@@nics-systems-electric I mean with that logic then your saying the 3030 is a bad panel due to it having a cpu fail light ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The 3030 is a beast of a panel tho
Edwards Durabels and those Edwards Motor Bells are Canadian only, right? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of systems down here in America having them, only Adaptabels.
The different detector you saw looks to me like a siga2-ps assuming that the system is addressable. Those detectors are now discontinued because they can cause false alarms. Cool video!
Couldn't blame the school for putting up drop ceilings if they were originally dealing with noise problems between classes (especially during times like pop quizzes/tests) or something like that.
I had an EST addressable panel and that damn cpu fault didn't ring the sounders on a small electrical fire that triggered 3 smokes! sure thing I saw the smoke on the cameras because our cameras have thermal and smoke detection also as a backup because these ESTs man, it's dumber than a brick sometimes
@Hmmm_Hmmm Supposed to disconnect until manually restarted (the dust collector systems)... having worked in a school shop as a student, I've seen the systems shut down when the alarm activates.... I don't know why this school doesn't have it set up accordingly.
Yeah I’ve noticed that too it makes sense if it only flashes once a second and you’re taking 60 frames per second instead of 30 you’re doubling the chance that the camera takes a picture at the same time strobe flashes
Fire alarm pull stations in bathroom that’s actually uncommon I’ve seen a couple In rest area the one I’ll give you that I saw was a EST Gennis system and that bathroom had a 270-SPO In there it was next to the West Virginia/Virginia State line on I-64
They decided out of all of the panels they could use they decided to use a QuickStart. Every single Quickstart should be replaced. I would rather have a version 1.0 firmware 6820 then a POS Quickstart. I wouldn’t even wish a Quickstart on my worst enemy unless it’s Exit Sign Guru.
@@nics-systems-electric Well if that QuickStart gives me a CPU fault I can go to my church which has a QuickStart that isn't in use (the building is protected by a Notifier System 500) and take it off the wall and power it up then get another CPU Fault
Because there used to be a piece of glass that would slip down in the metal sides that you would have to break before pulling the pull station but they removed the glass years ago and did not remove the metal sides
23:28 My district uses blue/amber strobes like those for lockdowns, I dunno why the didn’t just go with clear lenses strobes, I dunno if its a code thing in BC as to why they are blue or if it was just customer preference. I need to get my hands on the Alberta Fire Code XD
Blue strobes have to be used if it’s to show the location of an annunciator or an alarm in a specific building that all is monitored by one large system to show which individual building is active
@PICKLE 700 - SYSTEMS & ELECTRIC Oh, so it's like a location thing to show where an annunciator is, or if the building has multiple panels a blue strobe could indicate what building the alarm is in? Interesting.
The quickstart was prob the worst system EST released. Its known for CPU, programming, alarm, and reset issues. Pretty much all EST appliances have these issues but the quickstart takes the cake. At least the IO series kind of made EST go from “dumpster fire” status to “Poor Mans Simplex” status. Still though, EST has some major work to do.
Yeah I know it’s silly the school district basis the need to upgrade on age of system not reliability the system is only five years old but terrible but they would still upgrade an old Edwards 6500 that’s been going for 40-50 years and would still do more before they would do a five year old system that could fail any day
@@nics-systems-electric If you get that panel when they replace it (because I am sure they will because it is an EST QuickStart), you should overload the panel with that big transformer of yours! Haha! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@IanGSully that’s the problem my school district so f****** stupid they are replacing panels by age not reliability they don’t understand that a perfectly good Edward 6500 is way better than a failing five year old Quickstart
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You know a panel is bad when it comes with a dedicated CPU failure light
Yes exactly LOL
It felt like Edwards knew that the QuickStarts will get CPU Faults so they put that light on.
@@nics-systems-electric I mean with that logic then your saying the 3030 is a bad panel due to it having a cpu fail light ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The 3030 is a beast of a panel tho
You know its also bad when it conjures up random conditions on startup 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂😂😂
I’m guessing Edwards lost a lot of quality when they were bought by Carrier.
