One Fatal Flaw - Grinders Can't fix Everything
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- Do you want the best #cutting experience with your #chainsaw? When you are cutting #firewood out on your #farm, the best way to sharpen your chain is the fastest and easiest way so you actually do it! That is my opinion at least. Many of us like getting under a good light with a saw in a vice using a fresh file and bringing the best possible edge back to our saws. I like it for about 1 loop of chain but shortly after I realize I have 4 more to go from yesterdays firewood cutting saga, I no longer get excited filing yet another chain especially as the file starts to wear down.
Do you share this experience? Sometimes are you trying to beat the light and just need to get the saw cutting again? Check this video out and see if this sharpening style has you covered. Corded or battery powered, we have you covered!
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Everyone, please weigh in if you feel as if my profile is not quite optimal. Should I focus a bit more n the gullet and get a little more of a hook in there? Please let me know your thoughts.
Consistency in size of teeth is more important than a perfect profile.
@@EvanJH02 many ppl would disagree with you on top late length. Thanks for sharing!
The rakers need filed, but know your limits. High rakers are a feature of anti-kickback chains. The chain will bite deeper if the raker is lower, but at the expense of saw safety. If you file the rakers and use that chain for pruning, you are more likely to saw your head in half.
Thanks everyone
Thank you very much! Can't wait to give it a go! Good stuff as always and see you next time!
Shipped it yesterday and the tracking should be in your email buddy! I think you will like it. Appreciate you watching!
I think this is a quick way to sharpen. Maybe not as precise and consistent as sharpening attachments, but quick.
Thank you for watching. Do you mean something like a Stihl 2 in 1? If so, I have never used one but I have come behind numberous people that have and I have found the chains to be fairly rough. I actually find that this tool allows me to get a good vantage point on what I am doing because I can focus more on the angle rather than pushing a file through and keeping an angle from behind. I also recommend getting proficient at hand filing because it sure does help understand the concept the best. Again, I appreciate you watching and commenting!
@@oakiewoodsmana sharpener which attaches to the bar will help with keeping the gullet and cutter consistent as you move through each tooth. I like the idea of the power sharpener, especially when I’m getting older and as the day goes on I’m not going to be that great with a hand sharpener. The file is still my go-to as it is easy to carry and doesn’t need batteries. With a power sharpener one can easily cut down into the gullet. Seen good things about the Granberg sharpener. They have both manual and power versions which attach to the bar.
Thanks for sharing! @@jamesmunterich146
That's a Dremel. It may be a cheaper, no name Dremel, but it's still a Dremel.
With a diamond cylindrical tip for grinding chain specifically.
Finally someone says don’t use a rotary if they don’t know how to sharpen with a file!!
Has that been a missing piece of the puzzle for you? Ya Mark, if you don’t know how to get the angles right, this is not going to be magic. That is for sure! Thanks again for watching friend
Oh no I learned to hand file first before grinding with a rotary.
@@zeromark202 I know you can file friend.
Don't get married to the angle. If you are cutting in a dirty deck, filing a shallower angle will last longer.
Thank you for the tip. Do you think the temper is ruined? So many ppl on FB insist the chain is now too hard or too soft.
@@oakiewoodsman Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on how long you grind on a single tooth. Touch one, touch the next, then go back to the first and you are less likely to get it too hot.
Congrats Ted. Neighbor Joe, Great video. Looks like that product is very handy. Ive never been much on field sharpening "i probably should be" ive always just kept spare sharp chains on hand. Once a chain gets dull, i swap it out. Every evening after cutting me or my father, sits down and shapens all of them on one of our old oregon bench grinders. Thats probably a slower option for people that are good and quick with a file, but these grinders just make everything precise. On doing the rakers. Since they dont have to be done that frequently i just hit them with a file a few licks while i am sharpening them on the grinder. We tried one of the HF grinders years ago and we used it for just a little while. The quality just wasnt there as comparded to the Oregon grinders. Just the way we have done it for decades. We become creatures of habit, lol.
Sounds like you guys have a great process and a good grinder. My process could change a bit as well with a grinder of a better caliber for sure. Have you ever run out of spares in the field when you are in dirty wood? If so, do you just call it quits are keep cutting? I have seen guys actually go buy another chain rather than clean up their last one.
@@oakiewoodsman No sir we keep going and I do get some muddy logs sometimes when I drag them around where I want them so sometimes we have to change them more regularly than other times. "I try not to drag them if I can keep from it"
We have enough spare chains. Every year we usually have my aunt make us up a couple chains and they get tossed in the rotation.
I did pick up a new product to use for organizing our chains to see how that does.
