From my observation some of them do a wonderful job and then there are other's not committed to completing the assignments properly. It really depends on mentality, training and dedication. Chec, mess up sometimes too. Not everyone on their team is good.
Yes, they should ,it's called knowledge transfer, the local contractor will be responsible for maintaining these roads in the future so they need to learn from these foreign contractors.
I agree with you on the knowledge transfer. How do we do this? I didn't see much of that in St. Thomas. I saw frustrated residents, a nervous MP and a fair amount of work that had to be redone by CHEC.
@davidclayton2883 Try a different coach (main contractor) this time. There is no way a team owner would fire all the players but still keep the same coach. The coach has to be held accountable at some point.
There are a lot of frustrated residents, and a nervous MP in eastern ST. Thomas right now. I wonder what's happening in Cotton Tree, Port Morant? CHEC may be packing their bags.
@@LeroyDunningcamp-de8rf I know that the local workers (fork lift operators, masons, etc.) are learning new ways of doing things. Let us see if the local companies can learn how to work in an environment where they actually have to produce results. I have seen too many times where they fix roads and the roads fall apart after the first rainfall. The madness has to end.
100,💯 yes they should,Jamaica should have First Options First,there’s should be no Debates about that,I don’t understand why they are even talking about that, it’s makes no Sense at all,Jamaica First?
Collective punishment is silly. Give more work to the ones that are doing good work. Make sure quality control inspectors are qualified and are doing the job they are getting paid to do.
CHEC built strong reputation doing mostly Greenfield Projects. Building brand new 4 lane highways in areas where there is no traffic to contend with. CHEC's ratings/reputation would suffer significantly if they were doing mostly Brownfield Projects. Which are typically in built up areas, with a lot of traffic, narrow 2 lane roads, and other problems to deal with. Local contractors normally only work on Brownfield Projects, which by nature won't look as good as a new 4 lane highway.🌎💯💗🇯🇲
They can used the ones that are really qualified and also have the international one to supervise them cause if you leave it up to them it won't be done properly because believe it our not most of them care more about the money than their actual skills and work and I believe build is an art and one should take pride in the work they do
I just hope and pray that we will get some good roads in all parts of Jamaica soon because our roads are life threateningly dangerous. I also hope our local road builders learn how to build safe and strong roads. The fact that the roads they build can't handle rain plus trucks driving on them is alarmingly expensive. We need to hold them accountable for the high cost of the shoddy roads they have been building..
Never put all your eggs in one basket. CHEC is struggling in ST. Thomas with the road improvement work. The government should try a different company this time.
No, CHEC is doing the work themselves. No local contractor involved from the start. CHEC is facing some of the same challenges local contractors previously faced on SCHIP. Road improvement work is not always straight forward when working in an existing alignment.
@omar-qf5mi CHEC also worked on some of the previously completed sections that had to be redone. It wasn't just local contractor's work that had defects.
Yes, local companies can make good roads too. No hard. If you yourself make company, learn skill, you can do good job too. Why you believe people say you automatically can't do good job because you local person? No good thinking.
@LepingWang-o6g Many local contractors are brilliant, some are slap dash and don't care, that's the reality in every country. Better training, mentality and dedication is the catalyst if assignments are to be completed in time and done properly. Locals and non local is sheer nonsense!
Well in rural jamaica i don't think they should be leading these projects because as soon as jamaican contractors get the money they dont give AF about getting the job done properly
As a Jamaican, I would love to see local contractors building out our road infrastructure, as used to the case in the past. The reality is that local civil engineering firms do not (yes..debateably) have the technical knowledge, equipment, skills and experience to build proper roadworks WITH APPROPRIATE AND ADEQUATE AUXILLIARY DRAINAGE. The lower-level workers are woefully incompetent in understanding function and objective of tasks, plus unmotivated (due to inadequate wages, working conditions, literacy among a wider myriad of socio-economic dysfunctions.) In essence, contractors or subcontractors do not have the real-world capacity to do civil works at the required standard. Let us be under no illusions that state actors are not getting kickbacks from contract awards (to local likewise overseas based contractors). Where it becomes problematic is that local (Jamaican) illicit familiarity breeds contempt, leading to shortcuts and siphoning of resources away from projects..... ".....yuh caan' chat to mi cause mi ave you secret, an yuh collect mi money"
You need to understand the history of road work in Jamaica. For decades, local companies received contracts based on their ties to the party in power. It had nothing to do with their ability to fix the roads. Politicians, dons, extortionists, etc. all got a cut out of the contract money. These contractors never had to learn how to fix roads. Today we are expecting them to partner with companies that work to international standards. How can they get the work done when they never learnt how to fix roads? This is just the politics of distributing tax payer money to friends of whichever party is in power.
