Espresso PARADOX.. - Londinium VECTIS Review

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  • @Horologiist
    @Horologiist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    1 year ago i looked out to replace my Rancilio Silvia with another machine that allows me to steam while brewing and not to surf for the right temp any longer. I looked the market what fancy machines out there and what impressive tech they provide. PI, PID, ramp up and ramp down, flow control and pressure profiling... Then i realised all this tech is about imitating spring lever profiles. A tech thats around for almost 100 years. Its simple and reliable and if something breaks up one can repair(!) it. At home! Finally i got myself a Bezzera Strega from second market and all i can say is: Its THE game changer! So i no longer focus on tech and things around but on the beans and the drinks.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup you nailed it!

    • @TF.520
      @TF.520 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm about to do the same thing. Why'd you go with the Strega vs Pro 800, Londinium, or others?

    • @Horologiist
      @Horologiist 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TF.520 one version of the strega comes with a pump. Great if you cant plumb it in.

  • @caffeinated_slacker
    @caffeinated_slacker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Excellent review, you hit all the important points. I own a Vectis from the initial batch (and a Londinium Compressa) and completely 100% agree with everything you said. Well done!

  • @CaldwellCoffee
    @CaldwellCoffee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Great overview of the Vectis! I’ve owned 5 espresso machines in 15 years and the Vectis is hands down my favorite one. It’s hard to make bad espresso on it 😄

  • @nelsonnicklebee
    @nelsonnicklebee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Awesome video! Thanks also for all the Scace data you put in the comments.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Of course! Always looking to add more helpful detail!

  • @matiasnruffa
    @matiasnruffa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My first espresso machine was a restored '65 LaPavoni. I learned how to make espresso with it, and then bought an Ascasso Steel Duo, which is my daily driver. With that said, making coffee with a direct lever machine is a totally different experience. Is a lot more involved and rewarding when done right.

  • @make725daily1
    @make725daily1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is a hidden treasure I've been looking for! Subscribed, and I'm already inspired! - "Value the journey; it molds you into something extraordinary..."

  • @CH-yp5by
    @CH-yp5by 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Finally you review a really good machine thats all about taste as opposed to those Ascaso machines, just a true manual machine that is built to last eons ! You did mention Olympia Cremina and it is the Rolex of lever machines, literally twice the price or more depending on import tax and they also have spring lever version. This Londinium Vectis is the next machine I want to buy, its just amazing and there is a specific minimalistic romance to it, a beautiful counter top piece of art for the house.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am planning to really open up the scope of machines I review, both higher end and lower! This was a fun one!

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DaddyGotCoffee Try a Europiccola, basically the same thing as a Cremina for a lot less $$$ :D

  • @pdxrunner
    @pdxrunner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    With my small kitchen, the height of the lever is a deal breaker.
    However, your "emotional" analysis if pulling a shot on the machine is what is missing from most all other reviewers. The process of making espresso is why we are home Baristas. The process, the art, is perhaps more important than the shot. I almost miss my manual ROK, with its work flow. The art if my Lucca X58 HX is in itself a daily morning symphony of heat, water, prep, pull , steam. A dance that I then become the audience when sipping my Latte.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hear you! The process is def a factor - and it’s brilliant with this one!

  • @braxtonjens7839
    @braxtonjens7839 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is at the top of my home machine list since it's so easy to pull great shots. Also, this machine will probably last forever.
    "If your like a tweaker", like an adjuster" one of my favorite lines in this video.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As soon as tweaker came out of my mouth, I had to clarify 🤣 I really enjoyed using this

    • @braxtonjens7839
      @braxtonjens7839 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DaddyGotCoffee nice save there!
      Those dang coffee tweakers!
      I’ve had a La Pavoni for years now, that I scored at a yard sale. But it’s too manual and fussy for everyday use. And my wife doesn’t want to use it.
      For now a Breville bambino holds down the small easy to use machine.

