This is pure nonsense. It’s very clear in the reo version. The preamble and the First and main overarching article cedes government “over their lands”. They in return get property rights by law and rights of other British subjects, creating one people under the crown. Maori organising Maori tribal issues, not as the government. As it were, councils. There can’t be two governments over “their land”. The treaty reo version, says “ Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government” “Yet yo come.” Mairi knew that this was just the beginning of arrivals. Maori society was stratified with elite, commoners and slaves. They knew what government was. The elite was the government. Read the account of the chief who told others not to sign. He points out it will be signing into serfdom. Read the words… sovrihnty was ceded. Government was granted. “ considers it just to appoint an administrator3 one who will negotiate with the people of New Zealand to the end that their chiefs will agree to the Queen's Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government so that no evil will come to Māori and European living in a state of lawlessness. So the Queen has appointed 'me, William Hobson a Captain' in the Royal Navy to be Governor for all parts of New Zealand (both those) shortly to be received by the Queen and (those) to be received hereafter and presents5 to the chiefs of the Confederation chiefs of the subtribes of New Zealand and other chiefs these laws set out here. The first The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government6 over their land.”. “… complete government6 over their land.”. It’s not ambiguous.
I think its time we just accept that NZ is a multi cultural place. It should be governed with equal rights for all. In no way should the government be funding anything maori. Maori are there own entity and should be self funding like any other corporation. I'm tired of the conversation and no longer care. So long as I do give one cent to a maori entity I'm happy. Its time to cut maori free and move on. the maori I know well could careless about all this crap.
so, on this note, asides Manuka making some fantastic points and parting some truths and the realities of our colonized days ( still happening ) ...we all need to start meeting at port waikato in APRIL every year.... waitangi grounds in feb is a circus waste of time and for show ponies and tv1.
@ 0:12 - 1:50, interesting, the TOW was a continuation of strenthening ties between maori and the Crown which started in the 1820 with the letter, the flag, the doi, and the Treaty.
following the spider to the fly thinking they agreed to waitangi then dishonoured the same which led to our founding docuement as a dominion and under which we function today
1000s of opinions too many cooks have spoilt the broth just understand Maori were baptised unto Tikanga Christianity Covenanted with God and surrendered Authority to the Monarchy the Mana at the Treaty thats it,😢 confirmed in Kohimarama Conference records its clear. To imagine you know any other take than the Chiefs is outrageous!
He says the Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 40,000. This is incorrect. The Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 80,000 after the musket wars killed 20,000, with another 30,000 wounded. How many of the wounded survived longer than a few years? Half the Māori population was either killed wounded by Other Māori. But he does not even mention this. Why? He’s telling stories? Making up narratives?
@@DanielMartin-r2b Im not saying that the population didnt drop further after the musket wars. Just that the Musket wars had a big impact. on the population decline. Yes new by diseases etc unfortunately.
It absolutely does. It's issued in the language of the native ppl, and it's a constitutional document. It was recognized by the British. It's the first lawful constitution in the land, and it pre-empts the Tiiriti. When Maaori choose to assert it again, they have the power to come away from the paakeehaa government because both in the Maaori version of the treaty and this document, we are recognized as sovereign ppl.
always one of you fgn space cadets in the comments, like they picked four words out of a nz brochure and try to make fantastics statements which are actually just incoherent ramblings which they deem is representitive of what I a native NZ Maori would claim. see these shills all over youtube.
The phrase unfortunately you use would only be useful for one tribe because there was seven different dialects of New Zealand the tribes would not understand it
You seem to have forgotten the musket wars Murray were not unified in any shape or form they were divided through the law which was revenge and Pillage is the only law 95% of land was bought by the colonists from Māori because without colonisation you would not be sitting in the chair you’re now wearing the clothes you wear now in the house that you live now on the street that you live now the car that you drive now
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
This is textbook white supremacism. How humorous! Not only is this debunked by far smarter ppl than you, and some of them paakeehaa, but also it's absolute eurocentric rubbish. Have fun eating yourself alive with your bitterness and hate, mate.
Try this one whanau…..Digging your dead up loved ones up n taunting the Hapu/iwi with it towing it around on a hoiho. Ne? Tuff eooww. You know what was coming next, aye?
Tautoko, we were the New Zealanders, settlers were just that, new settlers. When the settlers understood that, they realised that Iwi were the sovereign peoples so they set about creating a caste system whereby settlers became "known" as the sovereign people and Iwi were deminished to "Natives" and then to this thing called "Maori". And the rest is our country's ugly history.
Hmm, whats not said in here is, King William the conqueror around 1086 gave sovereignty to New Zealand after realising no one had conquered this part of the world at the time he conquered England, The He Wahaputanga flag came about when Maori, were trying to trade without a flag, So King William the IV and James Busby who oversee the Declaration of Independence in 1835, along with 25 chiefs signed that flag in the North Island, giving it a 21 gun solute with the King ship there the Rattle snake, So why did maori leaders move us away from that flag and lose our sovereignty??