@@LepingWang-o6g I believe that CHEC does good work. Their projects have been successful. Here is my question. Which local contractors should be given contracts based on their performance? BTW, there is no need to call me names. Let us have an intelligent conversation.
@@LepingWang-o6g I agree that S&G has potential. They have learnt a lot over the last few years. Who else has done good work? The systemic corruption of the last few decades has prevented growth in so many areas.
You need ask IMAJ or agency responsible monitor construction contractors for listing of good contractors like S&G. If contractor proven no good, then agency should remove from list. Agency tell contractor go to training for getting better before put back on list.
The government need to stay out off this project.Working on these projects the overseas contractors make us looks like Bolt running against a high school girl.We have too many excuse why we shouldn't work
Absolutely not 100%. Local contractors are not fully committed, notorious for misuse of project funds, many unskilled hires, use of inferior materials, poor work quality, delay projects and breach of project contract time. And shortcuts. Should be lead/ driven by highly skilled outside contractor with a mix of very skilled local workforce.
I think the spark program is too important to give it to local contractor! We need these road to be done right and on time! What comes with local contractor are PNP, Saboteur; who have no love for country...
From my observation some of them do a wonderful job and then there are other's not committed to completing the assignments properly. It really depends on mentality, training and dedication. Chec, mess up sometimes too. Not everyone on their team is good.
Yes. Use local contractors. No government in the HISTORY of the world would ever consider shutting out their OWN workforce.
Yes, they should ,it's called knowledge transfer, the local contractor will be responsible for maintaining these roads in the future so they need to learn from these foreign contractors.
I agree with you on the knowledge transfer. How do we do this? I didn't see much of that in St. Thomas. I saw frustrated residents, a nervous MP and a fair amount of work that had to be redone by CHEC.
@davidclayton2883 Try a different coach (main contractor) this time. There is no way a team owner would fire all the players but still keep the same coach. The coach has to be held accountable at some point.
There are a lot of frustrated residents, and a nervous MP in eastern ST. Thomas right now. I wonder what's happening in Cotton Tree, Port Morant? CHEC may be packing their bags.
@@LeroyDunningcamp-de8rf I know that the local workers (fork lift operators, masons, etc.) are learning new ways of doing things. Let us see if the local companies can learn how to work in an environment where they actually have to produce results. I have seen too many times where they fix roads and the roads fall apart after the first rainfall. The madness has to end.
Absolutely Yes! Some local contractors do great work.
Thanks. Which ones so we can mention in future videos
S&G out of Mandeville.
100,💯 yes they should,Jamaica should have First Options First,there’s should be no Debates about that,I don’t understand why they are even talking about that, it’s makes no Sense at all,Jamaica First?
Thanks. What you opinion on the work local contractors did on the SCHIP
Collective punishment is silly. Give more work to the ones that are doing good work. Make sure quality control inspectors are qualified and are doing the job they are getting paid to do.
That’s a good idea. Set up a system.
CHEC built strong reputation doing mostly Greenfield Projects. Building brand new 4 lane highways in areas where there is no traffic to contend with. CHEC's ratings/reputation would suffer significantly if they were doing mostly Brownfield Projects. Which are typically in built up areas, with a lot of traffic, narrow 2 lane roads, and other problems to deal with. Local contractors normally only work on Brownfield Projects, which by nature won't look as good as a new 4 lane highway.🌎💯💗🇯🇲
Very interesting thanks. The SCHIP giving CHEC a hard time
They can used the ones that are really qualified and also have the international one to supervise them cause if you leave it up to them it won't be done properly because believe it our not most of them care more about the money than their actual skills and work and I believe build is an art and one should take pride in the work they do
I just hope and pray that we will get some good roads in all parts of Jamaica soon because our roads are life threateningly dangerous.
I also hope our local road builders learn how to build safe and strong roads.
The fact that the roads they build can't handle rain plus trucks driving on them is alarmingly expensive. We need to hold them accountable for the high cost of the shoddy roads they have been building..
So true. The roads need to be built to a standard
Never put all your eggs in one basket. CHEC is struggling in ST. Thomas with the road improvement work. The government should try a different company this time.
