Basic Dolby Atmos Home Install & Review
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- In this video I upgrade a 5.1 home cinema system to a 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos & DTS-X Capable system. It features a review of the Marantz NR1607 AV receiver and impressions of how effective Atmos is in the most basic two front upfiring speaker configuration in a small room.....continued....
Featuring the Marantz NR1607 AV Receiver, PSB Imagine XA Atmos Upfiring Speakers, PSB XB Bookshelf Speakers and PSB XC Centre Speaker.
UPDATE - CORRECTION - CLARIFICATION
I must have done a very bad job in the video of getting across the Atmos experience. So let me try again.
I really like my Atmos system. It sounds very very good. It's much better than my old system. The sound feels like it's coming from all around. "It feels like I'm in the middle of a bubble of sound".
Now my comments in the video were about expectations vs reality. I expected to be able to identify exactly where a sound was coming from...imagine someone dropping a coin upstairs on a wooden floor. In reality with just a couple of speakers that type of directional focus just isn't achievable...it also woundn't be achievable with four speakers as sound dissipates like a cone..rather than focusses like a laser. So whilst the sound comes from all around...it won't make you duck. It is though...and I repeat...it is, very good and much better than 5.1
ADDITIONAL INSTALL INFO
As I'm using upfiring speakers and have a small room with my seating sposition close to the rear wall, adding rear upfiring speakers is something that manufacturers recommend avoiding. The reason for this is because I would be too close to the rear speakers, so would hear the sound emanating from the speakers rather than the sound reflected off the ceiling...thereby making the installation of rear Atmos pointless. In a small room with upfiring speakers, it is recommended that you only install the front pair.
Purchasing links:
Marantz NR1607 Slim AV Receiver - AMAZON
UK: amzn.to/2hxIfoJ
US: amzn.to/2hBiabh
PSB Imagine XA Atmos Speakers - AMAZON
UK: amzn.to/2iyxPqh
Banana Plug Terminated speaker cable from Amazon
UK: amzn.to/2hEasih
Atmos demo disc from eBay
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FAQs
Q) What happened to the projector setup?
A) After I got a 65" 4K OLED TV I've just been watching that. The room couldn't accomodate a large enough projector screen to make it worthwhile.
Q) You don't need expensive HDMI cables
A) If you try passing 4K 60Hz 4:4:4 through a HDMI cable that doesn't support 4K 60Hz 4:4:4 you'll soon see why you need to use the right cable. I'm not suggesting paying a lot of money for a cable you can get a cheap one, but just make sure it supports the standards you need or you experience connection issues. This isn't idle talk, I've tested this out...I don't make up nonsense for fun...observations are based upon personal experience....not just stuff I've heard.
Q) What about that switchbox?
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Q) I wasn't paying attention and need you to justify to me why you bought a new AV receiver because that's a normal way to behave.
A) 7 HDMI inputs (for Mac Mini, PS4, Wii U, Xbox, Fire TV, UHD Bluray, SKY Q
4K HDR Passthrough
Smaller
Atmos
DTS-X
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"Since I had all these speakers I decided to knock all these walls down to make a cinema. Who needs a kitchen anyway."
😂😂😂 yes
7:10 gotta love the scratch marks from trying to find the HDMI port :P
Didn't even notice, LOL.
Yeah saw that too. Pretty funny!
Hahaha =D It seems I am not alone in the frustrations connecting up HDMI! What an aweful choice for connector design.
Better than that bloody scart connection. Dear god I hated that.
I don't know, I prefer SCART any day! These tiny connectors (HDMI, micro / mini USB etc) are so hard to align, and often break off on cheaper products. But yes, SCART wasnt perfect either.
"About as far as I'm going to go"
"Alright here is the 24 speaker Atmos ultimate surround setup"
Four years later and I watched this video. As I am upgrading a 26 year old home entertainment system, I found this video very helpful.
Thank You very much for all those videos. I had been growing up during eighties in Eastern Europe and, at that time, I didn't even know such things like 8-tracks or Videodiscs did exist. We only had vinyls, magnetics cassetes, reel tapes and (later) VHS' here. Watching all these cool technical devices from the past in good shape and still working is very informative and also big pleasure. Thanks again and please continue this good work :) And channel's host is loveable ;)
"...Oh and since I got these I got a new TV, and since I got the new TV I got myself a new house"
😂😂😂 and then the new country just popped in...
KESTUTIS NORKUS *planet
@@TheMamaluigi300 universe
gazzertrn Techmoan is God and we were none the wiser
The beginning of this video sounds like an explanation to his wife.
What's a wife?
Something that hates cables
I was thinking the same thing.
I laughed extremely hard at this comment. I needed that today, so I thank you.
Dustin Morrison no problem bud. glad it cheered u up. haha. 😂
You are ruling this field of interest, Techmoan. Very professional, very accurate, exactly each explanation is what watchers probably would ask. Astonishing, excellent work, I'm impressed!
