The Challenger was painted in Claas-Colors because Caterpillar used to work together with Claas befor they sold Challenger to AGCO. Back then Challenger tractors were painted in Claas-Colors and sold under the name Claas in Europa and the Claas Lexion combines were painted in Challenger-Colors and sold under the name Challenger in Northamarica.
You are correct, but not for the one in the video. The Claas/Cat partnership was before the release of that particular model. The one in the video was never released as it was a later model than any Claas Challenger tractor available
@@jagman9806 at one point they did. Ive seen 3 cat yellow combines with all three logos and brand names in different place between 3 year models. They are some confusing trademark changes.
@@jagman9806 Google: Cat Lexion Some years ago Claas and Cat/Challanger worked together. It didn't work out because Cat insisted on Claas having Cat motors in their European combines and that didn't set well with the European market, so they ended it. Claas is still using the Cat colors though and it's basically a matter of americans recognizing those colors rather than the Green/White/Red colors they use in the rest of the world.
The IH 2+2 was a great tractor once you got used to the length of the hood. I think it was 17 feet from the cab to the front of the hood. It would actually out turn a conventional tractor. Driving it at speed, on the road, was a challenge, due to how sensative the steering was. Bringing one into the shop was unique, because the radiator fan would blow forward, blowing any loose papers off the work benches.
That long nose is what earned them the nickname "the anteater"... LOL:) My seed/chemical/fertilizer guy years ago farmed several hundred acres with 2 IH 2+2's... a 2388 and a 2588... He swore by them. Later! OL J R :)
@ Robert Heinkel They are an interesting tractor to put a clutch in to, I did one for a customer in a dealership I worked in years ago here in Canada. The old IH dealer in town still had the big splitting track that bolted to the front. Then I had to pull a drive shaft and yoke at the pivot somewhere, and fit a 3/4 drive socket and wind the front forward and back again when I put it together. It was the one and only time I fixed one, but that splitting method was cool. They had a wrecking yard to and we parted some out when guys broke the front axle castings in half bouncing them on the road or in the field when not ballasted right being front heavy . There was a few went to the U.K, the biggest problem was small roads there, so they cut the axle stubs down for width and ran singles. Also if you pulled out of a field gateway onto the narrow roads there with poor visibility. you probably got hit buy a car or big truck before you could see it from the cab, or got a loud horn blast from angry road users if you were really lucky !.
I used to have a 6388 2+2, alot ov guys complained and didn't like the anteaters, personally, I loved mine, if I ever get the right opportunity, I will buy another one. I miss ole' "snoopy". That tractor would go through anything.
The first tractor (0:07) is not an early prototype made by Cat, but rather a later prototype built by New Holland after the assembly contract with Cat was drawing to a close. (The contract stipulated that NH was not to offer a competitive product as long as the Cat version was being built at Winnepeg.) Next, (0:26) the Claas version of an early MT700 prototype was simply part of the joint venture between Cat and Claas that still existed at that time. However, shortly afterward, the sale of Challenger to AGCO put an end to the joint venture. At 3:17, the Deere 4955 was indeed made at Cat, and pre-dates the development of the Challenger 45 prototypes. Its purpose was to determine the feasibility of tracks on a rowcrop-sized tractor, and was never intended as a kit to sell (I've actually driven this tractor.)
That's true, we have driven a Claas Challenger in the past, but not the model in the video, it was never released. The partnership dissolved before Cat released that model. If you look at the Claas ones online, they have a different cab and bodywork.
Dirt & Diesel we have the challenger form of that tractor at my farm, which is the Challenger MT700c series, from 2009. I find it odd that the tractor was made by AGCO, and I wonder why that Claas tried making relations even after Challenger was bought by AGCO.
