What REALLY Happened to Cisely Amid a Generational Curse? | Eve's Bayou Fan Theory & Film Criticism
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even if Louis didn’tkss her first or assault her, we cannot deny the fact that he is the one who blurred the lines between them and the first place.
Tbh in Louis eyes that was his baby girl, to everybody else she was viewed as a daddy's girl which there's nothing wrong with that. Because of her impairment in perception, It was only through Cisely eyes that that was her man. She didn't know her place that's why her mom had to put hands on her. One thing I will say When it comes to a man in his family having time is important because as you can see, they all want his attention, and they are all competing for it and sometimes this cause issues between the women in the house because they either turn on each, turn on the man or someone looks for that affection somewhere else. In this situation the mother stuck beside her man and both daughters turned on the father Cisely Lied on Louis and Eve sought to have him killed.
@@BigBossKandie23wow that’s was deep
@BigBossKandie23 Thank you! She talks crazy to her mother twice, disobeys and gets her hair cut and styled exactly like the mom, which is why she got slapped. I think Roz saw where she was going which is why she forbade Cisely from waiting up for him.
@JloveLamar I do not think the slap was because her style was similar to the mother, it was the way Cisely was recounting her trip to her father and salon. The tone was defiant and very disrespectful. The scene were she forbade her from waiting up on fir him is certainly telling us she felt disturbed by her daughters actions with the father.
I have a theory, bare with me. I know this might sound crazy, but I think when the father died the curse was lifted off of Mozelle. She said at the end that she had a dream that she was drowning, And she could feel herself leaving her body or something like that, And she says she heard her brother's voice said just let go ( something like that). What if In order for a person not to be affected by the curse, there needs to be sacrifices involved. What if Mozelle's husbands were sacrifices to protect her brother's life. What if there was a karma effect between the two? Mozelle's Karma has been catching up to her for years, while her brother was able to get away for cheating for a good while without any real repercussions. His death would be a sacrifice to rebalance everything so Mozelle can have and keep love.
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Interesting indeed... 🤔
😮 I love this take!! I can actually see this being a reason. Now I’m going to rewatch it with that thought in mind, because I bet we can find something that relays this. Mozelle constantly says “My Brother and I are of 1” and language and word choice plays a part in the movie with their language switching and relaying Shakespeare lines. The cultural beliefs of twins are said to be 1 spirit split into 2 beings
Pretty cool 💯💯
@agirlnamedkris6374 Thank you 😊. I also think Eve accidentally ended the curse. Maybe in order for the curse to be broken it required a sacrifice (Mozelle's brother). Also it would clear up the prophecy the wife gotten at the market. She said : You're in pain, and as an end to your problem but not one you imagine. Stay quite, sometimes a solders fall on its own sword, LOOK TO YOUR CHILDREN". Which means her husband was the source of her unhappiness because of his cheating. It was his cheating that ended his life; she said look to your children. I believe it was a prediction of Eve's involvement with her fathers death. "In three years time you will be happy again" meaning three years after his passing, you will be happy again, that could mean she could meet another man or something else.
The fortune teller showing up at the funeral, I fell is a indicator that she is the one who placed the curse on them. Just theories.
@@HeitCheriI want another take on eves bayou on the man Lenny do you think Louis would of been shot/killed if his daughter Eve never told Lenny despite the voodoo shit on him?? And also do you think Louis children avenge him once they got fully grown/adults?? Another one what was the aftermath of the shooting at the bar,between Lenny and Louis family etc??
Cicley was doing to much as a kid it baffles me no one saw the weirdness they both displayed both dad & daughter
So agree
I think it goes back to what the aunt I can't remember her name said. That she could see the future for everyone but herself and people close to her. And it's the same way with abuse ESPECIALLY when the abuser is someone you love. It's so obvious to outsiders but you want to think the best of those you love. That no matter how far they are that they would never stoop so low. So it blinds you. It's not that you CAN'T see what's going on. It's that you don't WANT to see the truth
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@@WhitneyDahlin She was blind to her own life. She couldn't see far into the future's of her own husband's, but she could see into her family if they allowed it. That's what she meant by blind to her own life. She wanted to peer into Eve, but Eve purposely blocked her from seeing it.
So often I read how many people blamed Cisely, like little black girls are often blamed. The energy over this family was beyond what Cisely "did" because she was "fast." It's so much deeper than that but she got the blame. So sad. Can't wait to watch this!
I think we have to establish what exactly happened before we can fully have this discussion. It's difficult because what happened was left ambiguous.
@@HeitCherithere father exposed them to way to much bad time period
Can you be specific? I agree that the father exposed them to being hurt because of cheating on their mother, but please be more specific about other things he exposed them to.