It shouldn't be a surprise that sound reflected off the ceiling isn't very directional.
I was thinking the same. No doubt if you could drop the coin on the full directional speaker setup then it would be quite impressive.
Not to mention, it’s all being fired from the front, too.
That's probably just due to the number of speakers.
You have a real ability to explain and demonstrate tech and concepts in ways the professional reviews and so-called experts often fail to do, and because of this I find your channel essential viewing. I believe Manrantz is part of the same company as Denon, and the clunky text-based menu and media player looks similar to my non-Atmos Denon AVRX4000. I find it painfully slow to navigate my DNLA based music library. The Yamaha (476) I utilize in my other lounge, in comparison, is a joy. Having said that, the smaller physical size of the Marantz is a real plus for smaller systems. Thanks for providing a great explanation of Atmos and the perceived benefits. Keep up the good work in 2017!
You have one of the best channels on TH-cam Sir!! Educational and entertaining!.
The moment I saw this video, I knew that I would one day get Atmos upfiring speakers. As soon as I was able to move out of my parents place and had a stable job, I set bought them! Worth every penny.
Thanks for the video. It might have been the first of yours I watched, but I've spent hours since watching through old and new content. Huge fan of how you bring so much passion to your work, it's made me even more enthusiastic!
Do you think upfiring speakers are still worth it ?
Again, you've proved me wrong, and im happy xD So I skipped this video when I originally saw it, I just thought "Im not too interested in Dolby Atmos" but then it kept appearing in my suggested videos and I figured what the heck, ill give it a watch! Even on subjects I dont care about you captivate me/your audience very well, you speak with an informative and friendly voice! I dont comment often though ive been a sub to your channel for quite some years, keep it awesome
You never know when a friend/family might need help setting up something similar.
New Marantz amp with the object based audio logos! Check. Couple of Atmos speakers, check. Erm, let’s change those two fronts, check. Centre speaker, why not! check. “In for a penny, in for a pound!” Hats off to you sir! Lovin’ your style. 👍
This reminds me of an old Disney cartoon where Goofy buys a home theater system and ends up going overboard with a complicated setup involving tons of speakers and wires going everywhere.
Elvis S "old" Disney cartoon with surround sound??? O.o. Old must be relative.
Sorry, it's not actually old. It's from 2007. It just seems old to me because I've seen it numerous times over the years. It's called "How to Hook Up Your Home Theater"
Besides, even Fantasia from 1940 had surround sound
Surround sound has been around since the early 80s. Atmos has been around since 2010. So what happens is theaters get the technology first and then they send it to the home after a couple years to see if it works well.
This is a really basic setup so it's not even close to that cartoon.
Also: Surround sound came early in the 80's but it was SHIT. Only when Dolby Digital and DTS came it got any good. Before that it was just a surround prosessing from a stereo signal. Sounded really cheap and bad. When digital formats with more channels came it was like night and day compared to the old shitty Dolby ProLogic setup etc.
This is one of the best videoes you've done! You are doing a really good job at being a presenter, entertaining without it becoming cringeworthy.
It is nice to get an opinion from a regular consumer, who are able to tell about their experiences.
- keep up the good work, I am looking forward to every video :)
What does Mrs. Techmoan say to all those things you always bring home. My mum fears me because it needs cables.
PaulofPauls he mentions the Mrs at the 20:18 mark
Hetesh Patel I meant in general
PaulofPauls ah okay, I see you edited the comment .
She has different opinions depending on the device.
Techmoan well i think she isn't particularly happy when you bring a broken device
That is a perfect illustrated video from a normal person , i have been looking for something like this for last 2 years thank you
Where the heck did you get an Atmos Demo Disc? I've been searching everywhere - they don't seem to be available commercially.
It’s in the description of the video, he put the link to buy them on eBay.
@ZeUs TH-cam only has stereo sound...
LOL. I love your explanation of how you ended up getting so many more speakers. That's exactly how it happens. Each speaker you buy compels you to buy other complimentary ones... until before you know it you've bought an ENTIRE 7.1. surround set up. Awesome. Oh how I can relate.
Legend has it, Apparently he got carried away and got a new wife too
mr rambo nice profile pic
@@jeppepedersen7006 shut the fuck up bitch
mr rambo get stuck in a river soon
@@jeppepedersen7006 why?
Is your wife waiting for me there
mr rambo i don’t have a wife sorry
There is something about this guy that just keeps me interested in whatever he is talking about. It was interesting when he talked about the manuals included with the cinema reciever. Bit scary almost..
Thank you Teachmoan for another splendid video i enjoyed it greatly as this is right up my alley with Hifi & Home cinema stuff!
Great video - loved everything about it. Down-to-earth review for the average person on a real-world budget, great voiceover on the how-to sections and a nice conclusion to camera. Thank you.
