+TydeTyme no you just don't know what your talking about geb's ult is....insane hel doesn't have a ult to even criticize just a really good set of abilities and xing's ult is very unique and very good for handling situations even if they have time to move it's about 1 second and your cc immune even if they try to run you usually have sprint and most times when your in solo your not facing many with a dash (btw just because sylvanius does damage doesn't mean it's better they're also cc immune while in the air).
Braden Coates Actually you missed the reason that Geb is here instead of sylvanus which means I know you have little to no idea what you're trying to argue. Which is fine. My rebuttal is in the video watch it again. Listen for those key points about CC diminishing returns and the rules at the start of the video. With that being said, attempting to reason anything past this point would be pointless.
Panos Xatz Pretty sure he has at least 500 hours, if not closer to 750. That's more than enough to know the game a lot better than he currently does. He pretty much has the knowledge of someone who just passed their 100th hour. Not to be a dick or anything. Just an observation.
Fair enough,but in what of the things he said you disagree? He was right about geb,jing and bastet,I completely disagree about hel and kinda disagree about xing
Panos Xatz Probably everything except for Jing Wei. Maybe to a tiny degree i'll agree on Hel too, but also not really. The problem is Tyde is looking at the abilities strictly from a damage perspective, and you can't do that. He has very little knowledge, it seems, on how valuable some Ults are in a teamfight scenario. Whether they do a ton of damage, or no damage at all.
Did you watch the video completely? Hel ult or Ullr ult only count one of their stance, for Hel, it count only her Light stance in which it kinda useless in my opinion. Btw, we don't count her Dark stance
+LittleIslander if you use bastets ult the enemys health should be low and if its low there retreating if the retreating they cant kill the cats if they turn around you kill them... its that simple in 1v1s at least :p
Taken GTs Yea if the enemy sprint is on cooldown they can either turn around kill the cats and try to run(But most likely get killed by bastet) Or just use a relic to get away.
I believe Ravana is more deserving of the list than Hel because his ult has about the same effective range and area of effect as Loki's, but doesnt provide bonus damage, a stun, and isnt a blink. It's an incredibly easy ultimate to dodge since you can see him jumping, when compared to the similar ult of Loki's which is hard to dodge due to it being a blink. Loki's is also a quicker escape
+yeruyeru :D I'm the only one with this list. So... yeh me and only me made a list of this. >.> Its why I'm around. I'm also the only one to make duel guides. Me... and only me.
+TydeTyme ok? and the fact that you make them is relevant how? either way, hel's ult is the ability to switch stances and the passive benefits from upgrading the ability. it's not the stance it switches to first. that's a disagreement I have with it, and also the disagreement many of your comenters have. if you have a problem with it then don't ask for our opinions at the end of your videos.
+yeruyeru :D Its not that i have a problem with your opinions. However I more or less comfirmed yours. If you have an issue with mine then you shouldn't comment I guess? Its the internet. You have an opinion, prepare for opinionated replies.
+yeruyeru :D Well you said that I was the only one who did something. Then i agreed saying that I'm the only one who does a lot of things. If your comment was an opinion and not a statement, then so was mine. :| We stand on the same field and you've got your fists up for some reason.
+Marc Mitchell more than 500 to all the goods just for push 4? and also the best ult to kill a low enemy and take a lot of asistences from other lines in your line? that shit is op :P
+MisterSimmer88 See I've done the calculations, her 4 does 400+30% so go glass cannon and you get 792 power (full stacks no buffs), that's a total of 637, but that's without defence taken into account, so if the enemy team was near a heartward user you'd only do 318 damage, that's a non crit off an assassin type damage, with a 110 second cooldown.
+Marc Mitchell of course nuwa is bulded with penetration and tauthi and btw his ultimate is not her only damage abilitie, she have other 3 and the second also reduce magical protection :p
You start with bastet? Wtf? If you think its bad than you dont know how to use it. Tower focus down for 10 FULL seconds or more Same for Xing, you don't know how to use it.... And why do you keep focussing that ymir.... Wtf do you say that the WHOLE light stance is worse than any ult in the game. Are you out of your mind? Those heals keep everyone alive and sustained. I think your vid quality has gone up, but the things you put in there are starting to get less overthought... sorry man I don't mean to pick a fight, I just wanna tell you this video makes little sense
+Marcel Holt Xing's ult was nerfed to hell last patch, really lacks in comparison to Ares' ult by having smaller area and is much more easily countered. He wasn't focussing Ymir, it's just that he used clips of when Ymir was the only one in lane and he ulted to get the kill for the team, same with when they were running through jungle, ulting to save a teammate. The light stance is great, yes, but as he said, it falls off due to the fact that there is a lot of anti-healing now compared to season 2, and the fact that it "attunes" to each stance - that mechanic is useless because in a team-fight, you're switching stances so often that one stance will always be more attuned. Hel has sustain, yes, but smaller and spread out when compared to Aphro. Just in case you were also wondering about Geb - Tyde is right, it's a blink-stun combo with nothing else. Sylvanus has way more utility and potential with his ultimate - being able to secure kills if need be, it's a knock-up which is less easily countered than a stun (except for Jing Wei as mentioned). The video makes perfect sense.
Have you played Xing since his ult got its nerf? It's garbage. Bastet using her cats for pushing in a tower? Guess what, kuldr does it better. As well as the fact that mages just wipe the cats out in one ability late game.
Hels mana usage is so high, there is only so much time she can heal people before she loses all her mana, or gets focused down because she has barely any left
flagmuffin1221 In the jungle he had the choice between 3 people. He chose Ymir. And he chose ymir in lane too so stop whining. And no. It's not saving a teammate They still have to BUY anti healing and in the case of magical characters this sucks. And the heals still work A big part of this video does not make sense
Sorry tyde but but your knowledge of the game is lack luster. You say hel's " ultimate " is bad but gives her and her teammates a heal plus a solo heal and a cleanse your basing her off of that shes a burst mage comparing her ult to anubis or raijin yet she can easily carry a game with her " bad ult " you said she was bad compared to season 2 but idk if you forgot how broke she was back then hel like alot of gods cannot exist being good or they break the game, hel, baka,
+Eric Dr. The "was" broke and "is" broke are totally two different things. I explained why and there isn't a lack of knowledge. Infact I event TOLD YOU in the video WHY i chose it in the video you just watched and commented on twice. I was very clear with this season's Anti-heals its made her much worse and nearly unplayable. This is season 3 baby. Get with the times.
+TydeTyme You chose a stance switch god as they worst " ultimate " and then stated shes not as good as season 2 healing is a boring thing in smite and most healers at one point were all broken sylvanus, aphro, hel and even tyr, Hel will never be good again get with the times hel will need a new kit for her too be good. Also anubises ult is trash easily they worst god in the game just because you can insta kill a squishy if you catch them out of position doesnt make it good
+Eric Dr. Hel does not require a new kit. They just need to drop the punishment on Anti-Heals and she'd be relevant again. I don't think you have a valid agruement with me anymore xD By the way Anubis has the strongest Ultimate in the game out of sheer damage. I wouldn't knock it. By being one of those ultimates it can't be on this list what so ever. Having the "most" anything would make it impossible to judge it as worst.
+TydeTyme Hel doesnt need a new kit????? That god will never be in a state of balance if she gets a buff in anyway it breaks the game and she becomes instantly the best god thats why she needs a new kit. How is anubis ult going to save him from a gank? if a anubis misses his 2 and tries to ult nothing will happen that ults only good if you hit every tick of damage
Hey Tyde, Ive been watching for a long time, i appreciate the insight into the Ultimates and for the most part i agree. However, Bastets Ultimate is designed to A) early game destroy we all know that. B) Late game annoy, help teammates, or prevent someone from getting away. Its designed specifically as an ambush attack. In a 1v1 Bastet late game still has such a good chance against almost any god. Those cats block basics much the same as the doggy from Skadi. For that reason i would replace her on this list with say Apollo. His ultimate is great early game much the same as Bastet, but becomes useless late game as anything other than the same as Jing Wei's passive except it costs mana. Second , Hel. I see some people being rather rude and aggressive. I get what your saying about how its really not worth the switching back and forth and so on. makes sense. However, leveling that ability itself grants some serious bonus's to her stance. Allowing massive damage in the dark and great healing and mana regen in the light. If she stays with a teammate and isn't focused immediately she can deal a TON of damage and still save her team from needing to back or from being killed off. Her "2" ability grants that cc cleanse that i swear if more people knew how to use it just.. its great. Removes the damn wrap from anubis and can save a teammate from a nasty stun. For these reasons and the fact that she is incredible late game, i would switch her with Aphrodite. Yes All of Aphros abilities are great. Except that ultimate. It saves 2 people for a few seconds from damage and cc. 1 of them is herself, and the other is usually an ADC or something of the sort. You talked about how Gebs was just a stun. Well, Aphros is just a faster "Old" Aegis that most of the time a teammate wont use that time to escape or run. And if she needs to use that ability to save a teammate its now on cooldown and cant be used for a while. Makes it not really worth its ultimate status. But thats my opinion and changes to this list. Cheers, - TheREALDargon On Smite! (;
+TydeTyme It's just a joke m8, but in all seriousness Geb shouldn't be on the list. The amount of time I've taken 25% out of all people and set up a decide as Geb is insane. His roll makes it so you don't need blink for any setup. Just smart position and pathing.
It's stuns the enemy for like. 2 seconds I think it's ass everytime there is a Geb on the other team the only thing I worry about is the stupid shields.
i dont think hel belongs on this list, she belongs on a "worst passive" list. Its her passive that gimps her. It encourages you to stay in one form for a decent amount of time, but her ult encourages you to constantly swap between the two stances often. They contradict each other. Give hel a better more fitting passive and her kit would mesh better.
I just want to say great video! Its the first one of you i saw and i can really tell you put alot of time and effort into making them! Subbed! Keep up the good work! On another note dont listen to the haters, the Hel fanboys i mean, the comments seem to be 50/50, of which the 50% that agree with her are ones that actually admit she was great season 2 and not so much season 3, while the whiners who disagree are only comparing thinking of how she performs as of right now in season 3 alone.
