The fact that this thing is missing so many features, uses an old engine, has had only minor cosmetic changes in the last 13 years, but still increases in cost year over year is INSANE. All the tooling and R&D is paid for now. This thing must PRINT money for Toyota.
And sadly because of regulations, they are pulling the plug with a ground-up refreshed model due... whenever the hell they decide to finally release it.
Toyota is a proof that reliability > technology. I'm keeping my 22 years old Toyota because it has everything I need for a car. If I need more there's always high quality aftermarket parts & accessories in the market.
So many of the really old designs sell well these days, because a lot of people want and love something simple and reliable...yet no carcompany REALLY goes down on that and serves this market. Such a pitty. I assume they get regulated to hell by governments.
I was a mechanic from 2008 to 2017, and the 4 runner has basically been the same vehicle since 2005. The Toyota 4.0L V6 power train is one of the most prolific platforms of all time, being utilized in the older Tundra, FJ Cruiser, Tacoma 05-15, and 4Runner 05-Current. In all those years as an auto mechanic, I have seen precisely ONE of these engines out of the chassis. It had over 200k miles on it when the water pump failed and the owner overheated it so badly that the engine seized. We repaired the cooling system, put new plugs in it, and the owner drove it for another 20k before the head gaskets failed. I bought the truck for 1000$ off of the guy, and when I pulled the engine apart, there were no cracks in the heads or cylinders, no warpage of the block, no leak down on the bench. Got new gaskets and repolished the valves/seats, and I’ve been driving it for 4 years. Truck is about to turn 20 years old and it drives better than my GF’s 6 year old Kia with 100k on it. Anyone that doesn’t “get” the 4Runner popularity just simply doesn’t know. If I were to replace mine with anything, it would just be a new one.
In all the years I've had a 4Runner.. I can't name a single "oh shit" moment I had mechanically. They're absolutely rock-solid. Even the old ones (if you skip the V6 from the 2nd gen, I've got one of those too..).
@@MasonH24 I have seen a lot of major repairs on them. Full rear end rebuilds, trans/torque converter failure, computer/ignition system failure, but the common thread is that those vehicles had 200-300k+ miles on them, and most of the time are abuse related. Granted, I live in a dry climate, so our cars don’t rust out like they do in the Midwest and the South, but my money is still on these trucks being the most reliable vehicles of the modern era.
I like my taco bc it’s Manual everything. I’m at 230k with just maintenance stuff I’ve had to do like clutch, plugs, etc. Finna to do the fuel pump, it’s going strong, but I feel it going out in the next 20k or so. I don’t care about yuppie features. Just want dependability, functionally, and look cool. Checks all boxes
@@MasonH24 2nd Gen 1994 V6 still running strong at >200k. Toyota did replace the head gaskets as a recall around 80k, and it's been bomb proof ever since.
Toyota knows exactly what they are doing.Poeple buy those things,I was shopping for one 3 years ago and there was a waiting list to get one.I just gave up but I shouldnt have cause they worth a lot of money today.
@@Memesfromthestreets I disagree, I have worked in the auto business for over 20 years and unfortunately there are several vehicles that are terrible when it comes to reliability and durability. Proper maintenance and good driving habits help vehicles last but there are some brands that are just made poorly with cheap materials.
I love my 4Runner. It doesn't get the best MPG by any means, the powertrain is ancient, it doesn't have all of the new tech available today, but it'll go almost anywhere and will run until the wheels fall off.
I have a 2010; the first year of this generation. I love it, and it’s hard to explain why, but you did a pretty good job. It’s insanely capable, bulletproof reliable, and not trying too hard. This vehicle is a great example of how many car reviewers focus on the widgets and the numbers while missing the less quantifiable things so many actual car buyers love. I am impressed to see that you get it, and can explain it. You’re pretty good at this, Doug. Have you ever considered reviewing cars for a living?
Funny, because I was watching your Death Valley video the other day wondering “hmm, that’s a really modern looking 4runner, but it also looks a little older”. I didn’t realize Toyota has been making this generation since 2010! 😅
The 4Runner truly is a special vehicle and there’s a reason they cost so much. They are simple and just refuse to die. Mine is coming up on 16 years old with 437k on the odometer and all I’ve ever needed to do was regular maintenance and a spark plug change. Not surprised Toyota keeps setting records with it.
4runners are dogs I work at a Toyota dealership. Camrys last to 200k but not 4runners. It's an issue of parts your 4runner will blow a timing chain and it will cost heaps of money just cuz of how long it takes to fix them
This is dumb comment. I have a Camry and 4 runners are infinitely more reliable than Camry's. The engines aren't nearly as reliable and many have oil burning issues
Most things are reliable these days. You are paying 20k extra for reliability. Plus you are paying a lot for fuel. So in the long run, you are spending a ton more for less.
Toyota really has done a hell of a job with their reputation. They are synonymous with reliability. Japanese cars in general kind of are, but they are the first name that pops in to most people's minds.
70 grand for this is crazy. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 4Runner but Toyota is just milking people now with their "reliability". It is the same thing with Blackberry who kept trying to sell their "security". Auto manufacturers in general have gotten better in terms of reliability over time since everyone has copied the "Toyota Manufacturing Process" and most parts are made by a few other companies. Only thing the automakers are doing now is final assembly. Take that 70k and buy a Jeep and add an extended warranty.
I don't mind working on these when they come into the shop for a service. Easy to work on, harder for some trd models cuz you gotta deal with all the skidplates for oil changes, but it's not an issue. Love that truck
I’ve had my 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium for exactly 1 year and honestly all the “issues” you point out are the reasons why it’s so good. There’s so little that can actually stop working which makes it so good.
I just got a 2023 ORP Ice Cap White. I traded in a practically fully loaded CR-V and I realized how much I didn't use many of these features. I am quite happy!
Toyota for the most part understands their customer base for these vehicles, which is why they don't change too many things. They've learned how to leave "well enough" alone.
@@miguelvega7769 what? We don't care about reverse cameras🤣 bunch of pointless nonsense. We buy these to tow boats reliably not use it in reverse while watching a screen. I don't know anyone in the UK who uses reverse camera full stop.
Exactly, Toyota´s customers in general wants something simple that don´t break, they are not looking for 4k backup camera or latest gadgets, those are things that gonna be outdated in few years,but they buy the car to last decades
4Runner does offer ventilated seats in the Limited! Also remote start is on the pro and Limited- hit the lock button 3 times hold on the 3rd (or in app)
My 2012 4Runner has 205k miles on it now, and I still drive it daily. It made me smile every time Doug pointed out one of the crappy features, because all of those features still work like the vehicle is new. The simplicity is the whole point, and I'm yet to see any individual part on mine fail. Hell, the back window still goes down despite a construction worker smashing into my rear hatch. Window still works 😅
Most other "off-road" vehicles will break on the trail and require a tow out of there. IF you manage to break your 4Runner though, you can fix it right there and get your own self out. The simplicity of the 4Runner is what makes it so amazing. I pay a premium for that these days..
@@toma.6942 cool dude. Those Jeeps were plagued with electrical problems, but by 2004 they’d worked out most of the bugs. Then they immediately redesigned it in 2005, and brought in new, better problems 💁🏼♂️
I feel like I lucked out buying my 2020 TRD Off Road Premium for $4k under sticker in May 2020 right before prices exploded. I could probably get more than I paid for it.
@@alabama2uz Yeah, the upper crust of "professional" critics frequently end up in the minority. Auto experts, movie reviewers, wine snobs... you name it!
As a 4runner owner, I just wanted to add that it does have some of the features that Doug says are missing. For example, cooled seats and parking sensors are options on the limited, also most models have remote start if you press the lock twice and hold it down a third time on the key fob, and it doesn't have a power tail gate but the rear windshield can be operated with the key fob by holding lock/unlock buttons. Also the v6 engine did technically come out in the early 2000s but it was overhauled in 2010 with dual VVT that adds about 40 hp.
I own this exact SUV. Agree it could use a few more gears. Exhaust gets old quick on long road trips. One correction is it does have remote start. Just doesn’t have a dedicated button on the remote for it. Definitely not for everyone! It’s bulletproof, will take you almost anywhere and looks awesome Nice review 👍
Can you start it with your cell phone so it's cool/warm when you get in? Also, if you run into the store is there a way to let the climate system run while you are away for a few minutes? Thanks.
@@paulelledge8977 yes you can use the app to start it. It will only run for 10 mins. App is free at first but then you have to pay for the app. Not sure how long it’s free cause I’ve had mine less then a year
Just bought a new 2023 4Runner, and after driving it 6k miles, it has no problems an 8-speed can't fix. Much smoother and quieter than you would think, based on the reviews it gets. Drove it cross-country. Car & Driver literally said out of 24 mid-sized SUVs, they ranked the 4Runner dead last! (They ranked the Wrangler 11th, so....). And I'm getting 18-19 MPG. A GREAT truck, for under $50k.
This has to be one of the best reviews Doug has done.... He literally just roast the vehicle for 25min then laughably explains that consumers are somehow in love with the 4runner. Putting my money on it they will do a new design for 2024 Toyota just redesigned the Sequoia and the Tundra (least popular), up next will be the Tacoma and the 4runner (their more popular models).
The prices for these things are nuts but it just shows a LOT of people don’t want all the high tech crap that often is extremely to expensive to repair and replace. And the engine is extremely reliable.
I just bought about a week ago the 2023 4Runner TRD pro with the Solar Octane color and I just love it. Drives like my 2015 Tacoma that I traded in. I can see why folks love the 4Runner and now I do.
I’ve owned 2 4Runners, 2002 Sport Ed. and 2015 SR5. My son is still driving the 02 and, unfortunately, the 15 was totaled. My 2 favorite cars I’ve ever owned (and I’ve had a lot of them). The Toyota engines in these are almost bulletproof and one of their best features is the old school engine, transmission, and build quality (there still made ONLY in Japan). I now have a ‘21 Tacoma and the thing I miss the most from the 4Runner is the engine and transmission.
I have that exact model and color, and I love it. It's simple, and it can go anywhere. And it does have remote start, you just have to know how to use the key fob. The tranny is throttled on purpose, using only 60 is percent. The pedal commander is a plug in throttle bypass that makes the engine way more responsive, highly recommend.
Not just the states. Even though it's officially still on sale, Toyota has cancelled all orders for the 79 Series LandCruiser in Australia. Australia is one of the world's biggest LandCruiser markets. People are paying $120,000 2nd hand for a 79 that you could have new for $85,000. That's with 60,000km probably towing a 3 ton trailer and 2 years old.
@@isaac4273 j300 hilux and prado are still being manufactured, i think toyota just wants to be done with the 70 series just because of how old the platform is
@@isaac4273 the 300 series Wagon is barely available. Prado and Hilux are a big wait. As is the hybrid Rav4 (which is the shit hybrid with 1.6kWh "self charging" hybrid, not the plug-in).
I love this vehicle. I think it’s one of the best looking SUV’s. Especially in person. There is something nice about a car without all the gizmo’s and gadgets. I rather have a simpler vehicle (less things to break) and a have the vehicle be able last a long time… which this vehicle does. I’ll pay an extra few bucks so it’s not constantly in the shop and the engine runs for 250k plus miles reliably.
In addition to the points Doug mentioned, I'd also point out that the off-road market in general seems resistant to change. Consider how long the original Ford Bronco, Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and Jeep CJ were around without substantial updates.
It's mainly bc the demographic that buys them are immune to object information and easily influenced by trends into buying outdated trash so they can personify fictional characters while cruising mall parking lots lol
@@jamesreuss9704 Yeah if they aren't going to add any additional features or redesign it, it should definitely not be as expensive as it is. Unfortunately, people have proven that they're willing to pay such big dollars so the price will stay as high as it is.
I think a lot of things are better integrated, utilized, and more reliable when they are analog. Not everything is better when made digital, and I feel like all manufacturers are having trouble finding the right balance. Some of those old school things haven't changed, because they didn't need to. A great example: Physical buttons for your AC, knobs for volume ect.