Let me just say Techmoan that what you do, you do well. I can't understand a single complaint against your presentations. You do a wonderful job of neutralizing any possible discrepancies in your videos. Your dialog inspires me to be a better speaker.
This five year old video made me get up today and reinstall my home cinema setup downstairs. Thanks for the idea. 😂
This guy is living my geeky dream :P
Get over 3k patrons on Patreon plus ad money from TH-cam and all this can be yours. Haha.
I'm not hating only saying.
Slap old speakers on the ceiling for extra ATMOS speakers, job done lol 😎
what it be? what it do? its ya boy techmoan back with another dolby review
Fascinating stuff. My wife and I moved house six years ago into a house that was pre-wired for 5.1. The front speakers are at around ear height, but the rears are just below the ceiling. This configuration is GREAT for storms/aircraft/opening scene of Star Wars 4 etc.
Happy New Year Everyone!
Thanks : )
why do you have the bootcamp logo as your profile pic
NIK4014 I made this account back when a was a massive Apple fanboy (2012), and all my friends were the PC master race kind of people. I set it back then just to annoy them. Probably time to change it though.
Lachlan Brown Aww why did you change it, it was unique. I I'm also a apple fanboy but lately their products specs wise is not that good so I'll probably buy a nice pc in the near future
Happy old year (still)!
I think the issue with the buttons having to be pressed far down is for people who shove the remote down the side of the sofa and the buttons are under pressure all the time so it stops it from being pressed on accident.
Disconnect all other speakers and let only the upfiring speakers connected. Run the demo disc and hear whats comming out of these speakers.
Nothing. upfiring isn't atmos and nobody should buy them
@@anselalldredge1205 Something would come out of them since they are indeed hooked up to the Atmos outputs, no?
I really enjoyed the down to earth explanation and the relaxed commentary that contained loads of information, without being technical.
My question then is what is your recommendation? A cheap atmos setup or an equal value higher spec 5.1?
While this video was a bit longer than I'm used to watching for this type of topic, I enjoyed every minute of it. I appreciate the honesty and clarity of all the aspects of the equipment and the technology. Now I just have to convince the finance committee that we "need" to upgrade our receiver. 😉
I don't know about the UK, but in the US in recent years the movie houses have gotten a lot better, with reserved cushy leather recliners and extra room and all that. Costs a bit more, but it's an excuse to get out of the house and there are no distracting laptop computers with Techmoan videos beckoning you away from the movie.
Helium Road yeah! Some really, really high end ones now that nobody could replicate at home. Even run of the mill theaters are nice, unlike the horrid multiplexes of the 70's and 80's. but movies in a theater are a family tradition of ours.
Yeah we have them here in the UK too. I live near a cinema that has lazyboys and sofas and you can go to a bar for drinks to take into it. It's also (in)famous for being where Shia Lebouf did one of his protests where he livestreamed a flag on top of the place
90% of the UK population can't afford to go to the cinema. In USA money it would cost around $50 per person to go. Imagine trying to take your family, it would be cheaper to fly to Spain for the weekend.
+Purrbox lmao its more like $15 per person, cinemas in the UK are not that expensive sir lmfao, i got to the cinema on a regular basis and I can get tickets and food for under £15 and just tickets are only like £7-9
Helium Road for the full experience,nothing beats the imax theatre,we have the biggest screen here in Melbourne ,Australia in the World!
Personally, I found your channel after looking into purchasing a decent retro turntable, but I must say you are pleasant to listen to. In regards to the content, your information seems very practical and well founded as opposed to many youtubers. Cheers.
You could make paint drying interesting :)
Three years later I am just watching this. Recent ATMOS reviews indicate that many to most ATMOS titles may have very little sound going to the ATMOS channels. These days there are eARC tvs and receivers which require HDMI 2.1 for uncompressed ATMOS and DTS X. I enjoyed the video--visiting you in your English lounge.
What happened to the LG PF1000U projector you had in this room?
I think he replaced it with a 4k telly
Anthony Di Iorio
I was wondering the same thing!
I actually purchased one of those after viewing his video and have really been enjoying it!
It's my main display, though. I don't have a flat screen behind it.
I have one as well. It's pretty nice!
Anthony Di Iorio - He said in the video that he's not using it at the moment.
Great review! It confirms my guess about atoms. When I upgraded from 5.1 to 7.1 I felt the exact same way, it's better, but not necessary. It depends so much more on the films' sound design than the number of speakers. I'm glad I didn't drop my hard earned money on upgrading to atmos :)
i worked for 10 years with company called stereo stereo Glasgow. i know you are a richersounds man (i worked there aswell for a time trained at hankieplace where your speakera are designed) my point is please look out for old linn naim and b&w brands for hifi denon or pioneer for av amps you will find so much more audio for zero money. im curently putting together a linn kaber akktive system
love to have this fella as a real world friend....going round to his on a tuesday night and watching and listening to all his equipment and chatting about it
Where did you get the Atmos and DTS demo discs? I've only seen them on eBay, and they're quite expensive there.
eBay...and they are quite expensive there.
