When this video was made obviously the nerfs were not yet introduced? Dragon emp rose even further with those nerfs on the other legions, anyway looking forward to seeing you guys 👍🏽❤
Hey, I watched your channel and realized you are Dutch. Where are you located? (If I have not yet asked). I just moved to Hilversum and want to find some Dutch players.
Hey guys, greetings from Germany, big fan of your podcast here. I wanted to see what you guys think about my list that I want to take to a tournament later this year. It's gonna be my first tournament, usually just play a lot with friends. It will be 900 points and this is roughly what I have in mind for it: Mordor/SerpentHorde Razgush 2x Bat Swarm 2x Orc, Spear/Shield 1x Orc, Spear WitchKing 3/14/3, Crown, FellBeast 8x Black Numenoreans 8x Morannons, Spear/Shield 2x Orc Tracker Goroth 3x BNums 4x Morannons, Spear/Shield 3x Orc Tracker Suladan, Armored Horse, LEADER 3x Harad Warriors, Bow 3x Serpent Rider 2x Watcher of Karna (Blades) It is 45 Models. Thought I want to go with something consistent and throw in some spicy bats. Idea is to have the WK+Bat Assassin Combo, backed by a bannered up Blacknum+Morannon core. Trackers for cheap numbers and two resilient 3 Might Heroes that can smack basic troops. Bats could also be handy vs. big centerpiece armies at that points level (Sauron, Balrog?) I think the numbers might be a little low but at this high of a points level I feel things will get clunky and numbers become hard to use effectively, thoughts? For numbers, what would you cut? I am a little afraid of F5 Troops (Easterlings). The scenarios will most likely be (5rounds): Pool 2 Pool 6 Lords of Battle Divide and Conquer (My warbands might need work) Reconnoitre Excited to see what you think! Keep up the good work, I always enjoy listening to your content!
A good trick for 'standard list size' between 400-800pts is divide by 10 and half it. So a medium sized list at 650 is (650/10)/2 = 32 or 33. Gondor list is nice, functional, safe, wont let ya down and has a couple of great value heroes (which is good at these medium sized games). But stale, everyone's played against it a trillion times. I can see it going nicely in the hands of a good player, but wont be troubling the top 5. The riders of theoden list is another all the vets have played against. Gamling and Dernhelm combo is interesting. I find at smaller points means less turns, means less might is needed. I might have gone for Theoden/Deorwine/elfhelm or Eomer personally. You'd get a higher average quality of character, 12 might (including calling death) plus heroic combats for days from Deorwine. Again, a really nice and safe list, this one with a higher ceiling for skill input I think, but also more likely to draw a bad matchup in a bad mission here or there and get punished. If he's comfortable with cav kiting he'll go well I think. The dragon emperor has that powahhh. An undercosted model as we know, plus all the free stuff basically makes him a 700pt army competing at 650. 8 might is very nice with a 3+ MOB on Rutabae. This is the evil version of the above gondor list hahaha. Less shooting but the drum makes it go fast. Nice list, maximizing the emperor and his benefits is going to be important. I love helm hammerhand, I think he's brilliant for casual/competitive games. I have played against foot helmsguard a LOT. Very reactive, slow with poor shooting and if helm is outclassed (Beorn, Aragon, Dain, Elendil, any elf lord) the list is in trouble. Monsters are a problem too because they force helm to engage on the monster players terms (or it'll hurl your army to death) The missions interactions with your throwing weapons will define your games imo. Very cool list, but I'd be aiming for a top third finish or top 25% finish with a list like that. Going for a fun, casual competitive time not a top tables time. The Serpent hoard army scares me. I peed myself a little. A nice bit of f4 cav, 17 bows, 20 throwing weapons. Damn. Sallydan is great value, you can play a defensive offence where you draw the enemy in and then pick them apart in a series of favorable micro engagements (which is how I love to play). This list is in the same category as the rohan list for me. If well piloted the sky is the limit.