@@HeitCheri the little girl caught him with another women maybe Cecely did to and that’s were the taking up for him began and there scotch and conversations her standing up could have been from her father and her cracking jokes about the mother and considering the time period a lot of girls how to cook and care for children and a lot of fathers just came home and didn’t pay to minds to there kids and even now people out there kids in adult situations. She could’ve seen her mom was weak so she disrespects her. Like woman now who do that they think they won’t be like there mom and turn out just like her wit a man like they dad. And thinking about gender norms of that time would they have had anything in common
I see what you're saying about the effect of the father's cheating. I also think that he saw Cisely as a young lady in training, so this notion that she was learning how to serve drinks when she was waiting for him and when they had the party in the opening scene could fall within her future role of entertaining guests in the home. She was indeed learning how to be a woman just like her mother... Despite the fact that she saw her mother as weak and driving the father away.
The curse seems like OLDDDDD beef, but also maybe just jealousy because there was a prophecy that they would be rich.
Also , I do think he SA cisely, she changed her entire demeanor like she wanted to get back her innocence
Disgusting some people think she would lie about that
I am disagree. Louis did not SA anyone of his kids. Cisely loved her dad and looks at him as he 1st boyfriend so when she grown up she will have a blueprint already laid out the type of partner she looks for. Louis admired her love for him. That’s all. ❤
‼️Also everyone's forgetting about the original Eve! Why would they tell us about that original couple if it had nothing to do with the story?! The original story of Eve and how she was given land by that guy and had 16 of his kids. It was implied he wasn't married to her and she was the other woman. It never said she was so thankful she married him and had 16 of his kids. It said she was so thankful that's probably why she had 16 kids with him. And then Eve says we are all descendants of them. I think this whole family started out of infidelity and this whole family is cursed to die by it. To never find true love. It will always end tragically. Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy. The themes are showing that this is a tragedy. Their love lives will ALWAYS be a tragedy!
I don’t think Mozelle told Julian about the curse. I think she thought of it like everyone dies eventually so it maybe early and it maybe later but they will be happy and together until then. If she was smart she would just stay engaged till they die of old age 😂
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Did she tell her other husbands about the spell?
because if she didn’t and she’s trying to tell Julian, maybe that’s her setting course for a different path..
@@MindbytesXL we don’t know but that’s a good point maybe if she acknowledges it to the person she falls in love with it could break the curse for her
You know, now that I htink about it, Eve's Bayou was about hopping back and forth between lines and realities. Sometimes they treated Eve like a child, but then gave her adult duties and privy to adult conversations. Her old sister still being a child while her body transitions to a woman. Always a dance of in-betweens if you will. Even a bayou by definition can be a lake, or a slow moving river, or a swamp...etc.
Very interesting.
Just a theory…
But in the opener when she says “The summer I killed my father” vs. the ending “the summer my father said goodnight”
I kinda feel like in the end he was telling the truth, “saying goodnight” I personally took as an implication that he was resting in peace. As opposed to the opening of “killing my father” to where he’s kinda painted as a monster or this bad man that deserved to be killed. Idk just a thought. Great work as always yall!!❤️
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He should have never said anything else to Maddie Monroe after he and she were caught by Mr. Monroe. He told Louis not to Never talk to Maddie ever again. Yet, in his Pride and Arrogance he told Maddie Monroe "Goodnight"!. Mr. Monroe trust both of them and loved both of them. He even referred to Louis as his brother. Louis and Mr. Monroe were both drunk and alcohol influences behavior or gives those false courage to do things they would not due while not under the influence. If Louis would have just keep quite and left with Eve to head back home and let Mr and Mrs. Monroe go on their way, he would not have been shot by Mr. Monroe. Louis was responsible for his own death. Also, Eve did not need Elzora's help. Eve dropped seeds while talking to Mr. Monroe at the open market. He Adventually saw the truth for himself. The Irony of it all is that it was not the heartbreak and scorn of the women in his life that to vengeance on Louis but the heartbreak and scorn of a man who loved him like a brother.
I kinda think the dad did SA cisley bc she had that inappropriate energy towards him throughout the whole movie and he never addressed it.
But don't you think there needs to be more evidence than that to say he SA'd her? I know many folks believe this, but there were other explanations for her behavior too.
I don't think she was violated. I think she fell in love with her father, and he didn't correct the behavior. IMO, he was used to being adored by women and maybe didn't see Cisely's behavior as inappropriate.
@@HeitCheriMy only hesitation on it not being…that. Is her freak out over the period. Because her panic over that implies that something has to end between the father and her hence her panic and mourning. It could be that it’s just that she’s not a little girl anymore and can’t fall into the playing house fantasy anymore, but it feels shadier than that given what having her period implies.
I always beloved mozzel couldn’t see the future of her lovers because they didn’t have one. Kinda like once they met her their fates were sealed and they no longer had a future that’s why she couldn’t see it. Similar to twilight when Bella got pregnant, Alice couldn’t see her future anymore because she was gonna die.
@21:21 I think Mozelle believes it will work but she also understand that Eve is a child of science. Her Dad is a doctor and her mother seems to be more conservative than spiritual. Moz knew she could only tell Eve so much.