Dave K “concept is an understanding retained in the mind, from experience, reasoning and/or imagination; a generalization (generic, basic form), or abstraction (mental impression), of a particular set of instances or occurrences (specific, though different, recorded manifestations of the concept) while prototype is an original object or form which is a basis for other objects, forms, or for its models and generalizations.”
david s. Yeah, I’m afraid to see where the farmers will be at in the future though. Everything will be autonomous so there won’t be any conventional farms anymore
Should mentioned the Allis Chalmers 8095 prototypes that disappeared during testing and sold to local farmers when deutz took over. Still being farmed with aswell.
The John Deere looks to be an early protype of a 6030 with some styling from the WA series. The 6030 although off the line was 175 hp turboed many where turned up to 200+ hp an being that they was manufactured between '72 an '77 they were a true work horse even by today standards.
The Challenger prototype in Claas colours was made during a time when Claas and CAT still planned to continue their cooperation. Shortly after they decided to discontinue the relationship and AGCO came in. Rest is history...
The vehicle seen on the last photo looks a lot like the tracked Massey Ferguson I saw at Agritechnica back in '99. I guess it's practically the same tractor in different colors. Two years later, Challenger was aquired by AGCO, so there was no more need to develop that machine any further.
Another interesting prototype that I found funny was the Allis Chalmers 8070 in Marshall Yellow intended for the British market but AC went bankrupt before the deal finished
The Case IH self-driving tractor isn't a never-seen thing, they promoted it very well. It is worth noting that as far as I know, their working on building another. also, it is worth noting that Case IH (Case International) is a sccessor of both the J. I. Case and the International Harvester Co. It is also worth noting that you could actually buy a close to 200 horse tractor from JD in the 70s, the 6030, all that was needed to make the 175 something horse tractor 200 horse was a bigger turbo.
Also, that 4955 with tracks still exists, it wasn't actually built like that, that was done later when the tractor was aquired by a university, and the tracks have since been removed and replaced with the stock wheels.
You probably may not know this (but if you do good for you) there’s a video on the JD 4955 with tracks and the owners tell the story on how it was tested and how they restored it back to it having its tires.
Actually the New Holland Challenger was a n h proto type yes the challengers were built on the same line but the blue ones were NH with there engine and can there used to be one in the factory in Winnipeg I got the story when I was there for dealer service training
How can an autonomous tractor make a real time decision in the event of something happening around it or something breaking etc? Does it just stop and send an email to the farmer in his shed or what?
The 2 wheel drive 200 plus horsepower tractor in JD colors is i think an Australian Chamberlin because they were famous for their 2 wheeldrive monster tractors with upto 360 hp i think .
I had wondered why Case didn’t continue making the 2+2 or a variation of the idea. I wonder why US manufactures don’t make sub compact articulated tractors like several European manufacturers do.
I'll get excited about autonomous tractors when they can refill planter boxes, clean spray nozzles that plug up, refill the planter and sprayer and fertilizer tanks, clean plugged seed tubes, and can figure out when a bearing it out on the disk or a hydraulic line blows or an arbor bolt breaks on a disk gang and can stop BEFORE it scatters the parts over half the county... Til then, what's the use-- unless you're running brand new *everything* breakdowns happen (yes even to the new stuff) and SOMEBODY has to babysit the dang things fixing whatever breaks or is out of adjustment or needs cleaning or refilling... I wouldn't want to farm if I was just a glorified babysitter running around in a pickup between 2-3 fields trying to keep autonomous tractors going, just waiting for the tractor to call you with whatever needs fixing or adjusting or refilling next... If you gotta run around doing all that, might as well just put a cab on the darn thing and get up there and run it... that's most of the fun anyway. Later! OL J R :)
That 200 hp JD is huge and looks so cool what was it's model number. I have have seen photos of that, but can't remember it anymore. That 2+2 Magnum looks great also.
The 2+2 Magnum had me scratching my head-- what's the purpose of an articulation joint in the frame and all the complexity that adds, if you're still gonna have a steering axle in the front?? Doesn't make good sense. Later! OL J R :)
@Massimo De Grazia It's called copy right infringement, especially on the autonomous case tractor, not your douchey type of trying to defend a Illegal act. But hey, that's what you are into, so please don't piss all over my comment you troll.