Perhaps you could find a broken one and repair it? Probably just needs a new belt or something.
You can download it from the dolby official website for free
The official Dolby piratebay mirror? hahaha
Just look for it in youtube, use aux to output it
Here I am 4 years later smiling at the old gigs written here. Love it.
I've been using Bread ties to label my cables. Write on the bread tie & attach it to the cable. Does the job! Recycling... 😎
Bread in the United Kingdom does not have reusable plastic bread ties.
@@Techmoan I was using the transverse wire ties to write on and label the cables. The ink faded and worked for nothing. This year I bought a 20$ labeler at Staples, seems to work better.
I fell asleep while watching this...
To be fair, I was already pretty tired and listening to someone talk about something, regardless of the topic, isn't the best thing to listen to when you're trying not to fall asleep. Then again, I was already home (although it wasn't nighttime yet), so I didn't really care if I fell asleep or not.
Don't take me falling asleep as an insult or anything, I love your videos. I just thought it'd be a little funny to mention it.
1) Well, I'm not gonna whine about your setup...
2) You know know more than me on this subject, thanks for the info!
Keep it up, have a good new year.
- Eddy
Happy New Year old chap.
I don’t know about you guys but watching him on open this stuff is like a little kid at Christmas. And he got just what Santa was told to bring him.
The max number of monitors (speakers) for Atmos is 128. If you ask me, mixing and surround panning for 7.1 is a pain.
With Atmos you aren't mixing discrete channels. You position the audio where you want it, then the Atmos decoder figures out which channels to use to put the audio where it needs to be.
The only real change from 5.1 mixing is that you now have a 'height' component. Everything else is basically the same.
doubledeej I think the point is if you're doing post production audio, mixing for surround vs 2 channel stereo is a major pain. At least, that's what I think he said. I mix music, and I _hate_ mixing surround.
That isn't the way it works with surround mixing. You don't manually set the volume for each channel. Essentially the biggest difference between stereo and surround is that in place of a Pan control you've got what is essentially a joystick to select the sound position. So you're selecting a 2D (surround) or 3D (Atmos or DTS:X) position for each source instead of a 1D position (stereo pan). Other than that it is pretty much the same.
Someone who isn't good at creating a proper image in a stereo mix might struggle doing surround, but for anyone who does it well surround isn't really that much more difficult or time consuming. The concepts transfer nicely. EQ, effects, and everything else are pretty much the same. The surround mixes I've done haven't really taken any longer than stereo.
Thanks Techmoan for the last video for the year! Always enjoy your dry wit and insight into all things tech! Looking forward to your future postings in 2017!
Great to see you actually wearing the Hewlett Packard watch, :)
I had no idea these up-firing speakers existed! I wanted to upgrade to Dolby Atmos but can't really install ceiling speakers where I live. This is a great solution for my home. Thanks so much for your videos. Very informative!
I see you have the addiction too.
Enjoyed your video. I'm on a budget myself, I've upgraded my player and TV to 4K, but my receiver is a 15 year old Yamaha. I upgraded my front speakers to Klipsch and I really do like them. I use a pair of Polks from the 80s as B speakers in between them and my center channel speakers (I've wired 3 speakers together and I really like how that makes dialogue more pronounced, as well as giving a wider soundstage...I know I would probably be hissed at for doing it, but it helps the dialogue stand out).
I don't have the money to upgrade my receiver now, but I feel like the Yamaha RX-V2500 has better quality amps than receivers nowadays (they pack so many features in for the money, they must compromise somewhere). I keep telling myself that! Even though my audio isn't uncompressed, I feel like the better amps are a good compromise. Plus, I like the A/B speakers...you don't find that anymore.
I also can't afford to do Atmos. When we built our house, I had the contractor wire for in-wall speakers (I have a 7.1 setup). At the time, THX and Dolby promoted getting the speakers up at least 2' above your listening position. The Yamaha receiver manual said to raise them to about 6', which I did as our basement ceilings are 9'.
Now, Dolby says to mount your speakers at ear level, and with Atmos ceiling speakers this makes sense to give more space between the surrounds and the overheads.
To be honest, with the side and surround speakers mounted so high (actually, when you think about it, movie theater speakers have to be mounted high as well), it has a surprising height effect.
I watched "Midway" today and it sounded as though the planes and guns were not just side to side, but overhead as well.
My wife and daughters don't really care about surround sound. When we built the house, my wife said, "I don't really care as long as the wires are hidden." For some reason, most females just don't get into surround sound. Maybe it's the way the male brain is wired, but I absolutely find a good surround sound track very thrilling and immersive. Some are much better than others!