  • @cher128bx
    @cher128bx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh my God!....I am currently in the market for my first espresso machine and watching tons of videos like yours to help me decide which would be right for me. I absolutely would feel comfortable shelling out $2000+ dollars for the Vectis. Actually, I was sold on the $3000 Lelit Bianca but, now my mind has been persuaded toward going for the Vectis. Who knows, ultimately, I might end up owning 2 machines, and two grinders as I have blissfully fallen through the coffee rabbit hole and loving every second.

  • @troyheffernan1261
    @troyheffernan1261 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok, you nailed it on rubbing the sleep out of your eyes. My wife said good morning babe you made hot water this morning. I forgot to put in the coffee. 😂
    The tall lever can be a problem for me. But i believe i have a fix for that for the company. A slip over locl cap and a hinge half way up the lever. You can store the handle in the upright position with the lever in the down position. Just an idea for an aftermarket part. ❤

  • @orrinbelcher6593
    @orrinbelcher6593 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love it, beautiful espresso machine, super fun and wonderfully done.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed and thank you!

    • @orrinbelcher6593
      @orrinbelcher6593 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DaddyGotCoffee You’re welcome sir ☕️😊

  • @bolerkai
    @bolerkai 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I basically only do pour-over, but if I were to get into espresso, this would be a very attractive option.

  • @palefire
    @palefire 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Beautifully done!

  • @LightZone9
    @LightZone9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've always wanted a lever machine. In fact, it's been between the Vectors and the Odyssey lever machine. That would be a great machine to review as well. The Odyssey is a Colorado based company. And the price is about 1/2 of the Vectis.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would love to review the Odyssey!

    • @sonorguy1
      @sonorguy1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The argos is a great machine (I borrowed one for a week), but the lead time is TBD. I still have mine on order. It's tough for me to choose the londinium when it has fewer controls and I don't care about boiler size.

    • @caffeinated_slacker
      @caffeinated_slacker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have an Argos on order and a Vectis at home. Really looking forward to comparing them. They are very different approaches to a simple dipper design.

    • @tcl7563
      @tcl7563 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Buy both!😂

    • @caffeinated_slacker
      @caffeinated_slacker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tcl7563 This is the way 😋

  • @Spasticuss
    @Spasticuss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great review. I want one. I like silence coffee

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s a vibe for sure 🔥

  • @JonneytheKidd
    @JonneytheKidd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely a beautiful machine. But let’s be real here, for the price for their $3.800 machine, you can get a dual boiler ECM Synchronika and still have $800 for a decent grinder.

  • @tcl7563
    @tcl7563 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lovely looking machine!

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agreed here!

  • @Rick9482
    @Rick9482 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice machine and priced right and it would be my choice over the Argos even at double the cost. Just the fact that you can use the lever without supporting the machine is reason enough. The Argos is a nicely built but just too bare bones.
    I've had a Decent for 3 years and not about to change but I do use a lever profile all the time.
    If your still on the fense about getting a Decent then I simply urge you to take the leap. I can't possibly think any reason a serious coffee drinker could be unhappy with a Decent machine. Infinity possibilities are at your fingertips via the tablet screen.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much! The only thing holding me back is saving up the cash - will def be worthwhile for the channel but I’m still setting aside the dough to make it happen!

  • @idopeso
    @idopeso 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It may be true that this lever machines are easer to use. But there's a thing you should have in consideration. Do not let lour face be in the way of the lever when your're cocking it. Don't do it, please. Other than that, you still need to dial your grinder, prep your puck... Still, this seems a nice machine.