@@dirt_and_diesel If you put the numbers out there, then back them up! If you ain't got them then he honest and say it. Fukin one more TH-cam wanna be spoutin lies and got caught. Your embarrassing as a you tuber wanna be. Save face and dont steal anymore content and since you obviously can't count, please go to school and learn. I really feel bad for you. Dueces!
C B how about you chill out, it’s a video from an amateur TH-camr who’s just trying to get started. I don’t see you creating anything useful. Also, it’s called press release material, it was put out by Case IH for this exact purpose. If you can’t be nice about it, please stay off my channel
I know where one of the newholland tracked tractors are ive seen it with my own eyes and budy has driven and worked on it they had to do a full restoration
i was actually looking for some prototype machines when i stumbled across a picture of a 2wd steiger tractor, but unfortunatly i havent been able to find anything about it. maybe if you guys were to do a part 2 it could be featured? anyways a great video as always!
The steiger was an attempt to scare the other tractor manufacturers into believing stieger was gonna build smaller machines. But there were a few high horsepower tactors steiger tested
Steiger tested the waters into the high horse rigid frames but scrapped it since not many were interested at the time and tried using it as a marketing tool. Although allis was working on using a 300hp komatsu engine in a stretched 8070. They built a few for testing in Indiana and were unknown by deutz saving them from being scrapped in the take over. All of them still exist bein sokd secretly to local farmers and are still being farmed with surprisingly. Nick named bigfoot by allis.
jeffrey hollink It was a Ford design that was brought over to CNH and used in the NH brand with the 8070A series then Versatile/Buhler took over that design
I have lost all respect for case now you will never see me with one of them pieces of crap rather go up and down the roads myself if you were true farmer you would understand what I mean
The Challenger was painted in Claas-Colors because Caterpillar used to work together with Claas befor they sold Challenger to AGCO. Back then Challenger tractors were painted in Claas-Colors and sold under the name Claas in Europa and the Claas Lexion combines were painted in Challenger-Colors and sold under the name Challenger in Northamarica.
You are correct, but not for the one in the video. The Claas/Cat partnership was before the release of that particular model. The one in the video was never released as it was a later model than any Claas Challenger tractor available
The challenger combine has nothing to do with the Lexion.
@@jagman9806 at one point they did. Ive seen 3 cat yellow combines with all three logos and brand names in different place between 3 year models. They are some confusing trademark changes.
@@jagman9806 Google: Cat Lexion
Some years ago Claas and Cat/Challanger worked together. It didn't work out because Cat insisted on Claas having Cat motors in their European combines and that didn't set well with the European market, so they ended it. Claas is still using the Cat colors though and it's basically a matter of americans recognizing those colors rather than the Green/White/Red colors they use in the rest of the world.
in the fs 19 its the same with fend and challenger if you look at the fact sheets both look actually the same
The IH 2+2 was a great tractor once you got used to the length of the hood. I think it was 17 feet from the cab to the front of the hood. It would actually out turn a conventional tractor. Driving it at speed, on the road, was a challenge, due to how sensative the steering was. Bringing one into the shop was unique, because the radiator fan would blow forward, blowing any loose papers off the work benches.
That long nose is what earned them the nickname "the anteater"... LOL:)
My seed/chemical/fertilizer guy years ago farmed several hundred acres with 2 IH 2+2's... a 2388 and a 2588... He swore by them.
Later! OL J R :)
@@lukestrawwalker In Canada They are also known as Snoopys for the same reason.
@ Robert Heinkel They are an interesting tractor to put a clutch in to, I did one for a customer in a dealership I worked in years ago here in Canada. The old IH dealer in town still had the big splitting track that bolted to the front. Then I had to pull a drive shaft and yoke at the pivot somewhere, and fit a 3/4 drive socket and wind the front forward and back again when I put it together. It was the one and only time I fixed one, but that splitting method was cool.