I just went from a 2014 Grand Cherokee SRT to a 2014 4runner. I HATED all the controls being on the touch screen, I love the big fat knobs on the 4runner, they won't fail.
I agree. I'm not a fan of a screen for the speedometer, tachometer, and the gauges for oil temp n fuel. For the infotainment, fine as long as it's not over 11"
I really want to get a brand new J76 or J78. They have the same engine as the 4runner (at 230HP, but you can boost it to 270hp), but with a 5 speed manual, which I think is much better
Oh really? I'm shorter than you but too tall for a lot of today's vehicles, and I was worried that it might be too small. Thanks for proving otherwise.
Lol agreed to the tee! Lovee 4runners but despite their actual dimensions, I love my fj because it’s even more dumbed down and simple (also feels roomier) than a 4runner.
I have a 4th gen, this being the 5th. Over a quarter of a million miles. Starts like a gem, no matter what. People are obsessed with this car. Doug coming in HOT with the commentary tho 😂
I have an '18 SR5 and I love it so much. It looks so beefy and masculine. I especially love that it is so minimalistic. I use it off road ALOT and and less is more in the wilds! I love that it works every crank and is more reliable than any other off road SUV!
Absolutely excellent point at 24:57 about car reviewers' mentality. Reviewers tend to be pretty interested in car technology and performance, which is understandable if you're really interested in car design. But there is a big disconnect with what the average consumer values. For most people, a car is a tool and the main concerns are reliability and functionality.
@@juddjonathan Lol. Everyone has been stating this since around 2008 and it all turns out to be a farce. In 2011, Hyundai and Kia were claimed to have reached Toyota-level reliability because they improved from what was absolute garbage to what seemed like high quality. As the saying goes, "The Emperor Has no Clothes" now that people can see beyond the "attractive" designs and see that the cars are just built cheap, with Engines that blow, catch on fire, and you have to pay a premium to get one with an immobilizer, something that Toyota and Honda made standard on EVERY car no matter how darn cheap it was back circa 2001.
@@jackc4806 yet, people do. The argument as to why is endless if you simply ignore the fact that people truly admire what these cars are, a tool that doesn’t break, will not stop in poor weather and looks cool doing so. Everything else falls to the wayside because that’s what most people do in cars, they drive it to places and plan on getting there every time. Take a step back and realize what a car is, then you will understand the mentality behind Toyota and the people who buy it.
I’m honestly not surprised it’s still extremely popular despite its age. It looks good, ride quality is fantastic, the tech you do get is purpose built and not gimmicky with some modern features sprinkled in and the powertrain came out before electricity so it’s time tested. It’s one of the last true old school SUVs without all the aids and electronic nanny’s. It will be timeless for years to come!
It’s a great family SUV that looks like you go off-roading. And I don’t mean that pejoratively. Everybody shits on mall crawlers, but I’d rather be caught dead than in an actual minivan. 4Runner is a way for you to cart your kids to soccer practice and look cool doing it
@@TonyCox1351 Even though the Toyota 4Runner isn't the most up to date vehicle I think it's a cool SUV if you're looking for a rugged truck this is it. With that being said, if you're looking for a modern yet luxurious interior then, you may want to look somewhere else as the 4runner is not the most modern SIV ever so don't expect it to be perfect. Plz reply.
It's a good buy. Can't stockpile electricity very easily...but you can stockpile gasoline (non ethanol) if anything goes wrong, an all electric society would grind to a halt and no one goes more than, what maybe 300 miles one way.
@@mattX5 Toyota makes 6 of the top 25 sold cars in America, 4 in the top 10. It might be outdated but people seem to love it, there's no incentive for them to change anything. If aint broke, dont fix it, as they say
It's nice to see Toyota produce a car that is iconic to them. In the past, these cars were industructible, while many brands produce luxury "off-road" cars, such as the Defender, Toyota is one of the brands that continues to know how to make cars like these, pure and tough.
I bought a 2021 TRD Off Road for the exact reasons you mentioned. It is old school, engine transmission and everything is tried and true, highly dependable, build for long term trouble free and no major problems. This is the car that Scotty Kilmer spoke so highly of and everything he said about the 4 runner is true. Toyota could sell this car unchanged for another 13 years and people will buy it.
My first car was a 98 4Runner, still the best car I owned after my current 17 Camry. I love the current Gens and took one on a trip across country with my family. One of the best cars ever built period. I hope Toyota doesn’t change it too much on the redesign.
@@Alex-rl4uy I also daily drive a ‘98 SR5 that just hit the 300,000 mile club this year. That’s why when it was time to get my wife a vehicle he chose to get a ‘21 4Runner Off-Road Premium. I get more compliments on my 98 than I have received on all other vechiles I’ve owned combined
@@RoyalDetailing661 I daily an '01 SR5, absolutely love it only about 209,000 on her too! I get compliments all the time about it, and it makes my day every time.
We have a 2018. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned. I can also fix/repair everything on it in my garage. Can’t say that for most modern vehicles. Super reliable and just great to drive.
These things are built like a Rolex Submariner, and like that watch the design changes are minimal, the internals are bombproof, and the value retained is incredible. Please Toyota, don’t overcomplicate the new generation and saddle us with a four cylinder turbo that will never have the same longevity on a heavy truck like this.
I grew up with a ‘98 4Runner as the family car. Several cars have occupied the other spot in the garage but I think my parents plan to keep maintaining and driving the 4Runner for as long as they can drive. I have no doubt that that truck will make it well beyond 500k miles. Needless to say, it has had a big impact on what I like in a vehicle.
@@Moneyoverfunnnie wrangler is way more modernized than the 4Runner, especially the infotainment and drivetrain. They have a plug in hybrid 4xe, 392 v8 Hemi, and so many different drivetrains and engine choices, updated infotainment, optional led lights and drl’s, off road camera views, and a lot more modern features. Even though the wrangler looks largely the same, it’s definitly been updated way more than the 4runner but I love my 4runner and how simple it is. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
This made me go hug my Xterra. 4.0 V6, 5 speed auto, bare bones features, paid $24k brand new in 2012. Zero issues with reliability. I totally get why people love these kinds of vehicles, it's completely not special on the spec sheet, but there's just something special about them. You can pry my Xterra from my cold, dead hands.
@@bradhaines3142 I totally agree most Nissans are trash, but every manufacturer will have some exceptions. I think Nissan really shot themselves in the foot when they started putting CVTs in everything.
@@bradhaines3142 I have a 2000 Nissan Frontier I bought new. 220K miles and the only things I have had to fix aside from regular maintenance are replacing the alternator and the water pump.
The thing that makes the 4Runner popular is it stays true to its roots. A body-on-frame, mid-sized truck-based SUV with 4x4, and it’s customization diversity. Something that other competitors don’t offer (well besides of course the Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco). Meanwhile the Explorer, Pathfinder, Passport, and Blazer all went soccer moms on us
Body on frame trucks are not good though. They rust and rot. Body movement is bad. Accident ratings are poor. They fold up in accidents. They ride rough and are bouncy. They also have a lot more sway and brake dive. People love them for 4 wheeling cause they flex. You can add a body lift if needed. Most importantly, they are overhyped. A unibody structure is best for daily driving. Way more rigid and won’t rot and rust. Accident safely is hugely improved. Handling is sharper as there’s no more body flex. It’s all one piece. They also hold up in accidents very well. If you do not use them for daily 4 wheeling, they are not worth it. If only used for a daily driver, they are extremely overpriced. Fuel economy makes it even a worse buy.
As a Firefighter, IMO this is one of the safest vehicles I've ever come across. I've worked several wrecks that the 4runner fared MUCH better than the opposing vehicle. The worst of which was a 55mph offset head-on; Toyota had 5 passengers, including infant in rear-facing seat and all of them walked away without a scratch. The other driver got a helicopter ride.
@@fidelcatsro6948 2000's Chevy Blazer. Toyota A-pillar had 100% integrity, which is a key indicator of how f'd up someone might be. If the A-pillar is jacked up, 99/100 so are they. I live in the country and don't see a lot of lux cars, so can't compare. Whoever asked how many fatalities I see; really dude? The deadliest stretch of I-57 runs through the middle of my district. Too many...
@@lightningjohnson7065 yesterday someone in a civic died he ran into a turning bus...front bonnet was flat..front seats were already folded up like a suitcase.. 😭
I went hiking last weekend and had to park my Subaru about a mile from the trailhead because the road got too rocky. From that point on, half of the cars that I saw were 4Runners, all with some sort of customization, and every single one of them looked good. People don't buy 4Runners for touchscreens and safety features - they buy them because they enjoy having their own unique adventure vehicle.
Its a fair point, but there is no way the vast majority of 4Runner buyers buy them because of this. Most NEW 4Runner owners are moms, just like the F150 is the most sold vehicle in the US, its not tough rugged men buying them. They were just told its reliable, the tech is primitive so they don't actually have to 'catch up' with it, they're old enough with enough driving EXP that they can actually manage a larger vehicle, its gigantic so it can haul children and whatever else they want on the occasion, and it makes them feel safer due to its size and visibility than your average Corolla or Camry. Its not a coincidence that its basically the first large SUV Toyota sales besides the Highlander. Its at the right place, right time. Its basically the perfect mom SUV.
I know a girl that bought one last year. Then moved to Miami. She doesn't hike and has never been off-road. Some people buy them just so they aren't in a "basic" Jeep.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia yeah but there's a huge market for 4Runner groups and a ton of customization options. Just saying that's still a big part of their sales
TRD Off Road is the trim to get. I paid $40,500 in early 2021. After upgrading several components I'd say my 4Runner is now cooler and more capable than the Pro. 🥰
I think Doug hit the nail right on the head. Part of why I love my 2016 (first vehicle I ever bought brand new) was because it’s a familiar feel to what I was used to. Some of these newer vehicles are great and have cool gizmos, but I like not having to look at the temperature dial to change it, or the fan speed dial and such. I like just knowing where the buttons and knobs are without having to use a touch screen to change settings. Much like touch screen phones, you have to be pretty deliberate in your input with most modern vehicles, and bumpy roads can be infuriating with that. When you’ve got large buttons and knobs, bring on the bumps. You can still keep your eyes on the road and find what you need
Exactly. Buts it not about familiarity. It’s about function and simplicity. My nephew has a nice newer Silverado. The radio went out on it: the touchscreen type with all of the controls. Went to go to work and the truck wouldn’t start. Are you kidding me??? A broken radio rendered his truck inoperable. 2 weeks and $1200 later his truck would start again. But consumers gotta have a 42” wide screen in the vehicle to control everything. Just like a dial or push button for 4 wheel drive. What a joke. Go lock the hubs and pull the transfer case lever. If something does go bad it can be fixed relatively inexpensively. This new tech stuff is a joke.
OK, this incarnation of the 4runner sucks! I have a 2003 V8 4runner and a 2014 (only available in the V6. 1 Fuel tank cannot be locked in the 2014 (and in this reviewed TRD pro as well! 2 Rear windscreen cannot open with the key fob (available on the 2003 3 No single motion start on the 2014 (available on the 2003) 4 Smaller cup holders (on a larger car 5 There are mirrors on the internal aspect of the rear pillar that alows you to see round a corner when reversing...available on the 03 but not on the 14 6 the position of the light switch for the trunk on the 2014 is just silly but in the 03, perfect! Ultimately, the car is well built, handles and drives well and is spacious and comfortable, however, the attention to design detail is lacking. It is as if they designed it from scratch and didn't pay attention to the subtle details that make the 03 model a masterpiece. Frankly, I would trade the 2014 for another 03, but my wife would have my skin!
@@troyhodulik5542 Touchscreens aren't going to last. Even Elon Musk had questioned why a car owner would keep a Tesla out to several years old. He knows the touchscreen won't last.
I got so lucky getting my 2020 TRD Off Road Premium below sticker before the prices went bananas. I actually prefer the ORP because you can easily modify it to be much better than a TRD Pro for less than the Pro is off the lot. I also love my 4Runner and wouldn’t trade it for anything.