"We used to just toss them in the chainsaw box then occasionally you would get one you would have to spend 5 minuts untangling"
I havent even edited that video yet maybe itll be posted in a couple weeks.
We do keep a file in the chainsaw case for rare emergency but I've probably only filed a handful of times if I had to.
That electric sharpener looks like it could he very useful in those times
@@TheRustyGarageandHomestead your Aunt makes loops? Family business? Or just you have rolls of chain and she does it for ya?
Nice review! The cat was hungry 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Hahaha. That is Gizmo. He didn’t even eat it. Should I take that as a warning? Kinda how ants won’t touch diet soda? 😉
Grinding is definately faster but I think I can get better results by hand
That is very possible! Thanks for watching friend.
Have a good weekend
You too buddy!
I'm still iffy on those things. I'd never use it in the woods just because I only take what's on my fallers harness. Wouldn't wanna carry a die grinder. I have a die grinder in my shop, and I ordered some oregon bits for it, I just haven't brought myself to try it yet. I'm too comfortable filing. I agree if you can't file that thing is just gonna make the same mistakes but faster. I might try them one day. Pro tip, check tsc for husqvarna files. Around here they're 2 packs for 5 bucks Canadian, so about 2$ usd a piece. They last way longer than any other file I've tried but they're also really aggressive. They take a ton of material off. That's either good or bad, depending on how ya look at it.
Since you out there falling 30 acres of timber running around, this would not be a good option. If I think about it, this truly is more of a firewood guy where your wood comes to you. When I was out working the other day and was running around cutting trees up, I kept moving my truck because all of my supplies were in the truck. That is not sustainable in a position like you are in for sure.
I have heard good things from Zeromark, one of the guys often in the comment section on my videos and in the chainsaw community. He buys those himself. I think he was saying Amazon was the best place to buy them I think. I have not seen the Husqvarna Files at TSC down the road, but I will check there next time I am around.
As far as your Oregon bits, I think they will work well but they change in diameter rapidly as you use them from what I have heard and seen. That is the primary reason I never got them. I didn't want my "file" getting smaller with every tooth. The Diamond ones that I have been using only shrink when the diamond is gone off of the cylinder.
Thanks!
@oakiewoodsman that's my thoughts as well, the area I'm cutting is almost a mile from where I can get to by truck. I take a side by side to the forest edge and then walk the rest. In an open yard or cutting blow downs etc I could see it, if you can keep your truck handy.
I know the stone files will shrink nicer time, but I'm not sure by how much. If you think about it a file can shrink as you use it too. Is ir enough to make a difference? I dunno, I don't think so. I was looking at the diamond bits but every one I looked at had terrible reviews. That's why I went with oregon stones. I forgot the name of the file bits you were using.
Now, could this grinder be a good thing for on the shop bench at the end of the day? Probably. I'm known to let my saws get a little duller than I should near the end of the day because I can do them on the bench vise at home, which is much easier. The other concern I have is heat. I saw in the video there appeared to be smoke coming off your chain teeth after you pulled the grinder away (I'm not talking about the material while you were grinding). But again will that hurt the chain? I dunno. Only 1 way to find out I guess.
@canuck7268 oil was burning off. No discoloration to tooth or burr. I was wondering the same thing. I think all the bits are likely the same but it is hard to say for sure.
The reason I replace chains and don't sharpen in the field was the procedure we used when cutting fireline during initial attack - old habits are hard to change. The swampers carried extra chain so we could keep moving without having to stop and sharpen chain, it's much faster just putting a sharp chain on. When we got back to camp we used the vice on our trailer work bench - I like standing up and harnessing power from my lower body when sharpening. Using that tool would be easier on the body especially the wrists.
Swapping chains isn't a bad idea in my opinion.
Makes total sense, in a production environment and daily cutting, you have a routine that just works and has been used often. How many extra chains did you have? Did you sharpen on the saw or did you have some sort of jig that you could mount the chain on and file? Thanks for sharing. I may someday change my routine should I find a better way. Well, if I got a square grinder, that could certainly change something for sure! 😉
@@karlrovey there is a reason so many have done it and continue to do it. Worked fairly well for me. I just find that I was able to procrastinate and let it build up when I was in that routine myself. Thanks for watching!
@@oakiewoodsman It's easy to procrastinate. After I finally got the silver maple down (I mentioned it on another video; it didn't go quite where I wanted and clipped a bush), limbed, and applicable pieces bucked, I knew I was going to need to clean my saw before I used it again. It helped to have a plan (I knew rain was coming within an hour, so I started splitting the logs until it started raining, then I took care of the saw).