  • @TheMartinChnnl
    @TheMartinChnnl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd much rather buy this machine that a La Marzocco or a Slayer machine for the home. It's build to last, simple to use and maintain and will give you endless morning smiles... For the price point, it's even much better machine that the much more expensive Olympia Express because it has a spring which does all of the work and also because it's probably way better for steaming. BTW, you forgot to show us how it steams.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agreed! And… it’s got PLENTY of power for steaming! I’d often de-pressurize a bit prior because it’s so intense at full pressure! I might even suggest a single hole tip to tone it down a notch

  • @AlphaTenkai
    @AlphaTenkai 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I do believe you can hook this up to a smart switch and schedule out a turn on/turn off time for it although it’s not through the machine itself and to refill the boiler I believe there is a work around for that as well using recycled heat without having to wait as long but I can’t speak on the specifics of it, I would have to reference back to an owners video on it. Even with those two things though this is such a great lever machine, I can’t wait to order mine soon. Argos was a close second but I think the extra weight and faster lead time is worth it

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I know owners use the steam created while depressurizing the boiler to preheat their water in a milk pitcher etc. Good idea - I just tried to time my refills to when the machine was off

    • @AlphaTenkai
      @AlphaTenkai 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah it would be interesting to know the difference in time between the two and for most home use cases would never be needed anyways, I wouldn’t imagine

    • @Jadamson321
      @Jadamson321 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have mine set up to a smart switch - so it turns on 20 mins before I wake up.

  • @anyidulike
    @anyidulike 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would totally buy it, if I had an expensive grinder. If not, I would need to tweak the espresso through the espresso machine (different temperatures, pressure etc)

  • @issythis3642
    @issythis3642 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent review, Justin! Couldn’t agree more!!!
    Can you provide details/link for the nifty pressure-reading device you used?
    Thanks!

  • @nasonwise2904
    @nasonwise2904 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have a vectis and I love it. Quick question: my espresso drops begin with the sides of the basket rather than uniform across the basket. Is it worth troubleshooting to get a nice even pre infusion drip? Also, do you generally keep preonfusion < 10 sec?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I mean if it tastes good I’d say just ride it. I had some doughnut and others spot evenly. Generally, I would wait for spots across the whole basket before releasing the lever. Regarding preinfusion, this really depended on the coffee. For decafs and darks I did it super quick. Light roasts, I’d preinfuse the snot out of it. Sometimes 30+ sec

    • @nasonwise2904
      @nasonwise2904 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DaddyGotCoffeethanks!

    • @Jadamson321
      @Jadamson321 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another Vectis owner here - the donut effect is normal with the included basket due to it's curved sides. It's really nothing to worry about. If you use a more straight walled basket it will be more even but you may not notice much difference in the resulting espresso.

  • @brownzys7299
    @brownzys7299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive got the 9barista for myself for christmas and I am incredibly happy with it its simple its beautiful there isnt anything besides ammount and grind size of the coffee to adjust it gives a similar vibe as this. would love to try a vectis especially since it is able to steam milk which would be kind of cool to be a possibility

  • @helipeek2736
    @helipeek2736 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ll stick with my Cremina, thanks

  • @troyheffernan1261
    @troyheffernan1261 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Right off the bat i liked this machine because the higher temperature will give you the gold cup standard and take the flower taste right out of the of the final product. I do have one question. Parts Accessibility and warranty time?

  • @marcozg77
    @marcozg77 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It looks cool but I prefer my Flair Pro 2 direct lever.
    And if I would like to spend money in this price range for a lever, it definitely would be the Cremina.

  • @jeffwells0123
    @jeffwells0123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ultimate workflow in the best form factor for the home! Wish i could justify spending on a second lever when i already have an endgame espresso machine - the flair 58 🤪

  • @jameschang2736
    @jameschang2736 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the review. Is the maximum pressure 7bar shown in this video 2:30?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just under 7 bar, yup!

  • @jclinton7471
    @jclinton7471 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice review. Do you know how many shots you get between refills?