Tweaking the setup is half the fun!
Awesome video, but I'm still good with 1080p, and a Philips 5.1 surround sound 1080p upscaling DVD player home theater in a box setup, so no upgrade for me till my TV decides to kick the bucket. lol!
Oh come on bite the bullet already.
I mean..... his username checks out
Grandpa indeed!
I’m surprised he isn’t using one of those 480i black and white TV with the rotary dials
Cool story. I just upgraded. Still have a 1080P TV, but by 5.1 amp was going out. Bought a 9.2 channel receiver and will be buying 4 overhead speakers. I can play 4K bluray on my Xbox one and it will downscale it to 1080P.
@@demonreturns4336 🤦I'm only 39
I've got a 4k 65'' TV (I was upgrading the size mainly, and at this point, since plasma TVs are out, the next-best thing was a 4K television, and the rapidly lowering costs of a new TV finalized the decision) but I still watch my movies in 1080p and with a 5.1 surround sound system. The prices you can get an amazing system at these days make trying to get the "latest and greatest" not particularly that desirable. Frankly, I'm not that impressed with 5.1 surround sound, generally speaking. I pretty much never hear anything behind me or to the sides or anything. I think maybe in 5 movies in my 30+ collection did I notice a sound or two coming from behind at maybe one or two inconsequential moments.
It's really the "wrap-around" effect that keeps it worth it. There's a greater sense of "place."
LOL love it! That's my family's curse. Every time we replace something like the TV, we always get carried away and end up "modifying" our setup to fit the new stuff.
Watching dolby atmos demo on my stereo speakers though a mono mic in youtube quality cause i'm poor lol.
am I only medium poor yet?? Thx for the vid, interesting opportunities to explore when I find a free house!
We have in my hometown a new cinema with a Atmos installation. And it was the second in the world with this system and it sounds great! Nice Channel! from Hoorn The Netherlands
20:40 Thought you were gonna say it looked "a little bit gay" for a second hahaha
So gay
Recently discovered this guy and channel. Great content and down to Earth style of delivery. Plus I love the dry humour and oddities from the past. Keep up the good work.
I love the network name WOPR - can I assume the password is Joshua?
Thanks again for another entertaining video. I have an Atmosphere capable amp and recently could have fitted ceiling speakers (room was redecorated) but opted for old fashioned 7.1 instead so pleased to hear that Atmos set up is not a night and day difference. To be honest I cannot see many in the home adopting more speakers let alone ceiling ones but can see a future for Atmos, as with 3D as just another niche which enthusiasts can enjoy if they wish (a bit like Dolby surround still being in an old fashioned stereo mix back in the day!) please keep the vids coming!
I have a similar Marantz Home theatre receiver but bigger... and I'm sorry to say my 1973 Harman Kardon 930 receiver just blows it away for sound quality. Not even close. The bass has way more slam on the HK and the mids and highs are just sublime. Icing on the cake... the HKs very conservative 48 w/ch sounds much louder than my Marantz at a rated100 w/ch.
Technology has progressed a great deal in most areas... except for consumer home audio where what passes for amplifiers now with their ICs replacing discrete parts and power supplies the size of walnuts... sounds limp, thin and sterile compared to classic gear of the 70s.
socksumi thank you!! I've been telling people that for years, and they often don't believe me. Or don't listen/care.
My 1971 quadraphonic HeathKit all transistor amp only has 35 W RMS per channel, but ruler flat well beyond 20-20k with no audible distortion at full power (I can usually squeeze out 40 watts). It gets WAY louder than 100-150 w/pc modern home theater amps, that distort much sooner and don't have a full sound at any level. Especially with those Class D ICs. The power supply alone on the HeathKit is absolutely massive. I love it. The lights even dim a bit when it's on and pumping. Though I do need to replace one of the Motorola power transistors.
socksumi also, with good hifi speakers from the 70's, one doesn't need a sub. If I could get 5 or 7 of my old Sansuis, they'd make a killer theater setup.
Filming In Portland which hi-fi speakers from that period can play down to 15Hz?
Mikkel Kirketerp
Speakers offering true 20 hz extension are extremely rare... now and especiall 40 years ago. However the IMF RSPM MK IV, a British made transmission line system from the late 70s was purported to go down to 16 hz. Even the inexpensive original ADVENT LOUDSPEAKER did close to 25 HZ when aided by in-room boundary reinforcements. Other 1970s names that reached to almost 20 HZ (when measured in room)... Acoustic Research AR-9, McIntosh, Bozak, Linn Isobaric, Janis & M&K subs, Infinity, Dayton-Wright, Bozak, Cerwin Vega S2 and others.
socksumi exactly my point. thus you needed a subwoofer then and you need one now.