Y'all had me until Mozell not being able to read Eve being part of the curse. I don't see it that way, the way Mozell said "fine" leads me to think Eve is blocking her from seeing. They both have the gift and you can infer that Eve has the potential to have a stronger power because she blocks Mozell from seeing
Whether it's part of the curse or not, the point we were making there is that she wasn't able to read Eve. Some people disagree on this and think she was able to read Eve. Obviously, this is all speculation, so there's room for different ideas.
Eve was definitely blocking her out. Would be interesting if they had the same gift and curse
Small theory:
Maybe Elzora‘s family is familiar with the Batiste family, and each generation has watched each others family curse…. maybe the curse started with each of the families.
Could be...
This theory REALLY made me want to write a pilot for a series based on the Original Batiste family possibly set in the 1920’s with The parents of Mozelle and Louis
That's insane..I said something similar this curse is generational and wicked!! So Zora the witch comes from a long line of witches and this curse is based on love and heartbreak 💔 so something went down..with love and deception between her family and the Batiste women 😮😮
@@tiffanybrown2968 oooooh I like that, that's a good one too
I sure hope that they used stunt doubles for that kissing scene between Megan Goode and Samuel L. Jackson! 🤢She was a little girl and he’s a grown man. Annnnd, I felt so bad for Po! We already knew that Cecily was his favorite child and Eve was a second thought, but you never see Lewis interact with his son in this movie. It’s almost as if Po doesn’t even exist!
This is the dilemma with child actors in controversial scenes. Back in the day, I remember how Brooke Shields was in nude scenes with a grown man when she was a child. She talked about how terrible she felt about this in her recent documentary Pretty Baby.
This storyline has never made any damn sense to me and y’all broke this down real good and now I feel dumb af 😂😂😂
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This was one of the best movies ever written! So many facets to it. ALL of the actors performed brilliantly. I’m so glad they took their time picking each one. You know what, they should do a live play on this. 👏🏾
Have y'all seen the Director's cut of the movie? They have a brother who's mute. He sees everything
Yes. We discuss that in this video. You probably haven't gotten to that part yet...
I've been trying to find the director's cut of this movie.
It's been a while but I remember on the DVD commentary it was revealed that Julian does not die and he and mozell do get married. The director wanted to show a glimpse of everyone older but was unable to.
My perspective
I always thought that Cicely somehow developed the belief that she could take her mother’s place as a last resort to save the family. I don’t really think that she was romantically attached but more so territorial about him because they loved & adored each other so much. With her attempt to save the family she let things go too far (being sassy & defiant, the hair cut & the kiss) She placed herself in an adult position that wasn’t her place. She wanted to leave out of embarrassment & resentment. Love your breakdown of the film ❤️
i just clicked on the video did not watch yet and im soosoosososooooo happy yall talking about this because i was going back n forward bout this for YEARS
Maybe it's a curse of the first born girl. Whoever she loves will be doomed to die! Maybe Grandmere is the first born girl of her siblings ( her husband died) Moselle could be the eldest between she and Mozelle and Cicely is the eldest girl of her siblings
I like this theory. I really want to know who cursed her.
I really like this theory!
✨Controversial Perspective: This story reveals multiple storylines from varying perspectives NARRATED by an unreliable child perspective combined with everyone refusing to acknowledge any truths.
When Louis came home and Cecily warned him about the mom, wife/sister being mad, they likely were aware of her “hints at womanhood”, the overzealous attempts to “please” Louis.
His approach to everything is questionable and manipulative to someone at all times. 1)He has no respect for patients and knows he does the bare minimum. He sells dreams with no shame (see the pack around the lady’s neck was provided by Mozell , insinuating that she believes that by wearing it, it works) 2) no loyalty to his friends 3) no respect for his wife -he doesn’t bother trying to hide his infidelity. 4) his arrogance- he talks smack unnecessarily 5)he sees tension building between Cecily & his wife but loves to ignore it… he even encourages it at times 6) his lack of boundaries. No self respecting physician is dumb or blind enough to not see the inappropriate sexual nature of Cecily. He likes it because he expects all women to be “accommodating “ and it’s an unspoken thing that is understood by everyone.
His inappropriate nature is disregarded due to his patriarchal position, his occupation , his ability to provide, and position within their society, and the lack of options women believed to have at that time. This still occurs to this day but families often keep these things very hushed to avoid uncomfortable situations. No man appreciates when the ladies disturb the peace .
What if Cecily had been somewhat groomed? This was kind of standard when teaching young ladies how to operate even if we like to pretend that our ancestors didn’t partake in such practices. The grooming was subtle but created an environment where her actions while inappropriate, were never scolded until mom peeped game. What if he did tamper with her after the slap? He was drinking and already admitted to not meaning to hurt her. How far did he go before HE FELT LIKE HE SHOULD STOP? Can we trust either of their stories???