That is why the ORP is the best 4Runner in this current generation. KDSS does make a huge difference and modifying it your way for less money than the TRD Pro is so awesome haha.
Honestly if I have to overpay for a vehicle these days (and they're all overpriced) I'd rather spend my money on this thing. This truck just works. It's like the Voyager I and II spacecraft that were launched in the 1970's but are still going strong.
@@DescartesRenegade unless you ordered an R1S a year or so ago you aren’t getting one anytime soon. The only thing it has in common with the 4runner is the rigged aspect at best. Nowhere near as customizable and reliability has yet to be seen since its a 1st gen of a brand new company
I bought a new 4Runner SR5 in 2018. It worked quite well living in Montana where roads get nasty in the winter. Then I moved elsewhere with mild winters and bailed on it very quickly. It was nice tho, I liked it a lot. Plus I sold it for nearly the same price I bought it at since they hold value well. I'd buy another, but not at these inflated prices.
I bought a 2010 Jeep Commander limited in 2010. It has a 2" OME lift with 265/70's now. I recently started looking for a replacement after some jerk side swiped it. I was looking at a 4runner but can't justify any of it. 13 years newer than my commander and it has the same/ arguably less capability off-road less options and the v6 gets less mpg than a 5.7 hemi on the highway. Thank you for the video Doug I appreciate that your delivery doesn't have any bloat and they are worth paying attention to from start to finish.
DOUG HIT IT ON THE HEAD. This is exactly why I bought my 2020 4R! 35,000 miles so far and just oil changes. I had a 2008 E61 BMW that I spec ordered brand new w manual - at 35,000 mile I already had turbo rattles (known issue) and a small stack of dealer repairs. This is why i wanted less crap features,,,, old school rules!
“Old school rules” is just another way of saying “I’m stuck in the past” People need to learn to accept change. Embrace new ideas and new things. I never understood the ideology of waiting until something new turns old just to appreciate it.
A year ago I bought a used 2014 4WD T4R SR5. I spent about $2k extra to change shocks, coils, and upper control arms. That added about 2 extra inches of lift. I took it offroad on some medium-level trails in Virginia. The truck went through it flawlessly. Not one single issue. I still don't understand why ppl would spend that much money on the TRD PRO. It won't do anything that an SR5 won't. And you can get these with low miles for less than half of the value of a brand new.
@@PureHavok777 The difference that you mention is the suspension. Upgrade the suspension on a SR5 and there's no difference. The only one that has a tad better handling on road is the Off Road version, cause the SPSS (very similar to the GX460.)
I ordered a 2022 manual Tacoma for the simple fact that there is basically no gadgets and gizmo's in the thing and I know it's going to outlive me. I loved it's simplicity
I'd still take a Tacoma over this, the interior looks a lot cleaner. This one is so limited in usability. The fact with a Tacoma you have a bed, you can customize that storage portion to however you want and is way more flexible. I believe the backseats on a Tacoma are tighter though, that's my only complaint if hauling people is important. Also Tacoma does not look as dated as this on the inside. To pay the same price for this atrocious interior is crazy. For work or play, the stuff you can do with a Tacoma is insane.
Thanks Doug for the best review of the 4Runner. I'm an owner of a 2007 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 2WD 125K miles. The most low tech vehicle and looks and runs like new. Why can't other builders learn the "Kaizan Theory" from Toyota!
I’m on my second 4Runner. The limited has work well for me. Never breakdown, no recall list, 400k miles and motor runs better than a new bronco. Nobody buy this car for tech. Is built for those who doesn’t have time to be at a mechanic shop & for those who enjoy off road with out worrying is going to break down.
Lol @ runs better than a new bronco. Sorry, I test drove this ancient dinosaur and it in no way runs better than the bronco. This thing was so slow I could barely merge onto the highway. 0-60 seemed like it was 10 seconds. It was also insanely loud for being so slow and having a weaker engine than a bronco. The interior was so cheap I couldn’t help but chuckle knowing Toyota must have like a 10,000% markup on these.
@@slavikpetrakov7822 you are taking the words out of context. He said "_motor_ runs better than a new bronco". That claim is easy to verify: over the past 20 years 1GR-FE had less recalls than 2.3 and 2.7 EcoBoosts in the past 5 years.
@@slavikpetrakov7822 I had a 19 pro and loved the interior. The fake leather was super durable and easy to clean. I also miss not having to go into the display to change the temperature etc.
As much as I wish it had more tech, this is probably one of the best vehicles for camping or going off the grid into the wilderness. Jeep, G-wagon, Land Rover, etc. may be cooler, but nothing beats this ancient 4Runner in reliability. The last thing you want is for your vehicle to break down in the middle of nowhere. And this is quite "affordable" compared to those. BUT for the average buyers who only take these SUVs to their local Whole Foods, there are certainly better vehicles lol
New tech sucks for the most part, I don’t need a car to tell me to keep my eyes on the road, fight me in steering, brake when it thinks I should, slam brakes in when I’m backing up my trailer because it thinks I’m going to hit something or shut off every damn time I stop my car.
When this is running smooth 20 years from now…and that’s long after most current 70k EVs battery life has expired and the most up to date tech will be long outdated …I think that’s the point .
Well. I used to have a 2012 Jetta. All I do with it is grocery runs. But after I bought my 22 trd sports. I go places…. And live in Colorado. There are many places to go.
I just picked up a new one yesterday. I paid MSRP. I think there is a lot of hype over dealers placing extreme premiums on these, which is not the norm.
We got to borrow a low mileage, 2020 White 4Runner last weekend. To be honest, the ride was really rough. Could feel every single tiny pot hole & bump. The interior feels outdated & spartan. I know it's not technically a luxury SUV, but expected more for $65k. Ended up parking next to a 2014-2015 4Runner & honestly I think the older models look better and likely ride better too. I think 2014/15 was the sweet spot in terms of features/looks!
@@samharris4680 perhaps. But as Doug says, the lack of features and ride quality that you dislike is actually what attracts many buyers, myself included. I want 250k+ reliability with rugged good looks, which is has in droves.
Here’s why they still sell. Bomb proof engine, trans, driveline. Unstoppable reliability. When you are 250 miles out in the middle of no where Toyota 4Runners and Landcrusiers are great peace of mind!
I don't get why Toyota didn't offer the TRD Pro with the 4.6 V8 and 6 speed like the Lexus GX. It's an amazing drive train and will last the apocalypse.
The 4 Runner is my dream truck since I was in high school back in 2000. Fast forward, a 4 Runner is in my garage and love it. I don’t care about how old the tech is or how bad the gas mileage it has. Its a fun versatile well built and equipped vehicle and hope Toyota does not do too much with the upcoming 2023 or 2024 model to compromise what the 4Runner has become today.
As much as I love technology and do to and extent desire them in my car, one of the reasons I love the 4runner and the lexus GX is simple feature don't break as much as complex features. The cars just work, and when they break you're not paying 1000s to replace something stupid. I compare it to say the BMW x5. Great engines and features, but the drive and electronics break all the darn time
I loved this one! I would never pay 70K for that BUT I love the truck. I loved the part where you explain why people still by it. I agree, it has what you need, nothing you don't and every components has been tested for 13yrs in the field and everything works. As a product designer on contract out to various automotive companies over my 20 years I thought Toyota's methods were interesting. If they have a part they like on a vehicle going out of production or being revamped and it has been proven to be quality they copy it as much as possible as they design the new version so all details carry through as much as the style allows. It is a little painful to deal with, almost feels closed minded, but in the end parts on the new vehicle don't fail.
I think making only subtle changes to the body of the 4runner has appeal to used buyers and helped inflate this market. You can find a cherry 2011 and it looks like a 2017 from the curb. Also at 2-300k miles, the 4runners missing features ie: non-powergate rear and manual shifting linkage etc.. become features instead of failure points.
Love my 4th gen. I love its lack of "features". I like knobs and physical controls and not having to control things through a screen. I like that there aren't a bunch of "features" that are just going to fail in a few years. Very low-tech and it just works. Eventually mine will die, likely decades from now, and when that happens I hope the 4Runners at that time are still "ancient" compared to competitors. Except that roof "basket" -- Toyota's roof racks are the one point I can't get behind and I replaced mine right after I got it. I can't imagine owning anything else other than a 4Runner at this point, this thing is just great for me personally.
The knobs are a great point that I can't comprehend why people would go for anything newer. The 4th gen, once you've had a little bit of time in it, is a vehicle where you can feel the controls and know exactly what your pressing without looking down to check, as long as you aren't fooling around with the infotainment. It's not a major point, but I do think it comes at the benefit of driver awareness.
@@ashleyhamman The lights behind all of my hvac controls has been burned out for probably a couple years at this point. I know I can replace it with one or maybe two screws behind the pop-out storage -- but because they're physical knobs and I know exactly where they are and what they do, I haven't had a need to replace the lights. I don't even look at them so whether they're illuminated or not doesn't matter. When I drive someone else's car with an infotainment system I find myself annoyed more than anything. My buddy's tesla -- wow, the "eyes off the road" attention that goes into the simplest things is mind boggling. I'm totally good with physical knobs and as little tech as possible. It's one of the only parts of my life that isn't heavy on tech and I appreciate that.
Agreed! I like the interior of the 4th gen better than the 5th, I feel like the AC controls, cup holders, etc. up front are perfectly designed and placed.
250,000 miles on our 4Runner. It has no leaks and needs nothing. It has never broken down and is capable on and offroad. There aren't really a lot of vehicles, maybe none, that are like the 4Runner in how affordable its ownership is in combination with its legendary reliability. People know that and that is why it is in demand. It can do anything and the chances of it leaving you stranded are slim to none.
I have a 2017 trd pro that I bought new with 12 miles on it. It now has over 140k and other than routine maintenance and 2 door lock actuators I’ve had no issues. The 4runner is a perfect vehicle.
Every single thing Doug points out is a positive selling point for me. All that other stuff in ‘modern’ cars is just stuff few buyers need, can actually afford, and many people can’t even figure out how to use. But a reliable and durable drive train? Yes please.
I enjoy your reviews, I enjoy your humor. We bought my wife this vehicle - TRD Pro in the Lime Rush. We purchased it new on Feb 28, 2022. You are right, most dealers wanted 10-15K over sticker! We ended up buying hers at Capital Toyota for sticker. Honestly, once she had decided on this vehicle and I would have paid the markup if needed. We are now empty nesters and this is the first vehicle - in the past 25 years - that will be a vehicle that is HERS ,and and not the kid mobile. We own a horse farm and while we have other vehicles, this is one she can comfortably drive on the road, around our property, off road...anyplace she wants. We have had many vehicles with far more creature comforts over the years; in fact, most of them did. My wife could have basically had any vehicle she wanted (under 125K) and she LOVES this vehicle. It just simply goes where she points it, and the 4WD capability is terrific for a bone stock vehicle. You did not really score on reliability. However with the exception of Range Rover, most of the vehicles she considered are reliable for the first 50K miles. I daily drive a Tacoma (4X4 TRD OR). I bought it new in Jan of 2019. I now have 210K trouble free (other than routine/recommended) miles on this truck - many of those miles in 4WD. My son has a 2002 Tacoma (4X4 TRD OR) - my best friend purchased it new and sold it to my son about 3 years ago. He now has around 300K trouble free (other than routine/recommended maintenance) miles on this Tacoma. While reliability of the 4 Runner is probably not a huge issue - as many folks will never keep a vehicle long enough to need a vehicle that will go 'forever' - I think the peace of mind plays a major factor in the desirability. We currently also have 3 GMC Trucks/SUVs too, along with the mentioned Toyotas. While GMC certainly has FAR more creature comforts than do the Toyota ones do, the Toyota SUV/trucks just hold up better for our lifestyle. The 4 Runner can't compete on paper - that is for sure....but on the road and off the road...it is a WINNER.