They had a wrecking yard to and we parted some out when guys broke the front axle castings in half bouncing them on the road or in the field when not ballasted right being front heavy . There was a few went to the U.K, the biggest problem was small roads there, so they cut the axle stubs down for width and ran singles. Also if you pulled out of a field gateway onto the narrow roads there with poor visibility. you probably got hit buy a car or big truck before you could see it from the cab, or got a loud horn blast from angry road users if you were really lucky !.
I used to have a 6388 2+2, alot ov guys complained and didn't like the anteaters, personally, I loved mine, if I ever get the right opportunity, I will buy another one. I miss ole' "snoopy". That tractor would go through anything.
The first tractor (0:07) is not an early prototype made by Cat, but rather a later prototype built by New Holland after the assembly contract with Cat was drawing to a close. (The contract stipulated that NH was not to offer a competitive product as long as the Cat version was being built at Winnepeg.) Next, (0:26) the Claas version of an early MT700 prototype was simply part of the joint venture between Cat and Claas that still existed at that time. However, shortly afterward, the sale of Challenger to AGCO put an end to the joint venture. At 3:17, the Deere 4955 was indeed made at Cat, and pre-dates the development of the Challenger 45 prototypes. Its purpose was to determine the feasibility of tracks on a rowcrop-sized tractor, and was never intended as a kit to sell (I've actually driven this tractor.)
I was a research and development engineer on the Claas-Caterpillar joint venture.
Actually caterpillars where sold a bunch of years in claas colours in Europe, in exchange claas combines where marketed as CAT in north America
That's true, we have driven a Claas Challenger in the past, but not the model in the video, it was never released. The partnership dissolved before Cat released that model. If you look at the Claas ones online, they have a different cab and bodywork.
Dirt & Diesel we have the challenger form of that tractor at my farm, which is the Challenger MT700c series, from 2009. I find it odd that the tractor was made by AGCO, and I wonder why that Claas tried making relations even after Challenger was bought by AGCO.
Yea in caterpillar colours also many moons ago ford USA had a deal with claas selling the combines in ford blue.
0:45 It actually isn’t meant to be a prototype. It is actually a concept tractor
Right, so the same thing then..
One thing is for sure.... Autonomous tractors are going to be the future, at least in wide open fields.
Dave K Actually they aren’t the same thing
Dave K “concept is an understanding retained in the mind, from experience, reasoning and/or imagination; a generalization (generic, basic form), or abstraction (mental impression), of a particular set of instances or occurrences (specific, though different, recorded manifestations of the concept) while prototype is an original object or form which is a basis for other objects, forms, or for its models and generalizations.”
david s. Yeah, I’m afraid to see where the farmers will be at in the future though. Everything will be autonomous so there won’t be any conventional farms anymore
Should mentioned the Allis Chalmers 8095 prototypes that disappeared during testing and sold to local farmers when deutz took over. Still being farmed with aswell.
the cab on the xerion (the one referred to have been built by lego) has the cab off of the claas jaguar 600 series foragers.
3:43 look at bottom of screen
Thomas The Train Full Episodes lol
The John Deere looks to be an early protype of a 6030 with some styling from the WA series. The 6030 although off the line was 175 hp turboed many where turned up to 200+ hp an being that they was manufactured between '72 an '77 they were a true work horse even by today standards.
The Challenger prototype in Claas colours was made during a time when Claas and CAT still planned to continue their cooperation. Shortly after they decided to discontinue the relationship and AGCO came in. Rest is history...
3:46 case ih released the magnum row trac in 2016
The vehicle seen on the last photo looks a lot like the tracked Massey Ferguson I saw at Agritechnica back in '99. I guess it's practically the same tractor in different colors. Two years later, Challenger was aquired by AGCO, so there was no more need to develop that machine any further.
