@@olivercarlsson2841 well ye because how can you not have salah and van dijk in the top 3, even the biggest Liverpool haters couldn’t be that delusional. Salahs numbers speak for themselves and yet Tom still always hates on salah.
Caicedo was good for like a ten game period when Chelsea were winning . They've been dog shit for weeks now. Gravenberch has been unreal in every game this season and is a massive reason Liverpool are six points clear
@@ryanprice934 playing for a better team doesn’t make him a better player overall, just because Chelsea as a collective have been in poor form, doesn’t make Caicedo a worse player. Trying to claim Gravenberch is ‘levels above’ Caicedo is just disingenuous and blatant bias, you’re obviously 10 years old
That was brilliant. Theo with the Gravenberch shout and Lewis going mad about Isak was fantastic. Also, we should be glad Lewis is not Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool fan. The amount of people that man would rattle is unreal 😂 he is elite.
Rodri is the best CDM in prem history. Salah is the best RW in prem history. Your point comes down to nothing more than what formation you use for your all time.
@ryanprice934 Wow, no chance. Kante isn't even close to Rodri, Vieira, and Keane, only two close. Rodri is a more rounded player than both and far better in shooting/passing
@@ethanstrudwick9617 Kante was the main reason Leicester won the league. There's an argument rodri doesn't even get in city best 11 . David Silva yaya toure de bruyne Bernardo fernandinho.
I mean thats more due to the fact theres more great DM's than RW's. Also Rodri has the same pull for DM as Salah has RW in an all time 11. You can go either or, im having Rodri #1 in a top 10 personally
Reev and Tom going crazy over Theo having gravenberch in 10 while tom has caicedo in 7 is so strange 🤔 say what you want about Lewis but he’s the only 1 who calls out Toms bs
I’ve watched every game Gabriel has played for arsenal and I can’t believe people think Saliba is better. He’s younger and has real potential with his composure and positioning but Gabriel genuinely is better as a defender, scoring goals(somehow people say is bad), and even Saliba days Gabriel is the leader of the back line.
lewis cant comprehend that sometimes you use different logic for different questions, "last month you said something completely different for a completely different question"
9:52 I honestly dont think thats a bad shout ,Gravenberch has been incredible this season and thats why i feel it gets a bit confusing when youre doing best players in the league right now on ability but not current form
The reason Gravenberch is such a bad shout is because they’re doing a top 10 all time best premier league players list of this generation, NOT of this season or form.. they explained that in the video multiple times… Gravenberch is a great player but he would not make a top 10 all time best player list of this generation with just doing good half a season.. yall gotta listen & comprehend 😅
@@seedless4165 no no I get that, but throughout the video the guys picked some players on the basis of this season aswell, cause if you're going of best players of the generation KDB should be in.Altough I know that's not what you're trying to say, sometimes the concept get mixed up IMO.Cause yes Upon consideration I do Agree Gravenberch cannot be put into the list of top 10 players in the PL
there not doing ability right now there doing career for active players. gravenberch has had 6 good months when most of this players have had multiple good seasons
So what constitutes how good a player is in the league they only have to be good for Liverpool? How other players play in other teams doesn't mean anything?
Why’d they act like Salah ain’t the best player itw rn and hasn’t had a better career than Rodri, who will probably drop off a bit due to his acl injury anyway
Can we avoid Thogden being on again as he is legitimately a moron thinking Martinez should be on this list. Lewis should go back to being silent because I honestly can’t fathom how he comes to the decisions he does, he was either dropped on his repeatedly as a child or your doing this as some kind of ‘make a wish’ thing for him. Finally the less said about Theo the better.
Form is a few games, Gravenberch isn’t in good form that’s just how he plays. His performances are miles ahead of any cdm in the league it’s not even close he does everything.
Tom used to be the smartest one here. But not admitting gravenberch has been the best cm in the league, or at least not saying better than caicedo is ridiculous.
theo has a point. Cannavaro doesnt get into an ultimate premier league team but has a ballon dor. rodri might drop off massively after he comes back and with his age he might not even make a difference to the city team even though its unlikely, where as salah definitely gets in and stays in for years to come.