I think this car goes to show that modern cars don't need annoying modern features like phone chargers, stupid electronic gear selectors, or a massive MULTI MEDIA SCREEN to be good. The old school-ness is one of the biggest selling points for me.
I picked up a new 2023 4Runner TRD PRO yesterday at MSRP. I traded in my 2018 standard SR5 with 76,000 miles on it and get almost what I paid for it new. It's crazy, but I ain't complainin'!
I have a 2010 Limited and I love it to death! I've built it out for offroading and camping and it's served me well on a couple of overlanding trips with some pretty gnarly offroading, as well as hauling all sorts of gear and toys for weekend adventures:). I laughed through a lot of the interior features (or lack thereof) because it just doesn't matter. If anything, you're right about simple being a good thing. I have never cared for a power trailgate, I usually find them annoying... The roll down window is hugely awesome for air flow though! All this being said, if I wanted to buy NEW, I would probably wait for the 6th gen 🤷♂️
I totally agree. They're great trucks but by now just too outdated (same with the Tacoma) it's probably wiser to wait the 2 years for the new generation to come out
This comment says a lot about Toyota. You bought the first model year of the current generation 4Runner, and it is still on the road. Go look for 2007 Wranglers, they are no longer in existence.
I bought the 23 TRD Off Road and I love it so far. Has everything I need, and provides me with all of the storage space I could ask for. Hopefully it’s the last new car I buy.
All your negatives are EXACTLY why people want this vehicle. No computers, no electronics, none of those expensive and hard to diagnose things to repair/replace.
I love my 2016 TRDPro 4R. You are correct. Less is more. It's one of the reasons we love them. Purpose built and crazy capable, along with reliability. Fuel economy is poor but it's a japanese lunchbox. Small price to pay for a body on frame SUV.
These are very capable off-roaders. I rented one a few weeks back when I was down in TX, and took it on the beach out at Bolivar Flats. The sand was a little damp and with the 4WD, I was able to traverse it with ease. The turn radius isn't the best, but I will say that they run like a charm!!
@@charlieperkinson6857 Yes sir!! I initially put it on 4 Hi, then eventually shifted it into 4 Lo. After that, it was crawling like a crab on the sand!!
@@kirbymccasland Have you attempted the fabled trip from High Island to Sea Rim Park on the beach? Very risky trip, but very rewarding if done properly!!
When I bought mine I just saw it in the lot and liked the look. After test driving it I realized that’s it’s comfortable and nimble fur a large suv. XReas suspension is very good. Love the ride height, squares, visibility and the huge trunk. This vehicle is a bargain if you want large boxy, tall truck based suv that’s super reliable.
The biggest quirk you forgot to mentions is that Toyota still puts the old two button digital clock in these modern vehicles. I remember that same clock in my 87 carolla hatchback. Kinda nostalgic but also cheap.
Simple solution for the price problems are to buy a lower trim. They’re basically the same and the cost makes a lot more sense for what you’re getting. He also missed the coolest part about of the back seat which is that they recline! Maybe this is common in other cars but it blew my mind
Toyota loves doing this. My 2008 Avalon has reclining back seats. Not a ton, but for a sedan it’s enough that if I ever have people sitting back there, I try to put them all the way up first JUST so I can say “pull that lever on your side” and watch their faces as the seats slide back lol.
There are some features that are only available on the TRD-Pro, but most can be found on the Offroad Premium trim level. That said.. most people will NEVER need those features (on either), and they'd be best served just getting the base model. But those special colors...!!!! Absolute best feature on any 4Runner though? Rolling down the rear window.
@@MasonH24 I can’t think of a feature that is available on the pro but not on the off road other than the lift kit. But most people ditch the stock suspension anyway so it’s moot. I agree those colors are awesome tho!
I have a 4runner. Thought about selling it for something newer with more gimmicks. But Doug has made me love my 4runner again and confirms why I bought it in the first place. Thank you
Essentially traded mine for a 21 taco. Needed the bed, but I miss my 4runner everyday. Immediate power, zero reliability issues and nothing will ever beat the back window. You made a great choice
I got a hyundai palisade made in Korea and it has more hp than this so quicker and of course being a present day hyundai a lot of features that this is missing. But the 4 runner has legendary reliability and being body on frame it is a steal. Regardless if you pay more it’ll last forever made in Japan.
I think it's time more auto makers start listening and understand not everyone wants a tiny little turbo charged engine in a throw away piece of junk, car truck or SUV. I've loved 4Runners for years and years, and finally had the good fortune to be able to purchase a 2022 in January. I bought it specifically because it hasn't changed, and is just solid reliable tough transportation. It is vault quiet, built like a Sherman tank, rides great, and requires very little maintenance fuss. One of the last few soliders left that is true to its roots. When you drive it, it feels like you are driving something substantial.
I was tempted to order a new Bronco, it looks terrific and is very capable, but the hardtop noise and engine failures turned me off. So I ordered a new TRD Pro.
I love my 2012 4Runner and have the best quirk. It comes with a “party mode” button to the lower left below the steering wheel. Unfortunately there isn’t a disco ball drop or anything but it does enhance the sound a little. I believe it was meant to enhance sound when the lift gate was open.
The fact that this thing is missing so many features, uses an old engine, has had only minor cosmetic changes in the last 13 years, but still increases in cost year over year is INSANE. All the tooling and R&D is paid for now. This thing must PRINT money for Toyota.
And sadly because of regulations, they are pulling the plug with a ground-up refreshed model due... whenever the hell they decide to finally release it.
It's really not that insane. People want a vehicle the government can't shut off on a whim. The older the technology the better.
Toyota is a proof that reliability > technology. I'm keeping my 22 years old Toyota because it has everything I need for a car. If I need more there's always high quality aftermarket parts & accessories in the market.
So many of the really old designs sell well these days, because a lot of people want and love something simple and reliable...yet no carcompany REALLY goes down on that and serves this market. Such a pitty. I assume they get regulated to hell by governments.
And you still want one don't ya?
I was a mechanic from 2008 to 2017, and the 4 runner has basically been the same vehicle since 2005. The Toyota 4.0L V6 power train is one of the most prolific platforms of all time, being utilized in the older Tundra, FJ Cruiser, Tacoma 05-15, and 4Runner 05-Current. In all those years as an auto mechanic, I have seen precisely ONE of these engines out of the chassis. It had over 200k miles on it when the water pump failed and the owner overheated it so badly that the engine seized. We repaired the cooling system, put new plugs in it, and the owner drove it for another 20k before the head gaskets failed. I bought the truck for 1000$ off of the guy, and when I pulled the engine apart, there were no cracks in the heads or cylinders, no warpage of the block, no leak down on the bench. Got new gaskets and repolished the valves/seats, and I’ve been driving it for 4 years. Truck is about to turn 20 years old and it drives better than my GF’s 6 year old Kia with 100k on it. Anyone that doesn’t “get” the 4Runner popularity just simply doesn’t know. If I were to replace mine with anything, it would just be a new one.
In all the years I've had a 4Runner.. I can't name a single "oh shit" moment I had mechanically. They're absolutely rock-solid. Even the old ones (if you skip the V6 from the 2nd gen, I've got one of those too..).
Finally someone with sense lol love my toyota...
@@MasonH24 I have seen a lot of major repairs on them. Full rear end rebuilds, trans/torque converter failure, computer/ignition system failure, but the common thread is that those vehicles had 200-300k+ miles on them, and most of the time are abuse related. Granted, I live in a dry climate, so our cars don’t rust out like they do in the Midwest and the South, but my money is still on these trucks being the most reliable vehicles of the modern era.
I like my taco bc it’s Manual everything. I’m at 230k with just maintenance stuff I’ve had to do like clutch, plugs, etc. Finna to do the fuel pump, it’s going strong, but I feel it going out in the next 20k or so. I don’t care about yuppie features. Just want dependability, functionally, and look cool. Checks all boxes
@@MasonH24 2nd Gen 1994 V6 still running strong at >200k. Toyota did replace the head gaskets as a recall around 80k, and it's been bomb proof ever since.
Not many vehicles get reviewed twice by Doug. Goes to show how special the 4runner is.
It isnt 😂😂. Classic toyota outdated crap
You mean what a scam it is today?
@@markoblagojevic56 bro just say you can’t afford a 4runner, it’s okay
@@markoblagojevic56 Outdated? Yes, but it'll be way more reliable than most things on the market for sure.
"Special"
This just shows how important, “I just want a damn reliable vehicle” still is to a lot of people
Any car no matter how "cool" will lose its luster after enough breakdowns and regular visits to the dealership/mechanic with the associated costs.
Toyota knows exactly what they are doing.Poeple buy those things,I was shopping for one 3 years ago and there was a waiting list to get one.I just gave up but I shouldnt have cause they worth a lot of money today.
Nobody who can afford to buy a new 4Runner cares about reliability. The truth is all cars are reliable these days, they just need to be taken care of.
During a time where almost nothing is reliable anymore
@@Memesfromthestreets I disagree, I have worked in the auto business for over 20 years and unfortunately there are several vehicles that are terrible when it comes to reliability and durability. Proper maintenance and good driving habits help vehicles last but there are some brands that are just made poorly with cheap materials.
I love my 4Runner. It doesn't get the best MPG by any means, the powertrain is ancient, it doesn't have all of the new tech available today, but it'll go almost anywhere and will run until the wheels fall off.
that's what it's all about 😀
The biggest question is... who asked nigga?
It’s just an old ancient suv that will constantly remind u of its age
Like the bZ4x 💀
No hate though. The 4Runner is great.
I have a 2010; the first year of this generation. I love it, and it’s hard to explain why, but you did a pretty good job. It’s insanely capable, bulletproof reliable, and not trying too hard. This vehicle is a great example of how many car reviewers focus on the widgets and the numbers while missing the less quantifiable things so many actual car buyers love. I am impressed to see that you get it, and can explain it. You’re pretty good at this, Doug. Have you ever considered reviewing cars for a living?
I... I think he does this for a living ...
@@FOWBOWZ hmmmm not really
well would you look at that, my two favorite youtubers collide!
Funny, because I was watching your Death Valley video the other day wondering “hmm, that’s a really modern looking 4runner, but it also looks a little older”. I didn’t realize Toyota has been making this generation since 2010! 😅
People who bought Toyota trucks made investments. Aston Martin super car loses 50 % value off lot.
The 4Runner truly is a special vehicle and there’s a reason they cost so much. They are simple and just refuse to die. Mine is coming up on 16 years old with 437k on the odometer and all I’ve ever needed to do was regular maintenance and a spark plug change. Not surprised Toyota keeps setting records with it.
4runners are dogs I work at a Toyota dealership. Camrys last to 200k but not 4runners. It's an issue of parts your 4runner will blow a timing chain and it will cost heaps of money just cuz of how long it takes to fix them
This is dumb comment. I have a Camry and 4 runners are infinitely more reliable than Camry's. The engines aren't nearly as reliable and many have oil burning issues
@@voiceofreason2674 I have 214,000 miles on my 2005 4 runner v8. It still runs and passes inspection. Mobil 1 every 5000 miles
Beautiful 🥲 how’s it holding up in 2024? I love a good Toyota story.
Most things are reliable these days. You are paying 20k extra for reliability. Plus you are paying a lot for fuel. So in the long run, you are spending a ton more for less.
Toyota really has done a hell of a job with their reputation. They are synonymous with reliability. Japanese cars in general kind of are, but they are the first name that pops in to most people's minds.
Newer hondas are kinda iffy now, mazdas arent the greatest past 100k and forget avout nissan lol
70 grand for this is crazy. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 4Runner but Toyota is just milking people now with their "reliability". It is the same thing with Blackberry who kept trying to sell their "security". Auto manufacturers in general have gotten better in terms of reliability over time since everyone has copied the "Toyota Manufacturing Process" and most parts are made by a few other companies. Only thing the automakers are doing now is final assembly. Take that 70k and buy a Jeep and add an extended warranty.