We haven't lost our sovereignty. It's there for us to assert, but it takes courage to stand against our colonizers. Economically, we hapuu need to pool our resources and come out of the paakeehaa systems, which are failing even their own ppl now. The Maaori nation has awoken now that treaty is under threat, and ppl are learning much more about He Whakaputanga.
@@TheNesianscribe who are the colonizers you need to stand against? 5th or more generation white folk like myself who just happened to have been born here? What grievance do you have with the current population of New Zealanders that needs to be "stood against"? Yeah. It doesn't sound reasonable or logical yet but I'm sure you can make it both of those things...
@@iliketurtles4463 Listen: if you've lived your life on our lands, why are you still ignorant of who colonizers are? There's literally hundreds, if not thousands of books and documentaries about the British and the damage they've done around the world. Your fragile emotions are not my responsibility, nor is your education. Stop requiring natives to give up their lands and sovereignty to you as well as assuage your anger at our lack of gratitude plus educate you. It's too much. Go away and learn before engaging w us on SM. Good luck.
@@iliketurtles4463 Go back to sleep. This korero doesn't involve you but it sure seems to be about you if you get triggered by the fact we have an obviously racist govt who are gunning for Māori. Have you been in the wharepaku while the marches of thousands have happened all over the country? Meh, waste my time to reply to you.
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Rest in peace Matua me nga Aroha wairua, Haere ,Haere ,Haere atu Ra. (Hawaiiki)
No man gives up his lands or his rights to a stranger end of story
A great man with whom I had the privilege to work with.
Informative and inspiring, thank you matua
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
This is pure nonsense. It’s very clear in the reo version. The preamble and the First and main overarching article cedes government “over their lands”. They in return get property rights by law and rights of other British subjects, creating one people under the crown.
Maori organising Maori tribal issues, not as the government. As it were, councils. There can’t be two governments over “their land”.
The treaty reo version, says “ Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government”
“Yet yo come.” Mairi knew that this was just the beginning of arrivals.
Maori society was stratified with elite, commoners and slaves. They knew what government was. The elite was the government.
Read the account of the chief who told others not to sign. He points out it will be signing into serfdom.
Read the words… sovrihnty was ceded. Government was granted.
“ considers it just to appoint an administrator3 one who will negotiate with the people of New Zealand to the end that their chiefs will agree to the Queen's Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government so that no evil will come to Māori and European living in a state of lawlessness. So the Queen has appointed 'me, William Hobson a Captain' in the Royal Navy to be Governor for all parts of New Zealand (both those) shortly to be received by the Queen and (those) to be received hereafter and presents5 to the chiefs of the Confederation chiefs of the subtribes of New Zealand and other chiefs these laws set out here.
The first
The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government6 over their land.”.
“… complete government6 over their land.”.
It’s not ambiguous.
No one dares argue with you because they know you speak the truth. Thank you for taking the time to post your comment.
i believe you fulla shit...
Thank you, for your korero matua😊
clear, factual, honest
I love this korero
Monica Eastick
I think its time we just accept that NZ is a multi cultural place. It should be governed with equal rights for all. In no way should the government be funding anything maori. Maori are there own entity and should be self funding like any other corporation. I'm tired of the conversation and no longer care. So long as I do give one cent to a maori entity I'm happy. Its time to cut maori free and move on. the maori I know well could careless about all this crap.
Great interview, thank you.
Thank you Matua
so, on this note, asides Manuka making some fantastic points and parting some truths and the realities of our colonized days ( still happening ) ...we all need to start meeting at port waikato in APRIL every year.... waitangi grounds in feb is a circus waste of time and for show ponies and tv1.
@ 0:12 - 1:50, interesting, the TOW was a continuation of strenthening ties between maori and the Crown which started in the 1820 with the letter, the flag, the doi, and the Treaty.
following the spider to the fly thinking they agreed to waitangi then dishonoured the same
which led to our founding docuement as a dominion and under which we function today
1000s of opinions too many cooks have spoilt the broth just understand Maori were baptised unto Tikanga Christianity Covenanted with God and surrendered Authority to the Monarchy the Mana at the Treaty thats it,😢 confirmed in Kohimarama Conference records its clear. To imagine you know any other take than the Chiefs is outrageous!
Great explanation Sir !!!
TRUTH and JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL 😛😛😛
He says the Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 40,000. This is incorrect. The Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 80,000 after the musket wars killed 20,000, with another 30,000 wounded. How many of the wounded survived longer than a few years? Half the Māori population was either killed wounded by Other Māori. But he does not even mention this. Why? He’s telling stories? Making up narratives?
Maybe you haven't taken into account new diseases among Maori?