@joeheller5879 I think he means hypothetically if Cannavaro played in the prem and won a ballon d'or, he still probably wouldn't make it into an all time prem 11
Predictions (no cheating): - Thogden will be boring. ✅ - Tom will have Bernardo Silva in his top 10. ❌ - Reev will have Salah at 1, Haaland at 4, Isak at 8, and Palmer at 7. ❌ - Theo will have no Newcastle players, Saka at 4, Saliba at 5, Ødegaard at 7, and no Trent. ❌ - Lewis will have Bruno G and Isak at 10 and 5, respectively. ❌Oh my god…even worse than I thought.
Theo is absolutely right calling Tom a twitter merchant for caicedo. Tom thinks he knows so much ball and will get credit from twitter fro caicedo cos he thinks it's somewhat a rogue shout even tho caicedos been pony the past like 7 games while gravenberch has put in an 8/10 performance literally every single game. He's been absolutely miles clear of caicedo. It's literally not even close
I actually think Theo has the best list,Salah is so clear of everyone else in the prem and Tom saying that Rodri should be ahead of him bc he won a ballon door is a bit contradicting,especially when Rodri had very weak competition and Salah is the best player in the world rn,also please get thogden off the podcast
I understand that Lewis just says things he doesn’t believe to argue that Newcastle players are the best, but to humour the argument: - it clearly isn’t just relevant that Haaland has one more goal than Isak now. Their respective performances over the last few years are clearly relevant - it is completely disingenuous to suggest that saying Isak is a better ‘all round footballer’ (which looks at how good the player is at doing a variety of things) is the same thing as the others previously admitting he is a better player. The constant insistence that people are contradicting themselves is exhausting
Maybe I am stupid or something but "Current best players" is a little ambiguous, if it is current players ignoring injuries and form has nothing to do with it, how can Bruno Fernandes appear on the list and not KDB. Although Isak is a very good player, I don't think he gets in and realistically if you are taking players who are still playing for their clubs and have proven themselves over the past 5 seasons or so, Martinez should be nowhere near the list, neither should be Caicedo, I genuinely think that the only player who doesn't play for Man city, Liverpool or Arsenal, should be Cole Palmer. 1. Salah 2. Rodri 3. Van Dijk 4. Kevin De Bruyne 5. Haaland 6. Saliba 7. Palmer 8. Alisson 9. Saka 10. Odegaard The only player I feel who missed out for me is Foden, and if I was asked last season he would be there instead of Odegaard but I just think that Odegaards impact on his team is greater than Fodens.
can’t wait for lewis to name 8 newcastle players!
Isak, pope, guimares, gordon, botman,joelitnon. They do have 6 atleast.
@@fugaziishimeno
@@fugaziishimeLewis’ burner account?
@ fml, you're worse than lewis
@@twinpeaking8heard of a joke mate?
Never have Thogden on again, saying Martinez is a stinker
Never mind, Theo said Gravenberch, he fits in well
@@MrDanedoits really not that bad having gravenberch
@bobbob6978 agreed, good player but I still don't think he makes a top 10 list
@@MrDanedo No where near as bad of a shout as Martinez tho
@@MrDanedo I kinda agree but hes been top 3 midfielders this season so should be included
Can already tell that Theo is going to make me kick a wall in with his takes
Maybe because you decide that before you see it so you look for flaws, Tom's and Thogdens lists are actually worse
@@unclebensrice4702 weird ain't it how they just jump on the theo band wagon😂 Lewis is the most delusional fker on here 9 times out of 10.
Just wait for Lewis' list lad
Tom’s list was way worse
@@unclebensrice4702well that’s because Theo usually has bad takes and then comes up with bad excuses for them and makes it worse 😂
no beto is crazy
It's best players not worst
Hes joking pal@@unclebensrice4702
@@unclebensrice4702 I think he understood
Yea right now on form, youre right
beto clears isak tbf
Martinez even near the list is a horrible take
To be fair he has won the worlds best gk title
For a world cup that happened two years ago. @dannyowen1217
@dannyowen1217World Cup blindsided everyone
@ he was the main reason villa got champions league last season
@dannyowen1217 No lmao 🤣 . It was Watkins being on form and scoring a lot more
I'm assuming Lewis has Isak above the likes of Haaland, Salah and VVD.