We have a 1000pt event coming up - could you guys review this list? I call it an "absurd soup list": Balin the Dwarf, King of Moria 6 Dwarf Warriors with shields 6 Dwarf Warriors with Dwarf bows 6 Dwarf Rangers with throwing axes Floi Stonehand 6 Dwarf Warriors with shields 6 Dwarf Rangers with bows King's Champion 2 Heralds 8 Dwarf Warriors with shields 1 Dwarf Warrior with Dwarf bow 1 Dwarf Ranger with bow IMPOSSIBLE ALLY: Thorin Oakenshield with Orcrist and the Oakenshield [Army Leader] Bombur the Dwarf IMPOSSIBLE ALLY: Radagast the Brown with Sebastian 1000 points, 48 models, 7 Dwarf bows hitting on a 4+ AND 7 bows hitting on a 3+ AND 6 throwing axes hitting on a 3+, 33 D6+ models, no fast units but 3 Might for Heroic March, 14 Might points Floi and Radagast can get extra Will from Bombur, Thorin gives us a more resilient army leader, we get Terror Dwarves/healing/Immobilize from Radagast, and two banners from the champ. To break us, we need to lose both Thorin and Bombur OR Radagast OR 23 Moria Dwarves OR 25 models . . . I'm feeling okay about that. Tell me what you think!
Hey guys having some trouble with my Dunland LL list Thrydan 1x crebian 1x horseman 3x bows 4x wildman Chiefain 1x crebain 4x shields 2x bows 4x wildman Frida 2x huscarls 4x shield 2x bows 4x wildman ironskin 2x huscarls 1x banner no shield 4x shield 5x wildman 49 models, 11 might, 8 bows, and 2 crebains Was also thinking to drop the huscarls and get 2 more crebains and if I do that you think I could swap the captain for the oathmaker?
So glad any other competitive list outside of dragon emp got nerfed. I was just saying the other day that we needed a single army with an insane win rate that was brain dead to play
Listening to this episode while packing my stuff. If I end up playing against any of you there'll be some German chocolate
Please play against me! I will give you 12vps for some German chocolate hahaha
Good luck at Ardacon guys :) Would be interested to see a post-Ardacon vid where you cover any changes you made to your lists after the FAQ.
When this video was made obviously the nerfs were not yet introduced? Dragon emp rose even further with those nerfs on the other legions, anyway looking forward to seeing you guys 👍🏽❤
We made it last week...
please
😢🎉
Thats all we can do!!
Ooh I'll have to take a look! Looking forward to seeing you again this year.
Hey, I watched your channel and realized you are Dutch. Where are you located? (If I have not yet asked). I just moved to Hilversum and want to find some Dutch players.
Hey guys, greetings from Germany, big fan of your podcast here.
I wanted to see what you guys think about my list that I want to take to a tournament later this year. It's gonna be my first tournament, usually just play a lot with friends.
It will be 900 points and this is roughly what I have in mind for it:
Mordor/SerpentHorde
Razgush
2x Bat Swarm
2x Orc, Spear/Shield
1x Orc, Spear
WitchKing 3/14/3, Crown, FellBeast
8x Black Numenoreans
8x Morannons, Spear/Shield
2x Orc Tracker
Goroth
3x BNums
4x Morannons, Spear/Shield
3x Orc Tracker
Suladan, Armored Horse, LEADER
3x Harad Warriors, Bow
3x Serpent Rider
2x Watcher of Karna (Blades)
It is 45 Models.
Thought I want to go with something consistent and throw in some spicy bats.
Idea is to have the WK+Bat Assassin Combo, backed by a bannered up Blacknum+Morannon core.
Trackers for cheap numbers and two resilient 3 Might Heroes that can smack basic troops.
Bats could also be handy vs. big centerpiece armies at that points level (Sauron, Balrog?)
I think the numbers might be a little low but at this high of a points level I feel things will get clunky and numbers become hard to use effectively, thoughts?
For numbers, what would you cut?
I am a little afraid of F5 Troops (Easterlings).
The scenarios will most likely be (5rounds):
Pool 2
Pool 6
Lords of Battle
Divide and Conquer (My warbands might need work)
Reconnoitre
Excited to see what you think!
Keep up the good work, I always enjoy listening to your content!
A good trick for 'standard list size' between 400-800pts is divide by 10 and half it.