@@oakiewoodsman when I go in the forest to cut, I bring three different size saws with a chain on the bar and two extra chains for each saw. My days of limbing and cutting small saplings and branches with a large saw are over, I grab my Stihl MS 260 pro for tops or husky 550XP. In the 70's fighting wildfire, the swampers carried three extra chains and files etc in case we had to sharpen on the line. I usually sharpened with the chain on the saw and with a trailer workbench vise. Some used a grinder when we where at our home base doing trail construction. We flew with at least 7 or 9 saws and purged the gas tanks.
Just sending a quick hello. Im flat out at work with this snow storm. Ill catch up with ya.
Be safe friend! Thanks for stopping by!
Congrats Ted!!!! Cool tool we all know that feeling of hand filing and your arm feels like its going to fall off
This has been a great thing sir. Thanks again for watching! Your 500i was sure the best choice for that roadside red oak! Have a good rest of the weekend man.
Battery powered seems good, I have one that runs off of truck battery and it is not always convenient to use. Once the stone wore out I quit it.
Ya, I couldn’t imagine have a 12 volt setup to run off of the battery. Those stones wear fairly quickly from what I have heard as well. Thanks for watching and sharing!
Congrats @tedneitzel 👍👍 Looking forward to hearing your feedback sharpening with this new set-up as I suspect you're a hand filing kinda fella...
I believe he was grinding on the bench @902hand7. Thanks for watching buddy!
Oh yes all hand file for sure. I had a Harbor freight grinder but my grandkids lost piece to it so I couldn't use it anymore. I didn't use it much just if a chain had big damage to it.
@@tedneitzel we hang out in some of the same watering holes here on YT and just by your comments I figured you are a hand filer but you know what assuming gets you most of the time... haha. Congrats again Mr Ted.
@@902hand7 Thank you
Hey joe just wanted to say another awesome video an I was cutting today with my 501p and my 620p man what a pair to have
I have never run a 501p. It was on my short list but then the 545 came up for like $350 bucks with a few tanks of fuel through it.
Thank you buddy!
Yeah I think it's a great a saw an your welcome buddy
Great combo man.
I also added a 3510 (want to uograde to a 4310sx or a 543xp) for in-the-tree work and a 2511t.
Can't wait to run my 661 stihl though lol. Got a steal on a blown up one with a pristine cylinder.
Congratulations again Ted!🎉👍🏻 the lack of availability of a replacement battery pack is slightly concerning. I've also replaced the cells themselves in discontinued or difficult to get battery packs but know that's not an option for most. Nugget nabber sure was sneaky! For profile? Yours looks pretty good to me👍🏻 personally I tend to bring the gullet a little lower for more hook but as you know, more beak is less durable and can be too aggressive for some saws even with proper raker height.
“Nugget Nabber” 😉 The cell replacement could be a good option for the right person. I think this would be 3 - 18650 batteries I would guess.
As I was reviewing footage I was thinking I should definitely go with more hook. What do you think about going down in file size? Especially towards the ends of the chain like this. I know some are adamant and others are not. Thanks AP!
@@oakiewoodsman I only drop down a file size if I start having to really dig into the chassis to get the hook I'm after. Took me a while to warm up to the idea of using a smaller file aswell.
@@aaronpowell4885 this next sharpening I am going to use the same 7/32 and grind down more rather than straight back. My right side cutters had the least hook so this is my fault. Gotta do better. Thanks man. I can also get a better hook on the left side too.
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Grinder looks very similar to the Milwaukee M-12 I use. Would be interesting to see if a M-12 battery pack would fit!
👍👍good info
Thanks CF. Please, how does my profile look? Should I have a bit more hook?
I think for what you are doing, that is fine. I assume you are looking for a compromise between sharpness/speed and longevity. That looks like it’s right in the pocket.
Saw this technique for tightening chain on treason’s channel- jam a wedge under the chain to keep the movement to a minimum. In my experience the biggest variances I experienced were due to chain moment side-to side and up and down. Grind a few at a time and move the wedge(use it on the bottom of course)😊
@@crazyfeller5704 I may try that that. I saw a logger jamming a stick in the slack of the chain to take up slop. Thank you CF!
👍🆙OW, How was the earthquake y'alls way?
Woke me up from a dead sleep
I was at work and the building was rumbling. @therustygarage is closer to the epicenter than I was so I bet he rumbled even more. That was the largest quake I have experienced since I was a little kid in California. Took me back for a minute. Where I was it was short lived. How about for you DR?
I may have been doing something, I didn't notice it, probably felt it here but I didn't, what was the @ time?
@D.R._aka_Doc close to 11:30 PM 2/2/24
Didn't know y'all have been having them lately. Glad nothing bad! We've had a few rumblies over the last few months aswell. All small, 3.9 or less.