Another good thing is all these off-roaders by them are gonna be very cheap for us looking for new project cars in a couple years 🤩
@@brarautorepairs let's be honest here as long as Americans keep buying this Toyota will take their cash,who says no to free money
A 4runner never ends up in a landfill. It will be driven till every atom is no longer organized. That’s environmentally friendly to me. No waste
No changes over the years, means less year specific spare parts to manufacture and store.
I don't mind working on these when they come into the shop for a service. Easy to work on, harder for some trd models cuz you gotta deal with all the skidplates for oil changes, but it's not an issue. Love that truck
🅱️oug 🅱️emuro. The bots are hilarious sometimes.
Probably some of the cleanest (aside from mud) and most well maintained cars that come thru the shop. Every 4Runner I see in the wild is so clean
I’ve had my 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium for exactly 1 year and honestly all the “issues” you point out are the reasons why it’s so good. There’s so little that can actually stop working which makes it so good.
I just got a 2023 ORP Ice Cap White. I traded in a practically fully loaded CR-V and I realized how much I didn't use many of these features. I am quite happy!
my thoughts exactly
exactly. It's why they sell so well.
So then make a price that resembles removing features, ah durrrr
@@Avicados supply and demand. They have no incentive to reduce price.
19:25 -- That "sad tailgate face" has got to be one of Doug's best all-time performances.
Same with our "pajero". It looks like it's crying blood.
No it wasn't. Don't encourage him.
I shed a tear, I was so sad for him
Don't encourage him, he's an ass already.
Terrifying, tbh
Toyota for the most part understands their customer base for these vehicles, which is why they don't change too many things. They've learned how to leave "well enough" alone.
Umm I’ma tell you right now most if not ALL have said they need to do better especially with back up camera
@@miguelvega7769 what? We don't care about reverse cameras🤣 bunch of pointless nonsense. We buy these to tow boats reliably not use it in reverse while watching a screen. I don't know anyone in the UK who uses reverse camera full stop.
Exactly, Toyota´s customers in general wants something simple that don´t break, they are not looking for 4k backup camera or latest gadgets, those are things that gonna be outdated in few years,but they buy the car to last decades
@@igorR061 How are safety features going to be outdated in a few years? Imagine if they said that about airbags lol.
@@bigduphusaj162 that’s y’all but here in the US most want they money worth. Again I’m sure my old one well out last these new cheaply made ones
4Runner does offer ventilated seats in the Limited!
Also remote start is on the pro and Limited- hit the lock button 3 times hold on the 3rd (or in app)
He was saying air cooled seats are not an option on the TRD Pro trim.
@@JoeBoyHHI actually he says “The 4Runner doesn’t offer it” in regard to ventilated seats, he makes no mention of particular trims…
Several things he attributed to 4Runners in general are actually specific to the non-Limited models.
My 2012 4Runner has 205k miles on it now, and I still drive it daily. It made me smile every time Doug pointed out one of the crappy features, because all of those features still work like the vehicle is new. The simplicity is the whole point, and I'm yet to see any individual part on mine fail. Hell, the back window still goes down despite a construction worker smashing into my rear hatch. Window still works 😅
Most other "off-road" vehicles will break on the trail and require a tow out of there. IF you manage to break your 4Runner though, you can fix it right there and get your own self out.
The simplicity of the 4Runner is what makes it so amazing. I pay a premium for that these days..
Yea so does my 04 grand Cherokee. Everything still works also.
I get the simplicity I'm all for it. $70,000 for basic stuff. Nah. Give me something. Now if it was $40,000 I would have one already
@@toma.6942 cool dude. Those Jeeps were plagued with electrical problems, but by 2004 they’d worked out most of the bugs. Then they immediately redesigned it in 2005, and brought in new, better problems 💁🏼♂️
205k miles hunker down for the 11k timing belt job or be prepared to sell.
I feel like I lucked out buying my 2020 TRD Off Road Premium for $4k under sticker in May 2020 right before prices exploded. I could probably get more than I paid for it.
Everything the critics hate is everything that make them great.
@@alabama2uz Yeah, the upper crust of "professional" critics frequently end up in the minority. Auto experts, movie reviewers, wine snobs... you name it!
Most definitely
I also bought a 2020 Tacoma in may of 20. Prices are crazy now!
you absolutely could, and if you decide to sell it you will
As a 4runner owner, I just wanted to add that it does have some of the features that Doug says are missing. For example, cooled seats and parking sensors are options on the limited, also most models have remote start if you press the lock twice and hold it down a third time on the key fob, and it doesn't have a power tail gate but the rear windshield can be operated with the key fob by holding lock/unlock buttons. Also the v6 engine did technically come out in the early 2000s but it was overhauled in 2010 with dual VVT that adds about 40 hp.
Yeah, I was about to comment about the cooled seats when he said that. Doug should have said "on this trim level" rather than stating "on 4Runners"
you have 4 runner....lucky duck!
Yes, a lot of these criticisms were not totally researched.
The seats aren’t cooled, they’re ventilated.
@@xploration1437they're the same thing
I own this exact SUV. Agree it could use a few more gears. Exhaust gets old quick on long road trips. One correction is it does have remote start. Just doesn’t have a dedicated button on the remote for it.
Definitely not for everyone! It’s bulletproof, will take you almost anywhere and looks awesome
Nice review 👍
Three clicks on the lock button and hold. 😉
Can you start it with your cell phone so it's cool/warm when you get in? Also, if you run into the store is there a way to let the climate system run while you are away for a few minutes? Thanks.
@@paulelledge8977 yes you can use the app to start it. It will only run for 10 mins. App is free at first but then you have to pay for the app. Not sure how long it’s free cause I’ve had mine less then a year
I have the 21' pro- ended up swapping the exhaust for a stock exhaust. Definitely the right decision.
I like it!👍🏿 Seen 2017s in the mid 40s
Just bought a new 2023 4Runner, and after driving it 6k miles, it has no problems an 8-speed can't fix.
Much smoother and quieter than you would think, based on the reviews it gets. Drove it cross-country.
Car & Driver literally said out of 24 mid-sized SUVs, they ranked the 4Runner dead last!
(They ranked the Wrangler 11th, so....). And I'm getting 18-19 MPG. A GREAT truck, for under $50k.
Car and Driver ain't what it used to be. And don't get me started with Consumer Reports...
This has to be one of the best reviews Doug has done.... He literally just roast the vehicle for 25min then laughably explains that consumers are somehow in love with the 4runner.
Putting my money on it they will do a new design for 2024
Toyota just redesigned the Sequoia and the Tundra (least popular), up next will be the Tacoma and the 4runner (their more popular models).
Those things he's complaining about, that's why people are buying it. It's simple and rugged.
@@bwofficial1776 thank you someone made sense
and he said he would buy it in a heartbeat if the TRD Pro had a 3rd row
Redesigned, but internals will be the same, specially the engines. Uses the same V6 GR and V8 UR engines from 12-15 years ago.
I hope the 4runner won't be made in Mexico like the Tacoma is being bade in mexico.
The prices for these things are nuts but it just shows a LOT of people don’t want all the high tech crap that often is extremely to expensive to repair and replace. And the engine is extremely reliable.
I just bought about a week ago the 2023 4Runner TRD pro with the Solar Octane color and I just love it. Drives like my 2015 Tacoma that I traded in. I can see why folks love the 4Runner and now I do.
I think they drive way better and have way more room.
@@skoolynugenator1802 way better than what?
@@mohammeds5458 ur mom
I’ve owned 2 4Runners, 2002 Sport Ed. and 2015 SR5. My son is still driving the 02 and, unfortunately, the 15 was totaled. My 2 favorite cars I’ve ever owned (and I’ve had a lot of them). The Toyota engines in these are almost bulletproof and one of their best features is the old school engine, transmission, and build quality (there still made ONLY in Japan). I now have a ‘21 Tacoma and the thing I miss the most from the 4Runner is the engine and transmission.
I have that exact model and color, and I love it. It's simple, and it can go anywhere. And it does have remote start, you just have to know how to use the key fob. The tranny is throttled on purpose, using only 60 is percent. The pedal commander is a plug in throttle bypass that makes the engine way more responsive, highly recommend.
Not just the states. Even though it's officially still on sale, Toyota has cancelled all orders for the 79 Series LandCruiser in Australia.
Australia is one of the world's biggest LandCruiser markets.
People are paying $120,000 2nd hand for a 79 that you could have new for $85,000.
That's with 60,000km probably towing a 3 ton trailer and 2 years old.
that my friend is a 4runner, not a landcruiser
@@josiahbates8962 if you watched the video he talks about the 70 series
Holy shit! what about other models like the J300, Hilux, or the Prado?
@@isaac4273 j300 hilux and prado are still being manufactured, i think toyota just wants to be done with the 70 series just because of how old the platform is
@@isaac4273 the 300 series Wagon is barely available. Prado and Hilux are a big wait. As is the hybrid Rav4 (which is the shit hybrid with 1.6kWh "self charging" hybrid, not the plug-in).
I love this vehicle. I think it’s one of the best looking SUV’s. Especially in person. There is something nice about a car without all the gizmo’s and gadgets. I rather have a simpler vehicle (less things to break) and a have the vehicle be able last a long time… which this vehicle does. I’ll pay an extra few bucks so it’s not constantly in the shop and the engine runs for 250k plus miles reliably.
I agree 100%!!!!
Agree, I love mine in spite of the limitations
Agreed! I like the simple cars I don’t like all the fancy technology I always buy older cars so I can have a key start not a button start!
The nose is kinda lame with that fake bull bar look
@@jotterson1156 Looks great to me but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
In addition to the points Doug mentioned, I'd also point out that the off-road market in general seems resistant to change. Consider how long the original Ford Bronco, Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and Jeep CJ were around without substantial updates.
It's mainly bc the demographic that buys them are immune to object information and easily influenced by trends into buying outdated trash so they can personify fictional characters while cruising mall parking lots lol
but this isn't when those cars originally came out. and to not have these features for that price? ridiculous.
@@jamesreuss9704 Yeah if they aren't going to add any additional features or redesign it, it should definitely not be as expensive as it is. Unfortunately, people have proven that they're willing to pay such big dollars so the price will stay as high as it is.
Bless the CJ's heart. My first car, 1984 Renegade model. Not all cars have to have fancy computers, cruise control...... fuel injection ahhahha
By it’s nature you kinda want to make sure new technology works before you cram it into an off-roader
I think a lot of things are better integrated, utilized, and more reliable when they are analog. Not everything is better when made digital, and I feel like all manufacturers are having trouble finding the right balance. Some of those old school things haven't changed, because they didn't need to. A great example: Physical buttons for your AC, knobs for volume ect.
I just went from a 2014 Grand Cherokee SRT to a 2014 4runner. I HATED all the controls being on the touch screen, I love the big fat knobs on the 4runner, they won't fail.
I agree. I'm not a fan of a screen for the speedometer, tachometer, and the gauges for oil temp n fuel. For the infotainment, fine as long as it's not over 11"
I know I'm weird but dials over digital speedo/tach any day. Make the rest a screen but gimme my dials!
This thing is ancient, and I love newer tech in vehicles, but I wish all vehicles still had a mechanical shifter.
I don't need all the tech. That leads to more issues and more computerization. Leading to a less reliable vehicle.
And mechanical handbrake please. I just love the feel of it
Buy a manual transmission, boom, solved. :)
@@richardnavratil9661 well manuals have drawbacks too. Some people like cars that are in the middle and not super technical OR super primitive.
@@onfootbassin Of course they do. I was trying to be more facetious than serious. :)
My FJ is as basic as it gets and I love it! Being 6’4” the headroom is much better than the 4Runner. Both are just awesome cars!
I really want to get a brand new J76 or J78. They have the same engine as the 4runner (at 230HP, but you can boost it to 270hp), but with a 5 speed manual, which I think is much better
My FJ62 doesn't even have working AC, has wind up windows and bench seats
Oh really? I'm shorter than you but too tall for a lot of today's vehicles, and I was worried that it might be too small. Thanks for proving otherwise.