What is your sitting distance from your TV in this video? How are the PSB's holding since this video, if you still have them? Cheers
*YOUR ASPECT RATIO IS ALL WRO........*
Ohh !
All the best for 2017 Mr Techmoan.
I didn’t realize Denon and Marantz are the same company until I saw this setup.
Marantz slim avrs are great. I'm personally fine with 5.1 sound.
Not happy I sold all my gear a few years ago and settled for a sound bar and smart speaker which does sound good and easy to use .after watching about 10 at least of your great videos I can feel I’m getting bitten bitten by the bug again the interaction of of building up your equipment I do miss it and will keep watching and looking on line many thanks phil
Honestly, Atmos in such a small room is silly.
What I would do is replace your tiny surround speakers with the Atmos ones and mount them close to the ceiling in each corner. That way you get a better soundstage plus the speakers are out of the way and not drawing attention, which is the point of any speaker.
If you wanted to take it further then those tiny surrounds could be mounted on the actual ceiling for a true Atmos setup.
Upfiring and ceiling mounted Speakers both require a dedicated channel on the back of the receiver otherwise Atmos can't work.
His choice of receiver Marantz NR1607 is limited to 2 Atmos channels 5.1.2. The layout and position of the speakers are chosen in the settings.
This will allow the receiver to play back the Atmos effects correctly for each setup.
Droidz Hunterz @
Yeeeaaah.. Well.. For the one's of us who actually enjoys good sound tend to have large speakers and the room is furnitured and centered around these speakers. They are not out of the way and they are drawing attention. Which is the way we like it ;)
You missed my point, I was talking about the surround channels.
Its not so much about their physical appearence but rather the ability to create a seamless soundstage that does not sound obvious when listening. Getting the positioning right can help with this.
Specifically lifting the ambient effects channels provide many benefits in a small room. If a speaker is right next to your ears then its not going to sound convincing or natural.
Droidz Hunterz Ok now i get what you mean. Agree.
Thoroughly enjoyed taking this journey with you Sir Moan of Techshire! Marvellous as always .
Thanks to recommend this in 2019
I'm still poor anyway
Very British take on thing's "bounce off the ceiling and hopefully land where you are sitting". Absolutely love this mentality.
Techmoan.. did you find you needed to alter the speakers levels after doing the AUDYSSEY setup ? i always found it set the speaker levels to low for my liking so i ended up increasing the levels manually myself.
Also from watching your install video i have also learned that Marantz & Denon are actually part of the same company because my denon X2300W has the same setup menu as your NR1607.
Yes I tweaked the settings.
Techmoan hi there technomoan.
I really do hope you see this! judging from what I can see in the video, your reflection speakers are not properly aligned!
it looks as though the center of their reflection is aimed at the floor between your couch and TV rather than at the couch. if this is the case then that is most likely why you're net getting that direct sound from above, and instead that diffuse field you mentioned.
They are aligned correctly its just there is a speaker cover over the actual speaker which makes it look this way.
peaheaduk that's not what I meant!
the incident angle at which the upward firing speaking hits the sealing with is the same as the one it reflects with. and that reflection looks to be hitting the wrong place. look at how low angle the speakers have - it should have been a steeper angle. but then again I haven't seen the entire room.
Sound doesn't work like a laser....it dissipates like a cone...the sound coming back from the ceiling will cover the entire couch and all the area around it.
If you have such a small appartment i wonder where you keep all the stuff you collected from all over the world.
Still love your videos! It's how I get my fix. I have the same obsession for technology, but I don't have enough money, much like you. 😜 Does your wife give you a hard time for all "the crap" you bring home?
What's a wife?
***** Hahaha! That's hilarious! I'm glad I don't have one of those things. My money is all mine and nobody will ever take half of it. Well, maybe the government will, but at least I don't have a constant nagging in my ear.
I'm married, and I buy as much crap as I can afford with my money, and she buys whatever crap she wants with her money. My advice is try not to marry a bitch.
ECuevas Its not crap, but who techman makes is treasure out of entertainment technology.
I'm sorry, I don't know your name? What a breath of fresh air. I loved your review and if you edited it, yourself? nice.
Being a brit myself. I live in a small house and space tends to be a premium. So your review is very valued and thoroughly enjoyed.
Thanks.
I like PC W orld because you can grab a HDMI cable 1.5m for £34 what a deal :P
Is that a joke
***** sarcasm more like, unless you mean the £34 HDMI cable sadly that is no joke that is really that much:P
looooooooooool
NonsensicalVids or go to cpc.farnell.com/hdmi-leads then after HDMI cables get carried away with everything elce they supply.
You can (Or could) get a 1m HDMI cable in Poundland for about a hundred pence! ;-)
I don't do 4K (Or even 1080p usually) so can't attest to how well it would carry HD/high bandwidth content, but it's a much better HDMI cable than no HDMI cable at all! :-)
Nice editing. This is one of the most comprehensive videos I've seen on a new HT set up. Love it.