Badboy2525 well, there are situations you can use her ult offensive also you could use it to dodge ults in a teamfight and dive their backline using it defensive and offensive the same time, or just sit out a bit and reenter in the right moment at the right place
yes but the issue is that she effectively has a leap that has quite the long cooldown. most other gods have something similar but on a much much shorter cd. her kit is supposed to help initiate not her ult, thats what her spiders are supposed to be for, the issue is that she cannot initiate easily because she cannot close the gap easily because there is so much cc in this meta
omg omg omg thank you Tyde !! i decided to play a ranked duel game just before and every game ive had i got my ass handed to me. Then this game i remembered back in one of your old videos of fire marshal artemis you said "i dont have to fight him, i just have to get his objectives" and im always so driven to get kills i forget about the objectives, but this time instead of chasing everytime he was low i got his objectives and i finally won my very first game ! Thank you Tyde!!! im so excited
Take a geb ult over a nem ult any day and 2x on sunday....geb hits multiple people with a hard cc stun nem slows and steals protections from one person with winged blade so cheap and so many frontliners picking it up especially when they see nem on the other team it almost negates nems ult...plus like u said soul reaver geb can kill nem cant proc soul reaver still needs a follow up
Hey man, as far as I'd disagree with Hel's placement (she's simply extremely difficult to play, requires a lot of time), I have to give ya respect for making this video; it is well argued and it takes balls to take such a controversial topic on. GG and keep going.
yea jing wei Ultimate is 4 running very balance and fun character hopeful they don't buff her be cool if she got a angel outfit with a halo or maybe 4 wings like thanatos
as someone with 40+ hours on bastet alone i can tell you that her ultimate is phenomenal for picking off a solo laner, especialy of they are near a wall. Its not used to kill a full health opponent, its used to draw their fire, chip away at health, and get them stuck.
+N1ghthawkL06 have you seen its stats though? The massive attack speed buff, power buff, stun, pull, and damage are just crazy. Even if your team doesn't have knock ups and you have to use your own it's still one of the best 1v1 ults in the game.
+daniel riccobono 1v1 maybe not because awilix realizes on ambushing and surprising there opponent being hit from behind or the sides which makes a little more difficult to use in a 1v1 scenario.
She needs a buff, but not because of her ult. If you classify her ult as her light stance, then her "ult" gives a 3rd damaging ability and a self heal (8 second cooldown), a CC immunity for any allies she wants (14 to 10 second cooldown), and a team wide heal and speed boost (12 second cooldown). Compare that to Aphro's ult, which I bring up because Tyde Tyme specifically mentioned her: A 2 second immunity for her and one ally. Every 70 seconds. Just great. Hel's heal is better than hers, as it works on the entire team, her damage is better, Hel is in every way better than Aphrodite, including and ESPECIALLY the "ultimate".
+Wiebejamin I've seen people tell me "Hel doesn't do damage. Build defense + Healing items" I guess 750 damage from Repulse isn't actual damage then? You can build Lotus crown, Boots and Urchin, then go with Thoth & Tahouti and you have yourself a little bit tanky healer that Can do crazy damage in an AoE.
Actually I'm an Aphrodite player myself, and I find her much more useful then Hel in many situations. Aphrodite may not be able to heal multiple people at one time, but she has a lot more mobility then Hel, and if you build Aphrodite with cooldowns(You're dumb if you don't in my opinion) That ultimate is up a lot faster then 70 seconds. Have you ever 1v1ed a good Aphrodite player? Birds WRECK people, not saying I'd 1v1 with her personally, because I specifically play her as a support goddess. Yes I agree Aphrodite is also a squishy mage, but I find Hel even squishier, and it's much more harder for her to get out of a bad situation then Aphrodite.
Hel actually needs a rework like ratatoskr... Why? because she is one of those gods who if you buff her she is op if you nerf her she is trash.. si its pretty difficult to balance like the last ratatoskr
i agree. you put hel at the top because Aphrodite support potential but we were just talking ults. Since Hel's ultimate includes her light stance abilities... she can cleanse and heal her whole team vs Aphrodite cleanse and dmg mitigate on one person. if she is even tethered to them at the time. plus cleanse has a shorter CD. change can avoid dmg and cc outright with her two. so all and all Aphrodite ultimate is the worst when comparing to other kits. i love it when I'm using it effectively but over all it still is very lackluster.
+ebonydragon83 Cleanse only makes you cc immune and lasts for 1.25 as opposed to 2 seconds. So you have less time to get away and you can still easily die from taking damage. They're not comparable in the slightest.
+Franco Venica really? s3 aegis doesn't give cc immunity so you have to burn your beads too... additionally aphro ult works on her and her soul mate. and unlike aegis doesn't cancel heals.... oh... and you can attack while her ult is active... so mage, assasin or hunter can dish out crazy damage, heal themselves while staying relatively safe. oh... one more thing. her ultimate has one of the lowest ult cooldowns in game... I dont remember exactly but I think she doesnt even need cooldown reduction on lvl 20 to counter every ares ult with maxed cdr. and you can use it while stunned or controlled in some other way. any way except janus's 1 I think. unless hi rez fixed that sh*t
My fave thing about the jing ult was in the PTS, I found a glitch where you could go into walls by ulting so you hover in them, and don't choose a place to land. You could get out of the Map and fall to your death.
Nemesis ult does a lot more then Gebs overall though. the protection debuff and removing more health then gebs secures a single kill more often then the short stun from Gebs.
+jean-sébastien dubé (SirKasm) Unlike Geb, Nemesis is a damage dealer. She will buy damage to make that 50% as effective as possible. SO she can pen her opponent. However as a support you won't. There's a huge difference. Plus it does so much more than just damage.
I want to add that if you buy antihealing, you still have 5 more skills to use with Hel, Aprho gey screwed but hel hav 2 skill to heal and also the mp5 with the passive can help a lot , I just don't agree with 1
Maybe a Top 5 God's you'd like to see in Smite? What you think their kit would be and how they'd perform? Really love your Top 5's! Maybe after doing a whole bunch, you can do a Top 5 "Top 5 videos".
I like the list, but I had thought Chronus was going to be on it. All he does is rewind himself, doing nothing useful but getting away. Yet, even then, the enemy will have time to catch. For example, someone like Kali, Awilix, and possible He Bo. Other than that, everything else is extremely on point. Well done, my friend.
+Melvin the Hacker it takes the same time, and follows the same process, yet it improves the hunter he is exponentially comparatively to hel where it makes weakness show
I agree with everything but Hel´s "ult", I´ll explain: First off, as of now healers are very underrated in this meta, sure, you can get a level 1 weakening but you can also get a level 1 sprint which pretty much saves you from the enemy chasing you with a weakening, on top of that Hel loves sprint because she can naturally can boost her speed with her heal, and forcing the entire enemy team to antiheal items. Yes, we all agree that her early game is very risky and needs the hand-holding of the jungler for the first 5-6 levels, but her late game its still insane. Think of her as a mid lane Guan Yu, has troubles in the laning phase and can get bullied early but if she reaches mid game she becomes a problem with a potent full team sustain, CCi and burst damage potential. PD: Ban Odin. And yes, Hel still suffers from being behind the 6 or so op meta midlane gods, the same happens to more than half of roster, that doesnt make her a bad pick IMHO.
+Sr. Mr. López Well as I agree and reviewed that information myself, in this Meta I can't get her to work at any angle. A divine ruin/Beat stick stops me from doing anything useful for the team meaning that I'm stuck as a pillar of damage. At that point I might as well play a more controlling mage that can support a team with more damage than attempt to heal. I'll hope they lessen the punishment to healing soon being I used to play Hel so very much in Solo/Mid/Duel
Lately I haven´t had many issues with brawlers because rnjesus crit meta for hunters is back and solo laners dont pick it very often, and if the opposing mid laner picks divine they are missing enough damage to give my team overall an edge. Junglers are my only concern build-wise when I pick Hel. But yeah, even then I have to admit that Hel is a risky pick, but underrated and with a lot of potential. Anyways, amen to that final paragraph! And as always if a pick doesn´t work for you dont force it and play what you know you can be good at, extra points if its a rare pick.
The only ones I agree with here are jing wei and geb. Bastets cats are terrifying if you use them right, and xiang tin is a fantastic initiator and able to get aggressive enemies off of dying teamates, something ares ult cannot do as fast. And hel. First off, a god getting rebalanced to fit with the rest of the game does not make them weak. Second, the anti healing was in season 2 as well, no idea why this was brought up b/c I almost always got anti heal if there was a need for it. Third, hel has massive increase in mp5 when in light stance, so if you're low on mana you forfeit a little damage to regain some. Fourth, healers are supposed to be sustainers in a fight, not burst healing that gets you from 0-100 in one shot. That's how all the healers work, but hel has the advantage of ramping it up by staying in light stance. You play to the situation. Early in fights you stay in dark stance for high damage and pop top light to quickly regain ally health. Prolonged fights you need to stay in light to keep up ally health better and pop in dark to do a bit of damage when you can. Why are you looking at stance switch anyway? Bad choice, I think. Not true ultimate. If anything, these are better because you get 6 abilities in one. Damage+selfheal, cc cleanse that is up far more often than beads, large aoe heal+speed boost, ranged aoe attack, protection reduction+slow, hard aoe damage.
+Marc Mitchell u should use it to trap not for initiation and u use it to finish off ppl only if necessary. usually u wait opponent leap, then u cage them and a cabra 1 activation usually is enough to make opponents use their leaps XD
+Sammy S a lot of people just want him getting buffs and complain about everything he has to offer "his ult doesnt deal damage" = "ffs, just buff him, he needs it" i guess, at least sometimes that might be the case, i can't imagine everyone complaining about his ult dealing no damage is completely serious about it
You are right at almost all, people who dislike know nothing of smite, like 90% of the community. Said that, i think i'd put cupid ultimate in first position because you know... it's impossible to hit someone with a brain. There are a lot of cc immunity skills, even sprint and high moviment speed help you to counter it.You only have to build Masamune and fatalis if you are an adc, to win easy on cupid.
+Oto Suchomel How? It hits all enemies and gives map vision for everyone. It can confirm kills and do some damage for when a teammate is in a fight. How many times have you used Aegis to get away from someone with low HP only to realize a Nu Wa ult is coming? It's not a top 5 ult, but for sure not a worst 5.
+Cyanide So basically it's only good when your team can't buy wards and can't confirm kills.And it's on a 110s CD which makes it one of the longest CDs in the game
Night Elk The entire map can't be warded and wards can expire. Say that were to happen, and now you have vision. And, it CAN confirm kills IF someone gets away. You also disregarded that it helps teammates because you're also doing damage to someone that they would otherwise be fighting alone. And so what? It does decent damage and you get a lot from it. So long you don't just fucking spam when you can.
How is Nu wa's ult the worst? if your using it for damage you're using it wrong, you're supposed to use it to give vision to your allys and confirming kills.