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What did he say it's a 1.8L boiler or something? That's a LOT of shots. I don't think it would be a problem besides for commercial type use. If it uses 100ml per shot that around 12 shots safely I'd estimate (you don't want to run any boiler bellow a min level though!).
      My La Pavoni Europiccola has a 800ml boiler I've made 6 espresso shots on it on one tank, plus steaming some milk with it! Of course the shots I'm doing on that machine are with 15 or 16g coffee in and about 30ml out.
      I haven't done this myself but I've seen people say they remove boiler pressure by letting all the steam out (using the steam wand) with the machine off, then they can open the boiler (Seems a bit scary if it's still hot! I'd make sure there's NO pressure/ steam left in there! or just be patient and wait before refilling).

    • @Jadamson321
      @Jadamson321 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a Vectis owner (unlike the other guy who is well off) you can get 4 comfortably, maybe up to 6.

  • @iconindexsymbol
    @iconindexsymbol 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How good is it for light roasts? People like Brian Quan and John Buckman always talk about the “water hammer” on the R24 and others being great for light roast, which the Vectis doesn’t have since it’s dipper fed. Is it still great for light roast regardless?

    • @CaldwellCoffee
      @CaldwellCoffee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I've had good success with the Vectis pulling lighter roasts. You can flash heat the group by pulling water through the group without the portafilter, and then quickly locking in the portafilter and pulling the shot with longer preinfusion.

  • @steph8408
    @steph8408 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Daddy. What's the heat up time and the steam power etc? Also is the spring lever group a version of the CMA group they have in their other models? Cheers.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I dropped some more detailed notes in my description on warm up. Have a peek and if that doesn’t answer your question feel free to follow up ☺️
      Regarding steam power… it’s a lot 😂 I would often de-pressurize the boiler a little before steaming to take the power down a little.
      Re Group - it’s a brand new proprietary group design. I’ve seen some rumblings that it’s actually superior to the CMA 👀

    • @steph8408
      @steph8408 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cheers.@@DaddyGotCoffee

  • @BensCoffeeRants
    @BensCoffeeRants 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lever machines are generally very nice and forgiving. I used manual lever machines but never a spring lever, can't you adjust the pressure a little manually by manipulating the force on the lever as it goes back up?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can, but it’s not generally the recommended mode of operation. You can only increase the pressure, not decrease, and it’s also not going to be the most consistent or stable. Doable though!

  • @lolcat23
    @lolcat23 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What accent does "Daddy" have? I just watched Geoff the accent guy, so maybe my mind was primed for this. But I just noticed how the "u" vowel in "pull" tends towards "pall", also "maximum" moves towards "maximam". Obviously i'm not saying "Daddy" can't speak or that he says "pAAAHll", just that the "u" is moving slightly towards "a".
    Also, I'm hoping the Meticulous will perfectly straddle the gap between complicated when you want it, simple when you need it (by making a londinium profile :D)

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha!! With friends around the world regional accents tend to come up often me and my buds! To answer - I'm Canadian - specifically from Central Ontario! I've noticed that for some things I'm not the stereotypical "canadian" accent but for others I'm bang on lol! And - the Meticulous is absolutely a very exciting release - can't wait for them to start hitting!

  • @Cos27O
    @Cos27O 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How do you like your Zerno? I’m trying to decide between it and the Honne.

  • @wkapteijn
    @wkapteijn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the design and mechanical feel & simplicity of the machine. Honestly way out of my price range. Heat up time is also pretty significant but given how huge the boiler is that is understandable. Any idea of there are similar type of lever machines under a grand?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      None that I am aware of, unless you go manual (ie flair et al). Levers tend to be a little pricier

    • @AlphaTenkai
      @AlphaTenkai 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Only one I know of really would be the Argos (950 usd) but shipping and fulfillment time is TBD until they get on a better timeline production wise

  • @dfk41
    @dfk41 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did you miss the fantastic build quality includes the drip tray cover lifting up on the left corner?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This was shipping damage, not a faulty build.
      Some context: several launch edition vectis’ (including this one) were damaged in shipping due to poorly designed packaging. Typically they bent at the drip tray. Londinium supplied replacement parts to fix the issue. Most of the time a drip tray bracket remedied the issue. The owner had received this part and I replaced it on this vectis. The drip tray insert itself was also slightly bent but that was not obvious until the new bracket was installed. At the time of filming the owner had not received a new insert from Londinium.
      To my knowledge the packaging was redesigned and this is no longer an issue.
      Having worked on the inside of the machine and replaced several parts, I was 💯 impressed with the build.