I'd say going to the cinema has gotten better since 2003. With digital projection the film is no longer visibly worn out after a couple days, and there's certainly no issue of sound sync. In regards to chewing gum on the screen, that sounds like your local cinema are a bunch of twats who don't do basic upkeep.
I don't care for the cost of going to the movies these days, or 3D since I can't see it proper, but beyond that at a good decently clean theater the experience has gotten better for sure, unless some kid is on their cell phone the whole time lol! Also I'm lucky I have a drive in theater about an hour from me, so me, and my g/f pack the van, her kid, and my sister's kids during the summer a couple times, and go see a double feature which is cheaper, and gets the kids out of the house lol!
Nukleon even on film, sound is ON the film, so it should never be out of sync, unless they were one of the few who played digital soundtrack from disc AND didn't know how to sync. But I've never seen any sync issues. And film does not get scratchy until many, many plays and if handled properly, even then lasts a long time. Consider how long first-run films are played before hitting a second-run theater, where even there it's still pretty good. And when you consider the mounting of all the reels onto the giant playback reel, then disassembly after its run, at every single theater, plus the shipping back and forth - it's amazing they hold up so well.
Most cities in the US have good theaters.
Filming In Portland Unfortunately, film handling was a lost art and was rarely done properly over the past 15 years. It was also easy to have audio sync issues by threading the projector incorrectly.
Digital cinema has done wonders for presentation quality, but it's still possible to have lens alignment and focus issues as well as sound (amplifier/speaker) problems. And now, its highly unlikely anyone at the cinema has the skill to fix the problem...they have to call the engineer and wait for a service visit.
I am one of those engineers and I am very selective about which cinema I would pay to watch a feature. I still like viewing on the big screen and an Atmos system, properly tuned with well mastered content, is just amazing. It's hard to beat a system with 77 individually addressable audio channels...and Atmos supports even more channels than that!
Filming In Portland for the last 20 years or so of film projection they often used DTS which wasn't on the film, came on the side on a CD that was synced up to the film with sync dots on the film. I think the last movie I saw in theatres that was on film was Kick-Ass, and it was maybe 2 weeks after the premiere and it was scratched and dirty as shit.
Mainly low quality upkeep, thanks to our wonderfully worthless generation. I used to enjoy gong, now it just feels like money being wasted. Id also point out the movies these days lack inspiration. An occasional gem will be released but watching it through trash stuck on the screen is definitely not worth $10 admission.
I bought a 'theater in a box' setup from Onkyo about two years ago. It's the most affordable setup for Atmos at home for me. I was really impressed with the sound quality of the set. While the speakers won't win any beauty contest, they do a very decent job with the Atmos experience. It is rather funny that I even play all my movies with DTS as Dolby Atmos now (the amp can simulate the extra channels), as you have mentioned, once you get used to it, it seems something is missing if the two height speakers are off. They just give that extra oomph! I really enjoy that system and only wish they had a setup with 5.4 now. That will definitely enrich the experience even more.
Did you put the "old" front speakers in the back?
I believe that was his old back speaker, since his old system is 5.1
No, he had those from the 5.1 setup.
So now he has two spare speakers for another two channels. Hoorah!
I don't think this receiver outputs 7.1.2 though
Charles Thompson III I think it's 5.1.2 since he replace his fronts and center with the new speakers. So Two front + Two back + Center + Sub + Two front Atmos
That purple couch fabric ooze early 20th luxury. What a thing of beauty.
I had a very decent surround setup once. But I noticed that the back speakers hardly ever made any note of themselves, it was as if they might as well not be there. So ultimately I got fed up of having a giant receiver and wires going everywhere, sold it all and replaced it with a stereo pair of active Beolab 8000's. Good riddance I say, surround is kind of rubbish.
Obviously a case of a system not properly setup, I recently watched the latest Jason Bourne film on blu-ray, plenty of rear speaker action evident on my system, a bit more patience at your end and you could still be enjoying multi channel audio rather than criticising it.
Obviously a case of jumping to conclusions. My system was setup perfectly well. In fact I had several surround setups over a decade. I don't miss the mess, so I won't ever be going back. Besides, my tastes in movies have since matured way beyond contemporary Hollywood, which are the type of movies to receive advanced surround mixes. I haven't watched anything from that side of the world in years.
If you like action films and TV programmes then surround is good, but not for many other things where it just doesn't exist, or if it does, you get a few seconds of rear sound every now and then. My surround speakers and wires are fairly unobtrusive, so I have no plans to remove them, but they don't get used very often.
Excellent video. I run a 7.1 capable receiver in a smallish room, but I honestly never saw the point in going beyond the 5.1 speaker setup. True HD Audio was the last significant upgrade for home theater in my book, unless trying to fill a much larger room with sound. On another note, it's worth using larger speakers as surrounds...plenty of info out there as to why.