Awesome and reliable! Wife drives a 2014 FJ and loves the simplicity…even compared to my 2020 4Runner!
Lol agreed to the tee! Lovee 4runners but despite their actual dimensions, I love my fj because it’s even more dumbed down and simple (also feels roomier) than a 4runner.
I have a 4th gen, this being the 5th. Over a quarter of a million miles. Starts like a gem, no matter what. People are obsessed with this car. Doug coming in HOT with the commentary tho 😂
got a 08 Sport myself and with 350,000 miles it still runs n drives like a charm
2002 4Runner 270,000 still runs great
Gotta love the snore runners. Boring ass drivetrain and interior but they’re tanks. My 3rd Gen has almost 400k miles with not a single issue.
04' Limited owner. 240k miles. Never has left me stranded.
I have a 2004 SR5. It is currently at 430k. Original motor, original transmission. Drives like the day I bought it! I'll never get rid of it.
I have an '18 SR5 and I love it so much. It looks so beefy and masculine. I especially love that it is so minimalistic. I use it off road ALOT and and less is more in the wilds! I love that it works every crank and is more reliable than any other off road SUV!
Absolutely excellent point at 24:57 about car reviewers' mentality. Reviewers tend to be pretty interested in car technology and performance, which is understandable if you're really interested in car design. But there is a big disconnect with what the average consumer values. For most people, a car is a tool and the main concerns are reliability and functionality.
That's why the kia telluride is often at the top of those suv lists
Toyota was cool when their reliability outpaced the rest of the industry, but they have stalled and others have passed them up big time.
@@juddjonathan Lol. Everyone has been stating this since around 2008 and it all turns out to be a farce. In 2011, Hyundai and Kia were claimed to have reached Toyota-level reliability because they improved from what was absolute garbage to what seemed like high quality. As the saying goes, "The Emperor Has no Clothes" now that people can see beyond the "attractive" designs and see that the cars are just built cheap, with Engines that blow, catch on fire, and you have to pay a premium to get one with an immobilizer, something that Toyota and Honda made standard on EVERY car no matter how darn cheap it was back circa 2001.
That may be, but it's not logical to pay $75k for this SUV, regardless of reliability
@@jackc4806 yet, people do. The argument as to why is endless if you simply ignore the fact that people truly admire what these cars are, a tool that doesn’t break, will not stop in poor weather and looks cool doing so. Everything else falls to the wayside because that’s what most people do in cars, they drive it to places and plan on getting there every time. Take a step back and realize what a car is, then you will understand the mentality behind Toyota and the people who buy it.
I’m honestly not surprised it’s still extremely popular despite its age. It looks good, ride quality is fantastic, the tech you do get is purpose built and not gimmicky with some modern features sprinkled in and the powertrain came out before electricity so it’s time tested. It’s one of the last true old school SUVs without all the aids and electronic nanny’s. It will be timeless for years to come!
It’s a great family SUV that looks like you go off-roading. And I don’t mean that pejoratively. Everybody shits on mall crawlers, but I’d rather be caught dead than in an actual minivan. 4Runner is a way for you to cart your kids to soccer practice and look cool doing it
@@TonyCox1351 Even though the Toyota 4Runner isn't the most up to date vehicle I think it's a cool SUV if you're looking for a rugged truck this is it. With that being said, if you're looking for a modern yet luxurious interior then, you may want to look somewhere else as the 4runner is not the most modern SIV ever so don't expect it to be perfect. Plz reply.
“Timeless” is a sad excuse for incredibly unrefined and outdated.
It's a good buy. Can't stockpile electricity very easily...but you can stockpile gasoline (non ethanol) if anything goes wrong, an all electric society would grind to a halt and no one goes more than, what maybe 300 miles one way.
@@mattX5 Toyota makes 6 of the top 25 sold cars in America, 4 in the top 10. It might be outdated but people seem to love it, there's no incentive for them to change anything. If aint broke, dont fix it, as they say
It's nice to see Toyota produce a car that is iconic to them. In the past, these cars were industructible, while many brands produce luxury "off-road" cars, such as the Defender, Toyota is one of the brands that continues to know how to make cars like these, pure and tough.
At over $50k+ it's priced as a luxury off roader too
Toyota helix is better than anything on the road
@@breakingames7772 not sold in north amarica,
The Defender may not be as reliable, but beats the 4runner in almost every other category.
Definitely hold their value well, gx470 is my pick
I bought a 2021 TRD Off Road for the exact reasons you mentioned. It is old school, engine transmission and everything is tried and true, highly dependable, build for long term trouble free and no major problems. This is the car that Scotty Kilmer spoke so highly of and everything he said about the 4 runner is true. Toyota could sell this car unchanged for another 13 years and people will buy it.
My first car was a 98 4Runner, still the best car I owned after my current 17 Camry. I love the current Gens and took one on a trip across country with my family. One of the best cars ever built period. I hope Toyota doesn’t change it too much on the redesign.
I have a 98 SR5 I daily drive. Love it
@@Alex-rl4uy I also daily drive a ‘98 SR5 that just hit the 300,000 mile club this year. That’s why when it was time to get my wife a vehicle he chose to get a ‘21 4Runner Off-Road Premium.
I get more compliments on my 98 than I have received on all other vechiles I’ve owned combined
Looking at the Sequoia, it doesn't look good for the 4runner unless its on a whole different platform which I doubt.
@@RoyalDetailing661 I only have 196,500 on mine
@@RoyalDetailing661 I daily an '01 SR5, absolutely love it only about 209,000 on her too! I get compliments all the time about it, and it makes my day every time.
We have a 2018. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned. I can also fix/repair everything on it in my garage. Can’t say that for most modern vehicles. Super reliable and just great to drive.
These things are built like a Rolex Submariner, and like that watch the design changes are minimal, the internals are bombproof, and the value retained is incredible. Please Toyota, don’t overcomplicate the new generation and saddle us with a four cylinder turbo that will never have the same longevity on a heavy truck like this.
Would you pay $80k for the same truck today though?
For the record, it does have remote start. It’s not great, but it has it through the key. You can also start it with the app.
I grew up with a ‘98 4Runner as the family car. Several cars have occupied the other spot in the garage but I think my parents plan to keep maintaining and driving the 4Runner for as long as they can drive. I have no doubt that that truck will make it well beyond 500k miles.
Needless to say, it has had a big impact on what I like in a vehicle.
I still have my ''97 4Runner with the V-6. It has over 420k miles on and running well.
It's ancient and that's why people are buying it. It's simple, it's fun and it's easy to tinker with. No new car in its class can rival it
Wrangler still the same
Jeep Cherokee XJ 🤔
@@Moneyoverfunnnie wrangler is way more modernized than the 4Runner, especially the infotainment and drivetrain. They have a plug in hybrid 4xe, 392 v8 Hemi, and so many different drivetrains and engine choices, updated infotainment, optional led lights and drl’s, off road camera views, and a lot more modern features. Even though the wrangler looks largely the same, it’s definitly been updated way more than the 4runner but I love my 4runner and how simple it is. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
@@andyham6094 I feel you 100%
@@Moneyoverfunnnie it's a chrysler product. It will fall apart
This made me go hug my Xterra. 4.0 V6, 5 speed auto, bare bones features, paid $24k brand new in 2012. Zero issues with reliability. I totally get why people love these kinds of vehicles, it's completely not special on the spec sheet, but there's just something special about them. You can pry my Xterra from my cold, dead hands.
ive heard nissan trucks are solid but in my experience their cars are TRASH
@@bradhaines3142 I totally agree most Nissans are trash, but every manufacturer will have some exceptions. I think Nissan really shot themselves in the foot when they started putting CVTs in everything.
@@bradhaines3142 I have a 2000 Nissan Frontier I bought new. 220K miles and the only things I have had to fix aside from regular maintenance are replacing the alternator and the water pump.
@@Maidenrules29 alternator and water pump in 220k is pretty solid
I had a 2006 4runner and got it up to 200k miles and finally upgraded to a 5th gen! Gonna keep this thing forever
The thing that makes the 4Runner popular is it stays true to its roots. A body-on-frame, mid-sized truck-based SUV with 4x4, and it’s customization diversity. Something that other competitors don’t offer (well besides of course the Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco). Meanwhile the Explorer, Pathfinder, Passport, and Blazer all went soccer moms on us
Body on frame trucks are not good though. They rust and rot. Body movement is bad. Accident ratings are poor. They fold up in accidents. They ride rough and are bouncy. They also have a lot more sway and brake dive.
People love them for 4 wheeling cause they flex. You can add a body lift if needed. Most importantly, they are overhyped.
A unibody structure is best for daily driving. Way more rigid and won’t rot and rust. Accident safely is hugely improved. Handling is sharper as there’s no more body flex. It’s all one piece. They also hold up in accidents very well.
If you do not use them for daily 4 wheeling, they are not worth it. If only used for a daily driver, they are extremely overpriced. Fuel economy makes it even a worse buy.
@@ryanb8736 I know that. Still you obviously know most people prefer the 4Runner over a… crossover
As a Firefighter, IMO this is one of the safest vehicles I've ever come across. I've worked several wrecks that the 4runner fared MUCH better than the opposing vehicle. The worst of which was a 55mph offset head-on; Toyota had 5 passengers, including infant in rear-facing seat and all of them walked away without a scratch. The other driver got a helicopter ride.
what was the other car??
Do luxury vehicles from brands like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus etc. fare better in crashes compared to a non-luxury brand vehicle like a Toyota?
Body on frame, sits up high. Checks out.
@@fidelcatsro6948 2000's Chevy Blazer. Toyota A-pillar had 100% integrity, which is a key indicator of how f'd up someone might be. If the A-pillar is jacked up, 99/100 so are they.
I live in the country and don't see a lot of lux cars, so can't compare.
Whoever asked how many fatalities I see; really dude?
The deadliest stretch of I-57 runs through the middle of my district. Too many...
@@lightningjohnson7065 yesterday someone in a civic died he ran into a turning bus...front bonnet was flat..front seats were already folded up like a suitcase.. 😭
I went hiking last weekend and had to park my Subaru about a mile from the trailhead because the road got too rocky. From that point on, half of the cars that I saw were 4Runners, all with some sort of customization, and every single one of them looked good. People don't buy 4Runners for touchscreens and safety features - they buy them because they enjoy having their own unique adventure vehicle.
Its a fair point, but there is no way the vast majority of 4Runner buyers buy them because of this.
Most NEW 4Runner owners are moms, just like the F150 is the most sold vehicle in the US, its not tough rugged men buying them.
They were just told its reliable, the tech is primitive so they don't actually have to 'catch up' with it, they're old enough with enough driving EXP that they can actually manage a larger vehicle, its gigantic so it can haul children and whatever else they want on the occasion, and it makes them feel safer due to its size and visibility than your average Corolla or Camry.
Its not a coincidence that its basically the first large SUV Toyota sales besides the Highlander.
Its at the right place, right time.
Its basically the perfect mom SUV.
I know a girl that bought one last year. Then moved to Miami. She doesn't hike and has never been off-road. Some people buy them just so they aren't in a "basic" Jeep.
how is it unique if everyone buys them. I see a ton of them on he road
@@remyd8767 Read it again. Once you customize it it becomes unique.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia yeah but there's a huge market for 4Runner groups and a ton of customization options. Just saying that's still a big part of their sales
TRD Off Road is the trim to get. I paid $40,500 in early 2021. After upgrading several components I'd say my 4Runner is now cooler and more capable than the Pro. 🥰
That's a great deal. I got the 22 Off-Road for basically $10K more. Love the heck out of it though.
Didn’t want a sunroof or leather. Same goodies as the Pro for substantially less.