Edwards Durabels and those Edwards Motor Bells are Canadian only, right? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of systems down here in America having them, only Adaptabels.
Possibly I’m not sure
Convince your company to let you water board these quickstarts to tell us why they keep dying
The different detector you saw looks to me like a siga2-ps assuming that the system is addressable. Those detectors are now discontinued because they can cause false alarms. Cool video!
Bell just dont sound like fire alarm like the other ones to me. Just makes me think class is ending or starting or something.
Buildings normally don't have pull stations in washrooms, but why do the washrooms in the portables have pull stations?
Because they exit to right outside
@NIC'S - SYSTEMS & ELECTRIC it looks like the est genesis alarms are horn strobes with only the strobes hooked up
Strobes
Couldn't blame the school for putting up drop ceilings if they were originally dealing with noise problems between classes (especially during times like pop quizzes/tests) or something like that.
I had an EST addressable panel and that damn cpu fault didn't ring the sounders on a small electrical fire that triggered 3 smokes! sure thing I saw the smoke on the cameras because our cameras have thermal and smoke detection also as a backup because these ESTs man, it's dumber than a brick sometimes
There pretty cool alarm
(info) you cant have any alarm device blocked by anything so the pull blocked by bins is indeed a code violation
Correct
Pull stations in bathrooms? That sounds like a huge alarm pulling magnet
Hasn’t been an issue just in the portable washrooms
Just curious, why are dust collector systems in shops connected to the fire alarm system? Upon activation of an alarm, what happens?
@Hmmm_Hmmm Supposed to disconnect until manually restarted (the dust collector systems)... having worked in a school shop as a student, I've seen the systems shut down when the alarm activates.... I don't know why this school doesn't have it set up accordingly.
23:30 I found that strobes don’t show up that well on camera below ~60FPS
Yeah I’ve noticed that too it makes sense if it only flashes once a second and you’re taking 60 frames per second instead of 30 you’re doubling the chance that the camera takes a picture at the same time strobe flashes
Are the Pull Stations Addressable? Or Conventional? I think that the Smoke detectors are Addressable, are they?
Conventional I think
@@nics-systems-electric All of them?
12:04 OK that is the funny part🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Fire alarm pull stations in bathroom that’s actually uncommon I’ve seen a couple In rest area the one I’ll give you that I saw was a EST Gennis system and that bathroom had a 270-SPO In there it was next to the West Virginia/Virginia State line on I-64
It’s because it’s a portable building so the exit from the bathroom is right to outside so it is required there
They decided out of all of the panels they could use they decided to use a QuickStart. Every single Quickstart should be replaced. I would rather have a version 1.0 firmware 6820 then a POS Quickstart. I wouldn’t even wish a Quickstart on my worst enemy unless it’s Exit Sign Guru.
Would you wish one on da Guru? Lol
@@queencitysirens8755 You know what sure, after all the lies he told me about several people, give him a QuickStart (with a CPU fault already in it)
@@SomeDudeWithAnExitSign You can probably have this one soon lol
@@nics-systems-electric Well if that QuickStart gives me a CPU fault I can go to my church which has a QuickStart that isn't in use (the building is protected by a Notifier System 500) and take it off the wall and power it up then get another CPU Fault
@@nics-systems-electric how come your not testing the fix heat detector
Who do you test the fire alarms with?
My school district electricians
Canada loves their Edwards
16:53 PULLLLLL STATIONNNNNN! 🤣🤣🤣
Why are some of the pull stations mounted in those funny looking frames where you can't even get a full size screwdriver in there to open it?
Because there used to be a piece of glass that would slip down in the metal sides that you would have to break before pulling the pull station but they removed the glass years ago and did not remove the metal sides
Are the durbells older than the 439Ds?
Yes
@@nics-systems-electric What year are both bells from?