Is CHEC struggling because of the local contractors work
No, CHEC is doing the work themselves. No local contractor involved from the start. CHEC is facing some of the same challenges local contractors previously faced on SCHIP. Road improvement work is not always straight forward when working in an existing alignment.
@@LeroyDunningcamp-de8rfwasn’t it reported that it’s the areas done by the local contractors that’s being redone?
No. Package 5&6 from Blue Mahoe to Portland is being done entirely by CHEC. This is the section I am referring to.
@omar-qf5mi CHEC also worked on some of the previously completed sections that had to be redone. It wasn't just local contractor's work that had defects.
Yes, local companies can make good roads too. No hard. If you yourself make company, learn skill, you can do good job too. Why you believe people say you automatically can't do good job because you local person? No good thinking.
@LepingWang-o6g
Many local contractors are brilliant, some are slap dash and don't care, that's the reality in every country. Better training, mentality and dedication is the catalyst if assignments are to be completed in time and done properly. Locals and non local is sheer nonsense!
Well in rural jamaica i don't think they should be leading these projects because as soon as jamaican contractors get the money they dont give AF about getting the job done properly
Thanks for the feedback
CHEC give them all the work the local contractors are best at growing weed let them do that
Thinking like a true. slave. That's why easy delete each other. No care for self.
As a Jamaican, I would love to see local contractors building out our road infrastructure, as used to the case in the past. The reality is that local civil engineering firms do not (yes..debateably) have the technical knowledge, equipment, skills and experience to build proper roadworks WITH APPROPRIATE AND ADEQUATE AUXILLIARY DRAINAGE. The lower-level workers are woefully incompetent in understanding function and objective of tasks, plus unmotivated (due to inadequate wages, working conditions, literacy among a wider myriad of socio-economic dysfunctions.) In essence, contractors or subcontractors do not have the real-world capacity to do civil works at the required standard.
Let us be under no illusions that state actors are not getting kickbacks from contract awards (to local likewise overseas based contractors). Where it becomes problematic is that local (Jamaican) illicit familiarity breeds contempt, leading to shortcuts and siphoning of resources away from projects.....
".....yuh caan' chat to mi cause mi ave you secret, an yuh collect mi money"
The engineers migrate for better wages. I am not sure what is the problem re building proper roads
You need to understand the history of road work in Jamaica. For decades, local companies received contracts based on their ties to the party in power. It had nothing to do with their ability to fix the roads. Politicians, dons, extortionists, etc. all got a cut out of the contract money. These contractors never had to learn how to fix roads.
Today we are expecting them to partner with companies that work to international standards. How can they get the work done when they never learnt how to fix roads? This is just the politics of distributing tax payer money to friends of whichever party is in power.
No true. You generalize. If true, why chec now use local company S&G repair highway in Bull Bay? Chec build highway first time. Now need fix.
You spin spin spin all the time when people say chec work look no good, Leith Hall. Always spinning, but no dizzy. Sounds wannabe Spin Doctor.
@@LepingWang-o6g I believe that CHEC does good work. Their projects have been successful. Here is my question. Which local contractors should be given contracts based on their performance?
BTW, there is no need to call me names. Let us have an intelligent conversation.
@@LepingWang-o6g I agree that S&G has potential. They have learnt a lot over the last few years. Who else has done good work?
The systemic corruption of the last few decades has prevented growth in so many areas.
You need ask IMAJ or agency responsible monitor construction contractors for listing of good contractors like S&G. If contractor proven no good, then agency should remove from list. Agency tell contractor go to training for getting better before put back on list.
Nope. Tired of seeing roads get destroyed within weeks of repair. There might be a few with a good history of work, but the rest can get fked
So why shouldn't more work given to ones with good work history?
Thanks for the feedback
That makes sense
The government need to stay out off this project.Working on these projects the overseas contractors make us looks like Bolt running against a high school girl.We have too many excuse why we shouldn't work
Thanks for the info
they do not have the equipment and they can't do it without supervision so my answer is no
Thanks
Absolutely not 100%. Local contractors are not fully committed, notorious for misuse of project funds, many unskilled hires, use of inferior materials, poor work quality, delay projects and breach of project contract time. And shortcuts.
Should be lead/ driven by highly skilled outside contractor with a mix of very skilled local workforce.
Thanks for the feedback
100% yes. Keep the $ local
Stop ask question that you already knew the answer. No they cant manage
No absolutely not
No
Thanks.
They won't do a good job
I think the spark program is too important to give it to local contractor! We need these road to be done right and on time! What comes with local contractor are PNP, Saboteur; who have no love for country...