When Eve begins to taunt her, I immediately felt it was not a period. She never mentioned pms symptoms and seemed fine until that interaction. Eve found evidence of something and assumed it was a period. The mom never put much effort into caring to know. Louis was a lil too confident and almost disassociated considering everything that occurred . I felt like he knew it wasn’t a period due to his memory of the actions. When Eve starts yelling to tell, Cecily takes her rage out on her bc she was trying to heal and she was very triggered. I also noticed the discomfort more apparent when he entered the room and she told him to go away. Even if it was only a kiss, Louis should have established boundaries long before. She was entirely too old and too comfortable sitting in men’s laps. Her mom may have had an inkling of the truth all along but back then we had to be demure and submissive. When she tried to intervene, Cecily was determined to demonstrate her womanhood.
Overall I love how it makes us all think. We could watch it together and see it completely differently. Idk if he did it but also… based on his interactions elsewhere, whatever she said he did, he did. It didn’t feel sincere when they told her she could go but they wanted her to stay. What I heard was “ You’re pregnant by your father and this is hard for all of us. I love you but I’m weak. I don’t want to let your father “FIX” you ( get rid of it) due to the risks, so go off and have it secretly & you can return. All will be well again Dear!” Louis was like “Dang … I think I might’ve done a lil too much. Take a vacation babycakes. You deserve it. We good right?”
They actually both had the nerve to dismiss alllll those signs for that length of time and found it easier to just send her off. Then her eagerness to go combined with the finger over the lip at Eve was almost making me believe that I should just go along with what she said too!😂
Thanks for your detailed comment. There's so much to unpack here! Because there are so many of the occurrences are cloaked in ambiguity, we all are left to speculate on what actually happened. The only thing I'll say for now is that, from my view, the speculations ought to be in line with the likely facts that we do know.
Also, I don't think that Eve is an unreliable narrator simply because she is a child... Especially considering that adult Eve is telling the story, having had years to process all that happened through the lens of adult eyes. Eve was probably the most reliable storyteller in the film.
The question of whether we can fully believe Cisely or Louis is completely valid and compelling. When the director speaks about the film, this was her point. She wanted Uncle Tomey to be the holder of the truth of what happened, while at the same time leaving it as a mystery for the audience since he couldn't speak.
Again, thanks for your comments! ❤️
Wow this was a well written and detailed synopsis and interpretation of this classic movie. Watched this film numerous times as a kid and that scene always gets to me. I agree with a lot of your commentary especially of Louise's character and the events that happened with Cecily.
He's the perfect example of someone that abuses their power and role whether it be in society, in his profession, in the community he serves and especially as a husband and father. He utulizes his power and influence in a manipulative manner and because of his lack of regard for everyone he essentially chose his own demise by the decisions he made. Everyone else seemed to be affected by his decisions. Well said!
Cisely reminds me of Lisa Rae and her dad. She adored her father and hated her mother. It's weird and if there was molestation that would explain it, but that's not why she's doing it.
Small theory:
I think Mozelle‘s new dark stranger is what lifted her curse… maybe.
I think when he drew her picture that lifted the spell.
Because he wanted to do right by her, and not just marry her without divorcing his other wife, and that promotes some type of show of morals that may have been positive enough to pierce the spell on Mozelle.
Interesting... I have a few questions. Why would the painting of the portrait lift the spell? What made Julian any different from her other husbands? The other men she married were moral, loved her, and wanted the best for her too.
@@HeitCheri because psychics always tell you that a tall dark handsome stranger will come in to your life and change it for the better
so that’s what I assumed that he was especially the way he appeared with such mysticism…and that everything that he did from that point on was a part of the spell breaking.
Thanks for explaining. Something to think about for sure...
See. I love your videos. They make me think about things I never considered. I never thought about how quickly Elzora snatched the $20 from Eve until y'all put it into context. For even more context, $20 in 1962 would be equivalent to $200 in 2023. 😱 I completely understand why she reacted like that now. That lady STOOD ON BIDNESS. Literally! 😭
She was standing on bidness!!!! 😆
1:06:25 I don't think Mozelle couldn't read Eve. Quite the contrary, Mozelle saw something, and she didn't want to see anymore, so she moved her hand and let it go. And I think that's confirmed at 1:20:18
She absolutely saw why Eve was mad and confronted her brother because of it.
I always felt like mozelle was expressing her awareness of her power and her limitations. . She knew it was a possibility the ritual could work.. Because It's worked before in order for her to have Any knowledge of pulling that tactic out the bag.. BUT she is not God . And she knows if its not in the favor of God for it to work for that Lady.. then it will not work.. She can use her gifts, which are powerful.. But Thee Most High Has The Final Say..
Along with the intent of impressing humility amongst Eve. So doesnt get ahead of herself with Arrogance
I think Mozelle let go of the spirit of death during that dream when she said Louis told her not to look back when she saw her spirit drowning .. it's like when a dead person visits you in your sleep and you not supposed to go with them.. that may have been something freeing to her.