@@bcrproductionsofficial I’m not sure I would guess the durbells are from the 50s or 60s and the 439d is probably from the 90s
Any idea what the difference is between the Durabel and the Adaptabel?
I’m not sure I would have to look at them side-by-side
Cool
I gotta better name for that panel. Instead of EST QuickStart QS4... It's EST ShitStart SS4! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is true
@@nics-systems-electric I hope they replace that system this year! Do you think they are?
@@IanGSully definitely won’t
@@nics-systems-electric Have you or one of the electricians submitted a complaint to the district about this system and what adverse behavior it does?
23:28 My district uses blue/amber strobes like those for lockdowns, I dunno why the didn’t just go with clear lenses strobes, I dunno if its a code thing in BC as to why they are blue or if it was just customer preference. I need to get my hands on the Alberta Fire Code XD
Blue strobes have to be used if it’s to show the location of an annunciator or an alarm in a specific building that all is monitored by one large system to show which individual building is active
@PICKLE 700 - SYSTEMS & ELECTRIC Oh, so it's like a location thing to show where an annunciator is, or if the building has multiple panels a blue strobe could indicate what building the alarm is in? Interesting.
@@TemporalEngineering yeah exactly mostly so fire department can find the annunciator easier
OH NO I GOT A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS
Nice Video
29:21 Cool Background
The quickstart was prob the worst system EST released. Its known for CPU, programming, alarm, and reset issues. Pretty much all EST appliances have these issues but the quickstart takes the cake. At least the IO series kind of made EST go from “dumpster fire” status to “Poor Mans Simplex” status. Still though, EST has some major work to do.
Absolutely
Big system, Nice job!
Seems like there aren't enough alarms to hear everywhere
Some spots are a little quieter but it’s still pretty good still better than horn strobes would be
Surely those gigantic bells are a little overkill for a tiny washroom?
A little bit but it’s also got to be loud enough to do all three bathrooms with one bell to go through the walls
@@nics-systems-electric Ahh true, over here in the UK we usually only have VADs in toilets with sounders nearby outside.
Who puts an Edward pull station in the little sprinkler system building.
Someone that knows the rules
Is this your old middle school
Yes
OW MY EARS
16:53 lol
I look forward to the day you find a school with Adaptahorns in it.
This school has adaptahorns for class changing bells outside
@@nics-systems-electric I mean DC Adaptahorns. My bad.
@@Goldenrod636 I don’t know if they’re AC or DC they are just round horns
Those different detectors would be SIGA2-PS's.
Quickstart panels are trash! Time to upgrade at that school
Yeah I know it’s silly the school district basis the need to upgrade on age of system not reliability the system is only five years old but terrible but they would still upgrade an old Edwards 6500 that’s been going for 40-50 years and would still do more before they would do a five year old system that could fail any day
Great video!!
9:20 Nortel T7208 😁
They’re gone now
@@nics-systems-electric nooooooo
@@firefone8127 yeah the school went voice over IP
Why are they all bells?
Because that’s what was installed for the system
Its Canada
So why would you get a random alarm on that panel? I know it's a piece of shit, but still, why would it go into alarm randomly?
EST for ya
@@nics-systems-electric If you get that panel when they replace it (because I am sure they will because it is an EST QuickStart), you should overload the panel with that big transformer of yours! Haha! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@IanGSully that’s the problem my school district so f****** stupid they are replacing panels by age not reliability they don’t understand that a perfectly good Edward 6500 is way better than a failing five year old Quickstart
@@nics-systems-electric Absloutly!
@@nics-systems-electric I don’t understand how your school district thinks.
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Oh gosh it is a QS4
Next fault is going to be a CPU Fault lol
yep
Well fuck Simplex! EST is not as good as Notifier.
EST = Extremely Shitty Technology
12:03 What the heck?
That’s the pre-alarm warning
@@nics-systems-electric Oh.
lots of est