from lectures, etc. Everyone is not the same. I find revising notes easier than reading entire textbooks, that's why i make them.
@@Taesanonehourloopvisual learners etc is bs it's proven it's myth
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What should I do lol
Understand shit first then you write. It's why we remember nothing when all we do is write write write and wah la you got your glass of water that leaks more than the great depression
😳 I am that student... Help!!!
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How would you write notes for math ?
What type of math?
I actually have this same question. I'm currently reviewing algebra 2 for the ACT, remembering steps and stuff is difficult without writing everything down for every special scenario/problem
@@loki-of-asgard7877 geometry
You dont write notes (unless its formulas or theorems) In Maths you have to practice solving different types of questions. Practice makes one perfect.
@@anonmoouse1881 THANK YOU
Idk note taking has always seemer like a mindless activity.
there are lot of Uni-oriented philosophies which are dumb ! just like the lectures at all ! when you could learn everything even better than the way the philosopher explains it !
🤓 🐔
Charlatan
You sound very much like Andrew tate
I realized this in my engineering math classes. I was just taking notes, I hardly remembered the lectures.
In stead I would sit down in the library during these lectures and just work through the lecture notes by myself (the professor thankfully provided them).
During the first half of the class I managed to get through the entire lecture, during the second half I just worked on problems.
My grades went up and I spent less time on math. 🤷♂️