Hels ult isn't bad at all, it's just her passive that's lacking. I love playing as Hel and enjoy destroying people using this so called worst ult in the game.
You would be the only Hel I've seen in conquest since this season started. I would love to see it too honestly. However I stand strong that she isn't as powerful as everyone is saying since I've been awaiting a good Hel since the Season 2 Nerf.
+Owen Mackenzie Not in the slightest. I use her a lot, and I almost always win matches with her, even when the enemy team uses curse. All you need to do is put a 2 down under the ally (allies) you need to heal most and your good.
The thing is, Hel is NOT OP. Try playing Scylla or He Bo before you say something like that lol He Bo knocks them up in the air and ones, insta death. You don't get a chance to heal because you're in the air. Scylla ult+Root, good luck healing through a one shot lol
Lamia Emberheart If you are against a HeBo as any god he will one shot you, but he has a very limited range. Syclla's root can be cleansed by hel's 2...
I dont agree with the Hel thing, because the heals and purify let's her completely block ults like Medusas, and can quickly slow enemies then speed herself up for great escapes or stopping enemies from running
1. Ah Puch 2. Xing Tian 3. Jing Wei 4. Bastet 5. Nu Wa Empty the Crypts is basically a giant zoning tool. You have no way to confirm the damage other than slows from Undead Surge or Gem of Isolation. The fact that the wraiths can be body blocked doesn't help him. It pales to other zoning-sustain damage type ults like Hou Yi or even Zhong. I chose Fire Shards because of how lackluster it is. It provides 3 things - free damage, map vision, and temporary cc immunity/banish. The ult doesn't do enough damage to get kills unless they're really low and to most others it's just a little bit of poke. While the temporary escape is useful, you telegraph where you land and can get ambushed. Cataclysm doesn't belong on the list to be honest. It was never meant to be a damaging ult like Wrath of Terra. It shines when your team can follow up properly to assure they get the kill and not you. The fact that you can purify it is of course an option but if you hit multiple people with it you can waste their beads so they can't use it when someone else on your team has another CC ultimate like Ao Kuang or Ne Zha for example. I don't consider Switch Stances to be an ultimate but rather an extension of one's kit.
regardless of everyone who is bitching at you about why youre wrong, you gave good reasoning and plenty of thought behind this list and im cool with that
As someone who has mained bastet I was shocked to see her ult on there until I listened to your reasons....bad dooring is extremely useful but I do hate that it's my main function late game lol. Bastet doesn't have much fear factor late game since as your said, the cats can be easily stunned/bursted down
Here is the thing, some ultimates are designed in mind of early to mid game, some for late game. That does not mean that an early-mid game ult is worse. Bastet mostly roams, and she'll be able to get powerful because of her ult. Yeah, damagewise it falls off lategame, but its point is not the damage.
Ne zha's ult early game: good ult for picking off players. late game: requires crit items like malice or death bringer without that you will deal half or a thrid of a hunters hp. Also if you miss it when going into a team fight your dead.
with help you never have to wait for ur next ability because the cooldowns aren't slow enough to make u actually wait thats why hello is amazing she has 4 amazing ability(heal, both projectiles, and the ability that damages around her. The ult makes it so she can not worry about the cd which is amazing. Always able to do something.
I would say Ravana ult is a bit lack luster, when he came out it tracked a god if you locked on to a player, but now you can easily miss it and its more of an escape tool now. But it is satisfying when you use it. You see Ravana jump in the air and slams down on someone to get the kill.
jing wei was exactly how I felt about her, her ult is almost useless except for ambushes and almost amazing at escapes, except u charge so they can just finish u before u lift off xD
I love playing as Hel, I've had so many epic games with her. IDK about it being the worst ULT...but I do concede that the fact that changes in Season 3 have left her looking kinda lackluster...having to wait for full healing or damage potential (which is quite often not an option!) is kinda ridiculous, considering other Mage's ULTs have crazy Damage potential...yet her ULT...gives a Stance Change that you have to wait for a bit to use at its full potential. So, I agree that the mechanics of it kinda suck, but at the same time I still love using Hel :D
I was worried when I saw Kumbhakarna in the thumbnail, since that ult is amazing (possibly mostly because it's hilarious). As for Geb, his is ok too. I've found that I enjoy using his 2, then 4 to keep people off of the bomb minion when it gets too close to their side in arena. Then I roll away, because Geb doesn't look at explosions.
He left ullr out because a) hunter, and b) he gets more benefits from his axe stance than hel gets with her light one. He gets a stun which I've seen used by many masters to wreck me, his escape is in his axe stance, he gets as much lifesteal as a fully stacked dev's gauntlets, and he has a speed buff. While his axe stance isn't the better of the two (axe and bow) it is as important as his bow stance.
i do desagree with hel, i was expecting other 1srt worst ultimate. jing wei it's been the one god that i couldn't use the ultimate to do anything but escaping; but still.nice job surching and studying all the ultimates!
Personally I agree with the list other than Xing Tian, Jing Wei and Hel. Okay I agree that their ults had fallen behind because new gods seem to be able to counter and old gods are receiving buffs to their ults or a change in abilities to counter such ults. Xing Tian's ult should be a bit lower, maybe below Geb but above Bastet. Xing Tian is a Guardian, if you compare the charge up time for ults among Guardians, they are pretty much close to the same(other than Bacchus, Geb, Syl). Its kinda appropriate that Xing Tian's ult has a charge up time that long. Imagine seeing a Xing Tian coming your way with ult charging, coming just in time to body block your attack on that low hp Loki, it gives you a sense of area denial, it makes you stay away, which is what such offensive Guardians are meant to do in my opinion, they scare you to get away from their allies. Ares gives the same fear with 2 and ult. Jing Wei's ult is underwelming I know, even me when I play her it really is. But then again its skillshot, Jing Wei's ult can do some serious ganks, sure you may miss but the enemy might not expect a adc suddenly popping behind them and spamming explosive bolts which kills them. Hel, okay its really something like Ullr's ult, switch stance. But buff wise Ullr to me is the weaker one. Hel at least can gain some sustain and impact depending on stance, most mages rarely have that kind of sustain in early game. Sure its sustain gets lower as game progresses but it really doesn't deserve number 1. I personally think Ullr should be up there. My personal opinion is that no ult really is that bad, they still can make an impact if you can use them to your advantage.
I agree with you tyre on king Weiss having the worst hunter ult. Since it just provides nothing much but an escape and a cc immunity. Can you do a top 5 worst models/animations?
I am honestly so surprised that you didn't include kukulkans ult. Not only is it Ra's ult but worse it is so easy to avoid or aegis. It the reason I don't play kuk
I don't really agree with you, as a person who plays KKK multiple times in all the game modes in the current Meta, KKK's ult can be the most op thing in a game if it hits you. Barely have I seen a god hit by the ultimate gets away with more than half their health. There is even an achievement for KKK to kill an enemy god with full health with the ult(which I already have). Situation wise, KKK's ult alone can cause real pain. Take the Joust jungle, KKK can cover the whole single area. Conquest those small gaps that cross between jungle and lane KKK's ult is enough.
I knew it, I just KNEW Jing Wei would top the list. Don't get me wrong, she has become my bread and wine ever since her release, I absolutely love her, but that ult is still so bad. Long wind up time, lacking damage, 80% of times I find a good chance to use it is indeed to escape only. Her whole kit is perfect, but I just hope they would do something about Air Strike. Like being able to use it during her Passive or something, I don't know.
Jing Wei's ult is good if you can make the shot like by if somebodys running in the jungle on joust and you can hit them through the wall and if you DO miss just catch up to them.
Hel can heal and heal herself, as well as cleanse cc with her stance. Keep in mind, Hel is the ONLY God who can cleanse you of your crowd control. Literally, most OP Xing Tian combo: Xing Tian, Odin, Zeus, Thanatos, and Poseidon.He throws them into Odin, Odin ults, Poseidon ults, Zeus ults, Thanatos snags the stragglers.
Ao Kuangs is the BEST ultimate, mostly because his ult. is an attack PLUS an escape. If you do not choose to flee, it can act as a double kill opportunity ;)
I have diamond Hel and I love to play with her, the switch stance is an awesome ability, it helps you spend more time on the solo lane, but as you mentioned, the heals have been nerfed a lot last season, and for Hel was something major, considering the fact that you have to change stances to gain heal, unlike Chang'e wich can heal instantly. I played against a Chang'e on the solo, and the heal buff that she got was noticeable, while Hel got a cleanse buff, I know Hi-rez is trying to make Hel easier to play, but that buff won't help her perform well against a Chang'e or a Ra heal
1. Bastets cat scales very well throughout beginning and endgame, they're meant to use at mid-low health. 2. Geb needs rework. 3.Sylvana needs rework. 4.Xin shin is completely fine, hes a pusher/no escape character. 5. That flying girl needs a duration buff. 6. Hel imo is perfect shes a back line and/or kill stealer character
+jourdan mcrae Why do people like you insist everyone needs a rework if they are even slightly under performing? Geb does not need a rework. I don't know what the hell you're smoking if you think Geb of all gods needs a rework. His kit is perfect as a support with a shield cleansing CC and providing extra HP, he has a knockup and an AOE %damage and stunning ultimate. In what way does that need a rework? Sylvanus doesn't need a rework either. For what he's supposed to do, Sylv is fine. He has great CC that's not too tough to hit, the pull being the hardest of them. All Sylv needs kit wise is his passive to activate with ranged autos as well and he'd be perfect again. He's not played right now because of immobility and easily countered by slows and anti-healing, which Winged Blade is a staple pick for Sylv. Bastet's cats are not good late game, scaling or not. Mages with 600+ end game power oneshot the cats and leave her useless. At best they are used late purely for splitpush. That's it. Xing as mentioned is fine. Jing's ult is too slow and has half decent escape mechanics being able to go over walls, but any god with a leap or jump can just close that gap back and avoid the damage too. Hel isn't perfect and for 2 reasons. 1) She has all the damage and utility to be the most broken character in Smite. HiRez literally cannot touch this god because she'll either be broken or trash. Antiheal is too prevalent in the game for her to be good, her lack of mobility/escape makes her easily campable. Sure, get her to late game and she's one of the best supportive mages in the game, but getting her to late game is increasingly difficult.