Mozell knows that it will work, but didn't want Eve to get too much information.
I think Cisely def had Electra complex......the nite she kissed her father I think she was expressing love how she saw grown women give their love to him and she was young and confused...this also shows how the father was a deviant in how he crossed the line at how he viewed his own daughter
The father was basically drunk and says that when she kissed him like a woman and he realized what was happening that he pushed her away and slapped her. Do you believe him?
@@HeitCherii believe he caught himself before he engaged in something he knew she was trying to do. That slap was for more for him…
I think he definitely caught himself when he realized what was happening. To me, the slap was more of a knee-jerk reaction to finding himself in this very awkward situation with his own daughter.
@@HeitCheri He lacked self control based on him openly cheating in a small community ....when he was kissing her back he saw her as the beautiful young lady she was growing into and in that split sec it was intimate for him he quickly snapped outta it and that's where the slap came frm
We'll never know for sure, so there's certainly room for speculation on this.
My perspective: I can't say it enough how much I appreciate the work you both do on this channel. I admit, I was always conflicted about the ending of this movie, but this video really helped clear up the confusion. I wonder how this generational curse impacted adult Eve and Ciciley. Did they ever get married? Can the curse be broken? If so, how? Also, Heit's honesty at the end is funny, but I don't blame him.
It would be interesting to see an updated version and find out what happened to Eve and Cisely. ❤️
Yes! I would be the first in line to see that. I love this movie. Never get tired of it.
Will be honest I feel like Eve was more upset her dad was messing with a woman in general opposed to messing around on her mom. I feel the girls had an unhealthy hero complex or love for their father. But that's just me.
They definitely had a hero complex and they all wanted Louis's attention.
Oooo I also had that theory too !!!
As a Haitian Black American women .. love this movie
Also my stepmoms lowkey may be a black widow 😢
My ideology was that he just died because aunt mozel loved her brother just as much if not also in a romantic way as well (unfortunately.. the curse also could have been because she fell in love with her brother after some inappropriate actions .. similar to an oedipus complex in a way that she loved men that were like her brother . Moreover , like how the Sicily was envious of her mother because of her idea of how he loved her
So that’s the whole curse right there.. like the prophecy that oedipus would marry his mother and kill his father (unknowingly)
But then again correlation does not equal causation
So many things can be true
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts
Ok... so halfway thru the video I was thinking Mozelles love for a second as well!! 😂
But, I think 1000 percent it is Cicelys inappropriate love that caused it and the curse is 100 percent generational..
Notice 1. Moselle and Louis don't look anything alike.... different dads???? And 2... Granny is alone!!! She clearly outlived her man and she isn't even all that old!!!
3. Cicely was an unreliable narrator, and a gaslighter. She clearly had some kind of weird personality disorder with all that she was doing. The matching her mom's hairdo and all that, parenting the siblings, etc. She was full on Hand that rocks the cradling the situation.
True true
They all have that curse but yea, Her love was way more powerful for her father.
Question, when Eve asked Zora where was her daddy and zora said he should be dead by now since she made a coffin, she mentions how he’s where all those other Batiste men are, when eve visited the grave where all her uncles (mo’s ex husbands) were, is that where Lewis will reside???😮 based on the evidence and clues in the movie then you guys’ theory sounds 100% right
Good question! I'll have to take a look back at that scene, but the question is whether the husbands were buried in the family plot where the Batiste men were buried. It could be two cemeteries or the same one. I'm not sure without going back to check.
Y'all just don't know how happy this video made ME!
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That lady literally said what's the issue when she said a soldier falls on his own sword which means Lewis is going to get himself into a situation that he's going to get caught up in because of the use of his sword with somebody he ain't supposed to be using his sword with IE Mattie Monroe she said look to your children because her children is supposed to be her strength and maybe ask what they know
I remember watching a video about the evolution of Black witches from the 30s to nowadays. This was one of the featured films, and the wording was “Elzora gave her a fatal voodoo spell to kill her father”. Before I watched this movie, I assumed the bag given to the broke woman would be a foreshadowing and the spell would kill the woman’s niece in retaliation. Had my original interpretation been correct, Eve would’ve had a real working kill spell to use and abuse as she saw fit (and ngl that sounds pretty neat and useful). After the way Mozelle threatened to kill Eve, I would’ve included her in the request as well. Had I been in Eve’s shoes, I would’ve got rid of her before she could conjure harm against me, family or not idgaf. God knows Elzora probably would’ve cast that one free of charge. Fantastic video! I wish more commentators would discuss and theorize about it.