Another interesting prototype that I found funny was the Allis Chalmers 8070 in Marshall Yellow intended for the British market but AC went bankrupt before the deal finished
Some of those track prototypes look like the kind of stuff younger me doodled I'm notebooks back in grade school
Ho is the Deutz xxl with 600 ps und 8 weels
The Case IH self-driving tractor isn't a never-seen thing, they promoted it very well. It is worth noting that as far as I know, their working on building another. also, it is worth noting that Case IH (Case International) is a sccessor of both the J. I. Case and the International Harvester Co. It is also worth noting that you could actually buy a close to 200 horse tractor from JD in the 70s, the 6030, all that was needed to make the 175 something horse tractor 200 horse was a bigger turbo.
Also, that 4955 with tracks still exists, it wasn't actually built like that, that was done later when the tractor was aquired by a university, and the tracks have since been removed and replaced with the stock wheels.
It is also a beautiful tractor now.
Nice list, but I really miss the Fendt Trisix. That's one strange tractor!
The Millennium Farmer is using a Challenger and it works perfect. So, the hell with your assessments.
Its brand new so i would hope it works perfect
The cvts go in them after 10k hours and it costs 20k for a new one
The CVT was not offered till 2018 in the tracked models. 16 speed power shift was the only tranz offered before that.@@ciandaly7362
The claas tractor was built by cat and claas built combines for cat and painted each other’s colors, I hauled them from the factory
We had a same buffalo on tracks for the bog before we sold it
What about the fendt trisix
The Caterpillar with Claas livery was for sale in europe they had a cooperation
What about the Cockshutt 580? One still exists. Or maybe the White 4-325? One of those is still around too.
3:46 NO photographs please
The guy who took it: NOPE
The talking about the CaseIH autonomous tractor is Max Armstrong
You probably may not know this (but if you do good for you) there’s a video on the JD 4955 with tracks and the owners tell the story on how it was tested and how they restored it back to it having its tires.
Daniel Aguirre I did know it was converted back through photos online but I didn’t know there was a video, I’ll check it out. Thanks for the info 👍🏻
Dirt & Diesel th-cam.com/video/-mn7e_sAebs/w-d-xo.html
Dirt & Diesel too save you some time
Actually the New Holland Challenger was a n h proto type yes the challengers were built on the same line but the blue ones were NH with there engine and can there used to be one in the factory in Winnipeg I got the story when I was there for dealer service training
Nice White tracked machine at the end.
That first one is a versatile by the brand decal
0:55 is Max Armstrong
I didn’t know that, cool
How can an autonomous tractor make a real time decision in the event of something happening around it or something breaking etc? Does it just stop and send an email to the farmer in his shed or what?
0:38 thats an actual tractor not just a 3d model
The 2 wheel drive 200 plus horsepower tractor in JD colors is i think an Australian Chamberlin because they were famous for their 2 wheeldrive monster tractors with upto 360 hp i think .
Very interesting video, quite a few machines there I've never seen, we'll done!
Hullo Mr Saunders :)
3:55 is that a John Deere 8760 with tracks?????? :O
It sure is
@@blainevolesky9653 wow!!!
The autonomous tractor is set to be released in 2022
I had wondered why Case didn’t continue making the 2+2 or a variation of the idea. I wonder why US manufactures don’t make sub compact articulated tractors like several European manufacturers do.
This is an amazing vid I love it ☺
Fendt trisix deutz agro xxl etc etc
Uh the atonamous tractor did in fact work in a field once...
The camera lenses on autonomous tractors are going to have to be self cleaning...
I'll get excited about autonomous tractors when they can refill planter boxes, clean spray nozzles that plug up, refill the planter and sprayer and fertilizer tanks, clean plugged seed tubes, and can figure out when a bearing it out on the disk or a hydraulic line blows or an arbor bolt breaks on a disk gang and can stop BEFORE it scatters the parts over half the county...
Til then, what's the use-- unless you're running brand new *everything* breakdowns happen (yes even to the new stuff) and SOMEBODY has to babysit the dang things fixing whatever breaks or is out of adjustment or needs cleaning or refilling...