I think Doug hit the nail right on the head. Part of why I love my 2016 (first vehicle I ever bought brand new) was because it’s a familiar feel to what I was used to. Some of these newer vehicles are great and have cool gizmos, but I like not having to look at the temperature dial to change it, or the fan speed dial and such. I like just knowing where the buttons and knobs are without having to use a touch screen to change settings. Much like touch screen phones, you have to be pretty deliberate in your input with most modern vehicles, and bumpy roads can be infuriating with that. When you’ve got large buttons and knobs, bring on the bumps. You can still keep your eyes on the road and find what you need
Exactly. Buts it not about familiarity. It’s about function and simplicity. My nephew has a nice newer Silverado. The radio went out on it: the touchscreen type with all of the controls. Went to go to work and the truck wouldn’t start. Are you kidding me??? A broken radio rendered his truck inoperable. 2 weeks and $1200 later his truck would start again. But consumers gotta have a 42” wide screen in the vehicle to control everything. Just like a dial or push button for 4 wheel drive. What a joke. Go lock the hubs and pull the transfer case lever. If something does go bad it can be fixed relatively inexpensively. This new tech stuff is a joke.
OK, this incarnation of the 4runner sucks! I have a 2003 V8 4runner and a 2014 (only available in the V6.
1 Fuel tank cannot be locked in the 2014 (and in this reviewed TRD pro as well!
2 Rear windscreen cannot open with the key fob (available on the 2003
3 No single motion start on the 2014 (available on the 2003)
4 Smaller cup holders (on a larger car
5 There are mirrors on the internal aspect of the rear pillar that alows you to see round a corner when reversing...available on the 03 but not on the 14
6 the position of the light switch for the trunk on the 2014 is just silly but in the 03, perfect!
Ultimately, the car is well built, handles and drives well and is spacious and comfortable, however, the attention to design detail is lacking. It is as if they designed it from scratch and didn't pay attention to the subtle details that make the 03 model a masterpiece. Frankly, I would trade the 2014 for another 03, but my wife would have my skin!
You must not learn fast
That’s a great point. Never thought of it that way.
@@troyhodulik5542 Touchscreens aren't going to last. Even Elon Musk had questioned why a car owner would keep a Tesla out to several years old. He knows the touchscreen won't last.
I got so lucky getting my 2020 TRD Off Road Premium below sticker before the prices went bananas. I actually prefer the ORP because you can easily modify it to be much better than a TRD Pro for less than the Pro is off the lot. I also love my 4Runner and wouldn’t trade it for anything.
That is why the ORP is the best 4Runner in this current generation. KDSS does make a huge difference and modifying it your way for less money than the TRD Pro is so awesome haha.
Honestly if I have to overpay for a vehicle these days (and they're all overpriced) I'd rather spend my money on this thing. This truck just works. It's like the Voyager I and II spacecraft that were launched in the 1970's but are still going strong.
It's an SUV, why am I specifying this because the 4 runner is still somehow smaller then a Tacoma....
Plus 4runners hold their value extremely well!
That it is Doug.
What a name you got there
My wife and I have a 2021 TRD Off Road 4Runner and I love the fact that it doesn't have a lot of technology and that it's mostly "old school".
Rugged, highly customizable and insane reliability are the reason it could sell for another 10 years without changes
Exactly, and they're pretty easy to work on!
Exactly
for 15-20k over sticker, why not get the R1S? by all metrics is the better SUV by a mile...
@@DescartesRenegade unless you ordered an R1S a year or so ago you aren’t getting one anytime soon. The only thing it has in common with the 4runner is the rigged aspect at best. Nowhere near as customizable and reliability has yet to be seen since its a 1st gen of a brand new company
@@DescartesRenegade not all metrics, arguably not even the most desirable: proven reliability in the Toyota
Doug you make me like my 4runner way more every time you review it!!
I bought a new 4Runner SR5 in 2018. It worked quite well living in Montana where roads get nasty in the winter. Then I moved elsewhere with mild winters and bailed on it very quickly. It was nice tho, I liked it a lot. Plus I sold it for nearly the same price I bought it at since they hold value well. I'd buy another, but not at these inflated prices.
I bought a 2010 Jeep Commander limited in 2010. It has a 2" OME lift with 265/70's now. I recently started looking for a replacement after some jerk side swiped it. I was looking at a 4runner but can't justify any of it. 13 years newer than my commander and it has the same/ arguably less capability off-road less options and the v6 gets less mpg than a 5.7 hemi on the highway. Thank you for the video Doug I appreciate that your delivery doesn't have any bloat and they are worth paying attention to from start to finish.
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2:50 Quirks & Features
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You sir are a hero
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@@claudiobizama5603 THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS ... is the most important one.
DOUG HIT IT ON THE HEAD. This is exactly why I bought my 2020 4R! 35,000 miles so far and just oil changes. I had a 2008 E61 BMW that I spec ordered brand new w manual - at 35,000 mile I already had turbo rattles (known issue) and a small stack of dealer repairs. This is why i wanted less crap features,,,, old school rules!
“Old school rules” is just another way of saying “I’m stuck in the past”
People need to learn to accept change. Embrace new ideas and new things. I never understood the ideology of waiting until something new turns old just to appreciate it.
A year ago I bought a used 2014 4WD T4R SR5. I spent about $2k extra to change shocks, coils, and upper control arms. That added about 2 extra inches of lift. I took it offroad on some medium-level trails in Virginia. The truck went through it flawlessly. Not one single issue. I still don't understand why ppl would spend that much money on the TRD PRO. It won't do anything that an SR5 won't. And you can get these with low miles for less than half of the value of a brand new.
Have you been in a PRO? I just traded in my SR5 on a PRO. Big difference in handling and overall quality. To each their own...
I would never buy one of these used if it was off-roading. Seen so many of them beat up after being 5 years old.
@@PureHavok777 The difference that you mention is the suspension. Upgrade the suspension on a SR5 and there's no difference. The only one that has a tad better handling on road is the Off Road version, cause the SPSS (very similar to the GX460.)
@@ryanb8736 me neither lol. But there's plenty of used 4runner in the market and easy to spot the good ones.
I ordered a 2022 manual Tacoma for the simple fact that there is basically no gadgets and gizmo's in the thing and I know it's going to outlive me. I loved it's simplicity
I'd still take a Tacoma over this, the interior looks a lot cleaner. This one is so limited in usability. The fact with a Tacoma you have a bed, you can customize that storage portion to however you want and is way more flexible. I believe the backseats on a Tacoma are tighter though, that's my only complaint if hauling people is important. Also Tacoma does not look as dated as this on the inside. To pay the same price for this atrocious interior is crazy. For work or play, the stuff you can do with a Tacoma is insane.
Thanks Doug for the best review of the 4Runner. I'm an owner of a 2007 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 2WD 125K miles. The most low tech vehicle and looks and runs like new. Why can't other builders learn the "Kaizan Theory" from Toyota!
Many thanks Doug.
I’m on my second 4Runner. The limited has work well for me.
Never breakdown, no recall list, 400k miles and motor runs better than a new bronco.
Nobody buy this car for tech. Is built for those who doesn’t have time to be at a mechanic shop & for those who enjoy off road with out worrying is going to break down.
And when something does break it's easy to fix. Love these trucks!
Lol @ runs better than a new bronco. Sorry, I test drove this ancient dinosaur and it in no way runs better than the bronco. This thing was so slow I could barely merge onto the highway. 0-60 seemed like it was 10 seconds. It was also insanely loud for being so slow and having a weaker engine than a bronco. The interior was so cheap I couldn’t help but chuckle knowing Toyota must have like a 10,000% markup on these.
@@slavikpetrakov7822 you are taking the words out of context. He said "_motor_ runs better than a new bronco". That claim is easy to verify: over the past 20 years 1GR-FE had less recalls than 2.3 and 2.7 EcoBoosts in the past 5 years.
I’ve loved both of mine and the first one did great in a wreck on the interstate.
@@slavikpetrakov7822
I had a 19 pro and loved the interior. The fake leather was super durable and easy to clean. I also miss not having to go into the display to change the temperature etc.
As much as I wish it had more tech, this is probably one of the best vehicles for camping or going off the grid into the wilderness. Jeep, G-wagon, Land Rover, etc. may be cooler, but nothing beats this ancient 4Runner in reliability. The last thing you want is for your vehicle to break down in the middle of nowhere. And this is quite "affordable" compared to those.
BUT for the average buyers who only take these SUVs to their local Whole Foods, there are certainly better vehicles lol
New tech sucks for the most part, I don’t need a car to tell me to keep my eyes on the road, fight me in steering, brake when it thinks I should, slam brakes in when I’m backing up my trailer because it thinks I’m going to hit something or shut off every damn time I stop my car.
When this is running smooth 20 years from now…and that’s long after most current 70k EVs battery life has expired and the most up to date tech will be long outdated …I think that’s the point .
@@AA-mk4pu new tech doesn't just mean more nannies. That 5 speed trans has to go it's laughable
Well. I used to have a 2012 Jetta. All I do with it is grocery runs. But after I bought my 22 trd sports. I go places…. And live in Colorado. There are many places to go.
@@ayebing nicely said.
Funny thing about the price… if it’s bullet proof and I know that things going to be running strong for 2 decades.. then it’s really not that bad.
I just picked up a new one yesterday. I paid MSRP. I think there is a lot of hype over dealers placing extreme premiums on these, which is not the norm.
It will ultimately save you money.
Love my 2015 4runner SR5 Premium. Even at the base trim level it's a very capable car. 125K trouble free miles - looking forward to doubling it
Uninteresting.
@@CNSRVTSM wtf is your point in this comment
Npc model
We got to borrow a low mileage, 2020 White 4Runner last weekend. To be honest, the ride was really rough. Could feel every single tiny pot hole & bump. The interior feels outdated & spartan. I know it's not technically a luxury SUV, but expected more for $65k. Ended up parking next to a 2014-2015 4Runner & honestly I think the older models look better and likely ride better too. I think 2014/15 was the sweet spot in terms of features/looks!
@@samharris4680 perhaps. But as Doug says, the lack of features and ride quality that you dislike is actually what attracts many buyers, myself included. I want 250k+ reliability with rugged good looks, which is has in droves.
Here’s why they still sell. Bomb proof engine, trans, driveline. Unstoppable reliability. When you are 250 miles out in the middle of no where Toyota 4Runners and Landcrusiers are great peace of mind!
And MPG is about the same off-road for just about everything.
That Toyota 4.0L six banger is BULLETPROOF. Same engine in my 2019 4Runner and my 2010 Tacoma. F the haters.
My 04 SR5 runner has 430k on the original Engine and transmission. Yeah it's gutless but it will never die.
I don't get why Toyota didn't offer the TRD Pro with the 4.6 V8 and 6 speed like the Lexus GX. It's an amazing drive train and will last the apocalypse.
one quirk i’m surprised doug hasn’t mentioned is how loud that 4.0L is on start up. things sound like a whole ass jet
All the 4.0’s do. I love it. 😂
@lazynow1 homie are you ok?
Replace that dinky foam air injection pump filter with a reputable slip-on air filter and the whistle is even more pronounced. Sounds kinda cool.
Yep
I have a 2011 SR5 4Runner, and its amazing how much commonality there is with a brand new TRD Pro that just rolled off the assembly line!
If it ain't broke... don't fix it.
@@jeffupton2008 absolutely. Doug nailed it when he says that the draw of the 4Runner is the simplicity. Certainly the reason I bought mine!
The 4 Runner is my dream truck since I was in high school back in 2000. Fast forward, a 4 Runner is in my garage and love it. I don’t care about how old the tech is or how bad the gas mileage it has. Its a fun versatile well built and equipped vehicle and hope Toyota does not do too much with the upcoming 2023 or 2024 model to compromise what the 4Runner has become today.
Just bought a 2023 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium because........... it will never let me down. 5 years of payments plus another 20+ of enjoyment.
My 2016 TRD pro is bulletproof. 93k miles and going strong. See y'all at 300k
We’ve got over 100k on our ‘16 TRD and it has only had an oil gasket seal break. Minor problem and otherwise great car
Great job by Toyota, perfectly engineered over the years.
Awesome design too.