I do believe there was inappropriate behavior between the two . Cecily was wife number two to their father . She was the wife that still believed in him that he can't do no wrong . Where as their mother being the wife and enduring the cheating for years she is jaded no longer believes the hype. Honestly the way she acted when she got her" period"( or broke her virginity), some people don't bleed directly, especially if the hymen weren't fully broken, it could rupture later on. Look she purposefully cut her hair from her childlike ponytale to a curl like her mother's style to show she is no longer a child she is grown. I believe they did things until her period came because now she could get pregnant so now those things they did before had to stop
Elzora seems like she has had a run in or 2 with a Batiste man
Could the curse be that Moezelles 1st husband went to Elzora to put the curse on her making it...
He love her soo much that If she ever dated or flirted anyone other than him that the guy dies and Moezelle be never able to find long lasting love
Dang, that would be a wild thing to do! 😆
“My Perspective “ As always I love y’all discussions! The 2 of you really make me think 🤔 about things that never crossed my mind!! Excellent discussion!
Love that!
Where can I watch it I gotta see it
“My perspective . “ lol secondly I feel that Julian would escape because Zora said “the next man that MARRIES you is a dead man. They didn’t get married yet. If I’m wrong on that quote I stand corrected
I think that was the quote. Julian should just have a promise ceremony or something to preserve his life 😆
Moselle basically told him like she aint go into detail but juilan was determined
Mozell did not tell Julian. She left it at I'm cursed and he felt that his love would lift or negate the curse.
Yall help me…and im being sincere…is this channel more for deep diving into theories and the other channel is for reviews? Cuz you know im subscribed to both either way 😂
Great question! We basically have three formats of videos: 1) full movie breakdowns 2) fan theories 3) general discussions about a movie or movies
You will eventually see all three formats on each channel. The main differences between the channels is the type of film each channel covers. This channel covers movies like Waiting to Exhale and Why Did I Get Married. The other channel (Axiom Amnesia) covers more hardcore hood films like Menace II Society and Boyz N The Hood. The new channel (Axiom Amnesia 2.0) covers more mainstream films.
The spider was the symbol that Eve had the same plight as her aunt, the Black widow . She had visions just like her aunt but hers were more powerful because she was able to even Block Mozelle from reading her
My Perspective: I can't wait for y'all to do beloved fr. I can't wait to see Heit's reaction to "that part". I've never been able to see Danny glover the same lol
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Mannn that touch me on the inside took me out
based off this careful analysis of the film it's looking more like the generational curse placed on Moiselle and handed down to the women in the family could also mean that Lewis being married to his wife, which makes her Moiselle's sister in law is why Lewis met his demise. I think this could be another possibility because it seems the curse takes affect when there's a marriage. WOW all I know is the more I think of it, the writing in this film was truly well done.
My Perspective! Thank you for these breakdowns ...
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If you've ever seen a crime committed forever looked into her eyes of a murderer you will be overwhelmed by the spirit that dwell in that particular person
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‼️If the father was innocent WHY DID HE WRITE A LETTER TO MOZELLE TO BEGIN WITH??! They live in the same house. All he had to do was let her hold his hands and see he was telling the truth. But he didn't do that, because he wasn't telling the truth. That's why he is only answering the accusations in a letter. Also it seems a lot like he's trickle truthing in the letter.
People often write letters to ensure that they communicate effectively. Also consider that writing a letter wouldn't be strange in the middle of the 20th Century. Finally, they absolutely did not live in the same household. Mozelle had her own house.
I'm excited for this i might have to watch it in chunks but I'm here. This is one of my favorite movies.
How interesting that was my theory too! ANNNND Diahan Caroll character put tge curse on them thats why she was playing along with Eve lol...hey! That was same theory you guys had glad people are seeing this also.
I don't think Mozelle told Julian the full truth. It seems like NOBODY EVER told the full truth in this movie. And I really disliked Cicely as a character. Her attitude and mental state throughout was extremely troubling. And I also think while Louis wasn't a bad father intentionally, He definitely showed favoritism toward his eldest daughter so much so that it showed and negatively impacted both daughters. It gave Cicely an unhealthy sense of importance over her sister AND her mother, and gave Eve insecurities and animosity toward her elder sister.
I think Julian would still have married her if she told him the whole truth. Her curse probably includes the men being unable to resist her. Even if they knew being with her would kill them eventually, one way or the other.
I agree that if a man gets out of the web before she falls in love with him, he's free. But if she still loves him, He gon die. She gonna make it happen especially if he were to leave her. It's like being marked
My perspective: I really enjoyed this video. Thank you.
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I think the reason why Eve became so upset is because she was looking straight into Sin!!
Ayye! Thank yall for this! I have loved this movie since I was young, and had to watch it in the daylight with the lights on😂😂 This was so fun and intriguing to watch!
MY PERSPECTIVE. Mozelle was wrong for not telling Julian the truth about her previous husbands, she wanted to breakdown the curse step by step to Eve & i would love to see you guys do a breakdown on Uncle Toomy.