  • @back_to_the_bike8820
    @back_to_the_bike8820 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    there's a version of the Olympia Cremina with a spring.

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup!

    • @LightZone9
      @LightZone9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And it's beautiful, but at almost 4k....ouch.

  • @jacquesolivierv
    @jacquesolivierv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video ! Thanks. looking to replace my bianca for this ! What’s your thoughts? Was looking for the Profitec Pro 800 but won’t fit ( in depth)

    • @jacquesolivierv
      @jacquesolivierv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just saw the Ember mug. Assuming that don't fit under the portafilter ? Thanks!

  • @felixfilion8811
    @felixfilion8811 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is that a water spout under the level indicator?

    • @CaldwellCoffee
      @CaldwellCoffee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's the anti-vac valve drain spout

  • @sedelstein
    @sedelstein 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good review. Thanks for posting. How about milk steaming?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      PLENTY of power. Sometimes I would actually depressurize the boiler a bit before steaming

    • @sedelstein
      @sedelstein 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DaddyGotCoffee you mean readjust the p-stat, or just vent some steam through the wand?

  • @TheSiggi10
    @TheSiggi10 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have tried to find the information in this, but i can’t find anywhere if it states how much water can be in the chamber in the grouphead?

  • @LorenzoNW
    @LorenzoNW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are there any advantages to the Vectis over the Argos Odyssey which is half the price and has PID?

  • @RiotBike
    @RiotBike 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What’s the water reservoir volume like?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no reservoir, you fill the boiler directly and it is 1.8L. This has the disadvantage of needing to cool/depressurize the boiler before filling

    • @billweaver2549
      @billweaver2549 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DaddyGotCoffee How do you know when it's nearly empty?

  • @MayanPatel1
    @MayanPatel1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    worth upgrading from my cafelat robot?

  • @nickcooper3494
    @nickcooper3494 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was that a Fracino bottomless portafilter?

  • @regisk1977
    @regisk1977 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Comment cette machine gère la température ?

    • @DaddyGotCoffee
      @DaddyGotCoffee  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m not totally sure what you’re asking. It will cycle the heater on and off based on the detected temperature inside the boiler. (Hotter - higher pressure).
      I did put some temperature data in the description. Temp of shots will generally start off higher than you expect and drop off 15-20 degrees over the course of the shot. Combined with the declining pressure profile the taste is favourable and forgiving.
      Something common with dipper designs, they overheat when left on for long periods. This one is no different

    • @regisk1977
      @regisk1977 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Merci pour la réponse 🙏 c’est dommage qu’à ce prix là, il n’y ai pas de PID.

  • @munkeescrotum
    @munkeescrotum 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice

  • @Spasticuss
    @Spasticuss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What make is that grey metal grinder next to the londinium?

  • @ende421
    @ende421 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can see a Zerno there.

  • @jacobpetersen5662
    @jacobpetersen5662 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lance Hendricks obviously has no idea what he is talking about in terms of this style of machine, ha ha ha. Quite obvious he didn't know.

  • @acecarolino101
    @acecarolino101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find the price too steep

  • @johnl.7582
    @johnl.7582 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Background music is really distracting.

  • @KingMinosxxvi
    @KingMinosxxvi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    seriously?!

  • @zypang1447
    @zypang1447 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ROFL, manual espresso machine with a $1500 water boiler, hilarious

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is actually their more budget friendly option! There are more expensive ones. Look at the Cremina price! It's a fancier Europiccola basically.