Love my '22 ORP with KDSS! It really gets the roll under control and handles exceptionally for how big it is.
i agree to that, love my 2016 trail with KDSS and enjoy decking it out for overlanding, would'nt want enything else.
As much as I love technology and do to and extent desire them in my car, one of the reasons I love the 4runner and the lexus GX is simple feature don't break as much as complex features. The cars just work, and when they break you're not paying 1000s to replace something stupid. I compare it to say the BMW x5. Great engines and features, but the drive and electronics break all the darn time
I loved this one!
I would never pay 70K for that BUT I love the truck. I loved the part where you explain why people still by it. I agree, it has what you need, nothing you don't and every components has been tested for 13yrs in the field and everything works.
As a product designer on contract out to various automotive companies over my 20 years I thought Toyota's methods were interesting. If they have a part they like on a vehicle going out of production or being revamped and it has been proven to be quality they copy it as much as possible as they design the new version so all details carry through as much as the style allows. It is a little painful to deal with, almost feels closed minded, but in the end parts on the new vehicle don't fail.
I think making only subtle changes to the body of the 4runner has appeal to used buyers and helped inflate this market. You can find a cherry 2011 and it looks like a 2017 from the curb. Also at 2-300k miles, the 4runners missing features ie: non-powergate rear and manual shifting linkage etc.. become features instead of failure points.
Love my 4th gen. I love its lack of "features". I like knobs and physical controls and not having to control things through a screen. I like that there aren't a bunch of "features" that are just going to fail in a few years. Very low-tech and it just works. Eventually mine will die, likely decades from now, and when that happens I hope the 4Runners at that time are still "ancient" compared to competitors. Except that roof "basket" -- Toyota's roof racks are the one point I can't get behind and I replaced mine right after I got it. I can't imagine owning anything else other than a 4Runner at this point, this thing is just great for me personally.
The knobs are a great point that I can't comprehend why people would go for anything newer. The 4th gen, once you've had a little bit of time in it, is a vehicle where you can feel the controls and know exactly what your pressing without looking down to check, as long as you aren't fooling around with the infotainment. It's not a major point, but I do think it comes at the benefit of driver awareness.
@@ashleyhamman The lights behind all of my hvac controls has been burned out for probably a couple years at this point. I know I can replace it with one or maybe two screws behind the pop-out storage -- but because they're physical knobs and I know exactly where they are and what they do, I haven't had a need to replace the lights. I don't even look at them so whether they're illuminated or not doesn't matter. When I drive someone else's car with an infotainment system I find myself annoyed more than anything. My buddy's tesla -- wow, the "eyes off the road" attention that goes into the simplest things is mind boggling. I'm totally good with physical knobs and as little tech as possible. It's one of the only parts of my life that isn't heavy on tech and I appreciate that.
Agreed! I like the interior of the 4th gen better than the 5th, I feel like the AC controls, cup holders, etc. up front are perfectly designed and placed.
250,000 miles on our 4Runner. It has no leaks and needs nothing. It has never broken down and is capable on and offroad. There aren't really a lot of vehicles, maybe none, that are like the 4Runner in how affordable its ownership is in combination with its legendary reliability. People know that and that is why it is in demand. It can do anything and the chances of it leaving you stranded are slim to none.
I have a 2017 trd pro that I bought new with 12 miles on it. It now has over 140k and other than routine maintenance and 2 door lock actuators I’ve had no issues. The 4runner is a perfect vehicle.
Own a 2012 Limited, best vehicle I've ever owned in terms of reliability and maintenance.
Every single thing Doug points out is a positive selling point for me. All that other stuff in ‘modern’ cars is just stuff few buyers need, can actually afford, and many people can’t even figure out how to use. But a reliable and durable drive train? Yes please.
I enjoy your reviews, I enjoy your humor. We bought my wife this vehicle - TRD Pro in the Lime Rush. We purchased it new on Feb 28, 2022. You are right, most dealers wanted 10-15K over sticker! We ended up buying hers at Capital Toyota for sticker. Honestly, once she had decided on this vehicle and I would have paid the markup if needed.
We are now empty nesters and this is the first vehicle - in the past 25 years - that will be a vehicle that is HERS ,and and not the kid mobile. We own a horse farm and while we have other vehicles, this is one she can comfortably drive on the road, around our property, off road...anyplace she wants. We have had many vehicles with far more creature comforts over the years; in fact, most of them did. My wife could have basically had any vehicle she wanted (under 125K) and she LOVES this vehicle. It just simply goes where she points it, and the 4WD capability is terrific for a bone stock vehicle.
You did not really score on reliability. However with the exception of Range Rover, most of the vehicles she considered are reliable for the first 50K miles. I daily drive a Tacoma (4X4 TRD OR). I bought it new in Jan of 2019. I now have 210K trouble free (other than routine/recommended) miles on this truck - many of those miles in 4WD. My son has a 2002 Tacoma (4X4 TRD OR) - my best friend purchased it new and sold it to my son about 3 years ago. He now has around 300K trouble free (other than routine/recommended maintenance) miles on this Tacoma. While reliability of the 4 Runner is probably not a huge issue - as many folks will never keep a vehicle long enough to need a vehicle that will go 'forever' - I think the peace of mind plays a major factor in the desirability.
We currently also have 3 GMC Trucks/SUVs too, along with the mentioned Toyotas. While GMC certainly has FAR more creature comforts than do the Toyota ones do, the Toyota SUV/trucks just hold up better for our lifestyle. The 4 Runner can't compete on paper - that is for sure....but on the road and off the road...it is a WINNER.
I think this car goes to show that modern cars don't need annoying modern features like phone chargers, stupid electronic gear selectors, or a massive MULTI MEDIA SCREEN to be good. The old school-ness is one of the biggest selling points for me.
Seriously? Phone chargers are annoying?
Yeah I need a car like the flinstones one with no floor and I can run really fast to make it go
I agree, I hate all the new infotainment systems, etc. I like regular a/c and radio dials and buttons
@@brettbanta2100 You're in the minority.
@@top10cars2 I know, still think All that stuff is just more stuff to break though....
I loved my original 2015 Inferno 4Runner TRD PRO but finally had to let it go at 97K miles. Still got $34K back for it. :)
I picked up a new 2023 4Runner TRD PRO yesterday at MSRP. I traded in my 2018 standard SR5 with 76,000 miles on it and get almost what I paid for it new. It's crazy, but I ain't complainin'!
What'd you do with that money Brian
@@HyperbolicMind Picked up my Rivian R1S the very same day!
I have a 2010 Limited and I love it to death! I've built it out for offroading and camping and it's served me well on a couple of overlanding trips with some pretty gnarly offroading, as well as hauling all sorts of gear and toys for weekend adventures:). I laughed through a lot of the interior features (or lack thereof) because it just doesn't matter. If anything, you're right about simple being a good thing. I have never cared for a power trailgate, I usually find them annoying... The roll down window is hugely awesome for air flow though! All this being said, if I wanted to buy NEW, I would probably wait for the 6th gen 🤷♂️
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I totally agree. They're great trucks but by now just too outdated (same with the Tacoma) it's probably wiser to wait the 2 years for the new generation to come out
This comment says a lot about Toyota.
You bought the first model year of the current generation 4Runner, and it is still on the road. Go look for 2007 Wranglers, they are no longer in existence.
I bought the 23 TRD Off Road and I love it so far. Has everything I need, and provides me with all of the storage space I could ask for. Hopefully it’s the last new car I buy.
All your negatives are EXACTLY why people want this vehicle. No computers, no electronics, none of those expensive and hard to diagnose things to repair/replace.
This TRD Pro actually has remote start. Through fob or through app. This is old school reliability. Simplicity at its best.
One other great thing about the hatch is that they hide the wiper in the back spoiler. Such a clean look.
I love my 2016 TRDPro 4R. You are correct. Less is more. It's one of the reasons we love them. Purpose built and crazy capable, along with reliability. Fuel economy is poor but it's a japanese lunchbox. Small price to pay for a body on frame SUV.
These are very capable off-roaders. I rented one a few weeks back when I was down in TX, and took it on the beach out at Bolivar Flats. The sand was a little damp and with the 4WD, I was able to traverse it with ease. The turn radius isn't the best, but I will say that they run like a charm!!
Love taking our 4R to Boliver. Have quite the sticker collection!
You drove it on a beach? Bro!! Did you have to put in Low?
@@charlieperkinson6857 Yes sir!! I initially put it on 4 Hi, then eventually shifted it into 4 Lo. After that, it was crawling like a crab on the sand!!
@@kirbymccasland Have you attempted the fabled trip from High Island to Sea Rim Park on the beach? Very risky trip, but very rewarding if done properly!!
When I bought mine I just saw it in the lot and liked the look. After test driving it I realized that’s it’s comfortable and nimble fur a large suv. XReas suspension is very good. Love the ride height, squares, visibility and the huge trunk. This vehicle is a bargain if you want large boxy, tall truck based suv that’s super reliable.
The biggest quirk you forgot to mentions is that Toyota still puts the old two button digital clock in these modern vehicles. I remember that same clock in my 87 carolla hatchback. Kinda nostalgic but also cheap.
Funniest part is that clock is extremely precise too lol... Keeps time as well as my Luminox.
Lucky you. My clock runs fast.
easy to change when daylight savings time comes
Simple solution for the price problems are to buy a lower trim. They’re basically the same and the cost makes a lot more sense for what you’re getting.
He also missed the coolest part about of the back seat which is that they recline! Maybe this is common in other cars but it blew my mind
rear seats in my highlander recline
Toyota loves doing this. My 2008 Avalon has reclining back seats. Not a ton, but for a sedan it’s enough that if I ever have people sitting back there, I try to put them all the way up first JUST so I can say “pull that lever on your side” and watch their faces as the seats slide back lol.
There are some features that are only available on the TRD-Pro, but most can be found on the Offroad Premium trim level. That said.. most people will NEVER need those features (on either), and they'd be best served just getting the base model. But those special colors...!!!!
Absolute best feature on any 4Runner though? Rolling down the rear window.
@@MasonH24 I can’t think of a feature that is available on the pro but not on the off road other than the lift kit. But most people ditch the stock suspension anyway so it’s moot. I agree those colors are awesome tho!
That’s what I did Sr5 with 4x4, when I save up some $ then will mod it.
I have a 4runner. Thought about selling it for something newer with more gimmicks. But Doug has made me love my 4runner again and confirms why I bought it in the first place. Thank you
Essentially traded mine for a 21 taco. Needed the bed, but I miss my 4runner everyday. Immediate power, zero reliability issues and nothing will ever beat the back window. You made a great choice
I got a hyundai palisade made in Korea and it has more hp than this so quicker and of course being a present day hyundai a lot of features that this is missing. But the 4 runner has legendary reliability and being body on frame it is a steal. Regardless if you pay more it’ll last forever made in Japan.
@@poodymeiner3125honestly man the 4Runner is still a Taco with extra doors and seats 🔥 so your Taco is pretty much as awesome
I think it's time more auto makers start listening and understand not everyone wants a tiny little turbo charged engine in a throw away piece of junk, car truck or SUV. I've loved 4Runners for years and years, and finally had the good fortune to be able to purchase a 2022 in January. I bought it specifically because it hasn't changed, and is just solid reliable tough transportation. It is vault quiet, built like a Sherman tank, rides great, and requires very little maintenance fuss. One of the last few soliders left that is true to its roots. When you drive it, it feels like you are driving something substantial.
I was tempted to order a new Bronco, it looks terrific and is very capable, but the hardtop noise and engine failures turned me off. So I ordered a new TRD Pro.
Smart move!
A coworker of mine just traded her 2019 4Runner for a 2022 Ford Bronco (not the Sport) and she won't go back (to the 4Runner). The Bronco is too nice.
Thanks for the review Doug! The simplicity is why we love the 4runner
I love my 2012 4Runner and have the best quirk. It comes with a “party mode” button to the lower left below the steering wheel. Unfortunately there isn’t a disco ball drop or anything but it does enhance the sound a little. I believe it was meant to enhance sound when the lift gate was open.