+JMacTucker it really hasn't I'm not going to read a page long text and reply on it due to the fact you seem mad which won't end well. it's my opinion font need you to force yours down my throat
I don't understand why people are saying 'ratatoskr's ult is one of the worst'. Just because the god is considered the worst doesn't mean his whole kit is bad. Ratatoskr's ult is one of the best escapes or catch ups an assassin can have, as it moves much faster than a thana ult, and goes further than a thor ult, as well as providing a good 8 seconds in the air to plan your next move. Don't fall into the thinking that 'god is not meta=everything about it is bad'. If anything, tyr's ult is bad, because you use it in the exact same way as you use a blink. Sure, it does damage and a slow, but you don't use it for that. You use it to get behind the enemy and push them out of position. That's it. Or escape, one of the two.
Lol. Tyr is my favorite god. The ult I somewhat have to agree. Like it can get kills but if it had more range that be sick and not op. Blink can only go so far. Or They could just make it can execution jk that be broken.
It's wind up time is stupid for escaping, you can get killed trying to get up easily. If you land on someone, you're not cc immune so you can get out boxed while only dealing a small percentage. It's easy to predict so the enemy can easily position themselves and get their cc ready. Right now, it's bad.
u have to stun the enemy with the tornado thingy then use jing wei's ultimate with precise timing. it's perfect for enemies who think they're safe next to their tower or Phoenix. or use it the moment they turn around do to low health. it's like Kukulkan's out but with more width and less range
afro>cabrakan>ymir>geb>jingwei afro:u MAY can salve some one, but is just 2seg so if they have a dash or a jump to follow u or your partner they can confirm the kill cabra: just useful if the oponent didnt have a jump, and in a lane can be easy scape just walking. And are the only tank ult that dont give CC imune. ymir: great danage BUT realy hard to use correctly.
Ullr's ult is basically a stun, a jump that does damage, and a speed bonus. Definitely not one of the worsts but in my opinion chaac definitely needs a buff to his ult for the only thing that it is really good for is the cc immunity.
i agree with your #1 pick.... i have NOT been able to play Hel since season 3 because her damage doesnt compare to mages who DO have an ultimate ability to use for massive damage...
You don't outplay a god you outplay a player. And he's not outplaying anyone, he's not getting kills he could have gotten. How do you define "outplaying"?
Tbh, right now rats ult is the worst. It does damage, yes, but nothing else and positions him weirdly. For an ultimate attack, it's not very game changing.
even if your guys are saying rat is ult is bad.think about it... the ult is 9 seconds long and the mobility is good and it does damage! how can you its bad
+kib woo It has damage, just not good damage. A decent player can predict a landing and trap rat or position accordingly. The only good thing is the distance, but that's outmatched by Apollo even.
As much as I love Jing Wei, I hate her ult. I really think it should've been 1st place because I don't think I've killed anything that wasn't killable by a shot or two from just holding R2. The thing I hate the MOST about her ult is that start up time. You can actually launch a jet in the same amount of time when using a catapult as it takes her to take off.
I personally think Hou Yi's ulti should be on this list. Just like with Xing Tian, enemies have tons of time to escape the area or use Sanctuary. Mostly because if that it's not one high damage shot but many with pretty weak damage, I think it's a very weak ult if you don't have like 2 or more gods that have CC.
Nu Wa's ult damage is so low that its only utility is securing kills on really low HP enemies who are running away...Something most gods can do by using regular leap/dash abilities. I would definitely place her somewhere on this list.
+SDFGReturns i played a lot of nu wa in season 2 and her ulti was fine... yes the dmg sucks but it give you the location of the entire enemy team prevents people from backing from across the map if your teams is bding and can be used to buy you time for your cds to reset when you get ganked. in short its a utility ulti and not a dmg ulti. tho in season 3 yes it needs its old dmg scaling back pre nerf
I think bastet should have had an ult more like bakasura something like when you auto attack an enemy you gain a stack for your ult the for a couple of seconds the more stacks the more damage speed etc the cats have just something instead of using your 2 and ulting and not even doing anything after that
leaving ullr out didnt really surprise me sure his ult cant really deal a ton of dmg since hes not building bruiser/tank but he has a stun a jump and when he switches stances if memory serves he cleanses cc
I pretty much agree with everything on this list. I love hel but I do agree with the stance. It sucks because if they buff her she's op if they nerf her she's underpowered. Never a good situation.
Hel's ult MAKES the god, far more than Ullr's. Her passive doesn't decrease healing and damage, it INCREASES IT, and the player decided which is INCREASED. Also, you're looking at ultimates, not passives. Her ult gives her 2 heals, a 3rd direct damage ability, and a CC immunity. You want to compare her to Aphro? Fine. Aphro can heal one player, offers almost no damage, and can make her and one player immune for a short while. Hel can full heal the team, make any players she wants CC immune, all the while demolishing the enemies. Her light stance (ult form) 3 is also a team wide speed boost. Couple that with her clease (ult form) and you have Sprint with an 8 second cooldown. Maybe she suffers because she lacks a single hard burst damage ability, but when you have 3 damaging abilities, 2 heals, a cleanse, a slow, and a protection decrease in her kit? How dare you say her ult is bad!?
Dude jing Wei and geb have amazing, geb yes really can only blink to start but a geb that builds health stuns and does a ton of damage.and jing Wei alt can do decent damage, but if the team are all together or an ares alt can do a nice combo to start a team fight with and without a team fight in mind it adds a 3rd dash/movement for her
a lot of people say nemesis but she's got the potential to force someone out of a fight or force them to take quite a punishment because of reduced movement and protections. I feel like sol has a terrible ultimate. the time between casting and the pillars appearing is too long it makes it too hard to hit for too little damage.
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how dare you have an opinion?
and i loved the wow touch on Cata ult ×D
+ExpAziz LOL nice joke bro!
This is a very very bad list....
It is a well thought list which you have no rebuttal for.
+TydeTyme no you just don't know what your talking about geb's ult is....insane hel doesn't have a ult to even criticize just a really good set of abilities and xing's ult is very unique and very good for handling situations even if they have time to move it's about 1 second and your cc immune even if they try to run you usually have sprint and most times when your in solo your not facing many with a dash (btw just because sylvanius does damage doesn't mean it's better they're also cc immune while in the air).
Braden Coates Actually you missed the reason that Geb is here instead of sylvanus which means I know you have little to no idea what you're trying to argue. Which is fine. My rebuttal is in the video watch it again. Listen for those key points about CC diminishing returns and the rules at the start of the video. With that being said, attempting to reason anything past this point would be pointless.
+TydeTyme if this was just a one man stun I'd agree this is a mass stun and with the correct combo of God's your as good as dead.
+TydeTyme if this was just a one man stun I'd agree this is a mass stun and with the correct combo of God's your as good as dead.
Kind of crazy how much you play this game yet still you know so little about it :\
+Slaytanicc heactually doesnt play it as much as you think
Panos Xatz Pretty sure he has at least 500 hours, if not closer to 750. That's more than enough to know the game a lot better than he currently does. He pretty much has the knowledge of someone who just passed their 100th hour. Not to be a dick or anything. Just an observation.
Fair enough,but in what of the things he said you disagree?
He was right about geb,jing and bastet,I completely disagree about hel and kinda disagree about xing
Panos Xatz Probably everything except for Jing Wei. Maybe to a tiny degree i'll agree on Hel too, but also not really. The problem is Tyde is looking at the abilities strictly from a damage perspective, and you can't do that. He has very little knowledge, it seems, on how valuable some Ults are in a teamfight scenario. Whether they do a ton of damage, or no damage at all.
+Slaytanicc Whirlwind on the list of worst ults? ok
dude hel has like a wombo combo with her ult if work right
Right? I'm so offended
+Oct avola why are you offended? It's his opinion and he can say what he thinks
lol hel is Great hahaha but it is his opinion
True if you do 2314 over and over you can basically kill every one
Did you watch the video completely? Hel ult or Ullr ult only count one of their stance, for Hel, it count only her Light stance in which it kinda useless in my opinion. Btw, we don't count her Dark stance
Bastet cats are extremely good though if they trap an enemy.
+Archn Scythe They can't trap anything if they're dead.
If you kill them before they get to you its a useless ult unless you use it to make the enemy either focus on the cats or go for bastet.
+LittleIslander if you use bastets ult the enemys health should be low and if its low there retreating if the retreating they cant kill the cats if they turn around you kill them... its that simple in 1v1s at least :p
Taken GTs Yea if the enemy sprint is on cooldown they can either turn around kill the cats and try to run(But most likely get killed by bastet) Or just use a relic to get away.
Easier said than done
I believe Ravana is more deserving of the list than Hel because his ult has about the same effective range and area of effect as Loki's, but doesnt provide bonus damage, a stun, and isnt a blink. It's an incredibly easy ultimate to dodge since you can see him jumping, when compared to the similar ult of Loki's which is hard to dodge due to it being a blink. Loki's is also a quicker escape
+Chris Hughes but it gives him damage reduction, which is great
Not to mention other deities have something similar, and are NORMAL moves.
And then Ravana does less damage to people he didn't hit. Great job if you missed it.
Yea but Loki is an assassin, and Ravana is a warrior. Warrior ults are mostly bad.
He's an Assassin now and ultimate hits harder than Loki
hel's ult is considered to be her light stance...by you. and only by you :/
+yeruyeru :D I'm the only one with this list. So... yeh me and only me made a list of this. >.> Its why I'm around. I'm also the only one to make duel guides. Me... and only me.
+TydeTyme ok? and the fact that you make them is relevant how? either way, hel's ult is the ability to switch stances and the passive benefits from upgrading the ability. it's not the stance it switches to first. that's a disagreement I have with it, and also the disagreement many of your comenters have. if you have a problem with it then don't ask for our opinions at the end of your videos.
+yeruyeru :D Its not that i have a problem with your opinions. However I more or less comfirmed yours. If you have an issue with mine then you shouldn't comment I guess? Its the internet. You have an opinion, prepare for opinionated replies.
But it wasnt an opinionated reply to it. It was a statement that had no basis in the argument of your video. :|
+yeruyeru :D Well you said that I was the only one who did something. Then i agreed saying that I'm the only one who does a lot of things. If your comment was an opinion and not a statement, then so was mine. :| We stand on the same field and you've got your fists up for some reason.
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Was expecting Nu Wa but the full map reveal is great if timed.
+Георгий Черный Yeah and also pop frenzy before you ult to get that extra 20% damage. It can be strong but early on its so pointless lol
+Marc Mitchell more than 500 to all the goods just for push 4? and also the best ult to kill a low enemy and take a lot of asistences from other lines in your line? that shit is op :P
+MisterSimmer88 See I've done the calculations, her 4 does 400+30% so go glass cannon and you get 792 power (full stacks no buffs), that's a total of 637, but that's without defence taken into account, so if the enemy team was near a heartward user you'd only do 318 damage, that's a non crit off an assassin type damage, with a 110 second cooldown.