I've seen Eve's bayou a couple of times. But watching this video put things in a different perspective. And I have to say Eve in fact did participate in the death of her father. This movie's perspective is from and through The eyes of a young girl a child. And like you said in this video when they were in the bar you needed to pay attention to the background noise. There are things that take place in the film that are just part of the background that you don't think are related to the overall story but the fact they are. Certain comments made about the major players that tell you something's about to go down. It starts early on in the film specifically the party that the Baptist family are throwing pay attention to the look on Lenny's face when Lewis is dancing with his wife Matty the look says something's about to go down. Every scene in the film that involves Lenny pay attention to the look on his face that is the look of a man that knows and has realized that he married a w****. A man that has been cheated on by the same woman on dozens of occasions. Also pay attention to the relationship of Lewis and Lenny Lewis and Lenny are boys they go back play wave caps and you know that Lenny has confided in Lewis about his issues with his wife Matty. So you know Lewis has inside information about their relationship he knows about all the times he has caught his wife Matty laying up with some dude he knows about all the times that Lenny has caught Matty getting ran through. Lewis has literally been a shoulder for Lenny to cry on. So when you get to the final quarter of the film and Eve goes to visit Lenny and says what she says she in fact dined out her own father as the latest guy running through his wife. When he showed up that night with the intention to kill Lewis and Matty what changed his mind at that moment was the fact that Eve was there if she hadn't been there he would have guns them both down. When Lenny speaks in the bar you can hear a man who wants to scream laugh and cry all at the same time.
Oedipus or Electra Complex
She just passed the typical age of when someone.
#READY I've seen many YT theories but love the analysis you all give on films
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33:48 there was a bus in mozell’s vision. In the film anything in black and white is shown as objective truth. The color parts are eves subjective memories.
Question: given the style of video you guys make would you consider putting your videos through Spotify? Id imagine Im not the only person who listens to the video rather than actually watching the screen.
Not all of Mozelle's "lovers" met an untimely end...no one said buddy who killed Maynard died! Even Elzora affirmed that any man who MARRIES her will die...so if she & Julian just live out their lives in sin without getting married, it sounds like they'd be able to live a long, happy life together 😉
Maybe...
SOOOOO glad yall mentioned uncle tomi i had the directors cut video and that i was trippin when i talking to people about him being here
My perspective🔥 this was good, i wonder who went through the first curse of the baptiste family.
I haven’t seen beloved before so that will be interesting, I should go find where I could watch it because I actually read the book first and whew.
My perspective: I would say julian would probably still be cursed in a way because think about how mozelle really was trying to give hosea an out with her because she was choosing to stay w her husband but he had fallen in love with her mozelle and was not going to let her stay with her husband, he wanted her for himself. He did kill maynard but he also doomed himself in that he lost his life/freedom in taking the life of another. So I would say that when mozelle falls in love w men in general they all loose their life just by becoming involved w her in a way.
Zora didn't say she was cursed.... SHE SAID SHE IS A CURSE!!!
Okay... And in this theory, her having the curse of the black widow makes her a curse... Especially to her love interests. TR he semantics in this case don't really change what we're saying here.
@@HeitCheriglad I didn't check my notifications any earlier lol I just got to that part 😂😂 talk about spoilers..
It may be just semantics, IDK 😂 I JUST noticed it from the video. I had never noticed it before.
I 100 percent agree generational curse, and Cicely was in love with the dad and Cicelys blaxk widow curse did it. Notice the grandmother doesn't have a husband either!!!!
But I don't think Zora cursed her, I think she just knows about it. It doesn't take a psychic to know she was a black widow. The granny probably went through a few husband's too. Louis and Mozelle look like they got different daddies fa sho 😂😂
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I would like to see the uncle tumi scenes
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I think she told him what happened to her husbands but i don't think she told him it was a curse persay. He still decided to marry her regardless because he loves her as we feel sorry for Julian he feels empathetic to mozells plite of loosing her husbands and feeling like he needs to be her night in shining armor
If you go back to the scene when Eve catches her dad you can see that the camera pans real slow to every thrust and movement of Maddie Monroe Andy's dad
Yeah, because they were doing it.
Also, Elzora did not put a curse on Mozell. They represent a dichotomy in folk spirituality in this part of the south. Hoodoo is Christianity based(hence Mozell praying before her reading) and the folk magic is seen as folk medicine, it comes from our ancestral well of knowledge, their ancestor Eve was a healer in this way. At that time slave owners went to the plantation conjurers for physical or spiritual ails. It’s said that hoodoo is a generational thing specific to families. Voodoo is the more demonized side of this, the scary or “black magic”. They are a dichotomy.
Love the part Eva got smart with her mama. N aunt was hitting on the side while she was going off. N she told her if you ever talk to your mama that way again i killed u r something or i do u off lol. Eva was not having it daddy was cheating smh n she was lock n that house n was going off smh. Lol. But i love fact the aunt check her.
