22:29 I feel the Soviet story has a number of holes in it to: 1) The way its discribed it sounds like half the German army was shooting at these tanks, while i think their was more then one Tiger/tank shooting on the German side i don't think it was any more then a tank Platoon which i think is five for the German's. This could be a way for the tank commanders to explain the failure of the attack, it looks far better if they say "We had a wall of fire and half the German army facing us" then "Yeah we got beat back by five tanks", which given this is Soviet Russia and a Gulag or pistol to back of head could be a result for failure, esspecially if they made a dogs breakfast of the attack, i could easily see that happening and it wouldn't be the first or last time the Soviets did this, made a battle much more fierce then is actually was to explain failures of command. 2) Also the Soviet account mentions 32 T-34 tanks and 21 T-70 tanks, this set up seems a little off to me, the T-70's were light tanks used mainly for recon and scouting armed with a 45mm gun and given one is recording as being knocked out, i'm a little curious why they are in the middle of the attack, yes they were also used for infantry support but the infantry got left behind, i understand keeping the tank strengh together but the T-70's 45mm is useless for fighting tanks so having them there is actually pointless. 3) And to reinforce an earlier point at the start the infantry and artillary support were either left behind or did not arrive at all, which in addition to the company and battalion commanders having no maps and the orders are basically drive that way and find the enemy with your face it kind of feels the Soviets didn't plan this attack very well and they might have infact got their tank and infantry elements seperated leaving the tanks alone which then drove stright into a German ambush and got slaughtered, which they then tried to cover up by saying it was a fierce battle when in fact the messed up, to avoid punishment. 4) Finally the German account also mentioned infantry at the start of its telling and both sides mention trenches which implys infantry was there, otherwise what are the trenching doing there, and at 19:19 that the target was a dot, now yes its at long range but a Tigers not a small tank, plus German doctrine at the time was to use Anti-Tank guns to deal with enemy tanks, which the infantry would have had access to and those guns could very easily rip a T-34 apart, so maybe they were actually fighting Anti-Tank guns with a Tiger tank Platoon of five tanks that was also around.
hey man really been enjoying the yarnhub uploads alot! even older videos ive seen before too,i think another one you'd is called ''ace general'' which is exactly what it sounds like
also lol indeed never let yourself be fooled by tankie speak,the amount of smug revisionism that has been going on with ''soviet troops were not performing human waves trust me bro'' is hilarious at times.
22:29 This is why the german army was meant to record their kills as a unit so it wasn't X tank got this number of kills and Y tank got this number of kill it was the unit as a whole got this number of kills, which is far more accurate and easy to record, but propaganda gonna propaganda. As for me while it is true that a Tiger typically got on average of 30 kills before going down, i just don't think the German account makes much sense for these reasons 1) We have records of a Tigers being hit by multiple tanks (In one case one Tiger got hit 12 times by a bunch of Shermans) and while the tank wasn't penetrated it was knocked out as the shockwaves broke the electrics other key parts and that was on a newer upgraded Tiger then this model. 2) The ammo, i'm not sure even if we believe the story that the High Explosive shells were knocking out the T-34's, that the Tiger had the ammo to fire that many shells at this time, the 88mm shells aren't small shells they take up a lot of space even for a Tiger. 3) The repaired suspension on the tank, why would you drive over an embankment with a bodged repair when you have a perfectly good shooting posistion to fire from, it makes no tactical sense you have a good posistion stay in it, it isn't logical either if that bodge broke in an unneeded action then you could have lost the tank. 4) The HE shells, yes the armour on the T-34 was built badly, but even with the 88 i'm not sure the HE shells could get through the armour, immobilise the T-34, either getting the tracks or through the shockwaves, sure but cause them to "brew up" i'm not convinced. 5) Where was the rest of this guys unit, i could buy his unit moved on without him for a number of reasons, but wouldn't the Russians have run into those tanks before they reached this guy's tank. 6) The SS wouldn't want the Luftwaffe to get credit, because Himmler (SS head) and Goering (Luftwaffe head) hated each other and the two branches were in competition because Nazi's gonna Nazi. 7) Given what happened with Whittman this would certianly be in character for the SS to make artifical "tank aces".
Subtitles…. Sry not trying to be annoying. And if they both pd their stats….. i just dont want to believe it. Lol, Russia probably said there wasnt that many tanks there and the Germans say they are ninjas in response. Aka i call bs. I can believe a great battle of 1v5 or around there. But 50?
I wonder if the guys in other tanks were salty that he got all the credit!