@@DanielMartin-r2b Im not saying that the population didnt drop further after the musket wars. Just that the Musket wars had a big impact. on the population decline. Yes new by diseases etc unfortunately.
this 1835 thing has NO legal standing what so ever,
It absolutely does. It's issued in the language of the native ppl, and it's a constitutional document. It was recognized by the British. It's the first lawful constitution in the land, and it pre-empts the Tiiriti. When Maaori choose to assert it again, they have the power to come away from the paakeehaa government because both in the Maaori version of the treaty and this document, we are recognized as sovereign ppl.
Must be a tough pill to swallow huh berniefynn6623
thinking it is going to be a tough pill for many @@dreddator
I read the book crie the wounded land powerful rip matua
My Iwi watched the refugee boat peoples' arrive from Raiatea and England. They left us out of their treaty.
always one of you fgn space cadets in the comments, like they picked four words out of a nz brochure and try to make fantastics statements which are actually just incoherent ramblings which they deem is representitive of what I a native NZ Maori would claim. see these shills all over youtube.
❤
The phrase unfortunately you use would only be useful for one tribe because there was seven different dialects of New Zealand the tribes would not understand it
Hes wrong about the "new zealanders" part
You seem to have forgotten the musket wars Murray were not unified in any shape or form they were divided through the law which was revenge and Pillage is the only law 95% of land was bought by the colonists from Māori because without colonisation you would not be sitting in the chair you’re now wearing the clothes you wear now in the house that you live now on the street that you live now the car that you drive now
So what was 1834... He say nothing.. Let alone.. 1823...
Hi my baby's luv dad an mum.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
WTAF are you rambling about???
@@DaParty3473 what?
This is textbook white supremacism. How humorous! Not only is this debunked by far smarter ppl than you, and some of them paakeehaa, but also it's absolute eurocentric rubbish. Have fun eating yourself alive with your bitterness and hate, mate.
What a load of 💩. I don’t know whose resource you’ve twisted but your opinion is very ignorant and stupid. Please stop!!
Mate you weren't around back then. I don't think it was as you say
Try this one whanau…..Digging your dead up loved ones up n taunting the Hapu/iwi with it towing it around on a hoiho. Ne? Tuff eooww. You know what was coming next, aye?
Ngā mihi mō ōu pūkenga matua
Tautoko, we were the New Zealanders, settlers were just that, new settlers. When the settlers understood that, they realised that Iwi were the sovereign peoples so they set about creating a caste system whereby settlers became "known" as the sovereign people and Iwi were deminished to "Natives" and then to this thing called "Maori". And the rest is our country's ugly history.
that still happens.. kiwi is a bloodline now. some folks going crazy for that title upon arrival
Tena rawa koe e kara,tukua nga korero kia rere, hei painga mo ngai tatou e noho ana ki Niu Tireni.#maoriwhenua
Colonisation ended when???
1959 Hawaii
Imagine Ngapuhi still cooking you all in Hangi pits? Tuff.
Maori we’re the land of Te Utu n Blood feuds before the Pakeha n Tau iwi turned up on thurr ships with Germy Ratts. Ha
Hmm, whats not said in here is, King William the conqueror around 1086 gave sovereignty to New Zealand after realising no one had conquered this part of the world at the time he conquered England, The He Wahaputanga flag came about when Maori, were trying to trade without a flag, So King William the IV and James Busby who oversee the Declaration of Independence in 1835, along with 25 chiefs signed that flag in the North Island, giving it a 21 gun solute with the King ship there the Rattle snake, So why did maori leaders move us away from that flag and lose our sovereignty??
We haven't lost our sovereignty. It's there for us to assert, but it takes courage to stand against our colonizers. Economically, we hapuu need to pool our resources and come out of the paakeehaa systems, which are failing even their own ppl now. The Maaori nation has awoken now that treaty is under threat, and ppl are learning much more about He Whakaputanga.
@@TheNesianscribe who are the colonizers you need to stand against? 5th or more generation white folk like myself who just happened to have been born here?
What grievance do you have with the current population of New Zealanders that needs to be "stood against"?
Yeah. It doesn't sound reasonable or logical yet but I'm sure you can make it both of those things...
@@iliketurtles4463 Listen: if you've lived your life on our lands, why are you still ignorant of who colonizers are? There's literally hundreds, if not thousands of books and documentaries about the British and the damage they've done around the world. Your fragile emotions are not my responsibility, nor is your education. Stop requiring natives to give up their lands and sovereignty to you as well as assuage your anger at our lack of gratitude plus educate you. It's too much. Go away and learn before engaging w us on SM. Good luck.
@@iliketurtles4463 Go back to sleep. This korero doesn't involve you but it sure seems to be about you if you get triggered by the fact we have an obviously racist govt who are gunning for Māori. Have you been in the wharepaku while the marches of thousands have happened all over the country? Meh, waste my time to reply to you.