This movie still confuses me to this day. Whether Cisely was in the wrong for kissing him or was he being a disgusting creep. Eve already knew from the jump that things was not going great with her family. She could see it through the vision just like her aunt. Eve was probably being cursed by her aunt about her father’s death. This is the second movie with Lynn Whitfield gets cheated on by a man just like Thin Line between love and hate.
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Cisely inherits Aunt Mosel's curse
She knew her father was lying even about the dancing
If the dad SA’d her, he never would’ve suggested that she could see a female doctor. I think Cicely got confused, Louis definitely didn’t help matters. She’s his oldest and his oldest daughter, she’s becoming a woman and is confused in interpretation. Louis is also so far gone dealing with whatever drives his hypersexuality and in his daughter’s transition sees her as a woman for a moment. I think the kiss was the collision of this misunderstanding.
A lot of women(from what I understand) get mixed feelings about their period. I know my sister said she felt dirty when she first got hers.
The part when she got slap 4 getting her hair cut n crossing over those train tracks lol . Wad like wow 😂😂😂😂
When I watched this movie for the 1st time ions ago, I hated it. I still do. It looked as if they were trying to convinced the audience that Cisely was fast out of the blue. But that the family was filled with secrets. I think Cisely was groomed. Maybe not by her father but by 1 of his friends. That's why her father had a look of shock when she kissed him.
Thanks so for your comment. What is the evidence from the film that Cisely was groomed by one of her father's friends? When would they have access to her? The only people she was consistently around was her family. Not sure how often they had parties, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of her spending time with anyone else. I understand why people say that the father did something. However, when you look at the whole film, that's what the audience was supposed to believe UNTIL the twist at the end when the audience hears what happens from Louis's letter to Mozelle. My belief is that there needs to be solid evidence of whatever I'm claiming happened.
I’ve always thought Mozelle character evolved from this young witch to the Seer on Charmed which ties into her never having children and wanting Phoebes baby in Charmed Season 4
Why is it that I think the father had his way with this girl and this is why she is bleeding? He said she kissed him like a grown woman. In another thought. Isn't Moselle the same place Murdaugh unalived his family? Maybe the curse is in the name.
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No Louis told her to apologize to them
Y’all are right about everything. Except the part about ezel and them boxes😂❤ I’m pretty sure I saw him running down the street😂
Nope, you didn't 😂😂😂th-cam.com/video/89WlX99yEuk/w-d-xo.html
@@HeitCheri I swear😭🤣it’s in the director’s cut in the beginning not the bet version.🤣 Debo was sleeping too.
They were rubbing lol 😂
I dont need any cat bones to read your future lol 😂
Thanks for explaining this movie I never understood it when I was younger WV dc area 💪
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@HeitandCheri..Ok so here's my interpretation...Cecily has what you call in psychology an Electra complex. When the daughter has sexual feelings towards her father.. it's all Freudian theory...a psycho sexual theorist. So if you look at her behavior the entire film, you'll see that she assumed the position of her mother and crossed the line that stormy night..her father was drinking, but he never crossed the line.. He slapped her to the floor to jolt her out of it and let her know she was wrong, and that broke 💔 her heart and caused her to have a breakdown. Plus, don't forget she was menstruating and hormones all over for the first time!! As for the Batiste curse, this was inflicted on the Batiste women centuries ago, I believe!! Most likely due to a lovers quarrel perhaps a Batiste woman took a great love of another woman's life in the witches family and a curse was set forth to all Batiste women death will come to any man they marry they will never be happy.. So Eve and Cecily aren't safe .. and even Eve's mother!!! Her hubby gone too!!! 😮😮😮Eve's mother is Baptiste 😮😮Po her brother will be fine😊 I just created that whole scenario of centuries ago..but...It's a possibility right😄😄 I should really start writing ✍️ stories again😅
Also notice now she’s saying “I’ll kill him” for hitting you. Just like her mentor says.
Cisely is just like her mom. The way she retold the story of her father cheating her mother did the same to her when she was growing up. Her mom knew he was cheating, and it was kind of out in the open. She was just upset that it got back to her. Ol girl calling the house was disrespectful.
Would like to see the break down please.
You guess really made me to think deeper especially ahout fixing the pregnant lady.
Why wouldn't Cisely want Eve to tell their dad about her first period? I believe it was a miscarriage.
But she could read Eve that's what that look off into the distance was about she saw what her sister had told Eve that's what the scream was about it it was so jarring she jumped back and then started off with that whole I want to squeeze the secret out of you the reason why we know this is later on in the movie She confronts her brother about it
This is definitely open to interpretation...
That smack made her hair look better to me
Can yall consider marked for death and do a video on screw face. I'm rewatching it for the first time in 20 years and basil Wallace carried that movie. I def see it differently now as an adult vs when I was a kid. There are a lot of historical links to connect it with as well. It's a steven Segal movie and the early 90s movies were so simple but still layered.
And he said “Good night” when he said “Good night, Maddie”! So it’s the curse. He fell own his own sword like Elvira said.