+Marc Mitchell of course nuwa is bulded with penetration and tauthi and btw his ultimate is not her only damage abilitie, she have other 3 and the second also reduce magical protection :p
It's good for picking off those pussies that run away. Which can get your team enough time to turn the tides.
You start with bastet? Wtf? If you think its bad than you dont know how to use it. Tower focus down for 10 FULL seconds or more
Same for Xing, you don't know how to use it....
And why do you keep focussing that ymir....
Wtf do you say that the WHOLE light stance is worse than any ult in the game. Are you out of your mind? Those heals keep everyone alive and sustained.
I think your vid quality has gone up, but the things you put in there are starting to get less overthought... sorry man
I don't mean to pick a fight, I just wanna tell you this video makes little sense
+Marcel Holt
Xing's ult was nerfed to hell last patch, really lacks in comparison to Ares' ult by having smaller area and is much more easily countered. He wasn't focussing Ymir, it's just that he used clips of when Ymir was the only one in lane and he ulted to get the kill for the team, same with when they were running through jungle, ulting to save a teammate.
The light stance is great, yes, but as he said, it falls off due to the fact that there is a lot of anti-healing now compared to season 2, and the fact that it "attunes" to each stance - that mechanic is useless because in a team-fight, you're switching stances so often that one stance will always be more attuned. Hel has sustain, yes, but smaller and spread out when compared to Aphro.
Just in case you were also wondering about Geb - Tyde is right, it's a blink-stun combo with nothing else. Sylvanus has way more utility and potential with his ultimate - being able to secure kills if need be, it's a knock-up which is less easily countered than a stun (except for Jing Wei as mentioned).
The video makes perfect sense.
David Hauck Yeah lets think of one of the hundred scenarios and be fucking salty about that one and that one only. fuck you
Have you played Xing since his ult got its nerf? It's garbage. Bastet using her cats for pushing in a tower? Guess what, kuldr does it better. As well as the fact that mages just wipe the cats out in one ability late game.
Hels mana usage is so high, there is only so much time she can heal people before she loses all her mana, or gets focused down because she has barely any left
flagmuffin1221 In the jungle he had the choice between 3 people. He chose Ymir. And he chose ymir in lane too so stop whining. And no. It's not saving a teammate
They still have to BUY anti healing and in the case of magical characters this sucks. And the heals still work
A big part of this video does not make sense
Sorry tyde but but your knowledge of the game is lack luster. You say hel's " ultimate " is bad but gives her and her teammates a heal plus a solo heal and a cleanse your basing her off of that shes a burst mage comparing her ult to anubis or raijin yet she can easily carry a game with her " bad ult " you said she was bad compared to season 2 but idk if you forgot how broke she was back then hel like alot of gods cannot exist being good or they break the game, hel, baka,
+Eric Dr. The "was" broke and "is" broke are totally two different things. I explained why and there isn't a lack of knowledge. Infact I event TOLD YOU in the video WHY i chose it in the video you just watched and commented on twice. I was very clear with this season's Anti-heals its made her much worse and nearly unplayable. This is season 3 baby. Get with the times.
+TydeTyme You chose a stance switch god as they worst " ultimate " and then stated shes not as good as season 2 healing is a boring thing in smite and most healers at one point were all broken sylvanus, aphro, hel and even tyr, Hel will never be good again get with the times hel will need a new kit for her too be good. Also anubises ult is trash easily they worst god in the game just because you can insta kill a squishy if you catch them out of position doesnt make it good
+Eric Dr. Hel does not require a new kit. They just need to drop the punishment on Anti-Heals and she'd be relevant again. I don't think you have a valid agruement with me anymore xD By the way Anubis has the strongest Ultimate in the game out of sheer damage. I wouldn't knock it. By being one of those ultimates it can't be on this list what so ever. Having the "most" anything would make it impossible to judge it as worst.
+TydeTyme Hel doesnt need a new kit????? That god will never be in a state of balance if she gets a buff in anyway it breaks the game and she becomes instantly the best god thats why she needs a new kit. How is anubis ult going to save him from a gank? if a anubis misses his 2 and tries to ult nothing will happen that ults only good if you hit every tick of damage
The most lackluster ult wouldn't make it impossible to judge it as worst.
Hey Tyde, Ive been watching for a long time, i appreciate the insight into the Ultimates and for the most part i agree. However, Bastets Ultimate is designed to A) early game destroy we all know that. B) Late game annoy, help teammates, or prevent someone from getting away. Its designed specifically as an ambush attack. In a 1v1 Bastet late game still has such a good chance against almost any god. Those cats block basics much the same as the doggy from Skadi. For that reason i would replace her on this list with say Apollo. His ultimate is great early game much the same as Bastet, but becomes useless late game as anything other than the same as Jing Wei's passive except it costs mana.
Second , Hel. I see some people being rather rude and aggressive. I get what your saying about how its really not worth the switching back and forth and so on. makes sense. However, leveling that ability itself grants some serious bonus's to her stance. Allowing massive damage in the dark and great healing and mana regen in the light. If she stays with a teammate and isn't focused immediately she can deal a TON of damage and still save her team from needing to back or from being killed off. Her "2" ability grants that cc cleanse that i swear if more people knew how to use it just.. its great. Removes the damn wrap from anubis and can save a teammate from a nasty stun. For these reasons and the fact that she is incredible late game, i would switch her with Aphrodite. Yes All of Aphros abilities are great. Except that ultimate. It saves 2 people for a few seconds from damage and cc. 1 of them is herself, and the other is usually an ADC or something of the sort. You talked about how Gebs was just a stun. Well, Aphros is just a faster "Old" Aegis that most of the time a teammate wont use that time to escape or run. And if she needs to use that ability to save a teammate its now on cooldown and cant be used for a while. Makes it not really worth its ultimate status. But thats my opinion and changes to this list. Cheers, - TheREALDargon On Smite! (;
I was watching the vid until you said Geb. Only one of the strongest ults out of all the supports. Imma just dislike and leave.
+Buzzaroni xD Alright buddy. You take care.
+TydeTyme It's just a joke m8, but in all seriousness Geb shouldn't be on the list. The amount of time I've taken 25% out of all people and set up a decide as Geb is insane. His roll makes it so you don't need blink for any setup. Just smart position and pathing.
+Buzzaroni Well that's what my face was force. I was wishing you a good day :D
It's stuns the enemy for like. 2 seconds I think it's ass everytime there is a Geb on the other team the only thing I worry about is the stupid shields.
ymir has the strongest ult tho
i dont think hel belongs on this list, she belongs on a "worst passive" list. Its her passive that gimps her. It encourages you to stay in one form for a decent amount of time, but her ult encourages you to constantly swap between the two stances often. They contradict each other. Give hel a better more fitting passive and her kit would mesh better.
At 4:10 i swear he was trying to beat box
4:08 oops
lmao
hahahahahahahaha
I just want to say great video! Its the first one of you i saw and i can really tell you put alot of time and effort into making them! Subbed! Keep up the good work! On another note dont listen to the haters, the Hel fanboys i mean, the comments seem to be 50/50, of which the 50% that agree with her are ones that actually admit she was great season 2 and not so much season 3, while the whiners who disagree are only comparing thinking of how she performs as of right now in season 3 alone.
Can you make a top 5 best ultimates? Please
YESS
Top 5 Best Ultimates
1.Ra
2.Ra
3.Ra
4.Agni
5.Krabramkun
+Narutocjw you forgot RA bro
+Narutocjw total crap what you say.. the best ults are from janus, he bo.. kukulkan...sobek and ne zha..
+FaNaTiiCZz He Bo and Kukulkan are pretty bad... Isis is much better and Scylla is also so much stronger
I was expecting Tyr to be on there :P
His ult is basically a second blink + a great escape
His ult works great with his other moves.. Countless times live ulted into a crowd and then pushed them into our tower.
I agree that his ult is great, but it's very... simple compared to many other gods'
arachne ult=just escape
+jason lae arachne ult can also be used to initiate or to chase/towerdive :3
+Doom0fGods so than she does because she lacks am escape.
Badboy2525
well, there are situations you can use her ult offensive
also you could use it to dodge ults in a teamfight and dive their backline using it defensive and offensive the same time, or just sit out a bit and reenter in the right moment at the right place
+Doom0fGods that is also true but average to below average players won't figure that out when using her
yes but the issue is that she effectively has a leap that has quite the long cooldown. most other gods have something similar but on a much much shorter cd. her kit is supposed to help initiate not her ult, thats what her spiders are supposed to be for, the issue is that she cannot initiate easily because she cannot close the gap easily because there is so much cc in this meta
Another awesome list, thanks for doing these dude
and hel is op. end of story
Didn't click off did ya!
nah just skipped to the last one
Kyle Dewitt I agree hel is op with a good kit also she's epic in grab bag
Kyle Dewitt I just realized he said he starts in dark stance I start in light stance
sadness
omg omg omg thank you Tyde !! i decided to play a ranked duel game just before and every game ive had i got my ass handed to me. Then this game i remembered back in one of your old videos of fire marshal artemis you said "i dont have to fight him, i just have to get his objectives" and im always so driven to get kills i forget about the objectives, but this time instead of chasing everytime he was low i got his objectives and i finally won my very first game ! Thank you Tyde!!! im so excited
+Taylor Crothers Very happy for you! Keep on practicing and You'll make it high up there!
I agree with the Geb one. Good for initiating, not good for trying to finish off enemies ._.
It works with Soul Rever
ulted with geb dealing 7 damage -.- support life
Take a geb ult over a nem ult any day and 2x on sunday....geb hits multiple people with a hard cc stun nem slows and steals protections from one person with winged blade so cheap and so many frontliners picking it up especially when they see nem on the other team it almost negates nems ult...plus like u said soul reaver geb can kill nem cant proc soul reaver still needs a follow up
He is an guardian he is there To help/support an not To Do the fuc*ing pentas
Anyone think Mystical Mail is useful on geb? To make him into an aoe annoyance?
Hey man, as far as I'd disagree with Hel's placement (she's simply extremely difficult to play, requires a lot of time), I have to give ya respect for making this video; it is well argued and it takes balls to take such a controversial topic on. GG and keep going.
yea jing wei Ultimate is 4 running very balance and fun character hopeful they don't buff her be cool if she got a angel outfit with a halo or maybe 4 wings like thanatos
as someone with 40+ hours on bastet alone i can tell you that her ultimate is phenomenal for picking off a solo laner, especialy of they are near a wall. Its not used to kill a full health opponent, its used to draw their fire, chip away at health, and get them stuck.