2 for 3
Tom hates Liverpool and it really shows
It’s just boring
Two of his top three are Liverpool players mate
@@olivercarlsson2841 well ye because how can you not have salah and van dijk in the top 3, even the biggest Liverpool haters couldn’t be that delusional. Salahs numbers speak for themselves and yet Tom still always hates on salah.
Tom laughing at Gravenberch when he has caicedo is mental. Gravenberch has been levels above caicedo this year
He really hasn’t
Caicedo was good for like a ten game period when Chelsea were winning . They've been dog shit for weeks now. Gravenberch has been unreal in every game this season and is a massive reason Liverpool are six points clear
@@ryanprice934weird way of saying you’ve got 1/2 a brain
@@guyfisher881 good response to the argument there fella . Explain how I'm wrong
@@ryanprice934 playing for a better team doesn’t make him a better player overall, just because Chelsea as a collective have been in poor form, doesn’t make Caicedo a worse player. Trying to claim Gravenberch is ‘levels above’ Caicedo is just disingenuous and blatant bias, you’re obviously 10 years old
That was brilliant. Theo with the Gravenberch shout and Lewis going mad about Isak was fantastic.
Also, we should be glad Lewis is not Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool fan. The amount of people that man would rattle is unreal 😂 he is elite.
Tom calling Theo's Gravenbech criminal and having Caicedo at 7 is actually hilarious
Lewis is actually off his rocker
Theo is correct Salah is a prem great and there's a debate for him to be in prem all time 11. Rodri doesn't get in it .
Rodri is the best CDM in prem history. Salah is the best RW in prem history. Your point comes down to nothing more than what formation you use for your all time.
@ethanstrudwick9617 kante is above Rodri . you pick a 4-3-3 rodri isn't top three midfielders in prem
@ryanprice934 Wow, no chance. Kante isn't even close to Rodri, Vieira, and Keane, only two close. Rodri is a more rounded player than both and far better in shooting/passing
@@ethanstrudwick9617 Kante was the main reason Leicester won the league. There's an argument rodri doesn't even get in city best 11 . David Silva yaya toure de bruyne Bernardo fernandinho.
I mean thats more due to the fact theres more great DM's than RW's. Also Rodri has the same pull for DM as Salah has RW in an all time 11. You can go either or, im having Rodri #1 in a top 10 personally
Rare Theo w with gravenberch
Common Theo L with that take
@@liamdrake7778watch football. If you do and have still come to that conclusion, just stop watching.
@mukarrabali exactly why hazards better than salah
Helluva video idea lads! Loving the new content
Reev and Tom going crazy over Theo having gravenberch in 10 while tom has caicedo in 7 is so strange 🤔 say what you want about Lewis but he’s the only 1 who calls out Toms bs
I’ve watched every game Gabriel has played for arsenal and I can’t believe people think Saliba is better. He’s younger and has real potential with his composure and positioning but Gabriel genuinely is better as a defender, scoring goals(somehow people say is bad), and even Saliba days Gabriel is the leader of the back line.
lewis cant comprehend that sometimes you use different logic for different questions, "last month you said something completely different for a completely different question"
Respect Tom for appreciating Caicedo
9:52 I honestly dont think thats a bad shout ,Gravenberch has been incredible this season and thats why i feel it gets a bit confusing when youre doing best players in the league right now on ability but not current form
The reason Gravenberch is such a bad shout is because they’re doing a top 10 all time best premier league players list of this generation, NOT of this season or form.. they explained that in the video multiple times… Gravenberch is a great player but he would not make a top 10 all time best player list of this generation with just doing good half a season.. yall gotta listen & comprehend 😅
It's very simple, Gravenberch has been great. But if you take Caicedo and put him in instead of Gravenberch then Liverpool would be better.
@@seedless4165 yet nothing was said for Caicedo who was absolute pony last season lol
@@seedless4165 no no I get that, but throughout the video the guys picked some players on the basis of this season aswell, cause if you're going of best players of the generation KDB should be in.Altough I know that's not what you're trying to say, sometimes the concept get mixed up IMO.Cause yes Upon consideration I do Agree Gravenberch cannot be put into the list of top 10 players in the PL
there not doing ability right now there doing career for active players. gravenberch has had 6 good months when most of this players have had multiple good seasons
salah third these lot needa pack their bags
Should be 1st across the board
how has gravenberch not been the best midfielder in the league this season behind virg and mo hes been our player of the season
Id have Macallister in there too
So what constitutes how good a player is in the league they only have to be good for Liverpool? How other players play in other teams doesn't mean anything?