Very interesting. Thanks!
Good video. A few comments:
-in ceiling or on ceiling Atmos/DTS:X speakers are ALWAYS better than ceiling bounce speakers. I've heard several ceiling bounce setups vs on ceiling setups and they are not comparable. Also ceiling bounce introduces too many variables such as where the seating position is, the height of the ceiling, the angle of the ceiling, the material the ceiling is made of, etc. In ceiling or on ceiling speakers can be installed in locations that reduce the variables.
-four ceiling speakers is ALWAYS better than two (obvious). Two ceiling speakers up front is okay but the overhead audio will sound like it "dies" once it arrives to your seating position.
-you don't need to cut huge holes in your ceiling for overhead sound. I mounted four of my small satellite Harman Kardon HKTS1 speakers onto the ceiling joists and angled them properly toward the seats and this combined with my Marantz SR7010 and Definitive Technology ground speakers sound phenomenal.
Those automatic calibration programmes are pretty much the worst thing ever. They screw with the latency, equalisation, and volume of individual channels to compensate for any asymmetry in your speaker placement or obstructions but the results often push channels out of phase with one another and making the left or right channel louder just because it is further away never sounds natural. The first thing you should do with a new receiver is toss out that little microphone and manually calibrate. It may take a month to find the right balance but you'll find the right balance.
Well... no. A good starting point is a flat equalizer (you shouldn't ever need to touch the equalizer unless you've spent all of $20 on your speakers and they have horrible frequency reproduction), flat 0dB volume across all channels, and no channel delays (often represented in the settings, curiously, as 'distance' on an inverse scale). This is how your unit should come out of the box. For a good manual starting point, you'll *probably* want to jack your centre up about 2-3dB to make dialogue intelligible and avoid having to enable DRC or risk your neighbors calling the filth, turn your rear surrounds in a 7/9/11 array down by 1-2dB, as they're probably quite close to the back of your head, and *possibly* add the tiniest progressive delay towards your rear channels and/or sub if you never use circle surround to listen to music and want movie soundtracks to sound a little more dynamic and lively.
my rear speakers are always up & behind me, angled down from about 6 ft up & 5ft away. They are Paradigm Atoms.
Good video! I came here to just check out the first couple of minutes and ended up watching the whole thing. One note: DTS is higher fidelity and more versatile/robust than Dolby; always has been.
I can just picture your wife saying "ANOTHER upgrade?! Didn't we just go through this?" lol
Sorry dude, I accidentally reported your comment. I meant to hit the reply button but somehow it flagged the comment and won't let me undo it.
@@lilturk726 Lol it actually got removed too.
Always nice to see someone switch from cheap home cinemas to some higher quality once
I hope Mrs Moan was ok with you centering the sound on your own seat! ;)
Great video Technoman. It makes me so happy to see someone else having fun and being excited with setting up a new home theatre system.
You've earned a subscriber.
Still watching in 2019... I guess in the end it really depends on how you hear things..
Mrs. Techmoan must really love it when you get that project look in your eye. And your neighbors must be able to detect your projects by the number of delivery trucks that stop at your house.
Buy yourself a harmony remote! They are amazing
I was about to suggest the same thing.
I bought the top of the line one a few years ago...I didn't like it.
Techmoan What where your biggest inconveniences with it? Because to get rid of multiple remotes in my home setup, I also bought Logitech Harmony Touch few years ago, and I'm totally satisfied. Worked great since.
I didn't like the fact that if someone tuned the TV on with the TV's remote, everything went out of sync. The Mrs hated using it and I always prefer the ergonomics of a single use remote...I use one remote 95% of the time, so it's not a big inconvienience for me to also use another one for a couple of button presses on movie night.
Happy New Year and I hope you can compete with the videos in 2017 as you were able to do in 2016. =-)
My first and experience with Dolby Atmos is watching the Marvel movie Dr. Strange in a (imho quite good / well above standard) cinema and I must admit that I was blown away by the sound and the atmosphere this setup was able to create. The most outstanding thing it did for me was changing my whole perception of this 500+ people cinema from a big cathedral like sound to a small intimate sounding room and transitioning between those scenarios seamlessly and accurately. For me it's now a feature which i wouldn't wanna miss when watching a good movie.
But as you pointed out the public cinema experience depends on the quality of the public cinemas in your local area and the production quality of the movie.
When Mat said "the misses came home", I immediately thought of the puppets...weird.
I was on a cinema room with dolby atmos last week, and the experience was awesome, there is no other word to describe.
The first time I heard about Atmos I was a bit worried about breathing in poison gas... XD
Niki Groeger Was waiting to see the whovian comment x3
You comment and profile photo go well together
Neurotoxin
But, it's cleaning the air with alien technology... *no it isn't!* (Everyone starts coughing.) That was a great story.