Argh I know, right? Tyde did a really terrible job on this list.
+Jack-o-Lantern yeah after I saw the geb ult on the list I disregarded the whole video
+Jack-o-Lantern if you didn't notice he did say it was HIS OPINION.
Exactly, I got fucked so hard in solo once when my dash is down and i got pinned against the entry near the jungle
Best Ultimate --> Awilix
+Stompy are you being serious or not? because i think it's actually good
+Worship Explicit IT is good, but a bit situational, specially if your team doesn't have any knock ups
+N1ghthawkL06 have you seen its stats though? The massive attack speed buff, power buff, stun, pull, and damage are just crazy. Even if your team doesn't have knock ups and you have to use your own it's still one of the best 1v1 ults in the game.
+daniel riccobono 1v1 maybe not because awilix realizes on ambushing and surprising there opponent being hit from behind or the sides which makes a little more difficult to use in a 1v1 scenario.
+daniel riccobono unñess they have a leap
Hel seriously needs some kind of buff with season 3. I totally agree with her placement.
She needs a buff, but not because of her ult. If you classify her ult as her light stance, then her "ult" gives a 3rd damaging ability and a self heal (8 second cooldown), a CC immunity for any allies she wants (14 to 10 second cooldown), and a team wide heal and speed boost (12 second cooldown). Compare that to Aphro's ult, which I bring up because Tyde Tyme specifically mentioned her: A 2 second immunity for her and one ally. Every 70 seconds. Just great. Hel's heal is better than hers, as it works on the entire team, her damage is better, Hel is in every way better than Aphrodite, including and ESPECIALLY the "ultimate".
+Wiebejamin I've seen people tell me "Hel doesn't do damage. Build defense + Healing items" I guess 750 damage from Repulse isn't actual damage then? You can build Lotus crown, Boots and Urchin, then go with Thoth & Tahouti and you have yourself a little bit tanky healer that Can do crazy damage in an AoE.
Actually I'm an Aphrodite player myself, and I find her much more useful then Hel in many situations. Aphrodite may not be able to heal multiple people at one time, but she has a lot more mobility then Hel, and if you build Aphrodite with cooldowns(You're dumb if you don't in my opinion) That ultimate is up a lot faster then 70 seconds. Have you ever 1v1ed a good Aphrodite player? Birds WRECK people, not saying I'd 1v1 with her personally, because I specifically play her as a support goddess. Yes I agree Aphrodite is also a squishy mage, but I find Hel even squishier, and it's much more harder for her to get out of a bad situation then Aphrodite.
Hel actually needs a rework like ratatoskr...
Why? because she is one of those gods who if you buff her she is op if you nerf her she is trash.. si its pretty difficult to balance like the last ratatoskr
i would put aprho's ult here. in S3 Aegis is free to get and last longer
+Fidu shitty agree but its still a last luster ult
in S3 aegis is 160sec cd aphro with cdr is 54 sec cd at max rank. as her ult is 2 sec aswell.
also u can ult with aphro while stuned but u can't aegis
i agree. you put hel at the top because Aphrodite support potential but we were just talking ults. Since Hel's ultimate includes her light stance abilities... she can cleanse and heal her whole team vs Aphrodite cleanse and dmg mitigate on one person. if she is even tethered to them at the time. plus cleanse has a shorter CD. change can avoid dmg and cc outright with her two. so all and all Aphrodite ultimate is the worst when comparing to other kits. i love it when I'm using it effectively but over all it still is very lackluster.
+ebonydragon83 Cleanse only makes you cc immune and lasts for 1.25 as opposed to 2 seconds. So you have less time to get away and you can still easily die from taking damage. They're not comparable in the slightest.
+Franco Venica really? s3 aegis doesn't give cc immunity so you have to burn your beads too... additionally aphro ult works on her and her soul mate. and unlike aegis doesn't cancel heals.... oh... and you can attack while her ult is active... so mage, assasin or hunter can dish out crazy damage, heal themselves while staying relatively safe. oh... one more thing. her ultimate has one of the lowest ult cooldowns in game... I dont remember exactly but I think she doesnt even need cooldown reduction on lvl 20 to counter every ares ult with maxed cdr. and you can use it while stunned or controlled in some other way. any way except janus's 1 I think. unless hi rez fixed that sh*t
My fave thing about the jing ult was in the PTS, I found a glitch where you could go into walls by ulting so you hover in them, and don't choose a place to land. You could get out of the Map and fall to your death.
I don't agree on number 1. Also, Nemesis ult can't kill anyone either and it only slows. I don't know why geb took flak for that.
Nemesis ult does a lot more then Gebs overall though. the protection debuff and removing more health then gebs secures a single kill more often then the short stun from Gebs.
+jean-sébastien dubé (SirKasm) Unlike Geb, Nemesis is a damage dealer. She will buy damage to make that 50% as effective as possible. SO she can pen her opponent. However as a support you won't. There's a huge difference. Plus it does so much more than just damage.
I want to add that if you buy antihealing, you still have 5 more skills to use with Hel, Aprho gey screwed but hel hav 2 skill to heal and also the mp5 with the passive can help a lot , I just don't agree with 1
In other words, buy winged blade and fuck nemesis up lol, It is still a pretty lame ult.
Ignorant ass? Yeah you know you've won an argument when people go straight to insults. I'm not even gonna bother reading past that lol stfu kid.
Maybe a Top 5 God's you'd like to see in Smite? What you think their kit would be and how they'd perform? Really love your Top 5's! Maybe after doing a whole bunch, you can do a Top 5 "Top 5 videos".
Surprisingly a trash list i saw the vid before i noticed the creator was tyde really shocked
No this list is actually really good
+Infinitebeast Games no its not
I like the list, but I had thought Chronus was going to be on it. All he does is rewind himself, doing nothing useful but getting away. Yet, even then, the enemy will have time to catch. For example, someone like Kali, Awilix, and possible He Bo. Other than that, everything else is extremely on point. Well done, my friend.
I play Hel and nox all the time and I think u were wrong about Hel.
No he's right ullr has a better ultimate with the exact same work.
+KA0S they are totally different classes
+Melvin the Hacker it takes the same time, and follows the same process, yet it improves the hunter he is exponentially comparatively to hel where it makes weakness show
I agree with everything but Hel´s "ult", I´ll explain:
First off, as of now healers are very underrated in this meta, sure, you can get a level 1 weakening but you can also get a level 1 sprint which pretty much saves you from the enemy chasing you with a weakening, on top of that Hel loves sprint because she can naturally can boost her speed with her heal, and forcing the entire enemy team to antiheal items. Yes, we all agree that her early game is very risky and needs the hand-holding of the jungler for the first 5-6 levels, but her late game its still insane. Think of her as a mid lane Guan Yu, has troubles in the laning phase and can get bullied early but if she reaches mid game she becomes a problem with a potent full team sustain, CCi and burst damage potential.
PD: Ban Odin. And yes, Hel still suffers from being behind the 6 or so op meta midlane gods, the same happens to more than half of roster, that doesnt make her a bad pick IMHO.
+Sr. Mr. López Well as I agree and reviewed that information myself, in this Meta I can't get her to work at any angle. A divine ruin/Beat stick stops me from doing anything useful for the team meaning that I'm stuck as a pillar of damage. At that point I might as well play a more controlling mage that can support a team with more damage than attempt to heal.
I'll hope they lessen the punishment to healing soon being I used to play Hel so very much in Solo/Mid/Duel
Lately I haven´t had many issues with brawlers because rnjesus crit meta for hunters is back and solo laners dont pick it very often, and if the opposing mid laner picks divine they are missing enough damage to give my team overall an edge. Junglers are my only concern build-wise when I pick Hel. But yeah, even then I have to admit that Hel is a risky pick, but underrated and with a lot of potential.
Anyways, amen to that final paragraph!
And as always if a pick doesn´t work for you dont force it and play what you know you can be good at, extra points if its a rare pick.
Hel? unsub
The only ones I agree with here are jing wei and geb. Bastets cats are terrifying if you use them right, and xiang tin is a fantastic initiator and able to get aggressive enemies off of dying teamates, something ares ult cannot do as fast.
And hel. First off, a god getting rebalanced to fit with the rest of the game does not make them weak. Second, the anti healing was in season 2 as well, no idea why this was brought up b/c I almost always got anti heal if there was a need for it. Third, hel has massive increase in mp5 when in light stance, so if you're low on mana you forfeit a little damage to regain some. Fourth, healers are supposed to be sustainers in a fight, not burst healing that gets you from 0-100 in one shot. That's how all the healers work, but hel has the advantage of ramping it up by staying in light stance. You play to the situation. Early in fights you stay in dark stance for high damage and pop top light to quickly regain ally health. Prolonged fights you need to stay in light to keep up ally health better and pop in dark to do a bit of damage when you can.
Why are you looking at stance switch anyway? Bad choice, I think. Not true ultimate. If anything, these are better because you get 6 abilities in one. Damage+selfheal, cc cleanse that is up far more often than beads, large aoe heal+speed boost, ranged aoe attack, protection reduction+slow, hard aoe damage.
hel has op heals you aint playing her right
Lawliet L Hel is shit
Thank god you didn't add Cabrakan. A lot of people complain about his ultimate doing "no damage" LOL.
Those people obviously initiate with his ult instead of ending with it.
+Sammy S it does damage:v
+Marc Mitchell u should use it to trap not for initiation and u use it to finish off ppl only if necessary. usually u wait opponent leap, then u cage them and a cabra 1 activation usually is enough to make opponents use their leaps XD
+Sammy S a lot of people just want him getting buffs and complain about everything he has to offer
"his ult doesnt deal damage" = "ffs, just buff him, he needs it" i guess, at least sometimes that might be the case, i can't imagine everyone complaining about his ult dealing no damage is completely serious about it
Why isn't Ah Puch on the list? His ult was great once but now it is kinda lackluster
If you can trap someone between you and a wall, it ain't. Well, at least from my experience.
+Beautiful Thingy His ult is very good for pushing
+Foxboy 614 He needs Gem of Iso for his ult to be somewhat useful considering how you can get Sprint at lvl 1.
yeah even tho its weak now it is good for objective pushing not as good as zeus ult
I just feel gods like Hou Yi and Zeus does a way better job
This guy's mindset: "if it doesn't do 1 million damage at all stages of the game then it's bad"
Excuse me? I think I explain at the beginning I do the exact opposite. Thank you.
as if anyone could make it to late game against bastet
haha
+Zarozapa CnJ Only if you're mobile enough to not die to cats.