Lewis with the biggest howler of the year
Why’d they act like Salah ain’t the best player itw rn and hasn’t had a better career than Rodri, who will probably drop off a bit due to his acl injury anyway
reev and tom acting like theo putting salah at n1 is a war crime... not even outrageous mate
Somehow he still has foden over saka, absolutely mental
Agreed
Never thought I’d see the day that Theo has the best list 🤯
Caicedo hasn’t been better than Gravenberch this season NEEXT
Can we avoid Thogden being on again as he is legitimately a moron thinking Martinez should be on this list. Lewis should go back to being silent because I honestly can’t fathom how he comes to the decisions he does, he was either dropped on his repeatedly as a child or your doing this as some kind of ‘make a wish’ thing for him. Finally the less said about Theo the better.
I fully agree he should never be on again
Reev cooked that list is spot on🔥
Thogden leaving everyone speechless with his first pick.
Form is a few games, Gravenberch isn’t in good form that’s just how he plays. His performances are miles ahead of any cdm in the league it’s not even close he does everything.
Reev doing Lewis killed me
How can thogdan go to so many games and still be that clueless
As a Mexican, reeves beanie gave me a jumpscare 1:28
i swear rodri is the most overrated prem player, hes great, but HOW are u telling me he is better than salah?
Thogden fits right in, give him a contract
Should just change the channel name to List Side
Having Thogden on is actually a good addition
Another sensible debate, keep it up lads. 👍🏻
Thogden saying respect the keepers whilst alternatively disrespecting the keepers by not putting the best keeper in the world in
Tom showing he actually watches football having caicedo
Thogden needs to retire from his show and never make an appearances on any footy show
Kicked my newborn bc of theos list. Have a lovely monday
Love how Lewis’ first words on camera are wtf at the Isaac comment 😂
The fact that Thogden still believes that's how you pronounce Caicedo... what a idiot
I love Tom garratt, his football knowledge is off the charts
Caicedo best midfielder in the prem is a shocking take by the way😅🤣 gravenberch is miles clear
stats prove otherwise
@@jah5076 eyes prove gravenberch is better
Them imitating Lewis killed me 😂
Theo L standard procedure
19:05 🤣🤣🤣 Lewis getting violated
Bruno over Saka is absolutely criminal. Theo should be ashamed of himself
New Theo is just as bad as bald Theo.
Martínez arguably doesn’t even make the top 30, having him top 10 is a war crime
Tom used to be the smartest one here. But not admitting gravenberch has been the best cm in the league, or at least not saying better than caicedo is ridiculous.
its based on ability not form 😂
@ gravenberch is miles clear of caicedo on the ball and just as good defensively… so he has greater “ability” 🤣
pickford has got to be in this
Everyone gives Theo shit for being bald but Lewis' hairline starts in Newcastle
If this is just the best players like they’re saying and not form then Son getting no shouts is insanity
The only thing Theo attacks is the first aid box!
As a United fan I’d take Haaland’s stat padding right now😂
Lewis is insufferable. I love it.
Emi Martinez in the top 10 is *almost* as bad as Tom almost allowing Bukayo Saka in an all time 11.. L Theo.
Martinez in the top 10 is pathetic man
10.Allison
9.bruno f
8.Palmer
7.saka
6.de bruyne
5.isak
4.haaland
3.salah
2.rodri
1.Van Dijk
theo has a point. Cannavaro doesnt get into an ultimate premier league team but has a ballon dor. rodri might drop off massively after he comes back and with his age he might not even make a difference to the city team even though its unlikely, where as salah definitely gets in and stays in for years to come.
almost like cannavaro didnt play in the prem
@joeheller5879 I think he means hypothetically if Cannavaro played in the prem and won a ballon d'or, he still probably wouldn't make it into an all time prem 11
Predicting two Newcastle players from Lewis
The Martinez pick epitomises why Thogden is unbearable
19:10 you guys can stop here, glasses started talking
Predictions (no cheating):
- Thogden will be boring.
✅
- Tom will have Bernardo Silva in his top 10.