I wouldn't want to farm if I was just a glorified babysitter running around in a pickup between 2-3 fields trying to keep autonomous tractors going, just waiting for the tractor to call you with whatever needs fixing or adjusting or refilling next...
If you gotta run around doing all that, might as well just put a cab on the darn thing and get up there and run it... that's most of the fun anyway.
Later! OL J R :)
That 200 hp JD is huge and looks so cool what was it's model number. I have have seen photos of that, but can't remember it anymore. That 2+2 Magnum looks great also.
The 2+2 Magnum had me scratching my head-- what's the purpose of an articulation joint in the frame and all the complexity that adds, if you're still gonna have a steering axle in the front?? Doesn't make good sense.
Later! OL J R :)
They skipped numbers coming from 10 down. Not a full length feature by any means. Plus stealing footage from case ih!
Thanks for your constructive criticism, I do feel like you're focussing on the numbers too much. but still, cheers
@Massimo De Grazia
It's called copy right infringement, especially on the autonomous case tractor, not your douchey type of trying to defend a Illegal act. But hey, that's what you are into, so please don't piss all over my comment you troll.
@@dirt_and_diesel
If you put the numbers out there, then back them up! If you ain't got them then he honest and say it. Fukin one more TH-cam wanna be spoutin lies and got caught. Your embarrassing as a you tuber wanna be. Save face and dont steal anymore content and since you obviously can't count, please go to school and learn. I really feel bad for you. Dueces!
C B how about you chill out, it’s a video from an amateur TH-camr who’s just trying to get started. I don’t see you creating anything useful. Also, it’s called press release material, it was put out by Case IH for this exact purpose. If you can’t be nice about it, please stay off my channel
Whoever took that low resolution photo of that CASE at 3:43 deserves to be in prison.
Do not take photo *takes a photo*
I know where one of the newholland tracked tractors are ive seen it with my own eyes and budy has driven and worked on it they had to do a full restoration
3:41 no photographs please 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The no cab case is in the uk
i was actually looking for some prototype machines when i stumbled across a picture of a 2wd steiger tractor, but unfortunatly i havent been able to find anything about it. maybe if you guys were to do a part 2 it could be featured? anyways a great video as always!
I will add this to the plan. Cheers
The steiger was an attempt to scare the other tractor manufacturers into believing stieger was gonna build smaller machines. But there were a few high horsepower tactors steiger tested
Steiger tested the waters into the high horse rigid frames but scrapped it since not many were interested at the time and tried using it as a marketing tool. Although allis was working on using a 300hp komatsu engine in a stretched 8070. They built a few for testing in Indiana and were unknown by deutz saving them from being scrapped in the take over. All of them still exist bein sokd secretly to local farmers and are still being farmed with surprisingly. Nick named bigfoot by allis.
Did anyone besides me notice that the first tractor was badges as a versatile not a newholland
Yep that was after John Buhler bought the genesis and 4wd line from new Holland after the merger with case IH and resurrected the versatile name
that case have made it
What’s wrong with driving vehicles yourself! Driverless cars and now tractors as well! What is happening to this world?
The first one was a versatile not new Holland or cat
New Holland owned versatile back in the 90
that was ah new holland 70serie tractor but whit the name of versatile
jeffrey hollink Ford Genesis series tractor (70series) not New Holland or versatile although labelled as that at times
@@Sean-if7rp omg ford dusent hafe ah A serie onley the normal 70 serie but nh had both
jeffrey hollink It was a Ford design that was brought over to CNH and used in the NH brand with the 8070A series then Versatile/Buhler took over that design
Who else felt they where watching deano with the music
Yes good ol' deanos porno music!
George Saunders Jesus George you answerd out of all people man that’s made my day
i have seen al it before
Um dude that is a John Deere Im a John Deere i can tell what is a John Deere and what isn't just saying
What type of John Deere are you, I'd guess a 1972 1020.
What a bunch of junk!
I have lost all respect for case now you will never see me with one of them pieces of crap rather go up and down the roads myself if you were true farmer you would understand what I mean