So a medium sized list at 650 is (650/10)/2 = 32 or 33.
Gondor list is nice, functional, safe, wont let ya down and has a couple of great value heroes (which is good at these medium sized games). But stale, everyone's played against it a trillion times. I can see it going nicely in the hands of a good player, but wont be troubling the top 5.
The riders of theoden list is another all the vets have played against. Gamling and Dernhelm combo is interesting. I find at smaller points means less turns, means less might is needed. I might have gone for Theoden/Deorwine/elfhelm or Eomer personally. You'd get a higher average quality of character, 12 might (including calling death) plus heroic combats for days from Deorwine. Again, a really nice and safe list, this one with a higher ceiling for skill input I think, but also more likely to draw a bad matchup in a bad mission here or there and get punished. If he's comfortable with cav kiting he'll go well I think.
The dragon emperor has that powahhh. An undercosted model as we know, plus all the free stuff basically makes him a 700pt army competing at 650. 8 might is very nice with a 3+ MOB on Rutabae. This is the evil version of the above gondor list hahaha. Less shooting but the drum makes it go fast. Nice list, maximizing the emperor and his benefits is going to be important.
I love helm hammerhand, I think he's brilliant for casual/competitive games. I have played against foot helmsguard a LOT. Very reactive, slow with poor shooting and if helm is outclassed (Beorn, Aragon, Dain, Elendil, any elf lord) the list is in trouble. Monsters are a problem too because they force helm to engage on the monster players terms (or it'll hurl your army to death) The missions interactions with your throwing weapons will define your games imo. Very cool list, but I'd be aiming for a top third finish or top 25% finish with a list like that. Going for a fun, casual competitive time not a top tables time.
The Serpent hoard army scares me. I peed myself a little. A nice bit of f4 cav, 17 bows, 20 throwing weapons. Damn. Sallydan is great value, you can play a defensive offence where you draw the enemy in and then pick them apart in a series of favorable micro engagements (which is how I love to play). This list is in the same category as the rohan list for me. If well piloted the sky is the limit.
We have a 1000pt event coming up - could you guys review this list? I call it an "absurd soup list":
Balin the Dwarf, King of Moria
6 Dwarf Warriors with shields
6 Dwarf Warriors with Dwarf bows
6 Dwarf Rangers with throwing axes
Floi Stonehand
6 Dwarf Warriors with shields
6 Dwarf Rangers with bows
King's Champion
2 Heralds
8 Dwarf Warriors with shields
1 Dwarf Warrior with Dwarf bow
1 Dwarf Ranger with bow
IMPOSSIBLE ALLY: Thorin Oakenshield with Orcrist and the Oakenshield [Army Leader]
Bombur the Dwarf
IMPOSSIBLE ALLY: Radagast the Brown with Sebastian
1000 points, 48 models, 7 Dwarf bows hitting on a 4+ AND 7 bows hitting on a 3+ AND 6 throwing axes hitting on a 3+, 33 D6+ models, no fast units but 3 Might for Heroic March, 14 Might points
Floi and Radagast can get extra Will from Bombur, Thorin gives us a more resilient army leader, we get Terror Dwarves/healing/Immobilize from Radagast, and two banners from the champ. To break us, we need to lose both Thorin and Bombur OR Radagast OR 23 Moria Dwarves OR 25 models . . . I'm feeling okay about that. Tell me what you think!
Hey guys having some trouble with my Dunland LL list
Thrydan
1x crebian
1x horseman
3x bows
4x wildman
Chiefain
1x crebain
4x shields
2x bows
4x wildman
Frida
2x huscarls
4x shield
2x bows
4x wildman
ironskin
2x huscarls
1x banner no shield
4x shield
5x wildman
49 models, 11 might, 8 bows, and 2 crebains
Was also thinking to drop the huscarls and get 2 more crebains and if I do that you think I could swap the captain for the oathmaker?
I want to try a list but i am not sure if it is worth a try, its 3 Cavedrakes and 2 Bat Swarms. Do you think it is possible to make this list work?
So glad any other competitive list outside of dragon emp got nerfed. I was just saying the other day that we needed a single army with an insane win rate that was brain dead to play