+ICHBinCOOLERalsJemand nu wa laughs at bastet's cats
Shes easy to shut down, legit wait for her jump and cover her return 70% time she'll jump back setting you up with her escape now down
You are right at almost all, people who dislike know nothing of smite, like 90% of the community. Said that, i think i'd put cupid ultimate in first position because you know... it's impossible to hit someone with a brain. There are a lot of cc immunity skills, even sprint and high moviment speed help you to counter it.You only have to build Masamune and fatalis if you are an adc, to win easy on cupid.
Can you make a top 5 combos?
+10mikey Odin nox works too, its not necessarily ares.
+Mostafa Odin Zeus
+Mostafa Stun/root(/knockup if pull needs it like awilix)+pull + nox. this is cancer.
Ullr 'nuff said
Saderich The Rich You need a cupid/bakasura ult for the cripple, then its tears
Hel is such a high burst damage God especially her heals with acelpius she is so good
I think Nu Wa's ult is the worst.
+Oto Suchomel How? It hits all enemies and gives map vision for everyone. It can confirm kills and do some damage for when a teammate is in a fight. How many times have you used Aegis to get away from someone with low HP only to realize a Nu Wa ult is coming? It's not a top 5 ult, but for sure not a worst 5.
+Cyanide So basically it's only good when your team can't buy wards and can't confirm kills.And it's on a 110s CD which makes it one of the longest CDs in the game
Night Elk The entire map can't be warded and wards can expire. Say that were to happen, and now you have vision. And, it CAN confirm kills IF someone gets away. You also disregarded that it helps teammates because you're also doing damage to someone that they would otherwise be fighting alone. And so what? It does decent damage and you get a lot from it. So long you don't just fucking spam when you can.
How is Nu wa's ult the worst? if your using it for damage you're using it wrong, you're supposed to use it to give vision to your allys and confirming kills.
+Night Elk you can also buy things like divine ruin and reduce there healing for 7 seconds. Or you can buy gem of Isolation and help chasing targets
Hels ult isn't bad at all, it's just her passive that's lacking. I love playing as Hel and enjoy destroying people using this so called worst ult in the game.
same she should be put off the list
You would be the only Hel I've seen in conquest since this season started. I would love to see it too honestly. However I stand strong that she isn't as powerful as everyone is saying since I've been awaiting a good Hel since the Season 2 Nerf.
I agree with hel, season 2 she was badass, my first ever level 10 mastery god... now shes trash ;-;
+Owen Mackenzie Not in the slightest. I use her a lot, and I almost always win matches with her, even when the enemy team uses curse. All you need to do is put a 2 down under the ally (allies) you need to heal most and your good.
+EliJenkin Her 2 doesn't boost her heal. Hope you know that
Beautiful Thingy Yeah, i do, but it removes negative CC, a.k.a, slow/healing debuff
The thing is, Hel is NOT OP. Try playing Scylla or He Bo before you say something like that lol He Bo knocks them up in the air and ones, insta death. You don't get a chance to heal because you're in the air. Scylla ult+Root, good luck healing through a one shot lol
Lamia Emberheart If you are against a HeBo as any god he will one shot you, but he has a very limited range. Syclla's root can be cleansed by hel's 2...
I dont agree with the Hel thing, because the heals and purify let's her completely block ults like Medusas, and can quickly slow enemies then speed herself up for great escapes or stopping enemies from running
+Chris Hughes Also if you die once with Hel you're in the light stance if you never use the ult
+10mikey man jing's ultimate is trash and takes forever to use and ny the time you do use it the enemy is out of range or your dead.
Geb? are you high?
+Kamron Bennett I dunno. Did you watch? lol
Yes. You seemed high
yeah he is
Hey tyde keep up the great work on these videos. If I can could I request more theory videos?
i think chaac ult is the worst
why? he's haves very great damage to and when you silence them it's almost over
It's got like a 7 second silence
+Ktores Drifter Its really easy to escape.
+MrWar2244 not that easy because if they have no escape it's just over
+Sergio Salamanca Plus it knocks up when close enough
1. Ah Puch
2. Xing Tian
3. Jing Wei
4. Bastet
5. Nu Wa
Empty the Crypts is basically a giant zoning tool. You have no way to confirm the damage other than slows from Undead Surge or Gem of Isolation. The fact that the wraiths can be body blocked doesn't help him. It pales to other zoning-sustain damage type ults like Hou Yi or even Zhong.
I chose Fire Shards because of how lackluster it is. It provides 3 things - free damage, map vision, and temporary cc immunity/banish. The ult doesn't do enough damage to get kills unless they're really low and to most others it's just a little bit of poke. While the temporary escape is useful, you telegraph where you land and can get ambushed.
Cataclysm doesn't belong on the list to be honest. It was never meant to be a damaging ult like Wrath of Terra. It shines when your team can follow up properly to assure they get the kill and not you. The fact that you can purify it is of course an option but if you hit multiple people with it you can waste their beads so they can't use it when someone else on your team has another CC ultimate like Ao Kuang or Ne Zha for example.
I don't consider Switch Stances to be an ultimate but rather an extension of one's kit.
regardless of everyone who is bitching at you about why youre wrong, you gave good reasoning and plenty of thought behind this list and im cool with that
As someone who has mained bastet I was shocked to see her ult on there until I listened to your reasons....bad dooring is extremely useful but I do hate that it's my main function late game lol. Bastet doesn't have much fear factor late game since as your said, the cats can be easily stunned/bursted down
Here is the thing, some ultimates are designed in mind of early to mid game, some for late game. That does not mean that an early-mid game ult is worse. Bastet mostly roams, and she'll be able to get powerful because of her ult. Yeah, damagewise it falls off lategame, but its point is not the damage.
Ne zha's ult early game: good ult for picking off players. late game: requires crit items like malice or death bringer without that you will deal half or a thrid of a hunters hp. Also if you miss it when going into a team fight your dead.
i really didn't expect bastet to be on the list but damn, it must be pretty damn hard to choose from such a diverse list XD
with help you never have to wait for ur next ability because the cooldowns aren't slow enough to make u actually wait thats why hello is amazing she has 4 amazing ability(heal, both projectiles, and the ability that damages around her. The ult makes it so she can not worry about the cd which is amazing. Always able to do something.
I would say Ravana ult is a bit lack luster, when he came out it tracked a god if you locked on to a player, but now you can easily miss it and its more of an escape tool now. But it is satisfying when you use it. You see Ravana jump in the air and slams down on someone to get the kill.
jing wei was exactly how I felt about her, her ult is almost useless except for ambushes and almost amazing at escapes, except u charge so they can just finish u before u lift off xD
I love playing as Hel, I've had so many epic games with her. IDK about it being the worst ULT...but I do concede that the fact that changes in Season 3 have left her looking kinda lackluster...having to wait for full healing or damage potential (which is quite often not an option!) is kinda ridiculous, considering other Mage's ULTs have crazy Damage potential...yet her ULT...gives a Stance Change that you have to wait for a bit to use at its full potential. So, I agree that the mechanics of it kinda suck, but at the same time I still love using Hel :D
I was worried when I saw Kumbhakarna in the thumbnail, since that ult is amazing (possibly mostly because it's hilarious). As for Geb, his is ok too. I've found that I enjoy using his 2, then 4 to keep people off of the bomb minion when it gets too close to their side in arena. Then I roll away, because Geb doesn't look at explosions.
He left ullr out because a) hunter, and b) he gets more benefits from his axe stance than hel gets with her light one. He gets a stun which I've seen used by many masters to wreck me, his escape is in his axe stance, he gets as much lifesteal as a fully stacked dev's gauntlets, and he has a speed buff. While his axe stance isn't the better of the two (axe and bow) it is as important as his bow stance.
i do desagree with hel, i was expecting other 1srt worst ultimate.
jing wei it's been the one god that i couldn't use the ultimate to do anything but escaping;
but still.nice job surching and studying all the ultimates!
Personally I agree with the list other than Xing Tian, Jing Wei and Hel. Okay I agree that their ults had fallen behind because new gods seem to be able to counter and old gods are receiving buffs to their ults or a change in abilities to counter such ults.
Xing Tian's ult should be a bit lower, maybe below Geb but above Bastet. Xing Tian is a Guardian, if you compare the charge up time for ults among Guardians, they are pretty much close to the same(other than Bacchus, Geb, Syl). Its kinda appropriate that Xing Tian's ult has a charge up time that long. Imagine seeing a Xing Tian coming your way with ult charging, coming just in time to body block your attack on that low hp Loki, it gives you a sense of area denial, it makes you stay away, which is what such offensive Guardians are meant to do in my opinion, they scare you to get away from their allies. Ares gives the same fear with 2 and ult.
Jing Wei's ult is underwelming I know, even me when I play her it really is. But then again its skillshot, Jing Wei's ult can do some serious ganks, sure you may miss but the enemy might not expect a adc suddenly popping behind them and spamming explosive bolts which kills them.
Hel, okay its really something like Ullr's ult, switch stance. But buff wise Ullr to me is the weaker one. Hel at least can gain some sustain and impact depending on stance, most mages rarely have that kind of sustain in early game. Sure its sustain gets lower as game progresses but it really doesn't deserve number 1. I personally think Ullr should be up there.
My personal opinion is that no ult really is that bad, they still can make an impact if you can use them to your advantage.
I agree with you tyre on king Weiss having the worst hunter ult. Since it just provides nothing much but an escape and a cc immunity. Can you do a top 5 worst models/animations?
I am honestly so surprised that you didn't include kukulkans ult. Not only is it Ra's ult but worse it is so easy to avoid or aegis. It the reason I don't play kuk
Its because it has a knock up CC and when hit it could 100-0 even a warrior with moderate defense. Ive gotten pentas with his ult before
I don't really agree with you, as a person who plays KKK multiple times in all the game modes in the current Meta, KKK's ult can be the most op thing in a game if it hits you. Barely have I seen a god hit by the ultimate gets away with more than half their health. There is even an achievement for KKK to kill an enemy god with full health with the ult(which I already have). Situation wise, KKK's ult alone can cause real pain. Take the Joust jungle, KKK can cover the whole single area. Conquest those small gaps that cross between jungle and lane KKK's ult is enough.