❌
- Reev will have Salah at 1, Haaland at 4, Isak at 8, and Palmer at 7.
❌
- Theo will have no Newcastle players, Saka at 4, Saliba at 5, Ødegaard at 7, and no Trent.
❌
- Lewis will have Bruno G and Isak at 10 and 5, respectively.
❌Oh my god…even worse than I thought.
lewis used to be gaslighting when he is losing an argument, now it's evolved into gaslighting and just lying with no shame
Literally like listening to Btec students discussing football
never let thogden cook
Lewis' whole argument is isak is a better footballer than haaland and then he goes and puts allison in his top 10
Caicedo been better than gravenberch what is Tom smoking is he alright 😂
Why the overreaction to Theo putting in gravenberch when Tom put in caicedo there’s not much bettween them ?
Had to skip that Lewis rant. Couldn’t handle hearing that
Theo is absolutely right calling Tom a twitter merchant for caicedo. Tom thinks he knows so much ball and will get credit from twitter fro caicedo cos he thinks it's somewhat a rogue shout even tho caicedos been pony the past like 7 games while gravenberch has put in an 8/10 performance literally every single game. He's been absolutely miles clear of caicedo. It's literally not even close
Literally like a month ago Tom said Cole palmer was the best player in the world and now he’s only 5th in the premier league come on man
I'm 5 mins in and I haven't heard a single forest player, But I've heard Martinez, Foden, Saka (Injured)
Tom hates thogden so bad
I actually think Theo has the best list,Salah is so clear of everyone else in the prem and Tom saying that Rodri should be ahead of him bc he won a ballon door is a bit contradicting,especially when Rodri had very weak competition and Salah is the best player in the world rn,also please get thogden off the podcast
If this isn't based on current form, how has Kevin De Bruyne not even been mentioned?
Martinez is an abismal take
Kulusevski better be on this list!!
I understand that Lewis just says things he doesn’t believe to argue that Newcastle players are the best, but to humour the argument:
- it clearly isn’t just relevant that Haaland has one more goal than Isak now. Their respective performances over the last few years are clearly relevant
- it is completely disingenuous to suggest that saying Isak is a better ‘all round footballer’ (which looks at how good the player is at doing a variety of things) is the same thing as the others previously admitting he is a better player. The constant insistence that people are contradicting themselves is exhausting
The disrespect towards forest every week by these lot is unreal
what forest player gets in?
watching theo thogdan and lewis go band for band with the worst possible list is absolutely generational
Isak has a better output than Haaland. Isak 106 mins per goal. Haaland 112 mins per goal. Also Isak has more assists.
Lewis just never stops dropping L’s. Was a decent convo till he started waffling garbage again
SALAH is easily number 1
Maybe I am stupid or something but "Current best players" is a little ambiguous, if it is current players ignoring injuries and form has nothing to do with it, how can Bruno Fernandes appear on the list and not KDB. Although Isak is a very good player, I don't think he gets in and realistically if you are taking players who are still playing for their clubs and have proven themselves over the past 5 seasons or so, Martinez should be nowhere near the list, neither should be Caicedo, I genuinely think that the only player who doesn't play for Man city, Liverpool or Arsenal, should be Cole Palmer.
1. Salah
2. Rodri
3. Van Dijk
4. Kevin De Bruyne
5. Haaland
6. Saliba
7. Palmer
8. Alisson
9. Saka
10. Odegaard
The only player I feel who missed out for me is Foden, and if I was asked last season he would be there instead of Odegaard but I just think that Odegaards impact on his team is greater than Fodens.
The world cup is a lower standard of football than most of the top leagues.
thogden has worse ball knowledge than malfoy and lewis combined
Luis Diaz better be in this before I watch it
caicedo slander is criminal (tom knows ball), from the guy who put emi martinez is INSANE
Lewis has done well to be the least likeable person in a room with Thogden in it
Isak 3rd best player and bruno 7th and haaland is 9th LEWIS GET CHECKED PLEASE THIS IS NOT NORMAL
I can’t wait until Isak leaves Newcastle so Bowden doesn’t have this argument every week
Gravenberch has been the best midfielder in the league
Haaland has more non-penalty goals than Isak in the league. If you're going to pursue an agenda, at least read the stats right.
Petition to not have Lewis create a list again