22:29 I feel the Soviet story has a number of holes in it to:
1) The way its discribed it sounds like half the German army was shooting at these tanks, while i think their was more then one Tiger/tank shooting on the German side i don't think it was any more then a tank Platoon which i think is five for the German's.
This could be a way for the tank commanders to explain the failure of the attack, it looks far better if they say "We had a wall of fire and half the German army facing us" then "Yeah we got beat back by five tanks", which given this is Soviet Russia and a Gulag or pistol to back of head could be a result for failure, esspecially if they made a dogs breakfast of the attack, i could easily see that happening and it wouldn't be the first or last time the Soviets did this, made a battle much more fierce then is actually was to explain failures of command.
2) Also the Soviet account mentions 32 T-34 tanks and 21 T-70 tanks, this set up seems a little off to me, the T-70's were light tanks used mainly for recon and scouting armed with a 45mm gun and given one is recording as being knocked out, i'm a little curious why they are in the middle of the attack, yes they were also used for infantry support but the infantry got left behind, i understand keeping the tank strengh together but the T-70's 45mm is useless for fighting tanks so having them there is actually pointless.
3) And to reinforce an earlier point at the start the infantry and artillary support were either left behind or did not arrive at all, which in addition to the company and battalion commanders having no maps and the orders are basically drive that way and find the enemy with your face it kind of feels the Soviets didn't plan this attack very well and they might have infact got their tank and infantry elements seperated leaving the tanks alone which then drove stright into a German ambush and got slaughtered, which they then tried to cover up by saying it was a fierce battle when in fact the messed up, to avoid punishment.
4) Finally the German account also mentioned infantry at the start of its telling and both sides mention trenches which implys infantry was there, otherwise what are the trenching doing there, and at 19:19 that the target was a dot, now yes its at long range but a Tigers not a small tank, plus German doctrine at the time was to use Anti-Tank guns to deal with enemy tanks, which the infantry would have had access to and those guns could very easily rip a T-34 apart, so maybe they were actually fighting Anti-Tank guns with a Tiger tank Platoon of five tanks that was also around.
hey man really been enjoying the yarnhub uploads alot! even older videos ive seen before too,i think another one you'd is called ''ace general'' which is exactly what it sounds like
Make Tanks Great Again! 😁
also lol indeed never let yourself be fooled by tankie speak,the amount of smug revisionism that has been going on with ''soviet troops were not performing human waves trust me bro'' is hilarious at times.
22:29 This is why the german army was meant to record their kills as a unit so it wasn't X tank got this number of kills and Y tank got this number of kill it was the unit as a whole got this number of kills, which is far more accurate and easy to record, but propaganda gonna propaganda.
As for me while it is true that a Tiger typically got on average of 30 kills before going down, i just don't think the German account makes much sense for these reasons
1) We have records of a Tigers being hit by multiple tanks (In one case one Tiger got hit 12 times by a bunch of Shermans) and while the tank wasn't penetrated it was knocked out as the shockwaves broke the electrics other key parts and that was on a newer upgraded Tiger then this model.
2) The ammo, i'm not sure even if we believe the story that the High Explosive shells were knocking out the T-34's, that the Tiger had the ammo to fire that many shells at this time, the 88mm shells aren't small shells they take up a lot of space even for a Tiger.
3) The repaired suspension on the tank, why would you drive over an embankment with a bodged repair when you have a perfectly good shooting posistion to fire from, it makes no tactical sense you have a good posistion stay in it, it isn't logical either if that bodge broke in an unneeded action then you could have lost the tank.
4) The HE shells, yes the armour on the T-34 was built badly, but even with the 88 i'm not sure the HE shells could get through the armour, immobilise the T-34, either getting the tracks or through the shockwaves, sure but cause them to "brew up" i'm not convinced.
5) Where was the rest of this guys unit, i could buy his unit moved on without him for a number of reasons, but wouldn't the Russians have run into those tanks before they reached this guy's tank.
6) The SS wouldn't want the Luftwaffe to get credit, because Himmler (SS head) and Goering (Luftwaffe head) hated each other and the two branches were in competition because Nazi's gonna Nazi.
7) Given what happened with Whittman this would certianly be in character for the SS to make artifical "tank aces".
Subtitles…. Sry not trying to be annoying.
And if they both pd their stats….. i just dont want to believe it. Lol, Russia probably said there wasnt that many tanks there and the Germans say they are ninjas in response. Aka i call bs. I can believe a great battle of 1v5 or around there. But 50?