A good ult from him can make a fight insanely one sided... I've crit for 1200+ with it
I knew it, I just KNEW Jing Wei would top the list. Don't get me wrong, she has become my bread and wine ever since her release, I absolutely love her, but that ult is still so bad. Long wind up time, lacking damage, 80% of times I find a good chance to use it is indeed to escape only. Her whole kit is perfect, but I just hope they would do something about Air Strike. Like being able to use it during her Passive or something, I don't know.
I found Arachne's ult to be a little more as an escape tool than something that is very impactful like most ults
I was scared that Khumba would've made the list, because of the thumbnail. That would be odd because his ultimate is just amazing.
Keep up the good work my friend!
If you build Hel with high power her heals do a lot more than you think, on top of dishing out more power than enemies expect catching them off guard
For Bastet and Geb I was like THE HECK U STUPID?? But after your analysis I have to agree with you on both.
Jing Wei's ult is good if you can make the shot like by if somebodys running in the jungle on joust and you can hit them through the wall and if you DO miss just catch up to them.
Hel can heal and heal herself, as well as cleanse cc with her stance. Keep in mind, Hel is the ONLY God who can cleanse you of your crowd control.
Literally, most OP Xing Tian combo: Xing Tian, Odin, Zeus, Thanatos, and Poseidon.He throws them into Odin, Odin ults, Poseidon ults, Zeus ults, Thanatos snags the stragglers.
Ao Kuangs is the BEST ultimate, mostly because his ult. is an attack PLUS an escape. If you do not choose to flee, it can act as a double kill opportunity ;)
Please make more top 5!!! Great video :)
I have diamond Hel and I love to play with her, the switch stance is an awesome ability, it helps you spend more time on the solo lane, but as you mentioned, the heals have been nerfed a lot last season, and for Hel was something major, considering the fact that you have to change stances to gain heal, unlike Chang'e wich can heal instantly. I played against a Chang'e on the solo, and the heal buff that she got was noticeable, while Hel got a cleanse buff, I know Hi-rez is trying to make Hel easier to play, but that buff won't help her perform well against a Chang'e or a Ra heal
1. Bastets cat scales very well throughout beginning and endgame, they're meant to use at mid-low health. 2. Geb needs rework. 3.Sylvana needs rework. 4.Xin shin is completely fine, hes a pusher/no escape character. 5. That flying girl needs a duration buff. 6. Hel imo is perfect shes a back line and/or kill stealer character
+jourdan mcrae Why do people like you insist everyone needs a rework if they are even slightly under performing? Geb does not need a rework. I don't know what the hell you're smoking if you think Geb of all gods needs a rework. His kit is perfect as a support with a shield cleansing CC and providing extra HP, he has a knockup and an AOE %damage and stunning ultimate. In what way does that need a rework? Sylvanus doesn't need a rework either. For what he's supposed to do, Sylv is fine. He has great CC that's not too tough to hit, the pull being the hardest of them. All Sylv needs kit wise is his passive to activate with ranged autos as well and he'd be perfect again. He's not played right now because of immobility and easily countered by slows and anti-healing, which Winged Blade is a staple pick for Sylv. Bastet's cats are not good late game, scaling or not. Mages with 600+ end game power oneshot the cats and leave her useless. At best they are used late purely for splitpush. That's it. Xing as mentioned is fine. Jing's ult is too slow and has half decent escape mechanics being able to go over walls, but any god with a leap or jump can just close that gap back and avoid the damage too. Hel isn't perfect and for 2 reasons. 1) She has all the damage and utility to be the most broken character in Smite. HiRez literally cannot touch this god because she'll either be broken or trash. Antiheal is too prevalent in the game for her to be good, her lack of mobility/escape makes her easily campable. Sure, get her to late game and she's one of the best supportive mages in the game, but getting her to late game is increasingly difficult.
JMacTucker Such angry , long paragraph , to lazy.
And my point has been proven.
+JMacTucker it really hasn't I'm not going to read a page long text and reply on it due to the fact you seem mad which won't end well. it's my opinion font need you to force yours down my throat
+jourdan mcrae hes not mad at all,Hes point was proven
I don't understand why people are saying 'ratatoskr's ult is one of the worst'. Just because the god is considered the worst doesn't mean his whole kit is bad. Ratatoskr's ult is one of the best escapes or catch ups an assassin can have, as it moves much faster than a thana ult, and goes further than a thor ult, as well as providing a good 8 seconds in the air to plan your next move. Don't fall into the thinking that 'god is not meta=everything about it is bad'. If anything, tyr's ult is bad, because you use it in the exact same way as you use a blink. Sure, it does damage and a slow, but you don't use it for that. You use it to get behind the enemy and push them out of position. That's it. Or escape, one of the two.
Lol. Tyr is my favorite god. The ult I somewhat have to agree. Like it can get kills but if it had more range that be sick and not op. Blink can only go so far. Or They could just make it can execution jk that be broken.
It's wind up time is stupid for escaping, you can get killed trying to get up easily. If you land on someone, you're not cc immune so you can get out boxed while only dealing a small percentage. It's easy to predict so the enemy can easily position themselves and get their cc ready. Right now, it's bad.
u have to stun the enemy with the tornado thingy then use jing wei's ultimate with precise timing. it's perfect for enemies who think they're safe next to their tower or Phoenix. or use it the moment they turn around do to low health. it's like Kukulkan's out but with more width and less range
not out meant out
+Ghost Angel ult.! dumb autocorrect😠
afro>cabrakan>ymir>geb>jingwei
afro:u MAY can salve some one, but is just 2seg so if they have a dash or a jump to follow u or your partner they can confirm the kill
cabra: just useful if the oponent didnt have a jump, and in a lane can be easy scape just walking. And are the only tank ult that dont give CC imune.
ymir: great danage BUT realy hard to use correctly.
Ullr's ult is basically a stun, a jump that does damage, and a speed bonus. Definitely not one of the worsts but in my opinion chaac definitely needs a buff to his ult for the only thing that it is really good for is the cc immunity.
+Derricko Don't forget lifesteal bonus and attack speed bonus.
i agree with your #1 pick.... i have NOT been able to play Hel since season 3 because her damage doesnt compare to mages who DO have an ultimate ability to use for massive damage...
When I saw your cupid plays in the beginning, I already knew that I couldn't take this list seriously.
+Max C Out playing one of the most broken gods on Duel right now? Okay. You do that.
You don't outplay a god you outplay a player. And he's not outplaying anyone, he's not getting kills he could have gotten. How do you define "outplaying"?
+TydeTyme Also you finished golden bow while you could get full boots, for example.
+TydeTyme bastet cats are awesome to bodyblock aa's, getting objectives, killing everyone, taking towers.
Tbh, right now rats ult is the worst. It does damage, yes, but nothing else and positions him weirdly. For an ultimate attack, it's not very game changing.
+Hayden Goughenour Hughes have yo uread the 3.9 patch notes? His ult now knocks up; he got a rework.
um dude it's a knock up. the rat is back
+koen van Veelen he said he's basing the list off of the patch 3.8 so rats knock-up doesn't count
even if your guys are saying rat is ult is bad.think about it... the ult is 9 seconds long and the mobility is good and it does damage! how can you its bad
+kib woo It has damage, just not good damage. A decent player can predict a landing and trap rat or position accordingly. The only good thing is the distance, but that's outmatched by Apollo even.
As much as I love Jing Wei, I hate her ult. I really think it should've been 1st place because I don't think I've killed anything that wasn't killable by a shot or two from just holding R2. The thing I hate the MOST about her ult is that start up time. You can actually launch a jet in the same amount of time when using a catapult as it takes her to take off.
I personally think Hou Yi's ulti should be on this list. Just like with Xing Tian, enemies have tons of time to escape the area or use Sanctuary. Mostly because if that it's not one high damage shot but many with pretty weak damage, I think it's a very weak ult if you don't have like 2 or more gods that have CC.
Nu Wa's ult damage is so low that its only utility is securing kills on really low HP enemies who are running away...Something most gods can do by using regular leap/dash abilities. I would definitely place her somewhere on this list.
+SDFGReturns i played a lot of nu wa in season 2 and her ulti was fine... yes the dmg sucks but it give you the location of the entire enemy team prevents people from backing from across the map if your teams is bding and can be used to buy you time for your cds to reset when you get ganked. in short its a utility ulti and not a dmg ulti. tho in season 3 yes it needs its old dmg scaling back pre nerf
I think bastet should have had an ult more like bakasura something like when you auto attack an enemy you gain a stack for your ult the for a couple of seconds the more stacks the more damage speed etc the cats have just something instead of using your 2 and ulting and not even doing anything after that
Bastet ult got me a penta when I was at base in arena
leaving ullr out didnt really surprise me
sure his ult cant really deal a ton of dmg since hes not building bruiser/tank but he has a stun a jump and when he switches stances if memory serves he cleanses cc
I pretty much agree with everything on this list. I love hel but I do agree with the stance. It sucks because if they buff her she's op if they nerf her she's underpowered. Never a good situation.
Hel's ult MAKES the god, far more than Ullr's.
Her passive doesn't decrease healing and damage, it INCREASES IT, and the player decided which is INCREASED. Also, you're looking at ultimates, not passives.
Her ult gives her 2 heals, a 3rd direct damage ability, and a CC immunity. You want to compare her to Aphro? Fine. Aphro can heal one player, offers almost no damage, and can make her and one player immune for a short while. Hel can full heal the team, make any players she wants CC immune, all the while demolishing the enemies. Her light stance (ult form) 3 is also a team wide speed boost. Couple that with her clease (ult form) and you have Sprint with an 8 second cooldown.
Maybe she suffers because she lacks a single hard burst damage ability, but when you have 3 damaging abilities, 2 heals, a cleanse, a slow, and a protection decrease in her kit? How dare you say her ult is bad!?
Ullr's ult is just him switching weapons. .... yeah.
Which gives him either a crap ton of life steal or attack speed
Did you watch the video? He said he'd be comparing it with stats gained and counting the new stance abilities
+Joel Layton yeah I know! I mean is axe stance is basically a assasin mode for him
You obviously have no idea do you?
Dude jing Wei and geb have amazing, geb yes really can only blink to start but a geb that builds health stuns and does a ton of damage.and jing Wei alt can do decent damage, but if the team are all together or an ares alt can do a nice combo to start a team fight with and without a team fight in mind it adds a 3rd dash/movement for her
don't forget that hel can just get people out of cc
a lot of people say nemesis but she's got the potential to force someone out of a fight or force them to take quite a punishment because of reduced movement and protections. I feel like sol has a terrible ultimate. the time between casting and the pillars appearing is too long it makes it too hard to hit for too little damage.